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Goodbye. What's up, London? Wow! That was so loud! Thanks, guys. Wonderful. I kind of like this sex lighting.
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I don't know about you. This is definitely some under-eye lighting. Well, it's haunting.
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It's ghoulish. That's what we're all about. Yeah. How are you guys? Is everything good?
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We're so excited to be back here. This is where we were last time, minus the U in our name on the marquee.
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Right. Which we miss a lot. Changes have been made. Calls have been made. Yous have been removed.
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We did probably the most rock and roll thing we've ever done tonight, which is drive up in one of those vans and take a left through our own line to drive in.
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Yeah. It was pretty rad. It was very cool. It was either that or it was just people that had been kind of kicked off the sidewalk
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and we're forced to go down that way and we're not interested in one way at all.
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Could have been that. It could have been. But I chose to see it as a kind of Rolling Stone situation.
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Thanks for being here. I already said that. So this is the second to last show of our UK and Ireland tour.
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Yes. We know now those are two different things. About two days in, my deodorant just decided to quit.
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Me? So I went to the TK Maxx and got the good shit. I'm sorry. I don't understand that I'm from America.
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Where we call it TJ Maxx. That's the stupidest fucking, like, boot and trunk I'm fine with.
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TJ Maxx and TK Maxx. Come on. Someone on one side of the Atlantic or the other. Pick a letter.
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Pick a different thing. Pick like ten different letters. What happened to TK Maxx?
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I bought some shapewear because I forgot that. Yeah. And it's this weird kind of where it's like the boobs are cut out.
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Neat. Because they don't want to flatten your boobs. They're just like, we know you just want to flatten this part and not this part.
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So I kind of look like I'm a cop wearing a holster or something. It's pretty badass.
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that's dirty do you think that cut out boobs are going to make you perform differently
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kind of like Bull Durham where when he's wearing women's underwear he's a good pitcher
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well they're like let's not let's not flatten these out because this is what she's got
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this is all she's got to work with cut them on out cut them on out what about your dress
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my dress oh it just has some pockets that's not a big deal It's not a big deal. Jesus, for one second I was like, that microphone's going to drop out of your pocket.
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I know, I thought so too. You're going to have to pay this theater $10,000 sterling.
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I have to show you a photo. Okay. So we're staying at this hotel that it's really old.
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It used to be like a school and it used to also be an insane asylum. So it's definitely fucking haunted.
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Like for sure. It's called the Broadmoor Arms Hotel. Definitely haunted. And Vince and I went out for a walk last night, got home kind of late.
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And like the hallways are really small and it's really dim. And you just keep turning these.
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It's like a maze. And there's urchins in the corner saying, please, sir, please, ma'am some bull.
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Yeah. So I was like, this is definitely haunted. If we're going to see a ghost, it's now.
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And so we turn a corner. I'm first. And this is what I see I was really startled This is terrifying Are you ready I literally turned a corner It like he was waiting for us
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That's the werewolf of London. It was so startling and yet adorable. What's his name? I don't know. He wouldn't tell me. Really? That's not a talking dog.
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Maybe it's Henry. I don't know. He's got his own sweet plaque. He was so happy to see us.
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What if he was like, could you please be quiet? Trying to have my midnight tea. Aww.
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He's a sweet guy. Well, I also have a picture. I heard. Okay. I'm nervous. There's rumors going around.
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So, Georgia likes to sleep on planes and trains and automobiles, as we all know.
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I can take a nap anywhere. It's great. She's into it. She's got eyewear. But I guess on this last flight that we took from Dublin to London.
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Oh, no, I know what it's going to be. She left her eyewear somewhere. Because I turned to see what she was doing.
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I was, like, on the aisle over, and I turned and looked, and this is what I saw.
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Oh. Oh, my God. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Oh, it was London. There's never been a worse photo of me.
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It's really bad. I'm sorry. No, it's okay. I actually texted her and said, I'm going to show a picture of you tonight.
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Do you want me to run it by you first? And then she went, is it bad? And I was like, well, yeah.
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I wouldn't ask. If you were like, oh, cute and hot, I'd be like, guess what? Too bad.
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You're out of this decision-making process. But I was like, is it okay? Vince gave me his beanie.
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and then had to pretend not to see me like that for the whole flight. For all of the Americans in the audience,
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doesn't she look like that one character from Fat Albert? I hate that photo so much.
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Okay, so sorry, so sorry. It's okay. It wasn't a gotcha photo. No, it's a before photo.
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Can you believe? Ooh, we have a Lazy Susan cocktail table tonight. Yes. Now we won't know whose stories are whose.
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You know I hate that. Yep. I'll check both. I'll check both. I stayed in my hotel room all day long.
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Because my hotel room looks like a little apartment from the Victorian times. Except for all the phones and TVs and stuff.
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And I basically sat by the window with like a shawl around my shoulders. riding with a quill.
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It's so exciting. It's so exciting. It is. I'm like, what's outside? We have a TK Maxx.
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Who gives a fuck? I'm staying in here where the fantasy lives. It's so charming.
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It's so nice. Oh, this is my favorite murder of the podcast. That's right. It's a true crime podcast.
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Thank you. This is Karen Kilgaris. This is Georgia Hardstark. Oh, I got you right on the net.
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Sit down time? Should we? Let's do it. Okay. Okay. Oh, we have a bath mat, a nice bath mat.
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We each get our own bath mat to take home. Thank you. That's really nice. Thank you.
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This is too high. Okay, this is very high. I think it goes down a little. Yeah, be careful.
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Is this part game show, part true crime live podcast? Oh, God. Oh, dear. Are you on it?
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It's wobbly. Oh, shit. Oh, oh. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no, yeah. I'm taller than you now, though.
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Yeah, come down here. I can't find the... It's, um... Oh, oh. There we go. Come on down.
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Yeah. This way we won't fall off. Okay. Or if we do, it won't be very far. There we go.
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Just sit naturally. This is like some fucking Beatrix Potter, like Mrs. Wibblewobble's live podcast.
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You got it? I think so. I want to scoot closer to the table, but I refuse to get up.
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No, don't. We don't have time to reset. We have to get into this. Okay, it's time for the speech.
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Yeah, do you want to tell them? Most of you know the speech. At this point, it's kind of, there's really no point,
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No, I'm not interested in true crime. Do it anyway. Okay. I guess it'll be the kind of evening we're going to have.
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So you're the people I'm talking to. We call you the victim. or the drag-alongs.
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we often feel the need to make jokes during it. And that's just our coping mechanism for
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I feel like I went first last time when I did Jack the Ripper and had a nervous breakdown on this very stage.
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I had to watch you silently sweating from across the non-wobbly table all night.
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I didn't think it through that the people who would know best about every fucking minute detail of the Jack the Ripper case would be in this room with us.
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Until I was in paragraph two going, and then, uh-oh. It all felt like the whole thing was going straight into Corrections Corner.
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Like it was going to be a 29-hour Corrections Corner when I got back. I was fucking sweating
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pages seem like they go on forever it was terrible now when we got backstage and we had a meet and greet
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like I truly almost cried you know you're my you're my colonial overlords and I want to please you so badly.
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It's in my blood. It's in my DNA. Please them. Please them. Do the murder right.
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Or as they say in Ireland, do the murder right. So I'm going to do my best tonight
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as I do the Lambeth Poisoner, Dr. Thomas Neal Cream. Cream? Cream. All right. There he is.
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Now, if we had the ability with this technology to zoom in, we'd go in real close on Dr. Thomas Neal Cream's eyes.
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Oh. Because they're a little off. Yeah. Yeah. A little, a little bit in the eyes.
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He has a touch of that part of the jerk when it's... Oh, yeah. Omnigrab. Omnigrab.
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Optigrab. he's got the OptiGrab eye cross and then when you think about that as like this psychotic mad poisoner it such a bad combination Just like would you like to take this pill
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Me or her? Me? Oh, me? Oh, no. Thank you. Well, you know I have a soft spot in my heart for crossed eyes because of my cat.
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So I would take Elvis. I would take any pill he gave me or her. I don't care. I would take it.
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They do call him the Elvis of Poisoners. That's why. That's where that came from.
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Okay, this is young Dr. Neal Cream when he was in his prime. But then here's old Dr. Neal Cream, which is the picture you see more often.
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That's just an older picture. That's just that same picture turned around with some fuzzy stuff.
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They took that other picture and they left it in the sun for two weeks. Now he's older and more intense.
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But when I look at this picture, it reminds me of like the first and original gif, which is my favorite of all, which is the dramatic chipmunk.
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Oh, yeah. Yeah. I dig it. I dig it. Right? Yeah. If only we had the technology to put a top hat on that chipmunk, we would be on our way.
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I see it. Yeah. I love it. Next time. When we go to ITT Technical College and get our degrees in whatever you have to do.
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Okay. The sources I use for this story, Wikipedia, Murderpedia, and one of my favorite websites,
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So check that out. Dr. Thomas Neal Cream, he's, or as I like to call him, Tom Cream.
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The worst name of all time. Born May 27th, 1850 in Glasgow. Yeah. oldest of eight children,
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and then in 1854, the whole family moves to Quebec, Quebec, Canada. Really? Bonjour!
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It was just one girl, and she just happened to be really loud. It's one girl who's an opera singer from Quebec.
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I did that as if I could... Stop intimidating me, London. So, he's very smart, grows up smart, wants to be a doctor.
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He goes to McGill University in Montreal to study medicine. Graduates in 1876 after writing his thesis on chewing gum.
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No. Kind of. Oh. Chloroform. Oh. No one thought to red tag his file after... You know what I want to study? Poisoning people.
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Yeah. In like a creepy way. So that's foreshadowing, if you've ever taken a writing class.
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Hi, I'm Tom Cream, majored in murder. Yeah. Okay. So around the same time in 1876, he starts dating a woman named Flora Brooks.
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She's the daughter of Lyman Brooks. He's the owner of a hotel just outside Quebec City.
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And early in the relationship, she becomes pregnant. Not alone. He has something to do with it.
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He gets her pregnant. I should have written. So medical student Tom Cream tells her, I'm going to give you an abortion.
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In secret, of course, because back then they were illegal. Can you imagine the fucking Dark Ages?
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Anyway, he botches the abortion, almost kills her. So, of course, she has to go to the hospital.
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When her father finds out that she is really sick and something's wrong with her,
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he takes her to the actual, he goes there, finds out that the reason she's sick is because of a botched abortion.
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And then he basically makes Tom Cream marry his daughter at gunpoint. Literally.
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Fuck. Yes. walks him right down to the church. One way to do it. Yeah. So soon after the wedding,
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Tom Cream decides he wants to pursue his medical studies in London. Oh, that's weird.
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You want to get out of the entire country and off the continent? Okay. So he leaves his young Canadian wife, Flora, behind,
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but not before he gives her some pills that she needs to take to get better. So once he's here in London, of course, the party starts.
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Ring comes off. It's Tom Cream party time. Brows that mustache out. He rips his mustache off and runs into Piccadilly Circus, yelling, I love the circus.
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He parties, cheats on Flora constantly, never tells anybody he's married. Meanwhile, back in Canada, Flora's been taking the pills that he prescribed to her.
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and in 1877 she comes down with what her doctors think is bronchitis and then August of that year she dies of consumption
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which is just a generalized way of saying they died young. So I wrote, I can't find any information about Tom Cream going back for the funeral
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so I assume he just sent examples. telegram that said thoughts and prayers. Stop. Stop. Yeah. So in London, party Tom Crane fails
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med school, of course. So they send him up to the Royal Colleges of Physicians and Surgeons
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in Edinburgh, where I guess the failed Londoners go to make their way. Oh man, you gave it to them.
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Boom, boom. Yeah. Who in God's name would start fights with the country of Scotland?
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What am I doing? What am I even saying? Stephen, can you mark this entire section, please?
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He's not here. He's in the ceiling. Okay. So there he gets his license from what I read,
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which definitely could be inaccurate, but one of the articles I read said there he got his license for midwifery.
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So essentially, he was starting to be like an OBGYN, I guess, which is, can you imagine that fucking goofy bastard
00:25:12
popping up between your knees as you're going into labor? Like, what? Take that hat off.
00:25:18
Stop looking at me so intensely. A year later, in 1878, he moves back to Canada, this time London, Ontario.
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So when I was reading the research that Jay sent me, I got to this part, and it was like at 1 o'clock today.
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Oh, no. And I immediately assumed that I'd picked the wrong murder, and this was a London, Ontario murder, not a London, England murder.
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That fucking feeling when you're like, I can't do this. I have to pick another one.
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And I'm texting him, we've got a serious problem. I sent him like six texts in a row and then read one more paragraph.
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And I was like, oh, sorry, we're back in London now. Everything's fine. We're back.
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We're back. Meanwhile, it's like three in the morning. It was literally three in the morning for him.
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Poor guy. He hates me. So, okay. So he's in London, Ontario. He sets up his practice.
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Six months later in May of 1879, one of his patients named Kate Gardner is found dead in a woodshed behind his medical practice.
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and she smells like chloroform. What does chloroform smell like? It's really chloroform-y.
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It smells like every Uber you've gotten into in your whole life, essentially. Oh, I could smell that.
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CK1? Yeah. From the past? Yeah. Whatever CK1 used to be made out of? Or the designer imposter of CK1?
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Debbie Gibson's Electric Youth. So, Dr. Cream is immediately called in for questioning.
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A formal inquest is held. Kate's roommate, Sarah Long, testifies that Kate was pregnant,
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and she went to Dr. Cream to get an abortion, and he testifies, Dr. Cream, yes, that did happen,
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but he claims that he refused to conduct the procedure, and that he says he just treated her for senescence,
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which, of course, I had to Google. Yeah, what is that? It means aging. so he's doing botox
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essentially he basically tells uh testifies at the inquest that it must have been a suicide
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because he didn't do anything um another doctor weighs in saying no one could possibly
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hold chloroform over their own face long enough to kill themselves and also that the scratches on
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her face would indicate there was violence during that time, also not indicative of someone
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trying to kill themselves. I mean, check and check. Yeah. Right? But there's not enough evidence to indict him.
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So Kate's death is ruled a, quote, murder by persons unknown. And, but don't worry, because this trial ruins his reputation in Canada.
00:28:05
Okay. And everyone hates him. Yeah. Well done to your grandparents, your great-grandparents.
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and he does what anyone in that situation who's hated in Canada would do, come on down to America.
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So in August of 1879, he sets up a new practice in Chicago, Illinois. I just, hold on.
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I can't. What do you need? I need to move this. Okay. I'm sorry. Okay. And then I need to just simply, okay.
00:28:36
Okay. And then if you lean on this, it's going to grasp it. Okay. Just grip it. Okay.
00:28:42
Let's drive it like a bus. Double-decker. That's fine. Don't look at it. Okay, I'm better now.
00:28:55
Thank you. No problem. In Chicago, he opens a practice right in what was at the time in Chicago,
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basically their red light district. and he becomes basically secretly an abortionist for the sex workers that are in the area
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and also women who you know it was illegal but of course it got done constantly so most doctors he
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wasn't the only one lots of doctors did it after hours for just cash under the table i feel like
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he should have known that he wasn't very good at it and maybe should have quit i think that's what
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he was into oh okay because you're going to be disappointed when you learn dr neil cream's not a
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He's a very good guy. Oh, man. Prepare yourself, I know. I don't want him to be disappointed.
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But his mustache says he's good. Steven, so. No not here Still not here So many times He comes running in from the back I just keep playing I have him In 1880 police start hearing rumors that Dr Cream is performing abortions
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so they keep an eye on him and his part-time medical assistant, a midwife named Hattie Mack.
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So apparently back then at the time, to get an abortion, you had to have like a contact, and they would set up, you know,
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They would be called midwives sometimes, but they would basically set up the deal where the doctors would meet them at a tenement apartment that no one lived in and perform the abortion in a very unsanitary, disgusting, back alley style abortion.
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And the doctor would just come and do it and leave and there would be no trace of anything.
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So that's what Hattie Mack was helping set up. God bless her soul. but in August of 1880
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police discover the decomposing body of a woman named Marianne Faulkner in this tenement apartment
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and they trace it back to Hattie Mack who's the one who rented it and when she's arrested of course
00:31:04
she's immediately like I did it for Dr. Neal Cream and she tells police Marianne Faulkner
00:31:11
she met her there because she'd brokered the deal and Dr. Cream came to perform the abortion,
00:31:19
he botched it and then left her to die. Of course, when Dr. Cream is tried for the murder of Marian Faulkner,
00:31:28
his defense is that actually Hattie is the one who performed the abortion, that she botched it, and he came in.
00:31:36
He was called to try to save her life, Marian's life. because Hattie is a black woman
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and Dr. Cream is a white doctor the jury takes his word over hers and he walks free due to lack of evidence.
00:31:52
Yeah. So in December of 1880 another patient of Dr. Cream's named Ellen Stack dies
00:32:00
after taking medicine that Dr. Cream designed himself. No. So spoiler alert Dr. Cream is super into strychnine.
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That's his thing. And apparently at a certain point, I'm sure when he was partying in London in his early days,
00:32:21
he started taking a pill that he had put together himself that was strychnine, morphine, and cocaine.
00:32:28
Wow, that'll pack a punch. It explains the eyes. Yeah. So he, I guess, tried to start doing that.
00:32:39
here in Chicago. So basically, Ellen Stack dies after taking this medicine, because this pill that he put together for her had a lethal amount of strychnine in it.
00:32:55
But Dr. Cream accuses the pharmacist, a man named Frank Pyatt, of tampering with the medication.
00:33:01
And Frank Pyatt says that he's innocent. The case is never solved. Everybody, nobody goes to jail.
00:33:07
In April of 1881, another patient of Dr. Cream's named Alice Montgomery dies of strychnine poisoning after she gets an abortion from Dr. Cream.
00:33:17
And that's treated as a murder case, but again, there's no hard evidence, and the case remains unsolved.
00:33:24
So then Dr. Cream starts putting together what he tells people is epilepsy medication.
00:33:30
Oh my God, this guy's a dick. He's not a good doctor. So some people actually swear by it.
00:33:40
One person it works for is an elderly railway worker named Daniel Stott. And Daniel Stott had a wife who was 30 years younger than him and quite beautiful named Julia.
00:33:52
And sometimes he would send Julia to go pick up his medication at old Dr. Cream's office.
00:34:00
And so Daniel notices that Julia is like, hey, need any more medication? or do you want me to go check on your medication at Dr. Cream's office?
00:34:09
That's right. They're having an affair. And then soon they decide it would be better if Daniel Stott wasn't around
00:34:17
to ruin their good time. So Daniel Stott is poisoned with strychnine. He dies on July 14, 1881.
00:34:26
And when this case goes to trial, Julia Stott entirely turns, and she's like, this guy did it all.
00:34:33
It was all his idea. It was his plan. And finally this time, Dr. Neal Cream, Thomas Neal Cream, is found guilty and sentenced to life in prison.
00:34:43
No, no. Guys. Come on. We're ten minutes in. That's not how it's going to go. And you know that.
00:34:53
You know that. He's rich. So his brother bribes the authorities, and he gets out of jail ten years early.
00:35:03
Um, yeah, their father died, I guess, in 1887 and left then a shit ton of money.
00:35:10
So, um, he gets released in July of 1891. He's only served 10 years. So basically they say after Julius Stott turned on him, his, he had always had a very obviously,
00:35:24
um, a very problematic love hate relationship with women. And after that whole debacle, his hatred of women is just off the charts.
00:35:34
An acquaintance of Dr. Cream says this about him. Quote, women were his preoccupation and his talk of them far from agreeable.
00:35:42
He carried pornographic photographs. I'm just like, it's the late 1800s. Hey, you want to see this huge cardboard thing?
00:35:53
It's dirty. She has all her clothes on but she winking at the camera Showing an ankle Do you want to see the hottest ankle I ever seen
00:36:05
He was in the habit of taking pills, which he said were compounded, strychnine, morphia, cocaine,
00:36:11
and of which effect he declared was aphrodisiac. In short, he was a degenerate of filthy habits and practices.
00:36:20
Fun. Yeah, not popular. Okay, so now Dr. Cream is a free man slash murderer, and he decides to take his inheritance and come on back to London, England.
00:36:33
So, right? Mixed feelings. You don't know how to feel about it. It's already happened.
00:36:40
There's nothing you can do. Why boo? He arrives on October 1st, 1891. He finds himself a place to live on Lambeth Palace Road.
00:36:53
So on October 13, 1891, he meets a 19-year-old sex worker named Nellie Donworth.
00:37:01
And witnesses see her walking with a topper, and that's a gentleman wearing a top hat.
00:37:08
And the next day, she's found slumped in her bed, apparently drunk with terrible stomach pains.
00:37:14
But she's able to tell witnesses that a tall, dark, cross-eyed man gave her something to drink.
00:37:21
Aww. Yeah. Quote, twice out of a bottle with white stuff in it. Or it's like, Nellie, after the first time, don't drink.
00:37:33
She dies on the way to the hospital and the cause of her death is found to be strychnine poisoning.
00:37:38
Okay, so this is, later on when this gets in the paper, there's all kinds of hilarious drawings.
00:37:45
So basically, they did drawings. Once he was caught, they did drawings of him handing out pills to gals like they were fucking lining up for it.
00:37:55
Oh, hi. Neat. And also, they actually had, oh, that's after he gets caught. I don't know.
00:38:04
Okay. I thought you winked to the audience and showed him your ankle. Okay. Okay.
00:38:12
Okay, so no one could connect Dr. Cream to Nellie's death, but he can't leave it alone.
00:38:21
So he decides he's going to anonymously write a letter to the coroner to say that he could name the murderer for 1,500 pounds.
00:38:29
I bet it doesn't work. It doesn't. It actually is the thing that gets him caught.
00:38:33
Yeah. He anonymously also writes to a local business owner, a man named W.F.D. Smith, three initials,
00:38:42
It must have been very rich. And he accuses him of the murder, demanding money in exchange for his silence.
00:38:48
So these people who had nothing to do with anything that was going on are, like, opening these letters, like, okay.
00:38:54
Put that in the inbox. So Dr. Cream strikes again on October 20th when a 27-year-old sex worker named Matilda Clover.
00:39:04
There she is. she leaves her room at 7 p.m. to meet a man that introduced himself by the name of Fred.
00:39:15
And at 3 a.m. when she's back in her room after going out with him all night, she wakes up screaming in pain and telling people Fred had given her pills that she now knew were poisoned.
00:39:26
so in spite of this because of her background and because they find alcohol in her system
00:39:35
they decide that she actually has drunk herself to death and she had been prescribed a sedative
00:39:42
from a doctor earlier so that some of that was in her system so they're like basically like
00:39:47
she was all fucked up yeah let's not look into it it's not treated as a murder it's not investigated
00:39:53
So then, of course, once again, Dr. Cream's got to get in there. He's gotten away scot-free, but he needs to write another anonymous letter,
00:40:01
this time to a very well-respected doctor named Dr. William Broadbent. Dr. Cream accuses Dr. Broadbent in the letter of murdering Matilda,
00:40:11
and he demands money for her silence. Dr. Broadbent immediately takes it down to Scotland Yard and is like,
00:40:17
this will probably interest you in some way. so after Matilda's death Dr. Cream takes a vacation back to Canada
00:40:26
so he can buy himself 500 more strychnine pills holy shit and then he comes back to London in the spring of 1892
00:40:34
and basically goes on a poisoning spree on April 2nd of 1892 Dr. Cream meets a young woman named Louise Harvey
00:40:43
now as you can tell by her illustration Louise Harvey is not having it. Not in any way.
00:40:54
Is that a hair hat or a hat hat? I think it's a hat. Okay. Although it could be like real swoopy hair.
00:41:03
It could be. I really relate to Louise Harvey. She had to sit for that picture the whole time like that.
00:41:12
She's just like, are you done yet? It's been seven weeks. Okay, Dr. Cream offers Louise some pills that he tells her will, quote, put the blush back in her cheeks.
00:41:25
But she senses that something is off with this dramatic chipmunk in the top hat.
00:41:30
So instead of taking these, she's just like, I don't need to take these pills. He keeps bringing it up.
00:41:37
So when he's not looking, she acts like she took them and really she just throws them in the Thames, which is my favorite.
00:41:45
If you ever drinking at a bar and you have a drunk friend who keeps insisting you do shots do what Adrian Kavanaugh does and just pretend you drew the shot but just throw it over your shoulder Just throw it behind you Make sure there no one behind you Or make sure there a broke drunk who wants to squat behind you like ah tequila
00:42:11
She ditches those pills into the river, which I fucking love her for. And basically goes on her way.
00:42:21
So on April 11th, 1892, two more women, 21-year-old Alice Marsh and 18-year-old Emma Shrivel, they're both sex workers that he meets when he's out.
00:42:34
He laces both their beers with strychnine pills. And they live in the same boarding house.
00:42:40
And so that night when they're home, they both, it's the same thing. They wake up screaming in pain in the middle of the night.
00:42:46
And they both die days later. So at this point, the police are like, we think there might be a serial killer on the loose.
00:42:55
And it was Jack, the whole Jack the Ripper thing had only happened four years before.
00:42:59
So they're like, it's happening to us again. So this time, the newspapers nicknamed the mysterious killer the Lambeth Poisoner, which was that picture I showed you.
00:43:11
So they questioned both of the doctors that those anonymous letters got sent to.
00:43:16
and of course they're both cleared of any suspicion and then they take the letters
00:43:22
because they're like, who wrote these letters? Those are very suspicious especially since the second letter
00:43:28
refers to Matilda's death as a murder even though the coroner decided that she died of drinking
00:43:34
her cause of death was due to drinking so in May I said that perfectly So in May of 1892, Dr. Cream happens to befriend an ex-New York City detective named John Haynes, who's living in London.
00:43:56
He is following the Lambeth Poisoner murders really closely because that's what he used to do for a living.
00:44:03
And he and Dr. Cream start discussing it one night over dinner. and the doctor tells Haynes that he can take him on a tour of the city
00:44:12
and show him where all of these women lived and where it all happened. He's an idiot.
00:44:17
Right? He can't keep his fucking crazy mouth shut. And while he gives this tour and talks about the details,
00:44:27
like really specifically, of what happened to these women, he includes Matilda Clover and Louise Harvey in the stories.
00:44:34
so um the uh John Haynes is like all right this is kind of suspicious so he goes over to Scotland
00:44:44
Yard and tells his best friend Inspector Patrick McIntyre about the whole evening and he said
00:44:51
quote he knew the places the times the whole commotion even their conversations of course he
00:44:57
said he was merely conjecturing but I watched his expression when he spoke and well I know this
00:45:03
sounds dotty, but well, I swear he was there. Like he'd known those poor girls intimately.
00:45:10
So Inspector McIntyre is like, all right, let's take a look at this guy. And then they,
00:45:16
they start following him. They realize that he constantly frequents sex workers. He's kind of
00:45:22
in the mix with them all the time. And then they contact the U S authorities and find out about
00:45:29
Cream's 1881 conviction for murder by poisoning. Oh, that little thing. Right. So they have enough evidence to arrest him.
00:45:38
So on July 13th, 1892, Thomas Nail Cream is charged with the murder of Matilda Clover.
00:45:44
His trial begins on October 17th, and the star witness is our girl Louise Harvey.
00:45:50
Yeah. Yeah. That's right. same look on her face as she sits in the box testifying that a man in a top hat tried to make
00:46:00
her take pills and when the prosecution asks if that man is in the courtroom that day Louise Harvey
00:46:05
points at Dr. Cream and says there he sits sir big as life I could not do the accent just four
00:46:12
days later on October 21st 1892 10 after 10 minutes of jury deliberation guilty as fuck they're like
00:46:21
Do we have to leave the room, or can we just say it now? Just have us all say it out loud.
00:46:26
Dr. Thomas Neal Cream is found guilty. So he's sentenced to hang. Sure. Take a moment.
00:46:33
He's sentenced to hang on November 15, 1892. And the story goes that he's standing there with the noose around his neck on the gallows
00:46:43
and the bag over his head, and his last words were, I am Jack, and then they pull the lever,
00:46:50
and he goes down mid-sentence. No. Right. Easy, Inspector McIntyre. Easy. Some believe this was him admitting to being Jack the Ripper,
00:47:09
and that actually birthed some theories that he was so rich he had to double go to jail for him.
00:47:15
Because he was in jail in 1888. There's no way it could have been him. But they were like, but he could have paid. So who would get paid to go to fucking jail?
00:47:25
No, I'll sock it away. And then in the bank, it'll make interest. Yeah. Ten years. I'll get out. I will have made five thousand dollars.
00:47:37
But others say since this was a private execution, there was a hood over his head.
00:47:42
There's no way anyone overheard what he was saying from there. And that basically that whole theory was a way to, it was made up to sell newspapers.
00:47:52
But either way, Dr. Thomas Neal Cream was the Lambeth Poisoner. And that is the chilling story of Dr. Thomas.
00:48:00
Thomas Neal Cream. Great job. Wow. I never heard of that before. Really? Shit. Right?
00:48:16
What a dick. I mean, not cool. Not cool at all. Phew, I'm glad you were able to do that.
00:48:22
Me too. Instead of having to change it mid for London, Ontario. When I saw the words London, Ontario, I almost killed everyone around me.
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everything here is haunted, including this theater probably. So, Loch Ness Monster?
00:51:16
No. This is the story of the Enfield Poltergeist. Oh. It's here tonight. Oh my God, do you see this?
00:51:36
It's one of the most famous supernatural cases in history. Oh yeah. Hadn't heard of it.
00:51:41
Hi. I'm great at everything. And it's known for inspiring the 2016 movie The Conjuring 2.
00:51:46
First showing, 11 a.m. showing at the theater. Really? Yes. Did you know about this?
00:51:52
I'm all about The Conjuring, the entire franchise. So I got information from Wikipedia.
00:52:00
There's an article in People by Jodi Guglielmi. Sorry. You forgot to do yours. Yes, I fucking did.
00:52:07
Okay. Shit. Steven, can we get... Let's get a little room tone. Steven, you have to stick this in at the top of mine.
00:52:24
Great. Sorry, sorry, sorry. We got it. Oh, it's okay. I got info from Wikipedia.
00:52:29
An article in People by Jodi Guglianmi. People Magazine? Uh-huh. An article from a website called History vs. Hollywood.
00:52:41
The PSI Encyclopedia, or Psy Encyclopedia, the Dark Histories podcast. And also, as I was getting ready tonight and showering and dying my hair,
00:52:52
I listened to the episode of Lost Podcast on the left. Yeah. It was a laugh. Those boys are doing good.
00:53:02
They really are. It's really nice. So, let me tell you about this story. Peggy Hodgson, there you go.
00:53:10
She's a 47-year-old divorcee. She's a single mom, and she lives with her four children in Enfield.
00:53:15
It's a quiet... It's like 15 minutes, I mean, 15 miles from here, but it's about three hours.
00:53:23
Really? Probably, because, oh my God, the traffic here. Traffic's crazy. And we're from Los Angeles.
00:53:29
We're known for that. We know our traffic. We do. So they live at 284 Green Street.
00:53:36
She's known for being a quiet and strong woman. She works really hard to keep her family afloat.
00:53:42
It's hard financial times. She's just been divorced, and her husband's, like, seeing a new woman, and she's hot, I guess.
00:53:49
So the oldest kid is named Margaret. She's 13. Then there Janet who 12 She lively and extroverted John is 11 They don explain why he got sent away to boarding school but he just kind of not in the story They like doing that though
00:54:05
Sending away kids to boarding school? It's not like America where you have to be
00:54:08
really bad to go to boarding school. Sometimes you just go. It's like, do you like little jackets?
00:54:12
Do you want to wear a little jacket and shorts all the time? Oh, then we're going to send you away.
00:54:18
I just, I know this is so silly, but I just think of haunted castles when I think of boarding school.
00:54:23
That's all I can picture, which is great. And then there's little Billy, who's seven.
00:54:28
Here's the family. That's yours. Oh, there it is. There's his sample case, everybody.
00:54:35
There might be another one. I think there is another one. Oh, wait, sorry. Sorry, there's another one after this.
00:54:45
Do it, do it. It's just that they drew him. Oh, he's so cross-eyed in that. Go to the next one.
00:54:51
they drew him cross-eyed I'm so sorry I don't care sometimes we have to turn our pictures in
00:55:04
before we're done writing our murder so you just go like yeah this order seems fine
00:55:10
and then as I was writing it I was just like oh all these newspaper articles are coming before
00:55:16
the murders are taking place guys this is a really hard job Guys. Oh, here's another one.
00:55:24
There he is admitting to being Jack the Ripper. He's whispering it right into that guy's ear.
00:55:30
No, that's the hood that blocks his mouth and makes that whole thing a lie. Right.
00:55:36
Okay, sorry. My story is officially over. So this is them. That one in the corner looking sullen is Jenny.
00:55:44
She's the one that this kind of revolves around for the most part. so that's them.
00:55:50
The Hodgson family. What year is it? Sorry. This is 1777. Nope. This is 1977. America has just declared independence.
00:56:07
It's very difficult to be a divorcee with the colonies having broken off. But they have photography.
00:56:14
It's crazy. Actually, the way that picture is taken, they look like a really awesome band.
00:56:18
Yeah, I don't know why. it's crooked. Yeah. It looks like more haunted that way, maybe? They're like,
00:56:23
ooh. Their new single You're Haunting Me is out this weekend. Yeah, he definitely looks like
00:56:29
he was in a Britpop band later. One, two, three, four. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
00:56:34
Okay. All right. Stop it. Okay, get serious about this. Guys. The first time anything strange
00:56:40
is noticed is on the night of August 31st, 1977. Got it. Around 9.30 p.m., Peggy the mom,
00:56:48
She hears a shuffling sound coming from John and Janet's room, and she's like, God damn it, those fucking kids, probably.
00:56:55
I need to go shut them up. But the night before, the children had complained that their beds were shaking up and down,
00:57:01
and I'm sure she just blew them off, as most adults blow children off. Especially in the 70s, where you're like...
00:57:12
Oh, you guys are being gross. Oh, no. Oh my god. Do we have like a bus full of 7th graders in here?
00:57:25
Is that what you guys say? Blew someone off? Oh! I wish everyone else could see the front row. It's a bunch of adults going like this.
00:57:37
I thought you guys loved sex. This is the old... Should I just say it? Oh, I don't know what you're going to say.
00:57:49
This is the thing where in our country, it's no big deal to say fanny. Yeah. We wear fanny packs.
00:57:57
Or at least I do sometimes. We all do. Okay. I mean, guys. So what is. Get serious.
00:58:04
Okay. This is about ghosts. Please have respect for ghosts. So she ignored their behavior?
00:58:14
She ignores their behavior, which adults like to do to children. ignore behavior of children.
00:58:19
Oh, now I get it. Especially in the 70s. Yes. Oh, now I get what all the cringing was about.
00:58:25
That was bad. I don't know what's worse. When they start booing and you don't know what they're booing
00:58:30
or they start laughing at you. And you don't know what they're laughing about. Yeah, it's a really surreal experience.
00:58:36
Don't wish it upon anyone. So Peggy goes into the room and Janet is complaining about the chair
00:58:44
and it's making noise. So Peggy takes the chair out of the room, but when she goes back to the kids' room to turn the light out,
00:58:51
the shuffling sound starts again. The sound that she said the chair was making. It keeps happening.
00:58:56
And Peggy later describes the sound as if someone was walking across the room wearing slippers, so like a shuffling noise.
00:59:03
I know. They're being haunted by a lazy person. Peggy turns the light back on, and the sound stops.
00:59:12
It happens again, and then this is when the knocking starts. there's three knocks followed by a heavy oak chest that's on the wall it's um it starts moving
00:59:24
across the room towards the door as if like pushed by an invisible force she sees this and
00:59:29
peggy's like a normal woman she's not like a you know i don't know like my mom like a you know like a bit of a hysteric right yeah she's not like that she's one of those low
00:59:41
key people. Yeah, exactly. I saw her sweater. I know. Peggy pushes the chest back to against the
00:59:48
wall and once again, it slides back out of the room as if trying to like block the doorway and
00:59:52
like lock the kids in the room It super creepy She tries to push it back again and it won move So she freaks out grabs the kids They go over to the neighbor house which I think is what most people would do right
01:00:05
Yes. The Nottinghams. The Nottinghams quickly dismiss their story, but they say, okay, we'll come over and listen to odd noises.
01:00:12
They enter the home, and they all start hearing the knocking sound. And it's coming from all over the house, and I guess the noise is like, you know, when it's like us doing it,
01:00:21
It's just coming from here, obviously, but it sounds like it's coming from the whole house.
01:00:26
It's almost like the knocks are following them around the house. They don't know what to do, so they just call the police.
01:00:32
Come arrest these ghosts, please. And the police constables arrive at around 1 a.m.
01:00:39
So they tell the police about the haunting. I'm sure the police are like, oh, these alcoholics or whatever.
01:00:45
minutes later PC Carolyn heaps and her co-worker they start hearing tapping coming from the walls
01:00:52
and they check the walls the attics the pipes but there's nothing to explain these weird noises
01:00:58
when they go into the kitchen to investigate the refrigerator pipes thinking maybe that's the problem
01:01:04
Carolyn watches with the Hodgson's as a chair in the living room wobbles slightly
01:01:08
from side to side and then slides across the floor about three to four feet before stopping
01:01:13
A fucking police person sees this. Like that? So did you see Coronation Street last night?
01:01:23
I feel like that's like, and she later signs an affidavit saying that this is exactly what she saw
01:01:28
and she's not fucking around and she's not an alcoholic. Whatever. Over the next few days, the Hodgson's and the Nottingham's witnessed Legos and marbles flying across the room.
01:01:39
Standard. Standard ghosting. one of the Nottingham's picks up a marble after it lands
01:01:45
and it's burning hot. Ew. I know, that's so ghosty. On September 4th, Mrs. Nottingham calls the Daily Mirror
01:01:53
because the police are like, that's super weird and scary and we totally saw it.
01:01:57
Not our problem, see you later. Right. So these families are like trying to get someone
01:02:01
to take them seriously and help them. Demons are not in our jurisdiction, I'm sorry.
01:02:06
I'm getting the fuck out of here. Yeah. So they call the Daily Mirror just to be like,
01:02:09
someone come over here and you guys love it. so they're hoping to get some help through the press so a journalist and photographer come to
01:02:18
the house and the next the next day they see the legos flying around the room and it even hits the
01:02:23
photographer in the head and gives him a bruise is that fucked up yes or is it funny it's funny
01:02:29
well just like you want some proof it's just like what kind of asshole ghost is this yeah and
01:02:36
they're all standing there and like they're all it's a bunch of people who they're coming from
01:02:40
nowhere. It's like you would have seen if the kid were like secretly sliding in. It's not happening. And so they send another
01:02:48
reporter, a senior reporter and photographer to do a follow-up visit because they're like, there's a
01:02:52
fucking story here. And the senior reporter hears the knocking. It's all like legit people who hear these crazy things. And they contact the
01:03:00
society for psychological research on behalf of the family. So the society is from Kensington, and it's one of the oldest paranormal investigative bodies in the world.
01:03:15
Ooh. Yeah. They're founded in London in 1882 by a group of scientists, philosophers, and other
01:03:20
academics. I don't know. It's the first... Nerds. It's the first scientific organization ever to
01:03:28
examine claims of psychic and paranormal phenomena, and it remains today as one of the most legitimate
01:03:36
research bodies that investigate supernatural activity. So in 1977, two society members,
01:03:43
Maurice Gross, he's played by Simon McBurney in Conjuring, and Guy Lyon Playfair, played
01:03:51
by Tom from Succession, a.k.a. Matthew McFadden, a.k.a. Mr. Darcy. Mr. Darcy's in The Conjuring.
01:04:00
Yeah. They're like, we're going to figure this out. We're like, we're the people, I
01:04:06
I don't know why they have these hats on, but they're like ghost hats. Ghost hats.
01:04:09
We're going to figure this out. So objects continue to fly and move around for weeks,
01:04:15
but by October there's like furniture and cutlery and household objects that isn't nailed down start to disrupt various rooms of the house.
01:04:24
So it just keeps happening. And one night the investigators clear all the objects that can be moved out of Janet's room,
01:04:31
and they're like, we're going to have a test and see what happens. They get all the furniture from her room, and they report that sometime after, they hear a tremendous vibrating noise coming from the now empty room.
01:04:43
Don't. Guys. Like someone was drilling a hole. You can have that one. they go back into the room that had nothing and no one in it and they uh find that the victorian
01:05:07
fire grate that weighs like 60 pounds had been torn from the wall so like not something a little
01:05:12
kid could do um and most of the haunting is is like around jenny the the daughter who's 12 and
01:05:18
i guess that's kind of a normal thing for prepubescent or you know little girls going
01:05:23
through puberty to kind of get that energy going. Yeah. A lot of drama. A lot of drama.
01:05:29
Seriously. Yeah. Um, and I blame one direction. Okay. Let's see a photo. Oh, of Harry Styles.
01:05:36
Oh, that's not the home. Looks super creepy and haunted. Oh, that's her supposedly levitating.
01:05:46
No. Right. Who the fuck is that guy? I don't know. I was going to ask you I don have my glasses on It looks like a fat Steve McQueen from here Do you know who that poster is Starsky and Hutch
01:06:06
Starsky and Hutch. No. All right. Someone got it right, but I don't know who. Okay.
01:06:14
Do you want me to go back? You don't think that's her? No, no, no. I'm looking at the posters.
01:06:19
Pay attention to this really creepy story. I'm so easily distracted. Okay. And the pipes that supply the fireplace had been ripped in half.
01:06:29
So clearly this little 12-year-old girl hadn't done that, probably. Okay. So Maurice Gross and Playfair are convinced at this point that the haunting is legitimate,
01:06:39
but many members of society aren't so quick to believe it. They think the girls are playing tricks and messing around.
01:06:46
And at school, Janet is bullied because of the stuff and called Ghost Girl. So I don't know.
01:06:51
I would love that nickname. Oh, my God. So I feel like if you're being made fun of, you wouldn't keep doing this.
01:06:57
You know what I mean? Yes. By November, Maurice Gross notes that the knocking sounds around the house seem intelligent.
01:07:03
So he's like, let's ask it some fucking questions. He starts out with simple questions and requests the disturbance to knock once for no and twice for yes.
01:07:14
When he asks if the ghost is dead, they reply with 53 knocks. What? That's terrifying.
01:07:21
What is that? Is that a super no? What is that? It's just the creepiest thing I've ever heard.
01:07:26
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. Oh my God, I would scream and run. Okay. As November passes, Janet's behavior becomes more and more erratic,
01:07:37
and at times she's very unsettled. It's almost like she's possessed. Burrow says she seemed to be taken over.
01:07:44
As part of the investigation, cameras are set up in the girl's room, and they're remotely operated, and they take bursts of photos every four seconds.
01:07:51
The images documented show several strange things happening in the room. The first is a pillow that appears to twist around in midair, thrown by no one.
01:08:02
Or is it hanging off the bed? I don't know. That looks super creepy, doesn't it?
01:08:08
Yes. What do you think? Can you see it? I mean, I guess it is Starsky and Hutch.
01:08:14
I don't know. Now that I'm looking at it. Well, I mean, that's the problem with stuff like this,
01:08:23
is you think, like, oh, a picture would prove. Yeah. But, yeah, you don't have the right depth here.
01:08:28
Right. So if it is hanging, you would need to be taken from the other side to show that it's hanging in midair.
01:08:35
Well, fuck that photo. And there's also a curtain that appears to twist around no one,
01:08:42
like a curtain hanging on itself, whatever. and the most extreme photos however are the images of Janet
01:08:49
levitating in the air and she later claims she was unaware that she went into trances
01:08:55
until shown the photos like she didn't even know that was happening and this guy Maurice
01:09:01
totally believes it and it's kind of sad their dad is gone he stays with them and takes care of them
01:09:09
and the reason he is a paranormal investigator is because his daughter died in a motorcycle accident
01:09:15
and he thought she contacted him from down the grave. So he got really into it. That makes sense. Yeah.
01:09:21
And so, you know, you have this young girl who thinks that she's being possessed
01:09:25
or that the house is haunted and stuff. And then this guy who is probably really
01:09:29
grieving. And they both believe in it. So maybe, I don't know, if you believe in energy and that.
01:09:35
I do. It makes sense. I mean, it's not like you can believe in energy or not. It's a thing.
01:09:40
but you know I believe in electricity and Starsky and Hutch um okay the intelligence of the disturbance
01:09:54
progresses even further when Janet starts to speak in a gravelly growling and barking sounds
01:09:59
okay this is the part in any of these movies where I'm like now I'm a believer when it's like a 12 year old that's like
01:10:05
oh yeah that's my favorite where I'm like Okay, it's the devil, everybody. What more do you need?
01:10:13
Honestly, when I heard this, I was like, okay, yeah, I believe this. Yeah, it's the creepiest fucking thing I've ever heard.
01:10:21
It sounds like an old gravelly British fellow. It's still British. The ghost is obviously British.
01:10:29
It's not an American ghost. It's just so creepy. If you go home and listen to it, there's no explanation
01:10:37
other than she's an incredible actress, which, I mean, she's like 11 or 12, so. I mean, Meryl Streep was once 11 or 12, so who knows? We can't know.
01:10:47
So it starts to have this low, guttural voice, holds conversation with the investigators for months.
01:10:53
Janet describes the experience like someone standing behind her and putting their hand on her neck, like making her talk.
01:10:59
That's how my mom used to walk me through the grocery store. Okay, what are we going to get today?
01:11:06
Like I was going to like start grabbing things. Yeah, I was actually. You were possessed.
01:11:11
I was possessed by the grocery store. So to eliminate, this is weird, to eliminate the possibility that Janet's faking the voice,
01:11:22
Maurice tapes up her mouth and fills her mouth up with water other times. That's kind of, it's necessary?
01:11:29
I don't know. And she still talks like that. Really? Yeah. It does sound improvised, essentially.
01:11:38
Can you grab that hot marble? We're going to stick it in Janet's mouth and see if it works this time.
01:11:43
There was a lot of stuff, like when there would be noises at night, they'd go to check the kids to make sure they're actually asleep,
01:11:49
and they'd open their eyelids to check. If they were sleeping? Yeah, it's like, well, nothing's going to wake you up like some weird investigator
01:11:57
leaning over your bed trying to pee. Your Tom Wamsgans opening your eyes. So then at one point, the voice says that its name is Bill.
01:12:12
That's not that scary. Well, it's like the ghost who used to live there. Bill. It's me, Bill.
01:12:22
Hey, it's Bill. it turns out that the people who had lived there before the father had died of a hemorrhage
01:12:30
in his favorite chair in the living room and the kicker is his name was Bill Bill
01:12:35
what do you want his name to be? perfectly delivered that's the only time we allow yelling
01:12:49
is when it's perfect Yes. Leave it to the British to do the perfect heckle. So they bring in all this press.
01:12:58
They bring in magicians to try to see if it's fake. I don't know. They bring in magicians because they're bored.
01:13:06
They're like, do some up-close card tricks for us while we sit here in this kitchen wearing headphones.
01:13:12
But they bring in spirit mediums. They bring in legit people who know about this stuff.
01:13:19
and they're not able to debunk any of it. Right, like trickery experts, essentially, yeah.
01:13:24
Especially if it's a little girl tricking all these people. But there is the thing of if you want to believe in something,
01:13:29
it'll, no, I don't believe that. Okay. It turned out she had 12 rabbits under her bed.
01:13:37
The disturbances continue similarly until July 1978 when Janet is admitted to Mowgli Hospital
01:13:45
for extensive psychiatric testing. Two months later, she's given a clean bill of health with no signs that she doesn't have Tourette's or epilepsy or other illnesses that could explain some of the events.
01:13:57
When she returns home, the disturbances seem to calm down. And almost as quickly as they had started, the strange happenings at the Hodgson's home stop completely.
01:14:07
And the incidents at Enfield are among the most closely recorded in any poltergeist type situation.
01:14:13
And all the witnesses, there's over 30 people who have witnessed this stuff. And even people who were walking by outside the house saw Jenny levitating in her room.
01:14:24
Like two people who weren't involved within it said they saw that. Shit. Yeah. And then they're like, you're arrested for being a peeping Tom.
01:14:30
Yeah. One person was called a lollipop woman. And I don't know what that means. Is that a thing?
01:14:38
Is it like the ice cream man? Crossing guard. Crossing guard. I thought she said coffee cart.
01:14:49
Oh, children's coffee. That's charming. Wow, I've never heard about that before.
01:14:54
Oh, because the sign probably looks like a lollipop. Aww. Great job. I'm glad I didn't bother to look it up.
01:15:05
That was a fun discovery for us and our British friends. That's right. And the lollipop woman on the corner.
01:15:12
tape recordings mainly by playfair and gross eventually total over 180 hours and another
01:15:21
thing is that um other other psychic mediums would come in and be like you can make a shit ton of
01:15:25
money off of this but no one made like they were serious they did maurice and peggy were like
01:15:29
not trying to bilk anyone out of money um today over 40 years later the enfield case remains
01:15:35
britain's most famous haunting and though it's had extensive criticism it's never been fully
01:15:40
debunked. And although Janet, so as an adult, Janet admits, did I call her Jenny earlier? Damn it.
01:15:48
Sorry. Does she have your mom's name? She does. You blocked it out? I really did.
01:15:57
Janet! Janet! Well, she admits that two, she says about 2% of it was fake by her and her sister. She was like,
01:16:10
At some point they were kind of egging us on and we were getting into it Oh sure I swear only like 2 of the things like maybe some of the writing that had happened
01:16:21
and maybe some of the voices were a little bit faked, but she won't admit otherwise.
01:16:26
And she says that she and her sister Margaret had played with a Ouija board just before the supernatural activity started.
01:16:33
Your favorite. Leave Ouija boards alone, I'm not fucking kidding. They are a gateway to hell.
01:16:39
Don't mess. A gateway to Bill. You don't want that kind of access to Bill. Can I just tell you that in the Conjuring movie,
01:16:55
the whole thing builds to the reveal of Bill the ghost in his chair. Really? And they make Bill seem like he was this total piece of shit monster
01:17:04
in life that's coming back to do bad things to children. It's so crazy. and I didn't remember that his name was Bill.
01:17:13
I bet you they didn't reveal that part. Yeah, that would have ruined it. Kind of ruined it a little bit.
01:17:17
And the family and direct neighbors believe the thump. They still to this day think it's real.
01:17:22
Those who knew Peggy have no doubts about her personal integrity and don't think she was faking anything.
01:17:28
There's books, TV documentaries, and horror films made because of the bizarre happenings.
01:17:33
In 2016, The Conjuring 2 has a worldwide box office debut of about $320 million.
01:17:40
Twelve of those were mine. Wow. The events had continued for just over a year and are witnessed by over 30 people,
01:17:48
such as neighbors, investigators, technicians, reporters, police officers, lollipop woman.
01:17:58
After Peggy dies, the house is occupied by another mother of four, named Claire.
01:18:02
She never felt comfortable in the house, and she says that she felt a presence watching down on her and her sons
01:18:10
and her sons would wake up in the middle of the night hearing people talking downstairs.
01:18:15
Guests? Ghosts. Ghosts. When she finds out about the house's history she moves the family out two months later.
01:18:26
I would too. And that's the story of the Enfield Poltergeist. Amazing. Yes. This show is...
01:18:38
Yeah, that was great. Is there any more photos? Oh, yeah. Oh, shit. That's awkward.
01:18:46
Sorry, I ruined it with that. Was that the last one? I think so. Okay. This show is lovingly dedicated to Bill.
01:18:55
Please don't haunt us. Do we have time for a hometown? Let's do it. Here's Vince April, everyone.
01:19:04
Look who's here. Look who it is. Vince Averill, everybody. Chore guide. Husband.
01:19:12
Chore guide. Second husband. Not down with the scary shit at all. I didn't want to tell on you, but the reason I never watch it is because Vince doesn't want to watch scary.
01:19:26
No scary shit. What a sad combination this must be for you. Thanks, Vince. Okay, I won't go through the whole speech.
01:19:39
We know you know it. We know you know the rules, but please, please, please, if you can, you have to be from, please be from England.
01:19:49
Americans who have flown over for a nice trip to see us because you couldn't get tickets somewhere else, we love you.
01:19:54
Thank you so much. This isn't your part. God bless you. So if you have a hometown murder that is from this country, and you are also from this country, we would love to hear about it.
01:20:08
Please be sober enough to have your story be cohesive, have a beginning, middle, and end quick, and fun, and not fun.
01:20:18
Also, at the same time, Georgia will choose now. And we've had some really good hometowns as far.
01:20:23
So keep your hand down unless it's awesome. No one raising their hand Okay yeah let do it Go that way This way Okay
01:20:38
There she goes. Where she got up and levitated over to that door. We're like, no!
01:20:44
It's Bill in a wig. I think we scared everyone out of doing hometowns. You're scared?
01:20:52
Everyone else is scared. Yeah, I think. We're just drunk and polite. Right. It's a lovely combination. Will you take the lights down so we don't feel judged? Thank you.
01:21:01
All right. Olivia, everyone. Olivia, nice to meet you. Thanks for being here. This is for you. It's Olivia, everybody.
01:21:14
Olivia. Where are you from? I am from near Cambridge. Did you go to Cambridge? Did I? Heck no.
01:21:28
I went to a polytechnic in Lancashire. Woo! Does that mean you party? Yeah. I did, yeah.
01:21:38
And then I was a police officer, so then I really partied. Really? Shit. This will not be a police story, because I'm not quite sure
01:21:47
on the Official Secrets Act what I'm allowed to share. Okay. So this is a murder from Cambridge.
01:21:55
Okay. So, this is all the way back in, I think it was New Year's Eve 2004. I, at the time, was a forensic science student before it was cool.
01:22:09
She did it first. She did it first. I did it first, absolutely. And we were out.
01:22:15
I was out with my boyfriend at the time. Definitely not together anymore. And having, because it's New Year's Eve, a bit of a shit night, because it always is.
01:22:24
Yes. And across the road from us was a pub that I really wanted to be in, called The Avery in Cambridge.
01:22:32
Or The Hogshead, as I remember it. Thank you. Yeah. Finished the night, had an argument with my boyfriend, ignored him, walked off on my own with his brother's girlfriend.
01:22:49
Because I like to try and do dangerous things like just wander off when I was drunk.
01:22:53
and we walked over to the Mill Road kind of area of Cambridge. Yeah. They love places.
01:23:03
Yeah. They really do. Shall I just list places? Woke up the next day, and it turned out that a girl had gone missing from the Avery pub.
01:23:13
She had gone missing on her way home and had texted her friends saying, Help, I think I'm in a taxi, but I don't think this is a taxi.
01:23:21
Oh, no. This isn't a fun one, by the way. They never are. No. So they ended up doing kind of like reconstructions of where she walked.
01:23:33
So she basically walked up whatever the hell that road is in Cambridge, turned down Parkside, walked past the police station,
01:23:39
but then got in what she thought was a taxi. And when they reconstructed it, she was a twin.
01:23:45
She was a girl called Sally Gleason, or Gleason, Sally Gleason. She was also a forensic science student.
01:23:53
in Cambridge so I didn't wasn't at uni with her but I had that kind of like, oh wow, I literally walked
01:23:59
the same way home and was a forensic science student and was the same age she was a twin and her twin
01:24:05
did the reconstruction which I don't know how she did it her body ended up being found
01:24:11
I think it was near the American Cemetery on Maddingley Road in Cambridge they worked
01:24:18
out in the end who it was and he was a soldier from Water Beach Barracks which is where I grew up.
01:24:24
I used to live in Water Beach Barracks and then my dad left the army and we lived in Water Beach.
01:24:29
He went on the run and they found he eventually was found in Glasgow and he jumped out of the hotel window
01:24:36
and killed himself. Oh my God. So he didn't see justice but he did end up dead. Olivia Wow And it turns out one of my friends got married quite young
01:24:53
and was married to somebody else, somebody in the army, and the murderer, I think he was called David Atkinson,
01:25:00
he's a Lance Corporal, he was friends with her husband and they used to go running together.
01:25:06
Oh my God! So I never met him, but it was just very like, oh, I was a forensic science student,
01:25:10
I walked that same way home, I was an idiot that night and walked off on my own and he was
01:25:16
connected to someone I knew crazy so sorry it's a bit of a bummer no it's what we're here for
01:25:24
Olivia thank you so much thank you great dog thank you strangely beautifully done
01:25:36
she came on her own you guys yes She goes, I just left my phone with a stranger, so we're giving our eye on you.
01:25:46
She took photos with her phone. Great. I looked through your pictures. Oh, my God.
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