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Hi! Hi! Hi, Portland! Oh my God, hi! Hi! Hi Portland, Oregon. How are you? This is, wow.
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I mean, this is quite something. Thanks for coming to the second show. Yeah. We're going to try to get you guys in bed. Get your bedtime.
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Yeah, we're going to get you out of here so quick. It's going to be like fucking in and out.
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You will never know what happened. Zip, zap, zop. That was the first boo we've ever gotten.
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It is not. That is absolutely not the truth whatsoever. That's propaganda that George is trying to spread.
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No one ever hates us. Oh, my God. No one ever disagrees with every single fucking thing that we say.
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Quite barely. Here we are. Yes, here we are in this high school auditorium. We're about to give you a presentation.
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about abstaining from premarital sex. Yeah. Let's run the video. Let's go to the...
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It's just porn. Look how gross that looks. Ew. I mean... Two plumbers? Cheat. That's true.
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Oh, so there was an estate sale today that some murderino sent us, which I'm obsessed with estate sales,
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and it was a retired detective's whole house being sold. Imagine what was in that house.
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I would have flipped through every book. You know what I mean? And then there was one time I went to an estate sale
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and the guy somehow told me, like right before I got there, he was like, yeah, I just sold,
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it was a cop's house and I just sold his like 50 years of crime scene photos to someone.
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I know, and I was like, I died inside? You were like, those were my crime scene photos.
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I was supposed to have them. Right. And so when I went to Powell Books today, yay.
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And I, um. You can't pre-yay. I can't do that? They're going to, yeah. You can't pre-yay them.
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Okay. Okay. You have to let them do it. And I was like, I know my name. Okay. Yeah.
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Let's move on. Yeah. And they have a vintage crime scene photo book and it's fucking disgusting.
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So I totally bought it. Nice. And Vince thinks I'm a creep and horrible. And I was like, do you want to see this book?
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And he was like, no. But I was like, I was going to say Elephantitis of the Nuts.
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It really was, but he didn't want to see it. Weird, right? What crime did the elephantitis of the nuts guy have?
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I mean... What's he involved in? Nothing. It was just like the part of the book that was like,
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we need something lighter, we know, this is like heavy for you. You saw a bunch of knives in people's gums.
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So, to change pace, elephantitis of the nuts in gums. That's a good, like, that's a really good descriptive.
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You know why I thought of how horrible that is? I've been eating a lot of hotel mini bar food lately in this weird, like, I don't want to have to leave.
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It's so cold and wet outside or whatever. And I bit into a kettle chip today that I think went up into my frontal lobe.
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I'm pretty sure. Not positive. Oh, that, yeah. That's a good visual because everyone understands what that feels like.
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It's an inner stabbing. Yeah. It's not cool. Or like a paper cut there with sides.
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But gum, it's a periodontal paper cut. Thank you. Yes. There's more. There's four more hours of this.
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Just light dental riffing. Didn't you know that's what this tour's about? Blossing.
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You got a good shoe on. Do you want to take a quick walk? Oh. Thank you. Yes. It's the second time I've ever worn them.
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Whoops. See? I wore them to my wedding and they still have the glitter Are those your wedding shoes Oh it gone They still have wedding glitter on the back They did and I guess they gone now so that sad
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They're from, yeah, I can't say where they're from. They're very good. Also, Georgia and I, totally unplanned, although it absolutely looks like it,
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both are wearing scallop-necked dresses tonight. Not planned. And when Georgia, so I was in the car,
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Max picked us up to come here tonight. I got picked up first. We went to pick up George and Vince.
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And when she walked out and I saw her dress, I wasn't wearing mine yet. She got in the car and I was like, oh, my God.
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And I almost started crying. Yes. I was like, oh, my God. It was very scary. It was intense.
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I thought you were going to be like, you missed the show. Oh, my God. You completely missed the show.
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It was at 4.30. But instead, I was like, we have the same dress. I was fucking freaking out.
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I was so happy. She handed me a small cup, which was like her lovely friendship gift of bringing me a cappuccino everywhere I go.
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I don't have to ask anymore. It's the greatest. Because once you texted me, I was like, you know, the coffee place, do you want anything?
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And you wrote always and then gave me your order. So now whenever I'm like at a coffee place and I need to order, I don't want to keep asking you that.
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So I search the phone for like whatever tall, whatever the fuck word you use. You go back to April.
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I'll happily reorder every single time I'm the kind of person that I can drink coffee at like 10 o'clock at night
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and I want to because I can't do speed anymore anyway it's the poor man's poor man's speed
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she hands me this cup I immediately start drinking it don't even ask what it is drink it, drink it, drink it, get here
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when we went to walk out for our first show it was as if I had done 17 rails of coke
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I was out of my mind. And then I was like, was that from Stumptown? Because those people,
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I don't know what they're doing, but they're doing something to that coffee. It didn't work on me.
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I had to just fucking chug a sugar-free Red Bull backstage and time it so that when I stepped out here,
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I wasn't wired. Like halfway through, I'm not going to start fucking nodding off and shit.
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Or as you walk out, you're just belching as loud as you possibly can. And I'm like,
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just flying. So yeah, Caffeine gets us through. Caffeine's good. One time, sorry, but it just reminded me of one time at Earwolf Studios,
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which is another podcast not warm. But they have cold brew on tap at that place.
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And so I'd never had cold brew before. So I took my existing venti-sized cup. I went ahead and filled it with some cold brew.
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Oh, let me finish. And sipped it throughout the podcast, whatever it was I was doing.
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And then on my drive home, burst into tears for no reason. Just fucking sobbing.
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And I was like, why am I sad? What's happening to my feelings? It was so fucking weird.
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Isn't that the best when you realize it's not because you're a monster? You're like, coffee.
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Okay, yay. Or like PMS. Okay, that's what it is. Is this a big breakdown? Nope, cold brew.
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It was 16 full ounces of cold brew that I should have never had. Oh my God. That's insane.
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Or I don't know. Whatever ounce. Numbers. This much cold brew. You should only have this much.
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Then you smoke like four cigarettes. But I had this much, and then I was like, I can see the sun.
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And then smoked a pack of cigarettes. Oh, the hotel I'm staying at that I hate that's like fucking kitschy as shit with no function whatsoever.
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No big deal. It's fucking precious, and there's like no hooks for the towels. I don't know.
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What the fuck? Style. Style over substance. It's so stylish. Oh, God. I hate them.
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They don't have, they have like, they hand you like real keys. Like, no, no. And then like, oh my God, I hate that.
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Is it like an old-fashioned skeleton key? No, not that big sheet. But it's pretty, it's close.
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It's close enough. And like a little, a candle on a little candle holder. Good night.
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Exactly, yes. Yeah, they, I was at the bar restaurant, which is thankfully not fucking kitschy.
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and the bartender last night is like, hey, this drink's on me. Can you just go say hi to the hostess on your way out?
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She loves you, but she's too scared to talk to you. I know. And you said no, right?
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No. She was like, absolutely not. I'll pay for this. I'm not here to do your bidding.
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And you think I'm broke? I can't afford my fucking house wine? I can order as much house wine as I want
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and say hi to no one. All shit-faced. Yeah, well, that's good. Fuck you. Give me a bag.
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Hostess. So I did, but it was like... Oh, nice. Good, good, good. Yeah, I kind of get, hi, you know, and then ran away.
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Also, like, in that setup, then you, it's like you have to initiate. Right, I know you want to talk to me.
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Yeah, hey, I heard you, you're in love with me. And she's like, oh, no, the other hostess is off shift at seven.
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I actually think what you're doing is wrong. I'm one of those people. I kind of that kind of happened to me there the other day where I incorrectly thought someone knew who I was
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And then she just said oh no you look like someone who was in here earlier And you're you just finished signing whatever it was in front of you like oh so you don't want this okay
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No, you don't okay. I'm gonna go all right. Well then get murdered. That's the new thing for you
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Never that's wrong. Oh Oh, oh, Stephen's here. Oh, Stephen's here. Is that a few?
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Yes. Hi. Hi. Stephen, come up here. Come up here. You want me to? Okay. We want to show you guys something.
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Stephen Stephen So don use the stairs Look at Stephen A Look at Stephen A. Look at the mustache.
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This is the mustache we've been talking about for so long. Hi. Here, take center stage.
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Really drink it in. We got a huge... Yeah. Hi. Oh, God. I'm so used to being in the back.
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What's that? I'm so used to being in the back. I know. Well, baby, you need to grab that limelight, because it's your time to shine.
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Oh, thank you. It's uncanny. It's uncanny. Voodoo Donuts made a donut of Stephen.
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He already knew. I don't know why I'm presenting it to him. I look really excited.
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I'm just like, yay, I'm a donut. Donuts. I just realized there's jelly inside, and now I need to eat the whole fucking thing.
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It looks like Steven has been bisected like Black Dahlia. Oh, God. Ooh. I don't know if I should.
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Should I eat myself? Yes, you should. Let's have him eat the whole thing right now.
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Ready? Do it. Do it. Do it. Oh, God. We don't pay him enough. He's like, fuck you.
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I forgot that I have a microphone in my hand, and one do it will start a full do it chant.
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That's like probably the most addictive chant of all time is do it. And then Elvis is here.
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No, he's not. What's up, buddy? You walked all the way up here? Oh, now I miss him more.
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Steven, what tonight, what are you going to be handling during the show? Wait, am I supposed to spoil the stuff?
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The audio. People know. People know. Don't describe the pictures or anything. You can talk about it.
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The audio, recording the show. Right. Yes? You like audio? Justify you being here.
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Go ahead. Recording the audio, helping out with... I'm sorry. I'm kidding. We're so glad you're here.
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Thank you. Write a list of everything that you've done today. And then we'll decide.
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Okay. What she said. Don't listen to what they say. No. That's rule number one. Yeah.
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Audio and? Visuals. That's right. Yeah. It should be exciting. There is a reason you guys came here and didn't just listen on your walkman.
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On your ear cast? Yeah. Podcast. Podcast. Steven, do you want a snack on this in your sound booth?
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Yeah, take your half body away. Good. You could actually give it to someone to eat you.
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Give it to someone. If anybody wants to eat Steven, put your hand up. Okay. But it's extra gluten.
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Stephen Remorant Stephen Remorant Oh honey Okay He'll be okay He's good That's who
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When we record the podcast In George's apartment We sit on the couch And Stephen
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That's who we're looking at Sitting cross-legged across from us Like this whole thing
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Taking notes And you know he said something really funny when he takes his pencil and is like...
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And sometimes he just rubs the side of his mustache like the most evil villain of all time.
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Like an evil millennial. I mean, oxymoron. No, I'm kidding. They're pretty good people.
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They're all right. Is that the right word? Yeah. What else? I was going to... There's also a couple other things.
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Oh, I was going to tell... This is the story I told the first show, but when I arrived in Portland,
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I got to I had to get my car and When I got over to the area of the hired car area island to
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Here for Island to There was like a there was a bunch of cars everybody was waiting so there's a bunch of cars waiting and as I walk up
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The guy gets out of his car and goes carrot And I was I immediately got into the car that was first I was just like I'm not fucking riding with the guy
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You tried to steal a fucking Uber. I tried to steal the person that gets you. Don't want to see an Uber driver out of the car.
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No, no, no, no, no. That doesn't. That's unnatural. And it's it's not. It means that he doesn't know what he's supposed to be doing.
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On top of the fact that he screamed my name like I was lost in a grocery store and six years old.
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Oh, we never tell you this. Tell me. Go ahead. When I was little, and right as my mom and I would walk into a grocery store, because I was such a lunatic,
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that until I was probably 12 and had to ask her to stop, as we would walk into the grocery store every time, she'd go like this, so you're me and I'm my mom.
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She'd go, let's see what we're going to get today, and grab me by the neck. That feels awful.
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Let's see what we're about to, and then steer me around the store. Just so you know where I'm coming from.
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I'm going to start doing that to you whenever we're anywhere. It might not work out.
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No, I might get a black eye. It might go badly. My mom, when she'd pick me up, it's like she wanted me to fucking be embarrassed all the time
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and be funny because I hated everything and made fun of so much. Well, that was weird.
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No, you've got to say it. Whenever she'd pick you up anywhere, like in front of the school with all the cool kids watching,
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and like you see her and you make eye contact she'd still go beep beep beep beep beep beep
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it was so embarrassing what a dick um like she knew what she was doing you kind of did have a
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mom can I now one you with my father who was dedicated to humiliating me everywhere I went One time we pulled into a vacation place we used to go to in Calistoga
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It was like just cabins in the hills or whatever, in the mountains. We pulled in one time and there was like a bunch of kids just playing in like the play area.
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And as we drove by, my dad goes, hey, kids, will you be friends with Karen and Laura?
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We were just like, oh, no. Oh, yeah. Oh. There was one time where he used to drive this old white truck, and he drove carpool, so he drove like 19 kids in the front cab of a truck.
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Throw some in the back. Yeah. Right as we pulled into school, because it was like from the 70s, the horn on the truck just got stuck.
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So we pulled into school, horn-a-blazing, as if to say like, we're here, everybody.
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Look at that. And my sister, who was super shy anyway, was like practically crying.
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She's like, Dad, turn it off. And he was laughing so hard. He's like, honey, I can't turn it off.
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You just got to go to school. Parents, it's like, you know they hate you so much.
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Yeah, they hate your guts. You've ruined their life for so long. You've ruined. This is not what they were expecting.
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It's so delicious that they get, they're just like, oh, I get to do back to you.
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Right. What you've been doing to me for 12 years. Right. I kind of forget my like she come on you're embarrassing me and she'd always go
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Or you're drunk mom. I'm not drunk. I'm happy Great way to go did your best late show late show everybody. We're gonna get it a fucking
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We're saying it all tonight Should we sit let's sit down it down. I made a terrible mistake of looking on Twitter in between shows. I shouldn't wear
00:19:56
a dress that bisects me. Seriously. No, let me just say it. It's my show. Wait, what?
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My mom was worried about one thing that I need to sit up straight. Yeah. I looked at
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it too. It's either that or we should... That's not pretty. Why can't I just relax and be who I am?
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I am. Am I pretty now, Mom? I'm already wearing high heels. Am I pretty enough? I mean,
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you're lucky you can't see my fucking Spanx right now. Which I still haven't bought new ones. These are
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Spanx tights by the by. That's a thing? Not to give them... I like these because... They're hip. Don't they look like
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00:24:04
Okay. You guys missed the whole thing. I forgot a tissue. Oh, do you need to run off stage?
00:24:10
There. Okay. Sucked it back in. Georgia's having some Portland allergies, everybody.
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You and your allergies. Okay. Oregon. You guys have a lot of fucking murders. So thank you.
00:24:23
It's the only way. It's like the only city we can do three shows in. because there's just so many to choose from.
00:24:30
Well, and also, can I just say this before we start? You guys have been so fucking fired up about this show from day one.
00:24:39
Thank you. The podcast. Not just the show. Yeah. Yeah, for real. The podcast show.
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Yeah. Also, the reason I know this for a fact is the very first piece of Stay Sexy, Don't Get Murdered.
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You guys love that vandalism. Never forget it. I will never forget it because that's, it kind of gave me that feeling like, uh oh, this
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might be something real. Like, oh, wait, they wrote it on the wall in the bathroom.
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For the first time I saw one in person in the wild yesterday. Oh yeah. We went to dinner, and I went to the bathroom, and I'm peeing, and I look, and I fucking went, oh, my God, which I'm sure the girl in line was like, what the hell?
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It said, stay sexy, I'll get murdered at the Huber's bathroom. What? Oh, my God.
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Thank you. Someone else loves turkey as much as we do at Huber's. That was really awesome.
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Yeah, Portland. Thank you, Portland. Thank you. All right. Oregon. Okay, on February 19th, 1984, 21-year-old Rebecca Darling, which is like the best name,
00:25:58
was working the graveyard shift at an all-night convenience store. A customer reported seeing her working around 3.20 a.m., but 30 minutes later, another shopper
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came in and she's gone. About a month later, Rebecca's body is found concealed in some brush along Little Pudding
00:26:15
River. Is that right? They just found it. There's a river made of pudding here. That's what we've always wanted.
00:26:25
That's what we've always wanted. As long as it's not tapioca. Yeah. As long as it's butterscotch,
00:26:33
we get super specific. Jello or pudding, which would you rather be in? Jello or pudding are my choices?
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Rice pudding can't be a choice? Sure. You don't decide. I'm gonna wipe my nose on the fucking...
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Everything is your Kleenex. The world is your Kleenex, Georgia. You've made it. Oh, my God.
00:27:04
That's so sweet. That's so not rock and roll. I just blew my nose on a tablecloth.
00:27:10
I don't know. I'm a hundred people. The last bit of shame she had was gone that night.
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Gone away that day. You'd think it would be gone when you gave the girl your autograph who didn't ask for it.
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But no. No. No. Turns out, no. No. There was none left. No, no, no, no. Pudding River.
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Back to the pudding. It gets bummed out now. Yeah. Along the little Pudding River, six miles from town, Rebecca's body is found.
00:27:39
She's nude from the waist up, and she's been strangled with a piece of rope, hands bound behind her back.
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A few weeks after she's found, on April 7, 1984, police find an abandoned car and trace it back to 18-year-old co-ed Catherine Redmond,
00:27:56
who was last seen at a campus frat party around 2.15 in the morning. Already bad news.
00:28:01
Four days later, Catherine's nude body is found just four miles from where Rebecca's body had been found.
00:28:07
The cause of her death is traumatic asphyxiation, which is like, isn't it always traumatic?
00:28:13
Not if you choke on a Cheez-It. Oh, that's good. I mean, it just came to me fast.
00:28:20
It was impressive. That's me. That's who I am. Or wait, what was the thing that you got stuck in your teeth from the hotel?
00:28:26
Not if you stroke on a... Oh, a kettle chip? Kettle chip. It fucking jammed right into my gums.
00:28:31
That's traumatic. That hurt me. And she had been sexually assaulted. There's no way to add that.
00:28:38
No, I mean, there's no good way to add that sentence. Witnesses say that they saw a late 1960s Pontiac station wagon in the area where Redmond's abandoned car had been found around the time she disappeared.
00:28:50
And another Salem resident comes forward and reports that her car had been bumped by a similar car a few days earlier.
00:28:59
And that the hulking driver had invited her to leave her car and come check on the damage, which we all know, but they didn't know in the 80s.
00:29:07
Don't fucking do that. So, sorry, you're saying like at an intersection or something, someone bumps her from behind,
00:29:14
and then the humongous man, I'm assuming, that was inside was like, oh, you should see this dent in your bumper.
00:29:19
We're on this quiet road, you know. Come check this. And she was like, well, no.
00:29:24
No, I'm going to speed away. Well, she did say, no, let's go to this gas station down the road.
00:29:30
And he was like, forget it, and took off, which is like a clear sign that he's on the level.
00:29:34
Imagine how scary that is, where you're like instinctually, however, whatever reason made her do that.
00:29:40
She does it and immediately is proven that that guy was a fucking psycho. She made the best decision ever.
00:29:46
Yeah, so she's like, this thing just happened to me with a similar car. This guy was huge and a creep, and then he took off.
00:29:52
So police discover that a man had called a tow truck company to rescue him from a ditch on April 7th the night that Catherine disappeared And it near the place where her car had been found And his car fits the profile and he had been previously convicted of sexual assault
00:30:09
So let's talk about this dick. William Scott Smith is born in 1960. He's 6'3 and 300 pounds.
00:30:19
Not when he's born, but... Who is this? Because I... He spent his first six years in the circus.
00:30:29
And he had been convicted of charges of menacing when he was 18 in Silverton, Oregon.
00:30:36
Oh, wait. They just don't like Silverton. They don't like Silverton at all. All right.
00:30:43
Noted. Got it. I guess our tour there tomorrow is canceled. Then, in 1979, he and another man were accused of secondary sexual assault on a woman, but Smith was acquitted of the charge, but his accomplice goes to jail.
00:30:59
Then he gets convicted of indecent exposure in 81 in Boise, Idaho. Then a year later, Boise, but not Silverton?
00:31:06
I mean, they're fickle, they're fickle. Okay. And a year later, he's questioned from Boise officers in the unsolved murder of a 14-year-old girl named Lisa Chambers.
00:31:18
But I looked it up and someone else got convicted of it, so it wasn't him. Things were getting hot in Idaho.
00:31:25
All right. So it goes back to Salem. He feels more at home there. April 26, 1984, after the evidence against him is crazy, he's arraigned on two counts of first-degree murder in Salem.
00:31:39
But police saw no links between him and five other unsolved homicides that had plagued Salem since 81, which is like, get the fuck out of Salem, dude.
00:31:49
That's a lot. He waives his right to a jury trial, convicted on all counts, and given two consecutive life terms, although he only has to complete a minimum of 40 years before he's considered for parole.
00:32:00
Then in 2007, a cold case is reopened. On July 4th, 1982, in Salem, while delivering pizzas, 18-year-old Sherry Everly vanishes after going on a call to a fake address to deliver pizzas.
00:32:17
I know. That sounded sarcastic, huh? I know. What year was this? This is 84. That hair is so 1984.
00:32:29
Is it? It is. You just pull one comb through the top of that and you are off to school.
00:32:35
Maybe a little bit. Aquanet, Aquanet, you're out the door. Spritz on some sweet honesty and you're on your fucking way.
00:32:46
That's right. That's right, girl. The bottle's all dusty. Your dusty old sweet honesty bottle.
00:32:54
Dust it on. Dusty. So Sherry vanishes, and they later trace the fake call, the fake address, to a Salem motel.
00:33:04
And her car is found with the engine running near the address of the order less than an hour after she left.
00:33:11
So, like, car. Sitting there with the engine running. And three pizzas on the ground near her car.
00:33:16
That must be bad. Yeah. Her body is never found, and the case goes cold for 25 years, aside from, and I thought this was fucking horrible,
00:33:24
a psychic naming a suspect that investigators already had on their list named Daryl.
00:33:29
And he was an acquaintance of Sherry. And he claims that his vision showed Daryl's house
00:33:34
and the detective interviewed him while the psychic was in the car, which seems not up to code.
00:33:43
And that same day, Daryl kills himself. Oh, shit. Which everyone's like, that's an indication of guilt.
00:33:50
and he also had painted his truck a different color a month after she disappeared
00:33:55
and he drove a similar truck that people said was in the area. But guess what? It wasn't him.
00:34:02
In a cold case re-examination, they confront William Scott Smith in prison and he confesses and enters a guilty plea.
00:34:11
Jesus, I know. Can you fucking deal with this fucking face? The beard is distracting too because it's like bald and beard is a strange combination.
00:34:20
or not no offense I mean I don't mean it that way but it's just like just a lot to look at I'm like is this picture upside down what am I looking at
00:34:29
I'm trying to focus what are we looking at okay so that's him dude okay so he he enters a guilty
00:34:38
plea and he they say he has an accomplice named Roger Nosef I couldn't find anything about him
00:34:44
online which is crazy and he says that they were planning to abduct a different female delivery
00:34:48
driver hold her for ransom. But Everly came instead and says, and one of the facts
00:34:54
that never came out publicly is the next day after the abduction, there was a ransom
00:34:58
call to the pizza place. What fucking janky shit is that? You ransom rich people,
00:35:07
not fucking dominoes. It's literally dominoes. Yeah, who's the psychic now, motherfuckers?
00:35:18
I didn't see this. That was amazing. It's a pretty popular pizza place, though. Yeah.
00:35:26
Fucking, what the fuck? But they killed her anyways. He says that they dumped her body near the Pudding River,
00:35:33
but they searched the area. Nothing turned up. But it was 25 years later, and there had been a bunch of flooding,
00:35:38
and her body's never been found. And a third life sentence is added to the two. He already has.
00:35:45
that, but some people, some, oh, okay. Some people say, oh, some people don't think
00:35:52
he actually committed it and he just said he did so he could get better privileges in prison Because some people sorry is that the way it works I think sometimes And also what are better privileges Top ramen instead of fucking Safeway ramen
00:36:09
Instead of toilet wine, you get sink wine. Drink up. I mean, I've never been in prison, so I wouldn't know.
00:36:17
I have. It's hilarious. Laugh riot, would you call it? Oh, that'd be funny if there was a laugh riot instead of a riot riot in prison.
00:36:28
That'd be funny. I mean, we've got to shoot that for YouTube. That Red Bull kicking in right about now?
00:36:39
It's so kicking in. I can see the sun. Okay, so then in 2012, while serving his time, another cold case is reopened.
00:36:49
February 12th, 1981, 20-year-old Terry Cox Monroe is out dancing with friends at the Oregon Museum Tavern, where we're having an after party.
00:36:59
I know. Top feather. Yeah, is that a different, what's the difference there? That's 81, so is that.
00:37:07
Yeah, that's way earlier when, in the late 70s, it was full feather. My cousins, Lisa and Cheryl, had like these huge feathers.
00:37:14
The feather just went all the way to the back of your head. It was super intense.
00:37:18
and then a little bit later on it was just like feather those bangs. So she goes outside to get some fresh air.
00:37:25
Don't ever do that. Don't get fresh air. But this is when they smoked indoors too,
00:37:30
so it's really fucking disgusting in there. That's true. And they gave out asbestos all the time.
00:37:35
Free asbestos everywhere. Can I get an asbestos and soda? Two asbestoses and then a Virginia Slim.
00:37:43
No, that was good. She doesn't show up for work the next day and her parents report her missing,
00:37:49
and her clothes and identification were found near the Williamette River, which is behind the...
00:37:54
No, you're wrong. No. Oh, now I know how to pronounce it. I mean, the word William, I get it.
00:38:04
I see it now. I see it now. Just go past it. No? Why would you say it again? And don't ever say what.
00:38:13
Are you high? Jesus Christ. Four more times? Is the coffee working for you? No, I need it, actually.
00:38:25
What if someone threw a coffee cup on stage? Just like coffee. But it lands perfectly, like one of those YouTube videos?
00:38:34
No trace of her body is found until March 15, 1981, about a mile down the river.
00:38:40
And an autopsy concludes that she died of homicidal asphyxiation. which is like they just want to call it something other than asphyxiation.
00:38:48
They love to specify. No suspects arrested. The case goes cold. And then they reopen the case in January 2012.
00:38:55
And Detective Jim Miller notices that Monroe was murdered the same way as Smith's other three victims.
00:39:02
He uses his signature method of operation. He briefly stalks his victim before kidnapping, beating, raping, and strangling them to death with a piece of rope,
00:39:09
a piece of clothing, or some other device. and after killing them he places his victims
00:39:14
in a body of water usually a river stream so he had done that too so William Scott Smith
00:39:20
53 now pleads guilty to her murder saying that he strangled Monroe outside the tavern
00:39:24
he's sentenced to life in prison which will be his fourth life sentence he's still fucking in prison
00:39:30
and the man that police suspect to be his accomplice Roger Nosef died in 2004 and they think he killed a lot more people
00:39:37
so it was this beard guy yeah Oh, good. Okay. It was all him. Well, that's good.
00:39:42
Then he's in jail. Oh, yeah. Steven. Steven, do you think you could grow a beard like that?
00:39:50
When I lived in New Zealand, I didn't shave for seven months. And did it look like that?
00:39:54
Yeah, it was all neck beard. It was bad. Ew. Never again. What? Never again. No, it's required for the job now.
00:40:02
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00:40:12
Yeah. Steven has to. And George has blown her nose on four times. I'm trying not to be wasteful.
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interesting. I just looked into if there were ever any murders at Crater Lake. Oh, you don't know what Crater Lake is?
00:44:02
Okay, I'll tell you. It's right behind you. Oh, this is my lake, Crater Lake. Oh, my God.
00:44:10
I'm going to send you that postcard later. That's some straight up fucking prehistoric
00:44:14
Like, bullshit. Yeah, girl, it is. Like moon rocks flew into the... Is it true? Wendy, yes.
00:44:21
Oh, my God. Do you want to know? Yeah, always. Crater Lake. Because it's crater, I guess, the mix.
00:44:26
Oh, yeah, you did kind of... That was a context clue that you put together for yourself.
00:44:32
Crater Lake, located in Klamath County, within the Cascade Range, is almost 20 miles wide and almost 2,000 feet deep,
00:44:44
which makes it the deepest lake in America. You did it. You did it. You did it. Thank you.
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At one point it was rumored to be bottomless, but... That's not a thing. It's not true, and we all know how hurtful rumors can be.
00:45:06
You do have a big, beautiful bottom, Crater Lake. You look good in it. It is a caldera lake.
00:45:16
It sits atop dormant volcano Mount Mazama, which last erupted in 5700 BC. 5700. It is the clearest, cleanest, deepest body of water in the United States.
00:45:36
It's filled with rainwater, and it is so pristine, and wavelengths of sunlight are able to penetrate so deep.
00:45:44
that the colors reflected back to our retinas are blues and purples of an unreal intensity.
00:45:51
Oh. Yeah, baby. Ayahuasca. To the Klamath, it was a sight too sacred for human eyes,
00:46:03
and they believed just looking at the lake was to risk death and lasting sorrow.
00:46:09
Jeez. Which you'd think those would be flipped, because once you're dead, the sorrow wouldn't really come into play.
00:46:14
That sounds like a big bummer. A miner named John Hillman in 1853 was the first white man to see that lake.
00:46:23
And just before he reached the crater's rim, he saw a snow-white deer with pink eyes.
00:46:29
Pink eye? With a very bad eye infection. Very bad. And a little neosporin on both eyes so it looked kind of glossy.
00:46:39
It looked like he was crying and it made John sad. Oh, wait. I lost my spot. a snow white deer with pink eyes
00:46:47
and vampire fangs. Really? No, I'm just... That part's not real. That's cool. Wouldn't that be amazing, though?
00:46:54
Yeah. Because you're like, oh my God, that's a big... Attack deer. Just had a dead bunny in its jaws.
00:47:01
It has a dead other deer in its jaws. Oh, not white deer, yeah. It's a vampire cannibal deer.
00:47:06
Oh my God. Can you focus, please? There is a stump of a hemlock tree that floats in Crater Lake called The Old Man.
00:47:17
What? Let's hear it for The Old Man. What the fuck? Look at it. Okay. Look at it.
00:47:23
Over 30 feet long, this hemlock stump floats perfectly upright, and it is carbon dated to be over 435 years old.
00:47:33
What the shit? This is the best book report I've ever given. We are in a school, so.
00:47:40
I know. I know. I'm feeling it. All right, that's the old man. Oh, so there was a submarine team that was in the lake.
00:47:51
They saw the old man. This was like sometime in the 60s. And they tied it up to their...
00:48:00
stuff because they wanted to look at it to their equipment because they wanted to investigate it
00:48:06
and right when they tied it up a huge storm kicked up on the lake white caps started on the lake and
00:48:14
it didn't end until they untied it and everything went right back down so the old man controls the
00:48:21
weather man and white white man's always gonna be like let's see about this and like take it apart
00:48:26
because they need to know instead of just like looking at it and they're like, that's beautiful.
00:48:29
Okay, moving on. Yeah. Well, but it is like very unusual that it floats straight up.
00:48:34
Because any normal log floats like this. Yeah. This guy's like this. It's not a thing.
00:48:38
I'm doing this. Civics. I got to do this. Okay. All right. Also, several people have claimed
00:48:46
to see Bigfoot near Crater Lake. Really? Yeah. They've spotted him. Two park rangers
00:48:54
said they saw him and then they smelled him and then he threw a pine cone at them.
00:49:01
I hate to say it again, but ayahuasca. It's a fucking fucked up drug. That was just a third park ranger.
00:49:09
Actually, some people claim that they accidentally hit Bigfoot with their car at Crater Lake,
00:49:17
but before they could show anybody, a government team came in and swept the body away.
00:49:23
Yeah, but definitely happened. What I think is funny is that that is also the beginning scene of Harry and the Hendersons.
00:49:32
That's like if Harry and the Hendersons were like a sad government movie. Science fiction.
00:49:38
That's true. Not a fun comedy. They have lake monsters, UFOs, mysterious campfires.
00:49:47
That's my favorite one. Mysterious campfire. If it's a campfire, then it's just a fire.
00:49:53
A mysterious fire. Explain to me what you think campfires are. Oh, am I wrong? Do I not know? I don't know.
00:49:59
A campfire is a fire. A camp. A camp. Then you walk up to it and it's still there when you get there.
00:50:04
Well, these ones aren't there. Oh, I get it. You walk up and there's nothing there.
00:50:07
This is not just like a mysterious campfire. It's just like, there's a campfire. No, there isn't.
00:50:12
It's just an orange jacket on the ground. Crazy shit's happening up there is what we're saying.
00:50:17
Crazy fucking shit. But mostly, Crater Lake has a lot of death. And so I'm just going to read you a couple of my favorites.
00:50:27
September 24th, 1994, an Aeropostale AS350 helicopter from Seattle heading to Las Vegas
00:50:34
crashes and sinks between Wizard Island and the Lodge. Don't you want to go to Wizard Island so fucking bad?
00:50:41
What's on Wizard Island? Fucking wizards? Several dozen park visitors watched the helicopter as it skimmed over the smooth surface
00:50:50
and then suddenly plunged into the water. The speculation is that the pilot became confused by the near-perfect,
00:50:58
nearer image of the sky that was in the surface of the lake and thought he was going up.
00:51:07
Oh, no. Yeah. Can you imagine that? You're just all fishing on the side of Crater Lake.
00:51:11
Like, doo-doo-doo. What a great vacation with my... Oh, my God. Oh, no. Straight to the bottom.
00:51:18
Do we stay or do we go home? Is it rude if we, like, is it disrespectful if we, like, finish our vacation?
00:51:23
Everybody just look away. Yeah. Look away and don't look back. I took three days off work.
00:51:27
Should I? I mean, we spent a lot of money. Yeah, like, you know, poured some beer out for those guys at the mysterious campfire that night.
00:51:37
That night, 25 campfires lit along the... All right. July 27, 1990, this one's fucked up.
00:51:46
Uh-uh. We've been having a great time so far. That's going to stop right now. At 3.20 p.m., Della Marie Zielinski of Meade, Washington,
00:51:57
falls 700 feet to her death at Discovery Point. The only eyewitnesses were her three children, Jeremy, 16, John, 7, and Brittany, 5.
00:52:09
Oh, man. And a former... No, I just... The way you look down. And a former ranger named Bruce Black who saw the fall from Wizard Island.
00:52:20
Oh, we know Bruce Black's on Wizard Island. Okay. I didn't put that together. So here's what happened.
00:52:25
The family had walked out to a narrow, rocky, spine-like ridge to get a better view of Wizard Island.
00:52:31
Because they were as fascinated as I am about Wizard Island. But here's the thing.
00:52:37
The mother loses her footing and she's holding the five-year-old. as she falls she fucking throws the five-year-old to the teenager and then goes oh my that's just
00:52:51
horrifying it is not cool oh no but also kind of fucking amazing and like what an incredible
00:53:01
insane mother move yeah i just like when i read that i was like that's so fucking amazing
00:53:07
Yeah, silver lining. Okay, on August 29th, 1984, patrol ranger Alice Sybecker, this one's fucking crazy,
00:53:18
attempts to stop a slightly speeding 1982 Volvo on the south entrance road. But the driver refuses to stop, so Alice gives chase.
00:53:29
And as her patrol car comes up from behind, the Volvo suddenly explodes, runs off the road, flies through the air, and hits an embankment.
00:53:37
What in the fuck? Yes. Explodes. Yes, it just fucking explodes. No. So the driver was named Amdras Merzijukas,
00:53:49
and he was a German national, and he's of course instantly killed. His body remained in the wrecked car for four hours while the Jackson County Sheriff Bomb Squad and the FBI checked the car over for hidden explosives But it turned out the explosion was caused by a hand grenade that Mersjukis was holding at the time of the explosion
00:54:12
And they know this because his left hand and face were blown. Oh, dude. So as they search the car, they find a knife, a pistol, which are both stored in the driver's door,
00:54:27
and a rifle that's in the trunk. And they also find several sets of ID, all false, two California license plates.
00:54:35
The Volvo had been stolen from a rental company in San Diego. And this man was wanted in Texas for drug smuggling charges, and he had served time in federal prison.
00:54:44
he planned to either use the grenade against Alice, the park ranger, and it accidentally dropped it, which is like,
00:54:53
then it's all like snowy road. I gotta get it. Shit. It's a bowl. Everything's all Swedish and safe.
00:55:01
Oh, God. This final line is kind of maybe one of my favorites ever. Alice then left the park service and returned to her former career of violin making.
00:55:13
Oh, sorry, Alice. I didn't realize you were the most fascinating person in the world.
00:55:23
Yeah. I mean, she's back there in her violin shop like, I've seen a lot of heavy shit.
00:55:29
So just fucking let me pull this cat gut across this wood. Oh, my God, honey. Okay.
00:55:38
November 27, 1960 19-year-old son of Ralph and Catherine Payton who owned the Crater Lake Lodge
00:55:47
their son is found stabbed to death in his car in Forest Park Larry Payton had been stabbed 23 times
00:55:55
and the interior of the car showed the evidence of a terrific struggle the cop said
00:56:00
missing and presumed kidnapped or slain was Payton's girlfriend Beverly Ann Allen, also 19 from Washington State
00:56:06
They had met the previous summer while they both worked at Crater Lake Lodge, and Miss Allen had been visiting the Paytons during the Thanksgiving weekend.
00:56:16
So they had Thanksgiving dinner with the parents, and then they had left for an evening drive.
00:56:20
To park. Evening drive. Following dinner. So Beverly Ann Allen's body was discovered two months later,
00:56:32
lying in roadside brush alongside a highway west of Portland. Oh, my God. And this then said the murders were eventually solved
00:56:42
10 or so years later, but not conclusively. So that means it's not solved. Right.
00:56:49
The actual definition of... Who am I to criticize when I've just simply cut and pasted?
00:56:55
Who did it? That sounds like a Zodiac killer type of thing, don't it? But he didn't take the victims with him, right?
00:57:00
I don't think he would go places with the victims, but he was one of those people that liked to have a man there.
00:57:06
Ooh, that's an interesting theory. Early fucking Zodiac. Yeah, that's right. I'm just like randomly pulling that out of my ass.
00:57:14
I like it, though. Okay, I'm going to go with it. That's good. Okay, this one is the most famous.
00:57:22
You may have heard of it already. In July 1952, Albert Jones of Concord, California, and Charles Culhane of Detroit, Michigan, were executives with the United Motor Service, which is a subsidiary of General Motors.
00:57:34
And they were found murdered on South Road 3.5 miles north of the south boundary.
00:57:40
They had driven, they were there on vacation with their wives. They had gone in a car separate and driven ahead, agreeing to meet at their summer cabin at Union Creek.
00:57:49
and when the wives came up upon the car they found the car which was a green 1951 Pontiac
00:57:56
parked on the turnout overlooking Annie Creek Canyon the right passenger side door was standing
00:58:01
open but they couldn't find their husbands so they called the rangers and the men's bodies were found
00:58:08
a short time later a quarter mile off the road in an open stand of ponderosa pine both men were
00:58:13
found with their shoes removed, powder burns on the side of their heads, indicating an execution
00:58:19
style murder. They had been gagged with their own ties, but they were not bound. And their stockings
00:58:24
were clean, which indicated that they didn't walk anywhere. They just took their shoes off
00:58:29
and then were murdered there. In the excitement of the discovery of the bodies, tons of people
00:58:36
walked all over the crime scene, destroying much of the evidence. And since the entrance rangers
00:58:41
during these years recorded the license number of every car that entered the park,
00:58:45
the FBI began a massive investigation, taking years to trace each tag number, and some people were even tracked to Europe.
00:58:53
Several local suspects were identified, but lacking hard evidence, no arrests were ever made.
00:58:58
And even though $300 was taken from their wallets and their watches were taken, the men's luggage was left in the car, so they don't really think it was for robbery purposes.
00:59:07
and in a letter that he wrote to his daughter a month before he was murdered, Jones said to her, things are worse than they have ever been.
00:59:19
And she thinks, his daughter believes, because at the time in working for GM, they were having trouble with the union.
00:59:26
So her theory is that it was a mob hit murder for business reasons. There's also some locals who had their own theory,
00:59:36
But they were It made this go from like Six pages to 42 pages Like just the Just talking
00:59:44
And there were just like Conversations back and forth With the cops And it was like
00:59:47
I don't know And then he got this thing So then we're just like And if they listen to me
00:59:51
I told the FBI But they never came back There like a lot of that shit You guys don have accents like that But that was the The feel of the article was like an old guy standing outside of a gas station With theories
01:00:05
With a lot of theories. Like jeans and jeans and theories. Yeah. You know, I told him.
01:00:11
I saw the guy. I told him. They didn't listen to me. All right. This one I kind of love so much in the sickest way.
01:00:22
And this is from July 4th, 1947. A park visitor named Mr. Cornelius suddenly stops hiking,
01:00:31
calmly hands his wife his wallet, sits down on a snowshoot near the old lake trail,
01:00:37
and without a word, slides over the edge of the snowbank and falls to the water's edge.
01:00:48
He didn't die. He only broke his leg. Oh, fuck. So then he climbs into the lake and drowns himself.
01:00:58
No. With everybody watching. His wife is just like, what the fuck? Why do I need your wallet, motherfucker?
01:01:07
Oh, my God. His wife later claimed that he had been in some sort of daze or trance during the incident.
01:01:14
How fucking creepy is that? Creepy. Can you hold my water while I go over here? While I go for the...
01:01:21
While I go fucking sledding. to death. So in that, I kind of like I like the idea that say it's
01:01:27
the albino deer that came back and hypnotized him and was like, come over the edge with me. Come over
01:01:33
Mr. Cornelius. Oh no. Hand your wife. Your wife. You won't need it where we're going.
01:01:39
Abigail, I must follow the vampire deer. Oh, it only broke your leg. Fucked up. It only broke his leg.
01:01:50
the worst of all suicide situations. All right. But the last one is from someone from here in Portland,
01:02:00
Tara, who sent us this as a hometown murder. Ooh. Yeah. Love it. Love it, love it.
01:02:07
Hi, George and Karen. They all start like that. It's weird. They all know. I started listening to your awesome podcast this week
01:02:14
and I'm absolutely sucked in. No escape. I wanted to tell you guys about my hometown owner because it's now in our family mystery. It is now our own family mystery
01:02:25
that I think is so creepy, and I just wanted to share it with you guys. So in the summer of 2016,
01:02:29
my family went up to Crater Lake, Oregon to our cabin for a few weeks. My brother brought along
01:02:34
a friend of his, and they brought their motorbikes so they could go to the bluff, which is just a
01:02:39
forest where a lot of tourists go hiking. So the first week we were there, my brother and his friend
01:02:44
went to the bluff on their bikes and noticed a station wagon with Washington plates parked behind
01:02:49
some trees with a sun visor up, which I think she means one of those sun trees. Yeah.
01:02:55
I was confused when I first read it. I was like, what? The car's wearing a visor?
01:02:59
What's happening? Is it one of the ones that says, if you can see this side, call 911?
01:03:04
Remember those from like this? Oh, yeah. But you put it up even though you're at Target and you're like, oh, shit, I didn't realize
01:03:10
it was on that side. Yeah. Nobody called 911. And everyone's like, am I supposed to call 911 or is that weird?
01:03:15
I mean, I'll assume other people called 911 or is that a bad? Did they ride 911 all that time when they were parked back in the 70s?
01:03:22
Constant calling of 911. My brother thought nothing of it, thinking it was just some hikers.
01:03:27
However, they went back the next week, and the car was still there. So my brother decided to go check it out and see what was up.
01:03:34
He got closer to the car and noticed a massive swarm of flies around the car. No.
01:03:43
They're out in nature. a silhouette of a person in the passenger seat and blood splatter on the windshield.
01:03:50
Needless to say, my brother and his friend booked it the fuck out of there. He told my dad about the whole thing, and they called the county police
01:03:58
and waited in the parking lot for the detectives to show up. It took the detectives two fucking hours to finally show up,
01:04:04
and when they finished asking them questions, my dad asked one of the detectives,
01:04:08
so does this happen very often? And the detective just shrugged his shoulders and said, it's Klamath County.
01:04:14
Oh no And he had Gene and Gene And theories It was the same guy It was the same guy
01:04:25
With the theories There's just one guy who lives there You know, I don't know, I told him
01:04:31
Apparently there had already been four other murder suicides That year alone Holy fuck
01:04:37
There was never anything in the news about it Or who the person was or how he died
01:04:41
So my mom and I like to conspire all the time Which I think she means theorize. Or sun visor.
01:04:48
I mean, maybe they're conspiring to do it themselves. Anyway, thank you very much.
01:04:54
Tara B. So that's Crater Lake. Please be careful. Don't go to the edge. No. And take pictures.
01:05:03
You're not above science. I don't care what the white deer with the fangs and pink eye tells you.
01:05:08
Yeah, don't listen. Don't listen to him. Don't listen to magical deer. No. Hey, that was great.
01:05:13
Hey, good job. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Should we, thank you. That's okay.
01:05:20
We crave your applause. Can we, should we do a hometown? I think we should do a hometown.
01:05:26
Yeah. Yeah. You want to pick someone? Can we do, can we have the lights up just a tiny bit if that's a thing you'd be able to do?
01:05:37
Karen's good at this. I'm going to let her. I'm a psychic. So, right there. Yeah.
01:05:54
Come on down What girl Oh hi Oh hi Hi Hi Annalisa What your name Annalisa Annalisa
01:06:05
Come here. Look, you get your mic. Come here. Center stage, center stage. I'm really nervous.
01:06:08
Okay. I know. It's super nerve-wracking. It's really bright. I know, right? Yeah.
01:06:13
You can't see anything. Just stare straight into it, and it kind of dulls out your retina as you get used to it.
01:06:19
Okay. Hi. Here we go. Hi. Hi. Hi. Where are you from? Salem. I grew up in Salem, but I live in Hidrover.
01:06:25
They hate Salem. I know. Well, we got a lot of murderers. Oh, okay. Got it. So what's your, is Salem here?
01:06:33
So this is pretty crazy. It's in, well, it's in Turner. If anyone's from Turner.
01:06:37
They love Turner. It's pretty crazy. So I actually sent you guys an email about it.
01:06:41
So if you read it later, just ignore it. We'll delete it immediately. Just delete it.
01:06:44
We'll never read it. Delete it. Yeah. So, okay. So this is a crazy story and I know about it because my cousin found the body.
01:06:51
Oh, shit. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes, cousin connection is a hot connection. Yep, definitely.
01:06:58
So my cousin was duck hunting with his friends. How old? Like 16, I think. Fucking lucky.
01:07:04
Yeah. That he found a body or that he was duck hunting? Both. He's clearly very privileged in every way.
01:07:14
Definitely. So he was duck hunting with his friend, and they saw in the distance kind of by a creek this jacket,
01:07:19
this like camo jacket, and they're like, oh, hey, someone with their jacket here,
01:07:22
went up to it there was a rotting body inside oh like always a possibility yeah so they called the
01:07:29
police police came out and then all this stuff came out and the news later that the body was
01:07:34
actually this fugitive who had like kidnapped girls and done all these terrible things so this
01:07:39
dude's name was paul winkle black and he had it's a bad name bad guy yeah and he had um he had like
01:07:48
done some terrible things like molested kids and had been in jail and had gotten out and violated
01:07:52
his parole and so they were going to go arrest him and he disappeared so he was on the lam and
01:07:56
then this is crazy he was in portland there was a snoop dog concert yeah yeah pretty insane so
01:08:04
there's a snoop dog concert and these two girls are leaving they've been drinking a little they're
01:08:07
underage they get to their car and he comes up to them and says i'm an undercover police car we're
01:08:12
doing raids you're going to get arrested for drunk driving unless i can drive you out of here
01:08:16
uh okay that's never true the girls were like but then by some stupid chance a police car drove by
01:08:22
and he's like those are my guys and they're like oh okay okay so they all get in it's terrible like
01:08:27
see and they like wave at him i know oh no bad happy accident wait i'm i don't know why but i'm
01:08:32
confused right okay so they were they were hesitant they didn't want to do it yes but then a police
01:08:37
car happened to drive by at that moment yes and the dude paul winklebeck was like see they're out
01:08:41
we're out patrolling these are my guys okay sorry yeah yeah i thought it was the opposite shit okay
01:08:48
yeah so they all get in and then he like kind of tricks them into giving him his phone they're
01:08:52
like hey let's take photos he's like well let me see your phone blah blah so he gets the phones
01:08:55
and then it becomes clear this is a kidnapping he brings out a giant knife and he like makes them
01:09:00
take some pills and stuff he's like really creepy and so they're on the freeway they're on i-5
01:09:04
they're headed south and sorry i'm gonna stop you this is the best story i've ever heard in my life
01:09:09
I'm not kidding. It's the best. This is insane. That's a good ending. So they're heading south.
01:09:17
And then at some point, off of Turner, they get on the highway toward Detroit. He gets out, and he tries to pull one out.
01:09:27
And so then the other one comes and starts fighting him. And then he starts focusing on her.
01:09:31
And then the other one wants to find him too. But her friend says, run, run, run.
01:09:35
So she just starts booking it through a field. And she sees a farmhouse in the distance.
01:09:39
She gets to the farmhouse, screams, knocks on the door, my friend's being attacked.
01:09:43
They go back. The other friend's still there, alive. Yes. Both made it. Okay. They fought.
01:09:49
They fought him off. And he's gone. He's gone. The car's gone. So they call the cops, but they don't find him.
01:09:55
And they don't find him for five years until my cousin finds him. Isn't that crazy?
01:10:00
That's amazing. And they don't know how he died. They just think he died of, like, exposure and drowning, but they don't know how.
01:10:06
So it's kind of a mystery like if he tried it with someone else and something happened.
01:10:10
Where has he been for that year? I don't know. They thought he was like on America's Most Wanted and all this stuff.
01:10:15
He was living in that forest. And he was dead. He died. Well, they think that he died that same time.
01:10:20
Oh, that's how old his body was? Yeah. They found the same outfit that he was wearing.
01:10:24
Dude. Yeah. What if those two girls went back and they're like, you should not have fucked with us.
01:10:29
Yeah, maybe they've been drinking him. I hope they did. They're like, we slept off those pills, and we fucking jammed out to Snoop Dogg, and now you're getting two to the dome.
01:10:42
I have chills from that story. That is the best! Yeah, oh my god. Thanks! Where is your cousin now?
01:10:54
He's still at home. I think he's 18 now, so he's just hanging out at home in Salem.
01:10:58
Can we call him? You'd be so surprised I was telling this story. Did he have like, I just want to hear about that sensation of actually finding a dead body.
01:11:12
Was he like super bummed out? Did he have to go to therapy? No, I really was like super chill about it.
01:11:16
He was just like, oh yeah, you know, it was cool, whatever. They like looked in the jacket.
01:11:21
They touched it? Yeah, he found his wallet. You're not allowed to touch it. I know.
01:11:25
Ew! Wait, what's his name? Nathaniel. You can't get on the stage. That's not cool at all.
01:11:32
Oh, that's my sister. She's part of it. She's like, no, the story. She's not a weirdo.
01:11:37
Okay, get over there. Get over there. This is my sister. Jesus fucking Christ. My teeth.
01:11:42
Okay, but seriously, nobody else. Get on this date. Yeah, sorry. The sneaking thing was very upsetting.
01:11:48
Well, there was a drunk girl. I thought it must have been her. I was like, a drunk girl came.
01:11:52
Okay, you should have come the first time. That was awful. This is a murder show.
01:11:58
This is a worst case scenario. Yeah. You guys looked over behind my shoulder and looked and you had horror in your face.
01:12:03
I was like, what the fuck? Also, you're wearing kind of an army jacket. Yeah. I mean.
01:12:10
Yeah. Yeah. I apologize. What's happening? Tell us. Okay. You might know more. So as Aunt Lisa was saying this, I was dying because I'm like, tell her this part.
01:12:19
Tell her this part. Okay. This better be good. And then this lovely lady said, just go up there.
01:12:26
Just go up there. Mom. Okay, so this may be kind of a build-up. It may not be that good.
01:12:35
After all, this better be really good. It may not be that good. Alisa did a fantastic job of telling the story.
01:12:42
She really did. No, the part that I love the most, though, is the way that when Nathaniel tells the story,
01:12:46
the way he describes what you were saying, like, I don't know what it's like to find a dead body.
01:12:50
He said, he walks over to you and he sees this coat and he's like, huh, what's the coat doing here?
01:12:56
and he picks it up and then he goes, oh my gosh, there's an arm inside. Because he feels, and he's kind of like, Nathaniel's, he's a little morbid.
01:13:06
He's a little morbid. What did he do for his high school internship? Like he oh taxidermy Yes Yes So he fine He was like 16 Nathaniel get up here Where are you motherfucker I wish Oh I wish you were here
01:13:22
He's great. So yeah, he like said this over our Christmas. We have like this annual family Christmas dinner.
01:13:28
And over the Christmas dinner, he was describing what the body felt like. Like the actual like description of like, it was, it wasn't like hard like you would think it was.
01:13:38
It was there's some give to it. So basically, you snuck on stage because you had the information I was definitively asking for.
01:13:48
Yes, okay. Exactly. That's fair. I'm sorry I was rough with you, but I mean, I was definitely scared.
01:13:54
That's what I look like when I'm scared. Karen, I trust you fucking took care of that.
01:14:00
I was impressed. Thank you. I was pretty sure I could take her. I figured she was just shit-faced.
01:14:09
and I was raised by first responders so that we go toward the danger. I was like, Karen, I'm the girl
01:14:15
who we were like, run, and I'm like, okay. I'll go get help. I'll go get help. Nathaniel.
01:14:21
Wait, sorry, what was your name again? Rebecca. Rebecca. Rebecca, you should come visit us.
01:14:26
Okay now you have to get off the stage Thank you guys Rebecca and Annalisa and everybody Thank you Oh my God
01:14:37
You nailed it. Annalisa nailed that hometown. Very well done. Thank you, guys. So awesome.
01:14:46
Thank you so much. That was a real fucking roller coaster of emotions. This is why you pick the hometowns, man.
01:14:52
You always fucking. I got a sick sense about them. I just have to say We really really love you guys
01:15:02
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01:15:07
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