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MFM Minisode 157

January 13, 2020 /

This episode of My Favorite Murder covers urban legends, hometown stories, and true crime tales. Hosts Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark discuss the urban legend of the "seven Ashleys and the dog in the suitcase," the serial killer Juan Corona, and a family heirloom with a dark history.

Karen and Georgia reveal that the story about the seven Ashleys was an urban legend, much to the surprise of their listeners. They share their thoughts on how urban myths can spread and the role social media plays in shaping these narratives.

The episode features a chilling story from a listener about Juan Corona, a serial killer who murdered migrant workers in California. The listener recounts how a family friend had a close encounter with Corona, highlighting the impact of crime on communities.

Another listener shares a family secret about a great-great grandmother who murdered her abusive husband, showcasing the complexities of domestic abuse and justice in historical contexts. The hosts reflect on the moral implications of the story.

Listeners also share humorous and creepy anecdotes, such as a call from the "rubber boot man" and a tale of a toddler who wandered off and was taken in by an elderly woman. The episode blends humor with dark themes, maintaining the show's signature tone.

TLDR

Hosts discuss urban legends, true crime stories, and listener anecdotes about murder and mayhem.

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To my favorite murder. Miniso. You're not going to pronounce it Miniso? Miniso. Minioniso.
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They're wearing overalls Yeah That's Karen Kilgara That's Georgia Hardstart And this is where we
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We do your shit back And this is where we Break the terrible news To you That our story
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About the seven Ashleys And the dog in the suitcase Was an urban legend What are you talking about?
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Last No Yes my friend The dog in the suitcase Where he punches her And takes it Yep
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This is the first I've heard of this I've been getting Shit A cascade of tweets And this is really
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What I love This is Twitter for you About this podcast is that we will tell you how, like, our audience adjusts to the kind of feedback we would like to
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hear. So everybody came in like, we know you did it. Everyone's like that. But like, heard it,
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heard it, heard it. So what I love about that is that no one told me on Instagram,
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I feel like Instagram is so nice. Like, great job on everything. And Twitter's like,
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well, you fucked up. And here's like, guess what? Here's the bad news. But I want that's why I'm on
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Twitter. And you're on Instagram, because I want to know but it but that's what I love about urban
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myths is that for me, the reason I believed it, was it the name Ashley? It was a bunch of Ashleys.
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It was three Chelseys. Chelsea. Chelsea. But I do like seven Ashleys. Seven Ashleys is good too.
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But that's what made it real to me is that everyone's name was Chelsea, which is so random
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and stupid. If you wrote a story, you'd pick three different names. Right. You wouldn't just call everyone Chelsea.
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Right. Unless you're a really lazy writer. Yeah. Or unless you hit enter three times and never checked your document.
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Right. But anyway, so sadly, and also it's a huge relief because then you know that a dog wasn't
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accidentally killed and then carried around in a suitcase, which is upsetting. Well, I'm glad to hear that.
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That part's nice. I thought that was an innovative way to carry a dog, though. I mean, I think we all relate to Chelsea trying to solve a problem, like a very big problem.
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Chelsea's are problem solvers. Yes. You know that about them. All four of them. All of them.
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Well, I'm sorry to hear that. Please don't. Please check your work and don't send us.
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creepypasta. Unless they're really good like that. Unless they're really good and we can't even figure it out.
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They need to be three to five Chelsea-level stories. That's right. Not stars. Nope. Chelsea.
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Interestingly, the one I thought was the urban legend of the ring being found in the backyard
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also got a ton of stories. I shouldn't say a ton, but a couple people were like, that happened to me, my brother did.
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Yes. So the one I was like, eh, real. Just goes to show you Even after three or four years, we can't figure this stuff out.
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Guys, it's still a mystery and it's still fresh. We're all learning together and we're growing.
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Growing together. Okay. Are you ready? Yes, go. The subject line of this one is hometown story.
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Perfect. Can you imagine getting back to basics? I think that actually when you submit on our website, you can't pick a subject line and
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they're just called hometown stories. That's why we get so many called hometown stories.
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Really? Yes. What fascist made it that way? Denton, our web developer. Send all your emails to, and then I give his home account.
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Do it. Hometown story. Okay Hi Karen Georgia Steven and friends What if he also made it automatically made it for babies Okay Greetings from Oakland California I not originally from here so I won pretend to know the area better than a native
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Hi, Karen. Hi. But I love hearing about stories from Northern California. I was at Hanukkah celebrations with my husband's family and mentioned moving to Sacramento soon
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because the bay is ridiculously expensive, which it is. I then casually mentioned Sacramento was crazy with murders in the 70s and everyone got quiet except a family friend, Stephen.
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Yay. Stephen. You can always count on Stephen. It literally says Stephen in parentheses with an exclamation point.
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So we all read our line perfectly just then. Stephen asked, have you ever heard of the serial killer Juan Corona?
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Then proceeded the best holiday moment that's ever happened to me. So we've never done.
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I don't believe we've done Juan Corona, but Guy Brennan. Yeah. That's right. Yeah.
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He was hometown Colin, and it's such a disturbing, awful serial killer. Read it, and then I have a tidbit for you.
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Oh, great. Steven said that he grew up in Yuba City, and when he was in high school, he and his friends planned a post-game kegger in some nearby fruit orchards.
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That's what it's all about in the country. Picking a field to drink in that the farmer that owns that field will not have you arrested if he catches you.
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Or shoot you on site. Or shoot you, or set his German shepherds on you. Stephen was about to head out when he heard the party was canceled because there were police crawling all over the scene.
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He panicked, thinking the police had found the kegs they had thoughtfully put there ahead of time.
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That's smart. Instead, cops had just discovered bodies in shallow graves. Many, many shallow graves.
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Stephen said Juan Corona was his neighbor, and Juan used to wave to him in the mornings on the way to work.
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And Stephen always thought he was a nice guy. Turns out he was a serial killer who murdered migrant workers.
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many of them. I added that again. After all this was discovered, people wrote songs
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about him because nothing exciting had ever happened in Yuba City. Check out the Ballad of
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Juan Cromona by the Pencilnecks. I was so excited, I talked to Stephen for the rest of the holiday party and ignored my husband's
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family. Whoops. Stay sexy and don't do keggers in the peach orchard. Michelle. So one of those
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orchards where they might have partied and where they found some bodies belong to my friend's family. Kate Pirovich, our hairdresser in Portland.
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Yeah. Yes. I'll have her right in. But her family owns some land out there. And they found bodies on their land. Yeah. I mean, that guy was so he killed so many people.
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It's terrible. It's really horrifying. OK. OK, let's stop talking. This one's called Family Heirlooms and Holiday Secrets.
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Hi and etc. Bravissimo. I'll try to keep this short and sweet. As we know, every murderino's low-key wish over the holidays is for a family member to
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spill the tea on a juicy secret or hometown murder story. And boy, did my future in-law deliver.
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I'm recently engaged, though I have been with my fiancé for years. I adore his family, and when he got engaged a few months ago, he gave me his great-great
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grandmother's Art Deco diamond ring. It's astoundingly beautiful, and I'm honored and a bit nervous to be carrying such a precious
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family heirloom. On Christmas Eve, I was chatting with my future mother-in-law and she remarked how happy she is that I have the ring and how the original owner, her great grandmother, was an incredible woman.
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Out of the blue, her very next sentence was, and she had a horribly abusive husband and she killed him.
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Oh, shit. Mom-in-law must have seen the oh, shit look on my face. And she continued with a shrug and a half-hearted, sorry.
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we both we both burst out giggling and she went on to tell me that when her great-grandmother
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finally had enough of her husband's abuse she enlisted the help of a male friend and got her
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husband super drunk until he passed out then they tied him up and laid him across the train tracks
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oh my god when the inevitable happened great-grandma waited some time and he was declared
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missing eventually she was declared a widow who knew it was that easy of course murder is horrific
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in any circumstance and what a way to do the deed. But I can also imagine how tough it was
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for a minority woman to get justice for domestic abuse in the 20s and 30s. Fuck yes.
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Shrug. Sorry. Sorry. Yeah, so sorry. Sorry. The kicker, though, is that after everything blew over, aforementioned male friend slash
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partner in crime then wanted to marry great grandma. Yeah. Her response was, no, you killed my husband.
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Jesus Christ. Probably smart, if we're being honest. She went on to remarry someone else and raise a
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total of eight kids. She was a social worker and helped children in disadvantaged minority
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communities for her whole life. A true legend. So obviously, the conversation took a turn. And I
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don't really know where this diamond ring came into play. All in all, I love my in-laws and my
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fiance so much. And I'm even more floored to be carrying the legacy of such a badass.
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I'm not sure what the moral takeaway here is. But I guess stay sexy and don't marry the person you
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contracted to murder your abusive husband, because he's probably bad news too. yeah but i'm sorry no 100 i hate to nope you're right
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how in god's name or is anyone judging the person that got looped into 100 you're correct on this
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Wow. Yeah, really a lot to unpack on the moral side, as it always is on this show.
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I agree, but it was a good story. So don't kill. Like, totally, we don't condone murder in any way.
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We also don't. But also shrug. Well, because this is the thing of when women go and are abused.
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It's like everyone knows this. I feel like domestic abuse just changes your brain too in such an insane way that you Well you pushed to a limit And when you read You in a constant state of fear Yes You being terrorized on a daily basis So obviously she driven to the edge and this person was a real piece of shit
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But then to tie them up and put them in front of the train track is just fucking...
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It's really the worst way you could kill a person. Okay, this one has a lot to offer.
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How many Chelseas are there, though? There's only six. Okay, it just starts high.
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Great. I went to a small women's college in North Carolina, super old, founded in 1772, and allegedly haunted.
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And apparently, we take our ghosts seriously. The college has a lot of quirky traditions, one of which is that all students are required to attend a monthly town hall meeting or else you get fined.
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Wow. Is this communist Russia? It seems like it in North Carolina. The meetings were pretty chill.
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each class would air its monthly list of grievances. Wow. I'm not getting enough attention.
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Its monthly list of grievances, and then the student government would get a chance to respond.
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Usually the grievances were legit or funny, like why isn't there more diversity in the student leadership,
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or why isn't there any root beer in the refetery? Just the full range, basically.
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They're tabling every possible issue. Okay. But one time, my junior year, at the end of a long list of the usual complaints, the senior class representative added angrily.
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Also, people are being really disrespectful and using Ouija boards to open demon portals in Cluel Hall and then not closing them when they're done.
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So demons are getting out. What? The whole room erupted. Half of us were losing our shit laughing and the other half were like, guys, be serious.
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This is a real problem. All pissed off like. Then the student body president stood up, motioned for everyone to be quiet and said, I shit you not.
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Y'all just be conscientious. This is a haunted college. That's the best. Y'all. Then a junior class rep stood up and said, the junior class would like to know if if we do see a ghost, who do we call?
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Then after the laughter died down from the question, the president of the nature based nature based faiths club.
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The nature-based Faiths Club offered to do salt cleansings to ward off said demons.
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Everyone seemed to calm down after that. Basically, I feel like I'll take a bath, a steps and salt bath for you.
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I do that. I'll do a nice sits bath and get rid of my quote-unquote demons. Everyone seemed to calm down after that.
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So the Wiccans came in and helped out. I don't know if the portals ever got closed.
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A couple seniors made a point of buying black candles and doing some ritual. But who's to say?
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There are a lot of spooky Halloween ghost stories that take place at my college, but the demon panic of 13 made me laugh the most.
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Anyway, stay sexy. And if you're going to go to college, go to a women's one. Thanks, Elise.
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Wow. That's the best. I love that. Y'all. Y'all. Y'all, look. There's a lot of portals.
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Default terms at MintMobile.com. Salutations. So, Washington State. Charlotte, is this a spider writing to us?
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So, Washington State, it's a hell of a place. I've always known that one of my uncles spent time in prison for armed robbery, but never knew the story behind it.
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I knew that he had committed robberies and he was not allowed in our house, but the rest of the details were kept secret.
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But he could stand in the driveway if he wanted to. On Thanksgiving, he would go out there and eat cranberry sauce.
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He doesn't need your fucking napkins and silver and fucking fine china. If he could just overhear the rest of the family having Thanksgiving, that's plenty for him.
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That's right. So cut to January 1st, 2020. My husband and I were incredibly hungover, driving with my parents to pick up our car.
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Don't drink and drive. And the four of us started talking about the witness protection program in prisons.
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My dad casually mentioned that while in prison, my uncle was in protective custody.
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And here's where it gets interesting. Years ago, my uncle was robbing convenience stores.
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He even had a nickname for the sake of anonymity. I'll leave that out. His getaway strategy was to kidnap someone in the convenience store with a car, then force
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them to drive him away from the scene of the crime and then leave them stranded by the
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side of the road. How scary is that? It's so scary. Well during the last armed robbery he kidnapped a little old lady She was absolutely terrified shaking and driving far too slowly for him to make a clean getaway So after about three blocks my uncle kicked her out of the car and drove away
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It turned out that this little old lady happened to be the mother of a local crime boss.
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Oh, no. And then it says, what the fuck? Isn't this a movie starring Matthew Broderick?
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Is there an iguana in this? Oh, I love my blue heaven. No, no, that's Rick Moranis.
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I'm thinking of My Blue Heaven. One of my favorite movies. I'm thinking of The Freshman, The Senior, The College Student.
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The Graduate. Yeah, it's so good. The Graduate. That's what I said. On Tuesday. Plastics.
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Oh, R.I.P. Buck Henry. Did you hear Buck Henry died? Anyway. Okay. Where were we?
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So sorry. What the fuck? My uncle was caught shortly after and there was concern that this crime boss would seek
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out retribution against my uncle for kidnapping his elderly mother. Because of this, my uncle was
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moved from prison to prison until they could secure a place for him in solitary. Eventually,
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he was released and seemed to turn his life around. I wasn't particularly close with him,
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because he wasn't allowed in your fucking house. But he was always nice when I saw him. He passed
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away a few years ago. Even if he were still alive, I don't think I would ask him about his time in
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prison or living with a target on his back. Love the show. Stay sexy and don't kidnap little ladies
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at gunpoint, especially if they're the mother of a local crime boss, B. How about we look at all humans like they could be mothers of crime bosses, young or
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old, and don't kidnap people and terrorize them. How about we just don't kidnap people?
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Well, and how about, all I wanted to say was like, is he robbing convenience stores because
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he was hooked on drugs? Right. And like, that's how all these things go hand in hand.
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Right, right. Rarely people are like, look, I'm super fun and chill, but I also do this thing.
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And then, you know, because I do want the, what, $80 I get from a convenience store.
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Terrorizing people. So horrifying. Okay. Now that person, you kidnap a person, you think it's a victimless crime, they can't go to 7-Eleven anymore.
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That's bullshit. Okay. Now I want to sing the theme song to the AMPM mini market.
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AMPM's making news, that one? No. No, go. I think that's my 80s one. What's yours?
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Mine's my 80s one is it's the it's I sing it to myself every time I see an AM PM mini market sign.
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It's the AM PM mini market. You can drive right up in your car and park it. You can shop around the clock all night.
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We're open morning, noon and night. You can shop around the clock all day. I mean, that's beautiful.
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And then I'd be like a picture a close up of like their soft serve machine. Wow.
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AM PM is really good soft serve. OK, are you ready? This is my last one. And it's what my new favorite series that people are now sending us in is like the creep, the creep of the week.
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Right. So it says rubber boot man. Creep alert is the subject line. Oh, great. Hi.
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I'm just trying to tell you about a creepy phone call I used to get at work many years ago.
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I live in Canada and I started working for a national airline in 2000 as a reservations call center agent.
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Obviously, my colleagues and I have spoken to many a creep over the years, but by far the most legendary was a guy we called the rubber boot man.
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He spoke in a high-pitched, baby-like voice. He'd say, hey, how are you? Is it waning where you are?
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Ew! Are you wearing your wubba boots? What the fuck? Do you like to splash in puddles?
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I'm reading it as it's written. It's so good. Then he'd ask, do you like the dunk tank?
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Do you like the dunk tank? what the fuck this is the most specific fucking fetish of all time okay do you like the dunk tank
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what happens when you fall in the dunk tank ultimately oh my god ultimately he wanted us
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to say we'd get wet if we fell into the dunk tank or splashed in the puddles sometimes he'd
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ask if we liked wrestling not not sure where the convo was supposed to end up he called for years
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and then suddenly stopped. I wonder if he's still alive. I don't speak to the public much anymore.
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Thank the good Lord. So I'm sure. So I'm not sure if the creeps still call these days or what.
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People have probably moved on to even grosser things. Yeah. So true. Anyways, if you work in a call center and there's a weirdo on the line,
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hang the fuck up or keep them on. If it's close to the end of your shift, whatever gets you through.
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SSDGM, Melissa. Oh, God. Are you wearing rubber boots? Are you wearing rubber boots?
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Do you like to dunk tank? Ew. Ew. I don't know what's that. And it's so creepy. Or the baby voice.
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Everything. Well, because to me, immediately, I feel like he as a child had something happen to him at the county fair.
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Oh, God. In the fall. Yeah. Because it was maybe lightly sprinkling, if not raining.
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Something happened to that guy. Or he went in the dunk tank. Or his father ran a dunk tank company.
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Okay. This last one's called cookies and kidnapping? Question mark? Sure. Hey-o.
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I'm the third of four kids. all aged around two years apart from one another. So naturally, I'm a long sufferer of middle child syndrome.
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When I was around two and my little sister was a newborn, my mom put the four of us down for naps,
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then exhausted from chasing four little kids around, fell asleep herself. After a light 15-minute nap, I woke up to find everyone else in the house asleep.
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My two-year-old self decided it would be nice to go for a walk. Yes, it would. Get out there.
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I headed for the sliding back door I could push open and peaced out of there. Bye.
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I can't imagine the horror my mom felt when she woke up to a house with only three children in it.
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After frantically searching the house and yard, my mom called the police, then ran down the street shouting my name.
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Little did she know, an elderly woman down the street had seen me roaming the sidewalks and decided to bring me into her house and let me watch TV and eat cookies.
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When my mom ran past the old woman's house screaming, she just watched through the window while feeding me more cookies.
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No. When the police finally arrived on the block, the old woman brought me out to them and explained that I had been at her house the entire time and that she was teaching my mom a lesson to watch her kids more closely.
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Obviously, my mom was furious and wanted to press charges. But in the end, the police just explained to the old lady that she can't hold any more toddlers hostage.
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My mom was traumatized. But hey, no harm, no foul. Stay sexy and don't take cookies from petty grannies.
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SJ. Damn. That is really harsh. Damn, grandma. Grammy is fucking harsh. She's like, you know what?
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How about how about I extend this for another hour and see how you like it? I'm enjoying myself.
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Send us your fucked up stories and your what? I was just going to say my sister.
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That's how that's the reason my parents moved to Petaluma is we lived in San Francisco and
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both of my parents were San Francisco natives. Yeah. And when my sister was two years old, she did the exact same thing.
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Episode Highlights

  • Transforming Hair Color
    Madison Reed revolutionizes the hair color experience with care and quality.
    “The future of hair color is here at Madison Reed.”
    @ 00m 43s
    January 13, 2020
  • The Juan Corona Story
    A chilling tale of a serial killer who was a neighbor and a local crime boss's mother.
    “Turns out he was a serial killer who murdered migrant workers.”
    @ 07m 49s
    January 13, 2020
  • Family Heirlooms and Holiday Secrets
    A family heirloom reveals a dark past of murder and survival.
    “She had a horribly abusive husband and she killed him.”
    @ 09m 28s
    January 13, 2020
  • The Rubber Boot Man
    A call center agent shares the bizarre experiences with a caller known as the rubber boot man.
    “He spoke in a high-pitched, baby-like voice.”
    @ 21m 12s
    January 13, 2020
  • Cookies and Kidnapping
    A childhood adventure turns into a lesson about safety when a toddler wanders off.
    “Stay sexy and don't take cookies from petty grannies.”
    @ 24m 22s
    January 13, 2020

Episode Quotes

  • I thought that was an innovative way to carry a dog, though.
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  • Stay sexy and don't do keggers in the peach orchard.
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  • Forget everything you know about hair color.
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  • Stay sexy and don't kidnap little ladies at gunpoint.
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  • What the fuck? This is the most specific fucking fetish of all time!
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  • Stay sexy and don't take cookies from petty grannies.
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Key Moments

  • Murderous Family Secrets09:28
  • Demon Panic13:34
  • Kidnapping Gone Wrong17:42
  • Creepy Phone Call20:53
  • Rubber Boot Man21:04
  • Toddler Escape23:10
  • Old Lady's Lesson24:00
  • Final Thoughts25:24

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