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Own the dream. My Savior My Savior What's up Minneapolis? Yeah. Is it on? Is it on?
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Maybe. That's how you do it. We brought a friend. A best friend. Did you hear about our new producer that replaced Steven?
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It's kind of a big get. Kind of a huge get in Hollywood. Yeah, I took a little bit of a numbers break.
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He took a bit of a pay cut. Yeah. Here, listen to this note. This is waiting for us backstage.
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age. Karen in Georgia. Society wants to believe it can identify evil people or bad or harmful people,
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but it's not practical. There are no stereotypes. We serial killers are your sons. We are your
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husbands. We are everywhere. I don't feel guilty for anything. I feel sorry for people who feel
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guilt. Now go get your head in the game. You gotta get your head in the game. Zac Efron as
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Ted Bundy. Pretty amazing. But wait. Here's the real note. Hope you enjoy your new backstage guest.
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Don't help him with a boat if he asks. Can't wait for your show. Minneapolis Murderinos, Adriana
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and Courtney. Well done. Ladies. Well done. Let's get this guy out of here. You feel upstaged by Zac Efron, don't you?
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I do. She didn't want to bring him out. His beauty. No, I did. You just threw me right under the VW.
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Just like you threw him under the fucking... Was that rude? No, not at all. We do what we want.
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Hi, everybody. Hi, guys. We want to tell you about when you guys stood up, It made me think of the one girl in the front row who didn't realize last night that everyone else had sat down.
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And it was so sweet and earnest. And alone. It was the funniest because for one second, we were kind of like this and starting to talk.
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And for one second, I thought she was going to be like, excuse me. And I was like, oh, shit.
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Here we go at the fucking customer service at the top of the show. But then I saw her hands go like this.
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She was like a little raccoon. like bring it on whatever you have to say and then i'm like oh she has no idea the standing
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ovation is over oh we've all been there then she looked behind her and sat down immediately
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and then we called her shit out hard poor thing it's the best poor thing it's really the ultimate
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compliment just an extended standing ovation that doesn't end it doesn't end even though
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nothing's happening. How's it going? How are you? Real good, yourself? Good, thanks.
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Thanks for having us back here. We're really excited. Awesome. This is our fucking,
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this is the last city of our five-month tour. God bless you. Thank you. This is exciting.
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Bless you all. We appreciate you letting us finally stop. Our agent will not. It's really, no.
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It's the best we love it. It's been two seasons of the year. Yes. Five full months.
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The winter spring tour. Just call it the half yearly sale. And I wanted to show you so as you guys know maybe or you don after the show we go back to our hotel rooms usually with food and chicken strips and we both turn on Forensic Files
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It is always on. Thank you, HLN. Thank you, HLN. It's so comforting. And lately, like this weekend, basically, I've been noticing new episodes that I've never seen before, which is so, because I think they had like 20 episodes.
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You'd be like, I know this one. His head is this, and whatever. Or Vince, even Vince will be like, I've seen this one.
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I'm like, I love you. So now there's a couple new ones, which means more great hairstyles to laugh about.
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And people who are just, what's happening with them? The thing is that the early 90s didn't seem that weird when they were happening.
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But they don't hold up. But do you wonder, like, I always think, well, now we look normal.
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But then I look at the early 2000s and I'm like, what the fuck was I wearing? For real.
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I had piercings in the face and, like, I just don't know. It's not good. I used to come down the stairs and my mom would go,
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you're not wearing that to the dentist. I'd just be like, what's wrong with you?
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You look like a hobo. And then I see pictures from them. I look exactly like a hobo.
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Like huge jeans with rips all the way. No middle jean, just top and bottom. If you walked into the dentist, the dentist would be like,
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what's going on in her mouth? Oh, this isn't going to be fun. Okay, did you get some good forensic files?
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I have two good friends I want to introduce you to. And remember, we can't pause this.
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So this is like, take the photo as quick as you can. Vince, Vince, here he comes.
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Put him on. That's one. And Vince goes, he should be investigating where his sideburns went.
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How? It was a different time. But you know those? You know when you're like, I'm going to be on TV tomorrow for the first time.
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I'm so excited. This fucking happened to me. I'm going to go get a haircut. Oh, and then you get this.
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This is what happens. Okay. My bangs were shorter than that the first time. And I left the salon crying, truly.
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Oh, you didn't do it to yourself? No, I went to like a salon and I was like, I'm going to treat myself.
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It's the first time you're on TV. Like, let it be a big deal. Paid a hundred fucking dollars for him to make me look like, yeah, everyone's like a hundred.
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I know. I would have done that for you in the nineties. On white wine and a touch of speed.
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And I would have got him right up there. I mean, I'd still do it for you, minus the speed.
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Just the white wine. Just a touch of wine? When I have a glass of white wine, I'm the best hairdresser.
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Show us proof. Well, I guess the only proof I have, which is the opposite of proof,
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is that a guy almost broke up with me when I cut his hair once. I was like, I know what I'm doing.
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I went to three months of beauty school. I could totally do this. And then he was like, um, I don't.
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Okay. Oh, I, I, okay. I saw this guy last night. Did you? Yes. I watched this one because he did a really moving speech.
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He was great. He was really smart and great. How do you trust a guy who's wearing Peter Tork's wig?
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He did a really great speech about how we shouldn't judge people on their strange behavior.
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And I was like, should we judge them on their weird bobs that make no sense? Clearly, you're putting a little bit of like hydrogen peroxide in.
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Yeah. You get the sun highlights. The sun in highlights. Sun in. For sure. And that's who's going to be representing us one day at our trial.
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If we're lucky. If we're lucky. Good. Great. Speaking of, this is my favorite murder, the podcast.
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Hi. This is Karen Kilgara. This is Georgia Hartstark. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you, best friends.
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Best friends. We appreciate it. Steven's not here. No, he never comes. Yeah, the next tour will just be him.
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You're right. I think. That's a good idea. Right? Yeah. He's going to have to wear, he's going to be half me, half Karen.
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And he's going to, and we're not going to pay him extra for it. He's going to lip sync.
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He's going to lip sync it. Yeah. We'll record it beforehand. Oh, we had. They did.
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Last night in Milwaukee at a bar called Dick's. There was a drag show where they were dressed up like us.
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We're done. We're done. We've made it. The end. Honored. We don't have to do anything else.
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Once drag queens are doing you, you're fucking done. That's, yeah. That's what my grandma always said.
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Made it. She knew. she knew the levels the last level that you need to hit how's your dress holding up
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it's okay thanks so much it doesn't have pockets so it's slightly disappointing well the drunk screaming girl
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the first night pointed it out to us very well yeah we have a ton of drunk screaming girls
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in our audience thank you I love it be proud She screams. She's in the front row, screams, but then points to herself.
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If you miss the yelling, I'm here. No, that was for me, the girl in the silver tank top.
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Yeah, I mean, yeah, they still can wine here. If I can have one. Fuck, have seven.
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I would have. Would have. Silence. Okay. Should we sit down? Yeah, I guess so. Oh.
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Ooh. Look at these petite little chairs. Are these with century modern? These are quite something.
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What is this, Nogahyde? Ew. Yes. Honestly, I would put these in my apartment. Hell yes.
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These are nice And then we got a little twist on the thing Yeah this is a fucking high class situation High class We in tonight We got whatever this is
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I don't know. Oh, is that for Mike? This is for if you're stressing out during your story.
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Which I am. Do you want to tell them about this podcast? Aren't we all? Oh, yeah, the speech.
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It's time for the speech. You have two more. You have tonight and tomorrow night to perfect it.
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So like fucking feel it from your heart and your soul. Can I get a follow spot, please?
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I'm just going to walk around the stage a little bit. The lighting guy's like, does she really want one?
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No, no, no. That's just some theater comedy to make you hate me. So this is a true crime comedy podcast.
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And yes, and people like it. But oftentimes at these live shows, you, murderinos, buy tickets,
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and then you bring people who don't listen, don't like it, don't care, and don't want to be here.
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Which is, you get to live your life any way you want. But I would suggest a redirect on that area.
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But I don't know your story, so do whatever the fuck you want anyway. I just saw one girl hug her friend sweetly.
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I'm sorry. I may do. And then that person has to go to some kind of weird crafting thing later.
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It's a trade-off. We get it. That's how relationships are supposed to work. So to those people who don't listen and don't get it, sometimes when you hear the phrase true crime comedy podcast,
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a lot of times people are like, that's wrong, or those two things don't go together.
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So we just like to really quickly say at the top of the show, George and I have been obsessed with true crime since we were very young,
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but we also simultaneously have dealt with all the horrors of our lives through humor.
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and so it was only natural when we started this podcast and started talking to each other about
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the worst things that can happen to people in the world that we would then let off the steam of the
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horror of that by making jokes so uh we reserve the right to do that as individual people and if
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you don't like it you can get the fuck out great that was a good one how was that one that one was
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great. And really fun fact, not far from this theater right now, Cher just gave that exact
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same scene. Isn't that wild? Do you believe in getting the fuck out? Do it. Right? Do it.
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Can we get drunk Cher? Drunk Karen Cher? No, you don't know Cher. Cher, hold on.
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Listen, hold on. Seriously? Cher. That was amazing. It's just that. It's just that for a whole...
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There's no resolution to the drunk Karen bits. You just keep staring going, why?
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Why is this happening? And then in the morning you're like, did I do karaoke with Cher?
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God, what happened last night? Did I meet Cher? No. You didn't. I don't care. we love sober karen more yeah you don't know drunk karen that's the truth she would steal
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your purse she would fucking she would steal your purse kick you in the shin and then accuse you of
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betraying her somehow that's pretty much the pattern oh that's fun isn't it fun bro from the show last night to this drive why is it never chill because this is our life
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I'm going to have the real Zac Efron. Yes. Could you imagine? No. I can't. No. No, I don't want to.
00:19:07
No. I don't want to. Okay. I'm doing The Murder of Louis Arbogast. Thank you. Thank you.
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Even if you don't know or care, thank you. That's how it's done. Okay, here we are in 1909.
00:19:24
Louis Harbogast, he's a German immigrant, this big old jovial dude. He runs a butcher shop in one of St. Paul's Seven Corners.
00:19:35
West 7th Street, look it up. I love like five of those corners. I'm not going to say.
00:19:42
I won't tell you which one. Yeah, let's not turn them against us. No. Just yet. Not yet.
00:19:48
We just started. So he's a German immigrant, and he has a good business sense, and he's a really skilled butcher.
00:19:55
So he's able to build this really successful business and provide well for his wife, Mina, and their five daughters with a really comfortable life.
00:20:03
His worth at the time is rumored to be around $200,000 at the time. At the time.
00:20:09
Which right now is a lot of fucking, that's $100 haircuts every week. Right? Fuck my bangs up again.
00:20:16
I don't care. I'm rich. Which in today's money is... Should I guess? Sure. Wait, sorry.
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$200,000 back then. I remember there was a dip in the market, and then it went back up.
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Okay, but then it does come back up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It always does. Yeah. You know, bearable.
00:20:31
The trend. The bearable trend. I just said it because you said it. I just said it because I listen to financial podcasts.
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That's what they say. $200,000 back then. Oh, my God. Oh, one? Oh, one? Oh, nine.
00:20:46
Oh, nine. as if she's gonna yeah yeah yeah okay that's gonna be four million dollars
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close 5.6 million good job you were in the ballpark i'm getting i'm getting good at this
00:21:00
i feel like in the beginning they were like 300 more dollars like we just couldn't even
00:21:05
and now it's my passion that's right now it's your new podcast it's called today's money
00:21:10
It's called... And all I do is read lists of how much money... Yeah. You send me the year.
00:21:20
And the amount. And the amount. Yeah, I can't do the amount. And every time it's, you guys won't believe this.
00:21:25
Oh, my God. Holy shit. In 1568. Oh, my God. They didn't have money. How many leaves?
00:21:33
Everything was good faith. What'd you say? Leaves. Leaves. That's silly. It was coffee.
00:21:40
Everyone knows it. Yeah. Okay, so four of Louis and Mina's daughters live with them
00:21:48
in their beautiful two-story house that's only a five-minute walk from the butcher shop.
00:21:52
Let me show you them real quick. That's the handsome couple. That's what it was like to be rich back then.
00:22:00
Yeah. It's different now. These are the real housewives of yesteryear. When you're rich, you just don't even fit in your photograph.
00:22:10
No. Kind of a thing. She's like, I'll have another side of bacon. Go fuck yourself.
00:22:17
Yeah. So that's them, and then this is their house, which clearly is Gordon. What?
00:22:22
I don't know. I was running late. I promise it's beautiful. Except for the boarded up part.
00:22:34
Where? Is that modern art? I don't know what that is. Did this house burn down while they lived there?
00:22:40
No. Well, ooh. What? Ah. Ooh. Ooh, psychic. I've done it again. That might be an ad for cleaning solvent.
00:22:47
I don't know. Oh, okay. That's their gorgeous house. Okay. You know, I'm sure it costs $900,000 today.
00:22:54
Okay. Inflation. Okay. Okay. So, they have the five daughters. The youngest is 16, named Flora.
00:23:01
Her nickname is Babe, which sounds insulting. That's... You like it? Because of the pig?
00:23:06
Probably. Yeah. Then there's Minnie, who's 18. Ida is 22, and the eldest is the beautiful, black-haired Louise.
00:23:15
She's 23. And then there's another daughter who's 19-year-old Emma. She lives with her husband, too young.
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Back then, she was an old sinster. She's like, thank fucking God someone came by.
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I'm almost 20. They live down the street on South Exchange Street, just a block away.
00:23:34
So, on the surface, of course, as all families do, this family looks normal and perfect.
00:23:40
Mm-hmm. Yeah. There you go. But they're not. The daughters are all these beautiful, vivacious, social butterflies.
00:23:52
Yeah. Blutterfly. Murder. That's foreshadowing. They're known for... Their confidence and independence and all that good shit.
00:24:04
So, early morning hours on May 13th. Wait, that's not your birthday. Two days after.
00:24:10
Right. 1909, a 16-year-old newsboy whose name is Abrahamson. It's probably his last name.
00:24:20
He hears screams as he walks by the Arbogast house at 4 a.m. on his newspaper route.
00:24:26
out. And he sees two of the daughters, Ida and Minnie, on the front porch in their nightgowns
00:24:33
crying out, my poor papa, won't someone help my poor papa? And they're just screaming at 4 a.m.
00:24:39
So he, the newspaper boy, runs into the house like a hero and he runs in and he finds Luis and
00:24:48
Flora, two of the other daughters, weeping and wailing and grief in the hall. He runs up to the
00:24:52
second floor passes Mrs. Arbogast, who's coming down the stairs, and when he gets
00:24:58
to the second floor, he follows the smell of gasoline fumes and smoke to the main bedroom.
00:25:04
And there he finds Louis Arbogast, the family patriarch, lying on the bed. He's engulfed
00:25:10
in flames. Still burning? Yeah. Engulfed. That means... Yeah, it is. You're right.
00:25:19
It's going to be like that tonight. I'm sweating. But sorry. Okay. Go ahead. But no one's downstairs yelling fucking fire, fire, fire?
00:25:35
That's a good point. Okay. That's my confusion. Help, help, help. Okay. Okay, great.
00:25:43
The newsboy grabs a sheet from the floor and tries to smother the flames. Oh, sorry.
00:25:48
Do you know how old the newsboy is? So he's 16. He's probably the chief of police.
00:25:52
Yes, exactly. Back then. Yep. How they did it. He's been so for 10 years. Yeah. I thought you said he's been sober for 10 years.
00:26:03
Also very possible. Probably not. It's 1909. Such a tough job on a team. So he smothers the flames, and then he's joined by the fiancé of Louise, the oldest daughter, Henry,
00:26:18
and they put out the fire. Fucking great. Then he runs downstairs to the back stairs where he finds a burning roll of fabric and feathers blazing.
00:26:28
And he puts, he fucking tosses that outside and puts the fire out, which is like awesome.
00:26:33
He's doing it. Yeah. 16-year-olds. They've got a lot of chutzpah, you know? Yeah.
00:26:38
But the neighbor's like, where's my paper? I know. Excuse me? You're fired. Do I have to send a telegram to the head office?
00:26:45
firefighters arrive and head to the second floor where they find Louis Arbogast. He's barely,
00:26:52
he's still alive. No. I know, gasping for air. He's unconscious, lying across the bed naked,
00:26:58
and the back of his skull has been bashed in. And there's blood spatter on the walls and into the
00:27:05
sheets beneath him, and they load him into an ambulance, and he dies on the way to the hospital.
00:27:10
I totally forgot to tell you guys that most of this information I got is from the podcast Most Notorious.
00:27:16
Oh, okay. They have a Minnesota, you know, spinoff thing. That's right. Great. So, you can hear all about...
00:27:27
They specialize in stories from Minnesota. They have like a, you know what I mean?
00:27:31
Companion. Companion piece? Companion podcast. A secondary podcast? Like a spinoff.
00:27:36
A spinoff. There you go. I think you did say that. Sorry. that's on me that's on me what was it the other day when you were like i i have to be your thesaurus
00:27:46
all the time or something like that no no you're um because it was who's the actor from the thing
00:27:51
and anytime she says that i'm like i'm gonna get this like i something rises up in me where i
00:27:57
that's like the one way i can prove that i'm a valid human being we're just like
00:28:02
we couldn't be more of a perfect like pair because i can't remember shit ever but i'm always like
00:28:08
the purple head with the thing and then the, and then you're like, and then she's like, who played,
00:28:12
yeah, who played Mel on Alice? I'm a thick, hey back, it's screaming at the top of my lung.
00:28:17
It's a pretty good, very sad. It's well done. Okay. No, it's good. No, it's so good. Okay. Stop it.
00:28:25
Okay. He dies on the way to the hospital. And his wife, Mina, who was presumably in bed during
00:28:32
the attack has burns on her body as well. She's taken to the hospital and police searched the
00:28:37
house for evidence, and they follow a trail of blood footprints, blood footprints, from the bed
00:28:44
down into the cellar, and there they find an axe wrapped in some clothing and loosely hidden in
00:28:50
some newspaper. It's stained with blood, and it has a fucked up handle. It's obviously the murder
00:28:56
weapon. And they also find two empty gasoline cans near the burned bed. And the family has a watchdog
00:29:04
that guards the fenced-in yard all night, a streetcar watchman. His duties were to make sure
00:29:09
there was no obstructions on the tracks. That sounds like a bummer. Stop the streetcar.
00:29:16
We have a bunch of sheep. He had been patrolling the area all night, including in front of the house,
00:29:24
and saw no one come in, and the dog hadn't freaked the fuck out, so it's clear that someone inside the house
00:29:29
committed this crime. And all the doors and windows were locked. etc. So, Louis' wife, Mina, claims that she'd been in the bathroom right near the bedroom when
00:29:41
her husband was attacked with the axe and set on fire. And she didn't know what was happening. She
00:29:46
comes out of the fucking bathroom and fire at 4 a.m. Now, it sounds unlikely. Right. But have you
00:29:53
ever gotten into one of those magnified mirrors Oh yeah You just get into it I mean truly that half of the time of this tour has been spent for me
00:30:05
Trying to remove small black hair. That's right. From your face. I somehow still have my eyebrows.
00:30:11
Thank God. One more day. We got one more day. Eee, eee, eee, eee. I go back. Tonight.
00:30:16
Pull them all out. That'd be fun. Okay. So she says she didn't know what was happening until one of her daughters screamed and ran
00:30:23
into the room and pulls Lewis from the blaze. And that's how she, she says she did that. And
00:30:28
that's how she got the burns on her. But she's dressed in a fresh clean nightgown that doesn't
00:30:33
show any signs of fire at all. So that's weird, number one. And then they go in the bathroom and
00:30:38
find bloodstained women's nightgown and undergarments in the bathtub like someone was
00:30:43
trying to clean them. So. Is that weird, number two? That's weird, number two. Okay.
00:30:47
the youngest daughter tells them a totally different story. She says that she woke up
00:30:53
in her bedroom that she shares with Luis, and when her mother started screaming, she ran into
00:30:58
her parents' bedroom, saw the bed on fire, and her father's head fucking bashed in, and her mom was
00:31:05
lying next to him when that happened, and so she pulled her mom out, but then she couldn't get her
00:31:11
dad and the rest of the sisters woke up, screamed outside, paper boy, et cetera. So, um, want to see
00:31:18
the bed? Yes. You have to. Okay. That's it. Well, it definitely fits inside that house.
00:31:27
But then if you notice the pillow, so that's his pillow, obviously the one next to it has
00:31:32
blood spatters on it where she said she was laying. So that's that, you know what I'm saying?
00:31:37
Yeah. Like, they wouldn't be on there if she was laying there. Right. Ooh, mystery.
00:31:43
Also, the wallpaper looks like it's a blood sputter pattern. That's true. That's true.
00:31:48
It's been hard to investigate this one. Can we get this colorized? Yeah. Please.
00:31:52
So, of course, reporters show up because this is a fucking fun scandal for them.
00:31:58
And they're basically podcasters. Right. But back then. And the Aubagast family just like shuts themselves off and their staff and they're like, we're not talking to anyone.
00:32:10
And then the reporters see in the background, background of the house, a stable boy shredding the murder mattress.
00:32:18
Backyard. Thank you. Yeah. So he is, the stable boy is getting rid of evidence essentially.
00:32:26
Yeah, but the police had left it. It wasn't like he was doing it without, you know, what he was supposed to.
00:32:31
So the police cleared Luis's fiancé and Emma's husband because they were in the house at the time,
00:32:40
and they don't know anything, and they refused to speculate. Later that day, Luis's brother visits the house, and he's interviewed by reporters.
00:32:48
He says he doesn't say much, but he tells them he only speaks to his brother on his way to work by just giving him a wave.
00:32:54
And when they're like, why? And they're like, he doesn't want to get mixed up in anything,
00:32:57
but he knows the murder couldn't have been committed by anyone outside the house.
00:33:01
So he's like, let me just tell you guys this shit. Not cool. Right. So there's rumors that start circulating that there's some crazy secrets going on within that seemingly perfect house.
00:33:16
And it might have led to jealousy or revenge as a motive to the death. And they rule out robbery.
00:33:22
And then John O'Connor, who's St. Paul's most famous police chief. Yes. You guys know and love him.
00:33:27
Yes, he was one of the greats. Yeah. I insist that he's your best friend. He was 15, and he painted fences for a living.
00:33:40
So he says the murder looks like the work of an insane person, and there's a theory that it was attempted double homicide
00:33:49
since Mina was also in bed, but she hadn't been hit in the head, so it wasn't, maybe not that.
00:33:55
Well, and also she said she was in the bathroom. Yeah. But she has burns all over her body.
00:34:01
Who knows? Okay. The coroner who examines Lewis's skull guesses that the person who wielded the axe
00:34:06
was probably not very strong. And when they hit him, it just didn't do much. So they had him a couple times.
00:34:14
And then the person doused the bed in gasoline and set it on fire. So two days after the murder,
00:34:23
Louise, the daughter, checks herself into St. Luke's Hospital for a rest cure. What's that?
00:34:30
Cocaine? No. That's usually what they did back then, though. Yeah. Well, maybe. I'm not going to say no, but the vapors or whatever.
00:34:40
Oh, right. Morphine. Just a huge glass of morphine every night. So you can rest.
00:34:46
Yeah. So reporters are like, ooh, what's this all about? She had a nervous breakdown, and they start digging into her background, the daughter.
00:34:53
She's been known in the past to visit fortune tellers all over fucking town. She's like obsessed with them and spends large amounts of money to help.
00:35:01
They help her make life decisions. And another paper reports that she'd spent the Christmas of 1908 recuperating from one of her bouts in a sanatorium.
00:35:12
So an alienist, which we all know it means a fucking psychiatrist today because we're so smart.
00:35:19
His name is Dr. Anthony Sweeney. he had examined her when she was staying at St. Luke's two months earlier,
00:35:25
and he tells the papers, because there's no such thing as patient confidentiality back then.
00:35:29
Nope. That's relatively new. Tell them everything, and it still is not in practice.
00:35:34
Okay. He tells the papers that she had been hopelessly insane, and that at the time of her release...
00:35:43
It's a strong statement. Kind of a dick move. If you're a psychiatrist, you're just hopeless.
00:35:49
Yeah. All you're saying is I can't do anything. Oh, man. Yeah. I can which means no one can Exactly And that she hadn been cured when she was released And the family doctor who a woman which is nice says that it her longtime patient
00:36:08
and there's no doubt of Louise as a victim of advanced melancholia with strong suicidal tendencies.
00:36:16
Which means she loves smashing pumpkins. Sorry. No, that's not good comedy. No, it's true.
00:36:23
It's not good comedy. Yeah. It wasn't. It's cheap. Doctors had told her father that unless she was committed once more,
00:36:33
there was a good chance she would kill herself or a family member. Oh. That's like way before the family member died.
00:36:40
Right. Meanwhile, Mina, our big ass, the wife, she's still in the hospital because of her burns.
00:36:45
She tells the police that Luis had been having hallucinations for months and had recently returned from the hospital.
00:36:51
and Louise believed that someone was trying to hurt her and was constantly watching out for an attack,
00:36:58
so she was a little paranoid. Her father, though, had insisted that she be released early from the hospital.
00:37:05
Despite warnings, doctors had warned him that Louise would behave violently, possibly towards him, but he insisted,
00:37:14
Louise had insisted she come home. She was his favorite daughter. She had a strong head for numbers.
00:37:20
Don't know what that means. Maybe she can guess future amounts of money. She's like, watch.
00:37:27
One, two, three, four, five, six, seven. Watch me. Don't you love that, Dad? And she spent every day with him at the butcher shop acting as the cashier.
00:37:38
I think she was kind of the bookkeeper. But so, let's see. So his funeral's held at Christ Church on Sunday, May 16th.
00:37:48
Luis is allowed to leave the hospital and attend with the rest of her sisters. and there's hundreds of curious townspeople.
00:37:55
That's you guys. Your ancestors. Your ancestors. We're looky-loos. They gather outside the house
00:38:02
and they watch the sisters like celebrities as they step into carriages to go to the funeral.
00:38:06
And they also notice that at the funeral, Luis refuses to look at the body of her father
00:38:13
as he lay in the casket. So she becomes the prime suspect. But then, on the day after the funeral,
00:38:20
Mina breaks, and she's in the hospital, she breaks in an interrogation by the police and confesses to what she says happened the morning of Louis' murder.
00:38:31
She says that when she came out of the bathroom, she found Louis, the daughter, wild-eyed and staring at her father as he lay in the bed, the flaming bed, and the bloody axe was at the ground on her feet.
00:38:43
So she like saw her. Yeah, she's like, my fucking daughter did it when I saw it.
00:38:48
So Mina said she screamed and ran into the room and tried to put the fire out, and that's why she has the burns, and then, you know, it went crazy.
00:38:56
And then they started to get rid of the evidence to protect Luis, is what she says.
00:39:01
So they take Luis from her hospital to her mother's hospital. Hi. They're like, hey, how are you?
00:39:08
And then they're hoping that Luis will confess by seeing her mother, and when Luis sits by her mother's bed with police witnessing,
00:39:16
She denies everything. And Luis gets angry. No, no, no. Mina gets angry and yells out, it's you or me.
00:39:23
Tell the truth. You were outside father's door when I came from the bathroom. You must tell the truth.
00:39:28
Tell the truth. But here's the thing. They spoke German, too. So they might have been like, don't say anything.
00:39:34
Tell the truth. This is German. Don't say anything. Tell the truth. Nine, nine, nine.
00:39:39
Tell the truth, please. Right. Right. Yeah. So, like, we don't know. Okay. Achtung.
00:39:46
It's the two I have. So let's see here. Louise denies knowing anything. She stares straight ahead blankly, which I'm sure was cool.
00:39:57
But she's the perfect scapegoat if it's not her. Right. The perfect scapegoat. Right.
00:40:02
And she stays silent. They both break into sobs, and they hold each other and cry.
00:40:08
It's very lovely. Mina later tells her attorney that she thinks Louise is the one who did it,
00:40:14
but she didn't see her do it, so she's not sure. So the police chief, O'Connor, your best friend,
00:40:21
believes that Louise is the only possible perpetrator, and they're confident enough in their findings that they arrest the daughter, Louise,
00:40:27
almost immediately after her encounter with her mom. She faints when the judge recounts the details of her father's death.
00:40:34
The judge, he's like, you can have an attorney, and she's like, God will be my attorney.
00:40:38
Uh-uh. I did not harm my father. Truly, I did not harm my father. Can you imagine God's attorney briefcase?
00:40:46
It would just be like huge and filled with clouds. Yeah. There's like a whole fish in it.
00:40:53
What? I don't know. He's like, it's not just one fish. Anyway, I'll show you later.
00:40:58
Thank you. First, let's do this court case. I'm not guilty, Your Honor. So the judge was like, honey, let us help you.
00:41:06
And was like, you can't enter a plea until you consult with an attorney. Her attorney ends up being one of the most famous attorneys in Minnesota history,
00:41:13
William D. Mitchell, who you guys love. That's right. He would eventually serve as the attorney general from 1929 to 1933.
00:41:24
So, which you guys love. Hometown pride, et cetera. So he enters the plea of not guilty for her.
00:41:31
And everyone believes Louise would have to be, have been crazy to have killed her father.
00:41:37
And so she becomes a sympathetic character in the media, like all the townspeople and everything.
00:41:43
are like, oh, fuck, that sucks. It's like her dad had been warned that she shouldn't get out of the mental institution,
00:41:49
and they were saying he basically killed himself by letting her out early when he was warned That a bit harsh Yeah it is So okay But then when the doctors like
00:42:05
study her and her mental health, they find her level, her level-headed, quick-witted and very
00:42:10
normal. And neighbors and friends are like, she's not, she's one of the smartest people in the
00:42:15
family. She's not fucking crazy. She just likes to stare sometimes. She likes to stare when her
00:42:21
mom is accusing her of murdering her dad. She's like, oh my God, my mom is accusing me of murdering
00:42:25
my dad. Yeah. I mean, what would you say? I'd go all wild eyed. Yeah. Yeah. I'd be like, fuck you,
00:42:34
Janet. You don't know me. Janet. Can I tell you guys really quickly on this trip, I've been
00:42:43
reading a book that was given to me by a listener at the first show that's called adult children of
00:42:50
emotionally immature parents. And I almost started crying when I, whenever you guys are like, I feel
00:42:59
like I know you, you know us. You do. It's truly. You do. And I was reading it and just laughing
00:43:04
out loud. I was like, uh-huh. Yeah. No, that's exactly what happened. What I loved is the, the
00:43:09
woman gave Georgia the book and she's just like, you know, like, I don't want to say anything,
00:43:13
but I loved this book. It helped me. And I've listened to the stories you've told and you might
00:43:17
find this interesting or whatever. And then they walk away. Georgia turns to me and goes,
00:43:21
can I have this? I was like, yeah, you sure can. It's for you. It was written with you and mine.
00:43:28
Scared you in the eye. Be like, no, that's mine. I don't want to be greedy, but your parents
00:43:35
sounded mature. They're pretty mature. Yeah. Yeah. You know, in a good way. Their flaws are
00:43:40
in other books. Yeah, exactly. It's not, it's just not that one. Yeah. So many books.
00:43:45
adult children of parents who wouldn't stop yelling even though there was no reason to yell
00:43:53
just fucking volume volume volume hey turn the light off it's like i'm right here
00:44:01
i'm literally feet away from you that's what the what's it called the the word the subtitle or the
00:44:08
working title yeah i didn't get that one because it wasn't an actor okay go ahead
00:44:14
Okay, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Where was I? Committed the crime. Okay. She's level-headed.
00:44:22
She's cool. She's funny. Brightest one in the family. So the grand jury meets, and they're like,
00:44:27
you know what we really don't want to do is indict this daughter for murder if she's got mental illness issues and also, like, you know, all this stuff.
00:44:37
They don't want to do that. It would look bad. And she's cool. And she's cool, you know.
00:44:41
But they end up having enough evidence to bring two indictments for homicide. One is for Luis, and the other is for the mother, Mina.
00:44:51
And they're like, we think you guys are going to crack on each other, and we'll get the real story.
00:44:56
But police no longer believe that Luis committed the crime, but she was an indirect cause of it.
00:45:01
And they thought Mina, the wife, had done it in a state of rage when she discovered conditions in the household.
00:45:08
Oh, okay. Here's what we have. Okay. Ready? I'm ready. She had a strong head for numbers and stuff
00:45:17
and was working beep-boop-bop on the calculator? Yep. It was an abacus. Abacus? It's 1909.
00:45:23
Thank you. You're welcome. That's what I meant. And there were, okay. And so of course it's 1909,
00:45:29
so there's just a lot of innuendo. No one will outright say anything. Conditions in the house
00:45:34
type of stuff. Conditions in the house. Right. There were rumors that the relationship
00:45:38
was one of, quote, inseparable companionship between the daughter and the father.
00:45:43
Just fucking say it. Yeah. According to newspapers, at home, she had been with him
00:45:50
as a comrade in the most intimate sense. So she's a socialist? Lock her up. Yeah.
00:46:01
so this like obviously shines a totally different light on the whole story and it's like did Mina do
00:46:08
it because she found out about that did Luis do it because she couldn't fucking stand it anymore
00:46:12
um and then so the grand so Mina's tried first her story about being in the bathroom for five
00:46:19
minutes um doesn't really hold up because it would have been impossible for Luis to grab the gas can
00:46:24
from the basement the axe which was out in the woodshed and do all that shit uh and then murder
00:46:29
her father, light him on fire in the five minutes that Mina said she was in the bathroom.
00:46:33
And then there's conflicting testimonies. And it seems like what happened was all the daughters,
00:46:37
the other four daughters were like, well, we're going to confuse the shit out of you.
00:46:41
We got our fucking sisters and our moms back. Fuck you. So they just kept telling different
00:46:46
stories that were weird and didn't make sense totally. And then they'd also say like, I don't
00:46:51
remember a lot. So they kind of were just trying to confuse. And the prosecutors didn't even want
00:46:57
to really be prosecuting this after they had found out all this information. So they had found out the night before the murder,
00:47:06
Lewis had had a meeting with a family friend, and Luis had been there as well, and he had been talking about selling the business and moving to Alaska.
00:47:15
So, yeah. Wouldn't that be hard in 1909? I think. A little bit difficult. Yeah. I mean, it's hard now.
00:47:22
Right. He's like, I'm not taking the family with me. I'm not taking my wife. The only person who's allowed to come with me is Luis.
00:47:31
His constant companion. That's right. Oh, they also called it a manifest friendship.
00:47:39
No. You're raping your daughter. It's all the worst. Yeah. No. But even the past, like we were trying to find a motive,
00:47:49
and maybe that was the motive for either of the mother or the daughter to kill him.
00:47:52
and so some think Mina could have been jealous of Luis's relationship with her father.
00:47:58
It's fucking not a relationship. No. and Luis was considered her father's real partner as the head of the house as well.
00:48:06
So like Mina would need money for household shit, and he'd say no, but then he'd give a ton of money.
00:48:12
Whenever Luis asked for money, he'd give her more than she needed. He put away money for her wedding, which he hadn't done for the other daughters.
00:48:19
And then someone said, a family friend said that Luis loved Luis more than any man ever loved his daughter.
00:48:25
they said that as a way to like be like there's no way she would have done it and it's like that's
00:48:32
the motive that's the way that's exactly the way that's just what happened um but since there's no
00:48:38
real motive the jury comes back with a verdict of not guilty for the mother and months later when
00:48:43
louise's trial is about to begin prosecutors are like fuck this shit and they dismiss dismiss the
00:48:48
charges against her the papers the papers accuse the police of stupidity and the public is shocked
00:48:55
that there's no one that's going to stand trial for this murder. And then later the Arbogast women all become partners in the butcher shop.
00:49:06
And they're like, it's like a sitcom. The Arbogast ladies are like, well, that didn't turn out how we thought it would be.
00:49:14
Let's take this fucking shit and not go to Alaska. Louise is the bookkeeper. Yes, she is.
00:49:21
She ends up marrying a man named Asher Webster and moves to Rochester, Michigan.
00:49:26
Sadly, she dies in 1930 at the age of 38 from apoplexy, which at the time meant heart attack or stroke.
00:49:34
Suspicious? No, it's not. People were dying all the fucking time back then. It was like a major pastime. That and baseball.
00:49:44
That and racism. Okay. No one has ever tried for the murder of Louis Arbogast again.
00:49:53
Police knew the crime had been committed by someone in the house, but they did not have enough evidence for a conviction.
00:50:00
The murders never solved, and it left people guessing if Louise did it because her father was molesting her, or if Mina did it because of the same fucking reason,
00:50:08
or if they did it fucking together. Maybe all the daughters were in on it. I remember there was clothes that had been washed in the bathtub.
00:50:15
and take too much time. So maybe it kind of seems from what I listen to Most Notorious,
00:50:20
to me it's like maybe Mina walked in on her daughter doing it and then was like, let's finish this up together.
00:50:27
Oh. Oh, right. Like, I got your back, girl. I got this. Okay. And so Louis is buried in the Oakland Cemetery in St. Paul, Minnesota,
00:50:38
and that is the murder of Louis Arbogast. Wow. Thanks. it's just so uh you know he doesn't sound like a great person but to burn to death yeah you don't
00:50:58
want that that's pretty rough no you don't want that um good one thank you yeah bro from the show
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pets age 0 to 10. I'm going to do Harry Hayward, the Minneapolis Bengali. Oh! It's another oldie, actually.
00:53:41
I almost, I was getting into one, and I was so excited because it's one of my favorites.
00:53:47
I won't be able to remember the name off the top. Your fairy favorite. When I say it, yeah, it's really the best.
00:53:53
I have no idea how it goes or who in it No it the one where the total sociopath daughter kills her mother and the maid Oh yeah It so good But you did it already So I was like all in it and like pulling pictures
00:54:06
and doing all this stuff. And then Jay's like, you guys did this. I'm like, yeah,
00:54:11
yes, of course. Sorry. But there's plenty. There's plenty to go around. Okay. So most of the information, I found this on the website Murder by Gaslight.
00:54:21
And if you guys have not gone on there, it's a great website that's all turn-of-the-century, old-fashioned murders, and real good pictures, drawings of people with knives.
00:54:33
I highly recommend. It's really well done. And the man that writes that website has also done a couple books.
00:54:39
It's really good. Okay. So we'll start. I will tell you about this woman here. Her name is Catherine Kitty Ging.
00:54:47
Hey, girl. Kitty Ging. That's the haircut I had. $100. And I had never spent more than like $40 on a haircut before that.
00:54:59
And it always turned out fine. And then I spent a hundred, sorry, this is not about me.
00:55:03
No, no, no, you can do it. Go, you got to get it out. I one time wrote a song that was all about, it was called, this is not the haircut I asked for.
00:55:12
And it was really, really slow and sad. And it was just all about how ugly do you think I am that you gave me that haircut?
00:55:21
yeah yeah it was pretty vicious sing it they're saying you don't fucking tell me
00:55:28
what to do who are these people anyway okay so this is Kitty Ging and Catherine Kitty to her friends very tall woman she is described as imposing and
00:55:45
handsome. Honey, that sucks. But no, because actually she's very popular with men.
00:55:54
Okay. That's what they were into back then. Yeah, it was a thing. She has huge hands.
00:56:02
She'll fucking throw a man over her shoulder and get it done. Let's do this. Okay.
00:56:08
She is from New York State. She moves to Minneapolis in the early 1890s because she has this ex-fiance
00:56:14
named Frederick Reed, and he won't accept that they're not going to get married.
00:56:21
So apparently the deal is Reed is a clerk at the Golden Rule department store. Any of those around anymore?
00:56:28
I got to go down to the Golden Rule and get some Spanx for the show. He asked Kitty to marry him.
00:56:33
She accepts. Then she later calls it off, but she doesn't give the ring back. She ends up carrying the ring in a little bag around her neck.
00:56:42
And then, so how fucking irritating is that? That she's like, oh, he won't get over me.
00:56:49
And where he's like, I just want my money back. So he's, she's like, he keeps following me around.
00:56:56
I have to move away. He won't accept that we've broken up. He's like, if I could just have the ring, I'll leave you alone.
00:57:02
Did I tell you when I broke off my engagement before I met Vince? Obviously. I gave the ring back immediately.
00:57:09
And then he texted me like, you're not going to believe how much money I got back for it.
00:57:12
I didn't think I'd get so much money. I'm like, I'm not happy for you, dude. High five, motherfucker.
00:57:18
Yeah. Okay, so in Minneapolis, Kitty gets a job as a dressmaker. She lives in an apartment building called the Ozark Flats.
00:57:30
Do you guys live there? Who lives there? I bet you live there. Whoever lives there gets a life-size poster of Zac Efron.
00:57:39
That's beautiful. Isn't it cool? So vintage. The Ozark Flats is a building owned by a man named William Hayward,
00:57:47
who's the patriarch of one of the most prominent and wealthy families in Minneapolis.
00:57:52
So Kitty starts a relationship with William's son, Harry Hayward. So Harry is a handsome playboy with a reputation for being a gambler and a cad.
00:58:03
Hot. Right? So Harry Hayward earns his money, like many of the wealthy elite, through theft, insurance, fraud, and counterfeiting.
00:58:14
But he always gets out of trouble with his wealth and charm. His charm is so intense that some people even believe he has hypnotic powers.
00:58:25
Maybe that mustache does. No, that's the haircut. That's definitely the haircut I have.
00:58:33
There's some fucked up bang. It's Steven. no you know who i think it is oh wait damn it that's what my fucking hair i forgot a photo right now
00:58:49
because if we go back one wait okay like you don't notice it at first you don't notice
00:58:55
the detail work on harry and then you're like what is it about him that's so hypnotic it's
00:59:02
those fucking bangs. Yeah. But this curl, if you get it's, you can't see the detail as well,
00:59:10
but this curl actually goes up. So it's like a reverse wave. It's like, if you take a picture
00:59:16
of a wave and you flip it, uh, but sorry, this was, I was going to say he looks like,
00:59:22
Oh, that's, that's who would play him in the movie of the week. Yeah. Oh yeah. He's a cat.
00:59:29
in it. You don't believe me? Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha.
00:59:43
Ha ha ha ha. Fucking dead on. Dead on. Great job. What happened to the right side of the mustache Oh it switched No I don know actually I texted Jay and I go how are your Photoshop skills
01:00:05
I have a funny joke I'd like to do. I mean, it's uncanny. Anyway. Anyway. Okay. So that's Harry.
01:00:18
Hypnotic Harry Hayward. So they get together. They're hanging out. He starts telling people around town that they're engaged, or they might be engaged.
01:00:31
But everyone's like, you're both dating other people. So no one really knows what's going on with the two of them.
01:00:37
But they do know that Kitty is incredibly charmed by Harry. All of his, you know, magnetism bullshit, hypnotic powers.
01:00:46
They're working on her like crazy. And she is also very interested in his get-rich-quick schemes.
01:00:52
She wants to live that lavish lifestyle. Sure. And he often declares that money is his god.
01:01:00
And so they're a match made in the deepest bowels of hell. When I hear money is his god, I think of how dirty money is.
01:01:10
Literally, it's just covered in feces. That's your god? I know! Okay, so. So basically, Harry's got these plans.
01:01:21
He's going to sell stolen jewelry and start trading in counterfeit money. And Kitty's like, I am down.
01:01:28
Whatever you want to do and whenever you want to do it. She also starts loaning him a lot of money because he's a big gambler.
01:01:34
So she's in it. And she's pretending to like all the bands he likes. And she watches sports all the time and pretends that she knows what's happening.
01:01:44
Oh, honey. It's the whole nine. Who among us hasn't pretended to be a totally different person
01:01:50
for the love of a bad man? So, don't judge Kitty. Amen. Don't you dare, right? We get it, Kitty, you handsome woman.
01:02:03
So, on December 3rd, 1893, Kitty and Harry meet for lunch, and over lunch, Harry asks Kitty
01:02:11
to help him in what he calls a, quote, green goods scandal. Oh, I'm sorry, a green goods deal.
01:02:16
He doesn't call it a scandal. That would be bad salesmanship. A green goods deal, which basically means that he's going to buy counterfeit money,
01:02:27
and he wants her to do it with him. So he gives Kitty $2,000, and he tells her to meet up with the janitor at the Ozark Flats apartment complex.
01:02:38
And his name, the janitor, is Klaus Blixt. Yes. Yeah. Do you know Klaus Blix? Blix.
01:02:50
Do you want to know who I think would play Klaus Blix? Yes, always. Of course I do.
01:02:54
Those are some piercing fucking eyes right there. I know. I think it would be from the Dollop podcast, Gareth Reynolds.
01:03:00
Do you know him? Oh. I see it. He can do a German accent. Yeah. I don't know if that guy's German.
01:03:09
I just. He's got to be. How could you say the name Klaus Blix and not do a German accent?
01:03:14
I love it. Klaus. It's, yeah. Okay. Okay. So the plan is that that night, Kitty and Klaus are going to go to the outskirts of town and wait for Harry.
01:03:26
And Harry is going to meet them there with the counterfeiters. And then they're going to do the deal.
01:03:30
Okay. So Kitty hires, she calls up the livery stable, the Gooseman livery stable, to get a horse and buggy.
01:03:39
And she specifically requests, because she uses a livery stable all the time, so she requests Lucy the horse.
01:03:47
Charming. Charming and wonderful. It's like horse Uber. You could do horse pool if you want to save a couple dollars.
01:04:02
Okay. Okay. The idea of getting into a car where you don't know the driver and you also don't know the passengers is my living nightmare.
01:04:12
And like, there's people who do it constantly. I've done it. Isn't it the weirdest?
01:04:16
Yeah. I mean, do you make conversations? Yeah. I've done it like twice. I wouldn't suggest it. Pay the extra $2. But if you're broke, shit.
01:04:27
Okay, you're right. I'm being elitist. I mean, maybe not at night. Don't do it at night. Don't do it. Okay.
01:04:32
Okay, okay. Okay, so at 7.08 p.m., Lucy and the buggy arrive at the West Hotel. I'm sure someone was driving it, but there's no one says for sure.
01:04:45
Lost to history. Lucy was the kind of horse who could just be like, just head over to the West Hotel.
01:04:50
There's going to be a lady named Kitty waiting for you. She's like, got it. She does its thing with her hoof a couple times.
01:05:02
that says I'll be back in two hours, and she heads out. So when the horse and buggy arrive, Kitty gets in and rides away.
01:05:11
So two hours later at 9, 10 p.m., Lucy the horse returns to the Gooseman livery,
01:05:17
but there's no one inside the buggy. Yes, it's empty. So Kitty was the one driving it.
01:05:24
Okay. Yeah. So soon after, on Excelsior Boulevard on the outskirts of Minneapolis.
01:05:30
you still there love that road oh is that the best most historical road sorry i'm about to lose my mind um okay i can't be doing that at this part okay soon after on
01:05:48
excelsior boulevard on the outskirts of minneapolis kitty ging is found lying in a pool of blood and
01:05:53
her skull has been crushed oh no so the police assume when they come to look at it that kitty has been in a horse and buggy accident basically And so immediately the death is ruled an accident or you know assumed to be ruled an accident
01:06:08
But then they take the body to the morgue. And when it's examined, the doctor notices something that they didn't see at the scene that makes him doubt that ruling of accidental death.
01:06:20
And that is that there is a bullet lodged behind her left eye. Jesus. Yeah. That'll do it.
01:06:27
Yes. And then that doctor was like, it is my professional opinion that the horse did not do this.
01:06:36
I'm a genius. Lucy the horse is innocent. Yeah. Can't hold a gun with two hooves.
01:06:43
It's physically and medically impossible. Okay. So now it's on. It's a murder investigation.
01:06:50
and the police are trying to confirm that the dead woman is in fact Kitty Gang. So they go and question all the residents and workers at the Ozark Flats apartments.
01:07:00
And almost immediately, here comes Harry Hayward coming forward and saying that it has to be Kitty
01:07:05
because he had loaned her $2,000 earlier that day. And I swear to God I had written on here somewhere the modern-day equivalent
01:07:15
because it was fucking a crazy amount. I mean, 2018 whatever the fuck? Yeah, it's 1890, at this point, 1894.
01:07:24
So maybe it's 200,000. I think it was 500,000. That's what I was going to say. We'll see.
01:07:32
It might come up. Okay. So here's what I'm saying. Okay, so Harry's telling the cops, look, I loaned her $2,000 in public, in daylight, in a restaurant.
01:07:45
Someone must have seen us. and then followed her out that night and robbed her and killed her.
01:07:51
And the cops were like, okay. So they first go and talk to Frederick Reed, her ex-fiance,
01:08:00
because they're trying to trace it back. And when they bring him in for questioning,
01:08:05
they interrogate him for several hours, but his alibi is solid, and so he's released.
01:08:11
Then they bring in the next suspect, which is a woman named Miss Lillian Allen. Lillian Allen.
01:08:16
and that's right. She was a famed British singer at the time and whose brother was on Game of Thrones.
01:08:27
No, so this Lily Allen and Kitty were rivals over Frederick. And so they bring Lily in thinking she has basically killed Kitty out of jealousy
01:08:40
because she wouldn't get that ring back and stuff. But then Lily has a solid alibi, so they have to let her go.
01:08:46
Then they search Kitty's apartment for clues, and they find a ripped-up note that reads,
01:08:53
I cannot marry you. And they discover and trace back that the author of this note is a man named Harvey Axford.
01:09:00
So Harvey's a traveling salesman who's known Kitty for around seven years, and they'd been involved, but Harvey ultimately told Kitty he couldn't marry her
01:09:11
because it turns out he was already married. I could have guessed that one. Yeah.
01:09:15
Yeah, you could tell by the Harvey Axford in his name. You know, he walks around like this.
01:09:23
A lot of winking from Harvey Axford, you can tell. He's a big winker. He's a big, maybe a big gooster.
01:09:32
That's how it was back then. Deal with it. So when they talked to Kitty's neighbors,
01:09:40
police learned that hours before her murder that they heard Harvey and Kitty talking in her apartment.
01:09:47
So they're like, this is the guy. But again, he has a super solid alibi, so they have to release him.
01:09:52
So then they decide they're going to go back and question Harry Hayward. And he, of course, has a good alibi.
01:10:00
He tells the authorities that he was with his friend Thomas A. Waterman for most of the night of the murder.
01:10:05
And then when he left Thomas, he went on a date to the Minneapolis Grand Opera House
01:10:10
to see a musical called A Trip to Chinatown. With Cher in it? Yeah, Cher. Oh, and part of his alibi is he was there on a date
01:10:24
with a woman named Mabel Bartleson. Oh, honey. Easily the most unattractive name I've ever heard.
01:10:31
Are you swallowing a burp or are you saying someone's name? Mabel Bartleson. Mabel Bartleson.
01:10:39
Aw. okay but Mabel Barrelson is his alibi and um because he has this alibi and because he's been
01:10:50
so willing to help with the investigation all the way along the cops are like it's not this guy
01:10:54
and so they keep on investigating people and they're about to eliminate Harry as a suspect
01:10:59
until they question Harry's older brother Adrie so several hours after several hours of questioning
01:11:07
Adrie breaks and spills the beans. Or, as they say in Minneapolis, he Mabel Bartleson's all over the interrogation room.
01:11:19
Oh, Karen. It's been five months. Five months. You've been saving that one up. I'm sorry, but I laughed so fucking hard
01:11:35
when I wrote that in the hotel room. This is what I'm in it for. Okay. Okay. You got this. Thank you. We're going to make it to page
01:11:49
eight. Okay. So Adrienne admits to the cops that Harry has been plotting Kitty's murder
01:11:54
for weeks. It turns out that Harry had persuaded Kitty to take out a life insurance policy for
01:12:00
herself with Harry as the beneficiary. Yes. This was before Dateline when people didn't know not to
01:12:07
do that. He then goes to his brother, Adrie, and he asks Adrie to murder Kitty for him to be his
01:12:15
hitman. Of course, Adrie refuses. Their interaction scares him so much, though, his own brother,
01:12:21
his little brother, that on November 30th, 1894, Adrie goes to the family lawyer, a man named Levi
01:12:28
Stuart and tells him what Harry has asked him to do. But Levi Stuart is like, okay, talk to you
01:12:34
later and doesn't do anything and doesn't take it seriously. So meanwhile, because his older brother
01:12:41
said no, Harry goes to the Ozark Flats janitor, Klaus Briggs, and he asks him to be the hit man.
01:12:50
And Klaus also tries to refuse, but Harry won't take no for any answer. And he keeps going back
01:12:56
and visiting Klaus every day in his basement room at the Ozark Flats, and he alternates between making Klaus grand promises of financial reward
01:13:04
and just outright threatening him until he finally says he'll do it. So, Blixt explains to the police how weirdly controlling Harry is,
01:13:13
saying, quote, he fixed me with his eyes. Oh, it should be a German accent. He fixed me with his eyes.
01:13:21
I won't do that. He fixed me with his eyes. I couldn't say no when he looked at me that way.
01:13:28
Nobody could. At one point, Blix says that Harry's tone becomes violent and he says to Klaus,
01:13:36
every time I go up to her room and she puts her arms around me, I would like to put a knife in the goddamn bitch.
01:13:43
Oh. Wait, there's more. If there was a dog and her, I would rather shoot her and let the dog go.
01:13:52
Oh, what a dick. This is just small talk for Harry. Klaus is like, anyway, I have to go mop a bunch of stuff, so...
01:14:03
Okay. Both Klaus Blix and Adri Hayward tell the police that they believe that Harry has somehow hypnotized them.
01:14:15
Yes. So this was a time where mesmerism was kind of big and culturally a thing. And people were like, oh, you can be controlled.
01:14:22
You know, someone can control you with their mind. And they also, it was also, well, this was around the time where this is why Harry Hayward would later be referred to as the Minneapolis Spengali.
01:14:35
And if you don't know who Spengali is, I didn't either. Don't worry about it. We can always ask Wikipedia.
01:14:43
And it says, Spengali is a character from the 1895 novel Trilby by Georges de Maurier.
01:14:50
And in it, Spengali transforms a young woman named Trilby. Why? into a great singer by using hypnosis.
01:14:57
Oh. And then she's unable to perform without Svengali's help, and then she becomes entranced by him.
01:15:02
And the name usually refers to a person with evil intent who dominates, manipulates, and controls someone,
01:15:07
usually an artist. Pretend like you always knew that. Here's a picture of... That's Svengali, and that's Trilby.
01:15:17
Okay. And I think... Racist. Yes, for sure. Got it. Very much so. You think what?
01:15:25
Well, I was going to say, I think the person that would play him in the movie of the week is clearly.
01:15:31
Oh, yeah. A hundred percent. The Wicked Witch of the West, Margaret Hamilton. Yeah.
01:15:39
So I just, I saw this and I was like, oh my God, I've done it again. Right? High-fiving myself.
01:15:45
Then I remembered this story. Do you guys know that in 1973, they actually had Margaret Hamilton appear on Sesame Street?
01:15:53
And it traumatized children so badly, they never ran the episode again. Oh, my God.
01:16:01
Literally, she flew over Sesame Street, dropped her broom. Gordon got the broom.
01:16:06
And wouldn't give it back because he's like, why are you on Sesame Street? And then she starts threatening people that she's going to turn Big Bird into like a feather duster.
01:16:14
and she's going to turn Gordon into something else. And the only person that likes her is Oscar the Grouse.
01:16:20
Yeah. This is just, I tell the story to the millennials because you think we're exaggerating when we say that in the 70s
01:16:30
they did not care about children. And this is just one more piece of proof. Yeah.
01:16:37
Let's scare the shit out of them today. On their favorite show. Yeah, on the calmest, chillest show where it's like,
01:16:44
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12. A witch. Okay. Anyway. That was great. That was quite a sidebar.
01:16:58
Sorry, we're almost done. We loved it. We're here for it. That's good. Don't, don't, don't.
01:17:04
I reject it. I reject you. I reject you, Satan. So on December 6, 1894, three days after Kitty's murder,
01:17:11
police arrest Harry and his older brother, Adrie, and the next day they arrest janitor Klaus Blixt.
01:17:18
Now I'm mispronouncing his name because of my German accent. Klaus Blixt is scheduled to be
01:17:23
tried first, and then Harry's scheduled to be tried second, but the prosecutors end up switching
01:17:28
the dates because they're afraid that if Klaus is tried and found not guilty, then they will not be
01:17:33
able to prosecute Harry. So on January 21st, 1895, Harry's trial begins. And the lawyer,
01:17:41
William Irwin, is considered the best lawyer in the area. And basically what he's, his strategy
01:17:47
is he's going to say that Adrie is insane. And so that basically takes out, that makes his whole
01:17:52
story non and that his testimony can be used But the judge disagrees saying quote Well I don see that he any more insane at present time than the attorney is
01:18:05
That's not good. Damn, Daniel. So at one point in the trial, Harry is called to give his account of what happened.
01:18:15
He denies any involvement. He accuses his brother, Adrie, and Klaus Blitz of the ones who planned killing Kitty.
01:18:23
So the prosecution, they call 136 witnesses to the stand, including Adri and Klaus.
01:18:31
And Adri and Klaus deliver the most convincing testimonies. And the whole thing lasts for 46 days.
01:18:38
On the last day, Friday, March 8, 1895, the jury deliberates for just under three hours.
01:18:44
So they're like, do we even have to leave the room or can we just say? Let's get this over with.
01:18:49
45 days in today's fucking time. That's 14 years, ladies and gentlemen. That's a spinoff podcast of your podcast.
01:19:01
How many days in day's time? Right. Three days later, oh, sorry, after those three hours,
01:19:08
they come back and find Harry Hayward guilty of first-degree murder, and three days later, the judge sentences him to death by hanging.
01:19:15
Oh, shit. Despite this death sentence, Harry seems to be in good spirits. Great. Yeah, under that I just wrote psychopath. Psychopath. He maintains his innocence. Oh, no.
01:19:32
Almost there. You're almost there. He maintains his intimates coffee cake. Mmm, delicious. He maintains his innocence. Help me.
01:19:44
You've got this. Thank you. He jokes around with the reporters and in prison, of course,
01:19:49
he charms his way into getting a bunch of special permission for things because he is the way he is,
01:19:56
and then, of course, tries to escape at one point. So then they catch him. They are ashamed that they
01:20:02
were tricked, and they put him in isolation. And then on December 10th, the evening before the
01:20:08
hanging, Harry agrees to give a full confession. So his cousin, Edward H. Goodsell, interviews him
01:20:17
while a court stenographer takes down the transcript. And basically, in this interview,
01:20:23
Harry admits that not only to the murder of Kitty King, but also to illegal gambling, arson,
01:20:31
and, oh, three more murders. So, yeah, the first murder he admits to is of a 20-year-old girl he met in Pasadena, California.
01:20:41
What? What? He lured her, oh, there it is. he lured her into a secluded area of the Sierra Madres,
01:20:48
which is a national forest. So I'm like, the secluded area of the Sierra Madres?
01:20:54
That one corner that's away from all the other trees? What the fuck are you talking about?
01:21:00
A secluded area of the Sierra Madres. He robs her of $7,000. $7,000, which is in today's money.
01:21:07
$600,000. $800,000. $900,000. It's $188,000. shit what i said did i say 200 first no i mean like way back can i
01:21:19
he robs her of her a ton of money shoots her in the back of the head and buries her in the woods
01:21:26
okay then he robs and murders a consumptive near long beach new jersey and takes two thousand dollars
01:21:35
from that person, from that man, which is $54,000 today. That's right. And dumps his body in the Shrewsbury River.
01:21:45
And the third murder was of a Chinese man in New York. They got into a fight over a card game.
01:21:51
Harry beats him up. And then, get ready, and if you don't like bad things, put your fingers in your ears.
01:21:57
What are you doing here? Oh, this is the second get the fuck out. Oh, no. He beats him up and then jabs the pointy leg of a chair into the man's eye and sits down on the chair and kills him.
01:22:15
Oh, God. That sucks. Just in case you're on the hot guy's side. Wow. So, then, at midnight on December 11th, 1895, Harry is led to the gallows.
01:22:39
And when asked if he has any last words, he rambles on giving a flippant narcissistic monologue.
01:22:46
Amen. Shocker. But he does, at the 11th hour, finally tell everyone that his older brother, Adrie, had nothing to do with the murder.
01:22:54
And here's a picture of him right before. What? Right before his hanging. Is that real?
01:23:00
Yeah. I'm scared. It's either real or it's a film test with Ben Affleck playing him in the biopic that we're going to make.
01:23:11
I am scared. We're all going to have nightmares tonight. Yeah. He's not great. Well, you might be happy to know that they finally pull the lever.
01:23:20
He drops. But like any blowhard sociopathic narcissist, he doesn't die right away.
01:23:28
He hangs for 10 minutes. Holy shit. Don't forget the chair thing, though. His death is finally declared at 2.25 a.m.,
01:23:37
and that is the hypnotic story of the Minneapolis. Thank God. Wow. Whoo. Great fucking job.
01:23:50
That was great. Yeah. What a dick. Right? Do we have time for a hometown Thank you Here comes Vince Oh
01:24:05
Let's do it. Hometown. Hometown time. I'd like to know more about this 20-year-old woman with the equivalent of $188,000.
01:24:15
Yeah. Quite a sum. How dare you. I'll be out and about over there by that exit sign.
01:24:21
Okay. Thank you. Thank you. All right. A couple rules. We know you're excited. It's exciting.
01:24:32
Everybody thinks they have the best story. I hate this. But here's a couple ways that we're going to guide you to realize whether or not you do have the best story.
01:24:42
Let us help you. First of all, it should be local, definitely to Minnesota, but hopefully to this area, Minneapolis or St. Paul, or the outlying regions.
01:24:55
We love an accent. But honestly, if you come up here with some, this happened in Dallas, everyone hates your guts.
01:25:04
I don't know, like, how else to convey that to people. But people are always like, I'm the exception to the rule.
01:25:09
You're not. You're it. Please. It should be a concise story that you know all the details to that has a beginning, a middle, and an end, please.
01:25:18
And that's not just for tonight. That's for life. for real don't make people listen to you
01:25:28
work your dumb shit out all the time and then also no go ahead I think that's it
01:25:36
you can't be so drunk you can't tell your own story don't point at someone whose story you don't know
01:25:40
because I'll fucking come after you and good luck ladies and gentlemen remember Stacey had a great one
01:25:48
can I have the lights up if possible Look at this I'm so scared I hate you Oh my god
01:25:55
Whoa Now with the fan Wow Go that way Be careful you guys Jesus Christ Look how way up they are
01:26:06
Oh my god Hi Holy crap Yes Nice work Gravity is working up there Yeah Amazing That's scary
01:26:18
It's horrifying Here she is. Hi. What's your name? Nicole? Nice to meet you. It's Nicole, everybody.
01:26:31
Nicole. Here you go. Come here. Nicole, where are you from? I think it's on. It's on.
01:26:40
Yeah. Okay. I live in South St. Paul. Great. Go Packers. No? Okay. And cougars. I'm really nervous.
01:26:56
I know, right? It's scary. What do you do for a living? I'm a teacher and a theater director?
01:27:03
Yeah! I just closed High School Musical a couple weeks ago. Are you serious? We're all in this together.
01:27:13
You got this. So, when we were searching for a house about five years ago, five and a half years ago, we had a realtor who was very hip, like
01:27:24
the hippest realtor ever. He's in a band and he has a construction company. Anyway, so we're
01:27:30
looking for houses in South St. Paul, St. Paul, and we're in Como area. Everybody knows
01:27:35
where Como is. It's by seven point, it's by seven corners. Not really, but okay. Okay.
01:27:45
So we're in that area looking at a house that we can afford, and our realtor tells us there's this house nearby that's like $150,000 less.
01:27:55
You're getting excited. That's like $150,000 less. It's a craftsman bungalow with all the woodwork.
01:28:03
It's what we want, right? We can't afford the taxes, but we're in the area, so we say F it and go over there, right?
01:28:10
Yeah, you know. Okay, so... So we go in the house, and it's gorgeous right away, but I turn to my husband, and I say to him,
01:28:22
something's weird, and I'm not usually a person who would ever vocalize that. So
01:28:26
we're looking around. Our son is with us. He was four or three or four at the time,
01:28:33
and he's running around the house, you know, like kids do. He's in the bathtub and up and down the
01:28:38
stairs. And yeah. So the realtor says, hey guys, can you come in the kitchen for a second? I hadn't
01:28:54
been in the kitchen yet. And so there's sticker, like leftovers of stickers on the cabinets, on the,
01:29:03
you know, and none of the hardware is there. It's a beautiful like farmhouse kitchen. And I was like,
01:29:07
oh, this is amazing, but why is all the hardware gone? And why do I feel creepy?
01:29:12
And so our realtor says, come and look at this, and he's got the disclosures. And he says, I've been doing this for 15 years,
01:29:19
and I have never seen this. And we had actually been joking about, like, what if we see a murder house,
01:29:25
and we pull up the carpet to see the wood floors, and there's a blood stain. And we were very excited about the possibility of that happening.
01:29:32
To be truthful. Well, and so he shows us the page, and the number one disclosure says, quote, unquote,
01:29:40
house is the site of a former crime. That's it. And he's like, I've never seen this in the state of Minnesota.
01:29:49
You do not have to disclose, as far as I know, that it's a murder house. Okay. I do.
01:29:54
All right. And so I like this is super weird We go out to the garage We poking around in the garage and our kid is like up in the loft and he like almost falls down and I like okay we got to get out of this joint
01:30:05
So we leave, and of course, we get in the car. What's the first thing I do? Go, go.
01:30:12
Yes. And so my husband's like, are you seriously doing that? And I'm like, yeah.
01:30:16
Yes, I am. This is, like, my dream come true slash my nightmare come true. And so it's both.
01:30:22
And so it turns out, so there was this couple, nice young couple, bought this house, had a little boy, 18-month-old boy.
01:30:33
The husband was kind of a ne'er-do-well. He'd been in prison prior, had a drinking problem, but had kicked it when he met the love of his life.
01:30:42
She was a young Target executive. A little shout-out Target. Up and coming, very popular in the company, and everybody knew her.
01:30:50
in. So one day, actually on New Year's Eve, he had gone to their parents' house. He had stolen
01:30:55
a handgun out of the closet. And it turns out he had kind of had enough of his wife getting on him
01:31:03
about drinking. She had found a bottle of vodka in their car after they got back from church, you
01:31:08
know. And he decided that was the night, I think it was January 6th, 2013. Yeah, January 6th. Okay.
01:31:20
Um, sorry. And, uh, so he had come home, shot her in the head while the 18 year old was in bed.
01:31:27
18 month old. 18 month old, not year old. Yes. Got it. That would be. Yeah. Um, and I don't know.
01:31:33
I never did find out if he left the kid at home or if he took him with to go to the hardware
01:31:36
store to get the supplies. So he came home and in the bathtub where my child was playing, dismembered her body.
01:31:49
this guy's name and i don't even want to say it but his name was fucking steven steven johnson and i think her name was like mina or mina um anyway so he puts her in totes
01:32:04
and then sticks her in the garage where we hung out for a while right so a couple days goes by go
01:32:10
by and he oh and he had gone and parked her car at the car park where she parked every day
01:32:14
and then he sent her a text to throw off the case. Just so gross, right? And he called her mom and chatted with her and stuff.
01:32:25
So, yeah. So eventually he calls one of his buddies from prison who lives in White Bear Lake.
01:32:31
Go Bears, right? We only have 20 more minutes. Okay, and he says, hey, I got something to store in your garage.
01:32:42
You mind if I do that? So he figures out what it is. And he does the right thing because he was on parole and he calls the police.
01:32:48
And as far as I know, he's down in Stillwater still. So stay sexy and don't get in the tub.
01:32:57
Did you buy the house? We did not buy the house. We couldn't afford the taxes. That's it.
01:33:02
That was amazing. That was so good. Perfect. Nicole, everyone. Nicole, everybody.
01:33:11
Excellent job. Great job. Do you want that Zac Efron? Oh, wait. Yeah. Give her the...
01:33:18
We're giving you... We can't take it. Yeah. Take care of Zac Efron for us. Love him like we loved him.
01:33:32
We would have taken him home. We'd have to buy him an extra ticket. Yeah. Just can't. That's crazy.
01:33:38
You guys. My heart and my bladder are so full. Right now. Thank you so much. That was an amazing, amazing show.
01:33:46
You guys are a great, great crowd. Thank you. I was just saying, I was saying to Vince, because I love jinxing shit, how fucking incredible
01:33:59
and easy and like well this tour has gone and how lucky we are that like it's been fucking
01:34:06
cool. Yeah. And it's all because you guys are here for us and support us and sell out fucking theaters
01:34:11
so we have to do another night. Yeah. It's amazing. Our minds are blown constantly.
01:34:19
And it's so awesome because when we do get to meet people after, like every person that comes up
01:34:24
is somebody that we feel like we know and we would hang out with. We're all the same.
01:34:29
It's so fucking hilarious. Yeah. And it's such a great feeling. It's such a beautiful thing to see too,
01:34:35
to watch you guys build this community and connect with each other and support each other.
01:34:39
and we get the fucking credit for it, but you guys are the ones that are doing it,
01:34:44
and we will never, ever be able to thank you enough. So thank you so, so much. And of course, please stay saved and do God's missions.
01:35:00
That's first and foremost. But more than that, stay sexy. And thanks, Minneapolis.
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