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Goodbye. Hello and welcome to my favorite murder. this is this is georgia this is a delay episode where there's a delay we're still at home
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that's karen kilgara that's georgia hart stark yes we just pointed at each other through the
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computer screen oh you should see us pointing oh that's the point i'm sorry that's content that
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you have to pay extra for we're not recording it wait what wait you do wait oh yeah i'm selling
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all this on eBay. Did you not hear? Did you not hear about how I'm illegally selling everything
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from our show on eBay? I would have put makeup on. I know. Sorry, sorry. It's more natural if
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you don't have it on. I have to say I do put on makeup just for us in the zoom only because
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it's like the one time or two times a week where it's like, well, it's almost like a fun thing to
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do. I'm like, Hey, remember, remember makeup? I appreciate it. And whenever someone wears makeup
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or like looks nice and I don't, I'm like, oh, sorry. Oh, shoot. Oh, shit. Oh, shit.
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I just, all my makeup's going to go bad. My fucking foundation already starting to smell.
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I know. I know. I mean, oh, it's so awful. Also, I think we've talked about this, but I'm getting worse at doing makeup.
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The longer it goes and the less practice I have. Yeah. I mean. It's all going out the fucking window.
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It's going, it's a little bit crazy. All bets are off. And what are we trying to prove?
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I like the idea that if this if the new norm of entertainment is going to be just people at home on Zoom, then not wearing makeup could be the new norm of being on Zoom.
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It's like, let's all admit that people are pretty unattractive there. If they don't have like special effects helping their face and they're over 22, they're lighting.
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They're not great. and everyone else can relax a little bit and feel better. You know, it's been a real, I think, hit to a lot of people's understanding of what they look like
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and what, you know, if they're attractive or not, is having to watch your little square of your face and what it looks like when you're talking on Zoom
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and being like, why am I doing that with my mouth all the time? For real. For real.
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And I also can't get, you can't get rid of your own face. Can you? You can't. Well, yeah, you can change the view.
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So it's the gallery view and everyone's the same size. Yeah, I don't want to see.
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No, I don't want to be in that gallery. I don't either. Because you know what? I'm so self-obsessed.
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The second my face is as big as your guys, I'm like, but what's going on over here?
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Look at those pores. Did you see what I did with this eyebrow versus this eyebrow?
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No, let me see. Well, this one just I kind of was I was very intense about this one.
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That one looks like it's asking a sexy question. Hello. What? What's in your pants?
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what's in your pants is karen's fucking pickup line hello it's like it's like a naughty version of what's in your wallet
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hey you're the new spokesperson for pants for cargo pants for dockers yeah but then this eyebrow is a little bit more like
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oh you caught me at a bad time and you know something bad is happening in the world i have
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eyelid acne. Can you see that? Oh, no. Yes, I do. It's like I wouldn't have noticed it. Yeah,
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I think it's from laying on the couch for six hours in a row. Oh, God. Can I show you I'm in
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bed right now. Look at my disgusting how gross my pillowcases. Oh, yes. I just noticed this is
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one of those zit stickers attached to my pillowcase. Well, they haven't made those in 25 years.
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it's like you have nothing but time to change your pillowcase that's all you can do is and
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investigate these things and yet you don't do it no you don't look at the bare mints that's that
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reminds me of my favorite tom papa has the best joke and he was like do you ever look at your pillowcase and go like it looks like a Civil War bandage Yeah it better than that obviously
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I just cared better by laughing so loudly. So sorry to everyone at home. That's the joke that I wish I wrote so bad.
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I think it's something about being a single man. You know it's a single man when his pillowcase looks like a Civil War bandage.
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Yeah, guys, girls just change it before you come over. We are just as disgusting.
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Speaking of, I wanted to go ahead and start this episode by congratulating all the graduates out there.
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Oh, poor dads, poor grads. What a shitty June you're going to have. But yes, congratulations.
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Yeah, there's a lot of them and they've been tagging us with their graduation from home caps with, you know, stay out of the forest and stuff on it.
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So congrats to all of you guys. You guys got so ripped off. You really did. Well, not that fun. It's I will say this when I remember very distinctly graduating from high school. I oh, yes, I remember it. But you graduated. I did. But I do remember thinking as I was wearing like the cap and gown and walking down. I was just like, this feels like it should feel like some like more. And it doesn't. Yeah, it doesn't feel like I barely did homework in high school. I don't know how I graduated because I really half assed it the entire time.
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and it just had that feeling of like oh this is one of those landmark moments of my young life
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that again doesn't have that like john hughes movie feeling i kept thinking it would it's the
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first of many disappointments in your adult life everyone yeah so welcome as join us they it's the
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class of 2020 gets it a way bigger disappointment but then because of that then they get like obama
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coming in to be like, we love you guys the most. And your teacher's showing up to your house and shit to throw you cookies or I don't know
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what they're doing. What are they doing? I don't know. No, but it is, I keep seeing the videos where it's like people being super proud that they
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graduated from high school, which is so beautiful and great. And then teachers coming up and it is that thing, you know what it is, it's between the
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students and the teachers, they know what the accomplishment is. And so the fact that they don't get to kind of do that together is really sucks.
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But then I think they're getting it a little bit more because of it. Yeah. Like a little extra like the kids who have like their birthdays around like on Christmas and like their parents make a bigger deal of it.
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Yes. It's a bummer. Which one? Asher or Lee? Just say it. None of us. You're like, again, we're Jewish.
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It would have been Hanukkah. I'm not going to tell you again. My brother's birthday is on Hanukkah every year.
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It's a different day every year. He does it on purpose. He does it for the attention.
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There's no way his birthday keeps changing. And yet I told them there's no way. But they told me you're making a problem.
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My sister sent her student. Well, they are kindergartners. So they just to them.
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This is school. You just kind of bail out of school in March. Like they don't know.
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But she sends them. She's been sending them mail so that they just have little aside from her.
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videos that she where she reads some stories and um she sent everybody some stickers um in the mail
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and then basically saying i miss you and you know like whatever and then she's sending me the
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pictures of them the parents taking the pictures of when they open their mail and get their stickers
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and it's gotta do that the cutest yes i've just been sending my nephews expensive toys
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good and it didn't think of like didn't even cross my mind to do something like personal
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and kind. Yeah. My friend Albertina, I walked to the mailbox today because I also never get my mail
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because I rarely get it. And I went to the mailbox today and pulled out a postcard from my friend
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Albertina who was like, hey, I just wanted you to know in this strange time that I really care
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about you. You're my good friend. Also, I just bought 100 postcards. Oh my God. That's so smart.
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It made me laugh so hard. Yeah. I think old fashioned mail. It's a great time to support
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the postal service anyway but everybody loves getting mail everybody okay you guys the book
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club is out postcard sending is in we can do both everyone no we can't do both it'll be anarchy we
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are not quitting the book club i am i i'm forcing myself to finish that goddamn book i realized
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after i suggested my book two weeks ago um by karen slaughter that i didn't put a trigger warning
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for every single thing that's ever happened to a person in their entire fucking life is happening
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in that book yes it is like there's fucking snuff porn there's like kidnapping like it's like she
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writes these you know like gone girl style books but they're fucking gnarly yeah so i should have
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said i don't think i realized how deep it got because i was just in the beginning of it yeah
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so i should have trigger warned that yeah but you know we are talking to mostly adults where there's
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we know there's a couple 13 year olds out there. What's up, Paula? You don't have to be in school.
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But for the most part. And then I found out, someone tagged me that the Emotionally Immature Parent book that I
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had like randomly mentioned and got the title wrong was like trending on one of the like
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book sites. Yes. And I didn't even say it right. So I want to tell everyone it's called Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents by
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Lindsay C. Gibson. Awesome. And it's really good. So if you need it, which I didn't realize how many people would need it.
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Yes. That's what it's called. Yeah. I think that's, I love the title of that book.
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It's so specific. And I bet you there's people who heard the title and went, I didn't know I could read a book like that.
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Right. Right. It's great. It's really helpful. And so let see I piggyback that because this is an audio book that I just got because I saw someone else recommending the author Her name is Maria Konnikova and she just wrote a new book
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I think I read something by her. Go on. So, well, I sent it to you because I was halfway through and freaking out.
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So I was going to read the new book that I watched someone recommend to somebody else on Twitter.
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And then when I got into the audio book shop on my phone, she had a book called The Confidence Game.
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And it's about con men and why we fall for con men. It's like the human psychology of how you're being manipulated by con men when you are.
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And what you want. Like, that's why you're getting it. It's not because of just them being good, right?
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Right. You want something from them, too. Well, it's that they're playing on these human truths that we all we all think we're a little bit smarter than the average person.
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We think that we can see things other people other other people can't see. And we think that we're lucky.
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We think there's all these very interesting studies that have been done that like.
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So when you walk up to like a three card money game and maybe you need a little bit of money, there's some a voice inside you that tells you I could win this.
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I'm feeling lucky. That's what happens to every person because they're getting worked by that whole.
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And also that con men almost never work alone. So when you watch other people win a three card money game or one of those street games,
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you're watching a shill win the game, a fake person who's working in tandem with the con
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man. And then that's what pulls you in is other people going, I can't believe it.
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I just won $50. Yeah. This book, man, do they still have those on the street? I feel like in every 80s movies, there was a fucking three card Monty game happening on whatever street and you just don't see it anymore.
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You don't see it as much because I think people are a little more hip to them. But what you get nowadays is stuff online.
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And it's that kind of stuff that with older people, it's, you know, it's the they call it the grandma scam where it's your grandchild fell for one the other day.
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Are you serious? And I'm like, I would never fall for that. I'm not stupid. Like, I figured I would have known it.
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There was no link or anything. So it was just what I thought from my stepdad's email saying, hey, I can't get into my Amazon account.
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Can you just get me a $200 gift card for my nephew's birthday? Yeah. And I was like, OK, sure.
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No problem. And then. Yeah. And I would have done it. Yeah. It's really embarrassing.
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But I said, check it. Vince was like, oh, John just fucking said his email got like.
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Yes. See, so it just seemed it was so simple. It wasn't like click this link. It was his email address.
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It wasn't a shit ton of money. Yep. Yeah. It made sense. It wasn't $1,000. So you didn't go, he wouldn't ask for that.
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That's weird. It was just enough to be believable. I was like, man, you spent a lot of money on your nephew.
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But who am I to say? Who am I to judge? I'm going to get you out of this bind. And then there's people who like, so that was one that they know exactly who they're
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talking to and how to get money out of those people. And now it's like worse than it's ever been.
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And anyway, the book is called The Confidence Game. The author is Maria Konnikova, and she's also the narrator, which I love because you can feel the people being the expert and talking.
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And no offense to the voiceover actors that do a great job. But when the author is the one telling you the story and it's their expertise, I feel like I absorb it so much quicker.
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And anyway, I just like I listened to that book in two days. It was it was so fascinating.
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And now I can't. I love it. And she has like three other books. So I can't wait to read her other ones.
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Yeah. That's awesome. Or listen to. What are you going to read next? Well, she has one called How to Think Like Sherlock Holmes, which of course I'm like,
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give it to me, Maria. Oh, you're going to be like a con man and like a detective by the end of.
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I'm finally going to rip off old people the way I've always dreamed of. You're going to learn how to.
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And now you know you can send me an email and be like, hey, I need $300. Hey, it's your brother.
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I just need $53. Look at her. She did it again. Dang. Shit. I love the I love when people I love that idea that we could all hip ourselves up a little bit more and like educate ourselves and not get scammed.
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Well, it was a thing of like, I think I'm too smart for to fall for one of those.
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Of course. And now I'm like, no, you're not, Demi. It's what everyone thinks. That's the interesting thing.
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It's just like what they're actually playing on is the commonalities that we all have where the average person, which is most people, just always assume that they can't be tricked.
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And that, of course, leaves the door open for you to totally be tricked. Right. So I just like the idea that you could learn a little of those some of those scams because it's the thing, too, where a lot of people, once they've been scammed, they get scammed again because they can't admit that it happened.
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so then they you know what I mean like it's like yeah they if you want to fix it yes exactly
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and oftentimes the mentality is like if you lose ten dollars then you're like then they go do you
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want to double down this could be and then they're like yeah this this is it now I'll get back fix it
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yeah exactly right yeah it's just fascinating that's scary um I have a podcast that I want to
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an episode I want to recommend so my my new when am I going to stop calling her my new therapist
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My therapist, she suggested I look into this like world renowned trauma expert doctor named Dr. Gabor Mate.
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Have you heard of him? Yes. And yeah, so I looked him up to look for any podcast episodes he was in.
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And he's in the podcast, the newish podcast Last Day, which is hosted by Stephanie Whittles Wax, who's Harris Whittles sister, who I was friends with.
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I wouldn I mean we acquaintances Right So he this incredible trauma expert who really studies the traumatic reasoning behind addiction and everything
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So she has an episode where she interviews him. It's episode 17 called Trauma. And it was, I mean, it hit home.
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It was so incredible. The podcast is really cool. And there's a lot of great episodes.
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The Last Day. It's called Last Day. Just playing that. Last Day. Last Day. The idea behind it is like people's last day on earth and why and how and, you know, the reasons behind the issues like Harris's opioid addiction.
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And it's just it's really good. Wow. That's great. I definitely want to listen to that.
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Yeah. Well, I this is a hilarious recommendation from Scotty Landis of Bananas fame.
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Bananas, the new weird news podcast here on the Exactly Right Network. So anyway, he texted me and he goes, I'm watching the show.
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It's called Travels by Narrowboat. And it's I believe it's on Netflix. It's a British guy who gets divorced, sells everything.
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And he gets one of those boats that go along the canals. And he basically just puts his whole life on this boat.
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And then it's a series where that's all that happens is him going down those canals.
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Is it reality or is it like a fictional? No, no reality. Oh, my God. He's like, fuck everything. Follow me down these canals.
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Yeah. He basically is like filmed himself of like this is I've always dreamed of doing this.
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This is the life I've always wanted. And then and then you just watch him where I'm like, how?
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And there's like a bunch of seasons. So he's been doing it for a while and it's super beautiful.
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But it's also kind of like I think we've talked about it before that I believe it's Norwegian or Swedish slow TV where it's just like basically watching something happen in real time.
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that's kind of pleasing looking soothing and like it's not like bam bam bam kind of no it's like
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do you have you ever wanted to go down canals in a narrow boat well now you can it's kind of like
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that it's really funny is there a dog does he have a dog i've always i'm only i'm only on like
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episode two season one he might get a dog like things can happen that might be like cliffhanger
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of season one and then season two it's like suddenly there's a border collie oh my just
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He gets like a mastiff. It's the hugest dog in the world. Takes up half the boat.
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But he makes it work because this is his life. What's it called again? That sounds fun.
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It's called Travels by Narrow Boat. Okay. And it's almost like if you're feeling like overwhelmed, I look for a lot of TV that's
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kind of like, I just want to not think about some stuff and kind of kick it or whatever.
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So like Joe Pera has a new special on Adult Swim that came out last week. if you like anything like it's like he basically took a bunch of old footage of like fish under
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under underwater obviously they're not dead gasping for breath on a dock i don't know why
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he would do it it's just um uh the pike place market in seattle it's dead fish on ice anyway
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it's very soothing no no he's like it's like his joe perra's voice which i'm a huge fan of joe
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Perry. He's a hilarious comic. He had a series on Adult Swim. And this is like, it came out like it
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was his comedy special. But it literally is just him talking over like footage of relaxing stuff.
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I love it. Hilarious. But so that I that's on par with what I'm kind of looking at these days.
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And Travels by Narrowboat is this series. And it's very much like that. We could not be more different because the show that I recommend that I am obsessed with
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on Netflix is called White Lines. And it is... Wait a second. I think I watched the trailer for that.
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Is that like young hot people in like a boat, like in a harbor town? Here's what it is.
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Here it is. Okay. These fucking DJs from Manchester in the late 90s. So it's like the cool fucking Happy Monday style.
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Hell yeah. And spiral carpets. Get in there. Yeah, and like drugs. And then they go to fucking Ibiza
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to become like world-renowned DJs. Excuse me, it's pronounced Ibiza. Right. And the main guy
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fucking disappears. And then so it's back then, and then we go to the fucking present where his sister,
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who's this gorgeous actress, in real... They didn't cast the ugly one? That's crazy.
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That's so edgy. His sister, who was like a teenager at the time, his body gets fined, she goes to find out
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who fucking killed her brother in Ibiza and like it's his old friends there's drugs there's sex parties like what did they kill him
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or did he kill him it's like it's it's so beautifully done i'm watching that and like
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such netflix netflix white lines it's so what's like got that it's like time period but also
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ibiza is so beautiful yes it's got like it's got a lot going on i love it you know what it has
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going on really relaxing the pronunciation being Ibiza Ibiza Ibiza um there's a similar one
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because you know it's that thing where the the is very smart of Netflix where you go on and you're
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immediately watching trailers it's so smart so much but doesn't it suck you into things you would
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have never watched before it's very smart it's smart it's smart it drives me fucking crazy yeah
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Well, you know what it is? There's a couple of shows I do not want to see at all.
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So you have to speed through it like panic mode so that you're like, I can't hear that voice.
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I just put it on mute. Try that. Oh, wait, what? But there's some... You might not have it on your remote.
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My remote's kind of like a newfangled... It's pretty, you know, it reflects my wealth, my remote.
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But there's a show on... that I bring this up because there was something I would have normally never watched.
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It's a show called Nadia's Time to Eat. And it's a British woman. And she is a mother of
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either three or four kids. She's young. And she's like, no one has time for anything these days.
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I'm going to make all the I'm going to show you these recipes that are super simple
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and delicious. So you have more time to hang out with your family instead of coming home from work, spending all this time making food and then like being exhausted and
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whatever and she these hacks is they kind of present it like they're like recipe hacks but
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they're fascinating like she does this thing where she puts like these kind of rice noodles in these
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little individual like sealable mason jars and you can pre-make all this stuff so that when you come
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home and they use from the refrigerator we come home from work you just put hot water in each one
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and they basically it has like a like a faux pho not f-a-u-x pho yeah is that what how you
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pronounce it? I think it's pho. Pho. I only know how to pronounce Ibiza. I mean,
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so anyway. That looks great. Yeah. I love cooking shows. That sounds perfect. It's so good
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and all the stuff she makes, she also then goes and like, it's just a very well-made British cooking show. Reminds
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me of Nigella a lot. Oh, Nigella Cooks. What a beautiful show that was. Barefoot Contessa I love
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so much. Oh, yeah. Oh my God. Ina Garten. She's amazing. She knows her stuff, right?
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Cooking shows should be definitely happening right now and you're like, I think that's like the best thing to leave on. Yes. It is that thing
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of like, when you watch someone make a beautiful thing, you're not going to go back eat the fucking
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dregs of the mustard and onion pretzel bites. Then you just feel gross. You're gonna make
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something. I'm emptying cheese. It's into my mouth, but watching out of the corner of my eye.
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Right? Like, oh, that looks I could do that. That's so easy. So easy. I made Vince a mashed
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potato and cheese quesadilla today yes delicious i hope you deep fried it what if i had a deep fryer in my kitchen so basically you took a flour or corn tortilla
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flour flour tortilla we have leftover mashed potatoes sprinkle some cheese in there
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yeah roll it up put it in the microwave no grilled that fucker yeah great you know
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that's delicious and perfect hell yeah let's see what else do you have Oh, I just wanted to say I was so excited because I finally, finally got my printer cartridge in the mail.
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Oh, my God. So I have a hard copy in my hand for literally the first time in like eight weeks where it's been driving me insane.
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Watching you read your stories, just like squinting, sticking your face. I don't care, but it has not looked comfortable.
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It has not. Are you sticking your face in the computer screen and squinting your eyes to read?
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The worst. Looks like it's not been fun for you. Well, and again, like we were talking about the beginning.
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Sorry, I had to put that down because I was going blind. But then you're so close to the screen that you can't help but see yourself and judge yourself and have all kinds of weird, lame-o, self-conscious feelings.
00:27:15
We were just like... Excuse me. Did you hear that? I heard it. Oh, shit. Sorry. Georgia just did the thing where she lifted up the side of her shirt and burped into her shirt.
00:27:27
I was being polite. You're thinking of others in this time of COVID-19, and I appreciate it.
00:27:33
I have been with a guy 24-7 too long. It is getting gross. You know, he wipes his fingers on his armpit, in his armpit, when he's like eating chips and like, at least use your sock.
00:27:47
so burping into my t-shirt is was really polite of me that's the kind of thing that you wouldn't
00:27:55
think about until someone else witnesses you do it like you you just be like no what i didn't
00:28:02
like you wouldn't even think you were doing it until you do it and get caught doing it
00:28:07
sorry devins love you you're the greatest i think it's the cutest thing otherwise
00:28:12
we probably wouldn't be together if things like that annoyed me you know like when things that
00:28:16
When things you think are cute with a guy or a partner, but if you're like, I didn't like you, that would be annoying.
00:28:23
Yes. But I must love you because I think that's adorable. Yes. That's a good way to frame it and go ahead and hold on to that framework eight months from now when his armpits are filled with Cheeto dust.
00:28:36
And you're like, what the fuck? And all we have left to eat are fucking mashed potato pacedaos.
00:28:43
You're trying to make the, Hey, look, I shaped these mashed potatoes into quesadillas.
00:28:50
It's all, there's no tortillas left. It's all quesadilla. Isn't that amazing? It's all mashed potato.
00:28:55
It's a sculpture. Oh, I wanted to, so there, okay. I have one more thing. Yeah. Um,
00:29:01
there is a woman. She's an actress. Can I guess? Yeah. Just kidding. I thought you were serious.
00:29:08
I was like, Oh my God. Do you know about this? What if I guess? That would be amazing.
00:29:13
Her name is Rianne Barreto, B-A-R-R-E-T-O. And out of nowhere, she starts tagging me in this thing.
00:29:19
And it turns out she's this actress and she found out about us from her director who who wanted she had to learn an American accent for this role she was doing.
00:29:30
Oh, no. Yeah. And her her director, Pippa, was like, you should listen to my favorite murder.
00:29:36
You'll get like a real accent. And so she did. And she said she became a huge fan.
00:29:40
And so she won like the she won the American Vocal Fry Award. No she won the fucking special jury award for US dramatic acting at fucking Sundance Shit And she thanked us What In her fucking acceptance speech That fucking right The movie is called hold on
00:30:06
What the fuck is going on? The movie's called Cher, S-H-A-R-E. And then she went on fucking,
00:30:13
and then she sent me the clip. She went on Seth Meyers and talked about us. What?
00:30:20
And he's like, so you got help from a podcast. And she's like, yeah, my favorite murder.
00:30:23
Thanks, Karen and Georgia. on Seth Meyers talk show. Thank you, Rihanna. Everyone go watch the movie and share.
00:30:31
And congratulations. And see if you can hear our voices. It's amazing. It's not easy for British.
00:30:37
As bad as American, oftentimes Americans' version of British accents are, as a person who watches a fuck ton of British television,
00:30:47
you can see a British actor, when they don't hire American actors and they get a British actor who's like,
00:30:53
I got this. don't worry about it and they don't got it it's the funniest thing because it is so about cadence
00:30:59
and rhythm and casual like casualness maybe it's i can't explain it it's just like you just know
00:31:08
it's a british actor doing an american act you just know it in the same way that it the other way
00:31:12
it's hilarious i love it oh that's so cool we're helping we're helping uh cinema someone
00:31:19
we're helping someone out it must have been good if she won an award for it I mean
00:31:26
thank you and you're welcome what if the whole thing was like that you go to watch the movie
00:31:33
and it's the most upsetting voice of all time she just is supposed to be the most annoying person that's ever lived
00:31:39
you guys helped me so much I got so much thank you so much because I got the background
00:31:47
of what a really irritating girl is like. Not like this, but like you. I couldn't get it because I'm not irritating.
00:31:57
Oh, that was a little cockney. That was a little cockney. That was good. Oh, I wanted to say,
00:32:01
the guy that's doing my dad's floors, his name is Dave Cooney, and he's the one that's the murderino.
00:32:08
And I didn't say his name when I told that story last time. Not everyone wants to be named.
00:32:13
Not everyone. And maybe he still doesn't. Too bad, Dave. Thank you so much because my sister says the floors look unbelievable.
00:32:21
I bet he got a fucking one-up or whatever it's called. Oh, yeah. He got the extra special floor treatment.
00:32:28
That's right. Do you think Jim got the favorite award? Jim paid for the shittiest kind of hardwood he could find.
00:32:37
And I'm like, let's give him the one-up one. Let's give him the one-up. That was nice of them.
00:32:43
That actually makes me think. I watched the movie, the original Arthur movie last night with Dudley Moore.
00:32:48
So good. That's okay. If you are looking for a laugh and if you haven't seen it, you might not like it.
00:32:54
It's definitely very 80s comedy. But God damn it. That thing is back to back hard jokes.
00:33:00
It's like Liza Minnelli. Oh, it's so good. She's killer. And they you believe they really fall in love.
00:33:07
Like they you can tell there's true chemistry. There's something really happening.
00:33:11
But it is that it's so charming. And of course, John Gielgud is one of his, you know, he's so he's the butler.
00:33:18
That's Hobson. He's so hilarious. It's just such a like laugh riot if you need if you need something like that.
00:33:24
That might have been one of the original ones that made me love fake drunk people.
00:33:28
Yes. Like I like when you're when you do fake. Arthur being fake drunk. He's amazing.
00:33:36
He's perfect at it. And there is a scene where it's after Hobson dies, he goes and sits in a bar and there's a drunk with him.
00:33:44
And then he goes, oh, that's terrible. The drunk is so hilarious and believable.
00:33:50
The two of them being drunk together, you never for one second go, oh, this is two actors playing drunk.
00:33:55
You're like, I am in a bar. These guys are shit faced. It's so realistic. That's what I thought.
00:34:00
I love watching fake drunk lovers. Oh, sorry. This is just one more thing. Okay.
00:34:06
You should see this fucking piece of paper with insane writing all over it. It just says printer underlined twice.
00:34:14
Tell the printer story. It's amazing, guys. I got my printer cartridges. The end.
00:34:21
Last week, the live show that we put up for you guys was from Oakland 2018. And that was the show where my sister and Nora, my niece, were there.
00:34:31
And Nora came out on perfect cue and did a cartwheel and ran away. Excellent. My sister, if anyone has video of that, that they can send to our website or to Twitter or to Instagram or anywhere, my sister would love you forever.
00:34:47
That's all she wants in the world. And I think that at some point someone either had a picture or something, maybe video.
00:34:55
Yeah. If you would resend, also because Nora is now like a foot taller and a teenager who's like, bye, I'll be in my room.
00:35:03
Times are changing so rapidly. and we just need to hold close the memories that we have.
00:35:09
We can only stare at her like third grade picture so much. But that was that moment was so hilarious.
00:35:15
And also my sister was backstage, so she didn't get to see it. Right, right, right, right.
00:35:18
So if anyone has it, we'll track it down. OK, if you would, please. And I think that is.
00:35:24
Yep. Travels by narrowboat. Check. I think that's all we have. That's it. I wanted to thank you to Cosmo.
00:35:31
They've like put us on a couple of nice lists recently. Oh, yeah. And I Said No Gifts, too.
00:35:36
It was in Cosmo. Oh, right. Hey. Speaking of I Said No Gifts, this week, comedic writer and performer Lamar Woods from New Girl and Single Parents was with Bridger.
00:35:47
And what's really interesting is that he grew up Jehovah's Witness, so he had to bring a gift or not bring a gift.
00:35:55
And they talk about gifts He literally lived I Said No Gifts From God That right That in exactly right news Yes Boom Cool
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00:36:13
So that's always fun. What's that hairless cat's name? Georgie, named after Jason Alexander in Seinfeld.
00:36:20
Georgie. Georgie. Georgie the chicken wing. The chicken wing. Oh, I love it. Yeah.
00:36:28
Look, I didn't not look up hairless cat rescue today, but I did. But I didn't. Yeah.
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00:38:13
Goodbye. Who's first? Karen's first. Karen Kilgaris? Okay. Then I will slow down on the rosé.
00:38:24
But only a little. Just downshift into second gear. Okay. This is one I've wanted to do for a while.
00:38:31
And a listener named Anya Weitzman wrote in to suggest it as well. Thank you, Anya.
00:38:37
and I got this information from Murderpedia, Wikipedia, and the website Medium, which always has great stuff.
00:38:46
Now they have, and maybe for a while they have had, they have a section called The Crime Historian
00:38:51
that focuses on like kind of older true crime stories. And so that was the article written by a writer named Ash Woods.
00:39:00
I used that as well for the story, and I don't know if you know this, the angel makers of Nagriv.
00:39:07
No. You've never heard this? No. Oh, shit, girl. Okay. So this takes place in Hungary.
00:39:16
So Nagriv, I had to look up one of those websites where you press a button and you can hear someone pronounce it.
00:39:21
And it was like Nagriv, Nagriv. So I'm definitely pronouncing it inaccurately. But now I'm about to go ahead and just totally destroy some last names
00:39:33
because I couldn't enter them into this website. Like it wouldn't help me. So it's going to be phonetic, visual phonetics, and it's going to be wrong.
00:39:43
So don't worry. Everyone will correct you. Yes. Don't worry. It's going to give us all something to do in the pandemic.
00:39:50
Don't worry, guys. And especially you sensitive Hungarians out there. Listen up because you're about to have something to email and Twitter about.
00:39:59
Okay. So this story is so fascinating. I wanted to do it a couple of times, but I don't know it.
00:40:05
Yeah. OK, so the year is 1911. OK, it's kind of long ago, all things considered.
00:40:13
And we go to this is a small, impoverished farming village in Nagariv, Hungary. I'm putting that.
00:40:21
I don't know why. That sounds right. I'm rolling the R, though, which I don't think is Nagariv.
00:40:26
Nagariv. That sounds right. Nagariv. That's how she says it. Ah, yeah. Nagariv. Anyway, it's 60 miles southeast of Budapest and a young wife named Mrs. Takacs.
00:40:41
That's definitely wrong. T-A-K-A-C-S. Okay. She goes to the local midwife in the middle of the night.
00:40:49
Sorry, Stephen. I burped right in the middle of that line. Can you please do that into your shirt?
00:40:55
Excuse me, ma'am. Okay. So Mrs. Takacs knocks on the local midwife's door in the middle of the night.
00:41:01
She's just been beaten up by her husband. Her alcoholic husband is just beating the shit out of her.
00:41:08
So she has to go. The midwife is the only person that's like close to a doctor. Yeah.
00:41:13
In the village. And she has to go there for medical treatment. So the midwife is a woman named Julia Fazakas.
00:41:23
Or Fazekas. Or a lot of other things. I think Fazakas sounds good. Fazakas is what we're going to go with.
00:41:29
It feels right to me. So she's used to helping people at all hours of the night because she's basically the go-to person.
00:41:36
But she doesn't just treat Mrs. Takak's wounds. She also tells her that she knows how she can take care of her husband for good.
00:41:47
So let's talk about Julia Fazakas for a second. She moved to Nagariv in 1911. She a middle midwife and her husband Julius had disappeared before she got there under mysterious circumstances
00:42:05
And no one knows where she's from or what her background is, but she's been recommended to be the midwife for this village by several doctors who know that she has medical expertise and know what she's doing.
00:42:17
And since Nagariv does not have a doctor or anybody nearby at all, they're happy to have her.
00:42:26
So Mrs. Takak sits in Julia's kitchen and watches her make a secret concoction. The midwife puts flypaper into a pot of water, boils it down, extracting its arsenic.
00:42:42
Oh, fuck. And then she bottles that arsenic water and sends Mrs. Takak home with it.
00:42:47
That's smart. Two days later, the midwife watches Mr. Takak's funeral procession from her front porch.
00:42:57
He's reportedly died from a heart attack. And from that moment on, life in the little village of Nagariv takes a wild and morbid turn.
00:43:08
Okay, so in the early 1900s Hungary, arranged marriages are very common. That's basically kind of how it is.
00:43:15
The women usually are much younger than the men. It has nothing to do with love or attraction or anything.
00:43:22
It's mostly just a practical deal. The families of the girls and women, they want to get rid of the daughters.
00:43:29
It's just an extra mouth to feed. Yeah. And the men who do very difficult manual labor all day long, they want someone to have babies
00:43:39
with them. They want someone to cook and clean for them. They basically want their own manual laborer at home.
00:43:44
Yeah, it's like literally an arrangement. It's not it's not a marriage. It's just kind of how we keep everything going in the village.
00:43:52
Yeah. So not a ton of romance happening in Nagariv, apparently, or the surrounding area.
00:43:59
I mean, I'm sure there was for sure, but this was kind of like the standard and it was what people were used to.
00:44:04
Yeah. So there's also a problem in in this village, particularly the majority of the men that like women are just kind of.
00:44:14
there to do their bidding. There's not a lot of respect for women. This is not a matriarchal
00:44:21
society in any way. And a lot of them are alcoholics, and they work really hard,
00:44:27
they drink really hard, and beating their wife is not that big of a deal. It's just kind of
00:44:32
standard fare. And also, most of them are very, very poor. So there's a lot of stressors,
00:44:39
And there's a lot of things to be escaping from and drinking about. And so, you know, your wife becomes, you know, basically what you take out your frustrations on.
00:44:53
It's just very common. It's kind of the oppressive cycle of poverty. And they're all caught in it.
00:44:58
But in 1914, World War I starts. And so, almost all the able-bodied men of the village are sent off to fight.
00:45:06
And so all these young wives and women are alone for the first time and they have to now work the fields.
00:45:13
And they're the ones that then have to go and sell and trade the crops and keep everything going and still manage the households.
00:45:22
So they basically have to take over everything. It's a ton of work, but it's the most freedom they've ever had.
00:45:30
They're like, this is great. We're not getting fucking beaten. Yeah. And we fucking we're in charge. And it's actually we're, we're actually very capable. Yeah, I was gonna say, and they're thriving, but that's an editorial spin. We don't know that that's the truth. But I would think that it would be kind of amazing to be like, suddenly, you don't have this oppression. And you maybe even understand a little more, you're out there working the field all day, and then you come back. And then you're kind of like, we just have to keep it going. But you you find it's like, I think, but a lot it happened to a lot of women in World War II.
00:46:03
too when they got to step up and they were suddenly working in factories and they were
00:46:07
suddenly making machinery and using, you know, heavy machinery and going, yeah, I can do
00:46:12
this. This isn't, this isn't a mystery. This isn't all that hard. Yeah. Or it's hard and I can do it.
00:46:19
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I have it in me to do it. I'm not a dainty flower. So, right. Okay.
00:46:24
So because Nagriv is this isolated little village, the Hungarian army decides to build
00:46:31
some POW camps there to hold Russian prisoners. Oh, dear. Yeah. So now the women of the village who are free from their shitty, mean, drunk husbands and
00:46:42
that have this kind of new independence, they start having affairs with these POWs.
00:46:48
Is it about to get sexy? That's what I fucking thought. I mean, I like to just imagine how hot it would be.
00:46:55
You're married to some 58 year old farmer. He's gone. Yeah. And suddenly there's just like a hot Russian 20 year old that happened to get caught.
00:47:07
It's just kind of standing hanging off the chain link fence. I mean, I'm loving the visuals of it.
00:47:12
Are you going to write a romance novel? Why not? So essentially they start having these affairs.
00:47:19
And now the downside, of course, is there's all kinds of unwanted pregnancies. Oh, shit.
00:47:25
Of course. Because it's still 1914. Yeah. nobody's everybody's like well we'll take care of it what was that nothing what did you just put it
00:47:36
into my shirt you just couldn't hear it whispered it to your shoulder a little secret okay so of
00:47:42
course nobody like these children can't be born because no one has the money everyone's working
00:47:49
their ass off this is not this is not the time to start having love children and shit probably
00:47:53
doesn't go go down well when you've had an affair outside of your marriage and then when your husband
00:47:58
comes back from war And you're like, what? Yes, our new child. So, of course, the women of the village turn to Julia Fizakis, the midwife, for help.
00:48:12
So, of course, she knows how to give abortions because she's a midwife and they are illegal and hungry at the time.
00:48:21
But Julia doesn't give a fuck because she's a classic midwife who's like, hey, how about some reproductive rights?
00:48:27
Hey, how about you don't have to have a baby if you don't want to? She gains a reputation as an abortionist.
00:48:31
She's actually been arrested for it 10 different times between 1911 and 1921. But because she's Negrieve's only doctor, the authorities always let her go.
00:48:43
And because deep down they know this is a fact of life. Okay. Anyway. Right. So as World War I comes to an end in 1918, the men of Negrieve begin to return home in waves.
00:48:56
And many of them have been wounded. And of course, all of them have been traumatized by what they've seen, the horrors of war.
00:49:03
So it definitely doesn't help their anger issues or their drinking problems or any of the stuff that was happening before.
00:49:10
Plus, now these women have tasted freedom and independence. And Russians. And they got a little of that borscht taste that they like so much.
00:49:22
Yeah. So the domestic disputes and the domestic violence returns with all everybody coming back.
00:49:32
And with these adjustments where the women are suddenly like, yeah, no, it's not going to work like that anymore.
00:49:37
Yeah. So as more and more of these women of the village air their grievances to their trusted midwife, Julia, she starts offering them the same solution that she offered Mrs. Takak's back in 1911, which is a vial of poison to be mixed in with their husband's food or drink.
00:49:54
So slowly, more and more women take her up on this offer. Julia tells the women that the arsenic cannot be traced in a decomposing corpse.
00:50:04
And that they're so that would ensure that they would always be safe from getting into any kind of trouble.
00:50:09
And because that there aren't any other medical experts in the village or anywhere nearby to examine the bodies, all of these deaths are ruled as heart attacks.
00:50:21
so as the word spreads amongst the women julia's customer base grows julia you gotta be cool i mean
00:50:30
you can't you can't solve everything by killing i've said it to you georgia a thousand times but
00:50:36
but in this situation where suddenly there is an out for this yeah this oppression and this kind of
00:50:44
like in a spot where women never had any agency whatsoever yeah they feel a little bit and
00:50:50
suddenly they're like you're not fucking taking that freedom back from me yeah and it really
00:50:55
is this kind of like this solution that feels very justified to them yeah so julia has more
00:51:01
and more women of the village coming to her in secret and she charges them on a sliding scale
00:51:06
it's purely based on what they can afford um and the number of deaths in negrive slowly climbs
00:51:14
and climbs. And grown men who otherwise seem completely healthy start dropping like flies,
00:51:21
and no one can explain why. So of course, the townspeople are superstitious. They immediately
00:51:27
think witchcraft is a play. Oh, shit. A lot of the young men notice that the men who are dying
00:51:34
are married. So a bunch of the single men won't get married. And the marriage rate takes a nosedive.
00:51:41
wow they think it's something like that's the connection cause and effect yeah exactly it's
00:51:46
simply the marriage and some do guess that julia might be involved but they have no proof of it
00:51:51
um one of the clergymen in town is later quoted as saying the superstitious peasants are terrified
00:51:58
of julia they believe she has supernatural powers and as her official capacity as nurse and midwife
00:52:04
it gives her access to every family she dominates the entire district these villages gentlemen are
00:52:10
utterly dominated by women and the men are all afraid for their lives amen i can't help but smile
00:52:19
to see the shoe on the other foot but there are some rules that julie has established to keep this
00:52:26
growing secret network of what they will later term as angel makers um a secret yeah so here's
00:52:35
Julia's rules. You are only allowed to be in the circle if you're unhappily married. No single
00:52:40
women, no women married to good men. So I guess that's up to Julia to decide who's good. You can
00:52:47
only kill abusive husbands. You cannot kill good men. You can't kill women. You cannot kill children.
00:52:54
How decent of you. And you cannot talk about the angel makers with anyone who isn't in it,
00:53:01
or with anyone who doesn't meet the requirements to join. So it's like a Hungarian female fight club,
00:53:08
but where the fighting leads to death and the person who's in it in the fight doesn't know that they're in the fight.
00:53:16
So not like that at all. Anyway, so essentially this works for a while and people keep it secret for a while.
00:53:26
And while these perfectly healthy and relatively young men are dropping dead, the whole village starts buzzing with fear, the people who are not in
00:53:35
the circle or the circuit. But Julia, it's the demand is so great for her services that she has
00:53:42
to get someone else to help her. So she pulls in a local woman named Susie Ola or Ola, not sure.
00:53:50
Years before when Susie was just 18 she poisoned her first husband the same way that Julia is poisoning boiling flypaper getting that arsenic and lacing her first husband food with the poison So she knows how to get it She knows what Julia is doing
00:54:08
And she basically helps Julia collect and bottle the arsenic to sell it. And Susie also brings
00:54:15
another crucial benefit to the table. Her son is the coroner of Nugreve. Smart. Super smart.
00:54:23
Right. So he's in charge of determining cause of death. And so these poisoned husbands are being written off as having died of heart attack, disease, drinking themselves to death.
00:54:33
In one case, drowning after one of the bodies is thrown into a nearby river. So it's it's kind of the perfect crime.
00:54:41
And it goes on for the next 10 years. Wow. How many men are there in the film? For real. They don't go through all of them?
00:54:51
Yeah, I think I say, well, they go through a bunch of them. So it couldn't have been a tiny village.
00:54:57
You know, it wasn't like 200 people, obviously. Right. But but it goes on for 10 years with nobody saying anything and no one getting caught.
00:55:07
But with that amount of unchallenged power, the women begin to get reckless and greedy.
00:55:13
Yeah, they do. Yeah. Just like all human beings. It's how it goes. So they start to deviate from Julia's strict rules and they start poisoning parents who've grown too old and are hard to care for.
00:55:27
They poison children that they can't feed anymore. No, no, no, no. And they poison siblings they don't like.
00:55:34
So they just fucking start going crazy. Wow. Yes. Start killing everyone. Yes. They just are just like, we've got the solution and we've become like immune to the effects of this.
00:55:47
And now this is just how we take care of business. When some of the women discovered they can inherit land and money from relatives, they start killing their relatives, too.
00:55:58
So essentially what begins as what some could rationalize as a vigilante act of self-defense becomes simple unchecked power.
00:56:07
And with unchecked power, it brings out one of the worst qualities of humanity, greed.
00:56:13
so as as that basically they break the pact and they just start fucking killing people and going
00:56:23
insane so the villagers that the ones with good husbands and normal families are like what the
00:56:30
fuck everyone's dying so they start writing letters to local authorities accusing the village women of
00:56:37
killing their relatives but there's no hard evidence so the police can't really do anything
00:56:41
But the gossip is spreading. So surrounding villages are like they know what they're up to.
00:56:47
They know what's actually going on. The exact number of deaths is unknown, but it's estimated to be around 300.
00:56:55
Holy shit. By the time authorities step in. Negreve locally earns the nickname the Murder District.
00:57:03
Perfect. Yeah. Now it's 1929. Hungary is conducting its 10-year census. Oh, dear.
00:57:10
So when they get their info back from the grief, the officials notice something very strange in those numbers.
00:57:16
What's that? That the death rate. So the last time they did the census in 1919, the birth rate was about three hundred and forty to, you know, there are three hundred forty more births than there were deaths.
00:57:30
OK. Now, babies only have a thirty six baby lead over the deaths. Oh, no. It's almost the same.
00:57:39
They close that gap. They close that gap in a way that is very unnatural and unlikely.
00:57:45
And so that's when Hungarian officials decide it's time to launch an investigation.
00:57:50
There's many deaths as there are births. As they start looking into it, they notice that the overwhelming majority of deaths are otherwise healthy adult men.
00:58:00
Yeah. So around the same time, Negreve's precenter, which is a word I've never heard before, but it's a person who leads the congregation at church in song or prayer.
00:58:12
So it's kind of like a canter, I guess. Yeah. Well, is that right? Yes. Okay. Thank you.
00:58:17
So this man drunkenly abuses his wife. The wife goes to her neighbor, who is an angel maker.
00:58:25
She's in the secret circuit named Mrs. Zabo. and Mrs. Szabo sells the woman some arsenic.
00:58:32
But when the woman tries to poison her husband by pouring the arsenic into his wine,
00:58:38
the husband catches her. She immediately confesses and immediately turns on Mrs. Szabo
00:58:45
and says she's the one that sold me the arsenic. Honey. Snitches get stitches. Snitches get candy.
00:58:53
So the police go to Mrs. Szabo. They question her. she immediately cracks and she doesn't only confess to poisoning her late husband and her
00:59:02
brother but she gives the police julia fazakis is that how i pronounced it julia fazakis and suzy
00:59:10
ola's names so cool right so everybody turns which which would make sense too because this
00:59:16
is such a strange uh it almost feels to me like um uh mass hysteria mass murder hysteria you know
00:59:27
what i mean where it's like it's like i didn't know what i was doing this person told me to do
00:59:30
it it's like the the level of okay with something that is not okay got raised to like it's fine
00:59:36
right we're all we're all just getting rid of the people that are bumming us out and it's like
00:59:40
And then everyone else is doing it. It's a normal thing here. Yeah. A year. Ten years.
00:59:45
Ten years. So Julia and Susie are promptly arrested and they're brought in for questioning.
00:59:51
They both deny it. Smart. They don't immediately turn on everybody. But because they worked their stories out They had ten years to work to get the stories to stick together And they stick to them And they convince the police that they have nothing to do with anything
01:00:07
enough to be released. But they're being watched. So the police are like, okay, you can go.
01:00:14
But they actually have them followed. So then Julia goes and knocks on all of the angel makers' doors
01:00:20
and every woman in the circuit. And she's just like, this whole thing, we're shutting it down.
01:00:26
This is over. She doesn't know. Yeah, exactly. She doesn't know she's being followed.
01:00:32
So she basically just leads the police to every woman in the Angel Maker's secret group.
01:00:39
Not cool. So there's two different stories of what happened next because it was so long ago.
01:00:44
Either a local medical student finds a drowned body of one of the victims that one of the angel makers threw in the river, tests it, discovers traces of arsenic in its fingernails and hair, and then reports it to the authorities.
01:00:59
Or one of the ringleaders of the angel makers, a woman named Balint Xordas, travels to Budapest.
01:01:08
Yes, thank you. And Ibiza. Ibiza. It's Ibiza. she travels to budapest and she asks a chemist if arsenic can be traced in dead bodies and he
01:01:21
tells her that it can be found in fingernails and hair either way she's like whoops yeah she's like
01:01:27
now when i poison my husband excuse me i what i meant to say is i'm asking for a friend either way
01:01:34
The angel makers of Negreve, they learned arsenic can be traced, which contradicts what Julia told all of them.
01:01:44
So they freak out and a group of them come up with this plan. So the next night, 13 of them gather in the local cemetery and start digging up tombstones and swapping them around so that when the police come and exhume the bodies, they won't find poison in the people they think were murdered because it will actually be the wrong coffin.
01:02:10
That's smart. Genius. That's diabolical. diabolical it's deeply diabolical but it is a good idea but very smart very smart don't very
01:02:18
bad don't do that don't stop it that's why they make gray stones so heavy can't just go switching
01:02:24
them around uh but but here's the thing it doesn't even matter because the police are already on to
01:02:30
all of it so they basically catch these women the angel makers in the act of doing it oh shit they
01:02:36
were only able to switch a couple headstones they must have been pretty heavy back then too
01:02:40
So they catch them in the act. Most of the women run. The authorities realize they're dealing with some serious criminals here.
01:02:51
So they just start exhuming the bodies right then. And they pull up 50 bodies and they test them all.
01:03:00
And of those, 46 test positive for arsenic. That's like an A+. That's like a it's like that's a 95 percent if I'm not wrong.
01:03:11
And I am about you're good at math. Thanks. Everyone knows that. But I just think about the four guys who like died.
01:03:19
However, natural causes. Yeah. Can you fucking bury me back up? And I was like, I didn't kill him.
01:03:25
She's the wife's like, I'm the one this whole time that's going. You guys are going insane.
01:03:31
You guys, you're drunk with power. Stop it. I pinky swore I didn't kill my husband.
01:03:36
How is that not enough for you? My husband, A, promised me that he made me promise that I wouldn't kill him.
01:03:42
And B, he made me promise I wouldn't exhume him. And now look where we are. Yeah.
01:03:47
And she sued the village of Negreve and she won. No, those are all lies. OK, so when the police go to arrest Julia Fazekas, I've pronounced it differently every time.
01:03:57
I'm panicked every time. One of them's got to be right. One of them's got to be right.
01:04:00
We're covering all the bases. She basically sees the cops coming toward her house and she downs a bottle of her own arsenic and dies before she can be arrested.
01:04:11
Whoa. She's not playing. Goodbye. Of the 100 women arrested, 26 of them are put on trial and 12 of those are found guilty and they receive prison sentences, seven of which are sentenced to life in prison.
01:04:27
Eight of them are sentenced to death, including Susie Ola and her sister Lydia. Some other women, including Balint Zordas, kill themselves in prison.
01:04:40
Yeah. So the fantasy ends. It all falls apart. And so a couple movies have been made about the Angel Makers, including a 2002 experimental Hungarian film called Huckle.
01:04:53
It looks like it's pronounced Huckle, H-U-K-K-L-E, and the 2005 documentary, The Angel Makers.
01:05:02
Wow. And there's a book called The Angel Makers by Jessica Gregson. And I'm not going to be able to pronounce this.
01:05:11
Do it. It's T-I-S-Z-A-Z-U-G. So I'll say Tizazug, A Social History of a Murder Epidemic by Bodo Bella.
01:05:21
and those are two books you can read about this insane story of the angel makers of negreve i
01:05:29
that was crazy where did you hear about that originally i've never heard of that that is like
01:05:34
a classic uh one that gets mentioned on the what's the part um what's the website we love
01:05:41
that does the lists rancor that's like one that's on rancor yeah yeah um and it's basically kind of
01:05:47
like I always didn't want to do the research because it's old. And I was always like,
01:05:52
do we even have names? Do we even know the people that are at play here Right But yeah it hard to find details And then it also hard to verify anything yeah it sounds like oh it something that happened in the hills but we not exactly
01:06:06
sure but no this one is true and crazy it's just like yeah crazy little village where everyone
01:06:14
went murder crazy for 10 fucking years for how many people was like they suspected like 200 people
01:06:21
were killed? 300. There's no number for sure, but it's around 300. I bet you it's higher.
01:06:29
They called it the murder district. Wow. You're just trying to get from your cart, your
01:06:35
donkey and cart from one village to the other. They're like, don't go by the murder district.
01:06:40
Don't go by and marry and fucking physically abuse anyone in the murder district.
01:06:45
See, because it's, that's why I like the story too, because when you first read it,
01:06:49
you're like, ha ha, good. But it's like No, that's a natural reaction of like when things feel unfair and then revenge is like feels like the best answer.
01:06:59
But it never is because it's that unchecked power thing that no one's immune to that.
01:07:05
The effect of unchecked power. Everything gets out of hand eventually. Yes. When there's when there's too much arsenic.
01:07:13
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01:09:07
Goodbye. All right. So I first heard about this story like two weeks ago when I was tagged by a bunch of people.
01:09:17
Thank you. On Instagram, on Instagram called History Photographed. And I do these cool photos and then they tell you the story about whatever it's about.
01:09:27
And it's a lot of stuff I've never heard of, which is fun. A lot of it's made up.
01:09:31
Shit. And here's one of those stories. Entirely fabricated history. oops oops oh well here we go here we go so this is the story of Hans Schmidt the first and only
01:09:48
priest to be executed in the United States oh shit have you heard that oh Schmidt
01:09:53
sorry and we're off and here we go no I've never heard this yeah I didn't either it's very odd
01:10:03
And I got info from the Daily News by an article by David Kragicek, a Ranker article by Harris Tempest.
01:10:12
What's up? Wikipedia, Murderpedia and all that's interesting article. And then there's also a book that's called The Trunk Dipped in Blood.
01:10:20
And it's five sensational murder cases of the early 20th century by Mark Grossman.
01:10:25
Nice. So here we go. Let's start on September 5th, 1913. So it's the same time your shit's going on.
01:10:32
Ooh, like, yeah, at the same time across the world. I love the world. I love it.
01:10:36
In New Jersey. Yeah. So on September 5th, 1913, two kids on the New Jersey side of the Hudson River come across
01:10:44
the torso of a woman, the upper torso. Ooh, so the chest of a woman. And the next day, about three miles down river at Weehawken, the lower torso of the same
01:10:55
woman is found. And it's in a pillowcase. and over the next several days authorities find six total a total of six different female body
01:11:04
parts and they're able to piece them together and find that all the body parts are from the same
01:11:09
woman an autopsy at the body parts tells police that they're investigating the murder of a woman
01:11:15
who's under 30 years old around five foot four between 120 and 130 pounds and the autopsy also
01:11:22
reveals that the woman had prematurely given birth shortly before she was murdered. So that
01:11:28
could have been from an abortion, which was illegal at the time. Yeah. Okay. But since the
01:11:32
pieces were found on the New Jersey side of the Hudson, so technically, it should have been their
01:11:37
case. But instead, the case, which is now known as the Hudson River Mystery, is turned over to the
01:11:45
New York PD, because the New Jersey police are like, well, both of the packages that were found
01:11:51
on our side contain the body parts that contain the body parts have a type of rock called schist
01:11:57
rock that's very common in Manhattan, but never found in New Jersey. So they're like, well, the crime was
01:12:03
probably committed in New York. You guys can have the case, which is like a twist on how it usually
01:12:09
is. Yeah, I was just gonna say, usually, it's like, this is our area, stay out of it. But
01:12:14
they're kind of like, I wonder if it's because maybe the NYPD was so advanced at that time,
01:12:18
they were like, you guys should probably take this because. Yeah, because clearly, it's
01:12:23
horror, some horrific situation. Yeah, it needs all the help it can get. So, So it goes to the NYPD. The investigation is assigned to the Manhattan chief of detectives. His name is Joseph Farrow. And he is famous for beginning the new era in police science in a case in 1911, which was the first time fingerprints evidence alone led to a criminal conviction. So he's like the first he went to Scotland Yard, learned all about fingerprinting and like brought it back here and was like, I swear this works, you guys.
01:12:54
Yeah. Trust me. Trust me. You have to believe me. So Detective Farrow, he uses the pillowcase that one of the body parts was found in, which is monogrammed with the letter A, as well as the newspaper that the body was wrapped in, which was dated August 31st.
01:13:11
And he takes the tag in the monogrammed pillowcase and traces it back to a Manhattan furniture dealer named George Sachs.
01:13:19
so they um they find the receipt that coincides with the pillowcase purchase and when they show
01:13:26
the receipt to mr sachs he is like oh yeah i totally remember that sale it was made to a man
01:13:31
who called himself a van dyke he paid in cash and he asked to have the items including the pillowcase
01:13:38
delivered to his apartment and he gives them the address to the apartment okay so this leads them
01:13:43
to the third floor apartment in an in an uptown building and then when they question the building
01:13:49
superintendent, he says that the apartment is occupied by a married couple and that the husband
01:13:53
is a good looking man with a heavy German accent. And he had given his name as H. Schmidt. After a
01:13:59
three day stakeout and no one is coming or going to the apartment, the inspector for orders a
01:14:04
detective to break into the apartment. Probably legal at the time. You gotta hope. So there,
01:14:11
detectives find drops of blood on the walls and on the iron bedposts. And it looks like someone's
01:14:17
tried to clean it up. And they find the rest of the newspaper that it used to wrap the body.
01:14:23
And then in a steamer trunk, they find a large bloodstained knife, a handsaw. And they also find
01:14:29
a bunch of letters from Germany addressed to someone named Anna Amuller. So Inspector Farrow
01:14:35
goes to the New York address on those letters and finds a couple who knew Anna from Germany.
01:14:41
They tell investigators that Anna had arrived in New York in 1908. She was 16 years old at the time
01:14:46
And now she worked as a servant at several places and a housekeeper. But her last job had been at St. Boniface Catholic Church on 47th and 2nd.
01:14:57
And there, the senior pastor, Reverend John Braun, said that he had fired Anna on August 13th, which was like a month earlier before the body was found.
01:15:08
Not even. And he had fired her after only eight months on the job because he, quote, was not satisfied with her way of life.
01:15:16
And that she had then transferred to St. Joseph's Church, which is like, judgy. Judge much Catholics?
01:15:25
Yeah. Yes, they do. They sure do. So Reverend Braun was like, you know who you need to speak with is Anna's spiritual guide, who happened to be the former assistant pastor at that church.
01:15:41
His name was Reverend Hans Schmidt. and that both him and Anna now worked at St. Joseph's Church together, a spiritual guide.
01:15:49
A spiritual guide? I thought you meant like a spiritualist, like a psychic or something.
01:15:54
Maybe. I don't really know. Well, I mean, he's a priest. They just met her. Okay. Right. Probably.
01:16:00
So the Inspector Farrow and his detectives go to St. Joseph's Rectory, where the senior pastor, Daniel Quinn, takes them into the parlor where Hans Schmidt is asleep.
01:16:12
and they wake him up and he's like oh fuck and he becomes hysterical and says i killed her i killed
01:16:20
her because i loved her oh so he immediately admits admits to killing the woman that had been
01:16:25
found in the hudson river which was anna a muller and um he then goes on to describe anna's murder
01:16:33
and dismemberment in detail his fellow priests who were like fucking napping too probably
01:16:39
were like, oh my god, and look on in horror as he's taken into police custody. Wow. Just out with it.
01:16:47
The second they knock on the door. Yeah. He opens his eyes and starts admitting to shit.
01:16:53
You know? Yep. So let me tell you about Hans Schmidt. Hans Schmidt. He's born in the Bavarian...
01:16:59
Sorry. Let me tell you about Ibiza Schmidt. Ibiza Schmidt. He's born in the Bavarian town of
01:17:06
Aschaffenburg to a Protestant father and a Catholic mother in 1881. As a kid, he liked to dress
01:17:15
up like a clergyman. He would wear a cassock and collar. The priest's outfits. A priest's dress. Yep.
01:17:24
His mom would hand make him these little priest outfits because he wanted to be one so bad. He was like cosplaying
01:17:29
priests. Not aww. Creepy. Stephen. Stephen. Me too. 180 episodes, Stephen busts in and that's what he's...
01:17:42
That's what you... I thought I was on mute, to be honest. Well, you weren't, and now you're never going to live it down.
01:17:53
This is what Stephen does when he on mute He having a completely different experience to these stories than we are Aww Dreaming big Creepy little priest child That so sweet
01:18:06
Annabelle 3 coming to theaters. So he makes his own altars at home and he pretends to carry out services and sacrament.
01:18:13
And he earns the nickname in town, the little priest. Aww, how cute. So according to Hans, he was also obsessed with blood and he used it in his fake religious rituals.
01:18:28
And he liked to spend free time at the slaughterhouse watching the slaughter of pigs and cows by the local butcher.
01:18:35
Oh, Stephen. Stephen. No, this is bad. He doesn't agree. I mean, a kid like this.
01:18:44
We've got issues, but they couldn't have known from just the priest outfit. Although creepy, you can't do anything about it.
01:18:53
Slaughterhouse hobby? No, dude. No. And even the slaughterhouse hobby without the priest outfit, like if they're separate.
01:19:00
Even separate? Now we've got the unholy union where you've got a child that likes blood rituals.
01:19:07
Good luck. Good luck. Would you rather have a child become a butcher or a priest?
01:19:11
That's the question you want to ask yourself. Butcher 1000%. Okay. So. You weren't actually asking me.
01:19:18
Sorry. No, I didn't think you answered. Let's all go on mute for the rest of this story.
01:19:28
And he himself says that early on, the sight of blood stimulated his very first sexual arousals.
01:19:36
Not great. Not chill. So, Stephen, great job. I'm sorry. No, I love it. I'm sorry.
01:19:45
And he also claims he was sexually abused by his older brothers. But that was according to him.
01:19:49
Right. So, allegedly. Eventually, Hans Schmidt heads to seminary school and at 25 years old is ordained in 1904.
01:19:58
And during parish assignments in the small villages, Schmidt allegedly molests altar boys, has affairs with several women, and solicits sex workers.
01:20:08
And meanwhile, parishioners and fellow priests are like, over this dude. And they complained to him to the Monsignor.
01:20:15
What's it called? Monsignor. Monsignor. Monsignor. And the bishop about his creative ways of saying Mass and eccentric sermons.
01:20:26
He just goes off book and makes shit up. Yes. Oh, my God. I would die to see that.
01:20:32
Why do you look so happy about it? I don't know. Because you know why? All my memories.
01:20:36
When you said Monsignor, we had an old priest named Monsignor Tillman, who was so boring.
01:20:43
Like he would do the reading and then he would start the homily. And you were just like, like you couldn't focus.
01:20:51
Because it was just like somebody who had been doing the same job for a long time.
01:20:54
And it was just like, basically had a rhythm, a very boring rhythm to their voice.
01:20:59
I will say this, though, sorry to totally sidebar you. But I just had a recovered memory because I remember my mom telling me that in the early 70s, Monsignor Tillman, when he was still a priest, a crazy person ran up and stabbed him during a during church one day and he survived it.
01:21:17
Holy shit. Isn't that amazing? So he's kind of like he was like he was a total for everyone to fall asleep.
01:21:23
Yeah, he's just trying to keep everybody super calm at all times. But it's it's the idea of a priest basically being super weird during a homily would be kind of fascinating because.
01:21:36
Because it's like it's not like it's not like going to temple where it's like you interpret the Torah the way you want to interpret and tell stories and blah, blah, blah.
01:21:44
You know, it's like this is these are the prayers and this. Well, we have this. I mean, well, it's just it.
01:21:49
It's very formalized and very it's very stuffy and strict. And so by the book. literally there's no improv in in the catholic church they don't there's no yes anding jesus
01:22:02
as far as i know there's no yes and jesus oh my god okay uh sorry that was no i was never
01:22:11
apologize epic sidebar okay it was amazing so he goes off books make shit up and then uh no other
01:22:19
parishes offer him an assignment after he fucking blows all those other ones so in 1909 he immigrates
01:22:25
to the US. He's like, let's try out these idiots. Yeah. His first assignment as at St. John's Roman
01:22:31
Catholic Church in Louisville, Kentucky. But he pisses off the senior pastor with his weird methods
01:22:38
and ultimately transfers to this to St. Boniface's church in New York City where we were just at.
01:22:44
Yeah. In 1912. And he scandalized the pastor there by claiming to believe in free love. So he
01:22:51
was just like oh back then doing his thing yeah 19 like yeah no so this they're still not okay
01:22:57
with that no this is where he meets our young austrian housekeeper anna amuler uh or amuler
01:23:05
she is gorgeous these dark eyes dark hair she looks to me like um like casey wilson's great
01:23:13
grandmother oh you know from uh happy endings yeah she does a podcast bitch sesh so just like
01:23:19
this really striking features. And she works in the rectory as the housekeeper. And in later
01:23:26
conversations with alienists, which were old timey psychiatrists, Hans Schmidt claims to have heard
01:23:33
a voice from God ordering him to love Anna. So she first I know, she first refuses his advances,
01:23:41
but eventually they start having a sexual relationship. And at the same time, though,
01:23:44
he's having an affair with a New York dentist named Ernest Murrit at the same time. So he
01:23:49
He's definitely down. He definitely believes in free love. Yeah, he's DTF. For the L There it is yes yeah thank you later that year
01:24:05
Schmidt is transferred to the other church St. Joseph's in Harlem it's possible because
01:24:10
someone at St. Boniface discovered his affair with Anna but Schmidt and Anna continue their relationship
01:24:15
and on February 26, 1913 they're quote married in a secret ceremony but Schmidt performs it himself
01:24:23
so it's not real And there was three cups of blood involved. Yeah. You throw one over your left shoulder, one over your right shoulder.
01:24:32
And he writes their names on a marriage certificate and tells Anna that he's going to leave the priesthood for her.
01:24:38
Can I just say you are surrounded by darkness right now? This happens every time.
01:24:44
And I don't think I have this lamp. You had this beautiful, you like face the sunset and you have this beautiful glowing sun in your face, you know, as the sun sets.
01:24:53
And then now your room is just encased in darkness. And now I'm performing a blood ritual.
01:25:01
I mean, it looks good. Now. And now the big reveal. Oh, there we go. We have light.
01:25:08
We're back. Okay, cool. Great. So soon after Anna, who's 21 years old at this time, and Hans Schmidt, who's 31 years old at this time, Anna tells or Anna tells Hans that she's pregnant.
01:25:21
And he then realizes that this could be the thing that finally, you know, gets him kicked the fuck out of the church.
01:25:28
And it's possible he forced her to get an abortion. We don't really know. And he might have been doing them himself, actually.
01:25:35
No. No, I know. And it's very dangerous and illegal at the time because when it's illegal, it's dangerous, friends.
01:25:42
Well, especially if you're a priest that doesn't know what the fuck you're doing.
01:25:45
Right. Yeah. And then. So then on the night of September 2nd, 1913, Hans Schmidt goes to the uptown apartment that he had rented for him and Anna.
01:25:56
And he where they were posing as a married couple. And he slashes her throat with a 12 inch butcher knife.
01:26:03
He also drinks her blood, violates her and uses a hacksaw to dismember her. So he's totally out of his mind.
01:26:13
he's out of his fucking mind and always has been it seems yeah he wraps each section of her body
01:26:20
in newspaper and puts her um lower body in one of her pillowcases that had that monogrammed a
01:26:27
on it and he attaches those pieces of uh rock called schist and uh to the body parts and then
01:26:36
he boards a ferry seven different times each time bringing a body part and dumping it overboard at
01:26:42
different locations. I know. It's like this idea where it's the it's the thing that drives me nuts
01:26:48
is people hiding behind religion because everybody looks at that priest and goes,
01:26:53
well, sure, he's he's saying a bunch of crazy shit during the homily. But you know, he's a priest. So
01:26:59
we have to listen to him. We have to listen to him. Right. Back then, even more so no one questioned
01:27:04
like the Catholic Church and priests, they had this sway over everyone. So I'm sure this young
01:27:10
woman was like she was probably honored that he was paying attention to her and like it's just and
01:27:17
and meanwhile he's totally out of his he's just psychotic probably well and it's the same thing
01:27:23
too where where they each place finds out that he's got issues and they and just like it it would
01:27:28
years later when the fucking sex scandal or the child molestation scandal comes out yeah they just
01:27:33
move him around yes so he never has to take responsibility he goes on to hurt other people
01:27:38
And they move him to poorer churches and areas so that it's people with less sway.
01:27:48
People with less. I mean, it's just such a gross or a terrible history. It is. Make your son become a butcher.
01:27:56
Always. Also, they make good money. Okay. Tumping it overboard at different locations.
01:28:02
So back to the arrest. Schmidt confesses to his illegal marriage with Anna and admits to killing her.
01:28:07
He claims he did it because he loved her and says, quote, sacrifices should be consummated in blood.
01:28:13
No. Calm down. No. Asshole. Just relax. He also tells police that St. Elizabeth of Hungary, his patron saint, had come to him one night and told him that a sacrifice must be done.
01:28:27
And then it must be done in blood. Just the same as Abraham was ordered to slay Isaac.
01:28:32
It's like you're just putting words together and fucking blaming it on God at this point.
01:28:36
Yeah. Dick. Yeah. And also you can go through the Bible and find any kind of crazy story that can justify your bad behavior.
01:28:44
It's interesting. I mean, we see it a lot, don't we? We see it a lot. Also, from Hungary. What area in Hungary?
01:28:51
A small creepy village. I didn't even put that together. It goes all the way to Hungary.
01:28:58
That's crazy. It goes all the way to the top of Hungary. so Hans Schmidt reveals that he had also been a medical student before he was ordained and he
01:29:07
would often pose as a medical physician to perform illegal abortions and a search of his apartment
01:29:13
later turns up numerous business cards with pseudonyms and dozens of bottles of illegal
01:29:19
medication and they also find out that the dentist he was having an affair with Ernest
01:29:23
Moret, he was trying to remove evidence of other illegal shit after Hans got arrested.
01:29:31
But then he quickly buckles and tells police that Schmidt had plotted to commit a string of murders
01:29:38
and collect on the victim's life insurance policies. So he'd go to these churches where he'd be
01:29:44
assigned and the old people that he would quote fucking put them out of their misery and then
01:29:50
put himself on their life insurance. Well then I wrong though that he not crazy Then he is just right He a cold blooded killer He not right It not insanity it it a plan well that what the fucking trial is about so the story becomes huge front page news
01:30:08
all over new york in the world the next immediately and the scandal becomes this huge sensation it's
01:30:15
like a media circus the press camps outside the courthouse during the trial which starts on
01:30:20
December 7th, 1913. So his guilt isn't in question because he admitted to everything.
01:30:26
So his lawyers go for the insanity defense and claim that he was overwhelmed with blood lust and
01:30:30
he was too insane to know right from wrong. But you're right. He made a plan. That's yeah,
01:30:35
that says a lot. They get his older sister to travel from Germany to testify that he heard
01:30:39
voices from a young age and has a psychologist say that or psychology. Yeah, psychologists say
01:30:46
that his family tree showed up to 60 near or distant relatives who displayed signs of mental
01:30:52
instability which is like join the fucking club friend cut it's not an excuse there's lots of
01:31:00
family trees we're out here we're that's right forest of all kinds of mental stuff and you still
01:31:07
don't get to kill anybody no you don't after 23 days of trial the jury is deadlocked 10 to 2
01:31:15
Two people think he is insane. The other ten are like, convict this fucker. So the judge has to declare a mistrial.
01:31:21
And then meanwhile, the relentless media coverage leads to more details about his history.
01:31:27
And when they find out when in Louisville, where he was first assigned in the U.S. in 1909, the body of an eight year old girl named Alma Kellner had been found in the basement of St. John's Parish, where he worked.
01:31:39
uh-huh the girl had gone missing when schmidt was in louisville and her body was found dismembered
01:31:46
similar to anna's and the body had been burned so they aren't able to conclusively pin it on schmidt
01:31:52
but they find a local janitor who's a french native named joseph um wenling and he's convicted
01:31:59
and sentenced to life in prison for the murder based on circumstantial evidence oh but i mean
01:32:05
We never know. We never find out like for sure if he did it. But it's such a quote coincidence.
01:32:12
Yes. Yeah. You know, so even further back in Schmidt's history, German police traced evidence
01:32:16
of a murdered girl in Schmidt's hometown of Aschaffenburg that's possibly connected to him
01:32:23
as well. So who the fuck knows how many other victims this person had? Little baby priest creep.
01:32:31
Yeah. Little baby priest creep. That sounds like a nursery rhyme. It's also like little deuce coop a little bit.
01:32:38
We have a little baby creep. Baby creep. Too many words. At the opening of the retrial, his attorney is like, I'm going to prove to you guys that this priest is insane.
01:32:50
And Hans Schmidt jumps out of his chair and says, that's not true. I'm not insane or whatever.
01:32:54
It's like, dude, do yourself a fucking favor. But no, he's a megalomaniac and can't even handle that.
01:33:02
He's sane. He's not smart. Exactly. So the second trial, the judge advises the jury to really use their common sense.
01:33:09
I think he's like the second time around, can you fuck you two people who couldn't get it together last time?
01:33:14
Please use common sense and says, bear in mind, it isn't every form of mental unsoundness that excuses a crime, which I love that.
01:33:23
It's so true. so on February 5th 1914 after three hours of deliberation the jury finds Hans Schmidt
01:33:30
guilty of first degree murder and he's sentenced to death by electric chair his appeals are ultimately denied and on
01:33:36
February 18th 1916 Hans Schmidt is put to death in the electric chair in New York's
01:33:42
Sing Sing prison the last thing he says is I ask forgiveness of all those I have injured or scandalized
01:33:50
and he becomes and remains the only Catholic priest to be executed for murder in the United States.
01:33:58
And 21-year-old Anna Mueller's head was never recovered. And her remains were never claimed by anyone, sadly.
01:34:06
So she's buried in Potter's Field on Heart Island. I know, it's so sad. And so that is the story of the killer priest, Hans Schmidt,
01:34:16
the first and only priest to be executed in the United States. whoa i i now want to read like a book about that guy yeah i think that the one i said is the only
01:34:27
one i could that's the only one i could find the trunk dripped blood i want to read the other four
01:34:32
yeah like what it's five cases and i never heard of that one i'm wondering what the other ones are
01:34:38
yeah that's that's crazy yeah i can't believe they like even back then because they were so
01:34:45
religious everyone that they executed a priest is pretty big i mean how can you not though yeah
01:34:51
like he admitted it yeah he has this insane background yeah they're probably like you're
01:34:56
not a priest yeah really you would do stuff like that yeah oh man that was great thank you i've
01:35:02
never heard of that yeah me neither yeah thanks to history photographed on instagram for letting
01:35:07
me know about that one nice one nice job history photographed you better not be fucking making
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shit up like you better not be two 14 year old boys bored in a quarantine they're just like
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posting pictures of the titanic this old boat was haunted what okay let's do fucking hoorays
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let's do it you want to go first sure can i do two really short ones as one do whatever you want
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this is your show this one's called this one's from ashley lovely with ease at the end my fucking
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hooray I shaved my head last week and I feel so free and then the other one is from little underscore
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Cracker Barrel oh I mean yeah I just thought those were two perfect ones those are good well my I'm
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It's going to start as a big one. This is from Chloe. My fucking hooray is that I managed to end a very long abusive relationship.
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What's crazy is that it's been a month and his two most recent exes reached out to me and validated everything that I had experienced and helped assure me that I am not, in fact, crazy.
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We've made a group chat and have been supporting each other and are planning on meeting up for drinks after all this dies down.
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Real queens fix each other's crowns. Oh, and also do not stand abusive pricks. Love the show.
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And I can't begin to explain how much you have impacted my life. Stay sexy and don't let shitty exes win.
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Chloe. Good job. I'm speechless. Yeah. I have chills. Yeah. Tell those two other women we say hi as well.
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Yeah. And great job. Yeah. Okay. This one's from Kat Kato Pancake on Instagram. Hello, MFM family.
01:37:05
In 2019, I finally quit the job that nearly destroyed me both physically and mentally.
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Well, at the same time, I was continuing to deal with a past sexual assault. But at the end of March 2020, I was able to buy my first house and complete a lifelong
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fuck you money you got from a shitty job feels good at any age yeah uh-huh love to you all and
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remember you're worth more than a paycheck love kato oh nice good job kato good job this is from
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valeria one gam uh it says first of all i want to say love you guys blah blah blah
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and i just finished listening to all the episodes so i'm officially caught up anyways
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It's really long. My fucking hooray is that my boyfriend and I have decided to start a little garden so that we don't have to leave the house as often to use veggies that we would usually have to go to the store to buy.
01:38:06
And it makes me happy. Hope you're all staying safe and healthy. Love V and her dog.
01:38:12
Wait, is she saying her dog is her boyfriend? Hey, no judgments. Do what you want.
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Do your thing. Cute. This is from Katie Parrish. On April 24th, our third baby boy was unexpectedly born six weeks early.
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Giving birth and having him spend time in the NICU during this pandemic was surreal, stressful and exhausting.
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There were many new strict rules. And because of social distancing, our friends and family couldn't help us in person.
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But they supported us in other ways. And our doctors and nurses were sweet baby angels.
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Oh, no, no, no, no. I don't care. Go ahead. That's such a good idea. That's amazing.
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It was an amazing mood booster and gave us hope. After three weeks, we finally got to bring our munchkin home.
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Oh, thank God. Yeah. what a fucking what a thing to go through during normal times and then
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add a pandemic for everyone it's stressful unbelievable this one is from WALS and the subject line is
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quarantine projects slash hoorays it just starts like a couple of stereotypical lesbians
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my girlfriend and I started on some home improvement projects during quarantine parentheses, but not before dying my hair blue and giving me an undercut.
01:39:51
Right now we're hard at work redoing the back deck and it's tedious on your hands and knees
01:39:56
work but it so satisfying to watch the slow but steady transformation in a time where everything is uncertain and my anxiety is back to a difficult to manage level it comforting to work on something tangible that also allows me to have a modicum of control Healthy coping for the win
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Also, my girlfriend has loved watching the videos of people deep cleaning really filthy
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car interiors, all types of flooring, exteriors of homes, shit like that. And she's always wanted
01:40:25
a pressure washer, which frankly is the cutest, purest thing in the whole ass world.
01:40:29
So this week I bought one for her and wow, the absolute unbridled joy in her face and
01:40:37
in her voice when I loaded it into the car and when we put it together and when she used
01:40:41
it for the first time made me so happy. Fucking hooray for the happiness of loved ones.
01:40:46
P.S. I work for the state. I won't say which one, but Coe's has hit us hard. and going to zoom meetings with blue hair has been fucking hooray because the reactions are
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one of two extremes and excited hell yes girl or a stuffy mildly confused oh and that's the whole
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thing that's a real slice of life thank you walls that's hilarious oh my god i want a pressure
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washer is that weird it not at all i have one that's like it's not a official one but it's like
01:41:18
the kind you get at the hardware store, which basically like makes the stream from your hose
01:41:22
even smaller. And it is really satisfying. But that actually made somebody just recently retweeted
01:41:27
that made me think of the there's a video of someone vacuuming that huge blue whale that's at
01:41:32
the Museum of Natural History in New York City. Because it gets crazy dusty. And I guess they
01:41:39
vacuum it once a year. And it's the video. So look it up if you like stuff like that,
01:41:43
Because the video is crazy satisfying to just watch the whale go from like kind of light brown to then you see the blue underneath.
01:41:51
It's really funny. I have a feeling someday. Well, I don't know if Vince will let me do this because he's so private.
01:41:58
But I want to do like a garage makeover of our fucking murder garage. Oh, yeah. Turn it into like a cool.
01:42:06
Well, your garage just looks like everyone's garage. That's what they have. Every garage kind of in America, unless you do a makeover.
01:42:13
Right. What if you just keep on tiling all the way out into the garage? All the way up?
01:42:19
Just filled with tile. What is this, Morocco? People are just like... Thanks, guys, for listening. We appreciate your support. We know this is a really fucking hard
01:42:30
time for everyone. And there's confusion and scariness and stress and anxiety. And we are
01:42:37
there with you. We are. And I just want to say before we finish, it's a very sad thing in the Los
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Angeles comedy community. A comic named Richard Bain died recently and a couple of days ago.
01:42:52
And it's a huge loss, very surprising, very upsetting for a lot of people. And he was one
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of those kind of comics. I didn't know him. I wasn't personal friends with him. I mean,
01:43:01
I knew him to say hi to, but I wasn't friends friends with him. So I'm, but I am friends with
01:43:05
a lot of people that were very close to him. And I, I thinking about them a lot because it's
01:43:11
bothered me so much hearing about it that I can't imagine what they're going through.
01:43:16
But it's weird because like he was one of those comics that was like such a down to his bones
01:43:23
comedian. He was such a hilarious person and a really funny, fun person. Like he was always doing
01:43:29
bits, but not in the super irritating way, like in the way of like having fun in the real world.
01:43:35
Yeah Yeah And I think when you lose a person like that it it it hits in this way where it may along with everything else that going on It very like jarring to reality because he seemed to be having such a great time And I think he did I think he did But also people are very complex obviously And there lots lots going on under the surface for all of us But I just want to say that that he be remembered and he was very very deeply respected and admired And he just known as one of the funniest people in this scene
01:44:13
And so it's really sad. So I just wanted to take a second to remember him. Well, that's it for us.
01:44:21
We will talk to you very soon. And in the meantime, stay strong and stay safe. And of course, most importantly, stay sexy.
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any character that you play you always sort of question you know what would i do you know how
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you know find the you know the person that did it and it's definitely the thing that drew me to
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nature versus nurture in terms of absolutely that situation yeah so it would be such a huge question
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amazing you are they were talking about how impressive it was to watch you walk that line
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that you were thinking of particularly to play that because you did it so well thank you yeah
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so it was just either he's you know he's super innocent or he seems super normal he has he loves
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his family he plays video games he has friends um so it was either he is a kid in this terrible
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really well did you guys before this have any interest in true crime michelle it seems like
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you might have yeah i might have but yeah like a show called my favorite murder um it was something really drew me to the the job actually was the genre because i love a crime drama and what I loved about this one is that it really focuses so much on the family
01:48:12
and how they deal with it you know more so in some way than the whodunit part of the story
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Jaden any interest in true crime? Not really but I was thinking about it I feel like I went through a long phase where I was
01:48:26
really trying to figure out who killed Tupac and Biggie that was my true crime phase where I would do
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research on YouTube and any theories? I don't know, I don't want to throw anybody at it
01:48:43
but pretty much throw anybody at it that's smart, that's smart I have my theories
01:48:50
will you email us some theories, we'd love to hear them once we stop recording you can give us the inside scoop
01:48:57
well we always ask everybody if they have a hometown murder which is Like we for George and I, we got interested in true crime kind of at young ages because we were exposed to.
01:49:08
I lived in the San Francisco Bay Area. So there was like the trail side killer and there was there was lots of serial killers up there, actually.
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So were there any can you remember any like hearing about crimes like that at a young age or anything that made an impression on you?
01:49:22
I don't. But I today I thought I'm going to Google it, actually, and find out if there's anything from my hometown.
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Hissing Sid the Swan, evicted from River Chelmner in Essex, which is where I'm from,
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Hissing Sid was finally evicted from the River Chelmner in 2010. He attacked hundreds of walkers and canoeists during his time in the river by capsizing their boats and pecking them.
01:50:07
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01:50:17
Following a spate of offences, I love that, following a spate of offences, the rogue swan was finally captured and removed from the river in August 2010.
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