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That's Georgia Hartstark. That's Karen Kilgareth. and this is a true crime podcast
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with some other talking in it lots of other talking mostly other talking I think we're about half and half
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depending on the week depending on globally what's happening nationally and then of course locally
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personally mostly internally spiritually how was your Yom Kippur oh thank you for asking
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it was lovely We lightly celebrated, you know. May I ask and I do apologize. Oh, you know I'm not going to be able to answer whatever it is.
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Well, no, no. It's a light one. Okay. But is this the atonement week? Is this the atonement holiday?
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Or is that Rosh Hashanah? So we just had Rosh Hashanah, which is the new year. That's the new year.
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Yeah. And then I'm going to tell you all about what Yom Kippur is off the top of my head.
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Okay, it's weird because you're speaking kind of in a stilted way, but Because it means a lot to me spiritually
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Oh, I see And so you're getting emotional? You are correct, Karen It is known as the Day of Atonement
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And it's actually, Karen, you might not know this, but it's the holiest of the day of the year in Judaism
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That's why I'm trying to keep my voice down Right, but I thank you for, I appreciate you, you know, respecting my hardcore religion
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Right And I have nothing to atone for, so I'm not as familiar with it Oh, that must feel good.
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Did you know that? I'm the only one. You're just that one person that's kind of sin free.
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Yeah. Not unlike my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. You don't know anything about him.
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That's different. We'll talk about him on a different holiday weekend. Okay. Is it rude to call it a holiday weekend instead of a religious holiday?
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Not in America. It's not. I'm so not Jewish that I never even took the days off of when I had a desktop.
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job, I wouldn't even take them off work because I'd be like, they know I'm faking it. It's like
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faking being sick. You're faking being a Jew. You're not going to be able to accuse me of
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faking being a Jew when I'm doing that privately. Right. Yeah. That's my personal life to fake.
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Looking back, I wish I had because, you know, I then later learned that like even reformed Jews,
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it's like you take the day off work to to honor that holiday as you see fit. It doesn't have to
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be you in temple praying and shit. Hell yes. I'd fucking take National Popcorn Day off if
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they let me. Whatever it takes to get out of that building, you do it. Cash it in.
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It doesn't matter. Amen. Your Lord and Savior. In Canada, it's Boxing Day. I like maple syrup. I'll see you
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on Tuesday. Canadians love us. So we're basically Canadian. We're very similar. Get that holiday girl.
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Well, thanks for asking absolutely hi did you find your skeleton what hi did you find your giant skeleton conversation
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hike uh no i first of all if we i were to get that skeleton i would absolutely give it to katrina
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first because she wanted that's okay our lawyer is a fucking like a wiccan badass switch like
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is she or she just has great taste in home decor and loves halloween yes but i sent most people saw
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this happen and we've already talked about it on at least one of our podcasts but they sell
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not anymore on at home because they sold out but for 300 they had a 20 foot skeleton you could put
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in your front yard and somebody retweeted it on twitter the second i put my eyes on it something
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changed inside me. You could liken it to a religious experience. You could liken it to
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love at first sight. But I was overcome with a sense of security and a sense of that someone
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was going to defend me from all the terrible things in this world. And that was that 20 foot
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skeleton with light up blue eyes. I would like to talk to and congratulate Sue in the buying
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department who was like hey guys I have this great idea I found these like 10 foot fucking glow in the dark eyeball skeletons And I thought it be great for Halloween And everyone was like that stupid So they sold out immediately And she was like what the fuck did I tell you guys In August I was like buy more
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Yes. Sue. Sue has been pitching this at the Home Depot staff meetings. And everyone's like, oh my God, she's going to talk about the skeleton again.
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She's like, I think we need to get ready. And this year's Halloween, because it's been the scariest year we've ever had.
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It needs to be the scariest Halloween. Over the top. Therefore, we go big over the roof line.
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We have to go. We need skeletons. Everyone drives a Mini Cooper. How are they even going to get it home?
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Well, they are smart people. They will figure it out. They have the passion. If you're driving a Mini Cooper, you have the passion of Jason Bourne.
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You're going to figure out a way to get that motherfucking skeleton back to your house.
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And they did. And they did. And now people are taking pictures of people who did and sending them to me on social media.
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And Sue is getting a raise, and we're really happy for her. or she quit. She was like,
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oh, guess, guess what weekend it is, everybody? Yom Kippur, where you guys have to fucking atone for not believing in my skeleton idea.
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I got a call from Amazon and like, how about you come work here where you get fucking respected?
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I don't know. And I said, no, thank you because there's no workers rights or any kind of insurance.
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They're evil and they actually would never treat me well. You know where I'm going,
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going to Lowe's. It's black owned. It is paid generously. We always have to put politics into it.
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Always. We are just a broken record. No, we're not. We're the only. They're the only record that's playing.
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That's right. What's important is, what have you been watching on TV lately? Okay, here we go.
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Well, do we first talk about the new season of Fargo? Yes. Let's do it. Season four of Fargo, we watched.
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There's like two eight-hour episodes just to kick off with. And the whole time I was like, wow, holy shit.
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holy shit i love it do you love it or you love it so much okay it's beautifully constructed i the
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directing gets better every year there was a couple moves they did at the beginning not to be
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this much of a nerd but i was just i turned to my friend charlie who was staying with me who also
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works in he actually works in movies and i was like is it here this is the director like that's
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good and he's like oh yeah yeah it's so good and everyone's worried i think from what i heard chris
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Rock was worrisome because he's not an actor. But I was like, they don't put people in this.
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Every time they put someone in it, you go, wow, I didn't know that they could act like that,
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you know, or they were that good of an actor or Ian McGregor could play that character.
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So I kind of was hoping that Chris Rock would be good. Well, yeah. And obviously, he knows he has the will to succeed. But but he's also been in a lot
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of like what he's not good in Grown Ups 3. Like, that's okay. So I think something like this,
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where he goes, I had the nervousness too because he overplays things. Yes. Like every stand-up comic that ever
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does anything. It's like, watch me. Yeah, all eyes on me. To me, it really felt like he was in it
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to win an Emmy or two. Because the seriousness and the like, he's doing something and it's
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cool. Do you know who I am going to say that I have not seen a movie that I have
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not liked this person in? And I'm going to fucking say that he's like maybe one of the greats is
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jason schwartzman i swear to god name a movie he that wasn't entertaining that he's been in
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as much as i can't i think people get annoyed by him because he plays kind of an annoying
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character sometimes but he's always in really good movies and it can't just be a coincidence
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you know no no no he has good taste and he's well because he's been like an it boy type right since
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because he's been in since he's a teen and he's a coppola yeah yeah he's hollywood stock he's like
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low-key Hollywood royalty. He's always been a little bit of a comedy guy, but also a hipster
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guy. No, he makes good decisions. And also, I have to say, when I first saw him kind of acting,
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he had his hair forward, but a hat on. And I was like, what's happening with this hair?
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Because I didn't get what his part was. And then when that hat was off, and he has like
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the 50s gangster hair, it worked for me. The whole situation was working. like a goofball you can't i like i like it and then jesse buckley she i'm suddenly intrigued
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with her ever since i saw her like a month ago in um i'm thinking of ending things which she
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basically plays a similar unlikable character and she you have to see her in and i recommend this to
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everybody all the time but very few people listen to me on this one but the tom hardy fx series
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Taboo or Tattoo? Taboo. She plays a woman in it. It's the 1700s England or early 1800s England.
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I can't remember. It's so good and she is great. She's not the barmaid, is she? No. I'm thinking of a different show.
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I don't think there's a barmaid. You're thinking of Cheers. That's Diane from Cheers. That's Shelley Long.
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Very different actress. Very different era. But anyway, it's just a good thing if you're looking for something to watch.
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And if you like period pieces, if you like that good old snack, Tom Hardy, it has everything, really.
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Love it. Love her name's Amiri Crutchfield, who is like the narrator and main characters.
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I just want all her clothes. And I just want to watch her. And what a great, entertaining role she's got.
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It's so badass. It's so good. also that ending oh my now i can't remember if it was the ending of the first episode or the second
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door gets kicked in with the pie wait a second when when the girl the actress who were just
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talking about the nurse uh-huh is just standing in the window going there's another episode on
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that up they put two episodes up shit okay so i excited for you yay that great that what I doing after this You have two hours after this The ending of episode one has such
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a scary, weird detail thing that's one of my specific fears that's very random. What?
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Fast talking. That thing of when the villain or the bad guy is like... Fast talking.
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Almost like speaking in tongues, but she's clearly talking to the house. And did you catch that there was
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a guy standing in the street as the camera panned. I did, but okay. This is a little bit of a spoiler, but
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we know he's in it. At the end of the next episode, surprise Timothy Olyphant. Fucking
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fade to black. That's it. Okay. Can I tell my Timothy Olyphant story? Yeah. Do I know it?
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It was at a party, a fancy party everybody goes to every year that I'm friends with. And my friend Tracy
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Gatsky was there with him because they worked on the Santa Clarita diet together.
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So he showed up and was with my friend and me and... A casual Timothy Olyphant plus one. No big fucking deal.
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They just walked up into our circle of talking and me and my friend Kevin, who used to
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watch Deadwood and like drink whiskey together and we have a whole history, just turned to
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each other and he's like, oh my god, he's coming over here right now. Like we were freaking out.
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And then we basically were pretending to talk to each other while we eavesdropped on what he was saying to everybody else.
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And eventually, you know, five minutes passed and that conversation wound down. And then we kind of very casually turned to the group like we were going to join it again.
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And then he looked, Timothy Olfant looked at Kevin and I and went, what are you two doing over there?
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And it was because you were not being casual, probably. No, no, not at all. But also so exciting to have direct focused attention from that man who has played some of the sexiest yet scariest, most sociopathic characters in movies.
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And then some of the greatest heroes. You have to pretend to ignore him in the conversation.
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He just immediately was like, let's I'm talking at you. Let's do this. What are you guys doing?
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Yeah, exactly. It was just like, yes, thank you, sir. And then conceptually, I can remember the names of actors or like in this in private conversation, which is public, which is our job.
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This is actually private. Is this the one that goes out or the other one? But in reality, in that situation, someone of his level, because I think he is a brilliant actor.
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I think he has nuts range. And then all the time sexy, like no matter what he's doing.
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and to have I just immediately go kind of 2D flat and just have nothing to say and can't think of anything
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Oh I love it, I love it I love when friends change I love when friends change and I'm with
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them around dudes and I just want to fuck with them so hard Karen, tell them about that time you
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No, shut up that's all, then it's just that then what are you going to do all my brain will let me do in that situation
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and say, what the fuck are you going to say in this moment that's going to make you seem anything
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more interesting than the average person at fucking the container store. Not one thing. But we want to know, was he tall?
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How tall was he? He was the same height as everyone else in the circle. Okay, okay. Yeah, he was regular.
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All actors are... It's like you turn the size down three. So they're not six, two. They're actually
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five, nine, or ten. 5, 9, or 10. And that's what this guy was. It was just like regular.
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Height? Whatever. Manly height. An age range. Kind of reedy. He was definitely wearing like a Henley from what I remember, but
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that could also be what his costume was on Deadwood. Just borrow something from the trailer.
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Everyone was attracted to this man in our talking circle. That's all I have to say.
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I wasn't alone. Well, Fargo reminds me of Boardwalk Empire a lot. And I'm really excited about it.
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hated to see all those Jewish people get fucking mowed down as a Jewish person. That was not my
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favorite thing to see. How about A Wilderness of Error on FX? Did you watch that? I haven't watched
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it yet. Did you watch it? Yes. And I was really nervous. So it's about it's like a documentary.
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I don't know if Errol Morris made it, but he's definitely interviewed in it. He wrote the book. Yes. And he's like obsessed with this case. I am so obsessed with him. He is
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a fucking treasure. Yeah, I adore him. And the Jeffrey McDonald case I've I covered for the show
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once in some episode show my favorite show my favorite part of it. And so I felt like I know
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everything about it already. There's nothing you can tell me there's no new details that they've
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uncovered maybe. And so I was a little worried, but it's fucking good. It is fucking good. And it
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is like, I just forgot how crazy it is. The father in law so that the Colette, the wife who was
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murdered. The father-in-law is the one who goes fucking nuts and originally was supporting
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Jeffrey McDonald saying my son-in-law would never do this. And then he fucking, and it's her, it's her stepdad. It's not even like, which show your, so you're like,
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what's happening? But he's so passionate. And he's like, I'm going to, he devotes his life to
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getting this fucking guy who killed his daughter and grandchildren. And it's like,
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hardcore man it's good i can't wait to watch it i just it's the kind of thing it almost feels like
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end of semester final kind of thing where it's like here's the true crime case what do you know
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about it well what you know is wrong and then you that's wrong too it's like one of those things
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where yeah it's just kind of the deepest of dives into how how these cases get fucked up
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how this system doesn't work to me it's not about as anison or guilty because the physical evidence
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he's guilty as fuck. What it is, is the trials and them trying to get justice afterwards Does Aaron Morris think he guilty or innocent I don know He hasn said if he doesn like there no way ero morris thinks he fucking innocent i have no i guessing that but like you know there fibers underneath the wife body that are clothing front that the pajamas
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that jeffrey mcdonald was wearing like there's those things and there's that you know everyone
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had a different blood type so they know that the blood type b was in this room and it shouldn't
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fucking be there because he and the children are laying on their sides and he said he gave them
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fucking mouth to mouth and why are they on their sides if that's the case you know it's like shit
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like that that's just like i fucking think he did it but who knows yeah i want to see it and also
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just because i everything else errol morris makes is innovative it's fascinating it's all about the
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study of the human personality the stuff that makes us feel like weirdos he's just like but
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let's get into it yes no he's he's very good at what he does i can't wait to watch okay that goes
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on my list. You definitely you guys love it. And then Fargo episode two. God, what else really missed
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that one. So wait a second. They released two at the beginning to get you kind of going on your binge.
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So you know how they do that where they're like the first two episodes uncutter or whatever
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the fuck. I don't know. Uncensored. It's triple X Fargo. I finally watched the final episode of Love Fraud.
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Dude. right the last half hour spoiler-o-rama obviously this entire section but fucking twitchy McGee over here
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what the shit now look this is the thing that we do I'm going to say this in the
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beginning of this this is the thing that we do where we are armchair quarterbacks about
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true crime things we watch our opinion is not based in science it's not based in
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things I overheard my mom say around the kitchen table pure passionate fucking spewing out of our faces.
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That's all it is. And pure opinion. And I will say this. That man talking to camera
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and only blinking with a one eye like a Gila monster. And calling her the wrong name multiple
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fucking times. Did you notice that? I thought he was calling her Rachel. He calls her Heidi a couple times.
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He calls her the wrong name a couple fucking times. Could there have been two there?
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Two documentary filmmakers present? Okay, but why would they? Maybe. Okay, go on.
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Just saying. Just saying. Maybe. Maybe. But the amount you're, but you're right in what I did notice, the amount of times he
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used the name. Talk about a red flag. Do we ever talk about that as a red flag? It's someone who are trying to convince you of something and they repeat your name over,
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they start the sentence with your name in French. In an unnecessary way. Yeah. And it's like, okay, Karen, let me tell you about this thing I saw.
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Like, I don't need to. I'm fucking addressing you. You know, I'm talking to you.
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You can feel the connection we have while we're speaking to each other and you know when we are disengaged.
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I think people like that don't. And also they're trying, they're looping you back in to Georgia.
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The thing I'm convincing you of, Georgia, like pinning you down like an insect on a piece of paper is what he's picturing it as.
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Meanwhile, he's got this. He basically looked like a ghoul. He looked like he was doing an impression of a cartoon of Dracula with his hands kind of wrapped around and under his chin.
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Remember when he said this with his fingers under his chin like weaved together like he's a fucking baby doll.
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Like a baby getting his baby picture taken as a 60 year old man. It was just one of the weirdest.
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And then at the very end, how do you see this ending? He said to the interviewers.
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Oh, God. How did you guys see this ending? Oh, he says that? Yes, that's. And then when he gets out of jail and they have footage of him with with a new lady.
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Oh, it's so hard to watch that because you're like, how does anyone believe in love, believe in love ever again and trust ever again, ever?
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How do you ever have an experience? Well, I'll say this. If you're having an experience like that where someone wants to get married and start a crab restaurant with you within three weeks, run for the fucking hills.
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because what's about to hit you, you've never seen the likes of. The problem is that you see shows like that,
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and then you're in something with a person three months in, really having a good time and going, when is the other shoe going to drop?
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Vince moved in with me three months into our relationship. Is that true? Yeah. And I got engaged once three months into the relationship.
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Looking back, I should have questioned that one. Luckily, you ended up doing it because you didn't marry that guy.
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Right. And I and that was a bad thing to do. And he ended up being someone I wouldn't have married once I knew him for a couple of years.
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You know what I mean? But Vince not. So and Vince didn't have it. It wasn't like Vince moved out of his.
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OK, so it's just hard to tell when you're younger and you fall in love immediately.
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And it's passion, exciting. Just, you know, just don't let that cloud your future judgment.
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So like just don't let your checking account get involved. That's all. And if they suggest it, say no.
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And if and then you can see what that reaction. Even after Vince and I got married, our fucking checking accounts weren't.
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I just don't need to do that. You know, it's not crucial. And also, it's nice that someone believes in your dreams and wants your dreams to come true.
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Your crab shack. But a crab restaurant 3,000 miles inland. Yeah. If they really loved you, they would have said, we're not going to open that crab shack.
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Shows what you know, because it's fucking doing well. It's doing well. Or is it?
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If you looked it up, it could be COVID. I mean, in the body of the documentary, it did great.
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So the whole thing could have been fake. I will say, too, that Vince and I, we moved in.
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We moved quickly. We moved in three months, and then we didn't get married. We got married, like, three years in.
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So it wasn't like... Look, none of us think it's going to work out. And it's really expensive to live in LA.
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Wait, what? I did not catch that. I love that you had to come back around and make your excuse of why it was an okay idea for you guys to get...
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I think... Whatever you did worked. I think you're okay. You're in the clear. Yes.
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Thank you. Finally, six years in, I can take a deep breath. You're waiting for me to drop that other shoe.
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What if after this podcast is episodes up, I go upstairs in the whole fucking living room and clear it out and Vince is gone.
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And I was like, oh, my God, he was ready this whole time. There's just one light bulb just like in the fucking bridge.
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And Elvis is like, I tried to stop him. Dude. I tried to get him to take me with him.
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he took he even took the Mimi? He took Mimi? The roast beast? He took the roast beast
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He took Mimi I'm just equating it to the Grinch Oh, I get it, I get it Happy Yom Kippur to me, am I right?
00:24:42
This is the worst Yom Kippur This Yom Kippur vacation weekend It's Tuesday, guys
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What did I want to... Our good friend Skip Hollingsworth, who is a true crime writer, whose stories
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we have used and featured and who has been on live shows with us, a live show. Well, your girls are just the greatest.
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Okay, so he started a new podcast called Tom Brown's Body. The people from Texas Monthly are putting out this podcast, which is so smart of them.
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They have so much amazing true crime content. They have had such, they've been paying great true crime writers for years and years and
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years and they're having them tell their own stories. It's so cool. So listen to Tom Brown's body, which is, I guess, the Texas Monthly Network.
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If it's his story, you know it's going to be worth your time. And we've met him.
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He's a gem. His daughter's a gem. We met them backstage in Texas, right? In Dallas?
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Yeah, that's right. Outside Dallas, maybe? I can't remember which one. I can't either.
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I miss traveling. Okay. I had some news, which was pretty exciting to be informed by a listener named Zara Sheldrake,
00:25:52
Let us know. She sent us a picture that our book is number one on Amazon in the pornography biography section.
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What? How? Where? What? I don't know. Zara just tweeted a picture and said, I was thinking about buying this book, but now I'm not so sure.
00:26:13
Oh, my God. Pornography biography? pornography biography section so clearly we're either getting trolled people are being funny
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who knows i did talk about my nipples getting pierced in it so there's definitely a lot of
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smut in that book for sure but i feel like i'm sure stormy daniels has a book out that should
00:26:34
be number one absolutely i don't want to be going up against any of our sisters out there who are
00:26:39
just trying to write their story and get the good word out so um put us back and wasn't it like
00:26:45
anxiety. We were in the like, self help and anxiety section help anxiety and complaining.
00:26:52
I think that's our real celery juicing. Originally. Oh, that's right. So our paperback is paperback
00:26:58
is stay sexy. Don't get murdered is coming out in May. And I think you can pre order it now,
00:27:03
which I guess it's so far away. I don't understand books. Do you know when it's coming out in May
00:27:08
20? I think your birthday. It's on my birthday. May 11 2021. Happy birthday. And it's going to have bonus content in it.
00:27:19
And you're like, well, when you find out, you're going to be stoked. You're going to.
00:27:24
We can't see. I can't tell you. We're putting out a mini CD of songs like this. Timothy Olivan is going to come hang with us.
00:27:36
What are you two talking about? And we're like, what are you two talking about? I don't even know.
00:27:42
Looking at me eye to eye Cause you're not particularly tall or short But you sure are fast and winning
00:27:51
Cause the tone doesn't matter to us I think Georgia I don't mean to I see that character as your backup singer character
00:28:02
Because the way you're kind of like doing some shoulder shimmies But then you're also
00:28:07
It's a lead part Because what you're singing is really telling a story I don't know who that was just now.
00:28:13
That was Georgia, two small Italian white wine sparkler cans in, and I like her.
00:28:19
Hey, hey, hey, forget about it. I'm Jason Kortsman's wife in a movie. Can I please be?
00:28:28
Do you know that the reason, one of the reasons I was late to our recording this evening is because I had to update my phone.
00:28:35
Because there's a new set of emojis that are available now, and one of them is the Italian, oh my God, fingers.
00:28:41
the Italian. You're doing it right now. It's like you make your hand into a little tight
00:28:45
little. The Italian, I think they call them the kiss fingers when you're like, oh, oh,
00:28:49
hey. You can have those now. Thank God. I've been waiting. Just an FYI. Wait. The fact that I didn't lead
00:28:59
with this is hilarious, but it's because it's a corrections corner. Oh, my God. I have never seen more corrections
00:29:07
on anything than this one. On this one. And I I'm so mad. I heard it wrong. I heard what you meant to say.
00:29:15
Thank you. Which is why we're the same frame. Zoom works if you work it. I was, and I'll tell you this, that I absolutely accept people tweeting at me, letting me know when I make mistakes.
00:29:29
Because it's a funny. But I want you to know. It's a funny mistake. It's a really, this one's a funny mistake.
00:29:33
But I just want you to know that if you're the first person who lets me know, if I find out from you personally that I made this mistake, any mistake,
00:29:41
I hate you. Just so you know. So you can absolutely tell me and you can be good to know.
00:29:46
You can try to hedge it and whatever. But I will absolutely look at your name. I will look at the avatar or whatever they call it.
00:29:52
The icon that you use block. And I will emotionally block you forever So you know the first person So Kathy The first person It was a guy who did it first So Kathy with a guy
00:30:07
That's Robbie. Robbie. A.K.A. Kathy with a guy. The guy who let me know this first.
00:30:14
I was positive he was wrong. Of course it was a guy. I was, yes, of course. Because I was so, I remember doing that little speech and being so proud about running that
00:30:24
string of words together tell everyone what it is because i think i was trying to when i was
00:30:28
explaining the terrible elon school story last week or yes to georgia um you were you were just
00:30:36
like so the kids are in charge and i was like yes it was like a private for-profit lord of the rings
00:30:42
situation but i knew you meant uh lord of the flies and that's what i heard that's not for you
00:30:49
apparently that's not what you said that's it's not what i said and it's not what a bunch of
00:30:54
people who love to look for mistakes heard because they were just like, I thought I'd
00:30:58
simply die when I heard you say Lord of the Rings, which is so stupid. But the visuals everyone was explaining was so fucking hilarious, though.
00:31:07
Like, it got very funny when it was all kids for profit. Lord of the Rings. You don't want to see that shit.
00:31:13
That's magical over there. That's not fucking gruesome and smelly. Well, it's a little smelly.
00:31:19
It's pretty smelly. I will say this. any time when we haven't pre-agreed that we're only going to do one story
00:31:26
and my story is nine pages long I try to go as fast as I humanly can I should have stopped you and been like
00:31:32
we're only doing this one so it's just like I'm sure you have something to say no time I have to keep going
00:31:41
anyway thanks everybody for reminding me that my brain is slowly turning into Swiss cheese
00:31:52
for comedy. Okay, wait, there's a new show that I have to tell you about. It's called Pottery Throwdown.
00:32:00
And it's only on HBO Max, which is really hard to access and infuriating that they don't just make it
00:32:05
a regular streaming channel. There's a pottery throwing competition show? Yeah, and it's British.
00:32:11
So it's just like the great British Bake Off Breaking Contest. It's a night-night time.
00:32:16
It's a night-night in such a good way. But also, have you ever considered making pottery?
00:32:23
Yes, I did. I never thought. Did you really? Yeah, in high school, I fucking obviously lived in an affluent town.
00:32:31
In Irvine, shockingly, there was a pottery class with this hippie fucking clearly stoner teacher.
00:32:38
Did you get to work the wheel? Yeah, once you were like a junior, they let you use the wheel.
00:32:43
And it's exactly what you think it's going to be like on Ghost. It's fucking awesome.
00:32:47
And there's places now around town that before COVID, that you can go and learn how to throw pottery.
00:32:53
It's really fun and pretty easy. It looks amazing. It doesn't seem easy at all with the stuff they were doing.
00:33:00
It's not easy to make basic shit. To make complicated, beautiful stuff, it's hard.
00:33:03
I have my mom cleaned out her storage recently and was like, here's all your pottery from high school.
00:33:12
And I was like, I don't want it. I know. I threw a lot of it away, which I felt sad about.
00:33:17
But I kept one thing. It's really ugly. Is it an ashtray made of coiled up snakes?
00:33:22
That's my favorite pottery. That's what I can do. You can do that. I can roll out some clay into like eight snakes and then you coil them all up and you smoke right into them.
00:33:31
I think we need to get you a pottery wheel for your garage just so that Karen can go live her best life.
00:33:37
Put on a muumuu. Go out there. Hey, fuck you. You know what? Fuck you for the last three words that you just said.
00:33:43
You said you wanted one, not a muumuu. A caftan. I meant a caftan. And then a caftan.
00:33:47
Too late. You fucked that up really badly. So me living my best life is me going alone into my garage in a muumuu.
00:33:56
Absolutely not. And picture you living in Eugene, Oregon. And like... Atone. Atone for what you've done.
00:34:04
I will atone by telling you again that Kevin Bacon follows us on Instagram. I just want to bring some light and love into your life.
00:34:13
And you can't get mad when Kevin Bacon... Beautiful left turn. Thank you. You know what?
00:34:17
There's nothing more satisfying to a person like myself who's lived in Hollywood for so long, who's dreamed of Hollywood for so long, who's been who was a child of the 80s than to have a podcast that someone the likes of the great Kevin Bacon listens to.
00:34:36
Or at least follows us on social media. Maybe he doesn't listen to the podcast. He follows My Favorite Murder, which is like, I don't think you follow podcasts unless you listen to them.
00:34:46
I mean, maybe you follow whatever. What if he is weird? But he's married to he probably is.
00:34:53
But he's married to Keira Sedgwick. That's right. Who seems like a sweet baby angel.
00:34:58
Like, how could you be weird? I mean, look, it wasn't a sincere question. Well, listen, I'm glad we moved past that.
00:35:06
When you said I was going to wear a muumuu. Yeah. Did you see that there's a dog grooming contest show now, too?
00:35:12
Yes. Is it Top Dog? and friend of the podcast, Jess Rona from Jess Rona Grooming
00:35:18
is one of the hosts, judges. Oh, cool. And she's awesome and she's really, really good at her job.
00:35:25
She's a judge probably because the host is Matt Rogers, who's a comic. And then there's two judges and she's
00:35:30
one of them and she's definitely a friend of the family. Nice. What a family we're
00:35:36
starting to build here. Are you supposed to like your family? What a magical assortment of family members that I'm not
00:35:44
used to. This is a new sensation completely for me. It's like, I like my family. No, I
00:35:49
love my family. Really quickly, have you watched or did we already talk about, stop me if we've
00:35:54
talked about this Have you watched P P Down in the valley where the Have you No It a show on stars I believe It stands for Pussy Valley No
00:36:05
And it's about strippers in a fictional town in Mississippi. That sounds fun. It's so good.
00:36:12
Okay. It's so good. You have to see it. And they're British. No. But because you're such a fan of, is it called pole dancing?
00:36:24
Yes. There's some unbelievable pole dancing in it. I love that shit. The shit where one climbs up and they stand on the girl in the middle and then the girl underneath is pretending like she's standing on upside down.
00:36:38
Have you ever seen that shit? That is acrobatics. It's amazing. Cirque desolation.
00:36:44
It's so crazy. Time and effort it takes and fucking, what's it called when you have muscles on your stomach?
00:36:51
Core. or the core it takes to be able to do that is incredible it's nuts yeah it's i love that and
00:36:58
the show itself is fascinating and it's like it's really good hardcore respect valley if you're
00:37:03
looking for p valley i'm so hardcore respect to this like that's just it's unbelievable yeah oh
00:37:09
can we do a merch corner real quick please we now have it for like a halloween or if you're just
00:37:14
year-round goth or metal spooky halloween we have spooky elvis merch it's this glow in the dark
00:37:21
design of Elvis as like a zombie cat, right? Would you say? Yeah, or it is a little bit like black metal
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eye makeup. Either black death, death, dark, black, gothy, hot topic. Hot topic.
00:37:40
What's up, Hockett? What? Yes! so there's a t-shirt there's a three-quarter length sleeve fucking a zip-up hoodie that
00:37:56
karen was like i don't want i want a hoodie with nothing on the back can i have a fucking
00:37:59
for once in my life ladies okay here's the logic that i use because everyone's like no we like
00:38:05
we like a hoodie with a design on the back and i was like great and and we do those but every once
00:38:10
in a while, a gal like me wants to wear a black sweatshirt that doesn't have a big sign
00:38:14
that says stare at my big wide back on it. And instead, what I would like is plain black on the back, which they let me have on this sweatshirt.
00:38:22
And then on the front, there is a glow in the dark Elvis with death metal eye makeup on. And then
00:38:30
it says my favorite murder. It's a subtle, goth death metal hoodie. It's a hoodie for when you
00:38:38
you're just running to the store but you also have a lot of heavy feelings and you don't have to compromise on that
00:38:44
just because you're going to the store get this sweatshirt, express yourself and also back me up that we don't
00:38:52
always want some big old like Shenzano ad on the back of a sweatshirt like look at this thing instead of my butt
00:39:00
or whatever look at this thing instead of my butt Also, while you're there, we have the My Favorite Murder Black and White logo pin and the My Favorite Murder Stay Sexy face mask.
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Georgia do you feel ready to deliver the solo story of this week I ready It a heavy hitter I think for me and it be for you too and a lot of people our age who I want to be like I can believe we haven done this But
00:42:05
we haven't because it's hard. Because this is a case that I think for a lot of us, kind of made
00:42:12
us into murderinos and like made us obsessed with true crime, and really affected our, our childhood,
00:42:20
our lives, our parents' lives. But there's a lot of twists and turns that I kind of haven't been following
00:42:26
because it's so hard to talk about. But this is the story of Adam Walsh. Have you not done this before?
00:42:33
I haven't. Or have I not done this before? I checked it. Did you? There was a hometown.
00:42:39
No, no, no. But I may have done it at a live show and then it just never aired. Shit.
00:42:45
Stephen? Stephen, you let us know. there was a listener there was a listener mail i know that happened in like early on
00:42:54
but did you do it in florida when we were in florida i don't think so i don't think you guys
00:42:59
did a live show i feel like that would stick out in episode four you guys talk about it as part of
00:43:04
a listener story so that's maybe what you're thinking of because we definitely didn't do it
00:43:08
in florida because we put out all the florida episodes oh okay leave that maybe it's the
00:43:13
It's the oddest tool. It might be the oddest tool aspect. I bet that's what it is.
00:43:17
Okay, good. Leave that all in. Amazing. This is the behind the scenes of my favorite murder.
00:43:25
Oh, my God. I think I did that one, and I have a panic attack. Here, let me do that again.
00:43:30
Here's my reaction. Ooh. Thank you. Yeah, a classic. That's what I was telling people.
00:43:34
We're like, oh, I can't believe you're going there, whatever. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:43:38
Okay. That's a big one. Thank you. obviously so much information to be gathered from this. I got information from a Time article by
00:43:47
Olivia B. Waxman, Investigation Discovery article by Catherine Townsend, Miami Herald article by
00:43:54
David Smiley, and then Bizarrapedia, Wikipedia, an Uproxx article by Daniel Figueroa, Palm Beach
00:43:59
Post by David Smiley, and Arthur J. Harris. There's a podcast called True Murder with a
00:44:05
really interesting interview in it that I listened to. Before we get into how much this changed our
00:44:09
entire fucking way of lives as people, right? Yeah. Let's talk about Adam Walsh himself. So
00:44:18
he was born on November 14 in 1974. He's six years old at this point we're talking about.
00:44:26
He's an only child and lives in Hollywood, Florida with his parents, John and Revae Walsh.
00:44:32
He's a typical kid in the early 80s obsessed with baseball and Star Wars. He's described as sweet and
00:44:37
happy. At the time, I'm younger than him. So I always thought of him as this big kid. But now
00:44:43
that I have nephews, he's just a little kid. He's a baby. He's six years old. That's a baby.
00:44:48
That's a baby. So July 27, 1981, it's a typical summer day for Adam. He's on summer break before
00:44:54
starting second grade. He's accompanying his mom on some errands. And around noon, they end up at
00:45:00
the Hollywood, Florida mall. And Reve wants to check out some lamps that were for sale at Sears.
00:45:07
So they go into Sears and Adam spots a display in the toy department where the new Atari 2600 video games are set up for kids to try.
00:45:16
Remember all that? The kiosk was like, fucking do this. Also, Atari, when Atari came out, so I'm basically, I'm older than you guys.
00:45:27
And, you know, he's older than you. And so he's younger than me. But it's like right between us.
00:45:31
You don't understand before video games. And then when video games came out. It was the strangest, most exciting thing.
00:45:40
And then the fact that it was like Atari at home and then and then Atari basically it was like Pong at home and then Atari.
00:45:47
And then it's like it just kept going up and getting better. Like by huge stride, like between Pong and Atari is a fucking it should be 50 years, but it's not.
00:45:56
Yeah. So usually you can only play those games at like pizza arcades and shit. Pizza rates.
00:46:01
It's like the idea that they had a thing set up at Sears would be so exciting to a little kid.
00:46:07
Free. Not that many people have them. Yeah, it's a big. And also, this is just at the dawn of them realizing they should be marketing things to kids.
00:46:17
Exactly. So it was everywhere in our culture. Yeah. And like any normal little boy, he sees this display and he's like, I want to I want to try or I want to watch.
00:46:27
Like, I just it doesn't matter. Like my brother would hang out at the fucking arcade all day, who's basically the same age as Adam and would just watch other kids play video games.
00:46:36
Like that was enough for them, you know. Hell yeah. So exciting. So there's a few older boys taking turns playing the game and Adam wants to watch.
00:46:45
So Revae told him to stay there while she it was like a couple aisles down. She's going to hop over a few departments over to check out the lamp.
00:46:52
And that's a totally normal thing back then. And it doesn't seem that weird to me even now.
00:46:57
You know, it's like, stay here, watch this video game, watch these kids. There's other kids alone playing.
00:47:04
I'm literally three aisles over. I'll be back in 10 minutes. It's not you can't judge her for that, you know, especially back then.
00:47:13
Not at all. Not especially not back then. Yeah. Not back then at all. In these days, because of this boy, what happens to this boy?
00:47:22
Literally, because it would never happen. If you ask my sister when Nora was six, if she ever would go stay here, I'll be right back.
00:47:28
That would have never happened. Primarily, like you say, because of this case. Right.
00:47:33
While I was studying this, I text my sister and I was like, can you just do me a favor and never let the kids out of your fucking sight ever again?
00:47:40
Please. Like, she's like, I'm not letting him out of my sight till he's 20. Period.
00:47:44
She's like, got it. Yeah. She's like, no shit, Georgia. I love my child. Parent my children.
00:47:50
Okay. Sounds good. So Adam watches these older kids. Rave goes to shop. And around 1230 or so, Rave finishes her storefront.
00:48:00
shopping and goes back over to the Atari display. And when she gets there, Adam and the other boys
00:48:05
are all gone. And this is according to one story. If you ask other witnesses, there's a whole nother
00:48:11
story of what actually happened. She grabs a store manager and they find the security guard on duty.
00:48:18
And the security guard tells her that an argument had broken out with the older boys
00:48:22
over whose turn it was. So the security guard just kicked everyone out. It was like,
00:48:26
is your mom here? And they were like, no. And maybe Adam was too young to speak up and a little
00:48:31
scared. So they all got kicked out of the store onto the sidewalk where the parking lot is.
00:48:36
Yeah. And he's six years old. He's six years old. I think in my mind, I've always been like,
00:48:41
what the fuck is wrong with that security guard? That's so screwed up. I can't believe that
00:48:44
happened to that. Then while researching this, I find out that the security guard is a 17 year old
00:48:50
girl right it's like that's that's the reality of it yes and it almost sounds like she was a um
00:48:59
like a shot one of the secret shoppers looking for people stealing shit it's not even like she's
00:49:04
a security guard so that person must have some huge guilt and it's clearly not her fault well
00:49:10
yeah and also that's i doubt they're training 17 year old security guards of any kind in any way
00:49:17
to be handling like any kind of bullshit like this. Like that's, you know. And they are.
00:49:24
The way to handle it is if their parents aren't there and they can't get in trouble, kick them out.
00:49:28
Like that's what you did. Right. So by now the kids are all outside and the Sears parking lot.
00:49:37
And that's when they believe the older boys whose parents weren't there must have, you know,
00:49:40
wandered off leaving Adam outside by himself. And so Reve begins searching the store for Adam.
00:49:46
She's freaking out, of course. She has him paged over the public address system multiple times.
00:49:51
But after more than 90 minutes searching for him and in the mall, attached mall, she turns up nothing.
00:49:57
So she has them call the Hollywood police at 1.55 p.m. Eventually, helicopter and ground searches ensue and the whole town.
00:50:06
I mean, you know, and Florida. I think back then these kinds of things were local. They weren't national yet.
00:50:12
So in Hollywood and around the surrounding area, they're all freaking out. But just after four days, the two dozen police officers assigned to the case had basically, quote, hit a wall.
00:50:22
There was just nothing. But then on August 11th, the Walsh's, who are frustrated at this point with the lack of progress in the case and hoping for any leads, they decide to go on Good Morning America, which is not a national show, to appeal for help.
00:50:39
And the photo that they use of Adam, which we all fucking remember and is seared in our heads.
00:50:45
He's this adorable freckle face kid. He's missing two front teeth. He's holding his baseball bat and his like little league pick.
00:50:53
It's like the most John says it's the most recent photo of him. So they use it. And they and the photo becomes known across the country at this point.
00:51:02
And they announce a hundred thousand dollar reward for the return of safe return of Adam.
00:51:07
But meanwhile, and I hadn't known this that morning, John and Reve had gotten a call while
00:51:14
they're getting ready to go on Good Morning America at their New York hotel by from investigators,
00:51:19
letting them know that just the night before a child's severed head had been found by fishermen
00:51:26
floating in a drainage canal off the floor at a turnpike. Horrifying. I know. So like they're,
00:51:31
they had to decide if they were going to come home to ID this, or are they going to go on Good
00:51:37
Morning America and try to get more traction because they were already unhappy with how
00:51:42
the Hollywood Police Department was handling the case. So they, you know, I think we're like,
00:51:47
hoping it wasn't him. Let's go on anyways, because even if it is him, then we're still
00:51:51
going to need any tips we can get. And also, so the canal was 100 and about 120 to 130 miles from
00:51:59
Hollywood. So they were, I think, hoping it wasn't him. So they go on the show. And meanwhile,
00:52:05
send a family friend to ID the remains, who's traumatized to this day. So sadly,
00:52:10
the recovered remains are identified as Adams and the coroner rules that the cause of death
00:52:15
is asphyxiation. And the state of the remains suggests Adam had died several days before the
00:52:20
discovery of the head, most likely pretty close to when he disappeared, which we now know is pretty
00:52:26
common for child abductions by strangers. The rest of his body is never recovered.
00:52:32
The mobilization to find Adam Walsh, followed by the discovery of his murder, creates this massive
00:52:39
fucking panic and alarm in the US about stranger danger. You know, as I said, normally, it was like
00:52:47
if something happened in your county, you knew about it, everyone panicked in the county. But
00:52:51
outside of it, no one had ever fucking heard about this kid who went missing. It wasn't a thing.
00:52:54
But so because, you know, John and Revae were so determined and had these connections,
00:53:01
they were able to make it national, a national story. But Adam isn't the first kid to disappear
00:53:06
and cause panic in the American public. Two years before, another six-year-old named Etan Patz
00:53:12
had disappeared while walking the two blocks to his school bus stop in the Soho neighborhood of Manhattan.
00:53:20
And it was the first time his mother had ever let him walk to the school bus stop on his own.
00:53:24
That story is the set. Didn't you do Etan Patz or did I? I think he's been in a bunch of stories we've done,
00:53:32
but I don't think we've done that. I mean, I definitely know that one because it's so, again, it's another one of these very early missing child cases that went national.
00:53:42
And then the details of it are so incredibly tragic and just so difficult. Unbearable sadness to them.
00:53:52
And I'll tell you what happened. I have him later in the story as well But I think I wonder if like the fact that he was in Manhattan which in the late 70s wasn the safest place to be made people nationally be like well I live in a small
00:54:06
town, I don't have to worry about stuff like that. So when the Adam Walsh goes missing from
00:54:09
what was known as kind of a small town feel of Hollywood, people kind of paid more attention to
00:54:14
it, which is super sad. You know what I mean? Well, but is that true? Because I think it's
00:54:20
John Walsh's connections that got him on national television. I think if the Patsas could have,
00:54:26
I'm sure they were on local TV, but it's like, that's an incredible connection to have that
00:54:32
basically puts you right to the front of the line. Right. In terms of crimes like that.
00:54:36
Absolutely. So, Etan became one of the first children to be profiled on the photo,
00:54:41
the photo on a milk carton campaign of the early 80s, which is another cause for everyone freaking
00:54:47
out about child abductions. And the concept of stranger danger became all the rage with the idea
00:54:54
that all adults not known to the child must be regarded as dangerous. And I watched some videos
00:54:59
from back then of like stranger danger. And like they do these fake, you know, hey, kid, want to
00:55:04
come play ball? And it's just like absurd and weird and like, not at all what really fucking
00:55:09
happens to children for the most part. Yeah, except for the differences in the 70s, there was
00:55:16
no regard for children staying away from adults in any way. So basically, they had to make a flip
00:55:24
and make it be like, hey, can you stop trusting? Yeah, anyone that has a puppy that is asking for
00:55:31
your help, that like all that shit can be or wants to befriend you. I understand. But I don't think
00:55:37
this is the same as like satanic panic, right? Because this was basically like, we could be
00:55:41
protecting our kids way better and people should be because you shouldn't other adults shouldn't be
00:55:47
able to like hit your kids or discipline your kids and it's all that kind of thing of people
00:55:52
starting to really go oh yeah no how about i'll take care of my own kids and you don't worry about
00:55:57
it it's almost like there was an overcorrection which was okay because there was a lack of
00:56:03
correction to begin with yeah yeah the overcorrection was then projecting this idea
00:56:08
that the danger was everywhere and your children should never leave the house. Right.
00:56:13
Right. And like even not to say women can't be predators as well, but just like, you know,
00:56:18
don't trust the librarian or, you know, that kind of thing of like an overcorrection.
00:56:24
Yeah. So kids were being taken to the police station to be fingerprinted. I know Vince told me when he was a kid and they went, which was like the early 80s,
00:56:32
and they went trick or treating. they every kid in town then had to take their candy to the police department to be
00:56:39
what's it called x-ray x-ray to make sure you know there's no drugs or whatever and it was just like
00:56:45
this panic for sure and also I was thinking about the fact that in 1979 1980 the Ted Bundy's trials
00:56:53
were going on and those were like national and huge so people were realizing that the charming
00:56:58
attractive person who could easily lure women away was not, you know, existed. He was a psychopath
00:57:06
too. It wasn't just the fucking lurchy, creepy dudes, you know? Right. Yes, exactly. There's the wolf in sheep's clothing everywhere.
00:57:13
So I think people were just like suddenly stunned. So Eton's case would remain cold for decades.
00:57:18
And meanwhile, Adam became the new poster child for activists that had started a movement in the
00:57:23
1970s to stop, quote, child snatchers. But those activists had focused their efforts on kids who
00:57:29
were taken by a family member in a custody dispute or children who had run away from home,
00:57:35
which is the main cause of kids going missing. In fact, a 1990 study of child abductions found
00:57:41
that 99% of them were family related. But either way, they were frustrated by police departments
00:57:46
sluggish responses to the case. You know, at the time, as we've talked about, there was a 72 hour
00:57:52
waiting period before they do anything to help find the kid. An eight-year-old, a 10-year-old,
00:57:59
he's a runaway. We can't do anything for 72 fucking hours. And once they did something,
00:58:03
they wouldn't notify police even one town over, have any coordinated search going on.
00:58:09
And of course, we now know that if a child is actually taken by a predator, the first three to four hours are the most crucial or 24 hours to the kid's safety.
00:58:18
So John and Revae did personally believe that the Hollywood Police Department botched the treatment of Adam's disappearance at first.
00:58:26
They were fucking unhappy. And then the investigation into his murder, they thought, was botched as well.
00:58:31
And John refers to them as Keystone Cops in his book, Tears of Rage, his first book about it.
00:58:37
And actually, on August 27th, after the discovery of the head, Hollywood police said they are, quote, stumped.
00:58:45
And they scaled back the investigation to two detectives saying, quote, it can't go on forever.
00:58:52
So, like, clearly they're inexperienced or they're insensitive or they're not good or they just don't want to ask for the help of the FBI, which is how they get involved.
00:59:01
Then in October of 1983, about a year and a half after Adam's disappearance, this fucking creepy drifter named Otis Toole, who we've talked about, who was by then an inmate in Florida in a Florida prison for two unrelated murders.
00:59:16
He starts confessing to the kidnapping and murder of Adam Walsh. Otis Toole was born in 1947 and raised in Jacksonville, Florida.
00:59:23
He reportedly had an IQ of 75. And by the time he confesses, Otis Toole had already been suspected of various murders, along with his accomplice, Henry Lee Lucas.
00:59:34
I highly recommend the confession killer on Netflix because it'll show you what a fucking farce and what a complete fuck up this entire these two criminals.
00:59:45
You know it just it horrifying how many cases they were able to confess to and got away with even though it was false confessions So according to Tool confession which was made by the way the day after the made movie about Adam Walsh came out
01:00:07
So basically, he in prison probably saw that movie, found out any details he could about the movie,
01:00:12
and the next day was like, oh, I did that one too. Starring Daniel J. Trevanti and Jo Beth Williams
01:00:21
based on Adam's kidnapping and murder. He said he lured Adam away from the mall parking lot into his white 1971 Cadillac by offering him candy and toys, blah, blah, blah.
01:00:32
He says Adam came willingly, which you and I have seen fucking photos of Otis Toole.
01:00:36
That guy's terrifying. Yeah. No, there's no way. It wouldn't have happened. And so he says more about it, but I'm not going to repeat it because I don't fucking believe it at all.
01:00:44
You know? Right. It's very opportunistic. And it was that kind of thing where when he started talking, the cops that were trying to clear cases got so excited about clearing those cases that they were giving information.
01:00:57
Yeah. Yeah. It's all in that. It's confession killers. The confession killer. It's that confession killer is mostly about Henry Lee Lucas, but it also talks about Otis Toole and they are pretty similar.
01:01:09
OK. I haven't seen that, but I know that that's the. Yeah, it's maddening. It's maddening.
01:01:15
Yeah, they want to clear cases. And this is like this is once everyone, all the other police departments had realized that they were being lied to.
01:01:25
And these cases were not actually done by these criminals. Like Hollywood, the Hollywood, Florida police department were like the last ones to keep believing it.
01:01:34
Yeah. So while both Toole and his sometimes lover and accomplice, Henry Lee Lucas, they were notorious at claiming guilt for murders they could not feasibly even have committed.
01:01:45
And this is like hundreds of murders they've confessed to. They would both make corroborating statements for each other or try to outdo each other.
01:01:53
Or maybe they were trying to get into a mental institution instead of being in prison or just, you know, they get favors if they confess to things.
01:02:00
So that's why they did it. And Tool had originally said that both he and Henry Lee Lucas were responsible for Adam's murder, that they had committed it together until suddenly the investigators realized that Henry Lee Lucas had been locked up during the time that Adam disappeared.
01:02:17
It was literally impossible for him to be part of it. So then Tool changed his story, said that Henry Lee Lucas wasn't involved.
01:02:25
They accepted it. okay and while investigators said that he knew details only the killer could have known
01:02:30
we all know now how easy it is to inadvertently feed that info for the confession we all now know
01:02:38
how easy it is to inadvertently feed that information so someone can confess to it
01:02:42
it's like it's the same thing as like in serial when they're feeding fucking jay details of the
01:02:49
murder and rewarding him for getting it right so going back to the interrogation transcripts tool
01:02:55
doesn't actually give any details. He doesn't give a single detail that hadn't already been
01:03:00
made public. So let's fucking clear it all up with DNA testing and the blood that was actually found
01:03:06
in Otis Toole's car. There is blood on the fucking ground in the car. Let's DNA test it.
01:03:13
Not possible because a few weeks after Toole's confession, police announced that they had lost
01:03:18
his car that had been confiscated along with the bloodstained carpet that had been cut out from the
01:03:24
car and the machete that oddest tool said he used to decapitate Adam. It's all missing. It's gone.
01:03:30
There's no DNA testing to be done. So police still spent months trying to connect him somehow
01:03:36
with the murder and they couldn't. And a year later, after they'd already announced that they
01:03:40
had found the killer at a press conference, they dropped tool as a suspect completely.
01:03:46
Wow. Okay. So he's eventually, he eventually retracts his confession saying he had no involvement. He
01:03:50
He goes back and forth a few times. It's utter bullshit. Changes the story constantly.
01:03:55
He's convicted of three counts of murder that are unrelated to Adam Walsh's murder.
01:03:59
And he's sentenced to death, which was later commuted to life in prison. There are witnesses placing him in the Hollywood area the days before Adam's disappearance.
01:04:10
And supposedly, his car was spotted at the mall around the time. although that isn't that's not like corroborated until way after you know years later and after his
01:04:22
death in prison in 1996 from cirrhosis his niece said that he had confessed to adam's murder on his
01:04:30
deathbed well i think a lot of people believe that he did it i'm not one of them i'm not either
01:04:36
i don't know the police are so there's another person who's become a suspect in a lot of people's
01:04:42
minds in recent years, which is Jeffrey Dahmer. At first, I was like, what the fuck are you talking
01:04:48
like Jeffrey Dahmer? That's bananas. But even though I'm still I'm not totally convinced of
01:04:52
this. The facts are really interesting. So a journalist named Arthur J. Harris discovered
01:04:59
that Dahmer had been living in Miami in March of 1981. He had been discharged from the army
01:05:05
due to alcoholism. And that puts him just 20 miles from Hollywood at the time of Adam's
01:05:11
disappearance. And it turns out that Dahmer had actually been questioned for Adam's murder way
01:05:16
back when, which is like, fucking crazy, right? So when Dahmer's picture, so what happened was
01:05:22
when Dahmer's picture was in the newspapers in 1991, when he had been arrested, you know,
01:05:28
finally caught for all these fucking sick murders he had committed. Several witnesses who saw the
01:05:35
photo, his, his photo in the newspaper, who had been at the mall the day Adam had disappeared,
01:05:41
contacted authorities and were like, that's the fucking guy I saw. They were like, remember the
01:05:45
statement I gave you? Remember how I told you it was this person? That's fucking him. Which is hard.
01:05:50
You know, eyewitness statements we know isn't totally reliable, but there were multiple people
01:05:54
who did that There this dude named Willis Morgan and he wrote a book called Frustrated Witness So he was at the he worked at a newspaper It was his day off the Monday that Adam disappeared
01:06:05
He was at the Hollywood Mall in a radio shack and was approached by this creepy fucking dude,
01:06:11
you know, who fit Dahmer's description. And he and this guy, Willis Morgan kind of
01:06:18
tailed him to be like, this guy's creeped out. And he lost him when he went into the
01:06:23
toy department at Sears. And then a couple days later, he goes to the police to tell them like
01:06:28
he had seen, you know, because he works at the newspaper, he saw Adam had been kidnapped and he
01:06:32
wanted to tell them about this fucking creepy guy he saw. And they were like, yeah, great,
01:06:35
whatever. We'll get back to you. They never contacted him again. And one man said that he
01:06:40
saw a man fitting Dahmer's description throw a struggling kid into a blue van and speed off.
01:06:47
and the blue van just keeps coming up the day after Adam's head had been found in the canal
01:06:53
off the turnpike. So two long haul truckers, this guy, Dennis Bubb and another guy named Clifford
01:06:58
Ramey, they called authorities to let them know that a few days before the head had been found
01:07:05
in the canal, they had both seen a blue van parked off that exact turnpike in the middle of the night
01:07:12
and the guy, Dennis Bubb, drove by first in his trucker. What is it called? A semi?
01:07:17
Yes. Dennis Bubb drove by first in his semi and he saw a guy with a flashlight down near the canal
01:07:24
and he radioed this guy, Clifford Ramey, who was like a mile behind him, to be like, hey, let me know if you spot this van
01:07:32
because I think there's no cell phones. So if this person is stranded, we'll CB help or try to help him, whatever.
01:07:41
you know, if he had mechanical problems. So, Ramey said that when he was driving by,
01:07:45
he was focusing on the van to see if he needed help. And he said he didn't notice a flat tire,
01:07:50
the hood wasn't up, you know, and the lights weren't flashing, indicating something was wrong
01:07:56
with the van. And instead, he said he saw a white man leading through the opening, the slide door
01:08:02
on the side and fumbling around with a white bucket. And both said that they had talked to
01:08:08
Hollywood police, they called days after the head had been found, like knowing that this might be
01:08:13
connected. And their statements were dismissed. They never they said it has nothing to do with
01:08:19
the case. They never got contacted again. And I listened to interviews with one of them. And I
01:08:24
mean, he it sounds legitimate. It sounds like your dad fucking telling you what you saw.
01:08:29
Yeah, but I mean, they didn't see anything that's actual like evidence. I mean, they saw a person
01:08:35
down by the canal, but that person could have been fishing. I mean, it's not like they were like,
01:08:41
and we saw this child or we saw a thing. I think that's the one problem. Yeah. The thing is like fishing, it was the middle of the night and it was also not a like fishing
01:08:50
canal. I think it was just like a, you know, waste area. And the thing here to think about
01:08:56
is the blue van, which is another through line with all of these people. So I'll get to the blue
01:09:02
him in a second. When authorities question Dahmer, now that he's in custody in 1991, he denies
01:09:08
everything, including any access to this kind of, you know, any vehicle back when he lived in Miami.
01:09:15
And so his involvement was ruled out by police. But it turns out when this journalist named Arthur
01:09:21
J. Harris does some digging later, he finds that Dahmer had been working in Miami at a sandwich
01:09:29
shop. And at the time, he got this corroborated by a few employees who had worked there,
01:09:35
that there was a blue van, like a store van for deliveries that employees were allowed to take.
01:09:41
So multiple people drove this blue van. And one of the truck drivers also stated that he thought
01:09:47
the van he saw by the side of the canal had no front passenger seat. And the sandwich shop's blue
01:09:52
van had a milk crate instead of a passenger seat. Ooh, remember those cars that had a fucking milk
01:09:59
crate instead of a fucking passenger seat. Yeah. Yeah. Remember those cars that your friends had in high school that had holes where you could
01:10:06
see the ground passing underneath the car to make sure that you didn't get your foot
01:10:12
near that. I mean, yeah, here's the thing. This is like there's so many things like this in true crime, I feel like.
01:10:20
And we've talked about a bunch of them, too. The theories that want to connect big murders to other big murders.
01:10:26
And it's a it's a thing much in the same way that the human eye sees faces and wood grains.
01:10:32
It's that thing of like, what if this is all connected? What if it's one evil? What if it's three evils as opposed to 500,000 evils?
01:10:41
I totally get that. But also in the early 80s, late 70s, early 80s, lots of dudes looked like how creepy and weird Jeffrey Dahmer looked in the 90s.
01:10:52
Totally had transition fucking lenses and a part down the middle. And I think and the mustache and the mustache.
01:10:59
It totally could have been him, too. I mean, like, who fucking knows? Who knows?
01:11:04
And when you don't have like good evidence and good police work, it's been lost.
01:11:09
Yeah. Yeah. I think the point I think I to me, Dahmer is more it makes more sense as a suspect than
01:11:15
tool. But I don't think Dahmer actually did it. I think that it's a much simpler explanation.
01:11:20
But I think for me, what I've learned from all this is the point is Otis Tool is so not the person.
01:11:27
And the case has been closed and they said it's Otis Tool. And I just don't think it is.
01:11:32
And I think this whole thing about look how much evidence there is against fucking Dahmer.
01:11:36
It's more than fucking Otis Tool. Right. If you want to clear it and actually have a little bit of a chain of evidence.
01:11:43
But yeah. Okay. Anyway. And it's funny that you say that because about the about the what was not Rorschach, but the face.
01:11:50
It's basically confirmation bias. It's when we can see faces, patterns, and things.
01:11:54
We want patterns. So there's a photo of Otis tools like... floor mat in his car the one that got lost where there's like a blood stain and one of the one of
01:12:06
the detectives insists that in the blood stain you can see uh the imprint of adam's face and it's
01:12:13
fucking not it's not that you can see it if you want to like i saw it it's not what that is and
01:12:19
it's that confirmation bias of see otis tool did it it's it's a fucking you know virgin mary and a
01:12:25
piece of toast situation yes right exactly where it's like if it's serving your narrative it's
01:12:31
easier to see things like that and it's easier to uh you know it's this this has happened before in
01:12:37
true crime where it's like suddenly there's people that are within 200 miles of another bad thing
01:12:43
suddenly it's like well you know so and so lived there at that time i mean it is okay let me keep
01:12:48
going. Okay. Okay. Another witness. And there are a couple witnesses from that day at the mall who
01:12:54
ID Dahmer as being at the scene of a, there's a similar child abduction attempt at a different
01:13:00
Florida mall two weeks earlier. And there's a police sketch of the suspect that it, you know,
01:13:05
like you said, it fucking could look like him, but a lot of people looked like him back then,
01:13:09
but there are some similarities and it's a similar type of crime of trying to abduct,
01:13:14
abducted children. So there's some fucking child abductor in the area at the time.
01:13:18
Yes. Yeah. I'm sure there was a lot. And also remember one of Dahmer's M.O. when he was caught was decapitation. He was found with 11 decapitated heads in his house. So that to me is like more than circumstantial a little bit.
01:13:32
Well, right. It goes to an MO. It like lines things up a little more logically. But yeah, it also doesn't. I mean, like it's it's so general. Totally. What's frustrating about all of it is that that like basically citizen detectives have to sit home and try to piece puzzle piece things together because they're just like it's a six year old child's murder and they didn't they just didn't do it.
01:13:58
yeah and we want things to be right with the world like we don't want six-year-olds to be
01:14:03
fucking kidnapped and murdered and if they are then we want the fucking monsters brought to
01:14:07
justice but we don't believe it's happened i mean all i it drives me it i knowing this story and
01:14:13
knowing how he got kicked out of a sears at age six all you want is that exterior video but it was
01:14:20
like probably before the time where every store had that it's that kind of thing where like it's
01:14:25
just so frustrating where how could this be but it's like this was back in the time where there
01:14:30
was big old loopholes yeah well if you believe this Dahmer theory there isn't Rave never actually
01:14:37
says she she came back he was gone and she found out they got kicked out that did happen but other
01:14:44
there's like three witnesses who say that they saw a kid who fit Adam's description being dragged out
01:14:51
by a man who fit Dahmer's description. So it might actually not be what had happened,
01:14:56
depending on what fucking theory you believe and what timeline you believe. And if you believe the
01:15:00
witnesses who all seem like they and the security guard, the 17 year old security guard didn't
01:15:07
acknowledge that or like admit that she thought it was Adam that she kicked out until 1996.
01:15:12
The whole time she was like, I don't think Adam was with them. It just it might not eat that part
01:15:17
might not even be true. Some guy might have... So sorry, what is this part of a man pulling him
01:15:22
out? Because you haven't talked about that yet. Yeah, because it's just... It's like, if you
01:15:27
believe... It just depends on what you believe. So there's a couple people who saw... First,
01:15:32
there's the guy that we talked about who saw him walk into the toy section of the Sears.
01:15:38
And then there's a mother who saw a creepy man trying to talk to her kids near the Atari thing.
01:15:43
There's another man who saw a man dragging a kid out of Sears. And the kid was saying, you're not my dad.
01:15:53
But the guy was like, maybe it's just his stepdad. And of course, you said that to your stepdad.
01:15:57
And someone else saw a man like that throw a kid into a blue van that matched the description and never called and felt guilty about it.
01:16:08
And someone else had almost rear-ended a blue van in the parking lot that day. And he was parked illegally.
01:16:13
It almost feels like there's more evidence that says someone took him out of the store than the security guard kicking him out of the store.
01:16:22
Oh, OK. This is the agreed upon story is that they all got kicked out. And I have no fucking way of knowing if that's true or not.
01:16:30
It seems to not matter because all these statements were dismissed. I think another thing. So in the very beginning, so there was this young man in his 20s who had lived with the Walsh's as like a, you know, as like help, not help, but like took care of the kids, was like a contractor, was like a family friend and lived with the Walsh's for four years.
01:16:52
And it came out that Reva had had an affair with him and he got kicked out like the week before.
01:16:58
He was really close with Adam. And so they, you know, focused on him as the possible kidnapper and killer, which I highly doubt he is.
01:17:11
He passed lie detector tests. He had alibis. He was not the kind of person. And so anything, any kind of evidence of like someone at the mall that day being like, dude, I saw some creepy guy.
01:17:23
I think back in 1981, the investigators were like, we don't fucking care. It's not him.
01:17:27
We don't care about the van parked on the side of the fucking road and on the turnpike.
01:17:31
That has nothing to do with this family friend having done it. Right. So there's a lot of uncorroborated witnesses and statements that now just sound like hearsay because they were never checked back then.
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Quince.com slash MFM. Goodbye. So the thing is that Dahmer was known for confessing to everything.
01:20:12
So he repeatedly denied involvement in Adam's case, which the law enforcement were like, why would he lie about this one and not the other ones?
01:20:21
He said, quote, I've told you everything, how I killed them, how I cooked them, who I ate.
01:20:27
Why wouldn't I tell you if I did someone else? But of course, everyone knows that having killed a very young child of six years old would have gotten probably a ton of shit from both the inmates and the guards when he went to prison.
01:20:40
I think that's really, there's a lot to that, though, is him basically being like, I've made these terrible confessions. Clearly, if I'm going to get it out, I'll just get it all out now. And I'm still telling you I didn't do that. But it doesn't mean, I mean, again, I'm saying it doesn't mean someone who didn't look a lot like that guy.
01:21:00
Totally. Because it's just like just because we recognize one person as being this really bad person doesn't mean there's not another person somewhere else in the country.
01:21:07
There probably is. That's really bad. That look like that. You know, that also gives off like intense creep vibes where many people were like, who was that guy in Sears that day?
01:21:18
Yeah, that's really telling. Another conspiracy with the case that you and I have talked about is that a lot of people don't think the head that was found belonged to Adam.
01:21:27
Because, well, it is that of a young boy doesn't fit the description of Adam's teeth at the time.
01:21:33
You know, he was missing both teeth. The photo of the head that they found has a tooth.
01:21:39
I do think it is Adam. I think that maybe some decomposition had gone on and the tooth, adult tooth had ruptured.
01:21:46
I don't think it's I don't think it's anyone else. It was so close. There was a child his age missing and that was found within a month.
01:21:56
You know, it just I can't imagine it's fucking not him, which is so sad. But at the same time, it doesn't help that Arthur J.
01:22:05
Harris, that journalist found that the head was identified as as being Adam only by a single dental filling that he had that Adam had in the back of his mouth.
01:22:15
mouth in the same place where a lot of kids get a filling because they chew candy or whatever.
01:22:22
Back right molar, baby. Those go early. Yep. Right. So they use that. And no one ever consulted a forensic dentist. And his dental
01:22:32
records are now also missing. Yeah. So there's no way to tell. So let's fast forward to the future
01:22:38
a little bit. On December 16, 2008, Hollywood Police Chief Chad Wagner, who when he became
01:22:44
police chief had conducted an external review of the case. Well, he held a news conference with the
01:22:50
Walsh's present. And he apologized to the Walsh's for, quote, investigative mistakes that had
01:22:55
transpired during the early years of the investigation. So he apologized to them.
01:23:00
And in fact, the Walsh's, this is so fucked up, they weren't allowed to have custody of their son's
01:23:05
skull for 27 years, because it was an open capital murder case. So they had to have an
01:23:11
empty casket funeral. It's just horrific. But also, at the conference, Wagner announced that
01:23:18
they were satisfied that with the evidence, which is all circumstantial at this point,
01:23:23
and according to Willis Morgan, based only on retired Miami Beach Detective Sergeant Joe
01:23:30
Matthews allegedly biased research in which he doesn't contact any of the witnesses from the
01:23:37
Hollywood mall. He does this huge research project, but doesn't talk to any witnesses.
01:23:42
And that's what they use to confirm that they think that Otis Toole is the murderer,
01:23:47
period. And the case is fucking closed. That's it. Yeah. So basically the easiest way possible.
01:23:52
Right. And Otis is dead. Not to do the actual footwork. Yeah There no DNA to test Okay Both Walsh parents though believe that Otis Toole is the murder of their son which I think does lend a lot of like they they can just want to close the case
01:24:08
I mean, I'm sure they do, but they wouldn't just fucking who the fuck knows. You know, it's hard to question these two grieving parents.
01:24:14
Well, also, they might have learned or known something that never got out. They might be inside.
01:24:20
They might have insight that we don't have. Like, especially after all this time, who knows?
01:24:26
Who knows? Yeah. I feel like to me, that's the biggest, like the thing that convinces me most, if anything, that he did it is that they believe it more than anything else.
01:24:35
So, of course, this case being so highly publicized changed the way parents kept track of their kids.
01:24:42
This guy, Richard Moran, who's a criminologist at Mount Holyoke College, said that Adam's case, quote, created a nation of petrified kids and paranoid parents.
01:24:52
But meanwhile, the Walsh's channeled their incredible grief into a lifetime of child advocacy.
01:24:58
This is the thought of how much grief they went through and how much grief they go through every time they choose to show up and discuss their son's murder.
01:25:06
It's not like they were like, we don't want to talk about this anymore. We want to move on.
01:25:09
They're like, let's fucking keep this here for almost 40 years. So just four days after their son's funeral, Adam's parents started the Adam Walsh Outreach Center for Missing Children.
01:25:18
They also lobbied for the Missing Children's Act, which enacted in 1982 required entry of missing children into the FBI's National Crime Center database, the NCIC.
01:25:30
Like there was no national fucking list of missing children at the time. Right. It's just fucking willy nilly.
01:25:38
Yeah. In 1984, the Walsh's co-founded an organization to aid and comfort other families of missing children called the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, which makes so much sense.
01:25:50
You think of all the grief and horror the fucking parents who are missing their kid is going through.
01:25:54
They need someone to advocate for them. And now they have a group to do that. It's so important.
01:25:59
And in 1988, John Walsh began hosting the TV show America's Most Wanted, which the FBI credits for helping capture at least 17 of their 10 most wanted fugitives.
01:26:11
And which I wrote turned an entire generation of kids into murderinos while scaring the ever loving shit out of us and convincing us we were constantly about to be kidnapped.
01:26:21
And so we all memorized the hotline number. So now in 1983, when that made for TV movie premiered, that oddest tool I had probably seen, 38 million viewers watched it on its first airing.
01:26:33
And each time it aired, the show was followed by pictures and descriptions of actual missing children.
01:26:38
And a hotline was created to take calls regarding those kids. And ultimately, 13 of the 55 children shown in the original broadcast were located.
01:26:49
Wow. Yeah, including Bone Thugs and Harmony rapper Busy Bone. Busy Bone was missing?
01:26:55
Busy Bone in 1980 at four years old. He and his two sisters had been abducted by their mother's boyfriend.
01:27:03
And his missing photo was one of those shown. And it was recognized by a neighbor.
01:27:09
And they were reunited with their fucking mother. Oh, my God. And I wrote. Thank God.
01:27:15
I know I wrote if pub quizzes ever exist again, you got to remember this fucking fact.
01:27:19
But also, that's so dark. So dark. Yeah, that would have been just like a, I mean, that's the other thing, too.
01:27:28
And you said this in the beginning, but it's most kidnapped children, it's family related.
01:27:34
It's almost the entire majority. That doesn't mean that the person that took that child just because they're blood related isn't a scary, threatening, awful person.
01:27:44
or vice versa, where they accuse the mother of kidnapping the children, but actually they're trying to get out of a domestic abuse situation.
01:27:51
So that's Busy Bone. You said 13 kids were recovered. And how many had they shown?
01:27:58
So the first, there was three showings of the show. And so in the first showing, they showed different children every time, every showing.
01:28:06
And so the first one, they showed 55 children and 13 of them were recovered. Oh, wow.
01:28:11
That's good. Yeah. That's good. Yeah. So in 1994, big box and department stores began implementing Code Adam, which was used to mobilize all store clerks when a child is reported missing in the store.
01:28:24
Because back then when he went missing in Sears, they were like, what the fuck do you want us to do?
01:28:28
We can't do another. You know, they kept doing announcements over the PA system, but they were like, can't keep doing that.
01:28:33
You know, nobody fucking cared or knew. There was no process set up where it's like the entire store goes on lock.
01:28:40
Yeah. Which is what they do now. Right. So I got I looked, of course, in our email and a murdering named Carrie sent a hometown in and she said, I started working at a retailer who adopted this code as a teenager.
01:28:53
And in our training, we learned that when Code Adam blasts over the intercom, all associates stop what they're doing and head to the nearest exit to stop any child from exiting the building or anyone leaving with a child.
01:29:07
She says, I still get teary eyed thinking about why this was put into place, but I'm very grateful for it.
01:29:12
In the four years I worked there, it was Target. We stopped two, quote, almost abductions and countless little ones from walking right out the front automated doors to possibly be never seen again, which is amazing.
01:29:27
In 2003, Congress actually made it mandatory for all federal buildings to have code Adam programs in effect.
01:29:33
In 2006, the U.S. Congress passed the Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act, a bill which institutes a national database of convicted child molesters and increases penalties for sexual and violent offenses against children.
01:29:47
And as for Eton Patz his disappearance in New York was cold for decades but his case was reopened in 2010 And eventually his killer who is a man named Pedro Hernandez was found and he confessed And on February 14 2017 a jury found him guilty of murder and kidnapping
01:30:06
And at the time of Etan's disappearance, it turns out that Hernandez was an 18-year-old
01:30:11
convenience store worker in a neighborhood bodega, where it's thought that Etan had stopped on his
01:30:17
walk to the bus stop for a soda. And Hernandez was sentenced to 25 years to life in prison.
01:30:23
So next July will mark 40 years since Adam Walsh was abducted. I know it's 40 fucking years.
01:30:32
40 years. 40 years. John and Revae are still married. They had three children after Adam's tragic murder.
01:30:39
So John is now in his 70s and he hosts, along with his son Callahan, investigation discoveries in pursuit with John Walsh.
01:30:46
So they're still trying to catch the bad guy. And Callahan said, quote, I watched my parents channel their emotion and their anger and their energy to make sure that there was a response mechanism for missing children because there was very little help at the time.
01:31:02
I watched my father go on to capture fugitive after fugitive on America's Most Wanted.
01:31:07
They never gave up hope. They never gave up on the fight. So I'm here following in their footsteps.
01:31:12
Huge, huge shoes to fill, but trying to fight back in Adam's honor. And that is the disappearance and murder of Adam Walsh.
01:31:20
God. I know. I know. So old, so old and deep. Yeah, deep, deep. And also just terribly, terribly
01:31:29
mishandled. And so incredibly kind of unsatisfying in terms of discussing it as a case. Yeah,
01:31:36
because it's just like, and now we get where I'll talk you all the way up to this point. And then we
01:31:41
hit a wall. And now we're now this is theory. And now this is I mean, that idea where you're
01:31:46
talking about there's witness statements saying a young child was being dragged out of the
01:31:51
store that there were, it sounded like more than one person. I don't, it didn't sound like a ton.
01:31:55
I saw a creepy guy that day. There was a, there was a attempted abduction one town over. Here's
01:32:01
his sketch. Like, yeah, do something. All that, like all of that should have been, you know,
01:32:08
yeah, it's just so frustrating. It's funny. Cause I was going to say, I have that same frustration
01:32:13
when you're, when basically this feels like a cold case that isn't a cold case, but it is a cold
01:32:18
case knowing Otis Toole confessed to hundreds and hundreds of murders he had nothing to do with
01:32:25
like that it's just so embarrassing it's just so um yeah yeah it's just frustrating and there's
01:32:31
the question of like is the evidence missing because they wanted to pin it on him and so
01:32:37
they just happened to not have it because it would prove otherwise or I mean in 1989 did you know
01:32:44
some fucking rookie officer like steal the machete to show to his drinking buddies.
01:32:51
And did someone steal the like, you know, I mean, that's like the fun times, right.
01:32:57
You know, direction you could take it. But all those big pieces of evidence missing is,
01:33:02
is at the very least you doing your job terribly. And, and then at the most fucking conspiracy.
01:33:09
Yeah. The coroner, there's no hard evidence, right? the coroner not signing off on having received the dental fucking exam. And, you know, what's that?
01:33:19
Like, when I told you about like, how he had, Adam had been ID'd as this, the head that was found
01:33:25
based on the dental exam. That's gone. You know, the like, coroner never actually signed off on a
01:33:32
true autopsy. It was like a visual autopsy, not an actual autopsy. You know, it's just shit like
01:33:38
that that just you want to blame it on 1981 but that's they're not fucking stupid people it's like
01:33:43
they were a little yeah there were processes in place that you were supposed to be and they're
01:33:47
very similar to the ones we have now they're not that fucking different so yeah yeah it is
01:33:55
it's just a big question mark and it's that you know like i yes i i understand the appeal of the
01:34:03
Dahmer theory? Yeah. Yeah. I bet if you were in Florida right now, you could walk out on the sidewalk and see like two dudes
01:34:11
that look like Jeffrey Dahmer. I mean, I think it's a look. Yeah. I bet you could
01:34:15
look at the chair right on the couch and fucking look like Jeffrey Dahmer. Why are you got those? How come your
01:34:21
transition lenses are gray again? I know you think those are in style now, but I know your members only
01:34:27
your tan members only jacket's like cool, but I know you're all about convenience, but like question
01:34:33
if your boyfriend thinks it's cool to dress like a fucking serial killer every time.
01:34:37
Should we do a couple of hometowns just to lighten the mood? A couple of fucking hoorays?
01:34:42
Oops, I'm sorry. A couple of fucking hoorays. Okay, here's my first one. This is from Oh Low You Didn't.
01:34:48
A former patient born extremely premature, weighing only a pound, just celebrated their
01:34:53
first birthday. Fucking hooray for preemies, the strongest and most resilient humans ever.
01:35:00
That's beautiful. Nice. That's so beautiful. This one's on Instagram from Ahn84.
01:35:07
My fucking hooray this week is that on Sunday, I got to help Burke County Rescue Squad rescue a dog stranded in a 30 inch sinkhole in Pisgah National Forest, Western North Carolina.
01:35:22
We built a hull system and lowered a rescuer and a big bag of beef jerky down the hole.
01:35:29
And he calmed the dog and made a harness for him so we could haul him out of the hole.
01:35:33
We don't know how long he was down there, but as of today, he is healthy and doing well.
01:35:38
And then she writes, plug to support volunteer search and rescue organizations. They work hard to get lost and injured folks and pups out of the wilderness safely.
01:35:48
Nice. Oh, a dog in a hole. A dog in a sinkhole. They got him. This one is from Amanda Christine Rose, and it just says, I'm staying in a treehouse this weekend.
01:35:58
Yay. That's amazing. That's the whole thing. But that kind of sounds fun. It's because she's going to stay the whole weekend.
01:36:05
That's awesome. That's needed. Amanda, write back and let us know how your treehouse is going.
01:36:11
I'd like to see some pics. I realized, Vince and I realized that we haven't spent one night away from our house in 2020.
01:36:20
And so we're staying in a cabin next week. And I'm so excited. Perfect. That's good.
01:36:25
A little change of pace. This is from Kelly Reichart underscore art. And it just says leaving hospital today after breast cancer surgery.
01:36:33
Fucking hooray. Fucking hooray, girl. Congratulations. You did it. Envision. Envision big shields in front of you of strength and some pottery to get a
01:36:48
muumuu and throw some pottery for relaxation. Okay. My last one's from Tara loves tea.
01:36:55
and it says, I met my current boyfriend because I started going on walks around my neighborhood due to COVID
01:37:01
and he is my neighbor. We've never talked until I saw him leaving for work every morning. We connected
01:37:07
and are now moving into a house together next month. Oh my god, I'm your neighbor.
01:37:13
Tara loves tea. What if in the beginning of this episode we're like, don't move in with someone
01:37:19
after only three months, she's like, shit. Delete, delete, delete. Oh my God, it's the perfect ending.
01:37:25
We're like, girl, you go for it. He's probably the best. He's definitely never been on Love Fraud.
01:37:32
But just in case, please watch that documentary. Google his ass. Oh my God, that's so cute.
01:37:39
She started going to walks. I still believe in love. I still believe. I know, that's the cutest.
01:37:44
What if you like you out there and you wearing your sweatshirt with the thumb holes that keeps it pulled down and doing your walks you being very taking care of yourself And here comes a wonderful professional man leaving every morning for work during quarantine
01:38:03
Where do you work, sir? Hopefully outside. Hopefully you're a park, you're a landscaper.
01:38:08
But she sees some Hawkeye leaving for work every day. Now it's love. And thank God she's like,
01:38:14
thank God I wore my mask that says, ask me about how cool I am. because he's like hey how cool are you and then he was like ask me about i'm single and he was like
01:38:24
hey are you single you're i'm sorry your landscape company is called ask me if i'm single okay i guess
01:38:31
like that's the way you get all right i mean who are we to judge we're just who are we
01:38:36
i got nobody i bought roller skates on a fucking whim today i mean what are they your fucking hooray
01:38:43
Yeah, that's my fucking array. I'm not roller skates as a 40-year-old woman. Who fucking cares?
01:38:49
Where might you skate? I'm going to really awkwardly tight skate walk in front of my garage until I'm not terrified of skating.
01:39:01
Like an old lady. And then you have to turn around like nine feet later. Clomp, clomp, clomp.
01:39:07
And I'm going to meet my neighbors and it's going to say, ask me about how cool I am.
01:39:10
And you're going to get, oh, my God, all these marriage proposals. But here comes Vince.
01:39:15
Comes in. Once again, proving that letting him move in was a good idea. Turns out he didn't steal all our furniture and Mimi.
01:39:21
He was just getting it all cleaned at the cleaners. And now we have a lovely house.
01:39:26
It's all fine. What's your fucking hooray? Everything's fine. Well, my fucking hooray is that my friend Charlie just came to stay with me because he had to quarantine before he started a movie job.
01:39:37
And we had. It was hilarious. It was so fun and we were so lazy. It was like we were just justifying each other habits and it was really relaxing And I realized like in COVID I having a lot of weird reactions to things that aren that big that feel very big And it hard to it hard to keep things right sized
01:39:59
where it's like, it's just business. Nothing's gonna happen right now. But like, it feels like,
01:40:03
oh, this is it. We're done for. There's a lot of those kind of things. And when there's one
01:40:08
other person in the room, just go, is it me? Or is this person a total asshole? And they're like,
01:40:13
no no you're completely right that's all you need are you talking about me is it well sometimes it
01:40:17
just depended on what we were talking about look the topic changed from night to night you know
01:40:22
what i just decided you know what i decided here for what i'm coming vince and i are coming over
01:40:26
on sunday to a distance hang with you fucking to my house period yeah you don't even if you're not
01:40:31
over here we're coming on sunday you and i have not spent enough face time together
01:40:36
and it's crappening no you're right please do i would love it it helps it's so nice because
01:40:43
Look, I can. I'm very good at being with myself and I, you know, don't get like fraught.
01:40:49
But it really is like what you're saying. Just sit like you and me and Vince standing in the pool eight feet away from each other, gabbing it up.
01:40:57
It's like it's bomb for the soul. It's fucking ask me about how cool I am time. And it's going to crap.
01:41:02
Look, you're both going to try to ask me to marry you. I'm going to call the police on you because it's illegal.
01:41:08
What if it says ask us if we're single and it's like, hey, guys. Hey, you guys. this is uncomfortable first of all i need i don't need to ask you i know you're not
01:41:17
your mask doesn't make you not single oh no ask me if i'm single guys thanks for listening we hope
01:41:29
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01:41:34
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