245 - Time Is Becoming A Serious Problem | My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark

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Hello. And welcome to my favorite murder. That's Georgia Hartstark. That's Karen Kulgarif-Sai.

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I was like, are we going to do the thing where we define it somehow? We are now.

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Sometimes we do a thing where we define it. And then you laugh in your room. They never know what to say, those two.

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You'd think after five years they would have known what to say. Or would care enough to prepare it in some way.

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But no, we know the magic is in the lack of preparation. That's right. Every week we just spill stuff out of our mouths into a microphone.

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That's our guarantee to you. Good. I have two sleeping dogs in this room and they will not.

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It won't continue. So at some point we're going to have a surprise. Constant anxiety about when your dogs are going to bark.

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When I'm recording a podcast. Yeah. That actually I make a living off of. It should matter more.

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Well, if that mattered, we would have made up a beginning to an intro. True. It would be like, okay, for sure next week, Georgia on the, here's our action list.

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I made you cue cards. We start with, start with, hey, how are you? You know, what are you meeting?

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Should we not say, hey, America? Oh, yeah. Hey. And Canada and the greater, greater territories of.

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What's up? What's up, Finland? Oh, man. Hey, Finland. Hey, Finland. I see you, girl.

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Hey girl, you look good, girl I do No more nonsense Yeah, let's get serious How are you?

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Fine, how are you? Good, fine Should we tell people what we were just laughing about?

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Wait, is that going to ruin it for your show, Stephen? I don't think so Well, this is a spoiler alert

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Yes, it's a sneak peek Yeah, it's a teaser sometimes Or a trailer Stephen was just telling us about like who he what cat owner he has on for the podcast upcoming upcoming.

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And it's just look up hashtag Steve Buscemi cat. And then I have never and he sent us a picture and I've never heard Karen laugh so hard and loud.

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And then and then Stephen's comment. I'm just you tell. OK, so this cat is there is an Adam Driver cat that looks literally exactly like Adam Driver.

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and long ago we did a bit on Ellen like literally in the early days like 20 2004 or something it was

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send us a picture of your pet and we'll tell you what celebrity looks like and we had a cat that looked exactly like Scarlett Johansson and it was really hilarious

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and the cat was kind of scrappy too it wasn't like it was some gorgeous it was really funny anyway

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I think Dottie looks like Adam Scott she looks like she could be Adam Scott's teenage daughter

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Do you know that I've known Adam Scott since I moved to LA? Stop it. Yeah, yeah.

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He used to, he used to, my old roommate used to be in an acting class with him. So we've known each other since we were 24.

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Yes. But I don't, we don't really know each other anymore. Like, but if you saw each other, you'd be like, hey, it's you.

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I literally at the beginning of this year, I think, or the end of last year, ran into

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him in the grocery store and we had a lovely like ketchup kind of funny thing because he

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was a huge fan of Mr. Show. Oh, wow. So he would come to our like rap parties and stuff.

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Oh, that's awesome. Back in the day. Yeah. Well, then great. So then you can text him or tweet at him about Dottie looking like his teenage daughter.

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I shouldn't describe this cat because it's better for you just to go have your own experience.

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But all I'll say is this is an insane looking cat. And as I'm looking at it and laughing my ass off, Steve, I look down at the Instagram post that Stephen sent us a caption of.

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And the first comment is from Stephen. and it just this insane cat face and it just says

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iconic that Stephen comment I do that on a lot of cat Instagrams I love it iconic it really good iconic let put it on our Instagram slideshow of this episode But it is a preview for Stephen podcast The Purcast

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I don't want to steal all Stephen's light. We're definitely stealing Stephen's light and thunder by even approaching this topic at all.

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Exactly. Very rude. I love it. What do you got? What are you doing this week? How's your life?

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Well, medium, here's the problem. If I have an appointment that's at a 30, so it's like it's at 2.30, it's at 12.30, I will be either early or late for it. I can't do on the half hour.

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time is becoming a serious problem for me that honestly it's like i'll say to my friend like oh

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we should definitely talk let's try to let's try to talk this week three weeks will pass yeah and

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then they'll be like hey so do you still want and i'll be like what like i thought we just had that

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conversation it's all getting very blurry and strange yeah but i think it's because i just i

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I think I need to leave my house more than I am and just like drive or, you know, put on my mask and go to a Starbucks drive through or whatever.

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Yeah. Well, I saw you on Sunday, though. We saw each other's faces. Yes, it was so nice.

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Vince and I came over for a socially distanced poolside hang at Karen's. You fucking you fed me a nerd's rope and I took great pictures of your dogs and I need to send you.

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Yes, you did. Are you now a Nerds Rope believer? Oh my god, yes You kind of end up thinking about them

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I ate the entire thing And it was amazing It's so good I was going to order A delivery or whatever from the grocery store

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I was going to get a bag of Halloween candy But the one And tell me if you agree or disagree on this

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One of the bags of candy Had nerds in it And I was like, here we go. Yeah. But then it was like it had half fruit based candy and half chocolate.

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And I don't like that because they separate chocolate picks up the flavor of the thing it's laying next to.

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So then you bite into like a Snickers, but it also tastes like oranges. Yeah. I get that.

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OK. I'd never thought about that before. Shit. Well, I don't think I don't think we need to think about it that much.

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But I mean. Oh, I have a news thing to tell you about. Also, I think I talked about Nerds Ropes on so many podcasts that people started tweeting.

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Someone actually tweeted me and it was really funny. They were like, I started thinking everyone was talking about Nerds Ropes.

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And then I just realized it was a podcast you were on. I need to stop talking about candy.

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And I don't know. See, you have prepared something for the beginning. You just use it on every podcast.

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Yes. Yes. It's the same. I'm picking up the same index card sitting on my desk. Hey, folks. Have you heard of these nerds ropes?

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I'm a little offended. I thought it was like a special thing between you and me, but it's cool.

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It is, though. Okay. No one can take away our nerds ropes moment when I converted you to my side.

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It's like the Elvis turd that was just on the couch. It's a special thing between you and me.

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No, that's not the same. Damn it. Okay. Oh, I have a news article to read to you.

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I have one for you. Oh, my God. What if it's the same? Is it about teeth? No. No.

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Okay. This one starts out, for at least the third time, construction workers in Georgia have

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opened up the walls of a former dentist's office only to discover thousands of teeth

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in the wall. Look at this picture. Oh, shit. Oh, God. And the dentist office was only open from 1900 to 1930 something.

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So those are all vintage fucking antique teeth. Teeth. Oh, my God. That he would just like throw over his shoulder, probably, and like into the wall.

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He had a great aim. It was his version of having like the little basketball hoop.

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Yes. The Nerf. It was like his Nerf basketball hoop from 1910. 1910. Yeah. And we're saying we're saying he because women weren't allowed to do anything

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back then. So it definitely was true. Probably. It's a safe assumption. It's a very pretty

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assumption. Although if you have a relative that was a groundbreaking dentist in the 10s,

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it was a lady. The first female dentist. It was what's interesting. And you would just

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look this up. But instead, you're sexist. Goodbye. Okay, what's yours? That's crazy.

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I mean, I feel like we've gotten that story. We've heard stories like that over the years,

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at least once before, but in Georgia, it's already happened three times. It's like an epidemic in Georgia, apparently.

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That's crazy. I don't know why I feel proud a little bit because my name is just George. I have nothing to do with

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the state, but I'm a little like proud of us. You know, and you should be as you should be. Also, you know what I was thinking the other day,

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Because I read, I was reading, oh, this book I'm reading that I really like. And the state of Georgia gets brought up in it.

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And then I was like, it's such a good name. Yeah. Have we had this discussion? It's such a great name.

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Thank you. I say that because I hated it when I was a kid. And then now I'm like, fucking own it.

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It's a great name. Yeah. It really is. I think it's like part of my personality, too.

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You know what I mean? like if i had something else i were like i would have been a different fucking person completely

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is that true do you think i mean if you weren't potentially yes if you weren't karen's you think

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you just be a different person if you were like me yeah i think yes for sure because first of all and i told you this no one could rhyme anything with Karen So the meanest thing they could call me was the Red Baron And I was like you fools It doesn hurt at all

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Don't even try. Get away. So there is that like, yeah, it's it's your like my my cousin wanted to.

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I won't say the name because then people get hurt. But my cousin wanted to name his firstborn a certain name.

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And when he told my sister, she was like, so you just want her to be unpopular. But it was they were trying to do one of those old fashioned, you know,

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Agnes style names, but don't be mad because I actually think Agnes is a very cool name.

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It's a very good name. There's a couple old-fashioned names that are old because

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they went away for good reason. Let them go away. No, we're just going to name someone who listens is going to be named

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or their beloved grandma. We're going to bring back ratings, feelings. It's fine.

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Make it work. Sloan that ever listened to us is never going to listen to us again.

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Sloan is a great name. I love the name Sloan. That's a beautiful name. Sloan. Did you have a

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thing? I have another name that I really like, but I have to fold it into something else I'm going to tell you.

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This is the news item I printed up for you, which somebody tweeted on Vice. I think our friend Josh Mankiewicz

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retweeted this on Twitter. Shout, But remember the story of Kim Wall, who was the Danish journalist who got killed by the guy that invented his own submarine?

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Yes. That guy, his name's Peter Madsen, escaped from jail by taking a prison psychologist hostage and walking her out of this jail.

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They caught him. He's back in jail. So he only got a kilometer away, which as Americans, we have no idea how far that is.

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So he got around the world. He got three baseball stadiums away. He got a 400 meter dash away.

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He got three minutes of skipping. He's back. He's back in jail. That's the most important part.

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But anyway, I was just kind of that's just almost in the in the topical true crime news area that I just went, oh, my God, this guy, he won't quit.

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What a dick. But other than that, I have a couple new TV shows that I've watched because I aside from time not working normally for me, I've become procrastinating things like things I don't even need to procrastinate.

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I'm like calling people and being like, can you cancel that for today? Can you like it's so I'm getting it's like my new passion and hobby is to is to do it.

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Make sure you procrastinate. Yeah, you got to do it. Make sure you say in these trying times.

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We're like, sorry, I just really need to put that off for today. And it's like you made the appointment.

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It was your it's not a hard. No, you don't. You don't at all. Yeah. But it's so nice when you like suddenly don't have anything.

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when you thought you had everything and you suddenly have nothing for the day. Suddenly it's a blank slate.

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It's like the room gets bigger and all of a sudden the TV becomes more beautiful.

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If you can imagine that, a more fascinating television. And the weather has been like weird and foggy here.

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So it's like, oh, and I just, I can't do anything. It's so beautiful out. I probably should have soup and put on an Irish Fair Isle sweater and curl up.

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It's like, it's 82. I know, but for LA, actually, last night when I got into bed, I had a duvet inside of a duvet cover and I had to take it out because it got so hot.

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And this was, you know, I did that, say, a month ago because I was like, what am I doing?

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I don't need to sleep under this duvet cover. whatever last night when i got into bed i was laying there reading and i was cold and then i

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basically had to go change into like long sleeve long pajamas and put on like winter pajamas

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and because there was no way i was putting a duvet in a duvet cover in the middle of the night

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but um i was like oh that's that's how we know the season's turning that's how you know in la

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is you need a light duvet yeah you go from a single sheet to a light duvet and that means

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for two and a half months and then it's 82. Then you're sweating and it's Valentine's Day.

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Hey, what's up? Okay, what's your show? Okay, I have four. But I'll do them fast.

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I have none, so you can take mine. Oh, okay. I'll do your voice for the second. Great. Good luck with that.

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Just that. Okay. I don't talk like that. I like TV. I'm on TV. Here's you. Okay.

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The first show. Okay. Remember in the Ricky Gervais Netflix show Afterlife? I loved it.

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Remember the sex worker named Daphne? Yes. Who was just the best vibe. The best.

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The most genius. It's such a wonderful part. Well written. Hilarious. Yes. Well, that woman is a woman named Roshane Kanady.

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I believe I'm pronouncing that right. But there's lots of ways to go wrong there.

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she has a series called Game Face on, it's on streaming whatever. It is so fucking funny. What is it?

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It's just her kind of trying not, it's like it's a typical setup where it's just like her and her crazy life and

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she like an actress that also has to be a temp But it her personality so I guess she started as a stand up Oh wow Does stand up or whatever So it like it and she is the she created this show herself

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Wow. So it's like it's her own vehicle. It's really funny. There's some stuff that happens

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in it that is so hilariously insane. It's just like a great, great show. I watch it. Game face.

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Then there's another show that like then you start getting things suggested for you along the lines.

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So the next one was, it's a show called The Other One. It's so good. Remember Catastrophe, the Rob Delaney, Sharon Horgan show?

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So good as well. The babysitter that they get who has the accent and she has all her hair pulled back.

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And she's like, you know, I can't do the accent. I don't know where she's. she's from a certain part of London that is very like,

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she's like a, yeah. You know, she has a certain kind of accent. I don't know. I don't know how to explain it.

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Cause it, maybe it's Cockney or maybe it's a different area, but she's just basically kind of supposed to be quote unquote street.

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I think. Okay. And she's really funny. She's like the babysitter. She just doesn't give a shit all the time.

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Okay. So she's in this show called the other one, the other ones, plural. and it's about

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mom and daughter and the husband has just died the father's just died and then they find out he has a secret family

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and the secret family is that woman who's the babysitter and then her mother who is the woman

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from shit sorry I should have written all this down because I didn't see if we'd get this far in

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it's basically a bunch of your favorite British people who are really good at acting.

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And the two of them, so it's basically like kind of the snobby upscale people who then have to deal with

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the father's other family. It's so good. I love that premise. That's such a great idea.

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It's really good. And it's not, they don't do with it what you expect and it makes it so much funnier.

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Yeah. It's great. Love it. That one. Checking that off. Check that off. And then there's one called

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not safe for work. And that is basically it has the vibe of like the office a little less

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verite. And it's this woman who basically works at this place. And then she finds out she's getting

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sent up to Northampton. I think it was it is, which is basically where they send all the people

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who are bad at the job. And she's like, but I'm great at the job. This doesn't make any sense.

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and she gets up there it's it's just an it's like an office comedy it's brilliantly done it is like

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i couldn't stop watching it i definitely binged that that's called not safe for work okay and

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everyone in it is super talented and super good and they and you also recognize them from if you

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like british shows from a bunch of other shows that's all if you look british comedy female

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driven British comedy is like three in a row. I was like, seriously, I was just kind of watch

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whatever came on. And they're also well written, funny, great. The problem is over there, they do

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like one season of a show. And they just because it was like one of these shows was from 2017.

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And I was like, there's only one season of this. Why? It's so good. They do that a lot.

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And then the last one is just I finally watched the it's on Hulu. And it's the biography. I want

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my MTV, about the MTV, you know, yes, it's, I kind of, it was one of those things again,

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where I didn't watch it right away. Cause I'm like, I'm going to have all kinds of feelings

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and the visuals, whatever. I literally found myself cheering aloud at certain parts. There's,

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it's such a good, like if you are younger than generation X and you are interested in why we

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are the way we are or you know like or you're interested in the trends from the 80s or whatever

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it's such a good comprehensive visual like yearbook of this time how they built this network

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and it was our entire lives it was our entire lives around and remember how so the thing the

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way i found out about mtv was they put they ran ads on local tv that was just sting or mick jagger

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or someone popping up Pete Townsend and going, I want my MTV, call your cable provider. And then

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they put your cable providers number on the screen. So it's like, the individual places did

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it? Yeah, because they couldn't get most of the cable providers to agree to host their basically

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teenage show. And there's, it starts out explaining how no, there was no TV that was aimed toward kids

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in like the late 70s, early 80s. It was all adult conceived and adult directed. VH1 and we wanted our MTV.

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I can't even, it's so weird. I just like realize that people younger than us don't realize how fucking

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huge MTV was like as a kid. That was your entire fucking life. It was your life. And I actually think as good

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as a job they did and man, they started talking about how they got like those creatives where when they, you know

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how the logo art would change so like the logo would stay the same but then all the art around

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it would change. The reason it was like that is because they brought in all these examples for

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the guy to pick and he just went let's use them all and it was this idea that they set up that it's like this is 24

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hour it's always going to be changing this is the new 80s like this is life now everything's going to go fast

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for fucking teenagers. It's fascinating and then there's just all these moments the first time I ever ditched

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school, I was like in fifth or sixth grade and I stayed home to watch the premiere of

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like a fucking Debbie Gibson video. yes only in my dreams uh no it's like electric youth there's some electric youth i was just like

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well fuck it i'm not going to school till 10 today because hell yes happening yes i was when the

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thriller um video premiered um i was at holly gardner's house holly gardner who's now been

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made famous by the terrible tampon in the suitcase story um but that wasn't her the only moment we

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had we we shared a wonderful childhood and it was like i guess in sixth grade or sixth or seventh

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grade and we it was appointment tv we went to her house and wait and it was a countdown till the

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thriller video yeah it's just like watch it if if you can if you're like gen x like me and this was

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like a thing that like hypnotized you as a kid it's such a satisfying series show your teenage

00:24:50

kids now because we're old enough to have teenage kids. Isn't that weird? Gross. I know. Gross.

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Cool. Yeah, that's my whole that's my whole one. What have you haven't you have no been watching

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anything? We're watching the same. We're going back. No. Oh, yeah, we need I get it. It's just

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not happening right now. Got it. What about podcasts? No. I'm just taking a break. I'm

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taking a break from everything. I've read a couple books, which is nice. Oh, that's very good.

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Not drinking just like completely changes my like, my whole schedule. Like, no, I can't do the same

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things anymore. I have to like, go at nine o'clock, I have to go downstairs and get into bed to read a

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book or take a bath or something. Otherwise, I'm in a fucking drink. You know? Yeah. Well, that's good that you've come up with these other things to do, though.

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Yeah, that's nice. It's getting boring real quick. But then I wake up and I don't feel like shit. So

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that's nice. Yeah, that is, you just got to tip the tip that seesaw toward the not feeling like

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shit is a good thing. Yes. Believe me, I've been talking about nerds ropes for three weeks. So it's

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not like I'm saying that in any kind of high horse way. Speaking of a good thing, let's do

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exactly right news. Let's do it. Well, I think the most exciting or let's not judge, let's not have

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it be that way sure and exciting piece of information we're about to debut a new um logo

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for ssdgm that um someone drew for us in like i think the summertime yeah and uh we decided to

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hold it off just because we didn't know what was going on or anything and now we get to premiere it

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and it's based off of something you wanted right you were like i want this to look

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yeah I just wanted I just wanted a new feel because we've done kind of all the things and you know look

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could be interesting but it just is like it's SSDGM but it's it basically is it's it

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reminds me of um Schoolhouse Rock yeah in terms of the art it's very 70s art it's super cute

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and it looks like it belongs on a lunchbox so we made lunch boxes of it good news goth girls everywhere yeah right although

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there's not that there's not that much black it's it's kind of pastel-y i think it's more like a

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riot girl like emo girl kind of a thing so bring well whatever kind of girl you are take a look

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because we are now um we are premiering that new ssdgm logo and we've got t-shirts tank tops mugs

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the legendary lunchbox tumblers. Right. Myfavoritemurder.com. The store is there on that website.

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Oh, and this is the... Denton pointed out that this is the design that actually made me cry during one of our meetings

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because I loved it so much. I just love it. You're so sick of seeing cutesy things

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with cutesy writing and cutesy flowers that when you saw it, and I'm always like,

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I love it, I love it. And then when finally something for Karen showed up as the DM.

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This is what I'm talking about. I love it. She cried. I mean, I like cutesy too.

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But how about, you know, we can do all kinds of tones and feels. Only to cutesy.

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It's next level shit. That's right. It's for everyone. Okay. Exactly right. Hey, here's a couple exactly right podcasts that are doing something fun this week.

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on this week's episode of Bananas Kurt and Scotty have musician Phoebe Bridgers friend of the fam

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we love her it's so funny they talk about weird news like a woman who fell off a cliff trying to save

00:28:43

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00:29:28

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that's going to come out. Is it time for me to do my story, Georgia? Since it's a one,

00:31:01

it's a one-er. God, I loved last week when you just did yours and you were just like,

00:31:07

mine's really long. Should we just like, yes, again, procrastination. Yeah. But then this week, it's your turn.

00:31:15

The burden's on me. Let's see. I tried roller skating once, by the way, with my week and it didn't go well.

00:31:22

And I've given it up already. Hold on now. Where did you do it? Outside of my house on the I know.

00:31:29

But no, Vince had to hold me up the entire time. I wouldn't let him. I was terrified.

00:31:35

And then I just had this realization that I could really hurt myself. Like really, really hurt.

00:31:41

Like I posted it on Instagram, this like photo, like I'm doing it. And then, but like a long time ago, I bruised my tailbone or I like cracked my tailbone.

00:31:49

So I'm really scared. And then all these people are like, go get them, Georgia. You can do it.

00:31:53

Hey, once I broke my wrist when I was roller skating. And then people like sweetly were just like, yeah, me too.

00:31:59

Telling me they're horrible injuries from roller skating. Yeah. And I was like, wait a second.

00:32:04

I'm 40. I don't want to break anything. I don't want to go to the hospital. I don't want to hurt myself.

00:32:11

But it's for Instagram likes. do it i did it i got one post up and it was liked a lot and i look fucking cute in it and now i can

00:32:21

put those fucking roller skates in the basement and uh save them for i don't know never save them

00:32:27

for when the moonlight roller rink and over in glendale opens back up and we go to like

00:32:33

fucking 80s mtv night that's a great idea great because when you fall at the roller rink yes i

00:32:38

mean you may have that's where you may have broken your tailbone which it's not it's on the

00:32:43

sidewalk. Yes. I think you can throw yourself into a carpeted wall. That's what you need to do because it's all

00:32:51

about stopping the forward motion if you're out of control. But city streets ain't it because there's

00:32:56

gum and holes and gravel and shit. I don't know what I was thinking, but I'm giving that up and I'm going to

00:33:03

try to have another hobby soon. Ice skating? No. That's not going to maim me in any way and make me go to

00:33:11

cars with no brakes. Driving cars with no brakes. Let's see. Swords? Just fucking do sword shit

00:33:20

in the park. Perfect. Did you see that story? Somebody retweeted this and I can't stop thinking about it.

00:33:27

I do this all the time where I look at Twitter and I absorb it, but I don't save or fave

00:33:33

any of the stuff. We all know this because I do it every week, but somebody posted a picture talking

00:33:39

about how disturbing... We're all talking about social media and the social dilemma, which is the amazing special on Netflix about how totally fucked we are with all this stuff and how it's affecting us.

00:33:52

But somebody posted a picture. There is a private jet set. So it's like the Hollywood set.

00:34:02

That if you were on a sitcom, you would go and sit on that. And it's like, oh, this is the scene where we're in a private jet.

00:34:07

that Instagram influencers are using to pretend that they are on private jets. Stop it.

00:34:13

Because people started recognizing that's that same jet. And then basically, oh, that's from Veep.

00:34:19

I think I saw that on the set of Veep. Why does that say that the president's playing?

00:34:24

What? Do you know there's a, oh my God, go on. Well, no, no, no. My point is just, I keep thinking about it because, you know, when I see like people

00:34:32

from Instagram, it's like some of those Kardashian pictures where I'm like, oh, my skin will

00:34:36

never glow like that. And I will never have like, it's too late for me because like the monologue

00:34:43

that starts in my head about how I hate pictures of myself. Well, the reason is because I'm comparing

00:34:48

myself to mannequins, to 3D images that were created in a computer. These are not real people.

00:34:55

They're not real situations. And they have people who make them look like that. There's a subreddit that's called Instagram

00:35:02

reality where they'll show the photo that someone posted and like how tiny their waist is and how

00:35:07

hot and big their butt is. And then they'll like, look at the, look at the wall in the back and the

00:35:11

wall's like bending because it's really good. Or like, there's like people without pores that don't

00:35:18

have pores in their lives. It's like not fucking real. These people are, I mean, it's fine. Do your

00:35:24

fucking thing. But it's, but when, but people like who have low self-esteem or who feel bad

00:35:28

about themselves need to not fucking take that seriously. Or eating disorders where you're,

00:35:32

you're taking, you know, and I will speak just for myself in this where it's always an issue for me.

00:35:38

And it's always a concern of mine. And it's a problem because, again, because I grew up in the

00:35:43

eighties where you had to be 89 pounds on coke and blonde. Yeah. And back then it was all kind

00:35:52

of real because I guess they didn have the technology But when you bring when I bring my issues to social media it only basically to get beaten up I going to the playground to get my face punched by feeling bad about how great everyone looks like

00:36:10

I was looking at there's like a group of friends picture that somebody posted on Twitter for some reason.

00:36:17

And I was like, oh, my God, I would look terrible if I was in that picture. I'm like, they're 26.

00:36:23

like I did that 25 years ago I'm not supposed to look like that I looked fine then

00:36:29

no none of this like we're all comparing it's like we're all back in high school

00:36:35

whether you're fucking 50 or 18 or fucking 8 like it's really not good for us take it all with a grain of salt I guess

00:36:47

also if somebody could take whatever Georgia posted in her skates and somehow animate that to make it look like she's going off a jump like

00:36:59

Tony Hawk. We'd love to see it. Basically, live for Georgia and make it look like what she posted.

00:37:05

It's like, now I'm the best roller skater of all time. You might be able to because I look like

00:37:09

I'm sitting on a curb tying my skate. So you might be able to look like I'm doing a jump where I pull

00:37:15

my, you know, pull the board up high. You just basically posted a picture of like, I'm getting

00:37:21

ready and then just never never did anything else there was no hands available to take photos of me

00:37:26

while i was skating because i wouldn't let go of vince truly i like kind of hurt him when i was my

00:37:32

grandpa so there was no one to take a photo i was like okay put my skates on and then don't let go

00:37:38

of me please oh shit i just don't want to do that to him again skateboarding another fucking thing i

00:37:44

hurt myself really bad at when i tried it's tough don't try the answers don't try because then you

00:37:50

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Goodbye. Well, this week, I'm going to do the Pied Piper of Tucson. Okay. We've never done this one before.

00:40:05

I don't think I know it. It's old. It's from the 60s. Okay. And it's been covered a lot because it's one of those things that wasn't just the case itself.

00:40:17

It was then kind of taken at the time to reflect a cultural issue. And so it's pretty interesting.

00:40:26

And the reason I picked this one is because I got this tweet and so did you. Are you fucking stalking me on Twitter?

00:40:35

So did you. Yeah. Yep. I'm blocked. Yep. I like to check your mentions. Don't you dare block me.

00:40:43

This is from a listener named Brenna. And she said to both of us, added both of us.

00:40:49

I'm an English professor at LSU and just read Where Are You Going? Where Have You Been?

00:40:55

Which is a short story by Joyce Carol Oates with my intro to fiction class, not realizing it was inspired by this article about the Pied Piper of Tucson.

00:41:05

Would love to hear it on the pod. Beautiful. And yeah, so she linked this article from Life Magazine 1966 called The Pied Piper of Tucson. And the other just so thank you so much, Brenna, for sending that. And because she's a professor, she didn't just send the suggestion, but she linked the article so that so that the research would be there.

00:41:27

But I also used myazbar.org, Murderpedia, Wikipedia. And once again, Jay found a research document from Radford University from their psychology department.

00:41:39

I used one of these once before at a live show, I remember, because they break down criminal cases or killers and they break them down because they're psychology wise.

00:41:51

So they give a really great chronology by year listing the year age and then the event that happened And they go through the whole thing of like is the triad of you know

00:42:05

is the dark triad in there? Is this, is this? And basically it's for, it's them basically learning that stuff.

00:42:13

But when you're doing these stories, you can go in and know exactly the year the thing happened.

00:42:18

It's amazing. So thank you to Jacqueline Mullins, Shana Brown and Quentin Preston.

00:42:26

They're the ones that researched and summarized all this information for the Department of Psychology at Radford University.

00:42:33

I'm like excited about this one that it's so interesting that psychologists have to like fucking take it apart and shit.

00:42:40

Yeah, it's well, yeah, because it is. It's one of these. It's an interesting one.

00:42:46

They also a crime to remember covered this, too. Cool. Yeah. such a good show yeah so well done so okay

00:42:53

okay so it's may 31st 1964 and 15 year old aline row gets ready for bed so she can get up early

00:43:07

for a test the next day at school she has a test at 6 a.m fuck that shit i mean horrifying um she's

00:43:15

a sophomore at Palo Verde High School in Tucson, Arizona. She's an above average student. She's

00:43:20

very pretty. And she has dreams of going to college to become an oceanographer. Her parents

00:43:28

are recently divorced and she and her newly single mom, Norma, they just moved to Tucson

00:43:34

the year before. Aline adjusts to life in her new town quickly. She makes friends with a neighbor,

00:43:41

18 year old Mary French who's a high school dropout and for some reason Jay included in his research that she was

00:43:50

in quotes frumpy and it made me laugh for so long what the fuck you live 18 years of your fucking life

00:43:58

getting by to be described as frumpy frumpy forever you know she was wearing some moss green sweater

00:44:07

like she just got pulled in a cardigan that was a little oversized sorry i can't be a supermodel all goddamn day and night um she was like the first one to wear

00:44:17

pants in her town the girl to wear pants in her town so they call it from i argue for frumpism at all times absolutely i'm a big frump supporter careful okay

00:44:30

oh my god so mary has this boyfriend um mary works at a the nursing home in town and she met

00:44:41

the son of the owners of this nursing home and his name is charles smitty schmidt um he's 21

00:44:50

mary's 18 um he has jet black hair and a drawn-on beauty mark on his cheek and he wraps his cigarettes

00:44:58

up in his fucking white t-shirt sleeve yes he's doing complete elvis drag okay or uh like he is

00:45:04

he wants people to think he looks like elvis he wants people to tell him he looks like elvis like

00:45:09

it's a it's his obsession okay um in addition he's five three okay sometimes and sometimes

00:45:15

schmitty his friend 19 year old john saunders hangs out too john saunders tall and gangly

00:45:23

schmitty five foot three it's a hilarious combination so funny not really um okay so

00:45:29

aline's mother doesn't like mary french she thinks she's a bad influence um on her daughter

00:45:35

Aline. She doesn't, she's seen the kids that they hang out with racing up and down the street.

00:45:41

Street racing was big in Tucson at the time. And she's also caught Smitty staring at her with what

00:45:50

she calls pinpoint eyes. She has an especially bad feeling about him, but she's also so glad her

00:45:56

daughter has friends that she can't complain. And she's a single mother. So she's, you know,

00:46:02

She can only do what she can do. Yeah. So Eileen goes to sleep that night, May 31st, 1964.

00:46:08

And Norma heads out. She's for her night shift. She's a nurse. Okay. So she goes to Tucson Hospital.

00:46:15

Once Norma leaves, Mary, Smitty and John pull up to the house. Mary taps on Eileen's window and wakes her and invites her to come out drinking with them.

00:46:25

So, of course, Eileen goes because right high school, that's your high school dream.

00:46:30

And these kids are older. So she's 15. She's 15. She's 15, and these kids are 18, and then the boys are even older than that.

00:46:39

So it must have actually been very thrilling to be included and, hey, come on, we got to party.

00:46:45

Oh, my God, for sure. So Smitty drives all of them out to one of their usual drinking spots in the secluded desert in the dark of night.

00:46:54

They park and walk down into the wash, which is a dry creek bed that only fills up seasonally.

00:47:00

Jay literally left the definition in because of I think because the last time when we talked about a slough or a slough, whatever, I think we discussed how it would be pronounced.

00:47:13

And someone wrote in when we talked about that and said that the Petaluma River was considered a slough or slough, which I found offensive.

00:47:23

Anyway, so they're down and they're drinking, right? This is kind of just what kids do, you know, like to get away, go drink a beer out in a weird field somewhere.

00:47:33

We drank in the in the Orange County, like a river bed, like the L.A. river. Did you?

00:47:38

Uh-huh. Was it cement like the like from Greece? Cement and empty. Yeah, it was exactly like it was like from Greece.

00:47:45

Yeah. Nice. Love it. And you took it. You take off your neckerchief and then start the drag races.

00:47:51

Yeah. You're you're the best dancer from St. Bernadette. okay so they're out there. They sit and they chat. And then according to Mary Smitty, sorry. And then later,

00:48:07

according to Mary, Smitty and Mary walk back to his car and they leave Eileen and John behind.

00:48:13

But then as they're walking, they hear a cry. So Mary goes on and gets into the car alone and

00:48:20

Smitty goes back to the wash. Mary sits in the car alone for 45 minutes. And then John shows up

00:48:26

at the car and says that Smitty wants her to come back to the wash, but she says she refused.

00:48:31

So then he leaves and 10 minutes later, Smitty appears, gets in the car beside Mary.

00:48:37

Oh no. And in an excited voice says, we killed her. I love you very much. And then he kisses Mary and

00:48:45

he grabs a shovel from the trunk. And then he and Mary walk back to the wash where John is,

00:48:52

And they find him standing over Aline's body. She has blood on her head and her face.

00:48:58

She's laying face up. Then they dig a shallow grave, put Aline in it, wipe Smitty's car clean of her fingerprints and leave.

00:49:07

So Tucson in the 60s is basically has the appearance of a typical peaceful American suburb.

00:49:15

It's after World War Two and the population goes from eighty five thousand to three hundred thousand.

00:49:19

it's filled with older retirees, you know, who want to enjoy a simple life in the warm weather.

00:49:26

But there's not enough work to go around. And there's so many retirees that pick up like part

00:49:31

time jobs, that there aren't enough for the kids in the area to take those part time jobs. So they

00:49:36

don't have a lot to do. And the schools are overcrowded. So they're on it operates in split

00:49:42

sessions. So some kids go to school during the first half of the day, other kids go to school

00:49:46

in the second half of the day. So that leaves a bunch of kids free to roam around from either

00:49:52

noon onward or from six o'clock until noon the next day. Yeah. Yeah. So it's not like everyone

00:50:00

has to be up and ready to go at 7am or whatever. So basically, this is like a recipe for kids

00:50:08

partying and like hanging out. Teenagers cure their boredom by driving around a stretch of road

00:50:14

called the Speedway. And they also hang out at burger joints. There's a teen nightclub called the Pickup Palace.

00:50:20

Oh, dear. Well, sorry, they call it the Pickup Palace. I don't know what it's called.

00:50:26

They also use fake IDs to get into bars. So sometimes they just go out into the desert

00:50:32

and throw what they call a boondocker, which is basically a desert kegger. And that, my friends, was the birthplace of Burning Man.

00:50:41

Just kidding. Just kidding. The long and the short of it is the teens of Tucson, it's very easy for them to get in trouble.

00:50:49

Yeah. Because there's just a ton of hanging out. There's nothing to do. So. So the elderly king of these teen troublemakers is none other than Charles Smitty Schmidt.

00:51:01

He was born July 8th, 1942 in Tucson. He's adopted by wealthy owners of the Hillcrest Nursing Home, Charles and Catherine Schmidt, and they spoil him rotten.

00:51:12

Um, he's strange and he's a bit of an outsider, but he's not unpopular. He's obsessed with Elvis.

00:51:19

As I said, he always tries to emulate his style. So he dyes his hair black. He styles it the same way.

00:51:26

He puts makeup on his face so he can appear tanner and then draws the beauty mark using

00:51:33

axle grease because that's because Elvis had one. and he also puts a clothes pin on his lip to pull his lip downward and give him the pouty look that

00:51:43

Elvis had you know he had like that wait does that work because we've been I don't I doubt it

00:51:48

yeah exactly he he dreamed of fillers um he was he was trying to get that gone um he's also super

00:51:58

insecure about his height which is very difficult I think like the height thing for men is like the

00:52:04

weight thing for women. Yes. He buys elevated cowboy boots, stuff some with newspapers and

00:52:11

crushed up beer cans and adds inside the boot adds three inches. So he's got the heel of the

00:52:17

boot that's adding height. And then inside, he's basically wearing high heels. I've done that so

00:52:21

that he's appears tall. I did that as a kid because I wasn't tall enough to play laser tag.

00:52:26

So what'd you do? Photon, it was called. And I fucking went in the bathroom and stuffed my

00:52:31

shoes with paper towels to try to be a little taller and it didn't work. So my brother and sister

00:52:35

got a laser tag. And would you do you just stare at like the gumball machine? Yeah, or like there's

00:52:40

this like walkway at the top that you're allowed to stand on and like shoot down, but you don't get

00:52:45

to like actually play. And then it closed by the time I was tall enough. That's why I am a college

00:52:51

dropout. And that's why they would have if they just would have let me play laser tag.

00:52:56

the one thing is he is legitimately good looking and he does have they say he did have a certain

00:53:02

kind of charisma so he was very popular with the ladies he was usually dating as many as he could

00:53:08

at the same time so even though mary considered him her boyfriend he he had more than one girlfriend

00:53:16

um at the time he actually in fact bought two fake diamond rings gave one to mary french and

00:53:22

then another one to a girl named Kathy Morath. He proposed to both of them and convinces both of them to get jobs and joint bank accounts

00:53:31

with him. Oh, no. Uh-huh. So then they work, they deposit their paycheck. He goes and takes all the money.

00:53:39

When Kathy Morath realizes Smitty never cared about her and was just basically setting her

00:53:44

up so that he could take money from her, she breaks up with him and starts dating his best

00:53:49

friend, Richie Bruns. Yes Smitty is also a bad student He once wrote a theme paper about how he wanted to quote run naked down the street down the main street of Tucson masturbating and screaming obscenities at the world Great So I need a new hobby

00:54:05

That sounds pretty awesome. I know roller skating is out for you. But if you would just consider this, because you'd have to get good at running and masturbating

00:54:16

at the same time. Sure. I need like I have the tiger playing in my headphones. Focus.

00:54:21

You have to drink a bunch of raw eggs. OK. But the thing about him, he is not a good student, not interested in school, a really great athlete, though.

00:54:31

He led his high school gymnastics team to the state championships in 1960. But the same year, he steals equipment from the school's machine shop.

00:54:41

So he gets suspended and then he just decides he's not going back. So he was suspended, but he wasn't he wasn't expelled.

00:54:47

Yeah. So they're just like, oh, here's your punishment. And he's like, peace. and because his parents spoiled him and you know yeah whatever they let him do whatever he wanted

00:54:57

um instead he just hangs out in the school parking lot so he socializes there he meets girls there

00:55:04

he doesn't have to have a job his parents buy him a little house um so that he can live in it

00:55:10

on his own and they give him an allowance of 300 a month which i'm sure is a lot today

00:55:16

Stephen will you look up and see In 1964 how much $300 A month would have been I'm going to say

00:55:22

1964 I'm going to say 1450 Wait Stephen we're going to do some guesses Georgia guesses 1450

00:55:32

$300 a month I'm going to say 2500 Stephen what's your guess You already know the answer

00:55:40

I'm going to guess The right answer because I just looked it up You asshole. It's a little over $2,500.

00:55:47

Whoa, Karen, the mathematician. And I win $2,500 for that? I owe you $2,500. Yeah, from Georgia.

00:55:54

That was the bet. Sorry. Sorry, that was the bet. Damn it. Wow. I mean, so... That's a lot of fucking money.

00:56:02

Especially when he owns his house. Yeah. He doesn't have to spend any of that money on rent.

00:56:07

He spends all of his money on cans to crush up to put in his boots. He throws a lot of parties.

00:56:12

He goes out drinking with anyone who'll hang out with them. He's also a pathological liar.

00:56:17

So he does stuff like he lies to make himself sound cool. And here's an example of one of those lies.

00:56:22

He tells people his birth name is Angel Rodriguez, which is a cool name. Yeah. But it's also made up.

00:56:30

Yeah. It's like, well, you could say, yeah. What is it getting you? Yeah. In conversation.

00:56:39

Like, be like, angel, like, from God? Great. Congratulations. He also, so that's, like, to seem cool, but then he also does stuff like he told a girlfriend once that he shot out the windows of his own car and then told his girlfriend, I was shot at by thugs trying to protect you.

00:56:59

This is what happened. So he's up for lying about kind of anything to make himself look cool or badass.

00:57:06

he also lies to get sympathy so he tells people that his mom was a famous lawyer who wanted

00:57:13

nothing to do with him and put him up for adoption and wouldn't talk to him or whatever

00:57:17

there is a story about him having a when his parents told him he was adopted he met with the birth mother

00:57:25

and it didn't go well so it's almost like he's trying to take that story and kind of like play it for

00:57:31

sympathy and interest I guess his recklessness and his willingness to spend his money on other people makes him very popular

00:57:41

with the bored teenagers of Tucson very popular so teenagers are totally down to hang with this guy

00:57:48

because he is buying which is the way to do it if that if you're if you're a weird 23 year old

00:57:55

that wants to be around 15 year olds you better get that wallet out so when norma returns from work

00:58:02

so that's everything the horrible shit that happened the night before so Norma who's just worked a night shift gets home

00:58:11

and her daughter's not there she calls the police reports are missing they search for Eileen

00:58:18

but they don't find any sign of her Norma immediately suspects that Smitty has something to do with it

00:58:24

and the police do question him, Mary and John but all three um smitty mary and john have the same story they were all supposed to go on a double date but when

00:58:35

they showed up to pick up aline she wasn't there so they left and the police have no evidence to

00:58:41

suggest anything different or that they had anything to do with it so they just let them go

00:58:46

um now norma doesn't believe this story for a second and she knows um she knows there's a lot

00:58:54

of kids that are kind of up to no good in town. Aline told her there was a rumor going around that Smitty was running a sex club where if

00:59:04

you wanted to be in it, you had to have sex in front of a bunch of other people.

00:59:08

That was like the initiation. Whoa. Weird rumors like that, where I'm sure it added to his kind of like reputation and prowess

00:59:16

or, you know, like fascination or whatever. But yeah. Yeah. But I'm sure Mary is a 15 year old heard about it and was like, oh, my God.

00:59:24

You know, like so. So Norma knew, you know, that there was there was stuff going on and that she her daughter didn't just like walk out of the house and walk away.

00:59:38

Yeah. So Norma tells the police all of this stuff that that she knows. They dismiss her. They say it's just rumors. They're making it all up. You know, that's what kids do.

00:59:47

and of course the cops assume Eileen ran away. So Norma the badass that she is takes the investigation into her own hands Hell yeah She questions other schoolmates of Aline to see if they know anything She also reaches out to reporters to get the word out

01:00:07

She also calls Arizona's attorney general and the FBI trying to get them to help.

01:00:12

She speaks with a New Jersey psychic who tells her that Aline is buried somewhere in the desert under a tree.

01:00:19

Police refuse to search because they don't have evidence to warrant it. And they wouldn't know where to start if they did.

01:00:28

Norma leaves her kitchen light on every night in hopes that Eileen will turn back up and come on home.

01:00:35

That's the saddest, saddest, worst. But after a year, the investigation loses steam and fizzles out, which sounds like it never had any steam in the first place.

01:00:44

Then just two months later in June of 19, then just two months later in July of 1964, Smitty meets 17 year old Gretchen Fritz at the local pool.

01:00:54

And she is the troublemaking daughter of a wealthy surgeon. And they're basically that's his type.

01:01:02

I mean, that's like perfect for him is the rebellious, rich girl who wants to like.

01:01:07

Yeah, exactly. She wants to go be dangerous. And so he basically follows her home from the pool and knocks on her door and starts a conversation with her.

01:01:20

So they are immediately obsessed with each other. Um, but they fight constantly and Gretchen never wants him to go out with his friends.

01:01:29

She doesn't want him to talk to other girls, which is what he's all about. He does both of those things constantly and their fights definitely go verge into abuse for sure.

01:01:40

Um, once Gretchen gets jealous, not physical abuse, but then just like ridiculous stuff, like she gets jealous.

01:01:49

So she dumps a bottle of shoe polish on his car. Then he takes it 95 steps further and writes a letter to the Tucson Health Department accusing Gretchen of spreading venereal disease around town.

01:02:03

Oh, my God. So there. Yeah, it's like real housewives, but it's 1964. Oh, my God.

01:02:12

And even after this kind of stuff, he also has her parents hated him, of course, and didn't want her going out with him.

01:02:19

And in one of these fights later on, he wrote the parents, her parents, a letter saying, just so you know, your daughter is still going out with me to fuck her over.

01:02:30

Like it's insanity. Oh, my God. I'm never having. Yeah. So crazy. So they're still inseparable, though.

01:02:40

It's part of it. Naturally. later yeah and eventually smitty confides in gretchen um telling her that he killed aline roe

01:02:50

he also claims to have killed another person before aline a boy who he says killed his

01:02:56

girlfriend in a car accident gretchen doesn't care she still keeps dating him god but after a

01:03:02

year well because and i shouldn't say doesn't care but this would be he's basically put down

01:03:08

a bonding opportunity for her to go. I'll keep your secret. It's just you and me in this world.

01:03:15

Yeah. You know, like now I she's probably scared now, you know, she's like, oh, then I don't

01:03:20

want to date you anymore. Like you're a murderer. Right. I'm good. That's not going to happen.

01:03:24

Yeah. The fuck. Yeah, exactly. Scared, fascinated, like can't get away. Yeah. She's afraid of the letters he'll write after she leaves.

01:03:33

I mean, I still can't get over that. That's like a weird burn. It's like not in the heat of the moment where you take shoe polish and dump it on the car.

01:03:41

It's like, did he fucking write it freehand and type it or what? He had to lick an envelope.

01:03:48

He had to take it down to the fucking post office. Minimum 12 steps to fuck your girlfriend over that you're just going to make up with again.

01:03:56

So after about a year, the relationship reaches a breaking point. She threatens Smitty saying that if he doesn't stop seeing other girls,

01:04:05

she's going to go to the police and tell them that he murdered Aline Roe. Shortly after August 16th, 1965, Gretchen takes her little 13-year-old sister, Wendy,

01:04:16

to a drive-in movie, but they never come back. Gretchen's dad assumes that Smitty has something to do with it.

01:04:24

Obviously, the parents never liked him. it's you know um he hires a private detective and the detective finds gretchen's car abandoned

01:04:34

behind a motel when the police go to interview smitty he tells them he thinks the two sisters

01:04:40

ran away to mexico can you imagine losing two daughters like it's just horrifying losing two

01:04:48

daughters horrifying being a single mom and losing one daughter only child yeah i mean

01:04:53

And yeah, it's total, total destruction, devastation. Yeah. Okay. So the week after that, on August 23rd, 1965, Smitty has his best friend, Richie Bruns, over to his house and they start talking about Gretchen.

01:05:09

And Smitty says, you know, I killed her, right? I did it right here in the living room.

01:05:13

then he says that he strangled both of them dumped their bodies in another desert spot where they

01:05:21

would go drink sometimes wiped down gretchen's car and ditched it behind the motel

01:05:26

so richie has been friends with this guy long enough to know that he's definitely a compulsive

01:05:32

liar and brags about weird shit to make himself look good so he doesn't really believe him

01:05:39

but a couple nights later smitty shows up at richie's house with a couple intimidating guys

01:05:44

in suits smoking cigars and the guys take the boys to an apartment where more guys in suits

01:05:50

question them about gretchen and wendy they say they were hired to find her by the family and smitty believes that they are mafia connected oh shit yeah so smitty remains calm he says he doesn know where the girls are that that maybe they went to

01:06:07

california and the suden men let the boys go so back at smitty's house they go back to smitty's

01:06:14

house and smitty calls the fbi what uh-huh um he he tells them uh that some mafia members of the

01:06:24

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So now Richie's scared. He doesn't actually really know what's going on, but he knows that now the FBI is going to figure it out and be involved somehow. So he tells Smitty if he really did kill the girls that he and he just put them in the desert, he's going to need a better hiding spot. And Smitty's like, you know what? You're exactly right. Come with me. And they go out. He drives them to where he basically dumped Gretchen and Wendy's bodies.

01:09:24

They aren't even buried. They're still like on the surface. And then they try to bury them. But the shovel they have can't break the ground. It's like where they are is too hard. So they pull the bodies deeper into the wash to hide them better. So now Richie's implicated in this. He's now become a part of it.

01:09:45

Totally. So the next day, Smitty meets with the FBI agents to report what happened with these alleged mobsters.

01:09:57

But then later the same day, Smitty goes with those mobsters to San Diego to, quote unquote, look for Gretchen.

01:10:04

And when he's there, he gets arrested by the police for impersonating an FBI agent.

01:10:11

They release him without charges. He comes back to Tucson. So that's just like this weird thing where, yeah, it's kind of a mysterious part of the story where he would go.

01:10:22

He would actually go to California every once in a while and he would go and get into trouble out there.

01:10:27

He was like kind of always going out on these trips and coming back. So, yeah, that's that's one part, whether or not he actually went with the mafia guys, whether he's taken against his will, whatever was going on with that.

01:10:40

he's picked up for saying he's in the FBI. How does that happen? I know. All of it is super crazy.

01:10:49

So then, but after that trip and that whole thing, there is a chance that those people that were hired

01:10:56

actually were putting real pressure on him because he starts unraveling. He becomes more violent.

01:11:02

He starts destroying his own home, like having these outbursts of rage. on September 9th, 1965,

01:11:10

he goes on a blind date with a 15-year-old girl and a month later, he marries her.

01:11:16

Oh my God. Is that legal? I guess so. And back then or maybe the laws? I don't know.

01:11:23

But it was basically kind of like on a whim because clearly he's like a womanizer.

01:11:29

But now he has a 15-year-old wife. Then he starts threatening Richie's life saying

01:11:35

he's going to kill him next. So he clearly didn't trust that he had this person that shared this horrible secret.

01:11:41

Yeah. So you might remember Kathy Morath, who went out with Smitty first. The neighbor.

01:11:45

Well, and no, that was, it was just another, it was the girlfriend that also. Yes.

01:11:51

Yes. Yes. Now she's Richie's girlfriend. Okay. And she starts having weird experiences.

01:11:55

Her family screen doors mysteriously cut. They, they, They report to police seeing an unidentified prowler on their property.

01:12:04

Richie gets scared that Smitty's going to kill Kathy next. So he decides he needs to keep watch over her house.

01:12:11

So he sits outside her house all day and all night. Sometimes he walks his dog by, sometimes whatever.

01:12:19

Well, the family has him arrested for stalking, essentially. You're not being a hero by being a guard.

01:12:25

Right. But there was a whole thing about him. We'll talk about this in a little bit.

01:12:28

There was a whole thing about snitching. So he's keeping this. He's keeping the secret.

01:12:34

But clearly, he's kind of going insane, too. So basically, the police in this arrest or whatever, he's told to leave town.

01:12:42

Richie is like they say, I believe it's the judge after he gets arrested. They're like, go live with your grandparents in Ohio.

01:12:50

You need to get away from this girl. We don't care what your reasons were or whatever.

01:12:54

Like, clearly, this is a problem. So they send him to live to stay with his grandparents.

01:13:00

But late one night in October of 1965, Richie gets drunk and tells his grandparents the whole story.

01:13:08

Oh, shit. Yeah. And they don't believe him. They think he's just drunk and being crazy, which makes him snap.

01:13:15

And he calls the Tucson police directly. Wow. He tells him the whole story, including Mary and John's part in Aline Rose murder.

01:13:24

and they have him come. They basically say, you need to come back here. So in Tucson,

01:13:29

we kicked you out of the city. Come on back. Now we understand why you were stopping.

01:13:36

So in Tucson, Richie rides out of the desert. He basically takes the police out to where he hid the bodies with Smitty,

01:13:48

shows them exactly where Gretchen and Wendy Fritz's remains are, and shortly after that on November 10th, 1965, the police arrest Smitty in his home.

01:14:00

A few days later, Mary French and John Saunders are arrested as well for their part in Aline

01:14:06

Rose murder, even though Aline's body has not been found. But they now have the whole story.

01:14:14

Both Mary and John confess to their involvement almost immediately. Mary's sentenced to four to five years for being an accessory to murder and John's sentenced

01:14:22

to life in jail for his part in the murder. They try to lead the police to Aline's body, but they can't find it.

01:14:30

So prosecutors push to have the trial for Aline Rose murder first, because then a guilty

01:14:35

verdict there would almost guarantee a guilty verdict in the case of the Fritz sisters.

01:14:40

But the judge orders that the trial for the Fritz sisters murders goes first. And that begins February 15th, 1966.

01:14:48

And in this trial, the court hears testimonies from Richie Bruns, Mary French, but John Saunders pleads the fifth.

01:14:58

Smitty does not take the stand. The trial lasts two weeks. And on March 1st, 1966, he's found guilty on both murder counts.

01:15:07

Later that month of March of 1966, he's sentenced to death. So the murder of Aline Rowe, that trial begins May of 1967.

01:15:17

But this time, Smitty adds another lawyer to his team because, remember, his parents were rich.

01:15:23

So they go ahead and hire F. Lee Bailey to defend him. That motherfucker. And that motherfucker.

01:15:30

F. Lee Bailey, you may know, he was involved in the Boston Strangler case and Sam Shepard in the 50s and 60s.

01:15:36

60s um he moffy bailey motions that the judge um not consider the death penalty as aline rose body

01:15:45

as it hasn't been found the judge denies that motion okay so mary french testifies again she

01:15:51

recounts her side of the story telling the court that on may 30th 1964 the day before aline's

01:15:58

murder smitty told her that he wanted to kill a girl just to quote see if he could get away with it

01:16:04

Mary reveals that she was pregnant with Smitty's baby at the time and she wanted to make him happy so that he'd man up and be present in the baby's life.

01:16:13

By killing? Yeah. But then there's a different piece of it. That's her story. But there's another side of the story that says that actually Smitty was like bored with Mary and Mary had made friends with Aline and Aline was pretty.

01:16:30

And of course, we remember that Mary was frumpy. so um he started paying a lot of attention to her so mary may have had uh some kind of cycle you

01:16:42

know psychological reason in her mind that it was okay to get rid of this like competitor yeah yeah

01:16:48

yeah perhaps i mean it goes in there with the like thing of you're getting rid of the competition

01:16:54

and you're trying to do the thing i mean either way she didn't feel bad about sacrificing this

01:17:01

15 year old having her friend like allowing her friend to be murdered and saying nothing about it

01:17:06

it's it doesn't make a lot of sense it's it's tough it's tough to it's tough for us who read

01:17:14

true crime stories constantly to kind of process imagine what people in arizona in 1966 were doing

01:17:21

yeah in the mid-60s let's say so basically mary goes on to say that smitty shared a list of three

01:17:27

potential victims with her. And together they decided that the best choice would be Aline Roe,

01:17:34

which is so cold-blooded and horrifying. Later, when Mary French gave birth to Smitty's baby,

01:17:39

that child would be stillborn. So it was in this horribly ironic, awful way, all for nothing.

01:17:45

If she really is honest in saying that that's the reason she didn't. Mary told Aline the four of them would just go out drinking in the desert,

01:17:53

believing her friend Aline was excited to go And so that night while Mary sat in the car Smitty and John restrained Aline They testified Smitty told John to rape her but he wouldn do it And so Smitty

01:18:09

does and then beats her in the head with a rock and kills her. After Mary's testimony, John Saunders

01:18:16

once again pleads the fifth. The prosecution reads John's preliminary hearing testimony aloud to the

01:18:22

jury instead. And then the court takes a recess. And when they come back, F. Lee Bailey surprises

01:18:28

everyone by announcing Smitty is ready to plead guilty to murder in the second degree. The trial

01:18:34

ends with Smitty making his guilty plea on May 10th, 1967. So at least in that case, F. Lee Bailey's

01:18:41

like, hey, buddy, we're not doing this. Like, it's only going to get worse from here. A few days

01:18:47

later, Smitty motions to fire his lawyers and tries rescinding his plea. The judge asks Smitty

01:18:53

to submit to a psychiatric exam and he refuses. Great. He then withdraws his request for a new

01:19:02

trial and the plea stands. Once again, he's sentenced to death. A month later on June 23rd,

01:19:07

1967, Smitty tells the sheriff that he'll show him where Aline's body is buried. It's pretty big.

01:19:14

he says that if they can see Aline's skull listen to this fucking reasoning this is you think maybe he's doing it

01:19:23

because why would you not like it's the thing we always talk about just tell them what they need to know

01:19:28

we're past this point you're going to jail but here's his reasoning he says that if they see Aline's skull

01:19:37

they'll see that there's no fracture disproving the conclusion that Smitty bashed her in the head with a rock

01:19:42

and thereby proving his innocence Oh, my God, dude. Yeah. Of course, it's ridiculous because he knows where the body is.

01:19:50

That's implicating him right there. Yeah. And and especially after the fact that John and Mary could not find it when they went to bring the police to show that, you know.

01:20:02

So either way, they want to find Aline's body. So they take him out to the desert in cuffs.

01:20:08

He leads the police to Harrison Road, which sits on the outer part of eastern Tucson.

01:20:12

And there Smitty locates a spot with the team and the team starts digging. And it's the same area that John and Mary had taken the police before.

01:20:21

But they learn that Smitty, the two of them, they all learn that Smitty had gone back after that night of the murder and moved the body to a different spot.

01:20:32

That's why they couldn't find it. What the fuck? It's a lot of interfering with corpses type of shit that I hope was brought up in the sentencing because it's clearly there's no concern.

01:20:44

There's no repulsion. It's like you just keep going out and doing. I mean, I guess that's insane.

01:20:50

He murdered these people in cold blood. So obviously he doesn't care. But when they find the body, the corpse is just buried one foot below the surface.

01:21:01

Police find that Smitty was completely wrong about the skull. There's a massive fracture. It proves exactly what John and Mary attested to in court and basically Smithy's death sentence to stand until 1971 when Arizona temporarily abolishes the death penalty.

01:21:21

So his sentence is commuted to 50 years to life. So. Essentially, he goes to jail, but then there is this kind of cultural after effect.

01:21:31

so that article from Life magazine was written in 1966 but basically the news of these murders cast this

01:21:39

Tucson in this very unfavorable light and they're just kind of talking about like that the youth culture there is out of control

01:21:47

and that they're all kind of like slackers and criminals and you know basically the whole the case becomes national

01:21:55

news but the locals find themselves constantly defending Tucson's reputation against this onslaught of stories, making, you know, their hometown look

01:22:05

like this den of sin and, you know, whatever. Palo Verde high school students actually stage

01:22:10

rallies and write pieces in their school paper expressing their opinion. They've all been

01:22:14

painted as bad kids just because of a few, quote, misfits. But what was especially disturbing to

01:22:22

investigators is how many kids not involved with the murders heard rumors that Smitty killed

01:22:28

Aline Rowe and the Fritz sisters and never said anything, never went to the police.

01:22:32

That's a big deal. You know what it reminds me of is, remember the movie River's Edge?

01:22:39

It's that. Yeah. Yeah. It's that. It's that thing. Six of Aline and Gretchen's classmates knew enough about the crimes, at least to warrant

01:22:47

going to the police and notifying them about these rumors that were swelling around.

01:22:52

Not one of them did. That's dark. Yeah. One student claims that they, quote, didn't know Smitty committed murder, but then goes on to say that, quote, even if I had known, I wouldn't have said anything.

01:23:04

I wouldn't want to be a think. Oh, yeah. Richie Bruns would later. He's, you know, who's the one who basically broke the story and told police.

01:23:16

He recently wrote a book because right after all this stuff happened to him, he kind of wrote everything down.

01:23:21

It was like his side of the story, because, of course, he had a horrible time. in Tucson, everybody either said like he would go into places and they're like, we're not going to

01:23:31

serve you get out because he snitched either because he had something to do with it or because

01:23:36

he snitched. So he couldn't win either way. He was he was, you know. Yeah. It's very understandable

01:23:42

that these local people would just be like, you had your hands all up in this horrible crime.

01:23:47

A but then this other side of like, get out, you snitch. Yeah. So here's this. This is a really

01:23:53

good quote from this article from the website Tucson which is where I go for all my news But this was an article when this one So when Richie Braun book came out well Richard now because he an adult

01:24:08

he titled it I Squealer, which is kind of a hilarious title. Yeah. And basically, he was talking about how awful life got for him in that town in both directions.

01:24:21

So he tells a story about getting turned away because he he didn't tell the police soon enough.

01:24:28

Right. Whatever. Then he says once he was playing pool with his brother at a bowling alley on South Alvernon Way.

01:24:35

And he says, quote, at the table next to us was somebody I recognized had gone to prison.

01:24:40

He was this big dude. And I thought, oh, my God, I'm in trouble. He shot a couple of balls and said, how are you doing, Richard?

01:24:45

And he was friendly as hell. So here was somebody who was in prison and lived by a strict you don't squeal code.

01:24:51

And he recognized the difference between squealing on somebody for stealing a candy bar and squealing on somebody who was out there killing girls.

01:24:59

It was quite a different thing. But your average high school kids who grew up with things and had these wonderful jobs, they drive by my house and throw stuff and yell derogatory things, mainly about being a rat.

01:25:11

Fuck. Yeah. That sucks. Yeah. At the time, there was this kind of like, it was like Marlon Brando, you know, like it was very like that motorcycle pompadour culture.

01:25:24

Yeah, rebel culture. Where it's kind of like, yes, exactly. And that idea of like being a rat or being a snitch, which I don't disagree with in terms of like that.

01:25:35

The way he said it is just so perfect, though, because it's like you have to have a line.

01:25:40

You have to have a personal moral line where where you would absolutely like you're not you would absolutely you're not betraying your friend.

01:25:49

You're trying to help his murder victims. It's like a totally different thing. And their families and their mothers who are leaving the kitchen light on all night.

01:26:00

To me. Yeah. Snitching is when you get arrested for something and you say, I have someone bigger than me that you want.

01:26:08

So let me give you this information about him. so I can get a shorter sentence. Yeah.

01:26:13

Right? Whether it's true or not. During Smitty's seven-year stint in prison, he attempts to escape three times.

01:26:20

The first two attempts fail. On the third, he and a triple murderer named Raymond Hudgens

01:26:25

manage to break out. They make it to a ranch in Tempe, which I had a friend who used to live there.

01:26:31

He says the way you pronounce it is Tempe. Oh, good to know. On this ranch, they take four people hostage.

01:26:37

they end up somehow even with all that they escape from that and they escape without harming these hostages

01:26:46

they get away from that situation they stop and eat at a Sonic drive-in and then they split up and they both go on the run

01:26:54

separately and that's how those Sonic commercials were invented the two dudes sitting in the car

01:27:01

talking about how much they love the weird Slurpee they're having Oh, my God. Both men are captured a few days later and thrown back into prison.

01:27:13

A couple years later, Smitty tells his fellow inmates that he has leukemia and he doesn't have very long to live, which is, again, a lie.

01:27:21

He is trying to get sympathy from his fellow inmates, which is tragic. Then on March 10th, 1975, Smitty gets into a fight with two other inmates and they stab him 47 times.

01:27:34

Holy shit. he's taken to the hospital he dies 20 days later on march 30th 1975 at the age of 32 oh my god he's

01:27:42

only 32 he's 32 he has burnt out his life like he's just his mom decides to hold a catholic burial

01:27:50

for him on the prison in the prison cemetery but his body is allegedly stolen from the morgue

01:27:55

and it never turns up the funeral the funeral is carried out with an empty casket what happened to

01:28:01

his corpse, please. I mean, horrifying. Basically, if you watch the episode of A Crime to Remember,

01:28:09

they really talk about that part of teens going bad and the cultural thing of like,

01:28:15

these apathetic teens that don't care, they care more about being cool than they do about

01:28:20

blah, blah, blah, that kind of whole story, which is really fascinating and interesting thing.

01:28:25

What I think they were actually tapping into, though, because it's 1966 when this Life

01:28:29

article comes out. It's three years before the cultural revolution of the 60s, of the hippie movement. So I think they were just kind of tapping into that first thing of like,

01:28:45

oh, all these Leave it to Beaver days are over and something else is going on in the streets of

01:28:50

America with these teenagers and we don't know what it is. Yeah. They're already starting to,

01:28:55

you know, get parents scared of what their teenagers are going to do. Right. And that the teenagers are like, have no conscience at all.

01:29:03

Right. Which is, it's such an oversimplification to just say now all teenagers are bad and rebels.

01:29:10

I mean, like, it's a ridiculous oversimplification, but it's almost like they were tapping into

01:29:16

the beginnings of this complete sea change in the way all of American life worked.

01:29:25

And it wasn't just the teenagers. It's like the teenagers are who they wanted to pin it on and talk about.

01:29:30

And can you believe them with their street races and their rebellion and their rebels without a cause?

01:29:35

When there was a way huger thing happening culturally. What's interesting is that I highly recommend, especially if you like great writing,

01:29:45

the Joyce Carol Oates short story, Where Are You Going? Where Have You Been? Which she basically read about these cases

01:29:53

and ended up writing a fictionalized version But that what that short story is about Cool And it award And that is basically the very rudimentary story of The Pied Piper of Tucson

01:30:09

Nice. I had never heard of that. Great job. Thank you. Should we fucking hooray our way out of this?

01:30:15

Let's do a little fucking hooray backwards walk offstage with our hat. You can't see it because this is a fucking podcast, but I'm doing a Hello My Baby hat.

01:30:27

Backwards offstage. Yeah. Okay. You want to go first? Sure. This one's from Morgan underscore cutter.

01:30:34

My fucking right is that my 17 year old little brother got his first job yesterday and then she put the kind of crying eyes emoji.

01:30:42

Yeah. Or the acid eyes emoji, depending on your background. he's pretty reserved but he's loved being in the culinary program at his high school

01:30:50

and was hired as a cook at one of our favorite lunch spots he he texted me before the interview

01:30:56

for advice which literally made my day and then she did the kind of hand typed emoji of a crying

01:31:02

guy or a smiling guy with a nose i'm not sure which one but either way i love that i love like

01:31:10

I really feel like as shitty and insane and very difficult as everything has been.

01:31:18

The idea that people are getting closer to their family members who they might not have really

01:31:22

may not have put so much energy into is beautiful. It is this thing where like the highs that you there's so many lows and that so the highs

01:31:34

mean more, you know, they're like more important. You realize what the important things in your life are and you have gratitude towards so much more than you did before this.

01:31:45

Not that we needed this. Especially people. Like when you and Vince left my house on Sunday or Saturday, whenever it was, I wanted to like hug both of you and cry at the same time.

01:31:59

It's so hard not to hug people. And like just to be like, I just, it's so nice to look at another person and be like, hey, did I tell you this?

01:32:07

And then you gave me the perfect reaction. Like, are you kidding me? Whatever. Where it's like all these things we just that used to be no big deal.

01:32:15

Now it's like, oh, I just got my shot of like another expression on someone else's face and like empathy and listening and understand.

01:32:25

I don't know. It just really did it for me. Oh, good. It's nice. It's nice. I'm glad.

01:32:31

Excuse me. OK, mine is. That was the belch of empathy. Okay, this one is from where they wander.

01:32:41

Here's my fucking hooray. I recently turned 30 in a pandemic and finally decided to go to therapy for the first time in my life.

01:32:48

I started off the pandemic feeling very thankful for my job slash home stability.

01:32:55

But things quickly turned sour when my apartment caught fire in April due to my neighbor's fireplace.

01:33:02

Jesus. I know. I was living out of hotels with my husband and our two large dogs and our cat. After hotel hopping for three plus months, we finally found a new apartment and have settled in. Seems like the perfect time to get my life together. I think my 30s will be when I stop collecting traumas and start working on being happy.

01:33:22

I just love that sentence, don't you? It's beautiful. Thank you. Thank you for normalizing therapy and mental health.

01:33:29

I spent so many a pandemic night crying and listening to MFM. I don't know how I would have survived this year without you.

01:33:36

Aw. That's nice. Nice. Well, good luck. I mean, Jesus, that's a load of shit. Yeah, there's a lot to handle.

01:33:45

Lots of different loads of shit people are dealing with in these ridiculous circumstances.

01:33:51

Yeah. Thank God they found an apartment Two dogs and a cat I know I know I know I know

01:33:57

I know Days in Jesus Okay This one I believe this is from the fan cult It's The title is Dad Pride

01:34:06

And it's from Lacey Kins My fucking hooray is that for the first time in his 68 years of life

01:34:13

My dad has finally decided to vote at this election year Wow I've always shrugged off his disinterest

01:34:20

So it was extremely surprising to me when my stepmom told me that he was working on his ballot.

01:34:25

I started to cry. We've had so many recent conversations about the current political climate and how important it is to change the direction that our country is headed.

01:34:34

I knew my dad had a voice to be heard, and I'm just so proud that he finally realized it, too.

01:34:40

Oh, wow. That's amazing. Progress. 68. So much progress because progress. You can't ignore it forever.

01:34:49

Sure. Well, also, I think that's, you know, I was reading this thing today about how it's much more effective, you know, because there's lots of people that are volunteering and doing calls and whatever.

01:34:58

But they say it's much more effective when a family member or a friend, someone close to the person has a conversation that a non-confrontational, non-anything, but it's basically just about, hey, here's what I think.

01:35:12

And I want to know what you think. And I actually want to have not a fight, not a way, not a way to work out a bunch of our other shit, but a conversation about like what's actually happening in this world.

01:35:23

Not online with strangers, people you don't know, but a family member where someone else is looking in the face and saying, hey, this is important.

01:35:33

Just don't do it with toxic people. yes because as another great tweet i read recently uh someone wrote there's no

01:35:41

sorry can i just take one second to read this because it's fucking genius and i know i know

01:35:46

i have it saved in my legs for sure a woman named francesca ramsey um who on twitter her handle is

01:35:54

cheska lee and she wrote resist the urge to explain your to someone who's committed to misunderstanding you.

01:36:03

Love that. It has 43,000 likes right now. Yeah. It's so genius and so good. Yeah, I do too.

01:36:14

Okay, I have one more. Great. This is on Instagram. It's from HL's Bell. It's like hell's bell with an extra H

01:36:22

and an extra E on the end and stuff. Yeah, sure. Like a lady's hell and a lady's bell.

01:36:29

Yeah. So this says, Georgia, congrats on a couple days of not drinking. My fucking hurry this week is that after hearing Georgia talk about this naked mind in January,

01:36:38

which is a great book I'm listening to again about getting sober and this woman's incredible journey.

01:36:44

I've stayed sober from alcohol ever since. No longer am I waking up with a hangover, self-hatred, and having to apologize to everyone and wondering where the fuck my car is.

01:36:54

thank you your recommendation saved my life and helped me live a better life while i still get to

01:37:00

live it wow so 10 months sober she heard it in january and wow that's incredible it's really

01:37:10

impressive yeah keep it up i'll try just do what feels good and and and get real about what feels

01:37:17

good as opposed to what you've been doing that you tell yourself feels good it's a great point

01:37:22

she said as she shoved another nerd's rope into her mouth we have to end on that that was it that was the button i think we're done that was your

01:37:33

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245 - Time Is Becoming A Serious Problem

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