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Goodbye. hello hello and welcome to my favorite murder that's georgia hartstark that's karen kilgariff
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This is your third favorite podcast. Welcome. Hey, your mom's second favorite podcast.
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What the? Your sister's number one. That's right. We like her better. We always have. Your mom does too.
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Your dad's on the fence about both of you. Oh, shit. I was talking to my dad on the phone.
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I was talking to my dad on the phone this morning because he was yelling at me for not knowing
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how important this Dodgers World Series win is. And again, I tried to explain, Dad, I am not interested.
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I love the athleticism. I'll watch it if people are hanging out. Great snacks, always.
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The fun hang, usually. Not interested in stats or when things have and then haven't happened, whatever.
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So he's yelling at me about that. And then I look at the time and realize I have to get off the phone to go to my therapy, my virtual therapy appointment.
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And I go, Dad, sorry, I have to get off the phone because I have to go talk to my therapist.
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And he goes, what? I thought I was your therapist. Yeah. What would your life be like if fucking Jim Kilgariff was your fucking designated therapist?
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Well, he kind of was for the first 18. And I would say it didn't work out very good.
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it's not I don't recommend it the suck it up school of therapy uh doesn't work for most people
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I think we're all learning that now that oh our parents were wrong about and our grandparents
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were wrong about bootstraps and whatnot yeah that maybe that approach let the baby cry it out
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yeah it's not good it's not spoil the baby if you touch it too much oh my god I'm love is very
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finite and you have to meet it out in tiny, tiny amount. I am reading this book on this, basically the same thing called daughter detox about,
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you know, the mothers and how to get, get over them. And can you, they're like your first unrequited love mothers.
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Exactly. And it's telling, it's talking about all these like, you know, psychological experiments they
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used to do before you had to actually treat people like human beings like science had to care about
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humans and ask permission and things like that and like worry about the long lasting effects of
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these experiments yes so depressing and like who lets what people let their baby get scientifically
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fucking tested upon in the 50s and 70s and well that's but that's also back when doctors anything
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they said goes. So if a doctor said, oh, your child is showing signs of this, let's put them in this.
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It's good. It'll be good for them. Here's a new medication that just came out that I'm
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getting money to give your child. Let's put them on it. That's going great. It's a different time. Much less
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information. My mom and I are going to go to therapy, finally. Are you? A mediator.
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Really? She used to be a lawyer. Isn't that interesting? I know! she's a therapist, a psychologist, you know, and she used to be a lawyer. I feel like it's
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going to be great. You know what you both need? No judgment. What do they call them?
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A mute button. No. When you're talking. It's like, it's the old debates mute button.
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Oh my god, you're right. Like you're not allowed to talk at the same time. Oh, that's a great idea.
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If only there was a button that could make you hear people. Because even when, And for me personally, when I'm not talking, I'm still sitting there going, no, here's why I'm saying it.
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And here you're just doing the same thing again. Well, that's why I think couples therapy is so important and good.
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It because ideally of a therapist who you tell the therapist how you feel and the therapist translate it translate it translates it to your partner whoever that might be and tells it to them in the language they understand You know what I mean It almost like they an interpreter rather than like anything Right And then you get told things
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Right. Oh, that's the problem. That you need to hear. No, no, I'm fine. No, no, no, no, no.
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Oh, shit. No. It goes back the other way. Oh, I was supposed to listen to that? And it's a fully formed.
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I mean, Jesus. Jesus. Yep. It's like, here's the thing I've learned lately. First of all, did I tell you about when I made my therapist cackle so hard, she threw her head back laughing?
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Did I already tell you the story? Did she hurt herself? No, we were just talking about how much I cannot stand vulnerability at all.
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I can't withstand it. it's the same as as a danger feeling for another person is a vulnerable as me coming anywhere close
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to being vulnerable or honest or direct and and to so she's talking about um something about it and
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how it's of course very important and that you have to practice it and that it's a healthy thing
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and whatever and she's like and it's really it's a really good thing to do and i go i know but it's
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so gross. And then she, she exploded. The idea that I was calling vulnerability gross is like
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her favorite thing. You were being vulnerable in that moment, though, too, which is kind of
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lovely and ironic, right? But it was also just in these quarantine times when all of our human
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interactions are so restricted and strange to have like a belly laugh with your therapist.
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It was really enjoyable. But I was going to tell you. So wait, do you want to say the name of that book again?
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Oh, just The Daughter Detox. It's called. It's good. It's fine. It's good. I still highly recommend Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents.
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It's still one of my fucking favorite books I've read in understanding what's going on with me and my life and my childhood.
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Yeah. I am going to wait to go to therapy with my mom until after the elections.
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What if you schedule it for December 1st? That's a great idea. Because 2024? Is that true?
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Well, I was going to you talking about that book made me think of a book that my therapist recommended to me that like is one of those ones where and this is my problem with a lot of self-help books.
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It's my problem is when when the first three chapters are amazing, I walk away. I'm like, got it.
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Thank you so much. And I walk away. But this one is like that, but I'm sticking with that.
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It's called Burnout, The Secret to Unlocking the Stress Cycle. And it's written by Emily Nagoski and her sister, Amelia Nagoski.
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And it is incredible. It like the first three chapters were basically the last 10 years of my life.
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Of course, this thing where when you think you're in danger or you you you go into the stress response, you know, our our old brains that are basically caveman brains need to either when when the fight flight freeze response comes up, you either need to run.
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You need to go find people and then have people make the feeling go away. Like there are certain things your body needs to process the chemicals that that response sets into your body.
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Right. And if you don't do it, it just gets it just stays there. If that's a thing where if you're like me, hey, folks, if you're like me and you're good at pushing all those feelings down and pretending you're not having them.
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It's it's just a fascinating education about your body. Like it's that they talk about it's like when something when you get into a fight with a person and then in front of them, you're fine.
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and then you walk away and cry. That's your body needing to get out all of that energy and those
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chemicals and stuff because you get flooded with all these chemicals that are keeping your caveman
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body alive to get away from the danger. Yeah. It's like when people start shaking after a car
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accident or something like that, right? Exactly. Exactly. Or the adrenaline. You have to like, but it's your system saying we got to get this out because this isn't normal.
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Yeah. But if you keep just collecting it, then it's normalizing in your system. And then that
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That adds to, that just opens the door. Anyway, I'm badly synopsizing. It's called burnout.
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Burnout, the secret to unlocking the stress cycle so that you can basically work it out and stress out less.
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Recognize when it's happening more. That's an important thing. Yeah. Yeah. You start to recognize it automatically.
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Speaking of fear, for those people who listened to the mini-sode this week and heard in the background after your terrifying fucking ghost story.
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in the middle of it and then suddenly there was a bell that rang that we all heard in karen's house
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it was clearly in karen's house and we all panicked the dogs just like didn't bark they
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just stared i was so angry and i was scared which of course my reaction of fear is anger i was just
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like what the fuck is going on um so i walk out into the kitchen after we finish recording so a
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couple minutes later or whatever, and to go make dinner. And there's just a little Pyrex bowl
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sitting on the floor in the middle of the kitchen. So in the middle, like, I looked at the photo,
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it's like in the middle, straight up glass bowl. Yes. So it almost seems like it fell off that
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because it was on the strainer next to the sink. Okay, somehow, and it was a windy night,
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But no windows were open. It fell off that strainer. Or is that the drying rack?
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Yeah, strainer. It fell off that. Yeah. Bounced on the floor Didn break even though it a glass bowl And then was just sitting there waiting for me I still scared That doesn explain it away for me at all
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My new house is haunted. I feel like if we would have known already, because you'd lived there for
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a little while, if it was haunted, and that's just like such a baby move. Like if that's how
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long it took to get the ghost to like do something that I think we're fine. Like in 10 years, it'll
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finally figure out how to close the door or whatever. Thank you. You know what I mean?
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Yes. So, yeah, but that was a legit because the the idea of a bell ringing that isn't any connected to any part of your actual house.
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And it's an old timey bell. It's not like a newfangled fucking I don't know. Are there newfangled bells?
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They're they're making new bells every day, Georgia. Innovation in the bell in the bell area is unbelievable.
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It's the fastest way that we're learning. but it really was like think about it like a Pyrex bowl
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it's like gling it's like how weird and old fashioned it sounded it landed face up
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whatever that means I just don't like it I don't like it at all yell at the dogs
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oh you heard it when you went back well listening back it was even scarier because it's like we all just like
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freeze so I feel like listening to it like because you're listening to a podcast
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and then all of a sudden like everyone like it's unsettling yeah i i have to uh i'll have to listen back to that because i could i was talking so i only heard
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the end of it yeah but i saw george's face change and i was like are we gonna ignore that
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or no i'm gonna do what you need to do to make this work um hey speaking of make it work making
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at work. We have a, um, we have merch guys. Hey, again, on the, my favorite segues. Thank you.
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It's kind of my thing. We have some new merch in the store. There's the, here's the thing,
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fuck everyone mug. It's the mug that says, here's the thing on it. And then when you take a sip
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on the bottom, it says, fuck everyone, which is really clever in case you didn't know.
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tricky for work especially if you work at a church exactly or children's um clothing place
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store clothing and play place if you work inside the mcdonald's play place you can drink coffee
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all day long and then we have a we have a new face mask like mask you know face masks are face
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masks now of our actual logo on it so that's exciting now there's two options yeah and then
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we also have a stemless wine glass that has our logo on it that's really cute. So if you're trying
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to be classy, but it still need to be tacky, we've got the wine glass for you. That's right.
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Yeah. So check that out. Oh, we also have Exactly Right merch on exactlyrightmedia.com
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in the store. That's like really cute. I have the sticker on my laptop now and my dad has the
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hoodie and the hat and it's just fun. It's really good. I put that hoodie on. It is a cozy sweatshirt.
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And for the people that are like me that don't want a bunch of business on their sweatshirt, it's just the exact.
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It's a black sweatshirt with the white Exactly Right logo. And that's it. No drama.
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And the mug. Yeah. So check that out if you feel like it. If you don't, that's OK, too.
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And also, if you're looking for merch for any of the other podcasts, it's all there on the Exactly Right dot com.
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Bananas. You know who's got great podcast merch is this podcast will kill you. Beautiful stuff.
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Yeah. They got great shit. Okay. As does Bananas. Bananas got into merch before they even started their podcast.
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They were like friends with talented artists and they got it going immediately. They've got great stuff.
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They do. And we actually expanded it. Do you need a ride? We expanded our merch because we only ever had the shirt.
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Yeah. Now we have other stuff. Take a look. It's fun. Merch is the best. Speaking of Bananas, this week on Bananas, the guest is our friend of the family.
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one of the funniest people, Fortune Feimster. She's just a dream person. She's the greatest.
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She's truly the most hilarious and the best. Her videos on Instagram, she does dancing, eating ice cream videos.
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Oh, my God. And her Brenda videos. Damn. Oh, fuck, Brenda. Damn. Damn. Oh, my God.
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Yeah. If you, Fortune Feimster, put this in your, put it in a file for when you are feeling blue.
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and you just need to not think about anything, you bring up a video of Fortune doing an impression.
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It's Brenda. Brenda, yeah. Yeah. She's either playing Brenda or dancing and eating ice cream
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or any of the other, or just her stand-up. She has a great stand-up special. Totally.
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That came out. Just go enjoy Fortune. She's really an amazing performer. Yeah, and she's great on Bananas this week.
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So check that out. Yeah. Oh, on I Said No Gifts with Bridger Winogar, the great Gabe Liebman, who is a really amazing writer. I'm sure he was a performer originally,
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because who wasn't? And he's written on all your favorite shows, Brooklyn Nine-Nine,
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Pen15. And he's on there talking to Bridger. Stephen, who was there to record it, said it was
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a hilarious episode. Oh, yeah. They're both the best. And The Gift is really funny. I don't want
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to spoil it but okay it's really good okay good love it yeah check that out and that's our that's
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our network it's our business do you know what made me so happy last week which was so weird is
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like so we have this network right and it's like actually it's a job it's like a thing that we do
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and it's it's like an actual network and it's real which is crazy it's a full-time job yeah and so we
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had our friday morning um staff meeting as we always do and everyone catches each other up what
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we doing And this past week we have hired lots of people lately And we had so many people that this time we couldn fit everyone on one screen Yeah On the Zoom meeting And I was just like holy shit this is our business
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It's cool. And we have the best people on the team. It's just like, we can't stop finding the best fucking people.
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It's great. We're so lucky. So thank you all for making it so that we have a network that people would even want
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to pay attention to. It's only because you guys support us so much that we're able to do this awesomeness and
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bring friends and talented people fucking onto your ear holes. Yeah. And maybe FedEx some stuff here and there.
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Yeah. Hold on. Is that a ghost cat? It's a fucking ghost cat. Mimi. Mimi. Hi. Are you done? Come on.
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Come on in. Alright. I know that that's over. What if she jumped on the couch right now and went,
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Well, hi. Well, hi. I don't have a lot of tea. I have Unsolved Mysteries. The new season is good.
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Okay. How many episodes did you get into Unsolved Mysteries? Three or four only.
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Did you get into the tsunami, the Japanese tsunami? Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Crying.
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Every episode, I really am blown away by Unsolved Mysteries. We've talked about it before.
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They're doing incredible work. They've upped it. This is like the, it's almost like the HBO version of Unsolved Mysteries.
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they've done all this every time I go look at this b-roll they just like everything is shot
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beautifully it's all the families it's all the people that have been affected it's these people telling their own story it's just
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so well done but this episode about that I believe it was 2012 tsunami in Japan and the
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after effects and the ghosts of people who don't know that they didn't survive though it kills me it was so sad yeah it's so sad and all the old footage of it was just like
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oh my god it's yeah it's a really it's big i mean it was it was i remember watching that
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watching it as it happened remember when that truck backed up and then drove away and got away
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from the water and so terrifying it's also fascinating episode because you learn so much
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about that that northern japan's culture and i had no idea i didn't understand any of that and to
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have that um the monk that explains right actually what kind of a lot of this is based in it's it's
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so fascinating you will it's beautiful it's so sad and touching and beautiful and it's just
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and when they open they open the cafe so everyone because they the loss of life was so massive for
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this area of Japan. Yeah. And then they just started trying to bring people together.
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Yeah. I mean, just watch it. Just watch it. Just watch it. Bora. Yeah, that's good.
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That was good. My sister actually called me and told me I have to watch it and then tell her if she
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could handle it. Oh. And then I called her and said, no, you can't. Bora? You can't handle it.
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Yeah. Oh. Okay. Oh, my sister doesn't. She's not a fan of true crime or bad things or scary things.
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Wait, wait, wait. I'm talking about Borat. I thought you said Laura. Okay. My sister's scared of Borat.
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Can I please tell my truth? Or are you just going to roll right over it? And I was like, let's confirm.
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Let's confirm again. yep she's scared of big mustaches she's scared of pranks um sorry go ahead no nothing it's just
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like i liked it it's subversive and it's kind of like it's a little anarchist you know it's like
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yeah it's cool here's my problem by the time i'm watching tv at night i need to relax yeah
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things like borat that's like what you that's me going doing it with friends if i have people
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around. But by myself, I literally grind my teeth watching things where people are being pranked or
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like where someone's I feel like I have to go do it. Totally. It's very I fast forward through a lot
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of it. It's it's super like, gross and silly and like dumb in a lot of ways, of course. But it also
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is like the most like, punk rock thing I've seen in a long fucking time. Awesome. Anything else?
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Well, oh, there's a show. So there's two versions of the show. There's a British and an American.
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They're both called The Office. What's it called? Sorry. Had to. Had to. I really like that character, though.
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You just played the character of the girl that understands what you're talking about.
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Oh, The Office. Oh, The Office. And always guesses The Office, no matter what you're saying.
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Oh, that happened on The Office once. Every time you tell her something about your life.
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Oh, you know what? Pam did that on The Office once. Sorry, what was the name of the show?
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And you'd be like, I can't talk to you right now. The show's called Getting On. And I'd first seen the American version, which has Nisi Nash, Laurie...
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I want to say Laurie Kilmartin because she's a stand-up comic that I love. Laurie Metcalf from Roseanne.
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Oh, it's amazing. The nurse one. Yes. And Alex Borsi from Mad TV. We talked about this like years ago, I think.
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It's just one of the best fucking shows on TV. Okay. It's so brilliantly done. if you are looking for any, it's comedy, but then it's really poignant.
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It's really beautifully played. Yeah. I always knew it was based on a British show.
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Well, here comes now that everything I'm watching is that I'm starting to get recommended.
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So the original Getting On comes up and I start watching it. It is unbelievably great.
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Oh, by the way, the English, British, what? The American, the American one is on HBO.
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I just looked it up. Okay. The British one. Yeah. okay the british one though is great
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I haven't seen it. Yeah. The American one's on HBO. If you want to watch it, it's amazing.
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But the British one, I was watching it on Prime, I guess. And it's just it's really, really subtle.
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And it's really fucking realistic. Yeah. Really realistic. Cringy. And it's so good.
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There's one part. There's one part where an old lady because it's their nurses in basically an aftercare.
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Yeah. Like final, final care, final care section of the hospital. and there's this one nurse that's just so dry
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and she's so over it and this old lady's yelling at her and she's like, you're a terrible
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nurse and she goes, I know it's a nightmare everybody says so it's the best reaction
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like when someone's shitting on you to wholeheartedly agree with them you're just like, believe me
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I was about to say it myself it's so hard being this bad I fucking know how do you guys feel?
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everybody says so it's the best so yeah if you're looking for if you're looking for anything a little laugh
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getting on american getting on british yeah can't go wrong can't go wrong um don't go wrong
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never go wrong never just keep it up never never i have to say now i'm gonna stop eating sour candy
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the nerds rope days are over i i went from nerds ropes into a um chewy sweet tarts area that has
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ruined my teeth and my stomach and my way of life and i'm done okay i have to get back to basics i've
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been silly i've been trying well vince has been helping me a lot try to find the best cookies and
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cream ice cream. Oh, like who makes the best. That's a noble, a noble effort. Yeah.
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Where have you landed so far? So far, I mean, Haagen-Dazs, of course, they're the best.
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Or like McConnell's. Is that the big one? Yeah. I mean, you can't, it's never bad.
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It's never bad. There is a Haagen-Dazs limited edition that sometimes comes out and sometimes doesn't.
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Yeah. Called midnight cookies and cream. That's just like, instead of the cream,
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it's like dark chocolate ice cream with, cookies in it. So it's like cookies and chocolate. It's not cream. It's cookies and chocolate cream.
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Yes. I'm getting it. I'm hearing it. That sounds amazing. See, I don't love cookies and cream
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because as a child, I honestly believed if you're going to get ice cream, anything that wasn't chocolate based was a waste of your time.
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I agree. Except for that. But this one is now, you don't even have to fucking deal with it.
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They're like, hey, Georgia, we know what you love and we want to give it to you.
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And I want to take it. And you can just get it in there. The office. But the ice cream days had to end for me because I'm slowly trying to pare it down where it's like I had to do it.
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I was just telling my friend this. I had to do an ice cream embargo. I had to do a cereal embargo.
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And now it's a candy embargo because it's like you're going to have to leave your house and be seen at some point.
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Stop acting like that's never going to happen again. It's happening now and I'm still, you know what I mean?
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Just like, come on. Life's still happening. It's so fucking annoying. It really, it's kind of a pain in the ass.
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Who goes first? Oh, hold, please hold and I'm sorry. Okay, that's okay. But I thought I didn't have a lot.
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But this is one thing I will share with you. And I'm going to send it to both of you right now.
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Georgia, Steve and Ray. On Twitter, I get a tweet from someone named Addison. Hey, Addison.
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At Addison Hair. and they say, hey, Karen Kilgariff, Michael Myers has two arms to hold you with.
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And then they send me pictures. You can buy a 35-foot Michael Myers inflatable Halloween thing.
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35 feet? 30? Okay, 35 fucking feet. Holy shit. Oh, my God. Can you see this? Yes.
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In the distance? Amazing. It's like a landscape shot and Michael Myers is humongous.
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humongous in the foreground. And he has a knife. And he has a fucking knife. And he's kind of staring up at your window.
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All right. Okay. Here's a toughie, but a necessary. This is the 16th Street Baptist Church bombing.
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Whoa. Yeah. Okay. So I got information from the Zen Education Project website, FBI.gov, History.com, Wikipedia.
00:32:50
And then I listen to a podcast. It's called The Black Story. Black is spelled B-L-V-C-K story, hosted by a guy named Marquis.
00:33:01
All right. This is a story that we all know and know how important it is to the civil rights movement,
00:33:09
but don't know. I didn't know a ton of details about it. I just knew about this tragic event.
00:33:14
So I thought it'd be good to kind of look more into it and have some background.
00:33:19
Absolutely. Okay. So Birmingham, Alabama in the 1960s was nationally known as one of America's
00:33:25
most racially discriminatory, violent and segregated cities. Martin Luther King, of course,
00:33:32
had been he'd been arrested there in 1963, while leading a nonviolent campaign of demonstrations
00:33:37
against segregation, and he described Birmingham as, quote, probably the most thoroughly segregated city in the United States.
00:33:46
Throughout the civil rights movement, Birmingham was a major site of protests, marches, and sit-ins, and they're met with brutality by police
00:33:54
and violence from its white citizens. And white supremacists plant homemade bombs in homes and churches
00:34:00
so often that the city gets the nickname Bombingham. Whoa. Yeah. In fact, Birmingham is home to one of the strongest and most violent chapters of the KKK.
00:34:11
They openly backed then Governor George Wallace, who was an outspoken advocate for segregation.
00:34:17
Total piece of shit. As well as the city's police commissioner, Eugene Bull Connor, who was notorious for using violence against demonstrators.
00:34:26
I mean, it's just this like fucking firecracker of a city, you know? Yeah. And it's because of these reasons that civil rights activists made Birmingham a major focus of their efforts to desegregate the Deep South.
00:34:41
It's like going into the eye of the storm, you know, armed with only nonviolent options, which is fucking incredible and so brave.
00:34:50
I can't even imagine. Yeah. Local black churches are fundamental in the organization of these protests and members of the KKK routinely call in bomb threats to churches.
00:35:00
They want to disrupt the civil rights meetings and church services alike that families go to on Sunday mornings.
00:35:07
And the three-story 16th Street Baptist Church, which has a predominantly black congregation,
00:35:12
it's also a rallying point for the city's black population and a routine meeting place for civil rights leaders for organizing and educating the marchers,
00:35:21
which, of course, means it's a target for the racists. The morning of Sunday, September 15th, 1963 was a typical Sunday morning at the 16th Street Baptist Church. That day it was having its Youth Day festivities, and around 200 church members were already there, including kids attending the Sunday school classes. And everyone's getting ready for the start of the services at 11 a.m.
00:35:45
And the sermon that day that was to be given was called A Love That Forgives, which is
00:35:51
from Luke 23 34 in which Jesus is on the cross and asks God to forgive those crucifying him In the basement women lounge five little girls are excitedly changing into their choir robes
00:36:05
because in preparation for Youth Day, they were going to sing in the choir and be ushers for the services.
00:36:12
At approximately 10.22 a.m., an anonymous man calls the church, and when the call is answered, says the words, three minutes, and then hangs up.
00:36:22
But not one minute later, a bomb made of 15 sticks of dynamite that had been planted under the steps of the church close to the basement explodes and blows a crater five feet wide and two feet deep in the exact spot where the five little girls were getting ready.
00:36:40
Addie Mae Collins, who's 14, Nise McNair, who's 11, Carol Robertson, who's 14, and Cynthia Wesley, also 14, are all killed instantly.
00:36:52
The fifth girl, Addie Mae's younger sister, 12-year-old Sarah Collins, survives, but has 21 pieces of glass embedded in her face, and she's blinded in one eye.
00:37:04
In later recollections of the bombing, she says that in the moments immediately before the explosion, she watched as her sister Addie tied another girl's dress sash right before it happened.
00:37:17
The explosion had shaken the entire building and blew a hole over seven feet in diameter in the church's rear wall, destroying the rear steps to the church.
00:37:26
The blast was so strong, it blew passing motorists out of his car and other cars.
00:37:32
I know it's fucking insane. And other cars parked near the site of the blast were destroyed and windows of properties more than two blocks away from the church were also damaged.
00:37:42
That's what an insane explosion it was. And the only stained glass window in the church that doesn't completely shatter shows Christ leading a group of little children.
00:37:53
Violence escalates in Birmingham in the hours following the bombing. And, you know, there's just this outpouring of anger about what's happened.
00:38:02
You know, suddenly the children are involved. And, you know, it's just everyone's horrified by it.
00:38:09
And then two more black youths, Johnny Robinson, who's 16, and Virgil Ware, who's 13, are shot to death within seven hours of the bombing.
00:38:20
Robinson is shot in the back by a policeman as he runs away down an alley. He dies at the hospital.
00:38:27
And Ware is shot in the cheek and chest with a revolver. So he's in a residential suburb 15 miles north of the city.
00:38:34
and a 16-year-old white teen named Larry Sims. He's in a car. He sees wear on the handlebars of a bike and fires at him,
00:38:44
reportedly with his eyes closed. Sims is later convicted of second-degree manslaughter,
00:38:50
and a judge suspends his sentence and imposes two years probation instead. In all, at least 20 people are injured from the initial bombing and the ensuing riots.
00:39:00
The death of the girls draws national attention to Birmingham. Martin Luther King sends a telegram to Governor Wallace after the attack saying, quote, the blood of our little children is on your hands.
00:39:12
Yeah. Yeah. And in fact, a week before the bombing, Wallace had said in an interview with The New York Times that he believed Alabama needed, quote, a few first class funerals to stop racial integration.
00:39:25
on September 18th over 8,000 mourners attend the funerals for three of the little girls
00:39:33
at Reverend John Porter's 6th Avenue Baptist Church the fourth little girl had a
00:39:39
smaller private service Martin Luther King also attends and addresses the mourners with a speech
00:39:44
saying this tragic day may cause the white side to come to terms with its conscience
00:39:50
in spite of the darkness of this hour we must not become bitter We must not lose faith in our white brothers. Life is hard, at times as hard as crucible steel, but today you do not walk alone.
00:40:03
By September 20th, the FBI is able to confirm that the explosion was caused by a device that was purposely planted beneath the steps of the church, close to the girls' bathroom, so it's right there.
00:40:15
Some wire and pieces of red plastic are discovered, and they think it was part of a timing device.
00:40:21
Within days of the bombing, investigators start to focus their attention on the KKK, a splinter group known as the Cahaba Boys.
00:40:30
So the Cahaba Boys formed earlier in 1963 because they felt that the KKK wasn't doing enough to combat desegregation.
00:40:39
This group had previously been linked to several bomb attacks at black owned businesses and the homes of black community leaders throughout the spring and summer of 1963.
00:40:48
and they're considered one of the most violent groups in the South and are later found to be
00:40:54
responsible for the 1961 attacks on the Freedom Riders at the Trailways bus station in Birmingham
00:40:59
as well. The Cahava Boys have fewer than 30 active members and among them are Thomas Blayton Jr.,
00:41:07
Herman Cash, Robert Chambliss, and Bobby Cherry, who eventually become the main suspects in the
00:41:14
bombing at the 16th Street Church. Investigators gather numerous witness statements, and they say
00:41:20
that they saw a group of white men in a turquoise Chevrolet near the church in the early hours of
00:41:25
the morning of September 15th, and they indicate that a white man exited the car and walked toward
00:41:31
the steps of the church. And then physical descriptions closely match with two of the
00:41:36
main suspects. Chambliss is questioned by the FBI on September 26th, and three days later,
00:41:42
he's indicted on charges of illegally purchasing and transporting dynamite, but no federal charges
00:41:49
are filed against him or any of his fellow conspirators in relation to the bombing On May 13th 1965 about two years later local investigators and the FBI formally name Blayton Cash Chambliss and Cherry as the four perpetrators of the bombing with Robert Chambliss the likely ringleader of the four
00:42:11
But the director of the FBI, fucking J. Edgar Hoover, formally blocks any impending federal prosecutions against the subjects.
00:42:20
He blocks it. No one's allowed to fucking move forward at all. And he refuses to disclose any evidence his agents had obtained with the state or federal prosecutors.
00:42:30
Why? Because he's a fucking racist piece of shit. Yeah, but I mean, did he have to explain why?
00:42:37
What the legal reason was? I don't think he does. In 1968, the FBI closes the case officially.
00:42:47
And any files that are pertaining to the case are sealed by his order. The 16th Street Baptist Church bombing remains unsolved for around eight fucking years.
00:42:59
But when William Baxley is elected attorney general of Alabama in 1971, he works on reopening the case.
00:43:07
Within one week of being sworn into office, Baxley researches original police files and determines that they're mostly worthless.
00:43:14
So he requests access to the original FBI files on the case, and he's met with resistance from the federal agency.
00:43:23
And he publicly threatens the Department of Justice for withholding evidence that could result in the prosecution of the bombing suspects.
00:43:30
And so finally, the FBI gives him their findings. And J. Edgar Hoover had died in 1972.
00:43:38
So it seems like maybe someone else was finally able to hand those over. He also seeks out the key witnesses and starts building trust with them.
00:43:47
And they eventually identify Chambliss as the individual who placed the bomb beneath the church.
00:43:55
And Vaxley also gathers evidence proving Chambliss had purchased dynamite from a store in Jefferson County less than two weeks before the bomb was planted.
00:44:04
And he uses the witness testimony and this new evidence to finally formally construct a case against Robert Chambliss.
00:44:13
So on November 14th, 1977, almost 15 years after the bombing, that's how freaking long it took.
00:44:20
Robert Chambliss, now 73 years old, stands trial in Birmingham's Jefferson County Courthouse after being indicted by a grand jury the month before on four counts of murder.
00:44:30
At a pretrial hearing on October 18th, Judge Wallace Gibson rules that Chambliss will only be tried for the murder of Carol McNair, and he wasn't going to be charged in relation to the other three deaths.
00:44:43
That's so crazy about it. And I urge everyone to go look at civil rights era photos in color because the black and white makes it seem so long ago.
00:44:53
And it's fucking not. And in fact, these one of the little girls who was killed, her friend at the time, her childhood friend was Condoleezza Rice.
00:45:01
So that are you serious? Yeah. So that tells you that how how recent it was. You know, yeah, they would not have been these old ladies now.
00:45:11
They were. No, it was not that long ago. And, you know, it's just it's horrifying.
00:45:16
So one of the key witnesses that testifies for the prosecution at Chambliss's trial is Reverend Elizabeth Cobbs, who happens to be Chambliss's own niece.
00:45:28
And I mean, the fear that the witnesses must have had testifying against these people who were just clearly terrorists.
00:45:37
Yeah, they're terrorists. Exactly. So it takes a lot of chutzpah to do that. She states that her uncle repeatedly informed her he had been engaged in what he referred to as a one man battle against black people since the 1940s.
00:45:52
She also says that on the day before the bombing, he had told her he had enough dynamite in his possession to, quote, flatten half of Birmingham.
00:45:59
In his closing statements before the jury on November 17th, Baxley acknowledges that Chambliss is not the sole perpetrator of the bombing and says that if Denise were alive right now, she'd be turning 26 because it happened to be her birthday that exact same day.
00:46:15
The jury deliberates for six hours. And on November 18th, 1977, they find Robert Chambliss guilty of the murder of Carol Denise McNair and sentenced him to life imprisonment.
00:46:27
He tries to appeal by saying that the evidence presented was circumstantial and that the 14 year delay between the crime and his trial violated his constitutional right to a speedy trial.
00:46:41
Bullshit. I mean, yeah, this appeal is dismissed and he dies in prison on October 29th, 1985 at the age of 81.
00:46:50
In 1995, 10 years after Chambliss dies, the FBI reopens their investigation into the church bombing as part of a coordinated effort between local, state and federal governments to review cold cases of the civil rights era.
00:47:06
Good. I mean, it took to 1995 from the 60s to give any attention to these cases.
00:47:14
It's horrific. They unsealed 9,000 pieces of evidence previously gathered by the FBI in the 1960s.
00:47:21
Many of those documents relating to the 16th Street Baptist Church bombing had not been made available to Baxley in the 1970s, even though he was threatening them to get them released.
00:47:33
Senior agent Bill Fleming is assigned the bombings case, and he recruits Birmingham Police Department Sergeant Ben Huron to work on it full time.
00:47:43
So he initially reluctant to take the case, given that more than 100 potential witnesses had died in the decades since the bombing. But in 1996, Heron remembers thinking that it was the ultimate cold case and said, quote,
00:48:00
to do it right, because this is the last time it would be feasible to try to reinvestigate.
00:48:05
Yeah. You know, for nearly 15 months, they scour case files with a singular focus on finding
00:48:14
new leads. And they eventually track down Bobby Cherry, one of the original suspects,
00:48:19
and they interview him for four hours. And Cherry gets so pissed off about being interrogated like
00:48:25
that, that he calls a press conference to proclaim his innocence. And it makes national news. And
00:48:33
because of it, the FBI's phones start ringing. And Fleming said, quote, this was the best thing to
00:48:38
happen to our investigation, because we started getting witnesses and people that were able to
00:48:43
give us information. Nice. Yeah. These same witness accounts would eventually implicate Cherry.
00:48:48
At his trial, Cherry pleads not guilty to the charges. He chooses not to testify on his own
00:48:53
behalf, but survivor Sarah Collins Rudolph, she testifies against him. Can you imagine?
00:49:03
On May 22, 2002, after almost seven hours of deliberation, the jury forewoman announces the
00:49:11
verdict, which convicts Bobby Cherry on four counts of first degree murder and sentences him
00:49:17
to four life terms. Relatives of the four little girls openly weep in relief. He dies. Yeah. He
00:49:26
dies of cancer on November 18th, 2004 at age 74 while incarcerated still. So more tips roll in and
00:49:35
other witnesses step forward and Fleming and Heron expand their focus to Tommy Blanton,
00:49:40
another original suspect and discover that agents in the 1960s had planted listening devices in his home.
00:49:49
Oh. Right? They find the old reel-to-reel tapes and it's this scratchy audio in which Blanton
00:49:57
explains to his wife and another man the details of how the bomb plot unfolded. They have
00:50:02
fucking audio of it. Jesus Christ. No one ever passed on. So they relied on those tapes
00:50:10
at the trial and a jury in 2001 took a couple hours to render a guilty verdict against Blanton
00:50:17
on state murder charges. He's sentenced to life imprisonment and he dies June 26, 2020.
00:50:26
So a couple months ago, a couple months ago. Yeah. The fourth original suspect, Herman Cash,
00:50:32
unfortunately had died in 1994 at 75. So he never gets punished. He never gets any fucking
00:50:38
punishment for this horrific crime that he committed. Fleming and Heron both have said
00:50:44
the investigation was the most rewarding case they ever worked. Heron said, quote,
00:50:49
you feel like you have, you feel like you've done the job, even though it looked like a
00:50:53
tremendous uphill battle, we finally got justice for the little girls. Outrage over the murder of
00:50:59
the four girls became a turning point in civil rights, in the civil rights movement. I think a
00:51:04
lot of people who had been, you know, who knew what was going on and kind of had been in the
00:51:10
periphery, you know, suddenly realized how dire and how violent and how awful, you know, what was
00:51:19
going on. And it was a turning point for them. And it helped build support for the struggle to
00:51:24
end segregation. Two months after the bombing, JFK is assassinated. And he, of course, was an
00:51:31
ardent supporter of the civil rights cause. He had proposed the Civil Rights Act of 1963.
00:51:37
And the movement is galvanized by the outpouring of grief over his death. So on July 2, 1964,
00:51:46
now President Lyndon Johnson signs into effect the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which prohibits discrimination based on race, color, religion, gender, or national origin
00:51:57
to ensure full equal rights of African Americans before the law. And the Voting Rights Act of 1965 is also passed,
00:52:06
aimed to overcome legal barriers at the state and local levels that prevents African Americans from exercising their right to vote.
00:52:14
Because you will get beaten if you go to the fucking polling places. If you try to vote, whether it's legal or not, when it was, you will be attacked.
00:52:23
Right. Very relevant today. Sadly. The shit that we're seeing and the shit that we never even understood was happening or wouldn't have.
00:52:32
It never makes the news. Yeah. The idea that if you if you vote in a certain area of, say, Atlanta, you're going to have to stand in line for eight hours.
00:52:42
Yes. They'll make it that way to make it. They'll make it that way. And you don't get time off work.
00:52:47
You cannot get paid to leave your fucking job and go vote. That's not a thing. Right.
00:52:52
So following the bombing, the 16th Street Baptist Church remains closed for over eight months as repairs are conducted.
00:53:00
And it's declared a national historic landmark in 2006. And it's still an active place of worship today.
00:53:08
Fifty years after the bombing, on May 24th, 2013, President Barack Obama awarded a posthumous congressional gold medal to the four girls killed in the 1963 16th Street Baptist Church bombing.
00:53:22
Addie Mae Collins, who was an outgoing artistic girl. She would go door to door in the white neighborhoods to sell aprons and potholders that her mother had stitched to help make ends meet. Carol Robertson, who was a good student. She loved reading and dancing. She sang in her elementary school choir and played the clarinet and was a member of the Jack and Jill of America Club. It's a civic minded youth and family organization.
00:53:49
Cynthia Wesley who was raised by a single mother but stayed with her adoptive parents she could attend a better school where she excelled at math reading and band And Denise McNair 11 years old who performed in plays dance routines and poetry readings
00:54:07
to raise money for muscular dystrophy research. And that is the 16th Street Baptist Church bombing.
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00:55:46
but it's just kind of like pure insane chaos so I've always just gone like I don't even know how to research that
00:55:55
I'm just going to put it aside but it's kind of a classic true crime what in the living fuck are you talking about story
00:56:05
this is the story of the California witch killers some people call them the San Francisco witch killers
00:56:11
but they did it all over the stage They crossed. They just went up and down California just doing whatever the fuck.
00:56:20
It's so crazy and insane. I don't know if I know this one. It's funny. I've almost picked it so many times.
00:56:28
Yeah. But there's a certain level of just like, I don't even know what you like.
00:56:36
It's basically two mentally ill people who then mixed in drugs and mixed in. And it's a folly ado, they call, you know, when when it's basically they're both they're sharing a delusion.
00:56:50
Yeah. No one thinks to say this is we shouldn't do this. It's crazy. And also they're just not around other people because they're just doing drugs and telling each other what the plan is.
00:56:59
And it's, you know, it's one of these stories. So got information, of course, from Wikipedia.
00:57:06
Oxygen.com had a whole article on it. there is an ID series called when couples kill that has tons of information and detail although
00:57:18
they they were wrong about a couple things where I'm some of the map mapping on this might be
00:57:26
inaccurate because they they the whole thing ends in Santa Rosa which is the town one town
00:57:33
north of Petaluma yeah but they they say it all ended in Napa County and I'm like is there some
00:57:38
weird wine snob that's just trying to talk about Napa in this story because that maybe that's Sonoma
00:57:42
County. And then there's a on medium.com there's a really awesome comprehensive article called the
00:57:51
San Francisco Witch Killers by Delaney R. Bartlett which is great. So it starts in 1981.
00:58:00
A 23-year-old woman named Karen Barnes she's an aspiring actress originally from Georgia and she's
00:58:07
moved to the Haight-Ashbury neighborhood in San Francisco to pursue an acting career.
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So I think she was trying to go to a stopover point before she got to Los Angeles.
00:58:22
There's a lot of playhouses there, right? Like theaters. Yeah, there's theater there.
00:58:27
And there's a couple theater schools and stuff. So it's just funny to me. I'm going to pursue an acting career.
00:58:36
So I'm going to California, but I'm going to go to Stockton. Right. Six hours away from where it all goes down.
00:58:43
Where it actually happens. Yeah. That's fine. I did the exact same route myself.
00:58:49
And I also lived in the Haight-Ashbury. And in the ID One Couples Killed episode that I watched, I was positive they were showing the front of the first apartment we lived in in San Francisco.
00:59:00
Oh, my God. Because it's upper Haight. Yeah. And it was one of those Victorian split level, you know, that we lived on the first floor.
00:59:08
But there was also a basement apartment, first floor, second floor. And so she lived in a place like that.
00:59:15
And she lived in the basement apartment. So she's very open-minded. She's very interested in the spiritual aspects of the recent 70s counterculture movement.
00:59:26
She's just kind of like free spirit, open-minded, interested in like being around interesting people.
00:59:32
Yeah. So one night she goes to a party and she meets this couple who's talking about meditation. They're talking about psychic experiences and psychic behavior. And she's just drawn to their outsider spiritual beliefs and starts talking to them. And they introduce themselves as Michael and Susan Bear.
00:59:52
so as they get to chatting they let her know that they need a place to stay so she very open minded and generous And she like Oh I have an apartment you can come and stay in my apartment in the
01:00:05
Haight-Ashbury. And they do they end up moving in with her. So it it goes bad relatively quickly.
01:00:13
Because they end up just being kind of like these old hippie drug dealers. And they're both super
01:00:20
weird and super, they're combative and they're weird. And it's kind of strange. So on the morning
01:00:26
of March 7th, 1981, police respond to a neighbor's call about a disturbance in Karen's apartment.
01:00:34
And when they go inside the basement apartment, they find strange drawings all over the walls,
01:00:39
unrecognizable, strange symbols, and the name Susan written all around them. they they look through the apartment and in the kitchen they find karen's body wrapped in a
01:00:50
blanket her skull's been crushed and she's been stabbed 13 times in the neck and face oh my god
01:00:57
one of karen's friends um hears something's going on at karen's apartment so she rushes over
01:01:03
and um when she finds out that karen's been murdered she tells the police that karen's
01:01:09
new roommates were these bizarre drug dealing hippies and that that's they should start looking
01:01:14
for those people when they speak to karen's mother um she tells the police that although the couple
01:01:20
went by michael and susan bear their actual last name was carson which was a key um a key element
01:01:31
to know for them to know but when the police try to locate the couple for questioning they're
01:01:35
nowhere to be found. So, Michael Carson, his first name was actually James, not Michael.
01:01:44
He's born in 1950, grows up in Oklahoma to a regular middle-class family. He's interested
01:01:51
in history and religion and philosophy. And he ends up going to the University of Iowa
01:01:57
to study, and that's where he meets his first wife. So, they get married in the 70s. They have
01:02:05
a daughter named Jennifer and they moved to Arizona. Now the wife is the breadwinner of the
01:02:10
family while James at the time stays home. He's basically a house husband. He takes care of
01:02:18
Jennifer and he sells pot for like extra cash. The first I was like, good for him for taking
01:02:24
the gender. Wait, wait a minute. They don't like that. Oh, okay. Oh, I get it. Yeah. So
01:02:30
it's alternative for the time. But he's a loving husband. And in that cup one couples kill the
01:02:39
daughter, Jennifer actually speaks on camera. And she said he was a loving father. She loved growing
01:02:45
up with him. He was great. Yeah. Wow. So as the years go by, his personality begins to change,
01:02:52
which is usually the story, right? So he becomes more and more antisocial starts having irrational,
01:02:57
angry outbursts regularly. And that coupled with his refusal to get a job leads to the couple's
01:03:07
divorce in 1977. So then, meanwhile, Susan, of Michael and Susan couple, her name is originally
01:03:16
Susan Barnes, and she had spent the 60s as a typical housewife and a mother of two, two boys
01:03:24
in Scottsdale, Arizona. But as the counterculture, the popularity of it begins to rise
01:03:31
in the late 60s, 70s, she starts experimenting with acid, with mescaline, with peyote.
01:03:39
And also, and this is the part that makes my skin crawl, she starts hanging out with her son
01:03:43
and their friends. Oh, no. Who are all in high school. And she even sleeps with her son's friends,
01:03:51
also known as statutory rape. And word on the street is that she has slept with 150 high school boys.
01:03:59
What? Now, whether that's gossip because she's just the weird one, I just ache for those boys who had a mother that was that invasive of their lives and disrespectful and then also clearly not okay.
01:04:14
Yeah. Around the age 35, Susan begins having visions while she's on drugs, but also even when she's sober.
01:04:22
she had always believed that she had psychic powers but now she's actually having these these
01:04:28
visions uh or hallucinations and she's taking them very seriously um but no one else does in
01:04:37
fact her husband's like this is it for me and he divorces her um susan though sees this as an
01:04:43
opportunity to reinvent herself she changes her name from susan with an s to susan with a z
01:04:49
the z's in the middle Susan she keeps one s she keeps an s and she gets her she keeps an s and then she kicks one to the curb
01:05:03
and gets crazy and puts a z in her name wow I'm sorry and I know we've said this time and again
01:05:08
but if you're micromanaging the spelling of your name as a way to express yourself take a fucking
01:05:15
pottery class like actually get into what self expression is. It has nothing to do with the spelling
01:05:21
of your name. There's no I or Y that's going to substitute for your fucking creativity. No.
01:05:29
An E-I-G-H instead of a Y means nothing about you as a person. Actually do something
01:05:37
real. Learn tarot reading. There's so many ways to express yourself. Write a little play.
01:05:45
Write a play. write a play about the alphabet and how much it means to you you fucking lunatic okay now here's
01:05:54
the real uh she decides that she is going to become muslim but of course not in the actual official sense not in a real way She kind of adopts the Muslim religion and then decides to fit it to her lifestyle
01:06:11
In 1974, she has a mescaline-induced vision instructing her to find a soulmate and a loyal disciple,
01:06:20
which I'm also in the market for these days. I don't just want someone to share my life.
01:06:27
I want someone to boss around. That's beautiful. Thank you so much. I'm sure you'll find it, Karen.
01:06:33
Thank you. I believe. So three years later at a party in 1977, she meets James Carson.
01:06:42
They just happen to be at the same fucking like, what are the chances? I mean, they're just like two crazy magnets drawing together.
01:06:50
Yeah. So they meet at this party. He introduces himself. He says, hi, my name's James.
01:06:55
She immediately says, no, your name's Michael. No. Yes, she does. Okay. She says she had a vision about him and that he is essentially the angel Michael who fought the devil, which not sure about that.
01:07:11
But he immediately is like, you're right. My name's Michael. Immediately goes. So now she's actually like, here he is because he's my follower.
01:07:22
I'm going to be able to tell him what to do. he's actually saying sure i'll change my name i just met this lady so it's like it's love at
01:07:30
first sight yeah they hit it off in the worst way they immediately get together as we used to say in
01:07:36
high school um and soon after susan with a z has another vision instructing them to change that
01:07:45
that they need that they need to have the last name bear b-e-a-r bear bear bear like the animal
01:07:52
Okay. So they become Susan and Michael Bear, but not legally. So as Michael falls deeper under Susan's spell, Michael's first wife grows increasingly concerned for herself and her daughter's safety.
01:08:07
Yeah. Rightfully so. So she's afraid Michael might try to kidnap Jen, take her away, or do something to the family.
01:08:16
So she cuts all ties with him, stops talking to him entirely, and anyone else who knows him.
01:08:21
basically so that he can never find them again and that he can't find his daughter.
01:08:27
Susan and Michael travel around in search of spiritual enlightenment while dealing drugs.
01:08:35
They claim to be, quote, vegan Muslim warriors of God. But, of course, their belief is entirely made up and has absolutely nothing to do with.
01:08:45
And in fact, is it mostly in direct conflict with the tenants of Islam? Yeah, it just starting with dealing with drugs, dealing drugs.
01:08:56
I mean, it's insane. And then in that they're kind of like spiritual quest. Michael learns about an ancient sect called the Hash Hashim.
01:09:07
And they were basically this this sect of assassins. They would smoke hash and then go kill their enemies.
01:09:14
and it's where the word assassin comes from actually just a little piece of trivia um so
01:09:22
he decides that's what they are and that's what he wants to do um susan's like yeah but we kill
01:09:27
witches and basically they got it into their drug-addled brains that there were witches
01:09:33
everywhere and the witches were using mental powers to control others and try to control them
01:09:39
so that it's their mission in life to kill witches and drugs drugs baby it's like
01:09:46
when you come up with theories about what your life is all about right and it has to do with
01:09:53
killing other people in a righteous way again check in with an adult or a qualified uh psychiatric
01:10:04
Right. Check yourself into rehab. Medical. Yeah. Start with rehab, then go to a mental hospital. Oh, that's right. They don't have those anymore. Right. Because we've cut all mental health services.
01:10:17
Okay, so Susan and Michael, they start out together in Arizona in 1978. They take a trip to Europe.
01:10:27
They're kind of trying to preach this religion that they're making up. At one point, they're in England.
01:10:34
They stop at Stonehenge. They get married, quote, unquote, beneath the moonlight.
01:10:38
Not a legal marriage, just a weird pseudo-hippie moonlight ceremony. But soon they run out of money.
01:10:46
In 1980, they make it to San Francisco to the Haight-Ashbury. And at some point there, they go to this party and they freak out almost everybody at the party except for 23-year-old aspiring actress Karen Barnes, who is basically there to kind of be like, you know, I want to talk to and meet weird people and explore what life outside of what I already know.
01:11:14
To be like open hearted and to see what the universe holds for her. Yes. Yeah. She's a very spiritual person herself.
01:11:23
So she's intrigued by when they're when they're speaking about this religion kind of thing that they're talking about.
01:11:30
You know, she wants to hear it. And as I said, she lets them come and stay at her apartment.
01:11:37
But Michael and Susan actually want more. they want Karen to join in on their relationship and
01:11:43
they want to become a throuple with her because she's a gorgeous blonde actress I mean she looks like an actress
01:11:51
so she declines and that's when Susan tells Michael Karen is a witch yeah so when
01:12:00
Karen comes home from work on March 6, 1981. Michael follows her into the kitchen, beats her in the head with a skillet, then grabs a knife and stabs her a total of 13 times.
01:12:12
They rest Karen's head on a pillow, wrap her body in a blanket, and then draw these bizarre religious symbols all over the walls and the name Susan with a Z.
01:12:21
So then they and then, of course, they get out of town. Yeah. And what they do is they hitchhike all the way up to Oregon.
01:12:30
They get to Grant's Pass and there they find, so it's kind of they're out in the wilderness and they walk in the wilderness until they find this abandoned shack.
01:12:39
So they hide out there and while the investigation of Karen's murder is taking place in San Francisco and that runs cold because they can't find the bears.
01:12:50
And so basically Michael and Susan are squatting in his cabin for months. At one point they run out of supplies.
01:12:58
So while Susan stays behind in in the shack, Michael hitchhikes to Los Angeles. Yeah, which I'm like, why would how about you just go to the nearest town?
01:13:10
Yeah, but he basically there's they didn't give a reason. But he leaves for a while to basically go get supplies when he gets back.
01:13:21
By the time he gets back, Susan's starving and she's delusional in this cabin. And they eventually get discovered by a park ranger who kicks them out and like, you can't squat here.
01:13:33
So they head south and hitchhike back down into California and they get all the way down near Big Sur.
01:13:42
and they get picked up by a really nice local who offers to let them stay in a tree house he's built
01:13:50
on his property near the Ventana Wilderness, which is that big, beautiful forestry area by Big Sur.
01:14:01
And they stay there for a little while, but of course, they become combative with the man.
01:14:07
They argue, they freak him out with their weird beliefs and eccentricities. Apparently, Susan had this weird habit of smiling at really inappropriate times.
01:14:18
And I saw a little bit of video of her, and it's really scary. It's very odd. Yeah.
01:14:23
She smiles and laughs when you're not supposed to. Oh, God. Yeah. So in spring of 1982, the man finally kicks them out of the treehouse.
01:14:32
He's like, I've been nice enough to you. So to retaliate, Susan and Michael rob his house and set it on fire.
01:14:41
Holy shit. Yeah. And then they basically run and hitchhike back north. So now they're going back up north to Humboldt.
01:14:51
And they've stolen a handgun from this man's house. So they had that with him. They make it all the way to a town called Alder Point in Humboldt County, where they find work and housing working on a weed farm.
01:15:04
So it's an early 80s weed farm. So it must have been highly secretive and, you know, kind of scary.
01:15:09
But also in Humboldt, it's like in the early 80s. It's just there's nothing up there.
01:15:16
Basically, it's real wild and, you know, sparsely populated. So they waste no time in revealing how weird they are to the fellow pot farm workers launching into their belief about anarchy with killing witches,
01:15:32
their desire for revolution, their prediction of a nuclear apocalypse in the not-too-distant future.
01:15:38
They're also constantly bickering. They're just all around not the best. And basically, everyone kind of like bum out, tolerates them until the pot farm owner's friend, Clark Stevens, shows up to work on the farm too.
01:15:56
And Clark is a really outgoing, gregarious guy. He loves to drink. He loves to party. And immediately Susan and Michael don't like him and buttheads with him. They're offended by his behavior, by his partying ways and by his talk, you know, swearing and whatever. Him just being himself. Susan calls it an affront to Allah.
01:16:20
Okay. he swore at me, which is the equivalent of rape. And he is definitely a witch and you have to kill
01:16:57
him. So Michael takes the stolen handgun and shoots Clark in the face. Then he dumps lighter
01:17:05
fluid. And this is so it's out on this farm where they basically are. The farm is in the middle of
01:17:10
the woods to keep the pot hidden. Yeah. So they're they're they're kind of out in the middle of
01:17:15
nowhere anyway. Then, so he kills Clark by shooting him. Then he tries to light the body on fire to
01:17:24
get rid of the evidence, but it doesn't burn entirely. So he dumps a bunch of fertilizer
01:17:30
on it in the woods and then just leaves the body there and they're on the run again.
01:17:35
Yeah. So Clark Stevens is reported missing to the Humboldt County police. And two weeks after
01:17:43
that confrontation a dog on the farm is found playing with what they think is a ball and when
01:17:50
they get up close it a human skull so they call the police it a pot farm in 1982 and they call they have to call the police to be like we something terrible has happened Cause I sure deep down they were like
01:18:05
this is kind of a case scenario of our missing friend. So police find Clark's burnt remains buried in the woods and Michael and
01:18:13
Susan are of course the prime suspects. So on the run again, Michael and Susan make it down to Trinity County,
01:18:22
which is kind of right over the state line there, kind of where Eureka is. So they're on the run, right?
01:18:31
And they're hitchhiking. And at one point, they're in the woods somehow kind of hiking through.
01:18:38
And they see all these police with flashlights and police dogs. And they think it's the cops have found them.
01:18:45
Well, what was actually happening, it was a search and rescue team were looking for a lost hiker.
01:18:49
so they both and i'm sure they're still on drugs so they dump both their backpacks and run in
01:18:56
different directions when police um find those abandoned backpacks and search them they find pot
01:19:03
they find 38 caliber caliber bullets they find um an id for a man named richard errata and they
01:19:11
also find an anarchist manifesto entitled cry for war why did they leave their fucking backpacks
01:19:17
Why didn't they take them? They panicked. They thought the cops were like, because they were heavy.
01:19:21
Yeah. And they needed to run. So they just dumped them and ran, I guess. That's my theory.
01:19:27
And also that's what the B-roll in the episode of One Couple's Kill made it look like.
01:19:32
So it could have been they'd already taken them off. I don't know. Yeah. Basically, this manifesto features a hit list of prominent figures.
01:19:41
it declares that God wants them to kill Ronald Reagan, who is the current president and Johnny Carson.
01:19:49
And the reason was because their first middle and last names, both of those men's first middle and the last names each had six letters,
01:19:58
six, six, six. So they're doing, so we're talking drugs, drugs, drugs. That's like the druggiest thinking of all time.
01:20:07
The police lift fingerprints off the manuscript. They ID Michael, who's wanted for questioning and the murder of Clark Stevens.
01:20:15
And because it contained death threats to the president, the Secret Service is also notified.
01:20:21
Got it. So Michael's on the run and he makes it all the way down to Alhambra. Huh.
01:20:30
Right. In Southern California. So one night he's walking down the street in Alhambra and he is they ID him mistakenly for a rape suspect of a rape that had just happened.
01:20:44
So the description matched Michael because he had this big, crazy beard and long, dark hair.
01:20:50
So so the cop basically gets out. He's and he still has the gun that he used to call Clark, but he's hiding it in basically in his crotch, like in the front of his pants.
01:21:01
So the cop makes him get down on the ground and lay on the ground. And then he pats him down like that.
01:21:06
So he doesn't feel the gun because it's in its crotch. So then the cop puts him in the cop car and takes him into the police station to take his picture to be identified.
01:21:17
He tells him his name is Richard Arada because that's the name that was on the ID that he had.
01:21:23
So he gets his picture taken. They fax it to the hospital. The rape victim sees the picture.
01:21:28
It says that's not the guy. so um the officer ends up letting him go oh no yeah and then when the next um shift officer
01:21:38
comes on duty it's i guess part of the job they go through the patrol car and that shift officer
01:21:44
oh sorry he finds the gun that michael had had in his crotch he had taken it out of his pants and
01:21:52
shoved it into the back seat of the cop car so that it wasn't on his person when he went into
01:21:57
the station okay so what once they found that they knew this guy actually they should have kept him
01:22:03
they put out an apb for richard arada they run ballistics tests on that gun and find out it's
01:22:10
the same gun that killed clark stevens whoa yeah so now they know the guy that they had was like
01:22:16
actually a murderer yeah but it was the early 80s where they did have a database um but they didn't
01:22:24
think to check it. Right. And it probably didn't work that fast either. It was those really slow computers where you put in your request and it comes back four days later.
01:22:35
Yeah. Okay. So, Suzanne and Michael had a plan to meet up in Sonora, California,
01:22:42
which is this little mountain town that's like east of Stockton and a little bit north of Yosemite.
01:22:48
So, it's out in the middle of nowhere. Basically, they end up meeting back up and finding each other
01:22:53
in Sonora. Oh my God. Um, yeah. And they, yeah. Okay. I mean, no cell phones, no cell phones,
01:22:59
no nothing modern. And they end up meeting each other. Um, they end up eventually getting back
01:23:05
up to Portland because they had a friend that lived there. Um, so there was somewhere to crash.
01:23:10
Of course, almost immediately the friends like you guys got to get the fuck out of here. You're
01:23:14
the worst. Um, and they do peacefully except they steal another 38 pistol that was at the friend's
01:23:22
house. So they stay on the run till January of 1983, when they are at that point, they're
01:23:29
hitchhiking down near Bakersfield. And they're picked up by a 30 year old named John Hellier.
01:23:34
So John, he's driving a pickup truck. He's going north, that's where they want to go.
01:23:40
So he picks them up, Susan's in the middle, Michael's on the other side. And relatively
01:23:46
soon after they get picked up, Susan lets Michael know very discreetly that she knows John's a witch.
01:23:55
So they end up taking the They end up driving up to Sonoma County from Bakersfield So I think this guy was probably thinking he had this long trip to go on
01:24:07
And it's five hours. So he doesn't want to go by himself. So he picks up this couple like, oh, at least we can hang.
01:24:14
But of course, they're insane. How subtle do you think she really was letting him know that the driver's a witch?
01:24:21
I bet it wasn't as subtle as they thought it was. You know, when you're on drugs.
01:24:25
Yeah, probably not. And regular subtle are two very different things. I wonder if it's just like, and if I smile real big, you'll know that there's a witch in town.
01:24:33
Yeah. So and then there's all, you know, immediately there's conflict because he has country music on the radio.
01:24:41
She doesn't like it. You know, there's all these things. And at one point, his leg touches her leg.
01:24:47
And that's when she they're they're in Sonoma County at this point. And she basically turns, gives Michael the signal and lets him know that it's time to kill the witch.
01:24:58
She leans forward and Michael pulls out the 38. And John's like, holy shit. And he ends up, they're on the freeway.
01:25:08
Oh, my God. He ends up fighting him off, making sure the gun doesn't go off and pulling over to the side of the road.
01:25:16
Holy shit. getting out of the truck that Michael and Susan follow and chase him.
01:25:22
There's a fight on the shoulder of the freeway that goes on for so long that people again,
01:25:28
no cell phones. It's 1982. Sorry, it's 1983. There's a fruit stand on the other side of the freeway that can see it happening.
01:25:37
And they end up calling the police. And there's all these witnesses driving by seeing this crazy fight on the side of the road.
01:25:44
John is trying to wrestle the gun away from Michael. But at some point in the fight, Susan gets her hands on a knife and ends up stabbing John, which then incapacitates him.
01:25:58
He can't fight anymore. And then Michael shoots him. Oh, man, I really wanted him to win.
01:26:03
I know I did, too. So now there's witnesses everywhere. The police are on the way.
01:26:09
So Michael and Susan steal the truck and they speed off. 30-year-old John Hellyer is pronounced dead at the hospital.
01:26:18
So the police, meanwhile, have the description. They know all these. There's so many witnesses that they know exactly.
01:26:26
So now they actually end up being able to find and begin to chase Michael and Susan in John's truck.
01:26:34
Holy shit. And a high-speed chase ensues. Susan's the one driving. Oh, my God. So they drive for a little while, but eventually she loses control of the truck.
01:26:44
They go careening into a ditch and the truck crashes. They survive. The police arrest Michael and Susan.
01:26:53
In custody, Michael and Susan don't answer any questions that the police ask them about the Clark Stevens murder.
01:27:01
They just want to talk about their religion, about Susan's ESP powers and about the threat of witches.
01:27:07
um susan tells police they are in the midst of a holy war against witches they're held in jail
01:27:14
as this investigation continues and basically michael starts complaining that they're not
01:27:19
getting enough press uh-huh so he basically says they've killed the biggest witch of the mall in
01:27:27
san francisco and that they should be getting that reporters should know this story and be
01:27:32
reporting this story well the police hear him say that and now basically they're like that was a
01:27:37
confession to karen barnes's murder so that so now they know so they're basically they're like okay
01:27:44
what you want to you want to tell your story let's set it up because they're like now we'll find out
01:27:49
any what whatever they've been doing at least we'll know they basically set up a press conference
01:27:54
for the two of them to talk instead of a normal interrogation that would be recorded and trying
01:28:00
to get them to confess they're like okay it's a press conference so um on march 10th 1983
01:28:06
michael and susan sit with this big bunch of reporters and launch into a six hour rant
01:28:15
about all of their beliefs and all of the things that they've been doing six hours video
01:28:20
can you watch it there's there was a clip of it on that tv show yeah i'm sure watching it is
01:28:26
exhausting mentally it's i if you were one of those reporters i'd just be like this is such
01:28:32
bullshit you would literally run to the nearest bar when you left that because they clearly are
01:28:36
not okay right she's standing there smiling he has dead eyes and he's just looking off the
01:28:41
distance kind of talking about uh what's happening and it's and it's really is a very upsetting
01:28:48
clear mental illness and clear brain togeneration from drug use i mean that's just what it is yeah
01:28:55
They talk about George Orwell's 1984. They call Ronald Reagan the devil, which isn't isn't too far off.
01:29:02
And 1984 is a great book. Yeah. They say that witches prevent a universal threat.
01:29:10
They all need to be killed. And they say that their system is the best for exterminating witches.
01:29:17
Susan has her visions about who's a witch and then Michael kills them. so during this they end up confessing to the murders of Karen Barnes Clark Stevens and John
01:29:29
Hellyer and so the two both end up being each charged with three counts of first degree murder
01:29:35
and from what I can tell that a press conference does not go wide so their first trial begins in
01:29:41
late May 1984 for the murder of Karen Barnes just before the trial begins they withdraw their
01:29:48
confessions and they plead not guilty. But it's too late. And on June 12th 1984 after just three days they both found guilty of Karen murder and they each sentenced to 25 years to life Then they tried for Clark Stevens murder and again very quickly they found guilty
01:30:06
and they each receive a sentence of 50 years to life. Their third trial for John Hellyer's murder
01:30:11
ends. Similarly, they each get 75 years to life for his murder. Neither Michael or Susan ever
01:30:18
express any remorse for the killings. In fact, when asked, they just talk more about the hit list
01:30:25
that they have. On top of that, the couple is now considered suspects in at least a dozen other
01:30:32
murder cases across the country and in Europe that line up with their kind of nomadic travels.
01:30:42
Unfortunately, there was no, not enough evidence was ever found to confirm or deny any of those
01:30:48
cases, but there are definitely deaths that line up with the way how they moved around
01:30:54
America. I wonder how many people they killed. Yeah. So in December of 2015, that's the first time Susan's eligible for parole.
01:31:04
She's quickly denied. And her next parole hearing will tentatively be in December of 2030.
01:31:11
Michael Carson, James Carson, but Michael Carson is supposed to be considered for parole
01:31:17
in June 2005, but he waives his suitability hearing for five years. So he doesn't seek
01:31:24
parole for the first time until May 26, 2020, age 69. And among the people who speak out against his
01:31:34
release is his own daughter, Jen Carson. And she has this to say. Yeah, she's badass. She says,
01:31:41
quote, you don't address mass incarceration by releasing the less than 1% of prisoners who are
01:31:47
serial killers. My father. Yep, right. My father, Michael Bear Carson, hunted humans, young,
01:31:55
beautiful, innocent victims. He's a predator who will kill again. I oppose my father's parole.
01:32:02
Whoa, dude. She fucking addresses a mass incarceration while she fucking And she's like, yes, mass incarceration needs to get solved.
01:32:12
Right. Yes. There are many people that need to get released from prison. This motherfucker isn't one.
01:32:18
And he's my father. And I loved him. And keep him in jail. He's a serial killer.
01:32:24
Yeah. There's a big difference, which is amazing. So Michael Carson is denied parole via a Skype hearing due to COVID-19 on May 27th, 2020.
01:32:34
And afterward, Jen Carson makes another public statement. And here's what she has to say.
01:32:41
Quote, I spoke out against my father's parole because I believed he would kill again if released.
01:32:46
We may never know how many people were killed by my father, Michael Bear Carson, or where they're buried.
01:32:52
But today there was justice for three known victims, Karen Barnes, Clark Stevens, and John Hellyer, and future violence was prevented.
01:33:01
And at the end of that episode of Couples Who Kill, she is also quoted as saying this.
01:33:08
People don't think about the relatives of a violent offender, but the child of a criminal is a criminal victim, too.
01:33:16
And that is the awful story of the California witch killers. Wow. That was great.
01:33:24
Good job. I mean, horrible. Right. Good job. Thank you. Yeah. Pure insanity. Yeah.
01:33:32
Good job. Thank you. We should. We definitely need some fucking hurrays, don't we?
01:33:37
We absolutely need it. Hey, hey, hey, hey. Fucking hurray. Go, Georgia. Wow. Good one.
01:33:46
Thanks. Thank you. Want me to go first? Yeah. Okay. This is from Instagram. Ziggy Zamboni says,
01:33:54
my hashtag fucking hooray is that I'm finally escaping the clutches of my psychotic manager,
01:34:02
but moreover, advancing my career path. Well, yeah, well, this might not seem like much to some,
01:34:08
I struggle with taking a stand for myself. I accepted the fact that I was not where I wanted
01:34:13
to be and needed to risk the mental and emotional exhaustion of being uncomfortable for a bit if I
01:34:19
was going to ultimately get where I wanted to be. So I started making noise to some higher ups. And
01:34:25
now my exodus is in motion. I feel a huge weight taken off my shoulders. And I'm looking forward
01:34:30
to advancing my career. Stay sexy. And remember, you are your greatest advocate. Only you can make
01:34:36
it happen. Yeah, sometimes you love it. Uncomfortable a little before you're able to.
01:34:42
I would just like to do a very kind, kindly correction to say, because because they said something about being like that hardly anybody else is uncomfortable in that specific way.
01:34:57
Which is, no, everybody is. Everyone is. They're just people are really good at faking it.
01:35:04
At some point in everyone's life, we've been there. Yeah. Well, it's weird. You were psychically linked Georgia right now because here's the one I picked.
01:35:14
I should go first. This is from Abe Langer. Abe Langer. This is from the fan cult form.
01:35:21
Abe Langer 94 says this is called why you should always go for it. A few months ago, a position at my company opened up and I hadn't really paid any attention to the job posting because it seemed unattainable and I wasn't really even qualified.
01:35:36
on the day of the posting a woman who i consider a mentor sent me a message who's saying you're a
01:35:42
fucking idiot if you don't go for this well put and then it says she didn't use any exclamation
01:35:51
points oh so the person did a you know fucking with like an asterisk and an ampersand and all
01:35:56
that um but then she in parentheses wrote she didn't use any points because she's a badass businesswoman who doesn't need to soften her sentences.
01:36:04
Right on. And so the next day, I sent in my resume for consideration. After what feels like an exceptionally long process of interviews, anxiety, doubt, more
01:36:15
interviews, and some crying, I just recently found out that I got the job. It's an incredible opportunity for growth, and it came with a nice pay bump, too.
01:36:26
All of this is to say that I shouldn't have doubted myself so much because I'm smart, funny, and I work really hard.
01:36:33
And how often do men doubt their abilities when they apply for a job or speak up in a meeting?
01:36:38
Hardly ever, it seems like. So I'm about to pour myself a drink and toast to my awesome accomplishment.
01:36:44
Fucking hooray. And here's the thing, too. Yes, fucking hooray. And hell yeah. And this is why we need, especially in business.
01:36:54
But I mean, in real life, it's great. But in business, you do need a mentor, a person that has a little more experience than you and that sees things big picture. Because, of course, it's hard to know your own qualifications and believe that you you're just of course, it's me like, yeah, a lot of people feel that way. So it's so great to have that leadership and the guidance from somebody that can go, oh, no, no, I know. I know you can do it.
01:37:20
Totally. Because then you can trust that. How would you know it's you and you've never done it before?
01:37:25
Yeah. Don't trust your don't trust your brain. That's that's been telling you you can't your whole freaking life.
01:37:31
Like, right. Find someone you respect and believe them. Right. And also by that lady who said you're a fucking idiot if you don't go for this, a big bottle of liquor, because that's the that's the stuff of life.
01:37:45
That's what we all need. Liquor. Cheerleaders. Oh, cheerleading and liquor. and liquor That awesome This is from Eleni May times three on Instagram My fucking hooray is that despite 2020 being an overall bullshit year for the world I got married bought a house and celebrated my third decade of life
01:38:06
It hasn't always been roses as I'm a social worker in a pediatric hospital and a black woman in this country whose government seemingly devalues black lives.
01:38:16
Many days were spent in bed, pushing aside my own grief in order to support families with theirs.
01:38:21
thankfully I had other rad women of color to debrief with and carry on regardless of everything
01:38:28
I'm incredibly grateful and so fucking proud for all that me and my sweet husband who I turned into a murderino
01:38:35
have achieved during such crazy times beautiful I know right what was the name on that one?
01:38:43
Eleni May times three this one says fucking hooray for my grandma getting her civic duty shit together
01:38:49
this is from mads hates also from the fan cult my seven-year-old grandma her name's gloria q laura
01:38:57
branigan gloria registered to vote for the first time in 2018 for the first time after the 2016
01:39:07
election i was so frustrated with my family members who voted third party didn't vote for
01:39:12
either presidential candidate or, in grandma's case, did not vote at all. In 2018, I made it my
01:39:19
mission to get her registered after realizing her congressional district in our very red state was
01:39:25
competitive. Oh, hey-o, Utahns. We worked on the registration paperwork together and made sure she
01:39:32
received her mail-in ballot. This is something Utah actually gets right. As for alcohol laws,
01:39:37
Don't get me started. She mailed in her ballot and voila. She voted in her first election and that candidate won his race.
01:39:46
Yesterday, I texted her to see if that if she had sent in her ballot yet. I plan to offer to drop it off for her.
01:39:52
But she replied, yep. And I dropped it off in a ballot box She mentioned this was her first time voting in a presidential election something I hadn even considered I very proud of her and grateful that mail voting is so
01:40:06
easy in Utah. So fucking hooray for grandma and fucking hooray for easy voting options.
01:40:13
Amazing. Yeah, that's amazing. I can't even imagine like being 70 something and never
01:40:19
having voted in a presidential election. Just like, yeah, well, I guess I can being from it.
01:40:26
It just people have been very lackadaisical about their I I'll say it this way. I've been very lackadaisical about my civic duties in that way where there are certain
01:40:39
things I say, oh, yeah, I'll do that. Of course, I have to do that. But then there's other ways like, you know, I just read this big thing about jury duty
01:40:47
that like I've always taken that as a thing to get out of or oh I have work I have the perfect
01:40:52
excuse yeah it jury duty is a very very important um thing to participate in yeah and especially if
01:41:02
you pay attention to stuff and you care about totally how things could go like so anyway all
01:41:07
that stuff is like if you've been bad you can start being good yeah like don't hold it against
01:41:13
yourself just get just get in there and get at it totally oh god um cool what a time we live in
01:41:23
this weekend is halloween so spooky halloween right spooky halloween everyone spooky halloween
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have i'm we're all gonna have the spookiest halloween of all time so take care of yourself
01:41:36
you know stay calm try to you know stay strong get yourself a 32 foot Mike Myers
01:41:45
if you need it right? if you have that extra 3k laying around if that's self care to you
01:41:53
then it's self care and you can do it or you can just print up a picture of Michael Myers and just put it in a little heart locket and hold it right by your heart Whatever you need Halloween style to keep yourself strong
01:42:06
But we're going to get through this. We will be together and stay sexy. And don't get murdered.
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