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MFM Minisode 202

November 23, 2020 /

This episode features discussions on various true crime stories, including a school shooting in Panama City, Florida, and the abduction and murder of Jennifer Kuhn in Rochester, New York. The hosts also share listener-submitted stories about a cannibal in Ireland and a haunted house in Minnesota.

Brin recounts a chilling incident involving Clay Allen Duke, who held a school board meeting hostage in 2010. Duke's actions were shocking, especially as the event was streamed live, leaving witnesses horrified.

Another listener shares the tragic story of Jennifer Kuhn, who was abducted and murdered in 1993. Her father's activism for improved 911 services following her death highlights the impact of personal tragedy on community safety.

Patrick tells a bizarre tale of a soccer player in Ireland who became a cannibal after a mental health crisis. This story reveals the complexities of mental illness and its consequences.

Lastly, Taylor shares a haunting story about her aunt's house, where her ex-husband secretly lived in the attic, watching her through hidden cameras. This unsettling revelation adds a layer of horror to the already eerie atmosphere of the house.

TLDR

The episode covers true crime stories, including a school shooting, a murder, a cannibal, and a haunted house with hidden cameras.

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of two of my favorite things that people had to leave, abandon their entire, you know,
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I love what you do. Let's get into it. While I was listening to you talk about this shooting in Huntsville, it reminded me of a shooting that happened in my hometown that same year.
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Clay Allen Duke, whose wife was a teacher and had recently been fired, attended a school board meeting in Panama City, Florida, in December of 2010.
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He stood up, pulled out a can of red spray paint. That's so disturbing. painted the V for Vendetta symbol on the wall.
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He then pulled out a gun and let the other attendees of the meeting leave, as well as the two female board members.
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So he basically kept the male board members. Horrifying. As one of the board members was leaving, she tried to attack Duke with her purse,
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but he knocked her to the floor, but still thankfully didn't shoot her and let her leave.
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The superintendent of schools Bill Husefeld tried to negotiate with him to let the rest of the board leave but Duke would not listen Duke ended up firing four shots at point blank range
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which miraculously all missed. By this time, the security guard began firing upon Duke,
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hitting him several times. Once he went down, Duke took his own life. The craziest thing about
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this to me was that the entire thing was streaming no yep i and it says i had teachers watching all
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of this happen in real time the story blew up and got national attention and the female board member
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sold the purse she tried to disarm him with for charity oh ginger that went from you to all real fast oh i forgot about the name ginger oh ginger you badass
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the shooting in front of the the um courthouse um with with the guy in the tree and he just kept
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dodging the bullets like oh my god yes a person with a gun in a room trying to kill people it's
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like yeah what a traumatic nightmare amazing good job brin thank you okay this one's called an early
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1990s abduction with some solutions. Hello to my Murderino fam. I was born and raised in Rochester,
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New York. My parents raised my brother and I by watching the news, Unsolved Mysteries,
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and Rescue 911, leaving us obsessed with all things horrendous. Anyway, I happen to remember
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an incredibly sad hometown murder that I wanted to share. On November 13, 1993, 18-year-old college
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student Jennifer Kuhn was abducted from a suburban mall parking lot after using the ATM in an affluent
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town near Rochester, New York. Jennifer desperately called 911 with her cell phone while
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the abductors were driving. She pleaded with the 911 operator to help her, but since it was the early 90s,
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the technology to pinpoint a caller wasn't accessible. It's horrible. Jennifer Kuhn was
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raped, then shot and killed, all while on the line with 911. She was found dead two hours
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after the initial call, and the cell phone was locked on 911. One of Jennifer's killers, Willis Knight, was arrested six months later.
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There's a brief mention of others involved, but no conviction or follow up as to what happened to them.
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What the fuck, Rochester police. And I looked it up and I guess there's like people talking to each other on the 911 recording, but they said it was only one person.
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The gut wrenching 911 recording was played in court and the 911 operator whom Jennifer spoke with took the stand to convict Knight.
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He was sentenced to 37.5 years to life in prison and I'm happy to report is still in jail.
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Following his daughter's murder, her father, David Kuhn, asked local officials to install security cameras in such parking lots but received no response.
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This led Mr. Kuhn to political activism. He successfully ran for the 135th Assembly District seat in a special election held in February 1996 and won that shit.
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Hell yeah. One of Kuhn's legislative priorities was for full funding of E-911, a system used in North America to automatically provide the caller's location to 911 dispatchers.
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Kuhn and his wife, Suzanne, were also instrumental in creating and managing the Jennifer Patterson Kuhn Peacemaking Foundation at their daughter's college, St. John Fisher.
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The foundation recognizes and honors people who have made a significant contribution to peacemaking and who foster and stimulate a commitment to peacemaking in our society.
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The end. Love you all. And then I so I looked him up to see where he is now, and I couldn't really find out what's exactly happening.
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I guess he lost to he lost his next election. Yes, but I did see his Wikipedia and it says Kuhn is in favor of increased penalties for violent crime, including the elimination of the statute of limitations for criminal sex cases.
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So I'm wondering where he is now, if anyone has any info. I mean, it's just wow.
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I mean, that's a horrible story. And again, like when you're like, then he ran for assembly.
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It's just it gets me because those people are in such pain, suffering such a horrible loss.
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And then it's like, and now I'm going to go take action. I mean, it's like it's the beautiful part, you know, through the grief, you can actually use grief to help you.
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Through his grief, he's trying to keep other people's children safe. That's what he's doing.
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It's like he is trying. His whole point is to make the world safer because he can't do anything about what happened to his daughter.
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He wants to do something that's for someone else's daughter, which is just incredible.
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And the idea of peacekeeping. Yeah, is so nice. That idea of like, what if what if we in this utopian concept, none of us had to deal with this shit in any way in any part of me?
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I mean, or if you like, just try to do better things for the world, even though it won't affect you.
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You know, it's like try to do better for everyone else. Right. What a great concept.
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Yeah. To kind of like, I don't know, the more we do the show, the more these stories we read and we read things like this.
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Parents that then take up this unbelievable charitable action for other people. It's like the solution is not revenge.
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The solution is not hurting more people It like to then go out and try to lessen the hurting and the I don know it very beautiful and inspiring Yeah Yeah Okay Wow Are you ready for this one Sure
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We're going to be now going over to our friends over in Ireland, Ireland, Ireland, the island.
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Let's do it. I care to Georgia and then parentheses and Steven. My girlfriend is a long time murderino
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She told me about your minisodes And encouraged me to send in this story About the craziest shit that ever happened to me
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And hey why not listen Whatever you do what you want You do what you want Now why would he do that
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I went to college In Dublin Ireland One week a classmate asked If I played soccer and invited me along
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To his once a week kick around With some friends There was a core group of about 15 or so guys, and I became a regular playing with them.
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Among the group was a short bearded Sicilian guy called Severio. He was good at soccer, quiet, never yelled or got too angry, never lost his temper when he got fouled.
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You get the impression he was a little bottled up, but on the whole seemed like a nice, polite guy.
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The weekly games were organized via a big email chain with everyone's CC. One week, there were a lot of emails in the chain and a link to a news article.
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Most of the time, these emails were meaningless, so I just skimmed through and marked them as read.
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Later that day, though, I ran into my classmate and he said, did you read the article?
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I hadn't. He walked over to the nearest computer in the lab and opened it up for me.
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The headline read, Italian lodger charged with murdering Dublin landlord right next to a photo of Severio.
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So Severio lived with this guy who was a member of a notorious organization in Ireland.
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They were a right wing Catholic activist group who campaigned on the wrong side of history on issues such as abortion rights, gay rights, same sex marriage.
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And they even dabbled in some climate change denying. So the night before, Severio and this guy were playing a game of chess at two in the morning.
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Why play chess so late? No one really knows. But this whole story is so fucking crazy that that's not even the weirdest thing.
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An argument broke out between the two of them about whether a move was legal and Severio lost it, stabbing his landlord four or five times with a kitchen knife and eating what he believed to be his heart.
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But it turned out to be his lungs. Yeah. Severio called the police on himself and confessed to the murder.
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The cops that came to the house first were so traumatized they were put on indefinite paid leave afterward.
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Oh, my God. Ireland is a small country, about 5 million people, and murders are rare.
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A modern case of cannibalism has never been seen here before. Local police had no experience with it, so investigators with some expertise were brought in from a neighboring county.
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It turned out Severio had schizophrenia and had been taking off his medication two days earlier.
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He thought his landlord had come to embody evil and that by killing him and eating his heart that he could end the evil in the world.
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The weirdest thing, though, was how well our little soccer group adjusted to finding out one of our ranks was a cannibal.
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It was like it was so preposterous, so outrageous that our brains couldn't register it.
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It was surprisingly easy to be, quote unquote, lighthearted about it. Weirdly, I think if he'd just and just as in quotes, just murdered someone, we would have been way more shocked.
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But with all these bizarre details, it passed into the surreal and it was easier to come to terms with.
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Or you did not come to terms with anything, friend. Go into full straight up Irish denial.
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Don't even kid yourself. It's called trauma. You are pushing it down. It's going to come back up.
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Last I'd heard, Severio had been found not guilty by reason of insanity and was in a mental hospital.
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Stay sexy and don't play chess with a cannibal, Patrick. Wow. Oh, it's just sad all around.
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Yeah, that's so heavy. And also, it's that thing. It makes me think of, you know, we've all seen, like, say, A Beautiful Mind movies where you can see the inside of the experience of like a mental illness, a delusion like that.
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Yeah. Where actually in it, he's he actually thinks he's helping people. Yeah, as soon as I had all these comments in my head, and then when it came to the fact that he had been diagnosed with schizophrenia, it's like, oh, okay, this is a completely different thing.
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Yeah, and I think it's completely inaccurate to call that person. I mean, he technically cannibalized the victim, yet it wasn't a practice.
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You know what I mean? It was an explosion. Yes, and it was extension of his mental illness.
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Right. It was almost like this story. Wow. It's just, yeah, wild. Okay. I promised you this one last week.
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So here is abandoned underwater locales, accidental deaths, and bonus sinkhole horror.
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There you go. Hello, ladies. Hope this bullshit year hasn't been too stressful on you.
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Thank you. I'm from Twin Falls, Idaho, which is built right on the Snake River Canyon.
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While the river is beautiful, there are a series of lakes in the canyon system that are less well known,
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one of which is Durkies Lake, and they spelled out how to say Durkies for me, which I really appreciate.
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Very nice. Which legend says was not always a lake, but used to be an old dairy farm.
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At some point, the area was flooded and is now a popular swimming, fishing, and cliff jumping location.
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Some of the other lakes in the area are a bit harder to get to and are colloquially just known as the hidden lakes and are also popular for cliff jumping Unfortunately because these lakes are harder to get to anyone who is injured cliff
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jumping at these lakes is less likely to receive medical care in time. One of my high school
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friends was at these lakes and warned a boy that he was on one of the more dangerous jumps. He
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scoffed at her several minutes later after my friend had left and was back to the road and
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ambulance went past her. The boy had hit a rock on the way down and died. Another boy from my
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parents' church hit his head jumping last year at a different lake and drowned. Several years ago,
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the city finally installed a road all the way to the most popular lake in order to reach it quicker.
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Finally, a family in a different Idaho city had a sinkhole occur near their house, which caused a
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partial collapse in the basement. This revealed that their house had been built over a snake den.
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No. What? The family later said that they had heard slithering in the walls over time and that their water.
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Are you ready for this? Had tasted like the snakes smelled. No. Can I tell you that if I had read this to Vince, he would have divorced me immediately.
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That's it. It's a snake pit. And it tasted their water tasted. And you've been drinking snake water.
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Which I would think is probably good for you. They could probably bottle and sell that shit.
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I mean. What do you think it's good? Viral. Good for your skin? Virility? Virility.
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Colloquially. Good for your skin. This is the most fucked up thing. How is this possible?
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I hate its guts. SSBGM. Oh, sorry. And shout out to my sister who introduced me to your podcast and hates me for seeing you live in Manchester last year.
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Leah. Leah's sister. Sorry, you were there first. OK, also snakes and walls like you would think you were going insane.
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Yeah. Yeah. Slithering. You just like to hear that because it almost probably smells, sounds, smells like sounds like like bugs or water or something.
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or the devil i mean i don't like this at all should i take that one out no no no it's amazing
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i mean like fucking a because also when you buy a house it gets inspected like yeah there's guys
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that come and look at every single goddamn inch of your house but it wasn't their sinkhole it was
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like a sinkhole nearby that caused it so like but but the pit was under and among their house
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Every house is built on top of something, right? But snakes, like, come on! No house in the room on top of snakes!
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I know, it's terrible. Someone do something! Someone make that illegal! Please! Fuck!
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Uh-huh. All right. I know. Blech! Uh-huh. That's not even your last one. No! Send your stuff found in walls stories or snake pit stories.
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everyone. What was your house built over that made you have a nervous breakdown? Black mold?
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Would you rather, would you rather have your house be built on a snake pit or a black mold pit?
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W-Y-R. I would pick black mold all day long. A black mold pit though, that's different.
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Ew. You fall into it, it's all soft and you're like, wait, this isn't so bad. And then the spores
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begin to take over. My water tasted like this. My water tasted like snakes. I'm so thirsty. Hold on. Let me
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just stand here. And why is my hair so shiny lately? I love that you think snakes
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would have this great effect on you. You know how they use snail slime for facials and stuff?
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It's the same concept to me. And sometimes they'll put, you have to eat the rattle of the rattlesnake
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and it'll make you all, you know, like in some like mezcals or shit, tequila. Oh, sure, yeah.
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And it's supposed to make you like get a boner or whatever, right? You're making that. I'm not,
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I swear. If you're out there and you're an esthetician or a urologist, will you let us know
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how good snakes are for your face or genitalia? Yeah, god damn it. Sorry. i'll never stop thinking about snake water no why is it always chaos when we link up because
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Hi, friends. I didn't know my dad's father very well. He passed away when I was still quite young, and I remember him only as a quietly imposing figure who sat in his leather armchair in the corner of his hoarder's paradise of a house.
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A chronic shopaholic, his home was always filled with ridiculous treasures from the department store floor sale, and his grandchildren always received many impersonal but weird and wonderful gifts.
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For Christmas and birthdays. Love it. Love it. I had this same, my Aunt Dorothy, who was not an actual relative, but she was friend of the family, had a gift room at her house.
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She couldn't not buy anything that wasn't on sale. And when we were building the house that my family lives in now in Petaluma, we had to live with my Aunt Jean.
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And Aunt Dorothy would be there all the time. and so on holidays we would come out of our rooms and go to the front room and aunt dorothy would
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have like a gift for me and a gift for laura and and so one time i watched laura open up this it
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was a necklace that was from easily from like 1978 it was like that really thick gold and it
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came down into like a v diamond shape and then a matching yeah and a matching no no no it was not
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night. It was very corny and cheesy looking. And then I just had $20. I could easily become that person, especially with vintage stuff, because I'll go find like a set of
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incredible 60s, like drinking glasses that I don't fucking need, but I hate to leave them behind. It's
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only $10. You know, I have to stop myself from doing that. I mean, that is the thing of thrifting
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is I can't, this is a true treasure. I can't just leave it here. And it's only $10. Like,
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yes, I have, I have a garage filled with like Fire King bowls and dishes and plates. And I'm
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like, this is the cutest coffee cup or whatever. Can I come shopping at your house? I miss
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store shopping so much. Can I just go to your house and do it? Oh, yeah. Set up a little store
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down there for you Right now it all still in boxes from when I moved I working on it working on it Oh okay Sorry I in the middle of an email I knew vaguely that in his youth he been a navigator in the Royal Australian Air Force
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during World War II. Shortly after that, he had graduated from Sydney University and became a
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well-respected doctor in Sydney. That was the sum total of my knowledge until a recent Google
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of my uncommon family name turned up a surprising newspaper article from 1946. Google your name, everyone.
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Yeah, get in there. On December 15th of that year, the Sunday Mail reported that three medical students were about to spend their university vacation in a pretty unique way, attempting to cross the 600 mile stony desert in central Australia on foot.
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Oh, no. Among them was my grandfather, then age 22, who was putting his skills as a navigator to use, plotting the course across the desert.
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This desert is notorious for having beaten Captain Charles Sturt, who had attempted to cross it 100 years earlier.
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Unfortunately, I've been entirely unable to find any other articles from the end of their trip.
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In fact, the only other article I found mentioning my grandfather was from a few years later,
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when at the age of 30, he apparently got extremely drunk and decided to drive home anyway.
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According to the paper, the car, quote unquote, got out of control. it's the passive voice clearly he's not responsible overturned three times and plunged 40 feet off an
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embankment the car was wrecked my grandfather on the other hand came away uninjured and was fined
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15 pounds guys don't even when it's old timey don't drink and drive don't in the past drink
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and drive that's and also he drove over a 40-foot cliff and walked away unharmed insane i can't this
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Okay. While I don't have any evidence that the desert crossing was actually completed, I like to imagine that only such an experience would allow a man to drive his car off a 40-foot cliff and live to deal with the resulting fine.
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Stay sexy and don't drive drunk, Beck. Good one, Beck. Wow. Love it. Grandpas. All right.
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My final one. Grandpas. What will they do next? Oh, my God. Tell us by sending us an email about it.
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All right. Okay. The last one's called Hometown Story. Hi, MFM fam. I'd like to tell you the story of my aunt's seemingly haunted house.
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When I was in elementary school, my aunt lived in Minnesota. If there's snakes in this house, I'm going to get so mad at you.
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There's no snakes in the story. Next time there's snakes in the story, let's do trigger warning, right?
00:29:44
Snake trigger warning, where you just go, are you ready for this story? Yeah, exactly.
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When I was in elementary school, my aunt lived in Minnesota in a town of about 17,000 people.
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Her house was on a nice corner lot near a park, and my younger sister and I loved to visit and spend weekends with her.
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As I got into my early teens, I started to become more in tune with my sixth sense and felt uncomfortable going anywhere in the house other than the new addition of the sunroom.
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I even slept in there instead of the spare room when I visited. I just had this weird feeling when I spent too much time in any other room like someone was watching me Well it turns out I wasn completely wrong about that feeling My aunt moved into a new house right before I started high school which didn seem too weird Everybody moves until I
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heard why. While hanging out with her at her new house, I asked why she decided to leave.
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And she proceeded to tell me that while she loved the supernatural, the house was just too haunted
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for her. And then it says, excuse me, what? Lights would turn on and off. She would see
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hair whipping around a corner as if someone was running and hear footsteps in the attic.
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Okay, so cool. My creepy feeling was right. Great. I had always assumed this was the whole story.
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But then a few years later, I was left stunned when I learned the truth. When I was in high school, circa 2010-ish, we were having Thanksgiving with aunts and uncles,
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and someone cracked a joke towards my aunt about someone living in an attic. I didn't get it, so I didn't laugh.
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Feeling dumb, I asked what was so funny about that. Well, it turns out my aunt's ex-husband was unknowingly living in the attic of her old house.
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No. What's worse, he had installed cameras all over her house and was essentially watching her and our every move while stowing away.
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So yes, my feeling of being watched in every room of that house, minus the sunroom where there were no cameras found, was valid.
00:31:40
Genius. More valid than I could have ever imagined. Obviously, the adults decided to keep this story from my sister and I until we were older.
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And honestly, probably would have preferred to keep it from us forever. As far as I know, my aunt's ex-husband is still in prison and my aunt still swears that the old house was haunted by ghosts, not just her ex-husband.
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lady she is now enjoying life with her cats in a non-haunted house and has neighbors that always
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keep an eye out nice right thank you for bearing with me during this long story ssdgm taylor
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taylor that was a great story and a horrifying story and you do have a sixth sense that like had
00:32:19
to be somewhat not satisfying obviously you now have proof that your instincts are razor sharp
00:32:26
that you are very smart in almost a ESP style way. I would have so much more self-confidence after learning that,
00:32:36
even as disturbing as that story is. This story is about how you are a badass. I would insist that everyone around you start calling you Vanguard,
00:32:44
if I were you. Just based on this alone. I don't know. I think you're the true Vanguard, turns out.
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How could it be? like that's my unbelievable nightmare because you i've had those feelings before that is some
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what if someone is video like has a secret hidden camera because you can put those in a fucking pen
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now it's like they're so tiny yes they're everywhere and then you admonish yourself
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for being so paranoid but wait now would you would you rather w y r old snakes or
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Or some fucking creep in the attic Obviously snakes With cameras Snakes below Total creep above Camera snakes I still think I still think I think No Yeah I still don want those snakes though I still don want a snake pit and snake water
00:33:37
You want them more than mold. I promise. Yeah. The water is the problem here, unless it's like an esthetician is going to tell us incredibly
00:33:45
good. So good for your kidneys. Snake venom. Drink it. Drink it and become young again.
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Good luck. here come the lawsuits allegedly allegedly allegedly allegedly we are not doctors
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we are not doctors we are not ichthyologists that's right send us the craziest thing that's ever happened to you
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please if it's anything like Taylor's story or any of these stories great batch people are really honing in on
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what we love to hear and writing it really well too I feel like so good yeah good job thank you thanks for listening too you don't have to write if you just want to listen
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and don't want to write anything in don't feel pressure that's fine you can but please definitely
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don't be like patrick and don't listen and still write in i'm still mad at patrick
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his typical irishman just does whatever the fuck that's our only rule but it rambles right up and tells us a story that everybody loves so much
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Episode Highlights

  • 2026 Nissan Rogue: Built for All of It
    The 2026 Nissan Rogue boasts impressive features like all-wheel drive and turbo torque.
    “Rogue doesn't mess around.”
    @ 00m 23s
    November 23, 2020
  • Hero Bread: Protein-Packed Goodness
    Hero Bread offers up to 19 grams of protein and fewer calories than traditional options.
    “Think bagels and elbow noodles with nearly twice the protein.”
    @ 00m 58s
    November 23, 2020
  • Jennifer Kuhn's Tragic Abduction
    The heartbreaking story of a young woman's abduction and the activism it inspired.
    “Through his grief, he's trying to keep other people's children safe.”
    @ 10m 54s
    November 23, 2020
  • The Disturbing Tale of Severio
    A soccer player's shocking story of a cannibalistic murder by a teammate.
    “Stay sexy and don't play chess with a cannibal.”
    @ 16m 05s
    November 23, 2020
  • Emotional Narration
    Ray Porter shares how narrating Project Hail Mary brought him to tears.
    “I caught myself getting that frog in my throat and starting to get teary.”
    @ 23m 46s
    November 23, 2020
  • Haunted House Revelation
    A listener reveals her aunt's house was haunted, but the real shock is who was living there.
    “My aunt's ex-husband was unknowingly living in the attic of her old house.”
    @ 31m 21s
    November 23, 2020
  • Creepy Instincts Confirmed
    The storyteller's feelings of being watched were validated by a shocking family secret.
    “My feeling of being watched in every room of that house... was valid.”
    @ 31m 40s
    November 23, 2020

Episode Quotes

  • That's so disturbing.
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  • What a great concept.
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  • Stay sexy and don't play chess with a cannibal.
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  • Yeah, god damn it.
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  • Stay sexy and don't drive drunk, Beck.
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  • Good luck, here come the lawsuits.
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Key Moments

  • Chaos of Friendship00:05
  • Turbo Torque00:19
  • Cannibalism Confession14:38
  • Snake Pit Horror18:46
  • Emotional Decision23:46
  • Haunted House29:33
  • Creepy Instincts31:40
  • Final Thoughts34:54

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