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Default terms at mintmobile.com. My favorite heart What's up, Boston? The early show didn't stand up.
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Yeah! like a late show one girl in the front row stood up by herself it was so sweet and then she turned around
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and saw that no one else was standing up and she sat down it was the best I felt it
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it was the best strongest ovation from the loneliest it's my greatest fear to stand up in front of people
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who I assume are standing and actually are sitting and staring at my ass. That's probably in the top three.
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Uh-huh. What are the other ones? Of course, Moths in a Box and just everything that's happening today.
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But other than that, we're all together. That's what's important, aren't we? Yes.
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We are. Yes. Oh, the late show. Yes, late show vibes. As we were walking up the stairs, Vince is walking us to the stage,
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and he goes, now remember, they've been drinking since five. Yes. That's right. So have we.
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I mean, look, I couldn't stay on the wagon for too long. 17 years is quite some time.
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Stop shaking me. This is one of our best new bits. Let's see. Talked about that.
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Yeah, we did that already. That guy. Oh, some of you may have been here, but the first show, at the end of the show, we had a wedding proposal of marriage.
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A wedding proposal of marriage. Yeah, it wasn't just any wedding proposal, it was of marriage.
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Of marriage one. And not only that, if you follow the My Favorite Murder Out of Context Twitter feed,
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it's the people that run that. It's that couple. We brought them up, said thanks so much for doing that.
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They told us the story behind it. So cute. They dated in high school. Then they broke up and led their lives.
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Then they met again. and I was like, I wonder which one's going to propose and then I
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she was shaking so much I realized it was her and was going to do it I was like, you don't shake that much and not know
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what's about to fucking happen and then she said since I'm broke and pulled a ring
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pop out of her pocket so cute I almost gave her one of mine but it probably costs less
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than the ring pop did That's not insulting to Vince, because we went and bought it together.
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It's not? Oh, it's not? Not the good one. The one that was like, I guess I need a wedding ring?
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After we got married? Everything about that gesture sucks. I know. It didn't mean it that way.
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But there it is. But there it was But there it was Laying on the floor with the rug that we brought from home Oh this is my favorite murder by the way
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It's a podcast. Thanks. Thank you. That's Karen Kilgareth. This is Georgia Hardstart.
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Stop shaking me. Stop shaking me. This is so dumb. We were in New York all week.
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We saw one completely naked man in front of our hotel yesterday. Just one. Just the one.
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Thankfully, just one sighting. Thankfully, it was only him. And that's good luck, I think, when you see one.
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In L.A., it's if you see Angeline, that lady in the pink car. That's good luck. And then in New York, just a fully nude man at night on the sidewalk.
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in front of the door to your hotel that you're about to have to walk through. Good luck!
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Good luck, goodbye. Yes. That happened. That really happened to us. And I flashed you.
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If you were here for the show before this, you'll know that I walked out of the elevator
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knowing Karen was going to be waiting for me so I could give her her bag. And at that moment, I was like,
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you know what I'm going to do? I don't have sleeves on my dress. Pulled it down so my tits were out
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and just walked out of the elevator. at um what was it midnight on a at a saturday today's saturday on a friday night
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midnight friday night new york city hotel and georgia rolls the fucking dice and comes out
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topless anyone could have been standing next to me either way it's a great story no i mean
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could have even been a better story if there was just a just a group of businessmen standing
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standing there talking about the fucking Dow Jones Industrial Average. And then, whoa.
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But I was like, bet on red. And then I was right. And then also, can you bet on red in the Dow Jones Industrial Average?
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Probably, yes. I think it's green and purple and pink and red. And then you just bet.
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And then you make friends. For me, visually, it was shocking. Not because Georgia was topless,
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because she's done that fun trick to me several times. It's surprise nakedness. I highly recommend it as a joke.
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Also, she makes her eyes go like three times wider than I've ever seen them. So there's lots to look at.
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It's like, what's this? How are you doing that? What's happening? It's the embodiment of surprise.
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But also that little dress you have, it's like a sundress with an elastic at the top.
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And she just had it right underneath her tips. So it's kind of like how you do an office shoulder.
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if you have your choice, you're like, I don't know, I'll go off their shoulders.
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She's just like, I'm going to go down here today. I'm just going to make it like...
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Surprise, I'm naked. Sometimes we have to make our own fun. It's my bit. We do have to do hallway bits.
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It's good. Stephen's not here. Stephen's not here, everybody. I know. He's taking care of my cats.
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that's how what your coach he's taking care of my cat no stop it stop shaking me
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he's doing a great job lots of photos yes he always does such a good he dedicates himself to
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the taking care of your cats i think he's figured out and he got a new app or something because now
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he's got a photo of them and then it and then hearts appear around it. And like a little song comes on if I hit
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the loud thing on, which I never do. I thought you were going to say that he had cat ears
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and like a cat face on the cats. That would be cute. It's a cat face app for cats.
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You love cats so much. Put an extra cat face on them. It'll be great. Yeah. Is that the end of that anecdote?
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That's the one. That really wasn't anything. It wasn't. Guys, let's show. It's late.
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You don't get the strongest anecdotes, but... That guy has an I'm an Elvis shirt on.
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You have an I'm an Elvis shirt on, don't you? And a Mimi. I'm a Mimi shirt. Oh, my God.
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She did the brave thing and stood right up. She has lotion on her hands, by the way, and it feels really good.
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That's why I'm touching her so much. also because we're working at our new Cirque du Soleil act
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where we just weirdly pull each other to the side as the opening of the show we just did a show
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and then we do the meet and greet after where it's a hundred people it's lots of hugging and smiling
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and it's really lovely and then both of us go back we're not old ladies and yet both of us go back to the green room
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and just do these stretches because both of our back hurts really my hips this time
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my plantar fascis have you dried this hip thing? it's real sad it's very there's a lot of grunting and groaning and it's not like this is um
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sports strenuous or any anything at all hard there's five minutes of standing and then there's
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an hour of sitting and we're like oh how do we get through another night no one's ever thrown
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their back out from hugging people before and yet we had a girl in the meet and great who said
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she was went really fast she was like great great to meet and she was walking away and she goes
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my psychic italian grandmother knows who killed john bonnet as she walked away yep yes and karen's like get fucking back here right now and she goes karen goes she's psychic
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and she goes she a psychic nutritionist and then fucking walked away a psychic nutritionist I can tell you ate fucking whatever for breakfast Right She like stop with the carbs already You don have to be a psychic
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You really. That's a bit of a scam, psychic nutritionist. That's true. I don't know.
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It feels like you're eating a ton of carbs. I don't know why. I feel like you eat chocolate and cry in hotel beds.
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I don't know. It seems like you lay down all the time. Erin. I feel like you ate McDonald's in a New York hotel room.
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Oh, no, sorry. I just burped. I'm so sorry. That was me. You're not psychic. I have.
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I'm repeating. Should we sit down? Yes. Thank you. Tonight's table was brought to you in miniature.
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No, we haven't grown in size. The table has shrunk. This is a magic show. It is.
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I wonder if they used this when they were here for the recent Price is Right live.
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Did you guys know that was a fucking thing? I mean, I know that Price is Right is live to begin with.
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Right, live to tape. Live to tape. I've been. It's so much fucking fun, and I hate everything.
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And it was like, Drew Carey was amazing and a dream. It was lovely. And you didn't get to run on down.
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Fuck no. You have to be like fun and excited. you have to be like it's 6 in the fucking morning
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and they interview you and you have to be like I'm a dancing you know a poet for my job
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right exactly I'm so excited to be here and I'm just not what would your say I'll be the announcer
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probably Don Pardo I can't remember who it is and then you do the camera's gonna go
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like this and then and well the next contestant on the price is right come on down
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Georgia Hartstark sorry I'm so sorry I'm sorry. No, it should be you. It should be you. You should go. Go for me. Go for me.
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I'm the director. Cut, cut, cut. Go again. We're going to take that again with someone else.
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Okay, now you do it and I'll do my reaction. And the next contestant on the Brides of the
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right as Karen Kilgariff. Come on down. I would straight up deny. I would never be there in the
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first place. This is a late show. Yeah, it is. Thank you. This is also a true crime comedy podcast
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before we get started. Thank you. Yeah, that's right. So, you know. We always like to run that down for people.
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Yeah, some people don't know. It's true crime. There's people who are brought to this show by other people
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against their will and against their better judgment. Someone in the meet and greet line,
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they were like three people who were like so happy and hugging us. And there's one woman who's just like, I guess.
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And the girl goes, this is my aunt. She thought she was coming to a murder mystery show.
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She thought we were going to solve the murders at the end of the show. How did they lie to her?
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And I was kind of looking at her. I was like, sorry. And she was like, eh. Can't win them all.
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I mean, it kind of is. It's like a mystery how this is happening. We had a girl in the, this is my favorite moment happening in my brain.
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the meet and greet in New York. There was a girl who was a, we call them drag-alongs.
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She was a drag-along. We've never called them that before. But I love it. You know, drag-alongs,
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that thing we say all the time and have t-shirts of. So the drag-along was like,
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it was that thing where she was like, I brought her, it's my birthday or whatever.
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And I turned to her and I was like, did you have fun? She was like, it was all right.
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It's like, all right, well, okay. And then she starts explaining how this friend of hers is so obsessed
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that every time they get into the car, she makes them listen to the podcast. And she goes, and I'm like sitting in the car
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like, why do we got to listen to talking? And she's fucking right. She's right. Don't make your friends listen to talking.
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You're supposed to do it with your friend. And then when they're not there, do it with your other friends.
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Are you first this time? Are you ready to listen to some talking? Good. Good. Good.
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You're first this time. I was first last time. Oh, I didn't do the full explanation.
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Sometimes if people aren't used to this setup, you know, murder is obviously a terrible thing.
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It's very dark and it's very tragic. And we're not laughing at the fact that people kill other people.
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And now I'm going to do the legend of Lizzie Borden. Why aren't you going first?
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How the fuck am I supposed to follow that? We'll do it fast. Let me go first. I only have one photo.
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We can see it at the end. I can't follow that. What if it's a piece of shit? It's not.
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No? No. I don't want to change the rules. No, don't change it. That's weird. All right.
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Steven comes out. I'm sorry. Steven comes out with a clipboard and a whistle. No, you cannot change it.
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You've been very inaccurate about the order for years. Please don't change it. Okay.
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You go. You go. You go. Yeah, I'm going. Go, go, go, go, go. you're right I'm going to
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Lizzie Andrew Borden that's not true was born on July 19th 1860 in Fall River Massachusetts
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Fall River is it pronounced Fall River Revere I think it's Fall Revere when that one came up I was like
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I fucking got this. First fall and then river. There's no extra E-H's at the end or anything.
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So their father grew up kind of poor modestly, but he worked very hard throughout his life.
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Eventually becomes, he's the director of textile mills. He's a commercial landlord. He does very
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well for himself. At the time of his death, he was worth $300,000, which today is worth
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how much? More than $300,000. That's right. Over $8 million. What? Shit, money bags?
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The Bordens were rich bitches up on the hill. Fuck. Yeah. But Andrew, the father, I'm going
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call him Andy, was a cheap bastard. He, even though families of means of the day, all
00:21:45
had electricity and indoor plumbing. Basics. As we call them. Andy was like, we don't need that.
00:21:53
We can go with that. No, you can't. Try it once, and then you're like, yeah, we need this.
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Flush the toilet one time in your life, and you're like, wow. They're all, wow, this is
00:22:05
incredible. I can't go without this. poor lizzie's out in the outhouse with a candle i really hate my life
00:22:13
um she has an older sister named emma and they're raised uh very religious and um lizzie belongs to
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lots of fun clubs like the endeavor society of women's christian temperance union
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why fucking do not party at all that's the whole point of it they don't spike that holy water no
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ever. Nah. Is that a thing? No. Spiking holy water? Yeah, it should be. Well, you just go like this with it,
00:22:42
so, unless you spike it with fucking acid. Then you're like, oh my god, Jesus is my boyfriend.
00:22:51
I love him so much. You're gonna go see Dave Matthews with my boyfriend, Jesus. Finally!
00:23:04
So, no. Okay. When she's three years old, Lizzie and Emma's mom dies. Or I should say just Lizzie's mom dies.
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Her father remarries a woman named Abby Frey. Lizzie and her sister never call Abby mom or mother.
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They call her Mrs. Borden. Because they hate her fucking guts. Even at three years old or I guess older?
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Well, I guess as they grew up. Once they learned how to give shade. They were like, oh, I know how to be very lightly rude to you all day every day for the rest of your life.
00:23:42
Wow. We're going to keep it formal. They both believe that Abby only married their father for his money, so they're not into it.
00:23:51
Okay, so we're going to cut to, it's the end of July, 1892. Okay. Lizzie is an unmarried 32-year-old Sunday school teacher.
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who, don't forget, belongs to the Women's Christian Union Temperance Union. Right, those crazy ladies.
00:24:05
Why marry when you got your bitches such a way? They don't fucking care. Oh, can we pull up the first picture?
00:24:12
I'm not sure. Oh, yeah, so here's their home. Home. Millionaires. It's very boxy.
00:24:21
And then on the left, there's the outhouse. It's just a huge, one huge pit on the other side of that door.
00:24:30
cool okay looks bleak oh and then I think would you go to the next picture too because I think we've got
00:24:39
there she is there's our star she 100% looks like a character that a hilarious chick from Saturday Night Live would play
00:24:49
you know what's her name? Kate McKinnon you know why? because Kate McKinnon when she's being super funny
00:24:57
she just does crazy eyes like that Yeah. But Lizzie had them all the time, apparently.
00:25:03
Look at those close-cropped curl bangs that she's... Is that a thing? Those took some work.
00:25:10
Do I need to do that now? Yeah, you should do a part straight up the middle. Every time we do old stories,
00:25:16
and I see the women's hairstyles from, like, long ago, it makes me panic, like, I have to have that hair right now.
00:25:23
Because that shit where you have to wrap braids up around your head like fucking Heidi and walk around...
00:25:28
I mean, I would have... It's horrifying to think. What about the ones like the Jane Austen time
00:25:36
where you had to do braid hoops? They're like big Mary J. Blige earrings, but braids?
00:25:43
Who pulls that off? Nobody. Not this Irish face. Instagram models. What if the Jane Austen look came back?
00:25:51
Then the Instagram models can have it. That's right. And they can keep it. And they can give it.
00:25:56
I do like a nice high collar, though. High tight bodice? Just right up to... To choke you.
00:26:04
Just right up to the chin. It's hot. Okay. Sometimes nudity is hot, and then sometimes covering your entire body is also hot.
00:26:17
Trying to wear a unitard dress. It's all that will do. Okay. So Lizzie is living in her father's house
00:26:25
as a Sunday school teacher, 32 years old, unmarried. Nothing wrong with it. No, no.
00:26:31
But back then they called her a haggard spinster. Oh, did they? No, I just call her that.
00:26:42
Okay. Okay, you can take that picture down of Lizzie. It's scaring us. It's a bit haunting.
00:26:49
She's like the entire time. It's intense. People in the audience are like, She's got my eyes.
00:26:55
She's looking right at me. Okay. So a couple weeks before the time I'm about to talk about.
00:27:06
I don't know how I phrased that on the page. Lizzie and her sister get into a fight with their parents, their dad and stepmom,
00:27:13
because they find out that the dad is giving huge amounts of real estate to Abby's family.
00:27:18
Don't do that. So they're pissed. Okay. Okay. So then a couple days after this big family fight, the whole household is taken violently ill, including their Irish maid, Maggie Sullivan.
00:27:32
And so Abby fears that somebody may have tried to poison them because she knows that no one likes her husband, including his daughters, and probably their Irish maid, most likely.
00:27:43
Sounds great. Sounds like a healthy, fun place to hang out. It's a fun house with no electricity or toilets.
00:27:49
Or alcohol. Fighting, stress. Yeah, no fucking alcohol. I'm sure tons of Bibles.
00:27:56
Okay, so everybody recovers, and they recover just in time for their uncle John Morris to visit.
00:28:04
They think he was there to discuss the property transfer issue. Okay, so it's August 4th, 1892.
00:28:11
Okay. And so that morning after breakfast, Andrew and Uncle John, they're in the sitting room,
00:28:21
and John decides he's going to go head into town and buy a pair of oxen. He's just like, I'll be right back.
00:28:28
I have to go pick up a couple oxen. I forgot. I'm going to go to the bodega real quick.
00:28:35
And just grab two huge oxen and bring them back. Anyone want any Chobani? to you in there.
00:28:43
And he takes cookies? Yeah. Or just the oxen. Okay. He's also going to go visit another niece in Fall River.
00:28:52
So he says he's going to be back at noon. And Andrew goes for a morning walk. This is around 9 a.m.
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Lizzie and Emma are supposed to clean John's guest room because that's one of their chores.
00:29:04
They have chores. They're 32 and 34. And have so much fucking money. They have a ton of money no one will actually let them touch, and they have to pee in a field.
00:29:17
Still, go make the bed. So Emma's gone away to visit friends, and Lizzie's not anywhere to be found,
00:29:24
so Abby goes up to clean that guest room sometime between 9 and 10.30 a.m. And as she's changing the pillowcases, she is struck on the side of the head just above the ear with a hatchet,
00:29:36
causing her to fall face down on the ground. and then she's struck with that hatchet 18 more times on the back of the head,
00:29:45
killing her, it says at the end of the sentence. Turns out it killed her. Was it the 17th?
00:29:52
It was the 17th. Somewhere around 12 is what I heard. Shit man It all theory That is what we here at Law Order call overkill That right There a personal issue here There a rage issue here
00:30:06
Okay, but they don't know any of that yet because this is before police work was invented.
00:30:11
Okay. Andrew gets back from his walk, but he goes to open the front door with his front door key.
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It won't work, so he knocks. The Irish maid, Maggie, comes down. She tries to unlock the door.
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She finds that it's jammed. And then she claims that she heard Lizzie laughing on the stairs.
00:30:31
But she looks around and she doesn't see her there. Where's page three? There it is.
00:30:39
Fuck. Why is page three after page four? Steven! Steven! He has nothing to do with him.
00:30:47
It's actually probably Vince's fault. No. Okay, so according to Lizzie, she had been out in the barn looking for, as we all do, you know, during the day when you're a lady walking around, looking for a piece of iron.
00:31:02
Okay. I feel like that got lost in translation in the past hundred years or so. Like it made sense then?
00:31:08
Yes. At the time, she said something specific that made sense and people were like, oh, good, good, good.
00:31:13
Right. Now it's just like, what? She was out touching pitchforks. Like looking for a piece of iron back then was like an innuendo for like, it was changing my, you know, say it tampon.
00:31:27
Yeah. Did they have, they didn't have those. No. It was changing the cumbersome fucking diaper I had to wear when I got my period, essentially.
00:31:36
I was out in the red tent. Yeah. Okay, so she's out looking for iron. you know your morning ritual
00:31:49
I can't wake up without my iron so when she comes back into the house she tells her father that Abby
00:31:59
the stepmother had gotten a note from a sick friend and so she left the house to go
00:32:03
call on that friend and then she helps her father, this is what she tells police later, that she
00:32:09
brings her father over to the couch and helps him pull off his boots and get settled on the couch
00:32:15
because he's going to take a nap. Okay, so then she tells Maggie that there's a sale at the department store
00:32:22
and why doesn't she go check it out? And Maggie, who probably makes 11 cents a week,
00:32:28
is like, why don't you go fuck yourself, actually? Because I have to go scrub shit.
00:32:32
In an Irish accent. Hey, why don't you go fuck yourself? Thank you. Something like that?
00:32:39
Thank you, thank you. Jesus! Lizzie Barton telling me to go shopping. Grandma? My grandma!
00:32:52
Grandma came. I was just possessed by my psychic grandma. Okay. Maggie's like, I actually still don't feel bad from when we all got poisoned last week,
00:33:03
so I'm going to go take a nap. And she goes up to her third floor, looked like an attic room,
00:33:10
and she goes and takes a nap. so she's resting and um she then hears lizzie screaming from downstairs maggie come quick
00:33:19
father's dead somebody came in and killed him yeah yeah you say it all like that at once when
00:33:25
something like that let me hear it yell it maggie come quick the father's dead you know somebody
00:33:30
came in the front door it was jammed earlier but then we got it open remember that we were sick
00:33:34
last week we all we weren't poisoned though but we were all sick remember anyway somebody came in
00:33:40
a stranger from not from Fall River. Probably from another town. Come quick. My father died.
00:33:48
Thank you. You know there's a movie of this coming out. There's a movie coming out with Chloe
00:33:53
Sevigny, I believe. I love her. It looks good. She can be creepy. Yes, she can. She can do that stare.
00:34:03
Fuck yes, she can. Oh, yeah. It's already out. Is it out? There's a theater critic
00:34:09
We have to leave this show and go watch it. Immediately. Okay. So Maggie comes down.
00:34:18
She finds Andrew is slumped on the couch. And he has 11 hatchet wounds to the face.
00:34:27
Into his face. Right in the old face. 11. That's 10 in a row. And then one for good measure.
00:34:35
Shit. Ouch. That's some anger. I'm not going to put up the picture. If you are a Georgia, then you're going to look the picture up after the show.
00:34:44
I was already thinking about how I need to study that photo. It's not good, but here's what's interesting.
00:34:51
It looks like a man laying on a couch who's tried to be funny and just put a bunch of hamburger on his face.
00:34:57
That's essentially what it looks like. Well, I'm not showing it to you, so you can't be mad.
00:35:02
I'm just painting a picture with words, and that's what I do. For a living. Okay.
00:35:13
Now here's what's interesting. When you look at that picture, that crime scene photo,
00:35:17
you will see that Andrew Borden has his boots on. So things aren't adding up. Get your story straight, Lizzie.
00:35:25
Yeah. That's really your name. Don't. Lizzie Andrew. Lizzie Andrew, get in here and get that story straight.
00:35:34
Okay, so there's details. His nose was cut off entirely. You'd think so with 11 hits.
00:35:44
Yeah. So obviously there was even more screaming after the fact. And then Maggie runs to get a doctor, sadly and ironically.
00:35:56
Now the neighbors who of course have heard intense blood screams begin to gather at the house which is what everybody used to love to do at crime scenes back in the day
00:36:05
Just come in, start walking around. So Lizzie goes out, and she starts telling all of them
00:36:11
that Abby was out sick, visiting a sick friend. She basically starts explaining shit to everybody
00:36:17
as her father is laying on the couch dead. She also mentions how the family had been poisoned the week before,
00:36:24
or that she thought their milk was poisoned, how they'd all gotten sick at the same time.
00:36:29
So Maggie finally brings the police back, and they immediately suspect Lizzie. And this is a thing that has happened a lot.
00:36:40
She's not acting like a daughter whose father has just been murdered with a hatchet.
00:36:45
She's very calm and cold and poised. But maybe she was like that all the time. The other problem is that her story changes with every police person that she talks to.
00:36:59
So first she says she was walking into the house, and then she heard a noise. But then the next person she talks to, she says she came in, she didn't hear anything,
00:37:07
and everything was normal until she found her father. When she's asked where Abby is, she tells the police that she's gone to visit the sick friend.
00:37:16
But then the next time she's asked, she changes her story, and she says, oh, I think she's actually upstairs.
00:37:22
Could somebody go look? Can you finally go find her? I'm sick of putting on this charade.
00:37:27
Yes. So somebody else, could you go look for the person I know for a fact is alive upstairs?
00:37:32
So Maggie and a neighbor lady start to walk upstairs. Don't do it. And they get halfway up the stairs, and when they get eye level with the ground,
00:37:40
they can see into the guest room, and they see Abby laying dead in a pool of blood.
00:37:45
So there was probably more screaming there. now what's weird is even though they suspect her
00:37:52
the police do not check Lizzie's clothes or hands for blood and she tells them that she needs to go lay down
00:38:01
so they can only kind of glance into her room she won't let them into her room at all
00:38:06
to look around and they're like alright I guess that's just how it is so they do search
00:38:16
the rest of the house. And in the basement, they find two hatchets, two axes, and then a third
00:38:23
hatchet head with a broken handle. They think the broken one might be the murder weapon because it
00:38:29
looks like someone tried to add dust and dirt to the blade. So try to kind of cover it up.
00:38:35
But still, they take nothing from the house. There's no evidence. They're just like,
00:38:40
okay, I'm going to take a picture with my mind. Got it. Dirty hatchet. All right.
00:38:45
See you guys later. At one point, one of the officers sees Lizzie and her friend Alice Russell,
00:38:54
who lives in the neighborhood, go into the cellar together. And they both leave the cellar, but then Lizzie goes into the house by herself,
00:39:01
and he thinks he sees her washing something. She's like bent over the sink, washing something.
00:39:07
He doesn't ask. He doesn't look. They all leave. He's like, hey, I'm an MYOB in this situation.
00:39:15
Two days later, the police, they begin a more thorough investigation. They just had to take a breather and think things through, really take some time for themselves.
00:39:25
So they start looking at all the clothing, and they inspect the hatchets, and they tell Lizzie she is now officially a suspect.
00:39:34
And at some point after this, Alice comes back over to the house, and she finds Lizzie, and Lizzie is in the backyard burning a dress.
00:39:45
and when she, right? Yeah. So she asked Lizzie what's going on, and Lizzie says, oh, I got some paint on this dress,
00:39:52
so I can't wear it anymore. So I'm just going to be cool about it and burn it down.
00:39:57
I'm just going to burn it down. Stare, stare, stare. I'm Chloe Sevigny. So Alice gets the creeps and leaves.
00:40:08
So on August 8th, they take Lizzie in. The police take Lizzie in for questioning.
00:40:15
I don't know. They could have come to her house. I'm not sure if they had a police station or what the setup was.
00:40:20
They go somewhere. They take her in conceptually. I don't know where. She asked for attorney.
00:40:28
They refused. I guess they could do that back then. All the rules were different.
00:40:33
It was totally opposite ear. And at one point she freaks out so bad that they have to give her a shot of morphine.
00:40:42
Fun. So as you would imagine, that affects her testimony when they begin to question her.
00:40:49
She can't really track what she's saying, and she's contradicting herself, and she's a little erratic, maybe kind of sleepy.
00:40:58
She says she was on the stairs. Then she says she never went up the stairs. She says she took her father's boots off.
00:41:04
They show her the crime scene photo where his boots are on. And eventually the investigators discover that the day before the murders,
00:41:14
Lizzie had tried to buy something called prussic acid, otherwise known as cyanide, at the drugstore in town.
00:41:22
But the clerk told her that she needed a prescription for it. My doctor says I need this.
00:41:30
Oh, my bones. it was either back then it was either if you had an illness or an uh ailment of any kind you either
00:41:39
got cyanide or cocaine those were your two choices sometimes you'd get them together and
00:41:45
have a fucking party speedball okay so there's a trial on august 11th uh a warrant is served
00:41:54
lizzie arrested for the murder of her parents um five days before the trial begins but I find this to be so fascinating I didn know this before Five days before the trial begins
00:42:06
there's another axe murder in the area. What? Yes. And that suspect goes to trial and is convicted,
00:42:14
but the police say that the man was not in the Falls River area at the time of the Borden double murder.
00:42:22
Did I say Falls? Fall. Sorry. It's very late. So they say he's not around. But I just think that's the most...
00:42:31
What is bizarre coincidence? Copycat. Yeah. No. I don't know. Okay, so Lizzie Borden's trial begins June of 1893.
00:42:42
Of course it's a media sensation. They compare it now to, like, it was like the OJ trial of the day.
00:42:48
It's all anybody talked about. There were reporters in this tiny town from New York, from Boston,
00:42:54
all these people packing the courtroom and so the prosecution just brings the facts
00:43:00
here's the broken hatchet head that was found in the basement Alice Russell gets up, testifies about Lizzie burning the dress
00:43:08
there's different all the places Lizzie said she was are brought up, all her conflicting stories
00:43:17
but Lizzie maintains that she was in the barn at the time of the attacks A witness named Hyman Lubinsky, he says...
00:43:29
I mean, what can we do? It was the past. He says he saw Lizzie leave the barn at 11.03 a.m.,
00:43:44
and Charles the Gardener confirms it. I guess he doesn't have a last name. at 11 10 Lizzie called to Maggie downstairs
00:43:55
or upstairs saying that her father had been killed so they're trying to put the timeline together of where she actually was
00:44:02
and there was a lot of dramatics in the courtroom of course and at one point when it is revealed that Abby and Andrew's
00:44:10
heads were removed for the autopsy Lizzie faints dead away in the courtroom All together, the trial lasts two weeks, which is actually really short.
00:44:21
And then when the jury goes out, they're only out for one and a half hours. And then they come back with the verdict and they find Lizzie Borden not guilty.
00:44:34
She's acquitted of this crime. It seems like a lot of people don't know that. But the jury found her not guilty.
00:44:42
so when she was leaving the courthouse she told the press I'm the happiest woman in the world
00:44:49
I'm the happiest woman in the world can't you tell? I'm smiling now what's crazy is
00:45:00
because of the wonderful children's rhyme that we all learned and the legend Lizzie remained the prime suspect
00:45:08
in everyone's mind basically to this day and she's been memorialized basically as an axe murderer.
00:45:16
Why do people believe so strongly that she did it? There's lots of theories and there was lots of kind of good reasoning.
00:45:22
First of all, it's all the personal elements of the murders. A hatchet to the face, to the head.
00:45:31
It's obviously somebody that had a lot of rage and wanted revenge or the attack was personal, theorizing.
00:45:37
So obviously she could have done it for the money. She used to inherit a ton of money from her father.
00:45:43
And clearly, if he was parsing out the millions to his new wife, then that meant her inheritance was getting smaller.
00:45:51
There was also a theory she was being physically and sexually abused by her father,
00:45:55
which would then track with the viciousness of the attack. There was also a rumor that Lizzie was having a tryst with Maggie, the Irish maid.
00:46:06
That's right. And because of that, Andrew and Abby or one or the other were witness to that,
00:46:13
and they had to get rid of the witnesses. But none of those are proven to be true.
00:46:19
That's just all theory and or gossip around the town. So the Borden sisters get their inheritance because Lizzie's acquitted.
00:46:28
And after the trial, they buy a huge modern house in the Hill neighborhood of Fall River.
00:46:35
And they name it Fuck You, Dad. Jesus. Fuck You, Dad Manor. They hire a full staff.
00:46:43
Wow. They just live large up in their manor house. Lizzie begins calling herself Lizbeth,
00:46:50
like a college sophomore that goes to France for one semester. But everyone's in town's like,
00:46:58
you're fucking Lizzie Borden and you killed your father with 40 whacks of an axe,
00:47:02
so get the fuck out of here. Oh, my God. So she's ostracized by society. And then in 1905, her and her sister Emma get into a fight,
00:47:13
and Emma moves out of their mansion on the hill, and the sisters never see each other again.
00:47:18
Aww. Yeah. So Lizzie Borden died of pneumonia on June 1, 1927, at the age of 74,
00:47:26
and only a couple people attended her funeral. Her sister Emma died nine days later.
00:47:32
Aww. Yeah, isn't that sad? They're buried next to each other now in Oak Grove Cemetery.
00:47:37
And that is the legend of Lizzie Borden. Sam! Sam! For more accurate information, you can also watch the Christina Ricci series that was on.
00:47:54
That's pretty good. Christina Ricci has a really creepy, like, stare and forehead face.
00:48:00
As well. She works that. She can work that costume. Sure, that part down the middle thing.
00:48:05
That's someone who can work the part down the middle. That's right. Okay, that was incredible.
00:48:09
Great job. Thanks so much. Thank you so much. Do you not think she did it? Like, I kind of don't care, but...
00:48:19
I like the rhyme. I think it would make sense. It seems like it was such an oppressive household.
00:48:26
To have a father that has millions of dollars and won't get fucking electricity.
00:48:31
Just as someone who's... My father would not buy us Atari when we were growing up.
00:48:36
And we weren't poor. He just wouldn't do it on principle. And then finally one Christmas, he got us a used Pong machine.
00:48:45
Which is an Atari, kids. No. Pong is like caveman Atari. Pong is just tennis. It's lines.
00:48:53
It's like two L's playing a game against each other. It was so long after. That one, right?
00:49:01
Yeah. Yeah. And we were just like, why? Like, what did we ever do to you? So imagine electricity.
00:49:09
Imagine. Knowing how mad I was about the pong, this seems like it's very, very possible.
00:49:15
And also just there's things about it, like the fact that everybody got sick. I think maybe she was trying out a couple things and maybe that fight.
00:49:23
There was just things building. I also think back then women just didn't, it was like she didn't get married.
00:49:30
You know, she was a Sunday school teacher. Just all of her life was really oppressive, obviously very dedicated to the family.
00:49:36
So it's just like she went off and she just snapped, it seems like. Maybe. Or maybe she's just a victim because she just doesn't react to anything.
00:49:46
And people hate that. Yeah. Well, and that's our take. That's the part of the podcast called, and that's our take.
00:49:52
Our take is, we don't know. Our take is, I'm sure someone wrote a great book that's going to explain exactly why it's one way or the other, but I didn't read it.
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00:52:18
Whoa! You know I love a fucking crazy ass hijacking story. Hell yeah. Alright. Okay.
00:52:28
Clear it. Here we go. Warm up that instrument. So, let me just give you an overview.
00:52:38
Please do. A history. When the government started to oversee aviation in 1958, hijacking wasn't a crime yet.
00:52:47
And the early airports were designed in a way that made it so you could just go on in and bring whatever you want on board.
00:52:54
You just walked right through onto the tarmac, get onto the plane. You didn't even fucking buy a ticket.
00:52:58
You didn't have to put your cigarette out. No. They were like, please smoke on the plane.
00:53:02
It helps it rise up in the air. Wait, what do you mean you didn't buy a ticket? You get on the, it's like a train.
00:53:08
You get on the plane, and then they're like, tickets, tickets, and you pay for your ticket from your fucking seat, I swear.
00:53:14
Are you serious? I swear I read this. I don't know. It's true on the internet. It's true on the internet.
00:53:20
Isn't that insane? Yeah, that's so crazy. So the stewardess, they were called at the time, which is a fucking outdated term, we all know.
00:53:31
Good catch. You just think you. So you would just go, and they'd give you a ticket.
00:53:35
No ID, nothing like that. You just paid for your ticket, and they were like, great.
00:53:38
And hijacking wasn't considered a serious threat by the airlines or the passengers.
00:53:43
So it started happening and it was almost like a prank. It was basically like when the dude who would, like the streaker who would run on the fucking field,
00:53:51
it was like, that guy, you're slowing the game down. Stop it. But you funny Stop it So it would just be people who wanted to go places and they would hijack the plane and just be like take me to Cuba was a normal thing and they would take them there and everything would be fine
00:54:05
Who were from? Two. Really? Where from? Wherever. I don't know, anywhere. It was kind of seen as an inconvenience more than anything else.
00:54:14
They would be like, oh, great, we're going to Cuba. Okay. Honey, we got hijacked.
00:54:20
I'm going to be like three hours late. Exactly. and there was actually an Italian American dude
00:54:25
who hijacked a plane from Los Angeles he made them take him to Rome when he arrived he was hailed as a hero
00:54:32
by all the Italians they refused to extradite him because they were like this fucking guy
00:54:37
and he was also incredibly hot so they fucking cast him in a spaghetti western like that's how hijacking was
00:54:44
yes so it wasn't no one gave a shit Is that Clint Eastwood? Is that how Clint Eastwood got his start?
00:54:55
There's a 99% invisible podcast episode about hijacking that talks about this stuff.
00:55:02
Eventually, the hijackers start to become more like classic kidnappers, demanding ransom.
00:55:08
So they were like, we better do something about this. So in 1968, the FAA created an anti-hijacking task force to come up with solutions
00:55:17
because the airlines were like, we don't want to spend all this money. It's going to cost so much money to check people
00:55:22
and make sure they're hijackers or not. So let's all think of a better solution.
00:55:26
And they were like, hey, the public, feel free to fucking throw in your suggestions as well.
00:55:31
Oh, really? They were like, we want to hear it. They took calls? They took calls.
00:55:35
They came up with shit like, what if we do a fake airport that we pretend is Cuba,
00:55:41
but it's really here in Florida, and then we arrest them when they get off. They're like, too expensive.
00:55:46
Perfect. Then someone was like, how about an ejector seat for the hijackers? Yes.
00:55:51
Not fucking kidding. Or a seat where you get a shot of morphing comes up and shoots the hijacker with sleeping pills and shit.
00:56:00
These were all the ideas from a fifth grade classroom? That's right. Spider-Man.
00:56:07
How about Spider-Man comes in? Okay, so then none of those worked. Yeah, they didn't.
00:56:14
So one flight was hijacked in 1969, and this is how not seriously people took it.
00:56:22
In 1969, it was hijacked from Newark to Miami. And there's an episode of Radiolab that talks about this.
00:56:31
The host of the show Candid Camera, you guys know that popular show, Alan Funt, was on board with his family.
00:56:38
The plane gets legit hijacked, and when the passengers see Alan Funt, They're like, oh, you can't get us.
00:56:46
And they're like, this is a prank show. And even when the hijackers come out of the cockpit, they all applaud him for being an actor.
00:56:54
They're like, you can't. And Alan Fun's like, I swear to fucking God, this is not a prank.
00:56:59
He's the only, him and his wife and kid are the only ones who know it's not a prank.
00:57:03
And the hijackers. Okay, first of all, how fucking hilariously frustrating for those hijackers.
00:57:09
Where they're like, you'll get everybody to get down. And they're like, fuck you.
00:57:12
You can't fool me. I recognize you. It's a great episode of radio called Smile My Ass.
00:57:19
It's really funny. That's so good. That's right. And so it wasn't until the plane actually landed in Havana instead of Florida.
00:57:28
And the fucking plane is surrounded by Cuban military officers that people finally believed it was.
00:57:33
Which is like, if something like that is happening, I want to believe it's a joke until it's not anymore.
00:57:37
You know what I mean? Like, what a great way. Yes. Like, you mean like when we were flying here today and the plane just went like this real quick.
00:57:44
It went. And I was fucking studying this when that happened. I couldn't tell you that.
00:57:53
I couldn't let you know. I was like, yeah, it was scary because I'm studying hijacking right now.
00:57:58
Oh, that's all. It was, it was scary, but it was scary in that way where I went like,
00:58:03
everybody went like that. And then, but then it was just completely normal as if it didn't happen.
00:58:07
and then I was just like, please don't have a panic attack. I was begging my brain, just stay in this mode right now
00:58:13
and just don't think about how that felt. Well, what I do every time, and I'm sure everyone else does,
00:58:18
is look at the flight attendant. Is she cool? She's cool. She's cool. Okay, if she's going like this, then I'm going to have a panic attack.
00:58:26
She's still getting cups and stuff. Yeah, she did not miss a beat. She was just like, whatever.
00:58:32
Yeah, get these assholes out up here. So this is what hijackings were like and that's how things stood on March 17, 1970
00:58:44
St. Patrick's Day, your favorite holiday everyone here Boston So that's when March 17, 1970, when the first death caused by air piracy
00:58:57
in US history took place in Massachusetts airspace So here we are Okay, so 7.30 p.m., Eastern Airlines flight bound for Boston from Newark, New Jersey, takes off with 68 passengers.
00:59:14
Newark. I have to burp. Excuse me. Shit. Edit that out of your brains, please. So it's 68 passengers and five crew members are aboard.
00:59:28
Everything is totally normal until shortly after takeoff, they're passing over Franklin and when about 30 miles south of Logan Airport, when the flight attendant comes around to collect the ticket money.
00:59:43
You want to buy a ticket for this plane you're already on? Yeah, exactly. What happens when you're like, I don't have any money?
00:59:48
Well, then you better go smoke in the bathroom, I guess. she gets to a man named John J DeVivo He tells the flight attendant that he doesn have any money for the ticket
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Wow. How long ago? In 70? I don't have today's money, how much that is, but I'm sure it's not the $700 it would cost today.
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That's what I was going to say. Huh? I started saying $700. Oh, my God. Hi. Hey.
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he says i don't have the money and asks to speak to the pilot and then pulls out a 38 caliber
01:00:27
revolver dang he so john de vivo is a 27 year old who lived with his family in new jersey
01:00:34
when he was 16 years old 11 years before he had shot himself in the head in a suicide attempt
01:00:41
he survived but the bullet remained lodged in his skull and as a result his behavior had become
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more and more erratic over time. I bet. That's what fucking happens. Eventually, leading up to this hijacking 11 years later,
01:00:58
and he boarded the plane wearing a chain necklace with a skull and bones amulet on it.
01:01:05
Cool. Which I'm sure half the people here are wearing. But back then, it was fucking weird.
01:01:12
The flight attendant brings this guy, John DeVivo, to the cockpit, which was being manned by Captain John Robert Wilbur Jr.
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He's 35 years old. He's an Air Force pilot who had only been promoted to captain six months prior.
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And he is with his co-pilot, First Officer James Hartley, who's 30. Captain Wilbur calmly says to the flight attendant,
01:01:36
okay, please let all the passengers know everything is fine and nothing is wrong.
01:01:41
Put on your flight attendant face. Yes. And so she goes back. and then the captain and his co-pilot,
01:01:47
they expect DeVivo to demand to be taken to Cuba because that was where everyone wanted to go at the time
01:01:53
when they hijacked a plane. But instead, DeVivo tells the captain to fly east until they run out of gas.
01:02:01
That's a bad fucking plan. No, it's bad. They were like, great, we'll do it. But after about 15 minutes, the captain told him
01:02:10
that they'd crash into the Atlantic if they didn't return to Boston for fuel. because they had been on their final approach for landing at the moment,
01:02:17
so they didn't have a lot of gas, fuel, gas. I'm sure it's just unleaded, right?
01:02:23
Yeah. So DeVivo, he says okay to the refueling trip, but as soon as the plane starts to turn, he gets spooked somehow,
01:02:34
and he abruptly shoots Officer Hartley in the chest. Oh, shit. And shoots Captain Wilbur twice, one in each arm.
01:02:42
I know. No. It's bananas. Those are his steering arms. I know. Crucial to flying a plane.
01:02:49
That's right. Officer Hartley collapses, but despite being, he's the one who got shot in the chest,
01:02:58
despite being mortally wounded, he fucking recovers enough to rip the gun from DeVivo's hand,
01:03:05
fucking shoots him three times. Sorry, this is a lot of gunfire for a plane that's still flying.
01:03:13
It's still in the air. And then he lapses into unconsciousness and dies. Oh, shit.
01:03:20
How have we never heard about this? I mean, what a way to go out, too. You're just like, fuck you.
01:03:25
He fucking, yes. He, um, DeVivo is wounded. He slumps between the seats, but he's able to fucking, this is like a magic plan.
01:03:34
He's able to fucking revive himself. He starts, he doesn't have his gun anymore, but he starts clawing at Captain Wilbur,
01:03:39
attempting to grab the fucking steering wheel and force it to crash. fucking this okay cut let's take a break for a second yes please deep breath everyone meanwhile
01:03:49
does anyone want a snack a cigarette how about a cigarette snacks snacks oh yes meanwhile back
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in the plane this this passenger peggy mclaughlin she's a 19 year old boston college student at the
01:04:03
time. Yeah. So she's not fucking around. She says that they were only dimly aware of the life or
01:04:13
death battle going on in the cabin, that the passengers didn't even know what was going on.
01:04:16
They heard a commotion. Uh, someone said it sounded like a, uh, like a, what's it like a fake gun?
01:04:23
Pop gun. Sure. Cap gun. A cap gun. Thank you. Um, they didn't know what was going on. They didn't
01:04:29
realize they were in the midst of attempted hijacking until the shots rang out. And when
01:04:34
they heard that, some people dove from their seats to the floor and they realized the flight
01:04:39
had veered off course because they found themselves flying over the back bay. Peggy thought they
01:04:45
were going to land in the harbor, so she fucking starts taking her boots off, like ready to
01:04:49
fucking swim. Always ready, that Peggy. That's right. And you know there's probably some
01:04:54
hot, sexy 1970s boots, too. That's right. And then she's like, I might as well change into my suit
01:04:59
while we're doing this. It's basically, yeah. So meanwhile, let's go back to the cockpit.
01:05:07
So Wilbur, Captain Wilbur, he's fighting with fucking DeVivo. He grabs the gun that had fallen to the ground,
01:05:17
hits DeVivo over the fucking head with it, subduing him, beats him with a pistol
01:05:21
while continuing to fly the fucking plane. And those are bullet arms, right? Those are fucking, both of his arms are shot.
01:05:31
Then Captain Wilbur radios the tower and says, my co-pilot is shot. Where the hell do you want me to put this thing?
01:05:40
So hot. So hot, so hard. He doesn't even mention that he's shot at all. He, he, so now DeVivo is unconscious
01:05:54
and despite being shot in both fucking arms bleeding badly Captain Wilbur is able to right the plane because it had plunged during the struggle And then safely and smoothly lands the fucking aircraft
01:06:10
They can't do that sometimes when we're just coming into LAX. Yeah, and everything is fine.
01:06:15
Smoothly at Logan. He fucking lands that thing. Yes, he does. Bananas. The entire event took place only 10 to 15 miles away from Logan International Airport
01:06:30
at an altitude between 3,000 and 5,000 feet. That's nothing. No, it is not. Once the plane's safety on the ground, if Vivo was arrested and charged with murder,
01:06:40
he's sent to Bridgewater State Hospital for mental evaluation. You can cheer for Bridgewater State Hospital.
01:06:51
We have a whole group from there tonight. Nice, great. Welcome. He's taken for a mental evaluation,
01:06:58
but basically they're like, fuck this shit, and he's taken to Suffolk County Jail at Charles Street.
01:07:03
And no trial would take place, though, because on Halloween 1970, while awaiting trial for air piracy and murder,
01:07:13
DeVivo hangs himself in a cell. Peggy McLaughlin, our 19-year-old booted girl...
01:07:20
Please tell me she marries the captain. Oh, no, that would be so cute. Dang it. Oh, shit.
01:07:25
We'll make it that way in the movie. Yeah. She's played by Chloe Sevigny. Yay. She becomes a librarian and a yoga instructor.
01:07:35
Amazing. And she doesn't fucking talk about this for decades. Like, it was a time period where they were like, you good?
01:07:43
Great. You don't need therapy. The end. Goodbye. That's it. Don't talk about it ever again.
01:07:47
Best if you don't tell anyone. Right. Yeah. She said one time the FBI stopped by after to ask her questions about it,
01:07:54
and then she never fucking spoke about it again until when Captain Sully landed the boat.
01:08:01
Not a boat. It turned into a boat. But at first it was a plane and it landed in the Hudson.
01:08:07
And then she's like, you know what? I have a story to fucking tell, too. Oh, you like landing planes in an emergency?
01:08:13
In water? I got a story. Great. But she says that the memory had never left her.
01:08:19
Of course. So James Hartley and Captain Wilbur were proclaimed heroes, and on March 24, 1970, the U.S. Senate passed a resolution
01:08:29
that commended them both for their, quote, extraordinary heroism and competence.
01:08:34
Now retired Captain Robert Wilbur, the captain says, the captain, Captain Robert Wilbur, the captain, I wrote.
01:08:42
He says he doesn't think about it that often. But Peggy eventually wrote a letter to him
01:08:48
thanking him for saving her life. And then they fell in love? No. Captain Wilbur insisted that he was just doing his job
01:08:58
and that James Hartley was the hero. And that, you guys, is the Eastern Airlines hijacking a flight 1320.
01:09:06
That was amazing. How crazy is that? It was amazing. It's like, isn't that long?
01:09:23
I just hate when I find out how many things I don't know. I know. There's just so many things in that story where I'm like, wait, what?
01:09:30
What? That's crazy. Like a train, you just get on and then you pay while you're on the plane?
01:09:35
Stupid. 1570. there was on a plane the plane that we flew out here on they i went into the bathroom and they had
01:09:42
a um an ashtray in the door it's so scary when that happens it's so scary you're like how
01:09:47
fucking old is this right it happens it's a we go on a lot of planes and you the majority of them
01:09:54
still have ashtrays yeah and that we're here tonight to petition we need to start cycling
01:09:59
those fucking things out for that to stop or let's just start smoking on planes again
01:10:03
but I don't want to yeah it's terrifying it's insane do we have time for a hometown?
01:10:08
I think we do actually thank you let me pick my various undergarments out of the places
01:10:19
they're not supposed to be ooh standing up all right Karen has some rules I have some tally
01:10:23
and I think it's really important that you listen to me right now because there are people
01:10:27
I say this part and people do not listen they don't and then they get picked and then they do a thing that I ask them not to do
01:10:35
and everyone in the room doesn't like them because of that and it's not good. So listen to what I'm telling you right now.
01:10:43
When we do hometown murders and we're in the city, we like it when it's a local story.
01:10:48
The state is fine. The state is good. Local's good. We love accents. We want to hear something from what happened around here.
01:10:56
That'd be great. Also, of course, I think you guys know this, it's good if you're not so drunk.
01:11:00
You can't follow your own line of logic. Those are like the top two rules. It's pretty important.
01:11:06
It's very nerve-wracking to be up here. Once you get up here, there's like a, you think you're fine at first,
01:11:11
then this wave hits you, then your mind goes blank. You start remembering weird shit you did in high school.
01:11:15
There's a whole experience to it, so you might think you have it in the pocket. Just make sure.
01:11:21
It's good when your story has a beginning, a middle, and an end, for sure. Usually it's good when the end pays off.
01:11:28
It's like our last hometown was amazing because it had this awesome ending. so that's I always recommend that and then finally it's just remember everyone in the room hates you
01:11:38
because you got picked so make it quick all right and now George is going to pick you I think you
01:11:45
I want Karen to do it because I get you guys get this face and it hurts me in my soul and she can't
01:11:50
see anything you know I could you do it you look at them too much it's more of a psychic it's an
01:11:54
Italian psychic grandmother thing show me how you have to do show me how Could you bring the lights up a little bit if it's possible? We'll just look at them. You can't do it rich bitches in the balcony
01:12:07
Crazy Fucking fools Yeah Come on. Is it this way? Oh, yeah, Vince is right there. Yeah, walk over here
01:12:23
I mean, I like your spirit and everything. It's nice. Did you think you were just going to jump down?
01:12:35
The thing is, we called the balcony rich at the last show. So you just called the rich bitches.
01:12:40
Hi. What's your name? It's Vince. Thank you. Tabby. Come on. Hi, come here. What's your name?
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Hi, Tabby. Here's a microphone. This is Tabby, everybody. Hi, Tabby. Hi. Oh, look at all your players.
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01:13:04
Where are you from? New Bedford. Okay. Is that here? Nice. Check. Check. Okay. So this is like still an ongoing thing that's going on.
01:13:15
But this is the murder of shit. And she was the first person that was murdered this year in New Bedford.
01:13:25
Wow. Yeah. The case is still going, but on January 22nd, around 2am, she was found outside of her home,
01:13:36
screaming. She wasn dead yet Sorry And We not laughing about that about that part More nervousness and stuff like that She was stabbed multiple times
01:13:49
It actually ended up being over 49 times. Oh, God. By her neighbor. Because her neighbor didn't like how loud she played her music or her dog.
01:14:02
she had like a emotional support dog that was like small and yappy named Lolita and
01:14:08
it was too loud so he decided to stab her yeah super bad and they texted each other like days before
01:14:21
and they actually like used the texts as evidence and stuff and they talked about how like they were
01:14:27
going to beat her up and sick his like pitbulls apparently on her Oh. But both her and her dog were stabbed,
01:14:34
and she unfortunately did not make it, but her dog did survive. Okay. So, Valia lived.
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Tabby, everybody. Yay. Great job, great job. That way. Thank you. Oh, my God, you guys.
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