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That's Georgia Hardstar. That's Karen Kilgara. And that's Mimi. And Mimi's on my lap because she started screaming right when we started recording.
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Mimi has something to say this week, and I think we should just hear her out for once.
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Let's see if I can get her to talk. Mimi. Mimi. Tusha. Oh. Yeah. There she is. That cat.
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Loud with it. She says, Mimi, you're the greatest. Fuck puppies. That's what she's saying.
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Oh, I got to send you the video of the puppy just trying to play with Mimi. It's so cute.
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And did she eviscerate him emotionally? Completely. I bet. Emotionally and a good old wallop on the nose.
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I know. I know. How's it going? Good. Good. You got a good librarian, like sexy librarian look going today.
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Thank you. I'm trying to seduce you. I might as well say it. I didn't take a shower, and I pulled my hair back in a tight bun.
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That's what gets me. That's what you know. I mean business for you. You know that that's my type.
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I know that's your favorite. Unwashed. And unabashed. Wow. That's guaranteed to you.
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That's me in a nutshell. I think it was one of those days. Just one of those days.
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I keep cleaning out. I keep piece by piece cleaning out my garage, which I'm very, you've been doing this for a while.
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So your garage must be, I basically took all the boxes that were moved from my other house.
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Like, I think we were, I want to say we were on the road, but that can't be true.
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So my house was boxed up and moved to the new house. And so Stephen's like, yes, I can,
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I can confirm that happened to you. So yes, that's what happened. And so basically my entire garage
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was just filled entirely filled with boxes yeah so and i was fine with that even though i was like
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this is very symbolic don't just have a bunch of boxes of your old life downstairs that you're just
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letting sit there yeah and also i um let that's them sit there for like over nine months so i was
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like you clearly don't need anything that's down there throw it all away yeah throw it up but i did
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know there was a couple things i had to go through the boxes because there would be a couple things
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where I'm like, oh, thank God I didn't throw this away. One of which was my clodder ring,
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which was in my family, all the girls got, it's the Irish friendship ring where it's the two hands holding the heart.
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That's what it's called. Yeah, it's called the clodder ring. And all the girls in my family got them
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when they turned 16. And we were doing it in the 80s before it got really trendy, whatever.
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But mine, I liked it first. Mine, I had lost it and found it a couple times. It broke.
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There was like a whole drama behind it. And I'd finally found it again. So that was one of the I had to find that before I threw boxes away just entirely.
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Are you going to just throw boxes away? I mean, I wanted to because I was just like, it doesn't if I haven't missed it, then how important could it be Marie Kondo style?
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I wanted to be like that panic attack. But I am a hoarder. So that's I mean. But don't you think we all are in that way where you think I was sending you pictures of like, I literally have folders from when I was a camp counselor.
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Like, I remember I sent you that thing where it said look and listen. And I was like, look at this.
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Like there. I have stuff like that where it's like, sure, it means a lot to me, but it isn't make or break.
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It isn't crucial. Maybe it's just clothes to me because the amount of clothes I have and the difficulty I have giving them away is so.
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And it also I sure because as a kid I only got hand me downs And now I like and I gonna collect all the clothes Fuck you You know so it like and I yeah I have a thing about clothes well and i think sometimes i would there some shirts i remember having and i would kill to have more now i actually
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more i found my pat benatar concert shirt that i we used to wear in the like late 90s yeah it was
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just in one of those boxes where i was like i thought you were gone you know what vince got
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me can you tell vince you want something and he'll just casually go to his phone and you're like i
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know you're getting it for me so he got me sorry it's a dream but i know he got me the um acts of
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service and gifts are his love language um he got me the jane's addiction t-shirt i wore on my first
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day of high school with like my ripped shorts and my ripped fishnets dog collar yes i thought i was
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cool and i ditched the first day of high school to smoke because i was because i needed a cigarette
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I was fiending, you know, as a 14 year old. Yeah. So he got me the Ritual de la Habitual Jane's Addiction shirt.
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And it's nice. Yeah. Is that the one where it's kind of like a guy hanging up? It almost looks like crucifixion.
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No, it's a it's a lady. A very like beautiful, but like flower in her hair. Yeah, it's.
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Yeah, exactly. I never I didn't necessarily. I mean, I loved the hits. I will say that.
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but Jane's Addiction was always the guys that I had a crush on like Jane's Addiction
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like there was like skater boys that had the posters up they were so creepy to me and I knew
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that their song Ted Just Admit It was about Ted Bundy so I was like you know in the 90s as a 14 year
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old it was very sexy and stuff and now of course we're like ew fuck that shit well but that's how it was back then
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that was kind of the like if you wanted to be dangerous and hang out in graveyards and take edgy photos and graveyards and pretend you like
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john wayne gacy's art yeah garbage it's simply garbage and now we know everybody else was painting
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it for him i that's one of my favorite reveals modern reveals is like the other prisoners were
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painting it and johnny depp's paying seventy thousand dollars for so hilarious oh wait before
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we go any further have you heard and did you learn that the dilatov past the dilatov past mystery has
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been solved yeah allegedly solved most likely solved definitely solved probably yeah i didn't
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read the article i was just no matter what you said i was gonna devil's advocate the other
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direction but like it's not it's not true and i just did it for you but did you read the thing
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is it it's an avalanche right yeah it's really interesting yeah the guy who basically solved it
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was showed that an avalanche was possible because there were all these things of like
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well everything was still standing so it was like kind of a mini avalanche in a way or some light
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avalanche i don't know and like the hill low it was a short avalanche right short that's the word
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which doesn't make any fucking sense to me. I made it up. Oh, I think that was true, though.
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Is that what they called it? It was like something like a small, short avalanche.
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Shallow? Shallow. Something. One of these words. Yeah. And then they all, you know, escape, crawled away and died from various, you know, mostly hypothermia.
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It's just so sad. And it was like kind of obvious and still so tragic and like such a crazy mystery for so long.
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And that's it. But does that explain is the the parts where weren't there tongues missing and things like that?
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And was that because they were just left to the left to nature? Yeah, yeah, definitely.
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I mean, it's kind of obvious. And I think when I covered it, I think that's the conclusion we came to.
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but it was you know it was a cool mystery to unravel so I think that's just what happened but
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I think it's a pretty basic straightforward I still think anything's possible but at the same
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time aliens you know I just want to say they're out there I don't know if you watch ancient aliens
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but my mom does and she I sure do insists as ancient alien theorists suggest it's a lot of
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people have pointed this out to us which i kind of knew anyway because it's incredibly racist and
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um ridiculous where they're basically showing ancient cultures and going there's no way they
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could have done this where it's like why it doesn't make sense because people have been
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doing that kind of stuff for a hell of a long time have you and then you just point over to
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stonehenge did you ever see yeah stonehenge it's super old and then did you see the one the thing
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about like, you know, what's it called? Island with the big stone Easter Island.
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Easter Island. And they showed these just people today moving these huge blocks and how they would have
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done it with just rope. And that's it. Yeah. You know, and manpower. And it's like, it's not that hard.
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We don't actually need aliens. And at the same time, we're probably aliens to begin with.
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So, yes, aliens did it. But listen, nothing is real. It's all fucking fake. Here's what I like about the Easter Island story is that one of the theories, because I've seen the rope thing.
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And there's another one, which is that they cut down all the trees on the island and they made almost like a roller system.
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So they could get them down to the coastline or down to where they were. And basically the king or, you know, whoever was in charge.
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Sorry, I don't know. King might not be the right term. but whoever it was that was like
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it's my decision they kept demanding more and more of these statues and they cut down
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every tree practically on the island so that they could have them and then basically made it so that the life was like uninhabitable they didn have good nature stuff going on on the island They did it to themselves And this is why we need to have and we did join the Geneva Convention
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Is that it? This is why the Lorax is one of the more important books that Dr. Seuss ever wrote.
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You know what I'm reading right now? I'm reading the Tao of Pooh, of Winnie the Pooh.
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It's supposed to be epic. Oh, can I do a corrections corner? Sure. I'm correct. You mean about about the conversation we just had?
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Absolutely. The correction is edit all of that out. OK, it's not a correction, more of like a clarification that I when I talked last week about emotional support dogs, I kind of overlapped it with service dogs.
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which I want to be clear that service dogs are trained to perform functions for an owner that has that needs the help and emotional support.
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Animals are just, you know, companion of the owner and they're not allowed on flights anymore.
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Oh, really? Yeah. Or like they can't come on for free or whatever like that. you know, it has to, it's not allowed. But on Instagram, Riley Scott 413 made it clear saying
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great news. Emotional support dogs are allowed inside Cracker Barrel. And then said when I was
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a waitress there, we had a guy who would put his dog in a chair across from him and order him
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chicken and dumplings. I know. Who's the emotional support dogging who in that scenario?
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The chicken and dumplings. It's doing it for everybody. That would be, that's amazing.
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Well, yeah, that's actually very good. Discernment is important because service dogs are just like,
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I will help you with your epilepsy. I will know when a seizure is coming on. I can guide you across the street if you're visually impaired, whatever.
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I can bring you a beer when you can't get up to open the fridge because of your arthritis or whatever.
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Yeah, sure. You know, so I've seen that one. I've seen that video. Oh, God. The dog that goes and gets the beer. Epic. Epic.
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Here's a great story from the New York Post that the Brooklyn D.A. Eric Gonzalez dismisses 262 and I'm quoting prostitution related warrants stemming from prostitution charges, which his office no longer prosecutes.
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prosecutes. And I'm quoting from New York Post. Obviously, we say sex workers and they stretch
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back to 2012. However, Gonzalez says that there are 850 additional warrants that were issued
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between the 1970s and 2011 arising from prostitution charges, which will be vacated in the near future.
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Isn't that amazing? And they're saying that the Brooklyn DA does not pursue cases against people
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arrested for sex work, but instead refers them to services. And they need to be offered assistance, not criminally prosecuted.
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And the state legislature is moving to expunge all 25,000 plus prostitution related convictions
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in Brooklyn that date back to 1975, saying like, we want to make sure that instead of
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criminal penalties and jails, we're providing health care, mental health care services to
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get them and give them better options and also, you know, for health care. And we and generations of young people's lives are being destroyed when we could be helping
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them, said Senator. That's and that's from Senator Liz Kruger, who's working on introducing the new legislation.
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Incredible. Amazing. Yeah, that's great. That's New York State. That's Brooke. That's the Brooklyn District Attorney, Eric Gonzalez.
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Nice. So that's in Brooklyn, which is amazing. Epic and historic and a step in the right motherfucking direction.
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Yeah. Let's do that all over the goddamn country. Yeah, for real. Imagine services.
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Let's get back to some services for human beings. Yeah. I mean, even if it's like you want to stay working in sex work, which is totally acceptable,
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at least have some, you know, means of help or, you know, and they say, of course, that
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a lot of sex workers who experience abuse won't report it because they know they're going to get
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prosecuted, which is such a huge issue. Good news all around. A wonderful feel good story.
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Right. A feel good story from the New York Post. Hey, who knew? Hey, anything's possible.
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One of my favorite late night scrolls. They just have some really wacky articles. It's always fun.
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I finished Bridgerton. Thanks to you. What'd you think? Did you? I hate watched it for a couple seasons.
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Episodes? Huh? Episodes? Episodes. That's right. Time. Wait, you have secret seasons?
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Oh, yeah. Didn't I tell you? Time isn't linear. So I hopped forward to season eight.
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Wow. Unbelievable. This is an ancient alien situation. I watched it because you said that there was going to be some hot, raunchy Victorian sex.
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So I stuck with it. And you weren't wrong. And then I found myself enjoying it. So I kept watching it.
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And then I gasped out loud at the very ending and text you all excited about it.
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So I definitely recommend it. It's like a good, fun distraction watch. Right. Yes.
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Yeah, absolutely. But it's not a family watch. Absolutely not. Do not. No children.
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No parents in the room with you. No, absolutely not. There is a plot line in this show that is, to me, an old prude from the 80s.
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Shocking that it's the plot line. oh see i i must not be approved did you have that's a spoiler alert so you have to leave that
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out yeah yeah i did please take that out okay yeah like the whole thing but but in like a jane
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austen setting i was i kept going it got to be me i i i think i hearing this wrong literally looked it up on my phone because I was like this can actually be the plot OK but people who read the book already knew
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And that was in the book because the book is like a modern retelling of one of those kind of stories.
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I thought it was like I just thought it was some old that Shauna Rimes was just bringing back some old story I'd never heard.
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No, Shonda Rhimes is bringing Grey's Anatomy love into the fucking past, man. Yeah.
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Yeah. And our lovely Claire from Dairy Girls. Oh, she kills it. Just so happy to see her anytime.
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A delight, truly. Nicola Coughlin? Nicola Coughlin. Nicola Coughlin. Yeah, she's great.
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All right. So, yeah, I recommend that if you need an escape. It was helpful in my sanity in keeping it recently.
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If you need a private escape, I have one. I have a recommendation that came. I wrote a tweet the other night and in the tweet jokingly referenced The Witcher or Witcher.
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It might just be plain Witcher, but that's the Henry Cavill series that's kind of like, I don't know, spooky, D&D, whatever, fantasy almost.
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But I watched it and do enjoy it. But my friend Alex Reed, who's my old friend from stand up comedy in San Francisco, but he's also a very accomplished TV writer himself.
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And he wrote, if you like Witcher, you will love Britannia. And so I and I believe it's on Netflix.
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And I started watching it and it is so good. It's basically Britannia. Britannia.
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Britannica. It's just a shot of a bunch of encyclopedias. It's very soothing. No, Britannia, it's about the Romans invading Britannia. And the Celts and the Druids live there. And the Druids are this fascinating clan of people that used to live in England, in the English territories, whatever they were called.
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and they were kind of like witchy, but it's real. But they were like, they used to, they were said to have had telekinesis.
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They did magic. A lot of their magic was based in oak trees. It's this whole, I started reading about them because I was so fascinated
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because it's actually real. But basically the Romans came in and got rid of them all.
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And so they were kind of like, you know, the magic people. It's a really good series.
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Does it have like Lord of the Ring vibes? That's what I'm getting. It's like Lord of the Ring for real, though, because it's historically based.
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All right. Perhaps not exactly accurate, but based. Some liberties are taken. It's good.
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All right. So what's that called? Britannia. Britannia on Netflix. I have something to tell you that I've been really excited to tell you about.
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You know how I told you about. Oh, shit. What, Stephen, what was the Instagram? Cottagecore.
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Cottagecore. So remember I told you about cottagecore, all the like darling twee stuff and beekeeping that I was super into?
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Well, I found out recently that, you know, there's cleaning. That it was a scam?
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No, it's not. It was a pyramid scheme. It's real and I love it. And I put $10,000 into it and I feel like I'm going to get my return.
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I bought all these bees. I bought stocks in cottagecore and miniature and dollhouses.
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And I'm really feeling good about it. All right. Great. And if you want to join, you can be in my pyramid anyway.
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OK. There are cleaning influencers like I found out that there are people who like.
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Have our specialty cleaners of like house cleaning. And there's this one called it's a M a R.O.S.
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Cleaning. Amaross Cleaning. and she's like an influencer has like thousands and thousands of followers and like shows you her
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favorite like scrub daddy and here's how to clean this and here's the best way to vacuum this and
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this is my favorite this and this is my favorite cleaning thing of that and i'm obsessed and it's
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addictive well you know it's funny that it's funny you mentioned that because when i at christmas time
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when i went to make a bake a turkey breast for the first time i went and looked at my oven and
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it wasn't very clean. And I was like, I should clean this, but I don't know how, you know,
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how a lot of times you can switch it on your, your oven is like self cleaning. I'm like,
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I don't trust that. And it takes like a full day or whatever. And so I looked up, I basically
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looked up my kind of oven and how to clean it like quickly and easily. And there was a woman
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who was just like, it's, you need, you know, baking soda, white vinegar, this, this. Yep.
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And she and it really worked. It was like it took me 20 minutes. Well, there are people like, you know, there's like there's like workout influencers.
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What's it called? When you were, you know, and now, yeah, and there's cleaning influencers.
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I love it. Have you cleaned anything? Have you been influenced in any way by them?
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I have. I bought all the products she told me to get. And I've been binging power washing videos, too.
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So that's like that is one of my favorite things. Have you ever seen the ones in the buildings in New York City when they're doing it in Manhattan?
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And it's just guys up on what look like a window washing thingy. But instead, they're power washing the front of a building.
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So it's going from dark gray to beautiful marble white. Yes. The best. I watched one of like the tenant had lived in this apartment for 40 years and smoked three packs a day.
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And they went in there with a power washer. and the walls were fucking yellow. Yeah, I bet they were.
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Like piss yellow and they just power washed it and it was like, ugh, even the ceiling was just gross.
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Loved it. So good. And they they cleaned it all up. They fucking power washed. I mean, everybody loves a before and after. But with something like that, where you don't have to actually do the hard work of cleaning.
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Oh, yeah. But you still get the satisfaction of the of the before and after. Yes. There's nothing better. Nothing. It's so good.
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Because my hopefully my life will never get to the point where I'll have to have a satisfying power washing situation.
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So I'll just watch other people's. You don't know. I don't know because indoor smoking is it can be pretty sad.
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Can you imagine sitting in a New York apartment? So it's what does it cost? Four grand a month or some shit like so expensive.
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So like it's your it's like a smoke box. Yes, I used to do. You know what I'm saying?
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Can you imagine? I did it when I when I lived there like, you know, early 2010s, right?
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It was probably 2010 or 2011. And I moved there for a job I knew four people. So on the weekends, I would just pull this stool because it was this tiny kitchen.
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Yeah. I would put a pot of water on the stove and just keep it at a low boil. So there was just moisture in the air.
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And then I had the window open and I would wear a total coat because it was like wintertime.
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You had the window cracked probably. I'm like, that's enough. Window cracked. And then I would just smoke and blow it out the window and keep it so that like if any smoke went in the air, the moisture would just bring it back in.
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That's smart. So it wouldn't like get anything dirty. I've never heard of that. Yeah.
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And then I just fuck it. I just trolled Facebook. I couldn't get off Facebook. What did you smoke?
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I was just. Parliament. Self-rolled. Oh, that's right. Yeah. You know what you are?
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What? You are a fucking cigarette influencer. You're giving us tips and tricks. You're rolling your own and you're going to show us how and all the tools you love to use.
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Or just like, if you can't roll them yourself, here's what you do. And like, here's the filter I like to use sometimes.
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No filter. No filter. and then you got to crack your window this much otherwise it doesn't so yeah you're a cigarette
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influencer and then a true cigarette or cigarette influencer because then you can take a picture you
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can find a picture of my old teeth and i had to get them professionally replaced with fake teeth
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because my teeth became so yellow because smoking is disgusting and terrible for you and you
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shouldn't do it that's right but man it can be satisfying when you're all alone in the world in
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New York City. Oh, contemplative cigarette of like, this is what I'm doing tonight.
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Fuck you. And that's actually, I've told this story a thousand times, but that's
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when I got into podcasts. That's right. Because I would listen to Dave Anthony and Greg Barrett's podcast,
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Walking the Room. Yeah. And it was like getting to hang out with my friends and not getting to talk.
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And I loved it. It was the best. I love it. Oh, I have one more correction. Oh, okay. Cole Escola
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from Search Party, who I mentioned last week and adoring them. But I called them he and and his pronouns are they them. So I just want to make
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sure I got that clear. Update. Update. Pronouns update everybody. And I want to make sure I respect
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that and clear it up. Hey, if you don't know, it's not about respect because you didn't know.
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Right. So clearing it up, I think, is an important sign of respect. Absolutely. Absolutely. Good. And a good thing, just I it's it's a I'm working on the habit of
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just trying to default to they. Yes. Yes. But it's, again, I'm from the 80s. So it's a slight
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adjustment. Yeah. But yeah, it's usually the just your best bet. Totally. Totally. I was going to
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tell you about, oh, well, a couple, but we're still doing TV shows. I just stumbled on, remember
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when I told you about, there was a British show called Not Safe for Work that I loved. Yeah.
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And I think I made you watch at least one episode. I'm not sure. It's really good if you haven't seen it.
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Not Safe for Work is great. But then I also but I found this. This is basically like a deep cut because it's from I think it started in 2011.
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Wow. And it's called Fresh Meat. And it's these young and it's it's called Fresh Meat.
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It's an old show where all these people are young. It's an old show with young people.
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My two favorite things. and it's called Fresh Meat and they are all at uni and British at university.
00:28:24
Yeah. And they're all just roommates, you know, a ragtag group of roommates. And I
00:28:30
was binging it yesterday. It's good stuff if anyone's looking for it. I'm doing those deep
00:28:34
cut, the British show deep cuts. Did you? I hate to ask this because I feel like it's one of those
00:28:39
things where like your friend recommends something and you're like, can you leave me alone about it?
00:28:43
Did you watch the British Shameless? The original Shameless? Yes. Remember, we were talking about it.
00:28:49
Remember, you asked me what neighbor I would or what person I would be. Yeah. And I was the neighbor.
00:28:53
Yes. The British Shameless is amazing. I mean, we're still obsessed with it. It's like it's it's the fucking best show I've ever seen.
00:29:02
It's like one of my favorites. Now, did we discuss I want to know if that dad character is dying his hair?
00:29:10
Definitely. Or if he you think so? In the beginning, he looks like he has a wig, you were saying.
00:29:15
Right. Which I agree. But it doesn't later. He must have been like, had a role, had a different role for something else and had to wear a wig.
00:29:21
I do think he dyes it. But maybe like that's part of his character because his character is just a complete fuck up.
00:29:28
Yeah. His character, yeah, is like kind of a young guy, but then is living a hard life.
00:29:33
So it makes sense that he would have like kind of scraggly beard, scraggly face and then young guy hair.
00:29:38
Yeah. He's trying to look hip. It's a good show. I love it. And the young actor who's so James.
00:29:46
Who's so hot. James McAvoy. Yes. Thank you, Stephen. Good job, Stephen. Stephen.
00:29:56
His name is Stephen in it Is it yeah but he you know he ends up he and fiona the older spoiler no spoiler in real life got married and had a kid they fell in love
00:30:11
on the set of shameless and got married and had a kid and are now divorced that's okay
00:30:16
love story love love it love love stories um loving it should we do exactly right news
00:30:27
well i have one more recommendation sorry it's just no it's just um it's a podcast
00:30:33
i was i don't know what what i was doing but i was just kind of like going randomly through
00:30:39
um podcasts and it was like the ones that were related to the ones i'd already listened to yeah
00:30:44
I like that. And I stumbled upon a podcast that's like a kind of self-helpy. Oh, you sent it to me
00:30:50
and I listened to it. Yes. Yeah. It's called Unfuck Your Brain, but it's not by the person
00:30:56
who authored the book because I thought it would be and it's not. Yeah. And she and it seems like
00:31:01
the book came out and this podcast came out the same year. So it might totally be things a thing
00:31:06
that very much does happen in the world, which is just it's a coincidence. But this one is a
00:31:11
is a series by or sorry, this is a podcast by the host is a woman named Cara Lowenthal.
00:31:19
I hope I'm pronouncing that right. And it it started as a pod, like an advice podcast for
00:31:25
lawyers. Wow. Yeah, she's what she was. But then as it goes, she basically becomes like a life coach.
00:31:33
And it's basically just kind of like good advice on a bevy of different things. if you're looking for it's real short like it's I think each one is like a half an hour or less
00:31:45
yeah and it's she is such a good like writer and conceptual yes and it's like here is how
00:31:51
you sent me the one of how to get confidence and I listened to it 30 minutes I was so surprised it
00:31:58
was like over already but it was like such great simple advice on how to like start it's you know
00:32:05
It's a long process and it seems daunting and overwhelming to fucking get confidence after a lifetime of not having it.
00:32:11
But she makes it so straightforward and simple and explains your brain to you of why it's not working.
00:32:19
Yeah. And it's it's great. You're right. You're right. It was great. It's really cool. And I really think it's generous because she is a she is a like life coach, a master life coach.
00:32:30
and there's lots of life coaches that have podcasts that are basically giving it away for free
00:32:35
as a way to say and if you want more of this then you get i'll coach you separately so that's very
00:32:40
cool if you listen to it then you have like next options if you have like the money and the totally
00:32:46
but inclination but if not there's there she has like four years of podcast episodes where you can
00:32:53
go through and find your topic. And it's just really, I find her very smart and very, so good
00:33:01
at giving advice. I was blown away. That's amazing. I love those kinds of podcasts. Yeah, that was
00:33:05
great. Unfuck your brain with Cara Lowenthal. Yes, of course. Cool. Because I, I had a couple
00:33:12
of those moments as I was listening where I was just like, oh, I could actually do this. Yeah,
00:33:15
that's not it's not conceptual in that way of like, you need to tell yourself that you're great,
00:33:21
where it's just like, right, I would fucking do that. Like, it doesn't work. Well, the thing about
00:33:27
us is that I feel like, and people with low self esteem is like, I don't think I deserve
00:33:31
to like myself. And I don't think I deserve confidence from myself or other people. And so
00:33:37
it's not going to fucking work on me and fuck you for trying like that works for other people and not
00:33:42
for me. Right. But it's like, no, no, it's just your brain and your wires are kind of crossed.
00:33:47
and the way you've been trying to get it from outside sources is just it doesn't work for
00:33:53
anyone not because you're broken yeah you know and that idea of these are these thoughts that
00:34:00
pass through our head they're just that they're just thoughts and we can't just give our life
00:34:06
over to these thoughts ideas feelings that just come through we have to be more in charge and we
00:34:12
have to be basically kind of like right there with the thoughts and then go thank you for the warning
00:34:16
thank you for the worry thank you for the you know stamping your feet we're not going to do that this
00:34:23
time yeah and like it's that idea i just you know and i mean like that's also my therapist talking
00:34:30
and a lot of other things but yeah but carl loenthal loenthal puts it into very simple
00:34:37
listenable kind of like break it down thing i was just really impressed and it's like it works for
00:34:41
anyone. It's not, you don't have to be special and like fixed. But we're so special. But however,
00:34:49
we're especially, we're especially special in our brokenness. Don't we all love to be
00:34:55
especially broken? That's the best. That's the best way. Truly. I mean, I don't want to be
00:34:59
boring broken. That's like for fucking basics. And I'm not. I'm special. And I'm unfixable.
00:35:05
High level. I'm unfixable in my brokenness. Yeah. You earn that leather jacket. You earn
00:35:11
the cigarette when you're yeah these knuckle tattoos man no not everyone gets to have these
00:35:16
you have to have a permit when you go to the georgia's knuckles say special broken i don't
00:35:20
know how she fits it on i got extra fingers because i'm especially broken um okay all right
00:35:27
that was a great oh i'm reading the invention of wings by sue monk kid that's k-i-d-d and she also
00:35:36
wrote The Secret Life of Bees, which was unbelievably great. I love your bees. I do love bees.
00:35:44
I highly recommend The Adventure of Wings. Cool. Yeah. So check that out, too. Okay. Now we do
00:35:53
a little Exactly Right News. We have so many great and wonderful shows We just going to highlight a couple of them for you right now in case you haven caught up to all your ER programming this week Yeah Let us walk you through it
00:36:05
I think we should start with I Saw What You Did. Let's do it. Which is our Radical Movie Review Podcast.
00:36:14
It's hosted by the two incredible women, Millie and Danielle. Millie is the programmer at the incredible Turner Classic Movies, TCM, which is like one of the coolest channels.
00:36:24
And whenever Vince is like, well, they have a double feature of this. I'm like, that's Millie.
00:36:28
That's Millie. Like she has impeccable frickin taste. And Danielle knows so much about movies and she's hilarious.
00:36:34
And they're great friends. I saw what you did actually as a five star rating on iTunes, which is if you ask us is impossible.
00:36:42
But apparently it's not. Well, this is we're talking Criterion Collection level podcasting over here.
00:36:48
Hey, that's what's happening. Nice time. Yeah. And so they're doing a Black History Month special where they're focusing their discussions on Black directors, actors and other artists in the film industry and examining the obviously year round importance of celebrating and amplifying Black voices in the film community.
00:37:07
And to kick that off, they're discussing two films, Ganja and Hess from 1973 and Losing Ground from 1982.
00:37:15
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00:37:22
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00:37:27
So you can watch those movies before or after. You don't even need to fucking watch them, honestly,
00:37:32
just to listen to this podcast. Because you'll get the discussion. Also, on Bananas, our weird news podcast,
00:37:39
Kurt and Scotty are doing basically a live show this weekend. This is very exciting.
00:37:45
You can buy tickets for it's February 6th. It's coming. I literally don't know what day it is.
00:37:51
I was about to say it's in a couple of days and it could be the 15th. It could be the second.
00:37:56
I have no fucking clue. By the way, before you get fucking angry in their Instagram feed, they're doing a live web show.
00:38:03
It's not they're not going to be at fucking the Troubadour guys. No, no, no. It's streaming. It's completely it's completely virtual.
00:38:13
They're going to wear masks, even though they're going to be super distanced. So go to www.bananaslive.com and go watch them do a live show.
00:38:24
They're both seasoned performers. It's going to be amazing. Yeah, no doubt. It's going to be that damn show. So they're doing so good.
00:38:32
They are so good. And then we have a crossover this week of two of our Exactly Right podcasts.
00:38:37
So Kara Klink from That's Messed Up, our SVU podcast, is on, I said no gifts, Bridger's podcast.
00:38:46
And so you should check both of those out. Yeah, that's going to be a delight. Yeah.
00:38:50
That's a real nice combination. It is. I love those people. I love seeing them at parties, which is obviously we've talked about our main host criteria for Exactly Right is do we like to hang out with them at parties?
00:39:02
How long can you stand with them at a party? If it's over 10 minutes, they get a show on the podcast.
00:39:07
And just to just to slide this one in Tenfold More Wicked is on their second season or on Kate Winkler Dawson's on her second season talking about serial killers, Burke and Hare.
00:39:19
It's really fascinating. They have been at the top of Apple's true crime charts.
00:39:25
This second season is going like gangbusters. And my sister told me the other day that my cousin Stevie, who is like my older brother, got off the phone with her the other day because he loves this podcast so much that he wanted to stop talking to her so he could continue listening to that process.
00:39:42
How, you know, I said to my sister, I was like, that's like the opposite of him beating me up every day after school.
00:39:49
That feels so good. Yeah, we could have had something to talk about after school instead of him just beating me up.
00:39:56
But now that we're adults, he can listen to my podcast. I love you, Stevie. And I want to reiterate, speaking of her being on the top of the true crime charts, is that please, please, please rate, review and subscribe.
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Goodbye. All right. So this is in the news recently and I realized I hadn't even considered ever doing it.
00:43:55
And I thought maybe now is a good time because of that. So this is the murder of Lana Clarkson by Phil Spector.
00:44:04
Oh, yeah. Amazing. Right. Never done that. How have we never done it? Yeah. OK. Hopefully we've never.
00:44:10
Yeah. I mean, I'm so surprised, like even at an L.A. live show doing it. But it doesn't cross my mind.
00:44:17
OK, my sources are Patrick Prince for Goldmine Mag, CNN Wire, a Dominic Dunn article for Vanity Fair, Stephen A. Diamond article for Psychology Today, Karina Longsworth for Ellie Weekly, Bill Domain for Mental Floss, Wikipedia, of course, and then other Vanity Fair articles as well.
00:44:37
Karina Longworth. That's a you must remember this. Totally. That's Karina getting her bills paid.
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Please support Karina Longworth. You must remember this. That's right. All right.
00:44:54
So let's we're going to delve into Phil Spector and who he was and what his life was like,
00:45:00
because it really just paints a picture of what ended up what he ended up doing.
00:45:06
So his hair. I mean, I have no explanation. Actually, I do have an explanation for that.
00:45:12
OK. OK. Yeah. Harvey Phillips Spector is born in 1939 to a first generation immigrant Jewish family, and they live in the Bronx.
00:45:21
The family first arrived from Ukraine in 1913. And it's highly possible that his parents are first cousins because there's lineage lineage found of their grandfathers.
00:45:32
They were found to be very similar on their naturalization papers. So just a little side note.
00:45:38
In 1949, when Phil is just nine years old, his ironworker father, who has just tons of debt, takes his own life by carbon monoxide asphyxiation.
00:45:49
Oh, no. Nine years old. I mean, it's tragic. On his tombstone is inscribed Ben Spector, father, husband, to know him was to love him.
00:46:00
Phil's allegedly domineering mother moves the family from New York to Los Angeles in 1953, where she works as a seamstress.
00:46:08
All right. So Phil goes to Fairfax High School where he was involved in a Jewish like boys club known as the Lock and Vars, which I have known about since I was a kid, because one such member is none other than Marty Hardstark.
00:46:26
Marty was a lock and bar. Marty was a lock and ride. No idea Phil Spector was, too, until Phil Spector died last week.
00:46:32
And my dad forwarded this like chain email from a bunch of like old members. My dad called it a gang, but it was just a bunch of Jewish boys.
00:46:43
It was a club. And they were all kind of talking about their memories of their friends, Phil Spector from high school.
00:46:50
And my dad is still super close with those friends from his time. It's like they were very kind of supported each other. And partly because they grew up in a time when anti-Semitism was still rampant in L.A.
00:47:01
In the 1950s, the Fairfax was known as a, quote, Jewish high school. And in fact, the principal even taught modern Hebrew class.
00:47:10
And some parents started taking their kids out of Fairfax because the high Jewish population made them uncomfortable.
00:47:16
terrible so la i mean i've heard stories from my grandparents and parents was very uh anti-semitic
00:47:23
at the time i believe that it's just funny or like interesting now to think about that because
00:47:30
of the way things are now right like the idea of people taking their kids out of school because
00:47:36
jewish people went there totally it's just kind of like wait what but that's it's that thing of
00:47:41
Like over the years, that kind of racism exposes itself to just be the weirdest, most baseless, stupid thing.
00:47:49
But then it's just the more current. Like that's I think I've told you the story of when I got in trouble because I repeated a slur against a Mexican student.
00:48:00
that I heard on the playground and, and my aunt Jean like slammed on the brakes and was like,
00:48:05
what, why would you ever say that? And I was like, Oh, I thought that's what somebody else
00:48:09
said. I was like in second grade or something like that. And my mother gave me this fucking
00:48:13
speech that night that was all about, don't you know that the way, you know, anybody that says
00:48:20
that about Mexicans now, that's exactly what people were saying about your grandparents,
00:48:24
You know, 50 years ago when they emigrated and were living in San Francisco when there were signs up that said, don't hire the Irish.
00:48:32
So any like those those people are your relatives. You might as well think of it in the same way.
00:48:38
And that that that's racist. And that kind of like bias is that's who your people are.
00:48:45
Like you can't do it because your people were those people. And it was really eye-opening and kind of thank fucking God I made that mistake to learn that lesson.
00:48:55
And it stuck with you from second grade on. That's great. Also, just as a kid, and I know not that many kids, like second graders listen to this, but just don't repeat shit other people say.
00:49:05
Don't believe anything kids say. They're all fucking making shit up as they go along or repeating stuff stupid people say.
00:49:12
Yeah. You gotta, yeah. Just don't. Just don't. Don't. Yeah. So I think that's why my my dad was so close with them and this this little group, the lock and bars, which I just while you were sitting here had to get on the phone with my dad and be like, how do you pronounce that again?
00:49:28
So the reason I thought of doing the story is because, as I said, this Phil Spector email went around and my dad forwarded it to me.
00:49:36
They were sharing old memories of their old club member, Phil Spector. And one of the guys whose name is Robert remembered Phil Spector this way.
00:49:44
I thought he was so friendly, a bit different, perhaps, but so talented and nice to everyone.
00:49:51
We became friends and his mom would ask me to play the piano whenever I came over, which was often.
00:49:56
He was head cheerleader and it wasn't hard to recognize he would be a musical success.
00:50:01
He was head cheerleader. Yeah. He also lived down the street from my dad, like where my grandma is.
00:50:08
Wow. My dad didn't know him. He was a couple of years ahead of my dad. Oh, okay.
00:50:12
Yeah. Head cheerleaders, a little bit of a left turn. It is. I didn't see that one coming at all.
00:50:17
It is. But I think it was more normal back then for men to be cheerleaders, wasn't it?
00:50:24
Maybe. Could have been. Yeah. But head cheerleader. He beat out everybody. It was special.
00:50:31
So Phil, and he was like this short and small in stature guy. So he probably didn't play a lot of sports, I would assume.
00:50:37
So cheerleader. He hated his given name, Harvey, which he was previously known by.
00:50:43
And he starts going by his middle name, Philip, Phil, which he later has legally changed to.
00:50:48
So he becomes obsessed with listening to music on AM radio and it changes his life.
00:50:53
He starts hanging around the music room at Fairfax and he learns the guitar and he performs in school talent shows.
00:51:01
And he starts a band with three of his friends from Fairfax and they form a group called the Teddy Bears.
00:51:07
So he starts hanging out at local recording studios trying to learn music production.
00:51:12
And this guy, Stan Ross, who was an owner and producer of Gold Star Records in Hollywood, takes a shine to him and begins tutoring Phil Spector on music production.
00:51:23
And so from 18, no, from 1950 to 1984, Gold Star Studios is one of the most important studios in the world.
00:51:31
They have artists like the Beach Boys and Richie Valens and Jimi Hendrix and putting out like, you know, world history changing music.
00:51:40
Yeah. The Who. And so and just tons of recording artists perform there and record there.
00:51:47
And I highly suggest the documentary The Wrecking Crew. Yeah. Which tells Gold Star's history.
00:51:54
And it's by filmmaker Denny Tedesco. It's on Amazon. It's fucking awesome. The Wrecking Crew.
00:52:01
watch it. So Phil learns the business. And in 1958, the teddy bears signed to Era's door records
00:52:09
where they get a deal to record two to three of Phil's songs. One of them being to know him is to
00:52:14
love him, inspired by the inscription on his father's tombstone. And it goes to number one
00:52:21
on the Billboard's Hot 100 list and sells over a million copies. And in 1958, they perform on
00:52:27
Dick Clark's American Bandstand, which was a huge accomplishment. Big deal. Yeah. And meanwhile,
00:52:34
this is just an interesting side note. Phil's mother, Bertha, had encouraged Phil to learn
00:52:39
stenography in the meantime. Gotta have a safety net. That's exactly why. So he had something to
00:52:46
fall back on in case the music thing didn't work out. Because, you know, moms are like,
00:52:49
what are you fucking doing? Can you at least just get a degree, please? No one's letting you just go
00:52:54
being the teddy bears like that's going to pay your mortgage because that ain't real.
00:52:58
You performed on American Man's Land once, Phil. And so between 1957 and 1960, Phil Spector got a job as a part time court stenographer
00:53:07
at the court in downtown Los Angeles, where, among other cases, he worked the Lana Turner
00:53:14
Cheryl Crane murder case that I covered at one of our live shows in L.A. in which Lana's daughter Cheryl stabbed Lana's boyfriend, Johnny Stompanato, to death.
00:53:25
And she was a teenager and she got off. So he was in that trial. He was the court stenographer for that trial.
00:53:32
That's insane. Isn't that random? And then he was offered the job of doing translation work as a UN interpreter for Fidel Castro.
00:53:42
This is you're starting to talk out the movie Zelig. Like it's like this or Forrest Gump.
00:53:49
He's played by the piece of shit Woody Allen. Like, they look alike in a weird way.
00:53:54
Actually Phil Spector met Castro twice in a hotel room but ultimately turns down the most incredible job I ever heard in my fucking life in order to continue his music career
00:54:06
So it's probably a big fuck you to his mom. The teddy bears break up so sadly in 1959.
00:54:12
And after finding success producing a few records, as well as sitting in on as a session musician, Phil founds Phyllis Records, so his own record company with famed producer Lester Stills.
00:54:27
So this is when Phil Spector really finds his niche and he develops his trademark wall of sound.
00:54:34
It's a production formula where I'm going to put this simply because I don't fucking get it.
00:54:39
A mixture of all sorts of instruments are playing at the same time in unison with other instruments joining in layers, along with further layers of vocals.
00:54:50
It's like this crescendo effect that you I mean, it's beautiful. But the secret is the echo chamber where the microphones from the studio play into a basement speakers.
00:55:01
There's microphones. They bounce the sound back to the control room to be recorded on tape.
00:55:06
that's how the wall of sound works she shrugs she explains she explains unbelievably get it i get it well you know the um the motown records um they ran a microphone
00:55:25
up into the attic to get that same type of sound wow yeah that makes sense um so that's the only
00:55:31
reason i kind of get what you're talking about is because i've heard about that yeah yeah yes and
00:55:36
Because when I record, well, it's all about the echo in the attic. I'd like to thank Mike Burns, my research writer, for understanding what the fuck that meant and writing it in layman's terms.
00:55:49
So Spector said in 1964, quote, I was looking for a sound, a strong. A sound so strong that if the material was not the greatest, the sound would carry the record.
00:56:00
Hey, it was a case of augmenting it all fit together like a jigsaw. so and you can hear that with um the beach boys brian wilson recorded a lot there as well and
00:56:10
phil releases legendary songs where you can hear this unique style including be my baby by the
00:56:16
ronettes which is a legendary legendary classic then he kissed me by the crystals another beautiful
00:56:22
song put your headphones on you guys put your noise canceling headphones on and listen to these
00:56:27
songs they're moving and he signs the righteous brothers in 1965 releasing you've lost that love
00:56:33
and feeling, Unchained Melody, and You're My Soul and Inspiration. So like hit after hit that like
00:56:39
defines the era. So this is why he's so famous when you look at these insane pictures of him
00:56:45
in the courtroom. And you're like, who is this fucking good dude? Like, he just changes music.
00:56:51
Yeah. So by now, he's in his early 20s. And he's one of the hottest and wealthiest record
00:56:56
producers in the world. Can't get fame that you can't get famous and rich that young or you're
00:57:01
No, you cannot. No, you cannot. You are fucked. You got to go through some shit before you can appreciate some shit.
00:57:07
Right. You got to go through some shit before you can buy all the coke all the time because you and your wall of sound are going to get yourself into some trouble.
00:57:15
That's right. By the time you're 30 and you're washed up. Good luck. Yeah. So in 1966, Spector signs his final act at Phyllis.
00:57:24
It's P-H-I-L-L-E-S. Phyllis. Phyllis. The Phyllis? Are you talking about the Philadelphia Phyllis?
00:57:31
No, it's his record company. His final his final act is Ike and Tina Turner. And he considers River Deep Mountain High the best thing he's ever produced. And the fact that the song was initially snubbed by the American audience, he takes it super personally. And it kind of like changes something in him and made him resent the music industry completely. And he just is bitter and he retreats from the business and goes into a state of depression.
00:57:59
Huh. After one thing that didn't go his way. Right. After 20 that did. Exactly. Cool, cool, cool. Sounds like a great state of mind.
00:58:08
Sounds like he's got his shit together in his early 20s. He's doing probably doing a lot of meditating, a lot of chanting.
00:58:15
Just really grounded. Sounds like he's of the people. He's a Buddhist, I think. Sure. He's reading the Tao of Winnie the Pooh, for sure.
00:58:23
So after failing to sell his record company to A&M Records in 1967, he becomes a total recluse.
00:58:32
He rarely makes public appearances for a couple of years except for playing a drug dealer in 1969's Easy Rider, which I didn't know, and playing himself in a cameo of I Dream of Jeannie.
00:58:42
I guess they were desperate for cameos at that point. But he does marry his dream girl, Veronica Bennett, who's Ronnie of the Ronettes, who Phil had discovered.
00:58:53
So Phil had discovered her and the group and he helped make them famous with these hits.
00:58:59
And sensing the relationship was doomed due to Phil's erratic emotional behavior.
00:59:04
Ronnie's mother turned to her daughter after signing the wedding certificate and said, quote, I just signed your death certificate.
00:59:12
Oh, no. Yeah, that's not what you want to hear on your wedding day. Well, maybe it was like she felt like she had no choice and she was just like, you made me do that.
00:59:22
Definitely. Definitely. You know how you know how much daughters listen to their mothers advice.
00:59:27
Also, that band was huge. Their songs were awesome. And I'm sure she was just like, this guy made me like he's, you know, that's what it's.
00:59:37
So she wrote a memoir in 1990 called Be My Baby. And yeah, that's exactly it. She felt she owed him this. She owed him her life, you know.
00:59:46
Sure. And she actually he was really controlling. and it turns out John Lennon fell in love with her
00:59:53
and offered for the Ronettes to go on tour with the Beatles and she chose Phil Spector over that So that how devoted she was to him Wow So in Be My Baby her memoir she details how Phil Spector
01:00:07
psychologically tortures her and purposely ruins her career by not allowing her to perform again.
01:00:14
He's the monster. He puts a barbed wire around their house and they live in this mansion in
01:00:19
Alhambra, California, which is right outside Pasadena, right? And he gets guard dogs for the
01:00:26
yard and it's all to keep Ronnie inside the castle, basically, they call it. If she's given
01:00:33
permission to leave, Ronnie has to drive with a life-size inflatable dummy of Phil Spector in the
01:00:38
passenger seat. Okay. Are we going to talk about what drugs he was on? Because this is extreme.
01:00:45
in later on i will tell you about the poppers and what they do to him because jesus christ i think
01:00:52
he was also just this emotionally manipulative psychotic guy like i don't even know if drugs
01:00:59
were part of it i mean i'm sure they were i feel like back then drugs were everyone did speed you
01:01:04
know they did and also when barbed wire comes into a place you know like your alhambra mansion
01:01:10
right where no one goes you're like here's what we need barbed and fucking guard dogs but to keep
01:01:15
you in that's the creepiest part it's like not even to keep people out yeah that's so scary awful
01:01:21
yeah and there's more it gets worse it always does it always fucking does so inflatable dummy
01:01:28
if she's gone for more than 20 minutes he calls the guards to like find her wow she says quote i
01:01:36
was never around people. He made sure of that. And he kept her isolated in the studio where her best
01:01:42
friend, who was her backup singer, was like the only person she was allowed to hang out with,
01:01:48
who was none other than Cher. Really? What? Her backup singer at the time. I know. Wow.
01:01:57
So the couple adopts a child in 1969. And then, okay, here's the fucking wackiest,
01:02:04
wacky thing you've ever heard. As a Christmas gift in 1971, Phil surprises Ronnie
01:02:12
by bringing home a set of five-year-old twins. What? He adopted a set of five-year-old twins
01:02:20
and was like, these are your kids. Purchased. Yeah. Well, adopted. I don't know.
01:02:25
Okay. Probably, yeah. Let's see that paperwork. Yeah. I want to see that Carfax.
01:02:29
That's right. Jesus. Did you say, I want to see that Carfax? yeah that was i'm glad i didn't um gloss over that because that was an excellent comment
01:02:39
of course she feels like the gesture is to keep it's just a bid to keep her captive in their
01:02:46
marriage and that the children were used as like pawns to keep her there yeah um ronnie goes so
01:02:52
far as to purposely start abusing alcohol so she can leave to go to aa meetings oh and there's not
01:02:58
and she's like there's nothing for me to do all day but drink i have no i'm not allowed to leave
01:03:03
the house. I have no freedom. I just start drinking. And also, oh, my God, Phil puts a gold coffin with
01:03:10
a see-through glass top in their basement and promises that he will kill her and display her
01:03:15
body there if she tries to leave him. So this man is an abusive fucking piece of shit.
01:03:22
And very insecure. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's the least of the problems. yeah i'm insecure and i've i've literally done none of those things to my knowledge
01:03:33
don't don't ask don't ask vince about that though to my knowledge and then just like your zoom
01:03:39
camera just shifts slightly to the left you're like wait george what is that a mausoleum with
01:03:45
vince's name on it did you get a fucking doberman pincher jesus george this wallpaper is so nice
01:03:51
Why is there so much barbed wire around the top of it? Why? It's crazy. So many questions.
01:03:58
This is like, we're making jokes. Yes. This is a nightmare. Like we're, this is a, this is a nightmare, castle of nightmares.
01:04:07
This is a highly abusive relationship that is, we all know is impossible, feels impossible to escape from.
01:04:17
Because it's, I mean, literally. Literally and physical. She deserves to be drink as much as she possibly can.
01:04:25
Jesus Christ. And according to Ronnie, Phil said, before I let you go, you'll be dead.
01:04:33
Terrifying. So he also takes away all of her shoes. So she can't. It makes it harder for her to run away.
01:04:40
And everyone knows in Alhambra, it's just like that's far from anything. Fucking anywhere.
01:04:44
This is just so extreme. Like awful. Insane. so when she finally does escape with the help of her mother in 1972 she has to do so barefoot
01:04:54
and also by sneaking out through the service entrance like her and her mom studied the
01:04:59
service entrance to see when it was like possible to run away um she recalls quote my whole survival
01:05:05
is through my mom's strength i tell other women if you're in a bad relationship you have to find
01:05:10
one person to help you phil's abuse was mental not physical telling me i'll never be successful
01:05:17
without him and she says that it it made me say wanna bet can i just say this too yeah meanwhile
01:05:25
ronnie specter is one of the most beautiful women her voice is so unique and gorgeous like the the
01:05:33
you know the ronett's lead singer be my baby like legendary and the and then you know i won't i won't
01:05:42
spoil your thing but then later when she like is in a hit later on it's like she looks like she's
01:05:48
25 she back entirely but that idea he really did rob her of a career because she could have had anything she was perfectly made for show business she was and she was incredibly talented And actually during their divorce in 1974 Ronnie gives up all of the future earnings from her
01:06:06
recordings because Phil threatens to have her killed by a hitman if she doesn't. So that's
01:06:12
hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars that she has to walk away from,
01:06:17
you know, which is, I think, a familiar, not that much, but a familiar story for for abused women.
01:06:23
Ronnie walks away with a used car $25,000 an alimony of $2,500 a month for the duration of five years
01:06:32
all for that fucking torture and she has to give up custody of the children because he would regularly
01:06:38
pull a gun on her and threaten to murder her if she took them away it has to be heartbreaking
01:06:44
and sadly the children are also abused among other things Phil keeps them locked in the room
01:06:50
as soon as they get home from school every day And they just are stuck there. So Ronnie's finally able to relaunch her career, but finds difficulty finding chart success until she appears on Eddie Money's 1986 iconic hit, Take Me Home Tonight, in which which goes on to number four.
01:07:08
And despite Phil's objections, Ronnie and the Ronettes are included into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2007, among other continuing successes.
01:07:18
So she made it. Yes, you did. Big time. I mean, she was like a huge part of that video, too.
01:07:24
I mean, I was 16 when that song came out. Yeah. So ironically, during all this chaos, Phil Spector is mounting a major comeback.
01:07:34
Spector was working with George Harrison. And when Lennon wanted George in the studio for his record Instant Karma, he asked Phil Spector to come into the recording session.
01:07:44
They recorded it in one day. Phil Spector mixed it on the spot with his wall of sound style.
01:07:48
and the single was put out in the same week. Phil Spector would go on to produce further solo albums
01:07:54
by both George Harrison and John Lennon and they liked his work so much that they brought him to England
01:08:00
to fix the Beatles' abandoned recordings for their Let It Be album which was previously assumed to be a complete wash.
01:08:08
So this is fucking historical shit, you know? But he is slowly beginning to act more erratic and more eccentric.
01:08:15
In 1973, he's hired by John Lennon to produce his new album of covers. And Phil starts appearing at the studio wearing wild costumes like, quote, surgeon or karate guy.
01:08:30
And he always has a gun and a holster on him. He's also frequently high on the inhalant amyl nitrate.
01:08:39
Amyl nitrate. Otherwise known as poppers. Hell yeah. OK, here's an interesting fact I didn't know. Poppers are officially used as an angina heart medication or to treat cyanide poisoning.
01:08:53
But they become popular in the 70s and 80s drug culture. OK, ready for why? As it causes the throat and anus to relax and gives you a short high.
01:09:05
Yeah. So all things that we've always wanted in our lives. Yes. Yes. And jokingly, quote, one night, Spector pulls out his gun and surprises John Lennon by firing it off in the studio by Lennon's ear.
01:09:19
John Lennon screams at Phil. Phil, if you're going to kill me, kill me. But don't fuck with my ears. I need him.
01:09:24
But in a British accent, he would chase John Lennon around the studio with a gun, threatening to shoot him while he was drunk or on drugs.
01:09:32
and of course John Lennon later dies of a gunshot wound so that's just kind of fucked up. Throughout the 70s and following his divorce from Ronnie
01:09:43
Phil becomes more crazed and reclusive especially following a car crash in 1974 where he's thrown from the window of his car and I guess it's he looked dead but a
01:09:58
A cop found a faint pulse. And after several hours of surgeries at UCLA Medical Center for his massive head injuries, resulting in 300 face stitches and 400 stitches to the back of his head, Phil survives.
01:10:15
But he's presumably super scarred up, which is why he starts wearing his notoriously outrageous wigs.
01:10:22
Can I ask, sorry, what year was that car accident again? 74. Oh, wow. Why, wow. No, I just, I wasn't sure.
01:10:29
I just wasn't sure of like where in the timeline we were. That's okay. Crazy. Yeah. So
01:10:35
he's already going a little fucking psychotic, but then this kind of massive head injury, we all
01:10:41
know what that does. Not great. Not good. No. So Phil will go on to work with other notable
01:10:47
musicians like Leonard Cohen and they get shit-faced on booze, write 12 songs, but the
01:10:55
and again, he's drunk on Manischewitz, which I find stereotypical, and I resent that as a Jew.
01:11:03
He's being a real hack as a Jewish man. Can we just get a bottle of like Josh or can we get a bottle of, you know, what's that Stella?
01:11:12
I don't know. So he pulls a gun on him during an argument and, you know, doesn't kill him, obviously.
01:11:19
But the album's a massive failure. and um cohen remembers from the studio recordings that they were that that they were quote armed to
01:11:29
the teeth you were slipping over bullets and biting into revolvers in your hamburger
01:11:34
so like you don't need to be that armed in a studio friend i mean it is very indicative of
01:11:42
what the 70 what was going on in the 70s which was in i would guess and from the little that i
01:11:48
know about like the music industry in the 70s it was like whatever the fuck anyone wants to do they
01:11:54
get to do plus three three lines of cocaine right a minute as long as you're successful
01:12:00
You will not be punished for anything, any behavior. Yeah, you get if you get the hit going, no one gives a shit how you got it there.
01:12:07
So you shoot John Lennon in the ear. Well, then whatever. Right. Which I feel like is similar to today in the fucking entertainment industry.
01:12:15
Yeah. Oh, it reminds me of Boogie Nights. Kind of. It's just that like psychotic.
01:12:20
What is everyone doing? Nobody knows because they're all high on drugs. Yeah. And also I think poppers like as an inhalant drug like that.
01:12:29
I mean, it makes me think of it's just like I think that does also affect your brain.
01:12:35
Like nitrous, like taking hits. It's not great. I don't think it's good for you.
01:12:39
Brain cells. You can hear them while you're high. Like little like what are those candies that pop in your mouth?
01:12:47
Pop rocks. Pop rocks. Yes. Or zots. Depending on what side of the country you're from.
01:12:54
Around this time, Debbie Harry, of course, of Blondie, is invited by Phil to his mansion to discuss working together.
01:13:01
Shortly after arriving, she says he pulled a gun on her and says, quote, that notorious thing he does.
01:13:09
He stuck it in my boot and went bang. I thought, get me out of here. Why would anyone be carrying a 45 automatic in their own house?
01:13:18
Yeah. So even she like fucking later and could tell that he was psychotic. but he has a pattern of pulling guns on people is what this is all illustrating.
01:13:29
They normalized the gun pulling. That's right. That's just how he is. They say, if you want the wall of sound,
01:13:36
that's what you have to put up with. They say, that's right. Little lady. So then in 1979,
01:13:41
the Ramones hire Phil Spector and realize that there are what they say are two Phil's.
01:13:47
There's nice and evil Phil. Sometimes he dressed in casual clothes. He's easygoing and funny.
01:13:52
And sometimes he wears a cape, sunglasses and is derogatory, mean, abusive and only wants things done his way.
01:14:00
One story that D.D. Ramon tells is that he was trying to leave the studio after a long session.
01:14:06
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01:14:14
And he answered, quote, that God won't let me into heaven because I'm too evil and the devil won't let me into hell because he's afraid I'll take over.
01:14:22
which is like dude you're not that great dude dial it back you know let's go to him self-help
01:14:29
podcasts right yeah really go to a meeting like it's very grandiose very grandiose so he made
01:14:37
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01:14:42
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Goodbye. Aside from a small handful of other things, like being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame by Tina Turner in 1989,
01:16:56
Phil basically disappears from between 1981 until 2003, where he reenters the public eye for the worst possible reasons after meeting the beautiful
01:17:08
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01:17:14
Okay. So she's born in 1962. She's raised in the hills of Sonoma County, California,
01:17:20
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01:17:25
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01:17:32
I mean, like Heather Locklear style, Charlie's Angels. Beautiful. Yeah, she looked like a Vogue model.
01:17:42
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01:17:50
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01:18:08
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01:18:15
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01:18:25
Oh, I didn't realize that was her. I know. Yeah, that's so good. So she goes on to perform in a laundry list of small television and film roles and projects like Scarface, Three's Company, Knight Rider and numerous major commercials.
01:18:40
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01:18:59
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01:19:09
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01:19:16
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So she does that weekly. Well, coming into her 30s, Clarkson's career stalls and she can't get enough work to live on anymore.
01:19:32
Classic story. She makes a little money selling autographed copies of her movies and chatting in with fans behind early paywall message boards.
01:19:43
So this is like the late 90s. I know. I forgot that was a thing. In her acting career, she made a living by playing these bombshells, these like hot ladies.
01:19:52
But her desire was to be cast in comedic roles or perform as a comedian. And she even began work as a stand up on a stand up set.
01:20:00
Oh, and she also developed, wrote, produced and directed a showcase reel called Lana Unleashed.
01:20:07
But by January 2003, at 40 years old, she needed to make ends meet. So she took a part time side job at the House of Blues in West Hollywood.
01:20:15
on the Sunset Strip. It's closed now, huh? Yeah. I think they knocked the whole building down.
01:20:22
Yeah, I think you're right. And that's where, in the early hours of February 3rd, 2003,
01:20:28
she meets Phil Spector. Oh, wow. Okay. I know. And I can't find a real explanation of why she agreed
01:20:36
to go back to his house with him, but I bet he was persuasive. I bet he was promising her
01:20:40
he could help with her career. It sounds like, because when she, they took, They went Phil's driver drove them in their limo to his house.
01:20:48
And she says to him while she's exiting that she says to the driver, I'm only staying for one drink.
01:20:53
So it seems like she was like, all right. You know, he was persuasive. I'll go home.
01:20:57
We can talk and have one drink, but probably could tell that this was not someone she, you know, wanted.
01:21:03
This is the story of so many people in Los Angeles, because it's a town filled with people who have gotten, you know, four good jobs.
01:21:13
And then, you know, some time has passed and now they're just like, what the hell am I going to do now?
01:21:17
And pivoting and parlaying things into other things. And this is and it is just a feeding ground for powerful men who just want to go around and pick people up.
01:21:29
And that's just it's how it is. And I think, you know, we're joking about it or whatever, but I'm sure that like they were saying, like I think D.D. Ramone said, it's like there was a good side to him, which I'm sure that's how he continued to work.
01:21:45
He's charming. He's persuasive. He's amicable. He's he must have made it easy for people to believe he was going to be OK with them.
01:21:53
Totally. Because if you come out like, you know, shooting off guns, everyone's going to go.
01:21:58
That guy's fucking crazy. So he must have been good enough for enough of the time.
01:22:03
Totally. That people were like, he's still this legend. Yeah. So they get him. And she is sorry.
01:22:08
But she if she's working at the House of Blues, which is a musical venue, he is a living legend from the music business.
01:22:16
Oh, my God. You're right. That means something like everyone there was like fawning over him.
01:22:20
And he wants to take her home and talk about her career. Yeah. No, you're totally right.
01:22:25
Yeah. So they go in the house. The driver stays in the driveway. And an hour later, the driver hears a gunshot from inside the house.
01:22:33
And then Phil Spector comes out of the rear of the house carrying a 38 Colt Cobra revolver and tells the driver, quote, I think I just shot her.
01:22:45
The driver calls 911 and police arrive to find a single gunshot to Lana's mouth.
01:22:52
And she's dead. Spector is eventually charged with murder. he remains free on a million dollar bond and is allowed
01:23:01
to stay in his beautiful Alhambra mansion until his trial starts in March of 2007.
01:23:08
So four fucking years. Yeah. If you have the money for rich people. For bonds, you don't have to stay in prison.
01:23:15
That's right. Two justice systems. The trial is shown live on television from the Los Angeles Superior Court.
01:23:23
It's allowed by Judge Larry Paul Fiddler and it becomes a circus. Did you watch any of it back then?
01:23:30
I remember seeing it, but I didn't. Yeah, I just remember his hair, his daily hair check-in, basically.
01:23:39
Well, and it sucks because his, like, he was upstaging the importance and the seriousness of what was happening there.
01:23:48
So suddenly he's walking in with this, you know, it looked like he'd basically ratted his hair out two feet out from his head and then that what everyone laughing and talking about and he there for fucking murder totally it like it was exactly it was so similar
01:24:05
and down to dominic dunn covering it that's the oj simpson trial and like yeah i think everyone
01:24:11
was at the time like oh shit is he gonna get acquitted too like yeah you know it was a beautiful
01:24:16
woman who was killed by this jealous crazy man you know it was fucked up so um so it quickly
01:24:24
becomes a circus and it's only partially a circus because of phil specter's crazy wigs and these
01:24:30
flamboyant suits he had on but the whole trial itself was a spectacle the prosecution points out
01:24:35
that phil specter has a history of pulling firearms on women he is romantically or wants
01:24:39
to be romantically involved with um so she was in the foyer probably trying to leave at the time
01:24:46
uh when she was shot and that's his uh his mo um this usually occurs after he's rejected in some
01:24:53
capacity. It's when he pulls out his gun. And each time he points a gun at the woman attempting to leave his presence.
01:25:00
And he a habit he also frequents with artists in the studio. So they point this all out.
01:25:06
There's a fucking pattern. At his trial, numerous former female acquaintances testified that he had pulled a gun
01:25:11
on them when they attempted to leave him. And his ex-wife, Ronnie, also testifies
01:25:15
against him. Nice. Meanwhile, these pieces of shit, despite their public vows not to do
01:25:21
so, the defense attempts to completely trash Lana's name in an attempt to convince the jury.
01:25:27
Here's their argument that Lana being devastated that her career was over shot herself in the
01:25:34
foyer herself on purpose. That's dirty fucking business. So dirty. How do you sleep at night?
01:25:42
I think I actually remember that. I remember this, these kind of stages of things happening.
01:25:49
And when and when that became the defense, people were very upset about it. And meanwhile, they didn't even bring that up until then, despite and the fact that he had said, I think I just shot her quote, it was just ludicrous.
01:26:04
I think nobody nobody believed it. Right. So they call her best friends, quote unquote.
01:26:11
They're called to testify against her character. So they're the her quote unquote best friends who are just trying to get book deals probably are being called to fucking testify against her character.
01:26:23
Dominic Dunn in Vanity Fair says, quote, after their declarations of friendship and love, they took their poor dead friend apart with anecdote after anecdote, making it appear that Lana was in such a state of abject despair over the failure of her life.
01:26:38
By the way, she's 40. Like it's not 40 gorgeous, smart enough to continually like parlay her past things into something else.
01:26:48
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Objective despair of the failure of her life that shooting herself in the mouth in a stranger's house was a totally logical step for her to take.
01:26:57
Ludicrous. And her mom and sister are like in the courtroom every day having to hear this bullshit.
01:27:02
Dirty. Yeah. So expert witnesses are called, including the distinguished forensic scientist,
01:27:08
Dr. Michael Baden, who's paid $110,000 for his testimony for the defense, giving scientific, quote, proof that Lana killed herself.
01:27:17
So, of course, both sides have expert witnesses. They're fucking paid to argue whatever their side wants.
01:27:25
And in fact, in 2007, a judge rules that renowned forensic expert for the defense, Henry Lee, who we're all familiar with.
01:27:34
He also worked as an expert in trials for JonBenet Ramsey, OJ Simpson and Lacey Peterson.
01:27:41
He's famous that he hid or destroyed an object from the scene, either an acrylic fingernail or a towel that had blood on it to make it seem like she had taken her own life.
01:27:53
What? Yeah. And he denies such allegations, but a judge ruled that he did do it.
01:27:59
Wow. So so they were both testifying for the defense. that Lana killed herself. I mean, again, that's a thing of like,
01:28:08
he has more money than God. So they can hire anyone they want and the people will be more and more legit seeming
01:28:16
to get that story. God, that's dirty. It's estimated that he spent between eight and $10 million on legal fees.
01:28:23
Oh my God. I know. Wow. Here's a side note. And what an asshole, to demonstrate what an asshole Phil Spector is,
01:28:29
a case we didn't already know. in the midst of all this in 2007, Phil Spector goes to known woman beater, Ike Turner's funeral,
01:28:39
and he gives a eulogy. And during the whole thing, he takes shots at Tina Turner's autobiography,
01:28:46
saying that it was, quote, a badly written book, and that it demonized and vilified Ike,
01:28:52
which is like known that he... Ike beat demonized and vilified Ike. Yeah, he did it. Ike did that.
01:28:59
He said Phil said quote Ike made Tina the jewel she was when I went to see Ike play at the Cinegril in the 90s.
01:29:07
There were at least five Tina Turner's on the stage performing that night. Any one of them could have been could have been Tina Turner.
01:29:14
You're kidding yourself. Funeral eulogizing while you're on trial for murder. Can you imagine being in that fucking audience?
01:29:21
But also it's that's one of the most ludicrous statements I've ever heard. It's like Tina Turner.
01:29:28
Yeah. Tina Turner. The legendary Tina Turner. There's no one like Tina Turner in the world or we would have known
01:29:34
about them already. So he's up there eulogizing by lying his fucking, I mean, that's
01:29:40
psychotic. That's crazy. It shows you what a fucking misogynist he was and that he
01:29:46
obviously just hated women and, you know, it's just he's fucking crazy. So he spent eight to ten million on legal
01:29:54
fees but ultimately the jury is fucking deadlocked with two jurors holding out against a guilty verdict A judge the judge declares a mistrial and a retrial of the now 68 year old Phil Spector begins on October 20th 2008
01:30:11
So we're going to go through it all over again. Fortunately, this time TV cameras aren't allowed in the courtroom.
01:30:17
But the case doesn't go to jury until March 26, 2009. And it only takes like less than a month for the jury to find Phil Spector guilty.
01:30:27
Yeah. And actually, I was just going to theorize that maybe there were some jurors maybe got bribed, perhaps.
01:30:35
Well, there was like one juror who lived down the street from him in Alhambra and like star fucked him kind of and was like, I saw him at the grocery store once.
01:30:44
So like clearly had like a thing for him. And then there was another one who just seemed like another misogynist.
01:30:54
You know, they didn't seem like they were judging based on the facts. Right, right.
01:31:00
So when he so when they're in trial reading the verdict, they they thought that Phil they definitely thought Phil Spector was going to be a suicide risk and maybe had brought in a capsule of cyanide with him.
01:31:11
So they put like the security on him that if he when the verdict was read, that if he moved towards his pocket, they were to tackle him.
01:31:20
No, no, I'm laughing about the idea that they would they would tackle that tiny permed haired lunatic.
01:31:30
Right. But it didn't happen. So he's sentenced to 19 years to life in state prison.
01:31:34
In February 2012, Donna Clarkson, Lana's mother, settled a civil suit against his insurance company for an undisclosed amount, which we all hope is millions and millions.
01:31:45
Yes, God, please. Numerous loophole appeals of all sorts continue and I'm sure fucking devastate Lana's family for years and years until they're all denied in 2015.
01:31:59
Phil Spector, his health was already deteriorating. I mean, you could tell just by looking at him due to various things, including having lost the ability to speak from laryngeal papillomatosis.
01:32:14
Dies in the prison, California, health care facility in Stockton, California, of COVID-19 complications.
01:32:23
Oh, shit. On January 21st, like a week and a half ago, 2021, at the age of 81. I did not know it was COVID related
01:32:32
I wouldn't even notice this it was a passing thing until my dad sent me that email and I was like what the
01:32:38
fuck I will say that in the email a lot of the guys acknowledged what he did they weren't
01:32:44
all like good memories of Phil Spector it was like yeah he became a monster so I don't want to
01:32:50
to sully the lock and veers sorry he wasn't that person he wasn't he developed into that monster exactly and I don't
01:32:58
even know if they all kept in touch with him. So let's end on a positive note. Ronnie Spector
01:33:04
in 2018, while Phil Spector was in prison, said, quote, what I went through made me great.
01:33:11
I was determined nobody would ever keep me down again. I won. Phil's where he is,
01:33:16
and I'm going all over the world. Yeah. And that is the murder of Lana Clarkson by
01:33:23
the monster of Phil Spector. Oh, that's amazing. Great job. Thank you. Someone recently, because I was reading an article about this murder, and someone made the very
01:33:34
valid and very sad point that because you I remember, like, when you heard about this story,
01:33:41
and this happens a lot, I think, with just our very strange media bias that we all have,
01:33:46
where it's like, oh, this really beautiful woman, and she's in this old rich guy's house.
01:33:50
Right. We all know what that means. Exactly. Which I hate. Like there's all this assumed stuff.
01:33:55
And someone was like, this woman was murdered by a man she knew for one day. Right.
01:34:00
Like that's it's it's the nightmare. It is the nightmare. And it's it's someone that she thought, oh, he just wants.
01:34:07
Oh, this happens to me. Oh, this could be interesting. I bet you he was like, I'm going to show you my X, Y or Z interesting guy thing.
01:34:14
Totally. And but just that idea that she was just there of like, you know, like, we'll see.
01:34:19
and she gets murdered is it's such a tragedy he pulls who would have thought he'd pull a fucking
01:34:25
gun out like that's just yeah and also he's like rich and professional and well-known no one would
01:34:30
think that they were also you know you just don't it's it's a fucked up world for a bunch it really
01:34:36
for a bunch of fucking machismo tragedy pieces of shit so yeah it's an absolute tragedy wishing her
01:34:42
family, love and happiness. So, wow, that's a big one. Yeah, good. I like when they're, you know, like updates, like a recent a recent one of like, hey, this
01:34:53
just happened. I like that. Guess what COVID did to you? Want to do a couple of fucking hoorays?
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Yes, let's do it. All right. I go first. Want me to go first? You can go first. OK, this is from Brianna Anavey.
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I waited so long for this, but I finally have a fucking hooray. As of Friday, I will have finally completed my 1600 hours of cosmetology school.
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Hey, a little party emoji with a, you know, which allows me to take my state board exam for my license.
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feeling. At almost 24, I have to remind myself, I still have time in life. And I know.
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24? Remember when we were like, I'm running out of time. No, but you know what? I'm not laughing at because that is the age where you're comparing
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yourself to people that you went to high school or college with. And certain people have
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On a thing, a trajectory or whatever. So we're not laughing at you. No, no, no. We're laughing at how so insane much time you have.
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You're very young. Yes. At almost 24, I have to remind myself I still have time in life.
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I need to slow down to make myself happy. Thank you for giving me a distraction during such a crazy year and also getting me through
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Cosmo School, SSTGM, Brianna. Kudos to you. I'm so jealous. I'm so jealous of cosmetology school.
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I quit after three months, six months. I quit cosmetology school. It's fucking hard.
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It's hard, right? Good luck on your exams. Get real good at it. You make that good money.
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That's fucking right. Congratulations. Okay, mine is from, the name is Caroline Gant.
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It says, my fucking hooray is for my amazing sister, Lauren. L-O-R-E-N. She not only introduced me to your podcast a few years ago, which has gotten me, which had gotten me to so much.
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To or through? Probably through. I don't know if we can help people travel to places
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we actually oh I gave this girl a ride no no sorry but she is also a NICU nurse at a public hospital
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she is such a hero to those babies and is also my hero and I will be going to the law school
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in her same city next year can't wait to be close to her again SSDGM and fucking hooray for
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sisters yes thank you man, you guys are heroes. Yep. All health care workers. Thank you. Truly. Thank you.
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The light at the end of the tunnel is coming. I hope so. Yeah. This is from authentic underscore
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and underscore imperfect, authentic and imperfect on Instagram. I just want to say that I listened
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to this episode while I was sitting super nervously at a breast imaging center waiting
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for a mammogram and an ultrasound after finding a lump a few months back Hearing Steven get so excited about saying a number made me snort laugh out loud and get lots of confused looks steven thank you for that
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especially at a time when i needed it and hashtag fucking array for the lump being basically nothing
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and then a prayer hands and a lady dancing emoji yay congratulations yay congratulations
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Everyone get your boobies checked. Yep. It's important. Okay. This one is from P-K-L-Z-D-M-R-C-O.
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Okay. Pickles DeMarco. Oh. If I had to guess, I would say Pickles DeMarco. That's my new fucking baby's name.
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What? Sure. This is a tiny hashtag fucking hooray today is that my six-year-old niece has a classmate named Janet.
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a kindergartner named Janet is so precious and funny to me oh my god baby Janet a little baby Janet in kindergarten
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one of my best friends is pregnant and I offered her $100 to name her baby Deborah turn me down
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nice one guys this week's good send us your fucking hoorays I think that we all need them right now and I feel
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Like every wind these days is like bigger than it feels bigger than before because they're so hard to come by or they were so hard to come by the last four years.
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We're all breathing getting better relief and are able to celebrate to celebrate our wins.
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You know, and we I was actually talking to my therapist about this, that sometimes it's like there's this sigh of relief.
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But then it's almost like as the shock wears off, you can actually start feeling your wounds again.
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So there might be give yourself time because there might be like in your relief There a relief feeling that also then it like oh why isn my life perfect again Or why isn everything feel great And you have to just be just remember to be kind to yourself and stay
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present because, you know, it is people more and more people are getting that vaccine more and more.
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Yeah. You know, we're looking to we're looking toward an ending of this instead of being
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stuck in the middle of it with like no ride home, which was such a stressful feeling for so long.
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Yeah, like that. We can tell ourselves the truth, which is that that's not the case anymore.
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And I am even though we're way at the beginning of the end, it's still the beginning of the end, which is nice.
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My therapist knows I love analogies. It's like how my brain works. So she told me that, like, for example, like not drinking and suddenly being able to feel feelings and how much I fucking hate that.
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But she was like, imagine the backseat of your car is filled with trash that you've just been throwing back there and throwing back there and not dealing with.
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and not dealing with. You don't want to look at it at all. But when you suddenly stop your car
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and take it out of your car and clean out your car and it slowly goes away. So I thought that was a really great analogy.
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And that's a great analogy. And remember, actually, the reality of it is their feelings and thoughts.
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So they're not real. It's not even actually trash. It's just stuff that your brain serves up to defend you and keep you safe.
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But that actually you you are in charge of and you can choose, you know, how dire you make it, how big you make it.
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All of it is your choice. That's very true. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Love it.
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