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Settle down. My favorite murder Hello and welcome to My Favorite Murder. That's Georgia Hardstark.
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That's Karen Kilgara. We're here to tell you a couple things. Yeah, for example.
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And then we'll get out of your hair. Just going to jump in real quick. And then the main...
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Just a quick two-hour and 15-minute podcast real quick about a bunch of stuff that may or may not be accurate, but it comes from the heart.
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And we'll come out of your hair. And then we'll just jump right back out of the hair.
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That's right. We won't... We're not here to bug you. How's your hair doing here in the month 14 of COVID?
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Well, I actually just used a product by one of our sponsors, and I'm not going to say which one because it's going to sound like I'm fucking doing an ad.
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But is it fucking... It smells so good and you love it? Yes, it's a deep conditioner.
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This is terrible. We can't start off with a fake ad. We can't. Stephen, bleep all this out. We just let it be a two-minute bleep.
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Is it the vinegar one? No. It's like a deep conditioner. So it's doing better. But yeah,
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it's the heat. I feel like I've been having the heat on in the house lately because I run fucking freezing, turns out.
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Sure. It's freezing here. It's so cold here in LA. When it drops down to 71. I cannot take it.
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Literally, people are shoveling eight feet of snow in their driveway. That's not on us.
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I mean, move to L.A. Everyone else is doing it. We did not cause this global warming.
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We might have added. We definitely didn't take away any global warming. Look, we can't say we didn't use a fuck ton of Aquanet all throughout the late 80s, early 90s.
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Oh, I and I had the acne on my forehead, the little whiteheads on my forehead to prove it.
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Remember those? Because you're just spraying your bangs up. But of course, you get your forehead at the same time.
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Oh, yeah. I actually I had a look senior year, which is 88. Not complimentary to my face or anything, but it was like I thought it was being modern or something.
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So it was like I had like a long bob and then I wore it up in a clip and I hairsprayed everything up and back.
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So it was like my bangs were going up and back. I did that. And I think in the late 90s that came back because I was like all about that.
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We have to let's find photos and put those on the Instagram because. No, no. Let's find a little picture.
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Let's take a photo of that kind of hairstyle. So everyone knows what we're talking about.
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and then put our faces over it. Or you could do yours. You could do yours and then someone could Photoshop
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my face and your hair. Not cute. Because it's, I meant it and that's what hurts me so bad.
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When I look back, I was like, God, I thought this was such a good idea. All of it.
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I thought it was the height of fashion. You know what I did is like the chunky belt
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for no reason around like my, like that, like the white belt in the early 2000s.
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That was just like a belt sitting on my waist or my hips. Sure. I wasn't holding anything up.
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In fact, it was probably tugging my skirt down a little with its heft. Probably.
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Well, in the mid 80s, that look you would do over a cable knit sweater, which defied logic.
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And always it was like in the 80s, we were bulking up in every possible way. It was just like shoulder pads, shoulder pads, huge cable knit sweaters that like went over your butt right above your knees.
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Then you'd belt it with a gigantic oversized belt. It was the strangest. Yeah. I think we were all like they were crop dusting.
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The government was crop dusting at the time and just kind of fucking with our brains.
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Putting these ideas into our head. Yeah. They're like, we're going to give you some really good throwback Thursday fodder.
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That was their whole point is that they knew. Ispree is not a real company. We're just trying to humiliate you in the future.
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Chunky socks don't make your calves actually look good. And three layers of different chunky socks, especially.
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Chunky socks over white stirrup pants. Ever gotten to that? I mean unless you were an equestrian stirrup pants didn fucking look good on you And they were cotton too So they would have just chafed right off if you tried to ride a horse with them Yeah they weren You were just sitting in homeroom There no reason to be wearing stirrup pants at all
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Is there ever any reason to be wearing stirrup pants unless you were on top of a horse?
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Unless you read Sassy Magazine so many times, you just felt compelled. So unfair.
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What a horrible time. Keep going. Isn't it always? I thought you were going to say, what's cooking?
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So what's cooking good looking? Yeah, I think I'm in the, like a little while ago, I read on, you know, social media or whatever.
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There's a bunch of people talking about, I think I've hit a wall. And I was like, shut up.
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Truly, the last couple of days, I was just like, I don't know how much longer I can do this.
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Here it is. What season of quarantine are you in right now? The season of the witch, for sure.
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where it's like I'm doing a lot of weird psychedelic dancing and staring at the ceiling.
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Have you gotten to the crystals and praying? Is there going to be a full moon? I don't know.
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I talked about this on the new addition to the Exactly Right Media podcast, Corral, Lady to Lady.
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I've become strangely obsessed with my horoscope in a way that I don't understand and I'm the one doing it.
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It's really weird. like get up in the middle of the night and check it. Is it teaching you anything about yourself or like opening, opening chakras?
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The good thing is there's so many good horoscope people. I'm not sure what the actual term is.
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Kind of like, you know, there's, I guess, account, yeah, readers and accounts on Twitter.
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If you get into horoscope Twitter, there are some brilliant people, really cool, like giving
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good advice, just good overall things where it's like, well, right now we're in this Aquarius
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season. So it's everything's a little weird and you need to be careful with things you say.
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Yeah. I really like the hilarious mean, hilariously mean ones that are like, you're this and nobody likes you.
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Yeah. You should try. Like Sorrow Scopes. Is that a thing? Sorrow Scopes on Twitter is hilarious.
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Will you read me mine? Sure. I'm not. I'll never seek my horoscope out. But if I see a horoscope thing somewhere, I'll definitely read it.
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It's I think it's fun. Just really quick. The funny thing to me is that the avatar for Sorrow scopes and the bio just says things are terrible. And the avatar is Julie Andrews and the sound of music spinning on the mountain.
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Love it. So it's really funny. Gemini, we connected the stars in your chart and it looks remarkably like a middle finger. And mine is Taurus. The stars have swiped left on your left.
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Oh, my God. Very true. Soroscopes, you fucking asshole. I love it. And they have to come up with those daily.
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That's like impressive. Whoever's doing those. Bravo. They're enjoying it. I bet they're getting a lot of like rage out.
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Yeah. Which I did recently. I was in the car alone for the first time in like a year.
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And I started just yelling. And then I told my therapist, like, I got really angry and I had rage yesterday.
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and like I'm worried about it and she's like no that's good Georgia it's good and I was like oh
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shit you're supposed to feel things absolutely like rage I've been crying like crazy lately
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yeah yeah it's good get it out it's like get it out effect store is great when you just need a
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block you're just too emotional and you just need a break and I got off of it and so now it's like
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oh I'm ready to I'm doing therapy twice a week I'm ready to deal with the emotions
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good but I'm so used to being like well I should up my meds this isn't normal like I feel too many things feeling things like that I'm kind of depressed that's not good and
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it's like no that can be unless you're in bed all day you know from your depression this can be good
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also it's your you can get into the practice and this is I am absolutely saying this is a person
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who has to first of all go to therapy three times a week and my therapist has to remind me of this
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every single time and has for 14 years. Yeah. But it's that we don't have to, quote unquote, control our feelings.
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They're going to be there no matter what we do. There's no getting away from it.
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Even if you put pharmaceuticals over them, they're still there and they're festering,
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which is worse. They're accumulating. They're just going to wait. The backseat of the car full of trash is just going to fill up.
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So you might as well. And you can get the practice of this. what's happening to me right now happens to every single person and the practice is let them come
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through observe allow and don't make any decisions about like yourself or what you should be doing no
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no sudden moves as those feelings come and go if possible it's not always possible and then and
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and then later on decide what those feelings were a little indicator for like where were you in that
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moment really yeah like what it is yeah instead of like criticizing i feel so jealous well then i
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must be jealous and that means i must love that person and hate that person yeah no no jealousy
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is like it's just going like oh you must feel a lack of something right it's a mirror parts of
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your life back on you really jealousy oh oh it's all mirror work it's all mirror work
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we're in a fucking fun house of mirrors and stuck inside so it's like the feelings
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just keep coming I hate a maze I love being amazed but being in a maze even a corn maze
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they're fun corn maze no that sounds like claustrophobia city to me I can't even go in fucking dressing rooms
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so I feel like a corn maze. You know that A dressing room made of corn If you made me change in that fucking corn maze I would lose my shit No I legit wear like take off your dress really quick
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I wear clothes so that I can go to like a weird corner of a store with the weird mirror that no one's around.
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And just like I'm not flashing anyone. I'm just I just can't go in a fucking dressing room.
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They stress me out. Huh. Too small. Is that the situation? I think I have a little claustrophobia.
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Yeah. And I'm special. I have clostrophobia. Oh, that reminds me, speaking of not being special, but in a really good way, I listen to I know I mentioned this podcast a lot, but it's because it's like changed my life is the cure for chronic pain, which you don't have to have chronic pain.
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But it helps. That's the that's the motto. It helps to have chronic pain. But the point is, is that chronic pain is just you holding trauma and like how we say, like what we were just talking about is holding instead of having rage.
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And if you don't let that rage out, if you don't let that sorrow out, if you don't let that trauma out, it's going to turn into back pain.
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It's going to I'm not explaining this well, but no, no, I think it's quite clear.
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Yeah. So the issues is in the tissues, as they say. There was an episode. that. It's a thing. That's for people with chronic, like who have chronic pain is that
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you're keeping your issues in your body. You got to make, I think that's a bumper sticker.
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Okay. This is episode 112 of the cure for chronic pain. And this listener called in and was,
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or like wrote in and was like, here's my situation. And, and who's the woman who's
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the host who's now become my friend, Nicole Sachs, is it's an incredible episode of how
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how to heal trauma. And this woman had like fibromyalgia, and she cured her pain, and then
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suddenly was left with the actual emotions from her traumatic childhood. And essentially, what it
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is, is like, you're not special, you know, like you're not any you feel alone in your trauma,
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you're not. And that's what like Al-Anon is for, which I plan on going to. And I don't know,
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it's just a really great episode. 112. Yeah, that's great. Yeah. Yeah. All that is very true. And it's also, I think a lot of people really go way the fuck out of their way
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to not feel pain that they're afraid to feel. And that was, I think we've talked about that before.
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My therapist loves saying it already happened. You actually already survived. You survived the
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hard part. It's your mind telling you no time has passed. You haven't grown. You're not an adult.
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You can't handle it. You're still in danger. Right. And you're and you're and you have to
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truly sit there with yourself, allow those feelings and go, is is my life being threatened?
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No. Am I can I take care of myself? Yes. Have I gotten myself here? Yes. Like, let it come on
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through. How long have you ever cried? Three days? No big deal. Just rehydrate. I thought you were
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to say three minutes. And I was like, yes, that's the longest time I've ever cried.
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Oh, no. You do a long weekend of weeping? It's almost, though, like, and this is going to sound sappy, like Elvis has given
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me another gift in that I've been crying over missing him and what he meant to me a lot.
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But it's like a healing cry, you know? And that's been... And then I get to hug a puppy,
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a cookie puppy while it's happening. So it's just a... Yeah, it's like... As much as it hurts and it's hard, it's like another gift.
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Well, also, that's just real life. Like, you're in the game here. When you're doing stuff like that and actually feeling it, it's like, I remember you saying when I very first met you, if Elvis dies, I'm going to die.
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Yes. And then I was just like, shit, I already started this podcast with her. That was a bit extreme.
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Really? I know. No, no, I'm making fun of you. But no, no, no. I knew I knew I knew what you were trying to tell me was this is like because because it was when he was starting to go to the vent all the time.
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Yeah. And it was this thing that I know that you were like pre-stressing. Yes. And that's what we do to ourselves.
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I do it, too. We all do it where you you look at the thing and you go, I can't lose this.
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I if I if I lose this ABCD and E and F will happen to me. Yeah. Which is you telling yourself scary stories because you think it's going to help you control the world.
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Right. And it does. And I did have my old therapist who ended up actually taking her life.
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So that was like what she told me, which I don't think she maybe herself didn't understand, was you've survived all these other things since then.
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Why? Because you have tenacity. And when you actually get there, you just deal with it and you're able to deal with it.
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And I think it was a thing of like, well, what I told Elvis is I need 16 years. So back then at 11 years, I couldn't have handled it.
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You know, it was too soon. 16 years is a gift for a cat's life or an animal's life.
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And so I got through it. Yeah. And he gave you enough time. And then you kind of got to, the thing I was talking to my therapist about this morning is,
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it's like when you have a thing that means a lot to you that you can tell you have to let go of,
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or you owe an idea of a thing, an idea of a person that you kind of have to let go of,
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that it served you. The idea of this person served you for a little while, but you realizing
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holding onto it as this thing, it actually isn't is not serving you. Yeah. So allowing the other
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thing to have its own to be its own being and to be what it is going to be and you have no control
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and that's big and scary. Well, my point is that basically on your side of things, letting go of
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that you don just let go of it and drop it and whatever I said it kind of like it feels to me like that thing in Raiders of the Lost Ark where you have to replace the idol with the bag of sand
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You have to like basically ease off this thing slowly and then have something else better than a bag of sand to replace it with.
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So that, that, you know, so that little pedestal doesn't drop into the ground and release the giant
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boulder. So you kind of have like, you have to go, go easy on yourself because you needed that thing for a reason.
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You projected onto that thing for a reason, whatever your situation, you have to give yourself kind of like the love to go,
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okay, you just need something. That's fine. Get figure something else out. Well,
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I think that something for me now is just gratitude, which I think is a good place.
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I'm not good at it, but I'm striving to make it be gratitude. You know, I'm like reminding myself constantly.
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that it's gratitude that it's gratitude that's like and there's a reason that you're going through
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the shit you're going no there's not there's no reason it's all fucking crazy you know this world
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is has no point and no meaning so the best thing you can do is like is take care of yourself and
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gratitude is a really great way to do that you know and there's no meaning you're focusing on
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gratitude there's plenty of meaning because the meaning is what you give it yeah it doesn't have
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to be some kind of like gods over here handing you a bunch of like a cornucopia fruit right it's
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just random shit that you can give meaning to by going i appreciate that this random set of
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circumstances happened to me yeah like it's just a hard thing to get to and and there's a lot of
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grief to dig out your dig yourself out i'm not talking about myself with a cat talking about
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people who lose children and people who go through monumental trauma and and don't see an end to it
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you know well sure sure that's but that i think that's like that's what i'm saying monumental
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trauma is it is like the price of admission that's what we're here for we're never going to escape it
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yeah and it's and contextually yes there are people who have lost that we can't believe that's
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what this podcast is about, telling stories of loss that you can't believe. But contextually,
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we experience similar things in smaller ways, but to us in similar ways. Yes. So it is that
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kind of thing where you can't, you know, you can't get into a habit of comparing trauma,
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right? Because there's because the context means it's all big to the person that it's happening to.
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if there's nothing bigger happening. Don't dismiss your experiences by going, oh, but there's this other thing and it's way worse.
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It's just like, hey, it's bad for everybody. It's bad for everybody in lots of fucking ways.
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It really is. Steven's clapping. It really is. Amen. Oh, wait, let me cap that with something nice.
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I wish you would. Okay, so here's something nice that'll cap this off just for talking about gratitude, talking about whatever.
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Because I think we don't get. I forget this part of things of what we're doing. So this was a this was a piece of mail that got dropped off along with a bunch of other mail because we don't pick up our mail very often in an office anymore.
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Here in quarantine. We're all on our little weird islands. So I opened this box and there was a car. There's beautiful things in it and there's two of everything.
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So you've got some cool shit coming your way. I love it. Love presents. All right. And I open this card and it says, Karen in Georgia, I want to thank you for literally changing my life. After your shout out of this is actually happening in August, my audience quadrupled overnight. After eight years producing this little show by myself with a microphone, a walk in closet and a vision, you've allowed me to do the impossible. Quit my job.
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become a wondery original and devote myself full time to my true passion, fulfilling a decade long dream I never thought would come true.
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At a time when everything was in flux, you can't imagine how much this has meant to me.
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Here is a very small token of my appreciation for your generous words and your pioneering talent with overwhelming gratitude.
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Thank you, Wit. and that's the host Whit Wesseldyne the host of This Is Actually Happening
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an incredible podcast some very fancy drinking chocolates and fancy biscuit things
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it's like a little gourmet box and then some real cute This Is Actually Happening stickers
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love it so I hope you're not offended that I just read that out loud but it really
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I opened it last night and then just laid on the bed staring at it because it made me so happy
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I thought it was so, so nice. Well, his being offended about you reading it will then equal and cancel out our offense that it's not on exactly right.
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And instead of Wondery, but that's OK. But hey, Wondery is a great place and we get it.
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Yes. Yes, they are. That's lovely. I love it. It's been so weird because since we're not touring, I feel like that was I didn't realize that that was our access to the audience and to the listeners.
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and not just, you know, the live shows, but afterwards at the meet and greet where we meet
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a hundred fucking incredible people that we get to have interactions with and remember that we're
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talking to someone other than each other. Yeah. You know, and so I kind of miss out. I think we
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miss out on that a lot, but, um, but it's there and we have to, you know, there has to be a point
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to all of this because it's very, it's a lot. Uh, there has to be a point it's more than just getting on the iTunes top 20
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there's got to be something else hey listen as we all know completely manipulable manipulable it is it's it that's the that's an algorithm you can fuck with
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if you so choose to and if you so choose to and want to rate review and subscribe to all your
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favorite podcasts yes uh yeah yeah oh well if you do need something to take you out of your trauma
00:24:20
and just like distract you vince and i have been like going back to the terrible like early 2000
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not politically correct anymore movies. Legally Blonde holds the fuck up. Does it really? I don't know if I've
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ever watched it. Karen! I haven't had it either. And I was like, do you want to watch something else?
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He's like, no, let's watch this. And then we started watching Legally Blonde 2. Doesn't hold up.
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But and then also MacGruber, which I had never seen. Oh, yeah. Which is just it's so Leslie
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Nielsen style ridiculousness. I saw that Definitely saw it in the theater. I may have gone to like a premier party.
00:25:01
Brag. This is a bragging corner. Red carpet. Karen on the red carpet. My best friend, McGruber.
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It's really stupid, fun, funny, you know? Yes. And there's truly no better person, like no cooler man and no funnier person than Will Forte.
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I mean, he genuinely. Is he cool? good fucking he's the best he's genuinely nice and genuinely cool and the kind of person that
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yeah he's just he's a he's a true uh he's a true gentleman and talent we love who's funnier than
00:25:41
that what about the um i think you should leave sketch where he's the old man on the airplane
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did you see that no oh oh from snl no no have you watched tim robinson's sketch show i think
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you should leave? Not the whole thing. Oh, yeah. But I love Tim Robinson. I need you to get off the mic right
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now. Tim Robinson. From Detroiters, which is one of the best shows on the planet.
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Yeah. And yes, please go. Can I tell you that sketch like the second we're done?
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It's one of the funniest sketches ever. Okay, I'll watch it. I have a little crush on Sam Richardson.
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Do you know that from Detroiters? Oh, yeah. He's a beautiful man. I saw him. Sorry, another brag, but
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I saw him in like 2012, I think. Oh, wow. He was at Second City. Wow. In a show where he was so fucking good.
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Like he was such a standout in this show. And everyone in the group was really good.
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2012. Wow. Yeah, yeah. Long ago. Katie Rich was in it too, who was a very talented writer and a cool lady.
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There was a bunch of, and apparently Tim Robinson was also in that group, but he just wasn't there that night.
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but yeah well here's a brag he's a hot i saw him uh we were at i was at a dance it was the trilogy dance night of like the cure and like all these like that timey you know music
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yeah but like was it the current two years ago that's because that's recent because the last
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year doesn't count um at a dance night and i was there with emily and kumail who are braggy brag
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who are friends with him and he walked up and i went and everyone was like oh sam's here and i
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went yay like we were friends and then i was like oh fuck he doesn't know who i am turn away
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and i was so embarrassed so embarrassed what was his reaction he must have laughed i don't even think he acknowledged me
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like we were like oh he's here nope you don't know him you don't know him you don't know him
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shut shut up hey it's i think it's cool to fan out on people i'm hot right now yeah that's pretty okay
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i feel it stop it okay i was gonna tell you about that i just started this podcast
00:28:04
it's called Evil by Design it's yet another hit from the CBC they don't give a fuck they just
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keep making hit podcasts love it and this was recommended to me by none other than Letterkenny's Jacob Tierney
00:28:21
who has very good taste has become my very best quarantine friend and I take his ideas and talk
00:28:31
about them all the time on this podcast and never give him credit. And I know he listens so well.
00:28:37
I'm finally giving him credit. Letterkenny, great show. Letterkenny, everyone's favorite show.
00:28:43
It's season nine, I believe they're in. Yeah, just they're legendary Canadian comedy people.
00:28:51
But this podcast, Evil by Design, is about this designer named, I believe it's Peter Nygaard.
00:28:59
And this fucking guy is like the Canadian version of Jeffrey Epstein. times a thousand oh that's like way more victims it's super crazy and i've i think i'm on episode
00:29:10
two right now it's a super mind-blowing story and really awful murder by design evil by design
00:29:18
evil by design yeah all right i'm into that because yeah i mean i'm not into it it's horrible
00:29:24
but i've never heard of him that sounds cool yeah did you so there's euphoria is on a break
00:29:31
It seems like that incredible show on HBO, but they had to a two part special. And one is just about Rue.
00:29:38
And then the other is just about Jules. And I think I haven't watched that one yet.
00:29:43
She's in therapy, just one on one. And then the one with Rue with Zendaya. So it's her with her like AA sponsor, Coleman Domingo, who's this incredible actor and deserves a fucking Emmy for this.
00:29:54
Both of them. It one of the best hours of TV And it so powerful I had to stop because they talking about addiction and depression and feeling worthless in that And if you have those issues I say you should watch it
00:30:08
If you have if you have those issues and family members who don't get it, which is such a normal thing, which perpetuates this cycle because you feel worthless.
00:30:17
So you might as well keep using. Yeah, it is so powerful. and it's so incredible
00:30:23
and it touched me in such an incredible way so Euphoria the special episode one and I'm so excited I mean I needed
00:30:33
a break before episode two if it's just as fucking powerful which I'm sure it is because Hunter is such an
00:30:39
incredible performer so like it's just it's just so it's so heavy and incredible that whole I mean
00:30:47
they put together an ensemble that can't BB. Totally. I mean, it feels like it's supposed to be a teenager's show, but it's fucking not.
00:30:55
I watched it because I just wanted to hang out with some teenagers. And here I am in the midst
00:31:00
of very adult problems and situations. Yeah. This ain't no fucking Saved by the Bell. I don't know.
00:31:06
What's the equivalent these days? I think you nailed it. I do love the makeup, though. I really
00:31:13
it's like that kind of show that gives you an it's like, what do you want? An unbelievable,
00:31:17
powerful and heart-wrenching storyline. Okay, here. Do you want really good visuals? Like just everybody
00:31:23
being a little bit perfectly beautiful in their own flawed way? But that also helps the narrative of the characters
00:31:29
because you're like, oh, this is the kind of person you are. I get it. Which makeup,
00:31:33
which everyone knows makeup can do. That's very true. Yeah, what else? What do you got?
00:31:41
I think that's all I got. I'm listening to the audiobook book for American Gods by Neil Gaiman, which I've listened to before. And I just, it's such a nice
00:31:52
distraction. It's like a fairy tale. It's like a dark fairy tale almost. I highly recommend it.
00:31:58
Yeah. I am actually reading a book that a friend of the show, Dave Anthony's wife,
00:32:04
Heather gave me. And hi, she's also a listener and friend of the show. And Heather is a psychologist too, isn't she?
00:32:12
Yes, she is. So that's how she's married to Dave Anthony. I'm totally joking. She gave me this beautiful set of books as a as a housewarming gift that was I think you probably have seen them at my house. They're from the 50s. And it's murders from Los Angeles, murders from Chicago, murders from remember that. Did you ever see that? And they're like, is it a time life book?
00:32:40
no no uh no but it's almost like the 1952 version of that for almost like true a true crime series
00:32:47
so they have the almost like the right library plastic wrap on the outside yeah i love that
00:32:53
plastic wrap i kind of i didn't have a book around and i needed like actual book to fall
00:32:59
asleep with yeah like i can't i can't do audio because then i have a very strange dream um
00:33:05
And so I pulled this book off the shelf. I was like, why am I not actually reading these?
00:33:10
I'm just using them as like decorations. Oh, I have a hundred of those. Yeah. So I pulled down the Los Angeles one and it's so good.
00:33:18
It's just true crime stories. And from, I think it's like the twenties, thirties, forties, fifties in Los Angeles.
00:33:25
And it got, I was three chapters in and now it's on Charles Desmond, the director.
00:33:33
Who got shot by. I did that for a live show in L.A., right? Yes. And it's Norma Desmond was at his house.
00:33:41
Norma Desmond was named. Norma Desmond from Sunset Boulevard was named after these characters.
00:33:48
So it's something Desmond something. William Desmond Taylor. Yes. Thank you. William Desmond Taylor is his professional name, but that's not his actual real name.
00:34:01
Did you know any of this part? Probably back then that I forgot. now what this he basically had a mysterious life before he became a director in hollywood in the
00:34:11
20s that no one knew about that came to light when this thing came it was it's just the kind
00:34:17
of thing where so the um person who put the story together it's just basically all the news stories
00:34:23
so it's almost like any theory any whatever what people said it's not like gossip here here's a
00:34:30
here's a thing that came out and people got all into and then it just disappeared.
00:34:34
Blah, blah, blah. That his brother was actually his, his dad, um, butler. Oh, you know, the stories where it's like his sister was actually his mom and raised
00:34:45
and she got pregnant at a young age. And so she was family secrets. Yeah. This has, I'm only like a little bit into it, but anyway, it's just kind of a real good.
00:34:55
Um, and I don't think anyone can buy this book. It seems like a fucking great recommendation.
00:35:01
Yeah, it's one of the worst recommendations I've ever done. Thanks, Heather. Thank you for the lovely gift.
00:35:06
I love it. I love it. I think that's all I oh, my new my new meditation is just videos of people up close painting their nails.
00:35:18
The most ASMR relaxing OPI on Instagram. The lovely nail polish company has really trying to get free stuff.
00:35:27
I'm trying to get free shit from OPI. They have these like close up nail polish, polishing perfect in the lines.
00:35:38
And it's just it's just so relaxing. Also, how do they do it? Because every time I go to paint my own nail, you look like a fucking 10 year old child.
00:35:46
For real. It's sad, except for like my old trick. I mean, everyone, everybody. But my old trick when we would do live shows is I would just do silver because you can get away with silver Everywhere No one can really tell And it looks a little bit fancy But if you actually can see up close it just like I just basically painting the tops of my fingers
00:36:06
I actually I'm I hate no brag. I'm really good at it because it is one of my like anti-stress
00:36:15
things. And then I peel it off. And that's my other anti-stress thing is peeling and nail polish.
00:36:21
It's like my zit popping video. Now, but doesn't that mess up your nails? Absolutely.
00:36:27
So does. But stress messes up my brain. And so to pick one or the other. OK, yes.
00:36:34
Those are your only two choices. And that's it. I guess you have to. And that's it.
00:36:38
OK. And I have nothing else. We're solving problems for everybody on this show. And then we'll get out of your hair.
00:36:46
All right. And then we're going to get out of your hair. Speaking of hair and getting out of it, should we do Exactly Right News?
00:36:53
I thought you were going to do another plug. Yes, we should absolutely do. Guys, just here's the thing.
00:36:59
If you want to know what's going on the network, it's getting to the point now where we have so many podcasts that we would really love it if you'd go on to exactly right.com.
00:37:07
Because there is where you will find most of the information. I think it's exactly right.
00:37:12
Media.com. Is it media? Stephen, have you ever gone on our website before? It's on my homepage, actually.
00:37:20
Is it pretty? It's beautiful. It's all the rainbow colors. It's on his homepage, Stephen.
00:37:28
Yeah, exactlyrightmedia.com. Exactlyrightmedia. Yes. And then also on iTunes, you can click on
00:37:35
networks. And so if you go to exactlyright the network, it shows how to work things.
00:37:42
You're probably in your 20s. I'm the one that doesn't. But anyway, what we're saying is
00:37:48
this part, we want to make it fresh and fun for you, but also basically it's like reading
00:37:54
the TV guide. That's right. That's not the TV guide. Well, on this podcast will kill you, the fucking hit
00:38:02
podcast, Aaron and Aaron cover, I think this is fascinating, the ins and outs of organ transplantation,
00:38:09
which as a donor, as a potential donor one day, do you have the donor? Oh, did you mark that on your license?
00:38:16
I did. Take whatever you need. why do I fucking care I think that's just a fascinating
00:38:23
topic how does it work and then when you hear the stories of people like did you see the photo of the
00:38:29
mom and dad listening to the heart of the person who got their son's heart when he passed away
00:38:35
and they're crying and he just like let them take a stethoscope and listen to their son's heart in his chest
00:38:41
sorry did this just happen to you no it just touched me. I saw the video or a photo of it. We should
00:38:51
put it on the Instagram. It's so beautiful. Does that make sense? Yes, it does. You look...
00:38:57
We're talking about this podcast, but you're just talking about a thing you remembered of that
00:39:02
happening? Uh-huh. Oh, okay. I thought basically you listen to the podcast and then on
00:39:09
it they mention this thing. No. I was confused. No. I was too, clearly. But this podcast
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will kill you. Excellent podcast. Also, because it's Black History Month, Millie and
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Danielle on I Saw What You Did are covering Black directors, actors, other artists in the
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film industry. So this week, they're doing the films To Sleep With Anger from 1990 and Penitentiary,
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which is from 1979. I Saw What You Did has a five-star rating. It's really nice.
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00:43:24
really pretty fascinating. It was started by a woman whose Twitter handle is at T Spoonie,
00:43:30
T-E-E underscore Spoonie, Spoonie with an I-E, and her name's Tiana slash Crip Gossip Girl.
00:43:38
And she wrote, when y'all inevitably talk about Harriet Tubman this month, let's not leave out
00:43:43
the fact that she was disabled and then goes on to explain how Harriet Tubman had epilepsy,
00:43:51
possibly narcolepsy. So when she was moving people along the Underground Railroad, there were times
00:43:59
where she would actually say, and if I like, if I basically have one of my spells go on without me.
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Wow. And this was a thing she had to deal with basically all her life. And so as I got into this
00:44:13
into this thread. And basically, let me read the rest of these posts that this woman wrote,
00:44:19
because it's pretty fascinating. She wrote, and if anyone questions you about it, ask them what
00:44:22
they think having regular seizures as a result of head trauma that caused you to lose consciousness
00:44:27
for any amount of time with no warning is. And then she wrote, and also, please don't do that
00:44:32
weird inspiration thing y'all do with disabled people. She was amazing because of her achievements,
00:44:37
not because she achieved it, quote unquote, in spite of being disabled. So basically,
00:44:42
it opens this discussion, which is really cool, because then it's a combination of people going,
00:44:48
I had no idea. How come we never get taught anything like this? What's wrong with the
00:44:52
American school system? And then there's a bunch of other people who know about it and are adding
00:44:57
to it. And so apparently from learning from this thread, which is pretty amazing, she was hit in
00:45:03
the head with with like a weight, some kind of a measuring weight by a slave owner who was trying
00:45:12
to throw this weight at an escaping boy who was being slave traded. And she basically was trying to get in the middle so he could get away.
00:45:22
And she got hit in the head with this weight. And then she basically, it was like brain trauma.
00:45:27
And so for the rest of her life, she had seizures and or narcolepsy. But she would describe them as spells.
00:45:35
And she interpreted what she would see and the things that would happen while she was out unconscious as messages from God.
00:45:45
So it actually there's no in spite of her disability because it actually was, you know, the thing that kind of inspired her and guided her while she was doing all of this amazing work.
00:45:56
Then people start talking about all this other stuff that she did and how she was in general.
00:46:01
She's made a general and she won this battle. like when the only women to win a battle and it was just it's a really cool thread of a bunch of
00:46:10
people who were the people who have the information are thrilled to share it and then there's a bunch
00:46:15
of other people going how come twitter is the one place i learned you know black history the most i
00:46:20
mean whatever so in the middle of this thread someone whose uh twitter handle is at co pony
00:46:28
So CO underscore pony wrote and it was hashtag no coup 2021. They wrote, I learned about this guy today, epic beyond hero, war injuries and still helped save France from the Nazis.
00:46:41
And then she posted this a picture and like this little thing that was basically a post from Instagram.
00:46:48
And so I looked at it and it was someone I have never seen before and never heard the name of before.
00:46:53
So I figured it would be a good time to tell you about a man named Eugene Ballard, the world's first black fighter pilot.
00:47:02
Karen, fucking killing it. It was I mean, look, some good things happen on social media.
00:47:07
We have to remember. And it still is. It's pretty mind blowing that I'm a 50 year old woman and still learning about things like this.
00:47:16
Sure. So it's kind of exciting. And I appreciate all those people that participated in this insane epic thread that goes on and on.
00:47:25
I mean, there's a bunch of suggestions in here, too, of other people where I was just like, all right, this one down, too.
00:47:32
Love it. So here's some of the sources. There's a book called All Blood Runs Red, The Legendary Life of Eugene Ballard, Boxer Pilot, Soldier, Spy, by Phil Keith and Tom Clavin.
00:47:44
clavin the smithsonian national air and space museum website which is a legit.edu a website
00:47:51
called the bitter southerner there was an article on that called the vanishing stories of the
00:47:55
bellard brothers by an uh journalist named jeremy redmond um PBS series American Experience has an article on the PBS website called The Two Lies of Eugene
00:48:05
Bullard. And of course, the Wikipedia. And there is an article in the Sag Harbor Express,
00:48:12
a journalist named Annette Hinkle called Meet the Amazing Eugene Bullard. Great. All right.
00:48:18
So what's interesting is that if you took one of the elevators at Rockefeller Center at any point
00:48:23
between 1954 and 1959, there was a chance that you could be standing next to a great American
00:48:29
hero. But it was a secret. Nobody knew about it until December of 1959, when the producers
00:48:36
at the Today Show that still had its original host learned that just two months prior, on
00:48:43
October 9th, 1959, a local man named Eugene Bullard had just been named a Chevalier de
00:48:51
la Légion d'Honneur, which is France's highest award for military service. Wait, so are you saying he was he was the elevator operator?
00:49:00
Yes, I am. Wow. Yes, I am. Fuck. OK. So so the producers of the Today Show realized that not only does this man live in New York, but he's the elevator operator in the very building where the Today Show is filmed.
00:49:16
Sorry, I spoiled that. It's OK. That's all right. That's what everyone else is doing, too.
00:49:23
So it's fine. OK. So they go to Eugene Ballard and they ask him to be a guest on the Today Show.
00:49:30
So on December 22nd, 1959, Eugene Ballard takes the stage wearing his elevator operator uniform.
00:49:38
Wait, should I? I'm going to send you. I'm going to post this picture. Look at look at the picture because there's a beautiful black and white photo of him and the original host of the Today Show.
00:49:49
Let me look at that. So he so you see he wears his uniform on stage and he brings his military medals and all his military awards that he's ever won in a display case.
00:50:00
And he sits down and begins to tell the host all about his life. And America finally meets a hero that no one's ever heard of before, because it turns out that this man, not he not only fought in not one but two world wars.
00:50:19
But he is the world's first black fighter pilot. And this is almost 20 years after World War Two ended.
00:50:26
And so he's been. Oh, yeah. Under the radar this whole time. Entirely. And this piece of his life that's so incredible is truly a drop in the bucket to what I'm about to tell you.
00:50:37
OK, so let me tell you all about the life of Eugene Ballard. So his father, William Ballard, is born into slavery in Columbus, Georgia in 1863.
00:50:49
But two years later, the abolition of slavery happens in 1865. And so he becomes a free man, a free baby.
00:50:57
And in 1882, at age 19, William marries Josephine Yokely Thomas, who's a 17-year-old indigenous woman who is from the Creek tribe who lives nearby.
00:51:09
Together, they have 10 children. And Eugene is the seventh child. He's the seventh son.
00:51:15
So his father always thought that he was lucky. He was lucky and special. And this family is very poor. And the conditions at home make it hard to care for 10 kids. Three of the children don't make it past infancy. But William is a very strong man. He's a very determined worker. He's six foot five, weighs about 250 pounds, takes any job that anyone will hire him for.
00:51:42
And he starts working at the local docks and in the warehouses along the river. And he gets the nickname Big Ox for, of course, his stature, but also for his work ethic.
00:51:52
In the 1890s, William gets steady work under a white cotton broker named William C. Bradley.
00:51:59
And Bradley actually treats William well by 1890s standards, which causes the rest of the white workers to be very angry and to resent William.
00:52:11
because he's favored and he makes the same wages that white workers make. And that makes these white men.
00:52:19
1890. That's like progressive for those standards. Yeah, it is. In 1901, young Eugene starts school at Columbus's 28th Street School.
00:52:29
Much like the rest of the community, this school suffers from a lack of money and supplies.
00:52:35
Eugene spends five years there. He learns to read and write and do math. But he eventually he gets the equivalent of a second grade education.
00:52:44
The year after he starts school in August of 1902, his mother dies suddenly at just 37 years old, right before Eugene's seventh birthday.
00:52:54
So the older Bullard children have to take on the household chores. They have to watch the younger kids and they all have to get jobs so they can help support support the family.
00:53:03
when he's young Eugene describes himself as as trusting as a chickadee and friendly
00:53:09
and he quote loved everybody and thought everybody loved me he plays with kids of all races in his neighborhood
00:53:18
but as they grow up get older he starts to realize not everyone is actually his friend
00:53:23
and soon the white kids stop playing with him and his father and his siblings have to teach him
00:53:29
about the racial divides and injustices in this country so because Eugene's father William's background his people are actually from Martinique
00:53:39
so they have you know they have a lot of exposure to French culture and his father has a utopian
00:53:48
view of France even though he's never visited the country he gives his kids the impression
00:53:53
that in France all people are treated equally regardless of their race and Eugene who craves equality and that idea of that very fair and just utopia he longs to travel to France
00:54:08
So around this time, there's a man at Eugene's father, William's work named Billy Stevens, and he is the one that hates William the most.
00:54:17
He gives him the worst and hardest tasks, hoping to break him. But William's spirit cannot be broken.
00:54:25
He happily does his job. He carries his wisdom home to his kids. He says, if I have to hit Stevens, I want you all to be good children.
00:54:34
Always show respect to each and every one, white and black, and make them respect you.
00:54:39
Go to school as long as you can. Never look for a fight. I mean, never. But if you are attacked or your honor is attacked unjustly, you fight and you fight and you keep fighting, even if you die for your rights, because it will be a glorious death.
00:54:54
So Williams at good attitude in the face of mistreatment just makes Billy Stevens even angrier.
00:55:01
So on one day in 1904, Stevens approaches William, accusing him of basically tattling to the to the big boss about Stevens behavior.
00:55:12
So William decides he's going to ignore Billy. Billy takes that as disrespect, grabs an iron hook that it's used for carrying cotton bales, and he whacks William on the side of the head, leaving a huge bloody gash.
00:55:26
William Ballard stumbles to his feet. He picks Stevens up over his head and throws him into a cellar.
00:55:35
Stevens lands with such an intense thud that the surrounding workers think he's dead.
00:55:40
But he's not. He's hurt. And of course, he's very badly embarrassed. So William goes to the big boss, Bradley, tells him what happens. Bradley tells William to go home, lay low. He's going to take care of it. And Bradley has a doctor check on Stevens to make sure he's OK.
00:55:58
And he tells Stevens that if he doesn't keep quiet about the situation, he'll lose his job.
00:56:04
But there were too many witnesses. Word travels fast. And soon an angry, drunken lynch mob gathers at a nearby saloon and heads for the Bullards home.
00:56:14
So, of course, Williams anticipating this mob because this is standard fare in the Jim Crow South.
00:56:22
He directs all the kids to hide under their bed. while he keeps post behind the front door with a loaded shotgun in his hand.
00:56:30
And this drunken mob surrounds the house. They're screaming. They're banging on the doors.
00:56:35
And of course, Eugene is scared to death. Eventually, the family, the lights are off.
00:56:41
The family's silent. So the mob eventually figures that the Billards have run off and they leave.
00:56:47
And this has this moment and this fear and witnessing such a hideous thing. of course marks Eugene forever so he's hell-bent now on finding a place where quote white people
00:57:01
treated color people like human beings so he makes several attempts to run away but his dad
00:57:08
catches him every almost every time um but in 1906 at age 11 he sells his goat and cart for a dollar
00:57:16
50 packs up some food and a few belongings and hikes his way along the train tracks headed east
00:57:23
Jesus. But before his dad can catch up with him, Eugene meets a kind family. They give him a dollar and that enables him to buy a train ticket to Atlanta.
00:57:32
Eleven. Eleven years old. And he finally makes his getaway. So in Atlanta, he finds a number of odd jobs, basically, you know, making himself some cash.
00:57:44
So he he he gets a job. He starts hanging around some stables because there's a lot of horse racing in Atlanta and he works there long enough.
00:57:58
And then he basically gets moved up to being a jockey because he's little. He can ride a horse.
00:58:04
So he becomes a jockey. And he's that young. It's not awesome. And he's good at it.
00:58:10
He also helps out in a barbershop. He's very charming and smart young man. So strangers like him and they're very kind to him.
00:58:20
So basically, on his father's advice, he makes people respect him with his friendly demeanor and his hard work.
00:58:28
And that helps him survive. One day in his early teens, he has a chance meeting with a band of English travelers who are outcast wanderers themselves.
00:58:38
So they welcome him into their band with open arms. and he's hopeful that these Englishmen will take him with them when they go back to England,
00:58:46
which would bring him one step closer to getting to France. But then when they tell Eugene that they're planning to stay in America for another couple
00:58:53
years, he's disappointed. He parts ways with them, wanders around Georgia a little while longer,
00:59:00
working odd jobs. Then a friend tells him if he can get to Virginia, he can get onto a big ship
00:59:07
that is that'll be traveling overseas um so in 1912 he's now 16 years old and he stows away one
00:59:14
night in the undercarriage of a dining car on the seaboard line passenger and freight train
00:59:19
heading to virginia so he holds on to the underneath of the dining car gets himself
00:59:25
fucking insane oh my god he's got a vision yeah that's what's cool yeah so so he gets to virginia
00:59:33
He finds there's a black family by the name of Hughes who he meets, who gives him a few bucks, tells him that he can find a ship in the city of Newport News.
00:59:43
So he hops another train, rides underneath the car again, makes his way to Newport News, Virginia.
00:59:49
When he gets to the docks, he finds a crew loading goods onto a large ship. And one of the crewmen mistake Eugene for being a worker So Eugene uses that opportunity pretends to be a worker sneaks on board hides between two bales of cotton for two hours until the ship departs
01:00:07
But three hours later, the ship docks again in another Virginia port. So he's like,
01:00:12
thinks he's going to get there. And then he doesn't. He ends up telling one of the crewmen
01:00:17
about that's what he's trying to do. And the crewman decides to help him. So he points Eugene
01:00:22
in the direction of a ship called the Martyr Russ. And he says that ship's crew is German,
01:00:28
but they'll be making other stops on their way and they can use help on board. And sure enough, the crew on the Martyr Russ
01:00:35
welcome Eugene's help. And on March 4th, 1912, Eugene finally sets sail for Europe.
01:00:42
So by law, the shipping crew has to drop stowaways off at the next port they reach,
01:00:48
which in the Martyr Russ's case is Aberdeen, Scotland. But in true Eugene fashion, he spends the two week voyage winning the hearts of the German crew.
01:00:58
He's a hard worker and he's a quick learner. And he ends up picking up the German language from his crewmates.
01:01:04
All right. Yeah. So by the time they reach Scotland, members of the crew chip in to send him off with clothes, supplies.
01:01:12
And the captain pays him twenty five dollars in wages. Wow. Which is huge. And today's money?
01:01:19
A lot. A couple hundred. I didn't look it up. Um, so the Scots receive him well.
01:01:26
Of course, they speak English, but their accent is very difficult for Eugene and everyone else on the planet to understand.
01:01:33
Especially back then. I bet like the conversion rate of the Scottish accent was just incomprehensible.
01:01:40
There was no outside world to kind of expose them to. Oh, my God. Because most Scottish people had never met a black person before.
01:01:49
they all called him Jack Johnson after the famous box. Yeah. Yeah. Eugene takes it as a compliment
01:01:56
and continues to charm his way from Aberdeen to Glasgow. And there he finds himself a cheap room
01:02:02
and he befriends some con men who are running a three card money game outside on the street.
01:02:08
And he gets a job as their lookout. So he whistles whenever the cops come around. And
01:02:13
basically he's just making friends. So in August of 1912, after five months of saving up cash,
01:02:20
he gets himself to Liverpool because he heard he can make more money there. He eventually he tries to get some jobs. He eventually gets work unloading large slabs of
01:02:33
frozen mutton off of incoming ships, which is really brutal work and really exhausting.
01:02:40
But he ends up being able to join the Steve Doerr union, which is Steve Doerr's and Longshoremen are similar, but one involves a crane.
01:02:50
I think I looked it up and I was just like, sorry, what? And that's a disgrace because my grandfather was a Longshoreman.
01:02:58
So I apologize to Longshoremen everywhere. But he was one of the two. I don't know if a crane was involved.
01:03:04
But he is for this job. He is in a union, which means he's making good money. And also he's just getting stronger and stronger because it's backbreaking labor.
01:03:15
During the holiday season of 1912, Eugene goes to Birkenhead, where Liverpool's main amusement park is.
01:03:22
And he spots a game where players throw a ball at someone who pops their head through different holes in the canvas.
01:03:30
So it's basically human whack-a-mole facing the people throwing the ball. And if the person gets hit three times, the player wins.
01:03:40
So Eugene gets an idea because knowing how white people are, he basically tells the guy running the game they'll get more business if the person popping their head through the sheet is black.
01:03:52
It's an upsetting suggestion. But of course, it's right. And many more people play the game.
01:03:59
It brings in a lot more business for the attraction. And Eugene makes bank. So he basically is taking advantage of the racism and ignorance and making money off of it.
01:04:13
He's actually able to quit his job on the on the docks. And he makes triple at this game what he made just by working weekends at the amusement park.
01:04:25
Wow. So he uses his new free time to explore Liverpool. And his favorite place to go is Baldwin's boxing gym.
01:04:35
And he's taken in by the atmosphere, captivated by the boxers who are training for their fights.
01:04:40
He convinces the gym owner, Chris Baldwin, to let him work there during the week and telling him there's no task too small for him to do.
01:04:48
He'll do whatever the guy needs him to do. By February of 1913, Baldwin is so impressed with Eugene's work ethic that he invites him to start training and sparring with the boxers.
01:04:59
So Eugene trains as a lightweight under the name The Sparrow, because even though he's light, he tells Baldwin he can fly like a bird.
01:05:07
So Eugene wins his first 10 round fight, and then he catches the eye of an actual pro boxer who's at the at the fight, Aaron Lister Brown, who's called Dixie Kid.
01:05:19
So the Dixie kid takes Eugene under his wing and has him join his touring company of boxers.
01:05:27
So Eugene agrees. And with Baldwin's blessing and also because Baldwin is Eugene's technical manager, which means he gets a cut of Eugene's wages.
01:05:39
That means that Eugene gets to the sparrow gets to follow his team to London. he moves into the whole Bourne neighborhood of London
01:05:46
where many other black expatriates live and work in all facets of the arts Eugene's
01:05:54
winning personality and ability to perform earns him a spot in Belle davis freedman pickaninnies which is a popular traveling slapstick troupe of black performers and this along with the boxing
01:06:07
pays him well and the job enables him to travel all over uh the globe basically he goes from saint
01:06:15
petersburg to moscow to berlin and finally he gets to go to paris nice so as he imagined he
01:06:22
instantly falls in love with the city. It's late 1913. And the Dixie kid arranges a boxing match
01:06:30
for Eugene in Paris that enables him to officially move there. He continues boxing in Paris. I think
01:06:37
he moved up a couple weight classes. And he also picks up a side gig working at a local music hall.
01:06:43
So between the good wages, good friends, fewer run-ins with racists, Eugene finds himself living
01:06:49
the life he's always dreamed of. So when World War I begins in August of 1914, Eugene feels
01:06:57
compelled to serve the country that's given him the life he dreamed of living. So on October 19,
01:07:03
1914, at the age of 19 years old, Eugene enlists in the French Foreign Legion, which is a branch
01:07:09
of the French military that non-citizens are permitted to join. He's assigned to the 3rd
01:07:14
marching regiment and serves as a machine gunner. This regiment is named the Swallows of Death.
01:07:21
And this is where he picks up his nickname, the Black Swallow of Death. In 1915, he fights
01:07:27
in some of the worst and bloodiest battles in World War I. He's at the front at Somme,
01:07:33
he's at Artois, and he's in the Second Battle of Champagne. And there's a couple places
01:07:42
that list out. I was reading this, but it was so much information. But some of these fights, there was like an 80% death rate.
01:07:52
The death rates were all really high. He survived these horrible battles kind of against the odds.
01:07:58
It's crazy. And he fights with such honor and such vigor that he's transferred from the Foreign Legion
01:08:05
to one of the standard French army units, the 170th Infantry Regiment, so that he can fight at the Battle of Verdun in 1916.
01:08:14
So in the Battle of Verdun, he is horribly wounded. Some of the doctors think he might never be able to walk again.
01:08:22
He's removed from ground combat permanently. But his courage in battle earns him his first military decoration,
01:08:29
which is the Croix de Guerre. So he's sent to Lyon to recover from his injuries.
01:08:36
Then he takes his leave in Paris. And when he's on leave, he's drinking with his friend and his friend is saying, you can never fight.
01:08:46
You can never be a foot soldier again. And he's like, I'm going to fight again. So his friend bets him two thousand dollars that he can that he can't get into the French flying service.
01:09:00
Oh, my God. That's so much money. Two thousand dollars. Who the fuck has that? Even like especially during war.
01:09:06
I know well that they it was basically like he was saying it doesn't matter um Eugene was like
01:09:13
if I can't fight you know yeah be a foot soldier then I'm gonna then I'm gonna be a pilot and the
01:09:18
guy's like no you're not going to that'll never happen he's like yes it will I bet you two thousand
01:09:23
dollars it won't and then he thinks it's a good bet but in actuality yes he's a fucking idiot
01:09:29
because he's talking to Eugene Bullard no even though no black soldier had ever been admitted
01:09:35
before. In November of 1916, Eugene Ballard wins the bet and joins the Aeronautique Militaire.
01:09:44
He starts his training the same year and earns his wings on May 5th, 1917. He spends that night
01:09:50
celebrating with his friends, later saying that, quote, by midnight, every American in Paris knew
01:09:57
that an American Negro by the name of Eugene Ballard, born in Georgia, had obtained a military
01:10:02
pilot's license. Eugene Bullard is now the world's first black combat pilot. Back in America,
01:10:09
no one has a clue about this achievement. So in April of 1917, when America enters the war,
01:10:18
Eugene applies to join the American Expeditionary Forces so he can serve as a pilot
01:10:23
alongside his fellow Americans. But they basically tell him they're not accepting
01:10:30
any more applications, but this is a blatant lie. He's denied admittance because he's black.
01:10:37
But Eugene keeps his head high. He states that he still takes, quote, some comfort knowing
01:10:44
that I was to go on fighting on the same front and in the same cause as other citizens of the
01:10:49
United States. So instead, he sticks with the French divisions. And on June 28th, 1917,
01:10:55
He's promoted to corporal. And in August of the same year, he's assigned to the French Escondrill Spa 93, then to a different Escondrill Spa 85 on September 13th, 1917.
01:11:08
On the side of his plane, he paints an insignia of a heart with a dagger through it.
01:11:13
And below it, he writes, all blood runs red. So during his piloting career, he flies somewhere between 25 to 27 missions.
01:11:23
he takes down two german planes um but the in the battle against the second plane um he actually
01:11:31
chases this uh german plane into territory and no one else sees him shoot the plane down
01:11:37
so he doesn't get credit for for that um for that kill um and in that as he goes down to chase him
01:11:46
his plane gets shot and he crashes miraculously he survives and afterwards his fellow soldiers
01:11:53
come and they count the bullet holes in his plane. There are 78 bullet holes in his plane. He's taken to a
01:12:00
he makes a full recovery after his recovery he serves a little bit longer and then he's
01:12:05
he's discharged in October 24th 1919 so then here's where it gets pretty interesting okay so
01:12:13
that wasn't enough for you yeah after World War I Eugene is awarded the French is awarded French citizenship for his service so he goes back to Paris he goes back to boxing
01:12:24
but his war injuries make it kind of hard. So he does. He's not in as many matches.
01:12:29
So what does he do? You guessed it. He learns to play the drums and he gets himself work as a jazz drummer in a
01:12:36
nightclub called Zellies, which is located in Paris' March district. Yep. With the help of his lawyer friend,
01:12:45
Robert Henry, Eugene scores a license for the nightclub to stay open past midnight,
01:12:50
which is a privilege awarded to no other clubs in Paris at the time. So keeping these late hours quickly makes Zelis a hotspot.
01:13:00
And his popularity at Zelis gives him the opportunity to travel with a jazz band to Alexandria, Egypt,
01:13:07
where he not only performs at the nightclub there, but he also boxes in two prize clubs.
01:13:14
When he returns to Paris, he makes money hiring musicians for the social elites who have private parties.
01:13:20
He also works as a masseuse, an athletic trainer, and he opens his own gym called Boulard's Athletic Club, where he trains boxers, boxers Panama, Al Brown and Young Perez.
01:13:33
I know you're fans of both. In 1923, he marries in some in some articles. She was described as a socialite.
01:13:43
But in one article, I read that she was a countess. And so that's what I'm going with because it's a better story.
01:13:48
Her name was Marcel Stroman. They had two daughters, Jacqueline and Lolita. And those young daughters were often babysat by Eugene's good friend, the great Josephine Baker.
01:14:01
No. Yes, that's his world. Those are the people around him. It's the most storied life I've ever heard.
01:14:09
Insane. Okay, so when Eugene and Marcel break up in 1935, he ends up keeping custody of his daughters.
01:14:14
so after four years Eugene leaves Zellie's nightclub in 1923 to become the manager
01:14:21
the drummer and the maitre d at another nightclub called Lescadrille which is that's the word
01:14:28
for squadron I was saying it earlier pretty badly but that's that's what it meant
01:14:32
so this at this club there's a cast of stars a young Louis Armstrong Josephine Baker
01:14:41
Zelda and F. Scott Fitzgerald Jesus A young Langston Hughes who Eugene actually hires as a dishwasher for a little while.
01:14:50
Langston Hughes as a dishwasher. Okay. Yeah. Ernest Hemingway likes to hang out there.
01:14:56
Sure. He becomes so close with Eugene that Eugene also becomes the inspiration for a jazz drummer character in the novel The Sun Also Rises.
01:15:06
Eugene doesn't just attract stars. He also makes them. One of his club's singers and drummers is a man named Dooley Wilson, who ends up winning the role of Sam, the piano player in the movie Casablanca.
01:15:19
No. Play it again, Sam. This is like, as I was reading this, I was like, this is this is like a real life, actually cool Forrest Gump.
01:15:27
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01:15:38
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01:15:43
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Goodbye. Okay, so now it's the mid to late 1930s. Oh, sorry. All of Eugene's hard work, good business sense, magnetism, friendship, connections pays off.
01:18:24
And by 1928, he's able to buy Le Escadrille for his own. So now he's the owner of this club.
01:18:30
Jesus. So now it's the like mid to late 30s and their Germans start to frequent at a.k.a. Nazis start to frequent this club.
01:18:43
So a friend of Eugene's who is a French policeman knows that Eugene can speak German from his days on the ship.
01:18:52
And so he asks him to help the French resistance to spy on the Germans who come to the club.
01:19:00
Yeah. So, of course, a lifelong patriot of France. Eugene loads the German patrons up with champagne and, of course, pretends he can't understand a word they're saying, listens in on their drunken conversations and reports everything back to the French resistance.
01:19:15
Any info they can get on what the Nazis are doing, according to the authors Phil Keith and Tom Clavin, who wrote Eugene's biography, All Blood Runs Red.
01:19:24
one of many by the way there's probably about five out there Eugene was the first person to tip French authorities off about Germans
01:19:33
Germany's plan to invade Poland but the higher ups ignored the tip. No guys. Okay so in May
01:19:41
of 1940 the Nazis invade France. Eugene answers the call of duty once again joining the 51st Infantry
01:19:49
Regiment. The man is 45 years old and he's like if you if it were me i'd be like hey guess what i already fucking served night night i saw the
01:20:00
worst i saw some terrible shit thanks anyway yeah he's going back he fights in orleans in june on
01:20:08
june 15th 1940 but he's wounded he finds himself in the precarious position of being a black
01:20:15
business owner in german occupied france he's forced to flee to um neutral spain with his
01:20:21
daughters. And from there, he's put onto a steamship back to America with his war injuries
01:20:28
to basically recover back in America after nearly three decades of being abroad.
01:20:35
Wow. He winds up in a New York hospital where he finishes recuperating from his war injuries.
01:20:40
But after all of these accomplishments, all of these sacrifices, all of this bravery,
01:20:46
no one in America knows about it. No one has any idea. No one cares. He maintains his friendships with big stars like Louis Armstrong, but he's it's he's just hanging out.
01:20:59
I think they said for a little while he was a translator, a translator for somebody.
01:21:04
But for the most part, he would just take jobs. He sold perfume. He just took jobs as he could.
01:21:10
Yeah. Because it's still the late 40s in America. Totally. He works security. By the end of World War II, he tries to find out if he can go back to his nightclub, only to find that it's been completely destroyed in the war.
01:21:27
But the French government pays him a settlement so he uses that money to buy himself and his daughters an apartment in Harlem So then in 1949 the singer performer Paul Robeson throws a concert to fundraise for the Civil Rights Congress in Peekskill New York
01:21:44
A lover of both music and, of course, a fighter for racial justice, Eugene goes on August 27th, 1949.
01:21:52
But when he gets there, a mob of white supremacists, many of whom are veterans who fought on the same side of the war as Eugene did.
01:21:59
and many others who are police officers surround the concert goers and start beating them with
01:22:05
baseball bats and throwing stones. Eugene's caught up in the chaos and beaten by these
01:22:10
criminals so badly that he loses vision in his left eye. All in all, 13 people are seriously
01:22:16
injured. None of the attackers are prosecuted. Okay. So by the 1950s, Eugene's daughters have
01:22:24
both married. And so he lives alone in his apartment, surrounded by framed photos of his
01:22:29
famous friends, as well as his 14 military medals. So in 1954, Eugene Ballard is invited back to
01:22:38
Paris by the French government as one of three military heroes asked to relight the everlasting
01:22:45
flame at France's tomb of the unknown soldier. Oh my God. And that same year, he takes the job
01:22:53
was the elevator operator at 30 Rock. One of these things is not like the other. Four years later,
01:23:00
in October of 1959, when he's he is given the honor of Chevalier, which is a knight of the
01:23:06
Legion of Honor at the French consulate, Charles de Gaulle himself is there to bestow the honor.
01:23:12
And he calls Eugene Ballard a true French hero. So two months later, on December 22nd, 1959,
01:23:21
Eugene Ballard goes Is a guest on the Today Show With the original host Dave Garraway
01:23:28
And at last Eugene Ballard has his moment He wins the hearts of his fellow Americans
01:23:34
As he chats with Garraway In his elevator operator's uniform With his case of military medals
01:23:41
And tells his stories Of a life fully and beautifully lived After that appearance
01:23:47
Hundreds and hundreds of letters Pour into the Today Show from viewers who are impressed, touched, and moved by Mr. Ballard's story.
01:23:56
And finally, Eugene Ballard is showered with just a fraction of the accolades he so richly deserves from his fellow Americans.
01:24:04
The next day, Mr. Ballard returns to his post in the elevator at 30 Rock, and he works there until the pains in his stomach that he's been hiding
01:24:14
force him to see a doctor, and he's diagnosed with stomach cancer. Eugene Bullard passes away from this illness on October 12, 1961, just three days after his 66th birthday.
01:24:28
Oh, my God. It took him so quick. This is an excerpt from the 1972 biography, The Black Swallow of Death, the incredible story of Eugene Jacques Bullard, the world's first black fighter pilot by P.J. Carosella and James Ryan.
01:24:45
And it's about the day that Mr. Bullard died. So his friend, who's an author and activist named Louise Fox Connell, went to see him or Connell, sorry, went to see him in the following quote.
01:24:58
She's just referred to as the woman who had been helping him with his memoirs, but her name is Louise Fox Connell.
01:25:04
So the quote is this quote, the woman who had been helping him with his memoirs visited him on the day he died.
01:25:11
She was crying at the bedside where he lay, seemingly lost to the world. he was leaving. Peering her sobs, his consciousness returned from wherever it had been,
01:25:20
and he pulled the tube out of his mouth. He had something to say to her. The old horseman, boxer,
01:25:26
soldier, pilot, spy, club owner, musician, and father turned to his friend and smiled.
01:25:33
Don't fret, honey. It's easy. in 1989 Eugene Ballard is posthumously inducted into the inaugural class
01:25:44
of the Georgia Aviation Hall of Fame on October 23rd 1994 Eugene is posthumously
01:25:52
commissioned a second lieutenant in the United States Air Force 1994 and on October 9th
01:26:00
2019 the Museum of Aviation in Warner Robins Georgia erects a statue in Eugene Bullard's honor.
01:26:07
Oh my god. A hundred years after World War I ends, he finally gets... Yeah, a little crud.
01:26:15
Yeah. So this is from PBS American Experience that article about him It says quote the story of how Eugene Bullard became the first black combat pilot and why his achievement stayed in the shadows for so long is a tale of
01:26:29
alternate realities of what happens when opportunity is offered or denied and ultimately seized
01:26:36
regardless. So this is a beautiful, inspiring story, but it's also a true disgrace that Eugene
01:26:43
Bullard is not a famous historical figure in America. But the good news is that one of Eugene's
01:26:49
descendants, a man named Terrence Chester, has made it his mission to change that. He's been
01:26:54
telling Eugene Bullard's life story and winning awards for it since he was in middle school.
01:26:59
Oh, my God. So there's this really amazing article on a website called The Bitter Southerner that I found. And
01:27:04
it's written about Terrence by this journalist named Jeremy Redman. And in this article, and I
01:27:11
really, really recommend you read it because it's really, it's a really good, very informative,
01:27:17
fascinating article. But in it, the two men discuss the contrasting story of Eugene Ballard
01:27:23
and then Eugene Ballard's oldest brother, Hector. Okay, so this is an excerpt from that
01:27:29
article entitled The Vanishing Stories of the Ballard Brothers. When Eugene ran away, his older brother, Hector, was studying business administration at Morris
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Brown College, a historically black college in Atlanta. Hector was preparing to run a peach farm
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in Fort Valley, one of the biggest in the region. He inherited it from his mother, who inherited it
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from her mother. A white family had cultivated the farm for years, serving as overseers. The
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overseers would send Hector's family money every year, but without any accounting of how the farm
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was performing overall. And Eugene wrote in his memoirs, the family who ran it when Hector inherited it
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could not understand why he should not run the orchard to suit himself the way his father and grandfather had.
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But Hector was determined to manage his own property and was studying to do it right.
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Years later, his attempt to win control of it got him lynched. Short and direct, this last sentence lands
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like one of Eugene's left jabs. With it, Eugene punches his older brother's fate into history and leaves some clues about what happened to Hector.
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To Terrence, that passage reminds him of the painful stories his grandmother told him about white landowners taking advantage of his sharecropping ancestors.
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And that is the story of the world's first black combat pilot and American hero, Eugene Bullard, and his older brother, Hector Bullard.
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It's Black History Month. Black Lives Matter. Black excellence should be recognized and celebrated every day of the year.
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Great job. Thank you. Great. Pretty amazing. Pretty fucking amazing that we don't know that story.
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I am not shocked, sadly, but great telling. Great telling of it. Thank you. Great. Cool.
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Let's fucking look up these stories. They're out there waiting for us. We have to figure them out ourselves because.
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Well, and we can. It's not that hard. Yeah. And people should and, you know, and good.
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