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Hello. And welcome to my favorite murder. That's Georgia Hartstark. That's Karen Kilgariff.
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Hi, guys. Here we are once again. Just a couple of friends. Doing it for you. And here we go.
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Recording a podcast for you. Ooh, ooh. Okay. You know what we should shout out? Huh?
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May I suggest? Please. It's basically almost very soon coming up on the one year anniversary of fucking coronavirus.
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Of the pandemic. Of the world and the beginning of the lockdown. We made it. I mean, we're making it.
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Look, should we just be a little honest? The last time we went to record, it was a bumpy ride for both of us.
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We got 20 minutes in and I said, should we just put up a lot? It was like it was dark thing after dark thing.
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That was just like no one wants to hear dark thing after dark thing. it was it was like it's it was exactly the opposite of what you would go oh i'm gonna
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listen to a podcast right whatever your 17 reasons might be none of them were on this list of this
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stuff we started talking about and it was that kind of thing where it was almost like an amazing
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example of anti-conversation where we both had like our own agendas and it was just like well i
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want to and then we shouldn't do that we shouldn't do what you're what you're saying is not what we
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should be doing right now okay well can i say something and then it turned and then georgia
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goes uh i'm not into this can we do a live show and i was like yes that's the solution that's a
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relief because there was part of me that like just wanted to close my computer and walk away
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because i was like this is so depressing right now and i don't know and then i and then we just
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kept both doubling down and being like well did you watch this and like well did you fucking
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did you drown your sorrows in this did you learn this lesson from this documentary it was just like
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could could we somehow re-approach why we love to do this and it's not about listing shows we
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watch on streaming services it's not and i think that's what like everyone is like we're all just
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like we have nothing left to give you but um suggestions for what is is distracting us from
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the past year. We haven't done anything else. It's much more fun to talk about real things that
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we can both get into instead of like, well, did you watch it or didn't you? That's what
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all podcasts should be called now. Let me challenge you. Did you or not watch it?
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And the answer is always going to be no because we watch completely different fucking styles
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of everything. Yes. However, did you watch? this is the only one I have to ask the Woody Allen is a
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clear and present child molester documentary I did not allegedly I did not okay we'll talk about it next
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sorry I that's exactly what we're not doing moving on not to shut you down and not to be
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conversationally negative look who wants to be in the conversation it's George what's up that's the first time she's ever like actually put her not her her muzzle into the
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conversation you know why i made a deadly mistake what'd you do i usually feed them before i start
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recording excuse me my uh i'm wearing this watch and it says 6 10 right now i will be with you
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shortly i'm wearing a shark a shark watch and i hear you speaking and it's i hear i see that you've
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pulled your uh your pocket watch out of your vest pocket mom i've been learning about boundaries
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And I just want you to know I've been really been triggered lately. I feel like everyone's going through a point in therapy because it's so quiet in our lives.
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You know there like outside noise and desperation but like in our inner lives are quiet And so that my fair Okay So All right So I Vince and I are in the in Ventura California on just I calling it an an Airbnb breather
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That's not good. That's not great. I'm working on it. But it's basically it's basically the idea of let's go stare at different walls because we're so fucking sick of the walls we've been staring at.
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Yeah. And my therapist was like, you're not allowed to read or listen to any self-help books or podcasts on your trip because you've just got to stop it.
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And you just need to read something fun. And you're trying to absorb way too much like self-help learning shit.
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And sometimes it just needs to ruminate. What was my point? That's a good. Well, no, that's the point in and of itself.
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That's a really good point. But you know what it is? you basically went to the coast to basically have a different experience.
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So you actually have to be in that experience. Yeah. Not trying to fix past experiences while you're having a present.
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Right. Not constantly being like, yeah, I canceled my second appointment of the week in therapy
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and I'm just like, here we are. I love that you were like, what the fuck is she doing in Ventura?
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Like it doesn't make any, it's actually a lovely little beach, beachside town. I wasn't like trying to be judgmental about Ventura.
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It's just like, it's just basically like that. It's it's not a destination. Where you when you said that, I was like, she must have a cousin that lives there.
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Something like that. That's the vibe it had. It's to me. It's the quieter, less pretentious.
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No offense. Santa Barbara. Yes. So that's what I forgot that it's right there on the hour away.
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I mean, we really like it here. it's like the one safe thing you can do is either go camping or go to the beach right like go to the
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coast where the empty ocean so nice one i mean that's really nice yeah go suck up some of those
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the negative ions get that good clean air the walls are so different over here there's fucking
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there's like a sea fish seaside uh motif going on with this airbnb person knows who they're
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fucking selling to yeah they're like you we know you're here for this big mouth bass or yeah there's
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The palm frond in the middle. Oh, and we left the puppy at home with our incredible trainer.
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So we're leaving the puppy at home to be better by the time we get back. Like nothing feels better.
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Good luck. Yep. Thank you. So the puppy's supposed to be less of a puppy in two days.
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Well, may I? Yeah. Yeah. Sarah DuBoucher, we believe in you. Oh, speaking of decor, can I do one suggestion?
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Please. What can I sound? that's made me really happy. This can be Decor Corner because I can actually tell you what to.
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Oh, great. Yeah. Okay. You know, I've told you about like, what was it called? Cottagecore?
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Thank you. Cottagecore. And I've told you about. Do you know why I could do that?
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Why? Because there's only so many topics we've talked about. You know that there was eight months ago?
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That was one of the three things I talked about. Every word you said to me. I remember every word.
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Okay, well, there's cottagecore. I've talked to you about beekeeping. And the new hashtag obsession I have that I didn't know I was until I saw it is called hashtag cluttercore.
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And it's just pro clutter, cluttercore or hashtag maximalism. And it's just people like me.
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You've been in my fucking house that are just tchotchke addicts. And these people, it's me.
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It's just that I felt so guilty about it for so long. it's just shit everywhere.
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Like you fill your house with clutter, but it's like meaningful clutter. It's vintage clutter,
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which you and I both love. And I, I suddenly am like, Oh, I don't feel guilty about it anymore.
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It's an aesthetic. It's like every single piece that you see in my house, you can point to,
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and I'll tell you a story about it. It's just like, it feels good. So look up clutter core or course.
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It's basically somebody's risen up against Marie Kondo. They're just like, we will not suffer under the lash.
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of this minimalism anymore. Listen, I touch every single thing and they're all haunted
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and they give me joy and fuck you about it. Yeah, fuck you about it for sure. She seems really nice. So like, not
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fuck you, but just like back off. No, not fuck her. Back off. Well, you just get to like what you like the end.
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And I think Marie would, I think that's what Marie's actually deeply all about. She's just kind of like, figure out what you
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like and then do that. All I can think of this, so we tried to record yesterday and my
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Wi-Fi went out like old school style and it was it felt like I was lying. I kept texting
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and accusing Georgia of accusing me. You were texting screenshots of like it's not working
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like it's saying like we don't like you right now and screenshots of it and then you're like I'm not
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lying. I'm not lying Georgia. I am not but it felt like the classic live like sorry my wife buys out
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Anyway, bye. Totally. But as I texted Stephen of like, holy shit, I can't get this.
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I can't do that. Whatever. Stephen texted back a Marie Kondo gif. And it's her going, I love mess.
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And it made me laugh so hard. Again, Stephen is the king of the gif. So good. I love mess.
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I was going to say, do you see my room? It's just literally stacks of dinosaur toys.
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Stephen is hashtag clutter core to the clutter core. to the dinosaur bone. Now, if you are less interested in clutter core
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or you're still looking, you're neither minimalist nor maximalist and you're not sure.
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My friend Dave Messmer, who I'm sure I've told many, many stories about, he was my roommate in college and in LA.
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He the one that lip Groove is in the heart that time we were really stoned and he wouldn stop I think about that a lot actually He one of the funniest people of all time Thank you And he told me about this Danish concept called Heige
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Heige is the way he pronounced it, but I don't think that's accurate. But it's essentially the Danish way of living, which is about being cozy.
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Oh, I'm thinking immediately this really thick cable. knits like obscenely large knit cable knit blankets yes and hot that's one of the things
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they were like wrap a blanket around you you get it cut you drink soup or drink a big cup of tea
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socks that's what it's all about and there's a book i haven't read it but is the first thing
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that came up and that's what every when i looked it up when he and i were talking about it's called
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The Little Book of Heig, Danish Secrets to Happy Living. H-Y-G-G-E. Okay. And the author is Mike M-E-I-K, Wiking, W-I-K-I-N-G.
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Oh, you were saying his last name was Mike. Mike, Mike? I don't get it. Mike? And it's might be a woman we don't know.
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Okay. But I love that idea because remember when we were in, we were somewhere, I think we were
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in Amsterdam and we stayed in the in that hotel where I was like I want this as an apartment oh
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yeah it was just like everything was just perfectly definitely tiley color everything about it it was
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almost Mediterranean how like yeah how perfect it was yeah the tiles the colors the everything about
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it was so perfect and I feel like oh I'm gonna look that it's that vibe it's that vibe I'm gonna
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do the hashtag for sure. I get there. I do. When we bought our house, it had a wood burning fireplace, which I know is like whenever you
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look at houses online, it's like wood burning fire, like original wood burning fireplace.
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But we immediately turned it into a gas fireplace because I was just like, I just want to fucking
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turn it on when I want to turn it on. To me, that's the height of luxury, the height of luxury.
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So I know that it kind of probably dinged our house a little bit on the market. But who gives a shit?
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But it was fucking worse. Like, now we just light fires all the time. Well, yeah.
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And also in L.A., just don't light fires because you'll burn everything down. Right.
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It's also really bad for the environment. So, leave me alone, you hashtag fireplace purists.
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Let me say this. Okay. Let's talk about another positive, something that's happening on social media that's very positive.
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Our friend Kyle Russell, who has been doing the lip syncs of us. Jesus. And he just keeps churning them out.
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And each one funnier than last. There was one I just watched. It's and I said this before, Kyle, thank you for making me like and appreciate my own thing, because that's the part of this that is difficult.
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Is sometimes I just go like, I don't want to hear my own voice anymore. I don't want to think about it anymore.
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It's the difficult thing. And it's like I watch that and it makes me love us. Oh, my God.
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Yeah. And there was one where you're talking. He's doing you talking over here. And as I'm answering you, he's putting on lip gloss.
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It was black nail polish. He's so good. And then he just did the one where we're talking about baby Donna.
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And he does it with a person named Courtney, who's at court underscore Agnew. It's so funny.
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It's like, yeah, it's that TikTok thing that it makes me feel like I'm 80 years old.
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I'm like, do it. Children do it. Me, which is a rad concept. very cute which did you see
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what's his name Dave Hill do you know Dave Hill are you friends with him uh-huh so that reminds me
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of the duet me thing which is like a thing on TikTok where like one person will either like
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do an acting thing and you can act against them on your own and record it or like play music
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so Dave Hill who's a fucking hilarious comedian who also happens to be a like shred
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on guitar in a way that like doesn't make sense and isn't fair he's amazing He did a duet me with Ed Sheeran.
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It's on his Instagram and TikTok where Ed Sheeran's like, duet me and starts strumming his little guitar.
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And then Dave Hill comes in and fucking turns it into a metal song. That's the most like just like like nail work, hand finger work.
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I've never seen in my life. It was so badass. He's the best. Yeah. He's genuinely a hilarious, hilarious comedian as well.
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He's so funny. If you want to watch another, you know, our obsession with what's the speed washing called?
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Oh, power wash, power washing. So I follow this woman now on Instagram who found her calling.
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It's really interesting. Her name is Lady Taffos, T-A-P-H-O-S. She found her calling in not it's not power washing because she uses all natural ingredients
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and like really gives care and love into cleaning old vintage headstones. Oh, yes.
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Like a cemetery. And she does, you know, like she'll do slaves who died hundreds of years ago
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and like tell their story and just like really caretake these old, you know, moss covered, dirt covered stones that you can barely read and then cleans them.
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And I didn't realize that it was like a thing that called to her that she had to do after her divorce. And so there's this podcast called Divorce Club Podcast, where they just talk to people who who went through divorces and what, you know, how they came out on the other side. That's really awesome as well. So I recommend that as well.
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okay a really beautiful thing of like yeah i was watching i saw one of those because it got i somehow saw it on twitter and it is incredibly satisfying because it like a cleaning video like a power washing video But then the thing underneath is like historical a beautiful mini monument to a person that may not have been even seen because there was all that stuff covering it
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And, you know, yeah, I love that project. It's like a nice little tribute. It's really nice.
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Totally. You know, what I was going to mention is since we're just going to do, I mean, what else can we do? We can't. This is all we can do.
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And you're like, what is life but suggestions? But a series of suggestions for yourself and others.
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And to your friends. What do you do if you hang out with friends? You suggest things to them.
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That's right. This if you liked the book attached, which I recommended about a month ago, which I loved and it felt like I blazed through it so quickly.
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Another there's another book that actually goes a little bit deeper and breaks it down a little bit more because the and it's it's kind of full circle because I know I'm going to say her last name wrong again.
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Karlo and Thiel or Thiel who hosts Unfuck Your Brain, which is the other podcast I recommended.
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I listened to an episode she did where she talked about she kind of believes in attachment theory,
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but believes there's more to it and then recommended this book. OK. And this is a book called Insecure in Love by Leslie Becker Phelps.
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I own that because a friend went to couples therapy and she immediately, her therapist,
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was like, yeah, I'll need to read this. Yes. Insecure in love. Yes. It's fascinating. And it is the detail work. You know what it is? Everybody wants some kind of a like, how the fuck do you do this? Like, how do you maintain a relationship with a person? How do you actually pass past the initial what everyone likes part where you're like, you're attractive. You talk the way I like.
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This is fun. We're the same. Blah, blah, blah. Yeah. Milestones. And then it's like, really, I totally get that.
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And then when you get past that, it's like then when the problems come up, it's like,
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bah, fuck it. Or whatever your approach is. It's like actually helpful information about why people do the things they do.
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So if you need that or you liked the other book, Insecure in Love by Leslie Becker Phelps.
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I think a good thing to remember, too, is that nobody has that easy. You look around at other couples and you're like, how are they?
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They're such a perfect couple. They're so good at it. And that's like just an impossible.
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It's impossible. Every couple has things. Some couples are really lucky that they found someone whose attachment style exactly mirrors them.
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But it's not it's never easy. So everyone. Right. If you're thinking that about anybody, it's because you're it's you're on Instagram and you're also probably lightly high because everyone is different levels of miserable.
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Just admit it. Sorry. What was I just going to say based on that? Was it a book?
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Probably. Listen, let's see. Library. Look, listen, I'm listening to a podcast called Through the Cracks, which I highly recommend, which is a true crime podcast.
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That's a really important story. Through the Cracks? Yeah, Through the Cracks. It's really powerful and really well done.
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What network is it on? It's on WAMU. Cool. What else did they do? I need a new one.
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Yeah, this one's important and powerful and it's great. Oh, it was Nina Simone's birthday last weekend.
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She was a great singer and activist and amazing, like a prodigy piano player. And a bunch of people were posting different tweets about her.
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And it reminded me of the great. So Liz Garbus, who directed I'll Be Gone in the Dark, she directed a documentary about Nina Simone, like, I think five or more years ago.
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And it's called What Happened, Miss Simone. And if you like Nina Simone or you're interested in both amazing music and kind of like civil rights action, she is just this incredible badass that I feel like I wish she was known more.
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So if you haven't seen that documentary by Liz Garbus, you absolutely should. Say the name of it again.
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So good. What Happened, Miss Simone. OK. It's about her whole life. It's just really mind blowing.
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Amazing. Yeah. What do you think? Should we do Exactly Right News? All right. Well, lots of great stuff. So much great stuff happening on Exactly Right this week
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that we're just going to do a quick rundown of everything. So on this podcast, I'll Kill You,
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they're talking about human papillomaviruses, HPV. Very important. Everyone needs to know about that.
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That's right. And the Murder Squad was included in the Newsweek Top 25 True Crime Podcast of 2021,
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which is really exciting, along with Tenfold More Wicked and My Favorite Murder.
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And Monday's episode, they have Melissa McCarty and Kelly McLear from the Killer Jeans podcast.
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Then on Lady to Lady, they have Annalee Ashford from Masters of Sex and Kinky Boots on Broadway.
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And then on That's Messed Up, their special guest is comedian Margaret Cho. Yep. Friend of the pod.
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Friend of the network. Friend of America. and comedian Jay Jordan is on I Said No Gifts with Bridger this week.
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He's hilarious. And I saw what you did, Millie and Danielle discussed. I'm going to get you sucka and don't be a menace for a Wayans Family double feature.
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So make sure to check that out. And then also we're going to we're having new podcasts rolling out all the time.
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We love bringing you guys podcasts. It's like kind of our dream come true. It really is.
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And we have loved... Lots of stuff coming down the pike these days. So it's very exciting.
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And we appreciate it so much. We really do. And it's getting less terrible. Let's be let's be that way about it.
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I love doing this because I look at the list of live show episodes and stories we've done.
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And it's such a pity that these don't get to be told because they're in a random live episode.
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So now they do. And we did. Yeah, there's no pity. We're fucking taken back the night.
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That's right. And we did so much fucking work on them. That's right. Plus, not only the work we did of the work and the performance, but then the work the audience did of showing up and being so good to us the entire time.
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Time after time. Time after time. Can I shout out Sloan? Cindy Lauper? Yeah. Sloan at Petco.
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I want to give her a shout out for recognizing Cookie, even though I was covered up in my face mask and shabby chic clothes that are just shabby.
00:28:27
And I turn a corner and she goes, Cookie. And it was the first time I had like run into a murderino in like over a year at that point.
00:28:35
And so I was so happy to see her. She was so sweet. So thanks, Sloan. It reminded me of live shows.
00:28:40
And I was like, I want to hug you, but I can't come near you. All right. So this is from the Vic Theater in Chicago, beautiful Chicago.
00:28:49
So this is the Browns Chicken Massacre, which was a mass murder that occurred on January 8th, 1993 in Palentine, Illinois.
00:28:58
and I just it's just a horrible one of those stories that are like you know who had the
00:29:04
fucking gall to do this and the way that the killers are caught is just a miraculous thing
00:29:11
so this story I'm so glad I get to post it and tell it because I just it's it's an incredible
00:29:18
awful heroic story listen yeah we're gonna do the Brown's Chicken Massacre so we've gotten a lot of um tweets and emails about why won't you fucking do this yeah
00:29:36
well they're about to find out because it's horrifying okay that's what we're here for um
00:29:42
on january 8th 1993 seven people were closing brown's chicken and pasta in palatine a northwest
00:29:49
West suburb of Chicago, Illinois. Palatine, everybody. Palatine. Palatine Did someone say that It Palatoyne Sorry Who by the way their 1986 commercial
00:30:06
is Steve Carell. What? Like, hosting it as, like, the owner of this brown chicken.
00:30:12
Are you serious? Steve Carell. Was he so good and funny? He was so cute. He looks exactly the same.
00:30:19
Yeah, that guy's kind of scary, actually. He's a vampire. He's insanely talented.
00:30:24
He doesn't age. Yeah, you heard it here first. And he's never, never not funny. Yeah.
00:30:30
Vampire. We hate him. Spreading rumors. Okay, so Chicago, the store owners were Richard and Lynn Ellenfelt,
00:30:40
who had spent their life savings to buy this franchise. Their two daughters were scheduled to be at the restaurant that night working,
00:30:48
but instead Guadalupe Maldonado, Michael C. Castro, and Rico L. Solis. The latter two are Palatine High School students who were working there part-time.
00:31:00
One was a high school senior who just moved from the Philippines to escape the violence,
00:31:05
and his Filipino-American friend, a high school junior who wanted to be a Marine,
00:31:11
as well as Thomas Menes and Marcus Nelson, who were working the closing shift. So inside, the friars have been shut off, the floors are mopped,
00:31:21
everything's being closed down for the night, and the employees are finishing up,
00:31:26
and as they're closing, a Ford Tempo pulls up carrying two men, and the Ellenfelts had a policy that they allowed last-minute customers to order.
00:31:37
They were nice fucking people. Yeah, that's the nicest people when you go up and you're like,
00:31:42
please, please, please, I just... Do you want me to do it? I can't open this fucking water.
00:31:50
This is the trick water I put out for you. Karen! I should have known. It wasn't a trick water.
00:31:58
Everyone's like, I want to get trick water. She's such a practical joker. So, one of them orders a fucking four-piece chicken meal.
00:32:12
And they go to sit down and eat it. What? fucking four-piece chicken. Like, what the fuck? Who does that?
00:32:19
Like, first of all, it's so shitty. What's that, too many pieces? What's the problem?
00:32:22
It's just, they're closing the store. I don't go into, like, a clothing store a half hour
00:32:27
before they close, because, you know, every single hanger has been, like, you know,
00:32:31
meticulously, and then you're just like, I want a sugar tomorrow, you're a fucking
00:32:35
asshole. I know, but once you're in that door and they actually let you in, then you're just like,
00:32:39
um, okay, I'm gonna get coleslaw, um, two beans. No, that's such a dick move. So, okay, so they sit down to eat their fucking food.
00:32:49
It's like, at least take it to go. Yeah, that is super lame. Yeah, but they're not there for chicken.
00:32:53
Okay. It's the final day's sale. It's rung up at 9.08 p.m., and as eight minutes pass closing,
00:33:01
and as they eat in a booth, everyone continues their last-minute closing rituals.
00:33:05
By 11 p.m. that night, the families of the workers are starting to worry that their sons haven't come home.
00:33:11
and after driving by Brown's, which is dark inside, although Castro's car is still in the parking lot,
00:33:19
it's about 11.45, and police say, but he calls the police at 11.45, but police say in the log it says it's called at 1.02 a.m.,
00:33:29
so there's a discrepancy there. After many attempts by the families of all these boys
00:33:35
to get the police to take their worries seriously because they're like, they went and had sandwiches and booze,
00:33:40
and they're like, they don't drink. Or eat sandwiches. Wrong and wrong. I'm guessing that part.
00:33:48
Including going to the police station to file a missing persons report, Castro's father returns to Browns a third time,
00:33:56
along with Guadalupe Maldonado's brother, who was also worried after Guadalupe hadn't come home to tuck his sons in,
00:34:03
as was his ritual. And they also had a police officer with them. It's just after 3 a.m., and they finally try the green employee entrance door, which is open unexpectedly.
00:34:16
And inside, they spot a jacket hanging just inside. And that's when Guadalupe's brother spots an arm poking out of the walk-in freezer door.
00:34:26
It's propped open. There's blood on the tile floor. And the officer sees it, gets the men out of there, saying, this is a crime scene.
00:34:35
When all is said and done, seven people were dead. The assailant stole less than $2,000 from the restaurant.
00:34:43
The case remained unsolved for nearly nine years. Oh, let's get the photo of the restaurant.
00:34:51
We have like two photos. So that's it. And then there's another one. There we go.
00:34:59
Yeah, that's it. Okay. Fuck, man. So the case... Oh, and then... Sorry, what year was it?
00:35:07
1993. Oh, recently. Yeah. The case remains... Recently? Is that what you're laughing?
00:35:15
That wasn't a slam. I was sorry. Like, what a shitty truck. Is that what you thought I was saying? I wasn't.
00:35:25
I think it said it was recently, because we're both like, that was ten years ago.
00:35:28
Oh, I get it. You know what I mean. It's not like 1986. Sorry, what year is it? Fuck.
00:35:37
i'm stone cold sober i swear to god i swear to you i will vouch for you it's true i'm the fucked up one real fucked up peyote she's back on me do people still do peyote
00:35:52
i on peyote that be amazing to do peyote before a show i don know i just gonna see what it opens up Look a coyote I like you could have just had a glass of champagne No I won drink on stage
00:36:05
I want to do a coyote. It's natural. Everyone's like, the four boyfriends are like,
00:36:12
they're in the middle of a really fucking depressing story. What the fuck is wrong with them?
00:36:17
Cinepropriate is what it is. Dan, Kevin and Kevin, and Dave. We apologize to you.
00:36:22
You're right. You're right. We're sorry that your feelings get so hurt all the time.
00:36:27
Listen, your girlfriend is not at fault. She usually listens on her way to work.
00:36:33
What? What about the other night we were at a meet and greet? A girl leaned over to George and goes,
00:36:38
I'm on a Tinder date right now. And I was like, this is the last one that you could buy to him.
00:36:48
That was cute. I like when you get excited to tell me something. You do nails. Yeah, I have to do nails.
00:36:54
I'm sorry. no I like it it's intense I'm used to not being listened to as a youngest child
00:36:59
so like in my family if you were like mom dad or whatever it was as if nothing was happening
00:37:05
you have to be like I will drop blood from you another thing I wouldn't have noticed
00:37:10
about myself until right now what a great experience and journey that we're on together
00:37:16
back into the mass murder okay The case remained unsolved for nearly nine years until 2002,
00:37:27
when Anne Lockett came forward and implicated her former boyfriend, James DeGorski, and his friend, Juan Luna.
00:37:37
It's lead 4,842 in the murder investigation. Is that crazy? Jesus Christ. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:37:46
And how long after? How many years after? Nine. Fuck. Okay. That's such a long time to wait.
00:37:52
It is. Lockett says she was told about the massacre over a pot smoking session. Guys, that would freak me out so bad.
00:38:03
Oh, my God. Can you imagine? I'm trying to play Mario Kart. What are you doing? Yeah.
00:38:12
What are you fucking? I mean, I think a lot of us are like, yeah, no murder shit during pot.
00:38:18
No. Those two things don't go together. I can't even watch Planet Earth without freaking the fuck out.
00:38:26
Right? There's a lot of true crime in Planet Earth, though. I swear to God. There's a lot of those.
00:38:35
She said that they said that they wanted to do something big. Juan Luna was a former employee of the restaurant,
00:38:44
so he would have known that they serve people. You know what I mean? but he had left on good terms for a new job a couple months earlier
00:38:52
so he was questioned but wasn't suspected but according to Ann Lockett, he knew there would be money in the store
00:38:58
and he was 18 at the time of the murders he was now, nine years later, married with a young son
00:39:03
the details of the murder came out and here are the details Lynn Eldenfelt, who was 49, the owner
00:39:14
she was the first victim when her throat was lashed and they're all so two of them are in a freezer like walk-in freezer at the time getting everything
00:39:24
together to close and then the murderers put that four of them in another walk-in freezer
00:39:30
and throw lynn after her fucking throat is slashed into that freezer can you fucking imagine being
00:39:36
like we're getting robbed and then you're like oh no this is bigger than that yeah and you have a
00:39:42
panic attack. What the fuck? So then Marcus Castro, who's the youngest victim at 16,
00:39:51
was shot six times. And then Guadalupe Maldonado, who's 46, Enrico Salas, who's 17,
00:39:59
had bullet wounds in the back of their heads. And Thomas Menas, who's 32, was shot
00:40:05
twice in the upper back and once in the temple. And then Richard Ellenfelt, 50, was shot
00:40:10
five times. Ew. So, in April 2002, the Palantine Police Department matched the DNA sample.
00:40:18
Are you ready for this? Yeah. So, she says it's Juan Luna. The DNA sample from, are you ready for this?
00:40:25
What the fuck? I demand that there be a towel on the table tonight. At all times, so I can shake it at you.
00:40:32
A punctuation towel. This is awful. they find the dna from the the eaten chicken that was thrown in the garbage can oh shit
00:40:48
night of the murder yes you stupid fucks especially because and i was like did they
00:40:53
test all the chicken bones they had already taken the trash out because they were closing
00:40:57
oh my god and so they threw their chicken in there they took the dna i'm sorry but those
00:41:03
cops were like, thank fucking God. They're like, it's 93. I don't know what this is for. I'm going to take it anyways.
00:41:10
Chicken bone. Chicken bone. No, not that one. Some skin. Yeah. Oh, he eats dark meat. What a monster.
00:41:20
Then, yeah, isn't that fucked up? Yes. The chicken was, okay, and the chicken was supposedly kept in the freezer
00:41:27
for most of the time since the crime. The Palantine Police Department took the two suspects
00:41:33
into custody on May 16, 2002. And Luna confesses to the crime during an interrogation,
00:41:39
although a lawyer would later claim that he was coerced to do so through corporal punishment and threats of deportation.
00:41:47
Then they both go to trial. So Luna's put on trial in 2007. He's found guilty of seven counts of murder,
00:41:54
and he sentenced to life in prison without parole on May 17 2007 The stated No it gets shitty Just when you thought
00:42:05
Yeah, this isn't the end. There's two more. But a lot of that is her poetry. Now that she has you here.
00:42:19
It's just gore lyrics. Listen to the words. It's actually really beautiful. Okay, the state had sought the death penalty, which was available at the time,
00:42:32
but the jury voted 11 to 1 in favor. They fell short 11 to 1, so one person was like, no.
00:42:40
Can't do that. Then, so James DeGorski, the other guy, was found guilty September 2009
00:42:46
on all seven counts of murder, but it's largely based on the testimony of Ann Lockett
00:42:51
because there's no physical evidence, as well as a friend of hers. And they both said that he had confessed to them.
00:42:57
And then October 20, 2009, he's sentenced to life in prison without parole. Again, a couple of the jurors voted no to the death penalty.
00:43:06
Okay. So now it gets fucking fucked up. So it turns out that there's a petition in the circuit court that Lockett,
00:43:16
Ann Lockett, misled jurors into believing that she had a much closer relationship
00:43:20
with Degorski at the time of the crime than she actually did. they say that she was...
00:43:26
Sorry, is there a live sheep in here? Because that's not cool at all. Now, I don't know if...
00:43:35
Was that Oprah goat? That was the weirdest fucking sound. Creepy. Haunted, I'm telling you.
00:43:44
Let's not make noises like that, guys. So I don't know how much of this I believe,
00:43:52
and it's really complicated, but supposedly people say she wasn't dating him at the time,
00:43:57
people meaning their lawyers, I'm sure, and that she was actually involved with a man she had met
00:44:02
while both were hospitalized for psychiatric issues. So basically all the dirt's coming up on her.
00:44:09
So then, let's see, he says, that man in a sworn statement, says that she had never mentioned Degorski
00:44:16
or his involvement in the murders, and instead he says that she had called him a few months
00:44:22
after their own breakup asking if he knew anything about the murders. He said, she told me that whoever came forward with information
00:44:29
would be entitled to reward money and that if I heard who might have done the murders,
00:44:33
I should contact her. And then, yeah, and it turns out that soon after that conversation,
00:44:39
he was inexplicably questioned three separate times about his involvement. The woman, let's see.
00:44:49
So the Cook County jury was also never told that Lockett would split nearly $100,000 reward money with her friend that had also.
00:44:57
Uh-oh. Yeah. So the. That's a lot of pot. You can buy fucking like six bags of pot with them.
00:45:06
Yeah. Okay. And then really quickly, I want to add this little part of a hometown murder that we got from Sam from Chicago said.
00:45:15
Oh, my God. There's more than one probably. they would not get their answer. Okay, my friend's neighbor called in a tip
00:45:25
incriminating her then-boyfriend, Juan Luna, who worked at the churches back in high school.
00:45:31
The police arrested him and his accomplice, but they say at the time they were at the Crosstown basketball game.
00:45:37
So when they got questioned back in high school, they said that they were a basketball game.
00:45:42
And then her friend, Sam's friend, said that he was trying to get interviewed by the cops to let them know that he wasn't
00:45:50
with both Luna and the other guy. He was just with Luna. So she's saying that he has an
00:45:58
alibi. And then, okay, I almost done. March 2014. Okay, here's fucked up. In March 2014,
00:46:05
a jury awarded James DeGorski $400,051 in compensation of punitive damages for having
00:46:13
been beaten by a sheriff's department in Cook County Jail in May 2020, 2002. We can do this.
00:46:23
It shouldn't happen in the future. I am not psychic. It was a future sheriff beating?
00:46:28
Yeah. A lot of metal. So he got that much money when he was questioned by police,
00:46:33
he got beaten and gave his confession then. He suffered facial fractures that required surgery,
00:46:38
and the deputy was eventually dismissed. That's a little bit extreme. And I guess the Palatine Police Department had obtained confessions to the slangs from at least five others who were never charged.
00:46:50
So it's possible they had a, like a, you know, pattern? Pattern. Anyways, the building, wow.
00:47:01
Something's happening. How long does it take for peyote to kick in? I mean, girl, I think you're right on time.
00:47:09
Cool. the building was raised the church is chicken church is chicken am I high?
00:47:19
I swear did we start the gas too early? I mean there are podcasters who tour night after night
00:47:29
and they handle their shit just fine I don't even I've never even never seen a church is chicken
00:47:38
I don't. It was that sheep that fucked you up. It's your animal familiar coming to tell you to go to church as chicken.
00:47:50
The building was torn down in April 2002 after having briefly been a dry cleaning establishment and then a deli and then standing vacant for many years.
00:48:00
So another place you don't want to walk by on your way to the grocery store, like H.H. Helms Murder Castle.
00:48:06
Can you imagine working at that dry cleaner? Or the Chase branch that is now there?
00:48:12
That evil fucking place. In the location? You can't figure out why you have such bad vibes.
00:48:17
You're like, was it the murder or is it just you fucking guys? Big banks or murder?
00:48:24
I mean... We should dig up the ground in there too, just while we're at it. Yeah, right.
00:48:30
So that was the Browns chicken massacre. Thank you. Yes, I agree to do this again with you sometime.
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very soon what do you got for us Karen Kilgariff well mine is from May 5th of 2019
00:51:36
it was this last time we were on the road remember the time remember our Dallas Irving Texas show
00:51:44
that huge theater we had the best series of shows I had cowboy boots and I accidentally
00:51:51
flashed the audience my underpants. Yeah, I said, Georgia, are you wearing a circle? Does your dress
00:51:58
have a circle skirt? She went, it sure does, and spun in a circle. Twirl! I did the best
00:52:01
childhood twirl. But we were about eight feet above the front row, and you just heard this
00:52:09
woo! Did I just fly? Stephen, do you think we can edit that in? Yeah, I can find it, yeah.
00:52:17
From the top of the show. Please put that in. so hilarious so that'll you'll you'll get that experience first i guess spoiler alert yeah but
00:52:26
do you remember on our first tour ever i had to borrow tights from you then and i still have them
00:52:31
in my drawer hot pink tights oh my god from 2016 that's right we go back three fucking years
00:52:38
thank you thank you so much we've laughed we've grown we've loved i've taken two full pairs of
00:52:47
George's tights. And that's how you know something. That's how you know something.
00:52:53
How about your outfit? This is... Yeah. Bow to your partner. Did I just show you my underwear?
00:53:05
Did you really? And it was on the big screen? Oh no. I was wearing tights the last two nights I did
00:53:15
that and no one saw my ass. Can we roll that tape back on the big screen, please?
00:53:22
No, never again. So this was an exciting show for us, not only for being there, being on the road, but also
00:53:31
because our great hero, journalist Skip Hollinsworth was in the audience that night.
00:53:37
And or he was in the audience the night before. Right. And then I did his story or it was the night before and then he was in the next night.
00:53:45
Whatever he was around. We got to meet him on that weekend. Yes. Yes. But it was a real honor because oftentimes when we would do shows in Texas for all the years that we done live shows in Texas we pull stories from the amazing magazine Texas Monthly Their journalists write these incredible you know like immersive deep dive stories about
00:54:10
these different crimes that happen in Texas. And they've got some amazing ones. So this one is
00:54:15
definitely one of my favorites. It's by the legendary journalist Skip Hollinsworth.
00:54:20
it's this the story of the legendary bank robber cowboy bob so last night if you were lucky enough
00:54:26
to be here we uh that no i just mean it like uh we were so excited because um the uh true crime or
00:54:35
i guess just general journalist skip hollandsworth was a secret special guest and he came out and
00:54:41
chatted with everybody and um my story tonight is entirely taken from an amazing article that he wrote
00:54:48
for the legendary magazine Texas Monthly. It's so good. Such a good fucking magazine.
00:54:55
Do you ever do the thing where you read one article on their website and then at the bottom they're like, you might also like this,
00:55:00
and then you're like, goodbye the rest of the day. It's my favorite. I love it. It's so good.
00:55:05
So this I got. It's a 2005 article by Skip Hollinsworth that was in the Texas Monthly
00:55:11
about the legend of bank robber cowboy Bob. I love this so much I'm excited for this
00:55:22
can we also say what a lovely human being Skip was he came backstage afterwards with his kid
00:55:27
and her friends and he was just so nice he's the best, yeah he has a really cool family
00:55:31
and he doesn't hate us okay, I'm excited so one morning in May of 1991 a bearded man with a cowboy hat
00:55:40
enters the American Federal Bank just off West Airport Freeway in Irving, Texas.
00:55:46
What? Seriously? Yeah. I had a whole other one prepared and then I started reading this article
00:55:53
and I was like, whoops, I have to switch mine now. When it's his turn in line, he approaches the counter,
00:56:01
he's greeted by the female teller and without saying a word, he hands her a note
00:56:05
and that note says, this is a bank robbery. Give me your money, no marked bills or die packs.
00:56:11
So the teller hands him the cash, He calmly puts it into his bag. And then without looking around or belying anything out of the ordinary is happening,
00:56:19
he turns and very casually walks out of the bank. No one notices. No one but the teller knows that it's happening because he has none of the normal indicators of bank robbers,
00:56:30
which is obviously you'd kind of check over your shoulder maybe or at least look out of the corner of your eye.
00:56:35
Stick him up. There's none of that. Stick him up. No. It's total silence. The entire thing happens in silence.
00:56:41
Creepy. And then when he goes out to the parking lot, he so so he leaves. The police arrive almost immediately.
00:56:50
And when they review the security camera footage, they see a thin man with a full beard, cowboy hat, wearing sunglasses and gloves.
00:57:00
And he keeps his head down, tip down perfectly enough. So the entire time. So his face is obscured.
00:57:07
They can't get any like defining features from his face. and of course he doesn't fidget so they they immediately are like oh this guy's a professional
00:57:17
he's done this before there's no fidgeting there's no nervousness at all and when he goes out to his
00:57:23
brown 1975 pontiac grand prix in the parking lot he drives away normally like anyone else would so
00:57:30
there's no they say that normally bank robbers will peel out or drive away fast and and then
00:57:35
drive through a red light and just try to get away as fast as they can and that's what makes
00:57:39
eyewitnesses notice and then write your license plate number down. Um, so of course, none of that
00:57:44
happened. He just drove away. Um, so there were no eyewitnesses. Um, so not only are the police
00:57:51
stuck with no leads, but they realized that this is someone who knows exactly what they're doing.
00:57:56
Um, and so here is a clip of that footage from that robbery. Oh man. His gloves and his big old hat.
00:58:07
Okay, so seven months later in December of 1991, the same mysterious man hits another bank in Irving.
00:58:15
This time it's Savings of America. Love it. No, no one's there? Do they have really bad rates or something?
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Again, the bearded, sunglassed, cowboy-headed man passes a note to the teller. This time he makes off with $1,258.
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But a witness sees him drive out of the parking lot and does write down the license plate number.
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Nosey. Right. Why? I know. Butt out. Why did they write it down? I don't. It must have been someone from inside the bank that ran forward is my personal theory.
00:58:49
That's it. But we don't know. Skip and I don't know. So the police get the license.
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They trace it immediately to a house that's actually right close to the bank. So they speed over there.
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When they get there, they find an old lady sitting in her living room who says, I haven't left the house all day.
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Uh-oh. Or I haven't left the house all day. Get out. It's probably more like it, right?
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So once they go outside, they see that the old lady's red Chevrolet is missing its license, one license plate.
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Wow. I wanted the old lady to be the bank robber so bad just now. I was here for that.
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So a month later in January of 1992, the robber strikes again. And this time it's at the Texas Heritage Bank in Garland.
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He uses the exact same M.O. This time he leaves with three thousand dollars. He strikes a fourth time in May of 1992 at the Nations Bank in Mesquite.
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They're all over there. This time the teller puts the cash together. but as the teller tries to put the cash together he tries to sneak a die pack into the wad of cash Dude don be a hero The robber clocks it and takes it out and hands it back to the teller and walks away
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That's so much more creepy than if he punched him in the face or whatever. Yeah, I know.
01:00:14
Just like, you can go ahead and keep that. Yeah. Here's your chain. Ow. Sorry. So this time he makes off with $5,317.
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So the FBI agent assigned to this case is a man named Steve Powell. And he's going crazy because he's like, shit, we can't get this guy.
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And he can't figure out who this, as I wrote, smooth ass bank robber is. So until they can identify him, he decides to give the bank robber the nickname Cowboy Bob.
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So four months after that last hit in September of 1992, Cowboy Bob robs the first Gibraltar bank in Mesquite, taking $1,700.
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And the police get the license plate number and track the car. And with FBI agents following closely behind them.
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But once again, they track the plates to a nearby resident who then realizes his own plates have been stolen.
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So it's the exact same thing. So as they're investigating that robbery, they police get a call from Mesquite's first interstate bank a mile away saying Cowboy Bob has just come through and stolen a whopping $13,706.
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He's like, finally, I got a fucking payday. For real. He keeps on getting these tellers who had just dropped everything down the little forever tube.
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And so he's like, oh, I got a lazy one that didn't cash out. And that was his biggest hit, yeah.
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So according to the teller, Cowboy Bob was so pleased with the amount of money that he got on this one
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that he tipped his hat to her as he walked away. Damn! Yeah, because he's a classy motherfucker, yeah.
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So in just a year and a half, Cowboy Bob has stolen a total of about $26,000 from six different banks around the Dallas area, the larger area.
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So the FBI wonder if they're dealing with a criminal mastermind and if they'll ever be able to catch him.
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Or if it's just someone who lays you, who doesn't want to get a job because it's not that much money.
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It's like what you'd make in a year, dude. Right. So witness. So so on this on that last hit, a witness has taken again, taken down the license plate number.
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So this time police trace it to a man named Pete Tallis who works at a Ford auto parts factory in Carrollton.
01:02:41
So you said Mesquite. You already cheered for, you can't cheer for two different places.
01:02:47
But both of those cities are amazing in different ways. Okay. So when they go talk to Pete, he says, yes, that is, I own a brown 1975 Pontiac Grand Prix, yes.
01:03:02
But I gave it to my mom and my sister because they didn't have enough money to get a car of their own.
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and when they tell Pete that the Grand Prix has just been used in a bank robbery,
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Pete says, bullshit, that car can't go fast enough. Okay. He's right. I mean, he's right.
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So the police get Pete's mom and sister's address and they head over to the apartment complex where they live
01:03:30
and in the parking lot when they pull in, they spot Cowboy Bob's car, the Brown Grand Prix.
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and so they huddle up and they start discussing what they should do. They're like, this is obviously where he's holed up
01:03:42
and now we have to make our plan. And they're talking about, should we just bust down the door?
01:03:48
You like storm in and catch him because we could catch him with the money. Or do we slow play it?
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They're trying to figure it out. And they see a woman walk out of the apartment and up toward the car.
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She's wearing shorts and a t-shirt. And they're like, oh, I bet you that's Cowboy Bob's girlfriend.
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So they decide she gets in the car and drives away. So they let her drive off. And they decide what they're going to do is Agent Powell is going to stop her around the corner.
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So Cowboy Bob can't see them talking from the apartment. So they wait until she's like a little farther away.
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And they pull the car over. And inside, that's where they meet Peggy Jo Tallis. So she politely introduces herself.
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She explains, yes, the car is hers. She got it from her brother. and that they ask her, have you used it at any time today?
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And she goes, yeah, I just got, I went out and picked up some fertilizer earlier this morning.
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And so Agent Powell and his team search the trunk. They do find a bag of fertilizer in the trunk.
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And then he asks if they can search her apartment. And she says, I mean, there's nothing in there but my mom, who's like an old kind of sick lady.
01:04:58
But they're like, that's fine. Let's check it out. So at the apartment, the officers ring the doorbell, and Peggy Jo's mom, Helen, answers the door and then is shocked as a team of FBI agents and police officers storm past her with the guns drawn and go into the apartment.
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But once they get there, they just see that it's this really neat, tidy apartment that the two ladies live in together, and there's nothing, no cowboy bob, no piles of money, nothing.
01:05:27
So they're looking around. They go into Peggy Jo's bedroom. They think maybe they're hiding, like if it is her boyfriend,
01:05:35
that she's hiding him somewhere in the closet or whatever. But no, they just see that her bed is nicely made,
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and they open the closet, and all her clothes are very perfectly ironed and hung up.
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And it's like, oh, yeah, we really got this wrong. And then an officer notices a styrofoam mannequin head up on the shelf in the closet with a fake beard pin to it Uh Okay And then next to that a cowboy hat God
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And then they check under Peggy Jo's bed, and there's a bag full of cash under there.
01:06:11
So... Is it okay that I'm mad at them for not hiding that shit better? Yes. Like, pull up some floorboards and shove your shit under there.
01:06:22
Ceiling. Come on. Ceiling thing. So basically, then Officer Powell turns to Peggy Jo and starts asking her, sorry, what is this stuff and why do you have it in your room?
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And as he's talking to her, he notices that she's got a little bit of fake beard glue on top of her lip.
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And it turns out Cowboy Bob is Peggy Jo Talis. Peggy! Yeah. Yeah. What the fuck?
01:06:53
What a twist. And he's like, her? She fucking, she's the one that's been beating me this whole time.
01:07:01
Oh, wait. The lip glue part is like too good to be true. Isn't it the best? Yeah.
01:07:05
Where he's kind of like, so anyway, what's, why do you have the, hold on a second.
01:07:09
Oh, my God. I want to see it all line up for him in like a movie. So wait, let's take it.
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Where the fuck? Oh, wait. There she is. Okay. The little girl or the blonde? Yep, that's her.
01:07:23
She's eight years old and she loves money. That's Peggy Jo up there. Peggy. That's her niece, I believe.
01:07:32
I mean, don't do crimes, but if you're going to do it, be cool. Yeah. So he, Agent Powell arrests Peggy Jo.
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They bring her down to the station. So they're stunned to find that this polite, very pretty, seemingly very standardly normal woman has been the man robbing banks and stymieing the cops and the FBI.
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for a year and a half. When they ask Peggy Jo why she did it, she doesn't say anything.
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And she also doesn't really talk to her defense attorney. All she'll say is that she robbed the first bank
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to help pay for her sick mother's medication for the degenerative bone disease that she has.
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But then when they ask her why she kept on doing it, she just stares at the wall and shrugs.
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Like, she stares away. Oh, honey. So, in court, the judge takes into consideration that Peggy Jo was never violent in any of these crimes.
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And she never used a weapon. She never brandished a weapon. Never threatened anybody.
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You can rob a bank by just being like, I want things. Yes. What? Yes. I feel like we shouldn't be telling everyone that.
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I mean, if you don't know by now, come on. Yeah, and they have to give it to you.
01:08:47
You're going to get caught because they have everything, but you can. She never used a weapon.
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And other than that, she seemed to be a mild-mannered, law-abiding citizen. So she's given a 33-month sentence.
01:09:02
Wow. And the first, anyone that's never had a child, that's two and a half years in jail.
01:09:08
Thank you. Right? Yeah. Oh, he's 54 months old. Really? I don't you do the fucking math for me I came over here to visit you
01:09:21
clearly have a very specific idea in mind Peggy Jo serves her time without complaint she doesn't her when her friends go to visit her in
01:09:32
jail she won't talk about having done it she just is like how are you what's going on with you and
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kind of is just like not talking about it and then when she's released um she all she says about it
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is that she assures her family and friends that she won't ever do anything like that again.
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I pinky swear I won't rob a fucking bank again. I promise that I won't commit a felony ever again
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in a wig, mask, cowboy hat, and posing as a man. When she gets out, she's approached by a true crime author
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about collaborating to write her story and possibly turn it into a movie, and she says no,
01:10:09
because she's the fucking coolest person of all time. Oh, my God. She said she just wants to put the whole thing behind her,
01:10:17
and she thinks that's lame. So let's talk a little bit about who Peggy Jotelis is.
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She was born in 1945, and she grows up the youngest of three children in Grand Prairie.
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She's a well-liked, free-spirited child, but when she's four years old, her father dies from cancer.
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so that's when her mother gets a job as a nurse's aide to support the family so I skipped this
01:10:44
picture but this is her as a kid um so after the 10th grade now we go through that so after the
01:10:51
10th grade um though she drops out of school explaining to her mom that there's too much else
01:10:56
to do in life than waste her days sitting in school yes girl yes fucking wow when I was like
01:11:05
I remember in sixth grade, my desk was by the window and all I would do is stare out the window and go, what are they all doing out there?
01:11:13
I was obsessed with what the town did while we were in school. Like all the adults are free to do whatever the fuck they want with no kids around.
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Do you ever still get that feeling when you're an adult out in the world on like a Tuesday afternoon?
01:11:26
Yeah. And you're just like, I can do whatever I want. No school. I don't have to go to school.
01:11:31
Yes. I do it still. I'm 38. I do get that every once in a while. Pure gratitude.
01:11:40
I'll never have to do algebra again. Okay, so she tells her friends, and everyone knows this about her,
01:11:48
she's clearly a free spirit, and she is all about adventure. So she actually decides, because it's like the early 70s,
01:11:55
she decides to up and drive out to San Francisco to see, quote, to see what's going on out there.
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Oh, it's just a cultural revolution, Peggy Jo. No big deal. So she gets out there, and when she comes back, like a month or two later, I think it was,
01:12:11
she's got books by Lawrence Ferlinghetti. She's like into the beat poets, and she's just all about that,
01:12:19
kind of doing whatever you want, living your life. So in her 20s, she gets her own apartment in North Dallas,
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and she works as a receptionist, and at that job she makes friends with a girl. she works with named Cherry Young.
01:12:31
And so the two spend evenings going out to bars and concerts and basically looking for more adventure.
01:12:37
And Peggy Jo tells Cherry she doesn't really have any career goals at all. She doesn't really care about having a career.
01:12:44
She's not interested in getting married. She doesn't care about having kids. All she wants to do is have adventures.
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So she basically says her plan is to work just enough to pay the bills and then have a little bit left over to go out and have fun.
01:12:58
This was literally me until I was 29 years old. Hell yeah. And accidentally got a cool job.
01:13:06
I know. We're kind of doing it right now. Don't tell them. Don't tell them. We basically robbed a bank.
01:13:12
Okay. But you gave us the money so nicely. It seemed like you were really voluntary about it.
01:13:19
So thank you for being a part of this emotional felony. Okay. She was obsessed with the movie Butch Cassidy and the Sundance.
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kids. You saw it a bunch of times. And if you don't know, because you're a millennial, that is a
01:13:32
beautiful and amazing Paul Newman and fucking Robert Redford movie about those two bandits who
01:13:40
at the end of the movie, they go and re-rob the same train that they've already robbed and therefore basically get into
01:13:48
this huge gunfight and at the very end, spoiler alert, they jump off a cliff. But definitely go
01:13:56
Wait, you're thinking of Thelma and Louise. Oh, shit. So this is a quote from Skip's article from Cherry talking about her friend Peggy Jo.
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Quote, she told me she was saving a little so that she could someday go to Mexico,
01:14:11
just live on a beach in a hacienda, and wear bathing suits night and day. She was beautiful, and she was rambunctious.
01:14:18
And she always told me that deep down she was wild at heart. and that was very true because one night piggy joe and cherry got into a fight at a restaurant
01:14:29
they were like out for the night in fort worth and right you guys know what it's like to party
01:14:35
in fort worth so much that you fight with your friend and walk away i have to say sorry but i
01:14:43
ate like i ate an apple before we came out here i noticed that i can't stop spitting i'm spitting
01:14:51
so much. Guys in the back, trust me on this, I'm spitting. Okay. So they get into a fight in Fort Worth
01:14:59
at the bar restaurant in Fort Worth and they both walk away from each other really fast and Cherry just kind of
01:15:05
walks in one direction and Peggy Jo walks out into the parking lot and there's a truck sitting there
01:15:11
with the keys and ignitions. She just gets into it and drives away. Yes. Yes. That's what she's like.
01:15:17
Wow. She's my fucking hero. So when she She gets arrested for that. She actually gets the police chaser.
01:15:26
You can't do that. You can't take that guy's truck. He won't have it. Not in Fort Worth.
01:15:33
She gets arrested. She's given five months probation for that. So sometime in the mid-70s, she meets a man, and he lives in a different town.
01:15:44
And she falls in love with him, and it's like he's the one. so one day she goes to meet him
01:15:51
and she goes to see him in that town and when she gets there she sees his car on the street
01:15:56
and so she thinks oh yeah here he is I'm going to go see and gets out of her car
01:16:01
and walks over and as she's walking toward the car she sees a woman go get into the car herself
01:16:06
and she walks up and goes what are you doing and she goes well I'm getting into my husband's car
01:16:10
and that's how she finds out this motherfucker was married the whole time fucking married Ben
01:16:17
what a crock of shit Okay. Just keep that in mind, youngsters, please. Please. I'm begging you. After that, she decides, she tells Cherry, I'm fucking never doing that again. Like, I'm never going to be hurt again. And she decides she's just going to spend time with her family and take care of her mother, who had just been diagnosed with that bone disease. So that's this. That's this. Oh, that's her later. Shit. Sorry.
01:16:45
um got it so okay so it when peggy joe is in her 40s um she gets a really bad back injury um and
01:16:57
then a little bit after that she's forced to have an emergency mastectomy so that's when she realized
01:17:04
like after that those kind of really um scary life-threatening um situations she realizes
01:17:10
that she hasn't really done as much as she's wanted to do with her life. And she always thought, I'll do it.
01:17:16
I'll do it later. I want to have an adventure. I want to be that kind of person, but I have to do it later.
01:17:20
And now she's in her 40s realizing that she doesn't make enough money. Her mom doesn't make enough with Social Security for them to cover these medical bills
01:17:29
and the cost of living. And that's when the string of bank robberies begins. It all comes together in the perfect storm and a fake beard.
01:17:40
So now we go back to the present after she's been arrested. So they release her from jail.
01:17:48
And they move, she moves. So basically, she just has to get out of town because the neighbors are talking about her.
01:17:54
And it like did you hear Peggy Joe So Peggy Joe Bob Um she moves her mom into a small two house in Garland um to get away and uh
01:18:08
she becomes a cashier at the Harbor Bay Marina at Lake Ray Hubbard. So, apparently everyone there loves her, she's the coolest person ever.
01:18:19
She, anybody that they interview for this article, they just have nothing but nice things to say about her.
01:18:26
She's kind. She's a model employee. She even uses her own money to help poorer customers pay for whatever they're trying to buy.
01:18:35
Bait and whatnot. You know, stuff you buy at the lake. The necessities. She works all day, and then she goes home and tends to her mother at night.
01:18:45
And in 2002, her mother Helen passes away at the age of 83. so in spring of 2004
01:18:52
Peggy decides she's going to get that adventure that she had been looking for and she buys herself an RV
01:18:57
because a guy at the marina is selling his RV for $5,900 and so she's like I got some cash hidden away under my beard
01:19:06
oh shit did she? okay so I don't know if that's I'm sure they seized all the money they could
01:19:12
but I would hope that she would stick some like in the bathroom back under a tampon box or somewhere
01:19:18
they wouldn't look. Now everyone knows where to look in your house. Just all sorts of, there's no tampons, but there's tons of cash. It's all fives.
01:19:32
So her plan is she's going to save up a little bit more money and a little time,
01:19:35
and then she's finally going to go and move down to Mexico and live on the beach like she's always
01:19:40
wanted to do all her life. And she tells a friend she wants to do it now, quote, before life runs
01:19:45
out on her. So she sells off her furniture. She moves out of the house in Garland. She starts
01:19:52
living in that RV. So she's basically like, I'm going to get a little more money before I go.
01:19:56
And in the late summer of 2004, she hits the road. She doesn't tell anyone where she's going
01:20:02
or if she plans on coming back. She doesn't, you know, the family, her older sister died of cancer
01:20:08
also. So she really doesn't have much family left except for her brother, Pete. And she just kind of
01:20:13
is like, peace, I'm doing this thing. Do you think she was mad at him for accidentally
01:20:17
turning her in in the first place with the car thing, remember? That doesn't seem to be what Peggy Jo's like.
01:20:23
No. So no one really knows where she is for the next couple months, but they say
01:20:29
they spot her. They spot the RV in different places around town. And she's oftentimes camping out, like
01:20:35
at lakes and in camping areas, just chilling out in the RV. She likes to have a smoke every once in a while.
01:20:42
So in October 2004, an older man in a dark floppy hat, baggy clothes and gloves robs the Guarantee Bank on
01:20:51
the south side of the city, but gets away without a trace. And one teller tells the FBI agent that's
01:20:58
investigating that she was surprised that when the man spoke, he had such a high pitched voice.
01:21:03
Shut your face. She promised everyone she wouldn't do it again when she got out.
01:21:07
Sorry, she's a free spirit. But at this point, Agent Steve Powell is retired. He lives on his ranch, and he's the only one that would know what that meant.
01:21:18
And all the new younger, the young guns are like, all right, cool. We're looking for a guy with a high voice.
01:21:23
Let's do this. So through late 2004 and early 2005, Peggy Joe's family only hears from her from time to time from pay phones around the city.
01:21:35
and then on Thursday, May 5th, 2005, Peggy Jotalis puts on a black, a big black.
01:21:44
Wait, that's today. Whoa, oh my God. Oh, happy Cinco de Mayo, everybody. Shit, we dropped that ball.
01:21:57
We really did. See, that's, do you see the noise you were making and how weird that is out of the blue to us?
01:22:04
That's why I was like, they're oohing something. May 5th. So it's kind of a good thing.
01:22:08
I was like, someone puked again. Well, we're just going to have to get through it.
01:22:11
Snap, snap, snap, snap, snap. No, someone puked a date out of their mouth. It was amazing.
01:22:21
Here, I'll say that again the way I should have. Okay. And then on Thursday, May 5th.
01:22:26
Ooh. 2005. Oh. Peggy Jo Tallis puts on a big black straw hat and a large pair of sunglasses.
01:22:37
She parks her RV in a Jack in the Box parking lot across from that same guarantee bank that had just been robbed the previous October.
01:22:46
And she walks inside. She asks the teller to hand over the cash and she walks out like she's done so many times before.
01:22:53
But this time she does not notice the die pack that the teller puts into the cash.
01:22:58
and as she gets outside that dye pack explodes red ink all over her and the puff of red
01:23:07
smoke goes up into the air. It's like an arrow pointing at her. For real. It's a cursor.
01:23:13
So she basically tries to speed walk with red smoke coming out from behind her. Dollar bills.
01:23:23
My money. What a bummer. That's trailing behind her. So now witnesses see a person walking out of a bank with red dye all over the place.
01:23:31
And they're like, do, do, do, do, do, do, do. Everybody calls the cops. The cops are already in the neighborhood because they have been investigating the bank robberies that have been happening in that area.
01:23:45
And so they immediately are there and they basically get to that Jack in the Box parking lot as Peggy Jo is pulling out in the RV.
01:23:51
So now we are in a low speed police pursuit Holy shit Because it a fucking RV Okay So
01:24:06
this RV cannot even reach the speed limit when she gets onto the highway. Oh, no.
01:24:12
Like, the minimum limit. So, she starts, she tries to get on the highway to get away. It's not
01:24:18
happening, so she pulls off and goes into a residential area. She's like, side streets.
01:24:23
Yes. I'll lose them in this humongous giant two-story car. So pretty soon the police are able to box her in
01:24:33
and surround the vehicle. And of course they're like, you're surrounded, come out with your hands
01:24:38
up. They don't know who's in this, this RV. They have no idea. And there were theories that there
01:24:44
were gangs going around and robbing these banks and there were people working in teams. So they're
01:24:48
like, well, if it's an RV, a bunch of people are in there. Probably. So Peggy Jo stands up, she pulls the curtains, and she goes and sits back at the table, and
01:25:00
she fucking smokes a cig and tries to make a decision about what she's going to do.
01:25:04
It's important to have curtains and a table in your car. That's right. So you can think.
01:25:10
And convenient, yet so good for thinking. Yeah. Then she played solitaire. All the stuff people do in RVs.
01:25:18
thought. So nothing happens for like 10 minutes. And of course the cops are like, come out of the hands. It's getting like
01:25:26
more and more tense. So what she finally makes, she puts out her cigarette and she
01:25:30
makes her decision. She goes into her bedroom and she picks up a toy gun. What? And she walks out
01:25:36
to the front of the RV and opens the door. Smoke one more cigarette and think about that for a little longer.
01:25:43
Oh. Which one are you going to? That's video of it happening. that was on the news.
01:25:50
So that's her leaning out of the RV door talking to the cops. As a woman? Or did she take off her...
01:25:57
Yeah, as herself. She took off... I think the hat is on. That's the floppy hat and the sunglasses.
01:26:03
But she wasn't passing them notes or anything. She was just like, it's me. So the police are shocked to see a 60-year-old woman
01:26:14
standing in the doorway of the bank robber gang RV. And she says to them, you're going to have to kill me.
01:26:23
And they say, we're not going to do that. Just put the gun down and come out. That doesn't have to be that way.
01:26:29
And she says to them, quote, you mean to tell me if I come out of here with a gun and pointed at y'all,
01:26:35
you're not going to shoot me? And the cop that's closest to her says, do not raise that gun.
01:26:41
Please just put it down and come out. she doesn't she steps out and raises the gun and peggy joe tallis is shot four times and killed
01:26:49
on sight oh my god then the police throw a can of tear gas into the rv getting ready for the
01:26:56
fucking bank robbery gang that they think is having their grandma drive them around in an rv
01:27:01
they're prepped for accomplices as well they should be but instead they find the empty rv
01:27:10
this snubbed out cigarette, and when they go into her bedroom, they find her .357 Magnum that she actually owned that she left inside.
01:27:19
Wow. So the FBI, all those agents that were there do the record check. They realize that the dead woman is none other than Peggy Jo Tallis, Cowboy Bob.
01:27:31
So they call Agent Steve Powell, retired Agent Steve Powell, and leave him a message saying, we have some bad news for you.
01:27:38
and when saying they have some bad news about his old nemesis and when he calls back he just says
01:27:44
say it isn't so do you think they had fallen in love maybe lightly yes right right because that's
01:27:53
why would you be so passionate to to catch somebody yeah when it was like oh my god and
01:27:58
then he's also questioning his sexuality which is hot yeah maybe i like beards he thinks to himself
01:28:04
secretly. What? I never knew that about myself. And then he sees the glue on her upper lip and
01:28:10
then he's like, I'm into glue. That's what I like. I love sniffing glue. I've never been able to.
01:28:16
Oh my God. So, uh, this is a, this is a quote from a skips article from her friend,
01:28:24
cherry again, quote, I might cry during this. Sometimes I can't get over the sadness that
01:28:30
she's gone. But then I think about her walking out of that bank, 60 years old, that bag full
01:28:34
of money. And I have to say that she went out doing what she loved. Robbing fucking banks.
01:28:45
Robbing fucking banks. What the fuck? We'll never understand it, but she was doing what
01:28:52
she loved. I wish I could write her a note and say, good for you, my sweet peg. Good for
01:28:57
you. I tell you, this is my favorite person of all fucking time. When I tell you, because
01:29:11
listen, and I think we all know this, it's kind of, the way this society is set up is
01:29:16
kind of a scam in lots of different ways, especially the banking system. And the medical
01:29:22
fucking system the medical system the banking system the invisibility of women over the age
01:29:27
of 20 fucking seven that's right the whole fucking thing why not all the way to the top
01:29:33
if you can fucking listen if you can take advantage of the things that normally oppress you
01:29:40
and turn them around and get three thousand four hundred and seventy three dollars every once in
01:29:44
a while without hurting anyone without hurting anyone without threatening anyone without making
01:29:48
it traumatic in any way. You fucking get that paper, girl. All right. Just saying I very inspired Just saying Are we bank robbers now I mean we have to think of something different because Peggy already did it And we just told everyone They wouldn tell Anna They won tell
01:30:09
um okay so then i searched our email and found an email that someone wrote into us yes yes and
01:30:16
it starts like this dear all or should i say y'all um long time listener first time to get my lazy
01:30:26
ass to finally write this email honestly i can't believe i did it on a monday but here we are
01:30:31
is this from is this from her from peggy joe oh like it sounds like her already uh i grew up in
01:30:38
a small town in North Texas called Rockwall. It sits on the outskirts of Dallas and is surrounded
01:30:47
by a very large man-made lake that is used on the reg for speedboats, fishing, jet skiing, etc.
01:30:53
There are a few marinas along the waters bank, but one was the most popular, mainly because the
01:30:58
woman, Peggy, who ran the bait and convenience shop located on site was pretty legit. She was
01:31:05
pleasant, friendly, and would even spot you if you were a little short on docking fees.
01:31:10
Oh my God. Mostly the younger crowd populated this location as it was also easy at the time to score some
01:31:15
cheap beers, although we were underage. So fucking Peggy Joe's like, you can have it.
01:31:21
Go ahead. Smoke. Smoke. Smoke. Don't tell your mother it's from me. Flash forward a number of years and my boyfriend, who was a habitual wakeboarder and was on
01:31:33
the lake daily received a text from an old friend mentioning that old Peggy Jo from the
01:31:38
marina had died. Well, she didn't just die. She was shot and killed by the FBI. Little did anyone know Peggy Jo Tallis was another character that was well known in the
01:31:50
eyes of the law. And she basically goes on and explains word for word exactly what I've just said.
01:31:55
and basically it ends with it's inevitably she died at the scene which was discovered after the handgun
01:32:04
was a child's toy and it's very sad because also all the cops and the agents that were there
01:32:10
they were like there was nothing that indicated that that gun was a toy at all sometimes they have the orange safety caps and shit like that
01:32:18
I mean it was a lot of them were super fucked up about that whole thing It was suicide by cop.
01:32:26
I mean, that's clearly. She was like, I'm fucking Butch Cassidy-ing this thing. And it was her choice to do so.
01:32:34
And the last line is, pretty crazy shit for a small Texas town. But then again, I guess sometimes that's the best place to hide.
01:32:41
I hope to make it to the Austin show in November. JK, just saw it's already sold out.
01:32:50
Oh, I wish you could go back in time and give her a ticket. What? SSDGM page. Page.
01:32:56
And that is the insane story of the bank robber, Peggy Jotalis. Wow. Fucking lover.
01:33:06
Epic. So good. Epic, amazing, great job. Thank you. I know that one wasn't like, I usually like to do a lot more jokes, but fucking, I don't know.
01:33:17
I just think that's so, there's something about that story that's so awesome. It's like a person like it's never it's not over.
01:33:23
You can, you know, try to do felonies and stuff, but you can you can do whatever you want at any stage of life you want.
01:33:32
You can do it. You can reinvent yourself. You can reinvent yourself. You cannot reinvent yourself and do what you love to do in your 20s.
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Yes. You're 60. Yes. Rob bank. Why fucking not? Boom. Karen, that's that you delivered.
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I feel like everyone was on the edge of their seat. I had never heard that story before.
01:33:51
So it was still one of my favorites. I'm so I can't believe we never posted that whole episode.
01:33:56
I'm so glad we get to bring breathe life back into that. We can't. Look, these quilts are more than just.
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That's right. Me needing to have a vacation in Ventura. Not there. It's not just vacation.
01:34:10
It's actually. All right. And then for the hometown, what should we do now? Now, the hometown is going to be from a show that we did in December 8th of 2017.
01:34:23
So if you were at the St. Louis, Missouri show that we did at the Powell Symphony Hall,
01:34:29
you will remember this story that Mindy told us. How funny is it that she was pregnant and now her kid is three or four?
01:34:38
I don't know math. Is a toddler. Four years old. Thank you. That's crazy. All right.
01:34:44
Going to be four this year. Oh, my God. And in the 90th percentile. We're guessing.
01:34:49
So enjoy this story from Mindy. Oh, let's tell them about this. Oh, yes. Okay. So I was going to, for a little while, I wanted my big thing to be that I was going to buy a blouse in the casino clothing store.
01:35:04
You know, they always have those. They're just like three things of each color. Like, come on, if you spilled something on your top, come in here and get some.
01:35:12
So I went in there. I was positive I was going to do it. And the only black shirt they had had these big white rings that were cut through so that your skin would show.
01:35:22
I was like, I simply can't do that. But then we just started actually shopping around the store.
01:35:29
And they had some pretty good stuff. So we were like, okay, we're going to do a hometown.
01:35:33
Let's get this insane gift for the hometown person. Yeah, we got a little hometown murder prize.
01:35:38
I'll model it for the front while you tell them what it is. This is a gorgeous piece.
01:35:43
This is probably from the 1600s, I would think. Real diamonds, real diamonds. And probably jade.
01:35:51
Also, what's nice is that the actual ring finger part is, it's stretchy like a watch.
01:35:59
Yeah. It's not going to fit anybody. And essentially it's an octopus with diamond encrusted arms holding a fish with a diamond eye.
01:36:09
It's classic. It's beautiful. We're going to start the bidding at $2. The best thing about it is the fish is screaming in terror.
01:36:17
His mouth is open and his eye is this big. Poor guy. This is a violent moment captured in jade.
01:36:25
And we can't wait to give it to whoever has. Now, let me tell you really quickly the rules of hometown.
01:36:31
We've developed over the live shows. You've heard me say this if you've ever listened to a live show.
01:36:36
You can't be so drunk that you lose your place in your own story. We love if you're drunk, and God bless, but you've got to deliver the narrative.
01:36:45
It's important, beginning and middle end. It's good that it's from St. Louis so everybody can know it and have fun with it.
01:36:52
I think Missouri and John, like close by. Close by. Certainly don't go out of state.
01:36:57
Um, what was the third one? Um, you know, just give it your all. Give it a go. Just kidding.
01:37:04
I think that was it. Just kidding. And it's your thing. Georgia's been picking some great ones lately, so don't let her down.
01:37:12
Okay, who has a hometown? Uh, I'm going to just, yeah, you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
01:37:18
Go over to Vince right there. But what's exciting about this is that she's already won that ring.
01:37:27
Yeah. That ring is yours. You can start planning outfits around it now. Just as you walk, think about what you're going to wear.
01:37:35
So come down here and there. I absolutely should have chosen someone. I'd take up the pace.
01:37:39
Go there. Wait. Go over there. Oh, are there steps? Oh, they're taking photos with men.
01:37:52
It's fucking mayhem in here. Yeah. I should have invited someone closer to the oh
01:38:01
there's a lit sign up there oh whoa I don't have my glasses it says I almost got murdered
01:38:09
oh shit there's a light up sign in the very back that says I almost got murdered
01:38:14
oh no fuck let's send this girl out okay here she comes you should bring that everywhere you go
01:38:22
I would Hi. Hi. Hi, what's your name? Mindy. Mindy, everybody. Come over here. Hi, Mindy.
01:38:33
How's it going? It's great. How are you? Good. Are you mad at me? No. Okay. I'm really happy.
01:38:41
Okay. Also, I'm pregnant. You guys always talk about pregnant people. Yay. I thought I didn't want to say anything, but when you were walking up the aisle and you
01:38:48
were like, hurry up. And I wanted to be like, I think she's pregnant. No, I wore this really awesome shirt that my husband bought me.
01:38:53
for our two-year anniversary. Yay! Because we really like Star Wars. Yes! Because it's no moon.
01:38:59
Okay, I'm glad you're actually pregnant. That's no one. Mindy, where are you from?
01:39:05
I'm actually from Crevecore. Okay. What's that? What's that? It's about 15 minutes down 40 from here.
01:39:10
It's local. It's real close. Free to core? Crevecore. It's West County. Will you spell it?
01:39:17
C-R-E-V-E-C-O-E-U-R. I have to picture it. Wow. Something heart? So it's, in St. Louis, we have this thing.
01:39:30
Let her tell it. Where there's all kinds of French words that we say wrong. Oh, nice.
01:39:35
We love that. So it should be crevcore, meaning broken heart. But we say crevcore because that's how we do.
01:39:42
Well, good. You're psychic. We support that 100%. 100 So I here with my sister who came all the way from Vegas Whoa And her friend who my friend now Kat And they sitting right behind your uncle We sitting right behind your uncle Thanks for taking care of him What your murder Or do you want to talk about your family more
01:40:07
I mean, no. It also happened in Creep Corp. Okay. And so when I was in second grade, I was friends with this girl,
01:40:15
and I'm going to not say her real name because she's a real person, so I'll just call her Julie.
01:40:20
And so Julie and I were real tight. We're hanging out all the time. She was a real quirky girl.
01:40:27
She liked NASA. I thought she was going to be an astronaut. She's not, but anyway.
01:40:30
So I was always going to her house. And she had this house that my parents called it the compound because her mom lived there and both of her grandparents and then her mom's friend.
01:40:45
And, okay, so it's 1987, so 80s, and not a lot of people were divorced then. And so I'm like, Mom, what's up with, you know, who's the friend?
01:40:55
And my mom's like, oh, don't worry about it. But I kept asking about it. I'm like seven years old.
01:41:00
And finally she's like, okay, Mindy, she doesn't have a dad, so that's her mom's boyfriend.
01:41:06
And I was like, oh, okay, well, where's her dad? And my mom's like, okay, Mindy.
01:41:12
You're seven. You're old enough to know. Yeah. She was like, her grandpa killed her dad.
01:41:17
and I was like with the grandpa that he's at the house and I'm always there and we're hanging out
01:41:25
and she had these it was one of these amazing families where you'd go there and there was
01:41:30
always a project like we would for her birthday I would like sit on her grandpa's lap and he would
01:41:34
help me iron these bows that we were making and you know those big 80s bows you weren't in here
01:41:39
with the headbands and so we would be doing this and I'm hanging out with her grandpa and I'm like
01:41:43
oh, okay, this, like, murdering isn't that big a deal because I'm hanging out with him.
01:41:48
And so, anyhow, and, like, her mom would sit at the piano, and they would all sing together,
01:41:56
and it was like, so I'm, so I'm creating this, like, this very happy family picture, right?
01:42:04
And I'm like, it's only the grandpa, like, fine, whatever. And so, seven-year-old, yeah.
01:42:11
Yeah. So anyway, a couple of nights ago, I knew I was coming here. So I was like to parents, I'm like, you need to get this story straight. And my dad's a lawyer and he's like, okay, so here's the real deal. What happened was when Julie was five, she started reporting to her mom and grandparents that she was being sexually abused by what was her divorced dad.
01:42:33
and the mom and the grandparents were like, well, we can't have this, but they, 80s, couldn't do anything about it.
01:42:39
So he still had his visitation rights, whatever. So they planned this thing where when he came back,
01:42:45
they were in the kitchen and the grandpa stabbed him, in my dad's words, probably a bunch of times with a kitchen knife.
01:42:55
Oh my God. We're not done yet. because then the whole family probably not including julie comes together and they chop
01:43:06
him up into little pieces i told you the piano thing red flag i told you you're pushing it you're
01:43:16
pushing it you're trying to put this show on yeah so they chop him up into little pieces they put
01:43:21
him in a bag and we were talking about this in the car we decided he had to be chopped into little
01:43:25
pieces because he might not have fit in the bag they had specifically picked. So then they drive
01:43:32
out on like family road trip to St. Charles, you guys know, which by the way is where I work. And
01:43:41
they drive out to St. Charles, they find like a back road and they just bury him there. And then
01:43:47
they go about living their lives. And one day some guy, and I guess he was like a hunter with a dog
01:43:54
or something and he found the body and calls the police and they put this all together and they figure out this is Julie dad And so they show up at the compound
01:44:06
which is just our name for it, but they show up there, and they are like, what has happened here?
01:44:13
And the whole family is like, we have no idea what you're talking about. And so, according...
01:44:18
But they're British? It's a British family. Oh, they just became British. Just for that moment.
01:44:24
So my, according to my dad, who knows this from like lawyers and other lawyers, whatever,
01:44:31
apparently they like systematically would pull like each member of the family and jail
01:44:36
them for 48 hours and like grill them. Nobody would break. Wow. Everybody had no idea what happened.
01:44:43
So they would do this for months and months. Like they would hide this from Julie somehow.
01:44:49
And so this happened, started when she was five. We're the same age. So seven, second grade, it's still happening.
01:44:57
Like the whole family is still living in the house. They're still, the police are stalking and bothering them all the time.
01:45:03
They can't get anything out of them. And like my dad, meanwhile, is going to these lawyer-like corporate parties.
01:45:09
He sees her grandparents and her parent there. They're all hanging out. I'm going there all the time.
01:45:15
It turns out my parents know that this family like chopped this guy up and buried him somewhere.
01:45:20
And they're like sending me over there all the time. It sounds like a really safe place, honestly.
01:45:26
No one's going to fuck with you. It actually sounds like the safest place a little girl could be.
01:45:31
Yeah, we're getting to that. So I guess at some point, her grandpa decided that he would agree to, he's like, I didn't do it, but I'm going to plead to second degree murder so that you'll leave my family alone.
01:45:48
So they came to some agreement that if he was there in jail for seven years, then when it was all over, they would leave the whole family alone.
01:45:56
And at that point, Julie switched schools and just we didn't see them anymore. And I'm like, I go to college.
01:46:03
I come back. I'm waitressing at Cecil Whitaker's Pizza. And I wait on their family.
01:46:11
And it's the mom and the grandparents. and obviously meanwhile I don't know all that happened
01:46:17
and they're all happy and the mom's trying to get me to take a class that she teaches
01:46:21
and the grandparents are updating me and Julie telling me how everything's going
01:46:25
and everything is all good and so anyway so when I'm asking my parents about this
01:46:31
I'm like wait you knew the whole thing when I was seven and you sent me over there repeatedly and they were like
01:46:39
well we knew you'd be safe Oh, 80s parents. They were right. They have no shame.
01:46:48
They don't even regret it. Oh, shit, Mindy. That was amazing. Thanks. Yay. I don't mind.
01:47:00
No. I don't mind a child molester getting chopped up. No. We've heard much worse than that.
01:47:05
We've heard so much worse than that. Where's that ring? Oh, my God. Look what you just get.
01:47:09
Here. Okay, can you just describe what you're seeing to the people right now. I don't know if I could do a better job than you guys did.
01:47:15
Okay, then see you later. Okay, it's like a lime green. And it's almost as if this thing is wearing a...
01:47:27
Oh, he has the fish, but it looks like he's wearing the fish. It does look like a little fish ring.
01:47:31
Maybe the fish is also a ring. Yeah, like the octopus is wearing a ring and so am I.
01:47:36
Okay. That's better than the fish being killed. I like that. Thank you so much. That was amazing.
01:47:43
You did such a good job. Mindy, everybody. That's how you do it. Thank you. All right. Thanks, Mindy. Way to go.
01:47:53
And for our fucking hooray we wanted to recognize and shout out and give some support to our Texas murderinos and everyone in town
01:48:06
We know you guys down there are really going through some really heavy shit. It's really heavy to see the news coming out of Texas.
01:48:14
It's really horrible to see so many people stranded, abandoned, not have food, not have water.
01:48:20
Like, it's just kind of insane. And we're really feeling for you. And especially because and we used to talk about this early days that Texas murderinos showed up early and strong.
01:48:34
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They were just like Texas all over Texas. And we were like, what? Really? They don't hate our guts.
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OK. And in fact, you love us and we love you. So we're going to donate $10,000 to the Texas Relief Fundraiser so that you guys get taken care of because you deserve it.
01:49:03
And in the name of we're going to donate that money in the name of the Murderinos of Texas.
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Yep. So thanks, you guys. And we're thinking of you and fuck. Hold on tight and take care of each other.
01:49:14
Yeah, definitely. Yeah. So thanks for listening. Thanks for being here. Take care of yourself.
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It's bumpy out there. It's been a bumpy year. But look at you. You got through it.
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You are still here a year later. And we're continuing on. Yeah, we're just going to keep plowing through because that's what we do, you know?
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And that's, you'll find some light. Take that out. You'll find some light at the end of your disgusting, dark, ugly tunnel.
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