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Hello! Hello! And welcome to My Favorite Murder. That's Georgia Hartstar. Thank you, that's Karen Kilgara.

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You're welcome. But Frank. That's a dog snuffling excitedly. Frank. Frank's doing a thing on the bed where he's just running his nose.

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He's driving his nose back and forth along the bed. Oh, it feels good. Did you get some itches?

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What's happening? It feels good. How's it going? It's going, man. It's good. We're recording Mondays now.

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It is a change, though. Mondays are a different vibe. They are. Tuesdays, sometimes Wednesdays, if we were really going to push it.

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Mondays is like we're getting it together. Yeah. So if we're missing, like if Bitcoin explodes on Wednesday and we don't somehow you're like, how are they not talking about Bitcoin and Dogecoin?

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It's because. Dogecoin is the new American currency. Why aren't they even addressing?

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In the fan cult, we only accept Dogecoin now because it's cute. So get used to it.

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There's a lot of that kind of stuff that I'm like, I'm pretending that I can ignore it where it's like, well, I'm old.

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it doesn't apply to me where it's like, yeah, that's exactly how you basically get sucked under

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by culture. Yeah. Does money apply to you? Because. Oh, please. Yes. I hope. You know,

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I stay young by reading Reddit and reading up on what happens in Reddit. They keep me young, man.

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Those commenters. I stay young with emollients and moisturizers. slathering them

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I stay young by eating the blood of no careful I almost gave away my secret you'll give away

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you'll be attacked by QAnon if you start making jokes like that I had lunch with my mom today

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speaking of which I was just going to say she looks incredible she's like 75 is a hot piece.

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She's a gorgeous woman. She had no work done. I'm 40 and have had more work done

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than she has. And she used to bathe in the sun with Crisco on as a child. And she looks incredible.

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Does she eat a certain type of diet? No! She doesn't adhere to a certain this or that?

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No, we're big red wine. red wine you know she's healthy she eats well i'm like can i get a piece of that those jeans

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hopefully you're my real mother because yeah keep this is where it all comes out i know i start to age terribly and she's like well

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got something i gotta tell you uh she also has amazing hair oh a mane it's a mane truly the

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first time I saw her, she walked in when we were decorating for your wedding. And she came in with

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sunglasses on her head. And this head of hair, I was like, is Gloria Steinem here? Who is that?

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It was crazy. She looks she looks like she hasn't actually worked hard her whole entire life,

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which she absolutely has and had three children who were very rambunctious. Yes. At once,

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basically. Yeah. Both my parents. Yeah, back to back. You know, just thinking, how much older is your sister than you?

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18 months, baby. Same as yours. Oh, shit. Oh, you're Irish twins, too. We're Irish

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twins. I was a gift, not an accident. She always tells me that. Then don't bring it up.

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I don't need to know anything, though. I don't need to know that. You don't have to blame yourself for all

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the troubles of their marriage, Georgia, if you just didn't know that. No, it has nothing to do with you.

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It has nothing. You know what? Maybe that's what keeps Janet's skin so tight is she just keeps telling the

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truth. Like, dude, it's very, dude. What am I doing? Was there, did you have a little story about a,

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you told me some people got shots out Oh yeah I wanted to give a shout out to the shout out that the Weed Arenos got What Yeah In an article in Vulture by Kevin Cortez wrote an article called The Wide and Wonderful World of Weed Podcasts which amen

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I thought it was just Doug Benson. I didn't know there was a wide world. Doug Benson and our friend Henry Zebrowski of Last Podcast on the Left.

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Did you know that Last Podcast on the Left had herb grinders in their merch store that sold out immediately?

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That's awesome. And then they're also going to launch official podcast Weed Vapes in the future.

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So God's work, gentlemen. The ultimate crossover. Well done, boys. But so then it says, and beyond the category of podcast creators, there are the Weederinos, the weeded My Favorite Murder, Murderinos fans who congregate and bond over pot on Facebook.

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Just like they're making the stigma of smoking weed, less so. And so I want to give them a shout out for their shout out.

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And we support you. And here's how you do that. You go, hey, man. Hey, man. Hey, man. Hey, man. Beer funds?

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Cool, man. Beer funds? Weed Arenas represent. That's right. Thank you for listening. Thank you

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for 420-ing every day. We accept all types in this community. We appreciate you, and we think we can learn from you

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too. I'm not high right now. Believe it or not. God, I wish I had a piece of news for you, but

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I truly, I mean, I've done a lot. I've done a lot of patting myself on the back because I do the dishes every morning.

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Karen, can I just tell you how much more that is than I do every day, every day, quarantine or not?

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I mean, but I'm almost doing it just so I'm like, don't, you know. Well, here's a better way to say it.

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I had a couple people over. It started as I was going to have one person over to eat dinner who had also had their second shot a while ago.

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And then people started hearing about it. So we had it like basically it was a four person dinner party, which is how I discovered I only had two forks.

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Total. Can you fucking believe that shit? I was like, I don't notice. Right. I just use the one and then the other one's in the sink.

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It doesn't really it didn't come up for me. And then I went to grab forks. There was two.

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I was just like, well, this is very embarrassing. Bring your own fork. B-Y-O-I-O.

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Thank God, though, we ordered so much Chinese food. The Chin Chin just gave us so many, not just chopsticks, but forks that it was covered easily and everyone didn't care.

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But I was the point of the story was that at the end of the night, everyone went home and it was, of course, very short because we all got exhausted immediately.

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point being um we all everyone everyone went home and i laid down to um watch my british

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procedurals and go to sleep on the couch i was filled with what can only be described as like an

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effervescent feeling that i haven't had in a year and a half or since i've been around more than

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two dogs or like one other person before. It was the weird, it was the weirdest thing where I,

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I finally got the sense of how empty my tank is in terms of just like actually being a human being

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because I laid down, I was like, I felt like it had been my birthday party and it literally was

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like four of us eating Chinese food and that's it. It was not that big of a deal at all. And I was

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like kind of giggly and then I just went, holy fuck. This is what it's a reset button on everyone's

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social life. I feel like we can reassess what we want it to look like, how we want to like

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arrive and present ourselves. Yeah, but I but it's the I didn't understand. I think we've all

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been coping and i think the coping meeting the second vaccination we're now transitioning out

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of coping and into trying to start over and that in between phase is very odd and painful and

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problematic probably it's going to create issues and it's also it's like you can't cope and

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acknowledge how like not great it is you know what i mean you just have to get through it and

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like not think about it. Yeah. So the fact the first you know, the first one was just like,

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oh, my God, it was like it was so exciting for something very standard of just like eating,

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eating some food and chit chatting. The fork revelation is a big one, though. I feel like

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that's got to be remedied before the quarantine's over. Where did they go? I haven't left this house.

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It's not like, you know, when you used to I would I definitely did this all the time where I'd be

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running late and throw something together to bring in the car. I've seen you in the offices

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with silverware. I thought you were just posh showing off. Yeah, I like to show off spoons.

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Look, this is mine. I say to people right now, I will fizz to eat yogurt off of plastic.

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It's bad for the environment. First of all, these are forks. So that like I don't take dinner

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anywhere. Like the whole idea of it is so odd. And I just can imagine where they are or where they went It vulnerable for you to admit it I just keep buying more It really strong And soups I hate little spoons and little forks

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I just keep, you can't buy whatever. Let's talk about, this is called Cutlery Corner.

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Cutlery Corner. Oh, remember, remember we used to watch? Oh, remember the night show?

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Yes. The night show. This is early days. This is another Vince. Vince is great at like stoner TV.

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he's really good at it and so the knife show which was just a qvc like off-brand qvc

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knives all kinds of knives knives not like dinner knives but like knife sets but bowie bowie knife

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bowie bowie knives david bowie knives yeah uh swords so swords swords and just anything you

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your little heart desires and then the hosts were just like precious they were amazing and it was

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always when we were back in the hotel room after live shows. Hey, Karen, if you've seen this

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episode of Forensic Files, turn on channel, whatever the fuck, texting between rooms.

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Then there was one where we were like, turn on the TV. Paul Holes is on an old episode of

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Dateline, remember? Yeah, where he was repping 1993 Forensics. That's right. When he was just like, guys, I'm telling you,

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the new thing is going to be DNA. Please don't spit at the crime scene anymore when you're cleaning up the scene, it really fucks things up.

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Okay. Yeah, please. It's really important. Yeah. Yeah, that's just my, that's my, the end of quarantine adjustment period, I think,

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is people need to really give themselves some room. No big moves. There's going to be big feelings.

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Try to surf right through those. You know, take a walk. go outside that's helpful beautiful out there man pretty nice it's springtime can i tell you

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speaking of going for walks we've been like trying to find outdoor things to do with my nephews you

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know because they don't like to eat masks or i say that because my sister had to kept yelling at

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five-year-old joe stop eating your mask he likes to suck it into his mouth and chew on it joe baby

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stop eating your mask and then little lose too young to wear one you know so we went to train

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town in Griffith Park, which is just this lovely little, they have old trains that you can walk in

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and see what they're like and stuff. And kids love trains. So my nephew is 10 there was there. And

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he's kind of Micah is kind of, you know, over it. He's a big kid now. He likes anime. Yeah. So

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he kept saying, Georgia, are you going to get recognized? Auntie Georgia, are you going to get

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recognized? And I was like, if someone doesn't fucking walk up to me with my favorite murder

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shirt on right now, and hug me, he's going to be so disappointed in me. I almost wanted to pay

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someone but then when we left we were in the parking lot and someone this lovely lady did and

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i was like will you go find my nephew and tell him that you know who i am that's it and then i text

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him because now he's a texter oh that's nor is a texter too now i get to text her anytime who gave

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you a phone kid she got a um for christmas she got to get a phone because everybody else was

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She's a teenager, though, so I feel like that's okay. Yeah, she is. But does he not have a phone he gets to text on his parents' phone?

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No, he has his own phone now. And I offered him my old laptop to play games and stuff on.

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And they were like, no, he's fine. He has a gaming laptop. He's a gamer now. And they were like, we're good.

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Thanks. See, that's the thing. LA 10 is NorCal 14. Totally. I always said this growing up.

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There were kids whose parents would get divorced. The dad would move to L.A. And then the summer that kid would go down to L.A.

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And when they came back, they were literally like two years ahead of everybody else.

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Yeah. So I'm going to donate it. There's like a really good program where you can donate old electronics, not old, you know, electronics to to schools that are in need of those things.

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So. Oh, good. Yeah. I'm going to do that. But Micah, don't fucking need my shit.

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View important disclosures at acorns.com slash mfm. Goodbye. Should we go in? This is a quilt episode.

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Should we go into our intros? Let's quilt it up, baby. Come on. Am I first, Stephen? Yep. You're first this week.

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OK, what you got? So this is guys just it's like one more big announcement. This my story this week is from if you heard this episode, it was in the 20, maybe six hours that it was posted in 2019 before we had to pull it right back down for legal issues.

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It's the infamous Lost Glasgow episode. And yeah, we had to pull it down for legal issues. But turns out my story was in the clear. So we're going to share the half that we can share with you this week. So this is us. I mean, it feels like it was only yesterday.

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That we were escaping the UK without going to prison. so this is uh the glasgow 2019 show and so here's my story of me covering the beast of

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birkenshaw i'm gonna do the beast of birkenshaw peter manuel wow but man i don't like this story

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man you don't like it you know i try to find the ones that are like kind of weird and kind

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of interesting and i can go off and then make a ton of jokes about this guy's not funny at all

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but amazing and yeah it's also like those stories that come from like the starts in the 50s

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and just it's like the dark ages of police and detective work it's just like there was nothing

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anyone had they had to find like a knife in a hand to get like actual hard evidence

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so there's so many situations in this story where they're like but there's no evidence so they couldn't do it or they like put their

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cigarette out on the evidence on accident that they were smoking while investigating.

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Well, they were calling in photographers from the newspapers to come and stand on evidence

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real quick before they picked up the evidence. It was a different time. Okay. So I got a lot of information on a website called oldglasgomurders.blogspot.com.

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Perfect. That's why I laughed so hard at yours. I was like, how many Glasgow murder blog spots are there?

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And then I remembered how big the internet is. I also watched a series on Daily Motion called Serial Killers,

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and this one is specifically about the Beast of Berkenshaw, and an article on a website called Radio Times that was written by Eleanor Blay Griffiths.

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Okay, so we start on July 30th, 1955. That night, around 11 p.m., 29-year-old Mary McLaughlin is walking home from a dance

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when a man jumps out of the bushes, covers her mouth, holds a knife to her throat, and tells her not to speak.

00:29:11

So everyone's worst nightmare. He makes her climb over a fence so that they're in a secluded field.

00:29:17

And there he spends the next hour alternately groping and kissing her and then threatening to cut off her head.

00:29:26

When he finally stops, he apologizes to Mary, explains that he's just upset and that her red hair reminded him of someone

00:29:33

and made him want to kill. Oh, oh, you're upset? Then by all means. What the fuck?

00:29:39

Take someone with a knife, you fucking psychotic baby. Okay, so. He then asks Mary if she'd like a cigarette

00:29:48

and offers to walk her home. You know, to protect her from all the other fucking rapists

00:29:53

that are out there. Oh my God Then he mentions to her that he thinks they ride the same bus Fuck So Mary reports the attack to the police and with her help they able to identify her attacker as 28 repeat offender Peter Manuel

00:30:11

All right. Yeah. From the office? What's his name? Jim from the office? American.

00:30:21

American office. John Krasinski, ladies and gentlemen. Stop trying to be a fucking movie hero, dude.

00:30:33

John Krasinski went on like a no-carb diet, and now he's lost his mind. I think it looks almost exactly like Robert De Niro.

00:30:44

Oh, yeah. And there's actually, I was looking at this picture, like Jay sent me a bunch of options for the pictures, and I picked this one,

00:30:52

And then later on I found one where it looks exactly like Robert De Niro. We trust you.

00:30:58

So that guy, Peter Manuel, he was born originally in New York City. So this one's on us.

00:31:06

But to Scottish parents. And in 1927, his family moves back to Scotland in 1932 when he's five years old.

00:31:15

They move down to Coventry, and that's where Peter really gets serious about being a shitty little criminal.

00:31:22

So he's a very smart child. He earns himself a spot in a good grammar school. And then he gets caught breaking into a house in grammar school.

00:31:32

Holy shit. In grammar school. This is, I think, under the age of 10, I believe. So he gets kicked out of the good grammar school and he has to go to what's called an approved school,

00:31:43

which is basically like a boarding school juvie, essentially. Delinquent boarding school.

00:31:49

So he stays there for a while, runs away from that one. Apparently he, over his lifetime, got a reputation as a big breakout artist.

00:31:58

So he runs away from that school. He gets caught, of course, then he has to just go to a different boarding school for bad children.

00:32:05

When, in 1941, he's 14, again, he gets caught breaking into a house down the street from his new school.

00:32:12

but now his crimes have begun to escalate from just plain petty crimes to Jesus fucking Christ

00:32:19

what's going on. They always seem to do that. Yeah they do but this guy's doing it in like his early

00:32:25

teens which is crazy. So apparently he breaks into this house and then according to the report

00:32:32

quote the lady of the house saw him coming from her bedroom with an axe in his hand and as a result

00:32:39

she had a nervous breakdown. Yeah. Horrifying. Yeah. It's a murder child in my house. Oh my God.

00:32:47

Okay. So within the year, Peter's charged with three more cases of breaking and entering and

00:32:51

of robbery. Um, and during one of those robbery robberies, he decides he, he comes upon a woman

00:32:58

sleeping in her bed. It's her house. So he, um, he starts beating over the, her over the head with

00:33:03

a hammer. Yeah. And it leaves her with a concussion and brain hemorrhage, but she survives.

00:33:09

so yeah so when he's 15 he's not even a freshman yet he assaults the wife of one of the school's

00:33:22

staff members he doesn't give a fuck so he knocks that woman out with a stick he strips her he drags her

00:33:31

into the woods he attempts to rape her but he's caught in the act but she and he hurts her badly

00:33:39

enough that she has to get stitches, but other than that, she's okay. He's charged with indecent

00:33:45

assault and pleads guilty to robbery with violence. Okay, so it's 1943 now. He's 16.

00:33:54

And he lands himself in Borstal, which is basically, it's a juvie down there. Kind of famous one.

00:34:01

And he serves two years there. And the staff that works there describes him as a slippery

00:34:08

customer. Perfect. Oh yeah, the little kid with the axe. He's a slippery customer. You better watch

00:34:18

out. Okay, so when his two years are up at Borstel, he's 18, so he moves back in with his parents,

00:34:25

who now live in Berkenshaw, just outside Glasgow. So it takes him about less than three years to get

00:34:34

himself back in prison. In March 1946, he's arrested for the rape and another breaking,

00:34:39

for rape, sorry, and another breaking and entering charge. But he gets eight years this time.

00:34:44

In October of 1952, he's released, gets a job with British Railways for two and a half years.

00:34:52

Then the company finds out about his insane past and they fire him. So around 1954, 1955,

00:34:59

he meets a red-headed woman named Anna O'Hare, and they fall in love. They plan to get married in July of 1955,

00:35:09

but then Anna finds out about Peter's criminal history, and she breaks it off. That night, July 30, 1955, an enraged Peter assaults Mary McLaughlin.

00:35:22

Okay, so he is arrested and tried for the assault of Mary McLaughlin, and the evidence against him is damning.

00:35:29

A knife with his fingerprints, Mary's blood on his shirt, Mary's account of what happened that night.

00:35:36

Ben. No. Uh-huh. He insists upon acting as his own defense. Hey, baby. As they always do, those psychopaths.

00:35:44

They fucking love it. They're the smartest people on the planet. They know everything.

00:35:48

He tells the court that he and Mary had actually been seeing each other and that they were having a fight on the evening of July 30th He says he did hit her in the mouth which explains the blood on the shirt but that Mary made everything else up because she jealous and she out for revenge

00:36:05

The jury declares no verdict due to lack of evidence and Peter Manuel walks free.

00:36:11

Fuck! The bad old times, everybody, the bad old times. It's just 12 dudes on that jury going, oh man, I know some jealous bitches.

00:36:23

Let him go! Let him go. The court reporter's like shaking her head. You motherfuckers, you've done it again.

00:36:31

I can't wait for 2019. Okay. So Peter Manuel's already known around town as an arrogant asshole,

00:36:42

but now he believes himself to be untouchable because he basically got himself off in this case

00:36:48

that Mary McLaughlin was trying to get him prosecuted for. So on January 2nd, 1956, that evening, 17-year-old Ann Neelands is getting ready for a local dance at her friend's house.

00:37:02

So Ann's dad wouldn't let her wear makeup. So she walked down to her friend's house so she could get ready there.

00:37:09

And she gets ready for this dance. Her friends are taking too long, so she decides to leave and go by herself.

00:37:17

That's the last time those friends saw her alive. so she walks into the village of Blanter alone

00:37:24

was it hi Blanter? and is Blanter incorrectly pronounced? it's been great talking to you all

00:37:36

thanks so much just an audience laughing at you it's so hard at you but you don't know why

00:37:50

Usually you have so much control over why they're laughing Anyway, um, I honestly think that when I was writing high blanter into the entire tire

00:38:02

The entire Yeah, but okay From the documentary I was watching, that's how they pronounced it

00:38:11

And I wrote it out phonetically and like correctly phonetically where bland is in all caps

00:38:15

Like it's in the dictionary Okay, but I guess you know better than a documentary.

00:38:23

Okay. Okay, so the reason Anne's excited to go to this dance is because she has a date that's going to meet her there.

00:38:32

But when she gets there, he's stood her up. Right, but she still stays at the dance until after midnight, and then, once again, she walks home alone.

00:38:43

So she thinks she's alone, but actually she's being followed. And then she realizes there is a man following her and she starts to run and he chases her.

00:38:54

He catches her. He drags her onto the East Kilbride golf course where he rapes her and then brutally beats her to death with a blunt object.

00:39:03

Terribly beat. He caved her skull in, but he also beat her in the face. So it's when the police actually, you know, when they found the body, it was that kind of thing where it's like there were very, very few murders.

00:39:17

back then in Scotland. I think in the documentary, they said they had like seven or eight a year.

00:39:22

So these guys are traumatized. Yeah, and it's just really extreme. Okay, so the problem was also

00:39:29

Anne's parents thought she was spending the night at her friend's house, so they didn't call the police

00:39:34

to report her missing until January 4th, which is the same day that her body is discovered on the golf course.

00:39:43

Okay, this is a picture of Anne. and then hear the police searching the area near where her body was found.

00:39:54

Because there was the golf course, but then the gas company, you know, it was at the time, back then it was all these beautiful farms,

00:40:01

but they were putting in all these housing, a bunch of housing. So the gas company was putting in gas lines.

00:40:09

And there was actually a big workstation right next to this golf course that had all the,

00:40:13

I'm calling it the gas company because that's what we call it in California. I think I have it written correctly in here somewhere.

00:40:19

But basically there was a whole work site with all the equipment and stuff for the digging for them to lay the gas lines.

00:40:27

So when reporters arrive at this murder scene, there's a worker from this nearby construction site.

00:40:33

They're telling them that actually a pair of boots and a pickaxe had been stolen a couple of days before from that work site.

00:40:41

and uh and there's a newspaper photographer that overhears this conversation of him telling them

00:40:48

that so he walks over to take a picture of the guy because he's like oh this sounds like it might

00:40:52

be a lead and there's something here so i'm going to get a picture of this guy and the guy immediately

00:40:57

goes absolutely no pictures and does like this whole freak out the guy in the documentary is like

00:41:01

so then i had to take his picture and it's peter manual yeah so he's basically setting up an alibi

00:41:09

of like, oh, my boots and pickaxe were stolen from this. Oh my God, he works for the company.

00:41:15

Yes, he's working on that site, that exact site. So, of course, the police put that all together

00:41:24

and they already know that he's like this multiple offender. And they also notice that he's got some scratches on his face.

00:41:32

So he goes right to the top of the suspect list. but Peter's father provides an alibi for him

00:41:39

saying that he was with him on the night of the murder and Peter explains the scratches away

00:41:44

by saying that he got into a street fight here in Glasgow and the police were like, that's impossible

00:41:50

no one fights in the street especially after they've been drinking I saw some fucked up shit when I lived here I swear to God girls fighting with huge hoop earrings on I was like this is not safe What are you guys doing

00:42:06

But it was Saturday night. All right. I hope you all do the same tonight. Okay, so.

00:42:11

Without any solid evidence putting him at the scene, and with the solid alibi that his dad provides,

00:42:17

the police have no choice but to move down the list of suspects, and no one gets arrested for Ann's murderer.

00:42:22

okay so um they do when they do talk to the guy that stood her up at the dance he had had a really

00:42:31

bad hangover and all of his family and friends are like man it's the truth that's why which i'm

00:42:36

sure that guy feels yeah oh oh so terrible okay so september 17th 1956 this is nine months later

00:42:44

marion watt is at home with her 16 year old daughter vivian and her own sister margaret brown

00:42:50

Vivian has spent the day window shopping around Glasgow with her friend who lives next door.

00:42:56

Then she came home. Then they basically just all went to bed. It was a pretty standard night.

00:43:02

Vivian's father, William Watt, is away on a fishing trip. So here's Vivian. Oh. So in the middle of the night, an intruder breaks into the Watt's home and shoots all three women in the head.

00:43:16

Holy shit. shit. So Mrs. Watt and her sister had been both sleeping in the master bedroom together

00:43:22

in the same bed, so their murders were almost simultaneous. But Vivian's room is found

00:43:29

completely torn apart. Her pajama bottoms are ripped. Her body is severely beaten.

00:43:35

And even though she was shot in the head, she was still alive when her attacker left. Oh my god.

00:43:41

And she actually, the next morning, their maid came and couldn't get into the house, and normally

00:43:46

the door was open and the family was up and doing stuff. She couldn't get into the house.

00:43:50

She goes to the next door neighbor. They basically call a mailman over and the mailman sees that somebody has actually broken into

00:43:58

the glass on the side of the door. So he reaches in and unlocks the door and then they all

00:44:02

find this horrible massacre, a massacre of a whole family. So the police oh, here's the police searching the home.

00:44:13

that's the Watts home and doesn't that look like it's from World War I? it's the 50's

00:44:22

it was like, oh here 1000 years ago, this is what how police used to look for evidence

00:44:28

is that a metal detector? that's a metal detector it's a metal detector and it's Winston Churchill

00:44:36

who's using it it's so nice, he used to help everybody the original detector Okay, so immediately they arrest the father that was away on the fishing trip, William Watt.

00:44:50

Yes, because they put it together. He was 180 miles away. Oh, yeah, you guys don't do miles.

00:45:00

Oh, kilometers or whatever. It doesn't matter. um whatever it is he's 180 of them away it's about it's he's about two and a half hours away

00:45:18

okay and um they the police actually basically time it out and say he absolutely from the last

00:45:25

time an eyewitness saw him at the um carabin hotel um which is where he was staying for his

00:45:32

fishing trip the last eyewitness they basically timed it out and they're like he absolutely could

00:45:37

have driven back home, killed his whole family, and then driven back, and then been there in time

00:45:41

for the next eyewitness who says they saw him. I don't think it's him. It is not. I'll just look,

00:45:47

spoiler alert, this is going to be over pretty soon anyway. It's not, it's not this guy. And

00:45:52

the crazy thing is, but they arrest him and he's immediately in jail, even though there was a hotel

00:45:57

worker who said that she saw him cleaning frost off his windshield the next morning, and windscreen,

00:46:06

and but how could it be a screen um and it wouldn't have been frosty that's right because

00:46:14

the car would have been in use if it was and there's all these things where they they try to

00:46:18

pin it on him and they so they go and they interview all the um gas station attendants

00:46:23

along the road yeah and they're all like no i've never seen that guy before um so then they appeal

00:46:28

to the public and they're like has anybody seen this guy so of course somebody's like yeah i saw

00:46:32

he was a guy that ran a ferry. He's like, I totally saw that guy. He has a dog. And then he starts giving the cops all this information.

00:46:40

They're like, we got it. Then they realize, oh, everything this guy's telling us has been in the newspaper.

00:46:45

Yeah. So none of this is real. So then they make another appeal. Has anybody seen this?

00:46:49

So then another guy comes forward. Come on. And this is basically them trying to go, just can it just be this guy and we can leave him in jail.

00:46:57

Someone say they saw him. Yeah. And the second eyewitness eventually admitted he never really saw the driver's face and kind of wasn't telling the truth.

00:47:06

Okay. This is the most nuts part. So this is where, because William Watts has been arrested, Peter Manuel goes from cocky to fucking completely insane and contacts the police about the Watts family murders.

00:47:21

Yeah. He gets involved. So this whole thing is a quote from the old GlasgowMurders.blogspot.com website.

00:47:29

Please visit there. It's a great website. It was so comprehensive. God bless websites like that at four o'clock the day of a show.

00:47:41

Manuel wrote to the police claiming that he knew who had committed the murder. He had also contacted several newspapers, claimed to have insider knowledge of the crime.

00:47:49

He even arranged to have a meal with William Watt and his lawyer at Glasgow's Whitehall Restaurant to discuss the case.

00:47:57

The husband? No. Yes Oh Yeah. Yes? It had to be him. Yeah. Maybe it was before he was.

00:48:05

Yeah, yeah. Or maybe it's just a lawyer. You know, you can't trust these blogs. Just immediately shit on them.

00:48:14

Well, basically, he basically had a meeting with William Watt. He inserts himself into this shit.

00:48:19

He entirely inserts himself. He claims that a criminal associate who he was conveniently unable to name

00:48:27

was responsible for the crime. while simultaneously providing an impressively detailed description of the Watt home,

00:48:35

a description which he claimed had been passed on to him by the perpetrator. In one piece of bizarre behavior during one of these meetings with Watt,

00:48:44

Manuel produced a photograph of his first murder victim. What? I'm so sorry. I want to know what's going to happen.

00:48:51

Anne Nylens, and asked if Watt knew her before ripping the photograph to pieces.

00:48:58

So now he's just in there doing some fucking crazy shit because he thinks he's smarter than everybody.

00:49:05

Okay, so the cops in Glasgow are tearing their hair out. They know this guy has something to do with it, obviously, but there's never any evidence.

00:49:16

So they just, they have to use the evidence that comes up and put somebody in jail because people keep getting murdered.

00:49:22

Okay, so a year after the Watts family massacre on December 28th, 1957, a 17-year-old girl named Isabel Cook is walking from her Mount Vernon home to a school dance when she disappears.

00:49:35

I mean, talk about an MO. It's teenage girls going to and coming from dances. So obviously it's like creeping out, like watching them and stalking them as they go.

00:49:47

Totally. So she disappears. Authorities conduct a massive search for her. She's not found.

00:49:56

And of course, the first suspect on everyone's mind is Peter Manuel. But again, no hard evidence. And now Peter believes he cannot be caught.

00:50:07

But he's very wrong. So, but unfortunately, this doesn't get, it's one of those things where you're just like, if only, like, if only that's when they found this place.

00:50:19

Or if only they didn't insist it was William Watt and looked into it further. Totally.

00:50:24

Because in the early morning of New Year's Day, 1958, Peter and Doris Smart and their 10-year-old son, Michael, are all shot dead in their Uddington home.

00:50:35

Is it Uddington? It is? Yes. thank you thank you she wants us to feel better about ourselves yes yes it is you can do it girls

00:50:48

okay okay this is just this is just terrible this family is just murdered he's such a fucking

00:50:58

he's a real piece of shit and after this crime he lives in their house for a week

00:51:05

so beyond like psychopath right so he's he hangs out he eats their food he drives their car

00:51:13

he feeds their cat what which is just creepy um at one point he gives a policeman a ride to go

00:51:24

search for isabel cook in their car what the oh in their this family's car in his family's car

00:51:31

It takes a policeman to go to the previous victim. Yeah, to go look for her, his previous victim.

00:51:35

This guy's just like, doesn't give a fuck. He's the devil. Okay, but a week after the Smart family murders,

00:51:44

Peter Manuel goes to a pub and uses what looks like brand new money to pay for his drinks.

00:51:52

And the bartender, who is the smartest motherfucker in the world, is like, this guy shouldn't have this much money,

00:52:00

and why is it brand new? So he calls the cops. And he's like, here's the serial numbers.

00:52:05

Here's this money. I don't know what's going on. I feel like people are never encouraged enough

00:52:10

to just be this involved. You don't have to go to the mat or whatever. But just if you go like, that's weird.

00:52:18

Hey, policeman, do you think this is weird? Do you want to run this through some machines or something?

00:52:23

So of course, when they check with the bank, Of course I lost my goddamn spot. Fucking bartenders, man.

00:52:29

Yeah, let's just take a moment. They're like on it. And no one realizes they're the only person who's not shit-faced in a bar.

00:52:36

And they're fucking paying attention. Or they're really good at being shit-faced.

00:52:41

Okay, so. Oh, I just need to turn the page. Okay, so the bank. They take the money to the bank.

00:52:46

And the money is traced back to Peter Smart, who had withdrawn a bunch of cash for the holiday.

00:52:52

Because remember that? When you had to get money in planning ahead. you had to get all your money at once.

00:52:57

Yeah. It's a long time ago. But before, there were ATMs. You just had to stand in the bank with your mom

00:53:04

and wait for her to take like $800 in cash out and then just roll the dice on the streets of Petaluma.

00:53:10

This is a personal story. Anyway, anyhow. Those dangerous streets of Petaluma. Oh, we had to fight our way to the car.

00:53:19

It was parked right outside. Anyway, finally, authorities have the hard evidence

00:53:25

they need to connect Peter Manuel with one of the series of the murders that were terrorizing

00:53:30

Glasgow. So finally, on January 14th, 1958, people are, not people, police arrest.

00:53:40

We're almost there. Peter Manuel at his parents' home in Berkenshaw for the triple murders of the

00:53:46

Smart family Here a smug shot Dick Okay Yeah Really no more No I don like it Okay so at first he denies killing the Smart family but when police arrest his father on a lesser charge he caves and confesses to all eight murders

00:54:07

including the murder of Isabel Cook, the girl who was missing. He tells police that he had, again, same MO, stalked, raped, and beaten her to death,

00:54:16

and then he led them to where he buried her body. So his trial begins May of 1958,

00:54:22

and even though he's already confessed to the murders, he enters a plea of not guilty

00:54:27

and, once again, represents himself in court. God. Yeah? Go ahead, ding-dong. He's like, no, I...

00:54:36

He just called a serial killer a ding-dong. I'm aware of that. Yeah, that's how we take the power back.

00:54:43

In these little ways, here and there. He is a fucking ding-dong. I'm sorry, I'm hopped up on hula hoops.

00:54:59

Coffee, hula hoops, and a can of wine is what I had for dinner tonight. Wait a second.

00:55:04

And I am sorry because we're almost done, but... What? Your instant coffee is horrible.

00:55:15

why didn't anybody write us a quick note to say do not under any circumstances say yes to instant

00:55:25

coffee i had it on the train i thought that guy hated my guts it was like a prank that's got to

00:55:32

be manchester's fault right because like we were coming the train was coming from there

00:55:36

to here they block it at the border they're just like no no no no man it's rough to put a little

00:55:43

screen in there to filter out the granules. I just drank them. I don't give a shit. That's

00:55:50

why I'm going real good today. Okay. So he's representing himself in court like a goddamn

00:55:57

superstar. So he tells the court that it was 10 year old Peter Smart who killed his parents

00:56:05

before killing himself. Oh my God. Disgusting. Yeah. He also claims he and the boy were friends

00:56:11

and that's why he had a key to their house, is that he didn't steal it after killing them.

00:56:17

It was this son made friends with a 38-year-old scumbag. I don't think so. So although the judge does, at the end of the trial,

00:56:29

say that Peter Manuel defended himself with a skill that is quite remarkable. You don't need to compliment the dude.

00:56:36

Well, that's how good he was. The judge is like, look, I hate you, and I have to say.

00:56:40

That was pretty impressive. But the jury's like, uh-uh. They're having none, so they find him guilty on all charges.

00:56:49

He doesn't get charged for the murder of Ann Neelands because there is no evidence connecting him to her murder, sadly.

00:56:57

But it doesn't matter because he's still sentenced to death by hanging. Yay! That's right.

00:57:04

And William Watt is immediately released from jail and completely exonerated for the murders of his family.

00:57:12

Jesus. Which, can you imagine? It's like they've been treating him like a criminal.

00:57:17

It's like, oh, no, his family was murdered. Yeah. Horrible. Did they have lawsuits back then?

00:57:22

I hope so. Okay, so here's a great hometown email that we got about this. Hi, Karen in Georgia.

00:57:29

I'm a big fan. I can't wait for you to play London. I want to tell you about my family's local murders and close calls.

00:57:35

I live in London, but originally I'm from a small town in Scotland called Coat Bridge.

00:57:42

Thank God. And in the 50s, my gran worked in a factory in Glasgow and had to get the bus back by herself, often late at night.

00:57:50

One night she was coming home and another man got off at the same stop. I'll just remember you. Remember he told Mary, I think we ride the same bus.

00:57:59

um okay did i just say i'll just remember you i wasn't gonna say anything i thought it'd be a

00:58:08

dick move to be like you said that wrong no it's not i'll just remember you this is where the jet lag really starts to hit good like a drug drop that beat okay

00:58:22

Okay, so one night she was coming home and another man got off on the same stop.

00:58:29

He began chatting to her, asking her where she lived, and said something along the lines of,

00:58:35

it's not safe for a young woman such as yourself to be walking alone at night. Creep.

00:58:40

My gran was always a smart woman and sensed something was off, so she told him not to worry

00:58:45

and that her husband was meeting her halfway to walk her back. Smart. Genius. He seemed happy with this and continued making general small talk for the next 10 minutes or so until he turned around and said, you're a fucking liar.

00:58:58

In the 50s. Can you imagine your blood would run cold? Yeah, it's like, oh, but you were so nice one second ago.

00:59:07

Now you have shark eyes. My gran asked him what he was talking about. He said, well, we're well past halfway to your house.

00:59:16

No one's coming to get you. It's just you and me out here. My gran freaked the fuck out.

00:59:25

She started screaming like fuck and didn't stop. Light started going on in the houses around her and the man ran off into the night.

00:59:33

Thank God. Years later, the news reported on a man who was captured on suspicion of murder.

00:59:44

And as soon as they'd shown his mugshot, my gran instantly went, that's him. That's the man from the bus.

00:59:51

It was Peter Manuel a serial killer who committed at least seven murders including two entire families As more and more details of his crimes came out it was revealed he successfully defended himself from a rape charge in near identical circumstances

01:00:05

to the one my gran found herself in. And then he goes on to tell a very quick story about

01:00:11

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01:00:17

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Goodbye. Ooh, heavy hitter and great, great story told beautifully in Glass Now.

01:03:55

Oh, and Cookie loved it. Cookie approves. She was like, yay. Loved it. Loved it.

01:04:02

That was awesome. Thank you. I don't remember it. I don't remember anything. I just remember the amazing accents that everyone has.

01:04:13

And we had an amazing time. And the audience was the greatest. They were. We had we it was a great show.

01:04:19

It was. It really was. OK, my story. I never thought I'd do this. But look, here we are in Seattle.

01:04:26

I think we have a lot of shows in like when we do Seattle or, you know, Chicago or whatever.

01:04:31

We have like four shows in a row. And so we have to find a different story for every night.

01:04:35

And it's like, fuck, you know, scrambling to find the best ones. And so, of course, I was like, well, who other than D.B. Cooper represents this city?

01:04:48

So in the Pacific Northwest, man, it's just ripe with stories. So this is me in Seattle of October 2018 covering none other than D.B. Cooper, man.

01:05:02

All right. Hey, you guys. Hi. On an afternoon, a day before Thanksgiving in 1971, a guy calling himself Dan Cooper,

01:05:12

did you know this, boarded a Northwest Airline flight 305 in Portland, bound for Seattle.

01:05:18

That's right. He was wearing a dark suit and a black tie and described as a business executive type.

01:05:25

He's a fucking picture Don Draper. which is okay wow in the air he opens his briefcase shows a bomb to the flight attendant

01:05:36

and hijacks that motherfucking plane yeah the plane lands in seattle he demands two hundred

01:05:41

thousand dollars in cash over one million today oh i love the the translation it's a lot of money

01:05:48

it's always two dollars and a million dollars in today's money inflation oh my god what's

01:05:54

happening is money real it doesn matter but um but the minimum wage has not gone up since Yeah exactly It was For real

01:06:05

Sorry. The minimum wage was $6.25 in 1971, and it's $6.25 in today's money. Let's get those bankers their bonuses.

01:06:15

Right. They deserve them. What are we doing? I don't know. It's the late show. You guys knew when you bought tickets.

01:06:22

We were a little crazy. We're on the fucking verge. Georgia forgot her shoes. That's, we're there.

01:06:27

We're there. That's right. And my tissue. Jesus Christ. Oh, God. P-p-p-p-p-p-p. Parachutes, he asks for when they land in Seattle.

01:06:36

A pair of shoes? Four parachutes. Parachutes, she said. Remember when I told everyone to vote and you thought I said Vogue?

01:06:46

It's like the end of the show heartfelt message. Georgia's like, and please everybody Vogue.

01:06:52

And I was just like, girl, you're about 15 years late on that message. But okay.

01:07:05

Yeah. Paris is burning. Paris is burning, ladies and gentlemen. They did it first.

01:07:10

That's right. Okay. For parachutes and food for the crew, which is really nice. He ordered them food?

01:07:19

He said, I want a million dollars in today's money. I want four parachutes, which I'm sure the flight attendants were like, oh, shit.

01:07:29

Yeah. It's more than him. Yeah, that's more than one person. Food for the crew. And then he released all the passengers.

01:07:40

Well, that's nice. It's reasonable. Yeah, not a dick so far. Okay. I mean, don't hijack shit, but whatever.

01:07:47

Back then it was quaint. It happened a lot back then. Yeah. It was like the new meme.

01:07:55

Meme me. Planking. No, don't do it. Steven, edit that out. So there's three pilots, one flight attendant left on board.

01:08:03

They take off from Seattle with the marked bills. Heading south, it was dark and lightly raining.

01:08:09

45 minutes after takeoff, Dan Cooper sent the flight attendant to the cockpit, puts on the parachute.

01:08:15

I'm sure he winked at her because that sounds like the kind of guy he is. He called the horse over, got onto it.

01:08:24

Later days, Missy. The three other parachutes were for his horse. I'm so sorry. I don't know what I'm saying anymore.

01:08:31

I do apologize. No, that was great. He ties the bag full of $20 bills to himself,

01:08:38

lowered the rear stairs, and somewhere north of Portland, fucking later days. Sorry, what kind of...

01:08:48

So it was like some kind of a military plane where like this. No, it was like a passenger plane.

01:08:53

But remember they used to have to get off on the tarmac and walk you walk like we do in Burbank.

01:08:56

Right. Yes. So it was like that. But those stairs get rolled up. Well, listen. So sorry.

01:09:05

What do you want from me? Pretend I didn't ask that question. I'll look it up later on.

01:09:10

There's a hard, strong rule with this podcast that you and I, it's never been spoken.

01:09:15

And I feel like maybe tonight's the night. Tonight's the night. Don't ask questions.

01:09:19

Don't fucking question me. Details, question mark? No, no, no. So sorry. No, no, it's all good.

01:09:29

My mistake. No, no, it's great. I love it. Okay, but, but, but, stairs happen. But they have to land the plane with the stairs out, and they land on everyone's home.

01:09:39

No, that doesn't happen. And then they find two remaining parachutes and a black tie in the seat that he was sitting in.

01:09:46

So he like took one of the parachutes with him. What does that mean? I don't know.

01:09:51

Let's ask him. Come on out, you son of a bitch. On his horse? He comes out on the horse?

01:09:58

Or would he fucking parachuted in right now? I wonder if anyone's ever parachuted in here.

01:10:04

That'd be rad. I don't know. Probably David Lee Roth at some point. That's totally his style.

01:10:12

Local police and FBI are immediately questioning suspects. an Oregon man named D.B. Cooper existed.

01:10:20

He had a minor police wrecker and he was one of the first people of interest on the case.

01:10:24

Contacted. On the off chance the hijacker had used his real name, like an idiot,

01:10:31

is what they meant to say. But he's quickly ruled out as a suspect, but a local reporter is immediately like,

01:10:38

I got to get my deadline in. I'm going to say that that's his name. And so his name becomes D.B. Cooper.

01:10:44

But that's not his fucking name. Oh, D.B. Cooper is another guy in Portland that just had that name?

01:10:48

Yeah. And the original guy is like, my name was Dan, but thanks, dude. Thanks for the cover.

01:10:54

Yeah. So D.B. Cooper becomes the name of legend that you all know and tolerate. The military is called in.

01:11:05

A thousand troops search the suspected jump zone. They do all these bananas tests that were probably really high tech for the 70s,

01:11:11

but we would laugh at if we saw it today. What, like a crate of bananas? goes up the airplane.

01:11:17

A guy in a gorilla suit pretends to eat a banana. They fly over the ocean and then they parachute down

01:11:24

to see what trajectory he would have had and all this shit. It was a Boeing 727 and they did all this crap like that

01:11:33

and so they concluded what time he jumped and all this bullshit but they didn't find anything.

01:11:40

FBI agents recovered 66 unidentified latent prints on the plane and the agents I know

01:11:47

there's probably a lot of passengers that might have been yeah I think that's how planes are

01:11:50

unidentified so maybe they they ruled out the other ones they couldn't they couldn't rule them out

01:11:56

yes got you they were the people who brought the stairs yeah they forgot about those people authorities interview eyewitnesses in portland seattle

01:12:05

and reno and all of the flight crew who are personally uh interacted with cooper and some

01:12:10

sketches are drawn like the one you just saw and um ultimately the search operation is arguably the

01:12:16

most extensive and intensive in u.s history uncovered no significant material evidence

01:12:21

related to the hijacking. Dad? Marty? Marty? Oh my God. What if it was my dad, you guys?

01:12:31

And you just kind of realize it tonight. Yeah. I was going to say, his eyes do look a bit like,

01:12:38

you know how when flounders' eyes go over to the side? They look like they're drifting a tiny bit.

01:12:44

What if it was a fish that got turned into a man, he jumped over the ocean, he landed in the water,

01:12:49

and he brought money back to his flounder friends? are needed. I'm real tired. That is, you just

01:12:55

pitched a Disney movie from 1969. Congratulations. And everyone's racist. Okay. A month after the hijacking, the FBI

01:13:05

distributed a list of, so they give out the money, serial numbers, for everyone to keep their, you know, sharp eye on,

01:13:11

because you know how much everyone loves staring at money. And they give the money to

01:13:15

financial institutions, casinos, racetracks, other fun places that people like to hang out when they have a ton of money.

01:13:21

And, um, let's see, the FBI investigates over the years, but doesn't catch a break until nine years later in 1980, when a young boy who probably became the coolest fucking kid at school named Brian Ingram is digging a fire pit in the sand at a place called Tenne Bar.

01:13:38

Eh? Not a fucking word. Not a, there wasn't a sound in this place. I bet it's not because I got it right, either.

01:13:47

I mean, yeah, I think they might be just baffled. I am right there with them this fucking cool kid

01:13:56

he uncovers three bundles of cash a couple inches below the surface with rubber bands still intact

01:14:02

and he finds a total of $5,800 which in today's money is a million and FBI he gives the money

01:14:15

he's probably a boy scout so he gives the money he tells everyone about it instead of his family hiding it away.

01:14:22

Like you're saying you would do? No. FBI, they confirm that the money is from the ransom.

01:14:29

So some of it got lost on the way. Here's some of that money. Ooh, money. Isn't that cool and creepy?

01:14:35

Look at that money. I love that. I love money. Oh, wait. I have the one after that.

01:14:40

What if I knew all the numbers of my money? Wait, sorry. It looked like that when he found it?

01:14:45

Yeah. Wow. Yeah. So he found it. He found it. They searched and analyzed the beach, and the river was dredged,

01:14:54

and they're called Cooper Hunters, they call themselves. Guys, there's got to be something better than that.

01:15:05

Give me one second. Think of it. Just give me a fucking second. You've got this.

01:15:08

I'm never going to do it. Now I can only think about how I'm not thinking of it.

01:15:11

Cupertinos? Nope. Cuperinos? D.B. Cooperitos. My favorite fan name of obsessed people is Chris Pine, that actor from Star Trek.

01:15:31

His fans call themselves Pine Nuts. Amazing. It's the best one of all time. I'm a Pine Nut, I admit it.

01:15:39

I'm a Pine Nut. I like his eyebrows. I didn't care about him to slightly dislike because I hate pretty people.

01:15:45

until you told me that. And I was like, I like that Chris Pine. He's fun. You know what?

01:15:51

He's down to earth. His dad was the lieutenant from Chips. Oh, okay. I like him.

01:16:00

Don't worry. Somewhere out there, Chris Pine's heart is just warming because I like him now.

01:16:06

That's right. It means something to those people. Yeah. A body wasn't found. No shit, said everyone.

01:16:11

In 1986, after years of negotiations, okay, so the family and the FBI and the airliner's insurance company who had paid the airline this ransom that they had to give away, the kid and the airline are like, it's my money.

01:16:27

And they're like, oh, it's my money. No, it's my money. And finally they. You mean that kid from the beach?

01:16:31

Yeah. It's not his money. It's totally. He found it. And they already got paid back for the ransom.

01:16:38

Oh, oh, I see. Don't you think? I think. the kid have the money. Airlines. Yeah, well, but the money he found

01:16:45

was just shitty green paper with holes in it. That's true. They would have been like,

01:16:49

you can keep that money, you little fucking asshole. Keep all of it. Well, in the end,

01:16:54

the money is divided equally between the kid and the airline's insurer. And the insurers are,

01:17:00

it went back to eating the poor. So, you are so political tonight. I'm loving it.

01:17:08

Let's get into it. This kid, when he grew up, sold his bills at auction in 2008.

01:17:16

So he got half of what he found, which was $5,800, and then he sold the bills at auction in 2008,

01:17:22

and he got $37,000 for that. Yes. Now I'm on Brian's side. That's right. But to date, none of the 9,710 remaining bills

01:17:32

have turned up anywhere in the world, which is creepy and weird, right? Yeah. Did he die?

01:17:36

The serial numbers are still available though, so check your money everyone. And it's a huge debate if he died in the jump or not.

01:17:45

Let's talk about the suspect profile. So they drew that fucking picture of the flounder.

01:17:51

And then over a 45 year span of active investigation the FBI you know every now and then the Cooper Hunters the Cupertinos which I calling them from now on sometimes will be like well what about this You know I imagine that how they talk

01:18:07

Why I? And the FBI is like, shut up. Truly. Really? So they think that, the FBI does think that Cooper appeared to be familiar with the Seattle area

01:18:19

because he may have been an Air Force veteran based on testimony that he recognized the city of Tacoma from the air.

01:18:28

You guys from the air are amazing. Hey, girl. Hey, girl. As they went around Puget Sound, he was like, hey, there's Tacoma.

01:18:38

Drop me off. Yeah. and so they and they also theorized that Cooper took his alias

01:18:44

from a popular Belgium comic book series of the 1970s featuring a fictional hero

01:18:48

named Dan Cooper Tim Tim oh how bummed was he that he like went to lengths to like pick the right name

01:18:56

it was a guy who was a fictional hero he was a Royal Canadian Air Force test pilot

01:19:01

who took part in numerous heroic adventures including parachuting and his name was Dan Cooper

01:19:06

and the guy's like my new dude Dan Cooper and they're like no but Stevie Cooper because some fucking newspaper guy was lazy.

01:19:11

He didn't fact check his shit. Like, what a bummer. That's why he never spent the money.

01:19:16

Excuse me. Do you think that Dan Cooper, when he picked that name, was like giving clues or something?

01:19:23

Or like trying to be like puzzly and interesting? Yes. I think he's a roller derby

01:19:27

and he just like wanted a cool name. So he's just like, you know what? Dan Cooper.

01:19:32

He was like one of those guys that's like, can you guys call me Stretch from now on?

01:19:38

It's my new nickname. They were like, no, Dale. You can't pick your own nickname, Dale.

01:19:46

No, it doesn't work that way. Okay. Let's see. Oh, and in addition to planning his escape perfectly,

01:19:52

he also took back his ransom note and wore dark glasses showing that he kind of knew, you know, how to evade a little bit.

01:19:58

So they didn't have the handwriting sample and all that bullshit. So between 1971 and 2006,

01:20:03

the FBI processed over 1,000, quote, serious suspects, including publicity seekers and deathbed confessors

01:20:10

which is like those poor people are like I have nothing. I'm B.B. Cooper. You got to do something.

01:20:18

You can confess one day. Nothing too serious. Just something kind of interesting.

01:20:23

Yeah. But nothing more than circumstantial evidence could be found to implicate any of them.

01:20:28

When I'm on my deathbed you don't know I'm going to confess? Tell me. You can't do it now or it won't come true.

01:20:36

Right? Oh, it's all going to come true. What? I'm going to be laying there and then I'm going to be like, come closer.

01:20:44

Like a drunk Karen? Come here. Yeah, it's a secret. I'm going to final secret. Final secret, Karen.

01:20:51

And I go, I have a pine nut. People are like, we don't know what you're talking about.

01:20:58

It's so sad. She thought she was a nut. It was very sad. Just delusional. Totally insane.

01:21:04

um one suspect that people thought was it was john list remember him yes i do that fucking

01:21:12

psychopath who killed he's the family annihilator dude from way back when but you remember the

01:21:16

creepy bust on america's most wanted and then he saw it himself and was like oh that's me i killed

01:21:21

my whole family way back when yeah and he like later remember that guy killed his family laid

01:21:25

them out in the ballroom uh-huh you remember you don't have to go through the whole thing

01:21:32

Well, he was an accountant and a World War II and Korean vet. And he did all that killing 15 days before the Cooper hijacking.

01:21:43

Is that true? Mm-hmm. That's a good theory. Yeah. He withdrew $200,000 from his mother's bank account and disappeared,

01:21:50

which he just realized is the exact same amount. It is the exact same amount. And it's a million dollars in today's money.

01:21:58

This cannot be. So he came to the attention of the task force because of his timing of his disappearance,

01:22:05

multiple matches to the hijackers description, which he did look, he'd look just like the bust.

01:22:09

I didn't put it up there because I actually deleted all this earlier because I wasn't going to bother.

01:22:13

And now you're just kind of stuck in it? And now I'm kind of glad it's here. Yeah.

01:22:16

Oh, I like it. And also because their reasoning was that, quote, a fugitive accused of mass murder has nothing to lose.

01:22:22

That's right. That's the only way I would jump out of a fucking plane personally.

01:22:26

Parachute or no. I mean, ideally parachute. Yeah, yeah. I would say best case scenario, parachute.

01:22:33

Yeah. At least one. After his capture in 1989, listed minutes of murdering his family,

01:22:39

and he said he didn't do the hijacking, and because we fucking trust mass psychotic fucking murderers,

01:22:45

everyone's like, okay. Oh, you didn't? No. Thank you so much. We appreciate it, sir.

01:22:51

Have fun, and you know, et cetera. So there's no evidence that implicates him, Baba,

01:22:57

and they don't consider him a suspect. He's dead. Yay. The most popular theory person, suspect, is this guy named Robert Wesley Rackstraw.

01:23:12

What? What a dick. Say it again. Robert Wesley Rackstraw. That sounds like when you're, this is him.

01:23:20

Oh. He looks like the guy. He's got flounder eyes if I've ever seen him, everybody.

01:23:25

Am I wrong or wrong? It looks exactly like him. It looks exactly like him. Can we see the sketch real quick and then go back to him?

01:23:32

Yeah. Boom. That's the... Yes. Yeah. Guilty. Will you go back one more time? That's fun.

01:23:39

And then boom. Yes. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. He did it. I think he's also...

01:23:47

I think he's also... What? He looks like you asleep. The mouth open. Sir this is a mugshot It going to be forever Oh what Huh What Which direction Sorry where do I look

01:24:06

So this fucking winner is a retired pilot, an ex-con, who served on an army helicopter crew and other units during Vietnam.

01:24:16

In February 1978, he was arrested in Iran and deported to the U.S. to face explosives possession and check-kiting charges.

01:24:25

but that's a typo. No, no. Check kiting is when you write bad checks. Really? Yeah.

01:24:30

That's stupid. Never. Really? That's weird. It's true. It's, you know, like 50s talk.

01:24:39

Okay. He's a check kiter, see? Some kind of check kiter. That's fine. We'll get him.

01:24:48

Write the serial numbers down. We'll find him. 824-7389. we should start doing long form improv during this live podcast.

01:24:59

Oh my God. No, don't you dare cheer for improv. God damn it. It's really triggering for us.

01:25:09

You guys. Okay. Give us an occupation. I'm going to start sweating. Like, Oh no.

01:25:19

Why did I sign up for this class? What? But what if we solve this case through improv?

01:25:24

We just throw that sound ball back and forth until we figure out who this man is.

01:25:31

Zip, zap, Jon Hamm. Cool. Boop, boop, ba-da-da-da-doop. He fucking does this shit.

01:25:43

He does a bunch of stuff. He attempts to fake his own death by radioing a false Mayday call,

01:25:48

tells controllers that he was bailing out of a rented plane over Monterey Bay, police arrest him

01:25:54

on other shit and so no direct evidence essentially but I mean he knew how to work

01:26:02

a parachute yeah he knew a lot about planes and jumping out of them and being an asshole

01:26:09

and like doing illegal shit yeah and he looked like that yeah so guilty lock him up

01:26:13

lock him the fuck up throw away the key in in 2016 Rackstraw re-emerges as suspect

01:26:21

in a History Channel program and book, and they all think it's him. It's not. It might be.

01:26:28

I don't know. We can't say. And then, copycats, there was a shit set. And all 15 hijackings similar to Cooper's,

01:26:39

all unsuccessful, were attempted in 1972. You know what I wouldn't do in 1972? Get on a fucking plane.

01:26:48

You know, that thing of like, it's more likely you'll die in a car accident than on a plane.

01:26:52

Back then they were like, no, you'll probably get hijacked. I just like to, in 1972, I liked to fly just so I could smoke.

01:26:59

Oh, yeah. You don't even have to smoke because everyone else is chain-smoking inside of a fucking cylinder that you're sitting in.

01:27:07

That's right. And they're like, what's her problem? Does anyone need a lighter? Let's get these cigarettes lit.

01:27:14

Let's get this exposed flame out in the open. Okay. We're taking down the airline industry tonight.

01:27:24

That's right. And, of course, part of the reason why we have to take our shoes off at the airport is because this asshole, like, it all led up to this, you know.

01:27:34

You're blaming him for that? Probably. Over 37 years before you had to take your shoes off.

01:27:41

And then, yeah, in early 1973, the FAA began requiring all airlines, not aliens, to search all passengers and their bags.

01:27:53

So it's his fault. But I also am okay with it. Just, you know, be quick. Get through that line.

01:27:58

Come on, everyone. You have to take your shoes off. You have to. Pay attention. Just do it.

01:28:03

Grab your fucking thing. Computer goes in a separate thing. It's not new. It's super easy.

01:28:06

It's not new. And also, don't wear a belt to the airport, you dumb shit. Yeah. Like, what's wrong?

01:28:13

Why? Don't accessorize. No one gives a shit about your accessories. 20 people back start to untie your shoes.

01:28:21

Yeah. 20 people minimum. And if you're me, listen to your therapist and don't watch the line.

01:28:27

Yeah. I had to tell Vince to stop watching the line. Because you start hating people's guts so bad.

01:28:30

Oh, I just lose my back. This person won't do that. You're like, sir, your phone's in your pocket.

01:28:35

Oh. Oh. Yeah. it's hard being perfect um so being an asshole it's hard it sucks okay so essentially um the airlines just wait okay

01:28:59

basically the fbi are like he's definitely dead we couldn't find him so it's on him

01:29:08

he died on us yeah so they they could i mean where who in where and could we please find out

01:29:17

i need a real deathbed confession what i think is interesting and maybe the problem with this case

01:29:22

is that who gives a shit you know what i mean it's like he got the money he got away with it

01:29:29

But there's shit happening in this country where you're just like, yeah, I'm good with the FBI focusing on pretty much anything else.

01:29:36

Then Don Draper killing it parachute style and getting away with what? $11,000? Like, go to town, friend.

01:29:45

Buy a condo. You did it, buddy. Like, the worst things are happening here. Right?

01:29:54

And that is the case of D Cooper best one yet You know what I going to declare that that was my favorite murder and no one was killed

01:30:07

You just killed it. You just like ended that. I didn't know what I was going to end that on.

01:30:12

And then you did it for me. And I appreciate that. Because in improv, you have to sense your partner's need and you fill it.

01:30:19

Thank you. Bullshit. There you go. What a great job you did with that. Oh, thank you.

01:30:26

Oh, you're welcome. Trying to be delicate about it, you know, in case he's still alive.

01:30:31

In case it was a woman dressed as a man. I was just thinking that exact same thing.

01:30:37

Anything's possible with D.B. Cooper. That's the beauty of that story. I really honestly thought at the end of Mad Men, that was going to be the twist.

01:30:47

They did this whole thing where they alluded to like an airplane and him wanting to leave town.

01:30:53

and what was his name in the show? Who, Jon Hamm's name? Yeah. Do you remember, Stephen?

01:31:00

It's going to drive me insane that I can't just answer this. No, I'm like, why can I not remember

01:31:03

his character's name? I watched the whole thing. It is, it is, wow, he's doing a lot.

01:31:10

Don Draper. Don Draper. So it was, yeah, thank God. Damn it. I beat Google. I beat Google.

01:31:16

I beat Google. So it was DB. So it was like Don something And then Cooper was the name of the company he worked for or owned or whatever.

01:31:26

And I really thought it was going to be like the Twisteroo, which I thought I would pay to see it reshot that way.

01:31:33

That's such a good theory. It wasn't mine. I never. Oh, it wasn't. Oh, no, it's like a Reddit fan theory that I was like, damn it.

01:31:39

Why didn't I think of that one first? Like someone tweeted it. And I was like, I love when people do that, where I'm like, I can't believe people pay such close attention when they're watching TV.

01:31:50

I'm, it's really impressive. Yeah. It's really impressive. Or like think of tweets while they're in the middle of a TV program.

01:31:58

Yeah. And now for the hometown, it's actually from the same show from Georgia's story.

01:32:05

Yeah. And it's one of the best told hometowns we've ever had at a live show. And we've had some great ones.

01:32:13

This one is very sad. It's very personal and is beautifully told. Yeah. So please listen now to Dina's hometown from that same live show in Seattle.

01:32:26

We have time for our hometown. Great job, though. That was hard and wrong. I'm sorry.

01:32:33

I didn't know it. Way to go. Look who it is. Oh, it's Vince. Yo. Thank you. Is this thing on this time?

01:32:38

Yeah, yeah. Check, check, one, two. Yo. Yo, what's up? It's our tour manager, my husband, and by proxy, Karen's husband.

01:32:44

That's right. Vince April. That's right. Seattle, home to the world's first gas station.

01:32:52

What? Good job, guys. Now let's get a quick one done and get out of here. Excellent.

01:33:00

Okay, we're going to do a hometown murder. If you have one, you have to listen. Stop yelling at me.

01:33:04

Okay. It needs to be fast. We have to get out of here very soon. You can't be so drunk that you can't tell your own story.

01:33:11

Beginning, middle, end, freshman English. if you're yelling at me you're not listening to the rules and you won't get picked

01:33:19

it again has to be fast don't be drunk uh i said that one great um and also um uh oh everyone hates you so just remember just keep it moving no shout outs to your friends

01:33:36

nobody gives a shit oh it has to be local yeah and now georgia will pick the hometown murder okay

01:33:40

Yeah, yeah, you're right. Yeah. You look really not into it. Get up here. Yeah. This way.

01:33:51

Here she comes. Oh, she's so mad at her friend for making her do this. Hi. Come here.

01:33:58

She brought her phone. Dina? What's your name? Dina. Dina. Dina, nice to meet you.

01:34:05

Here, come over here. Take this. Look, you match us. Even. Are you going to make a phone call really quick?

01:34:11

Well, I have a note on here. You have notes. No notes. I need a note. No, you don't do the same thing we do.

01:34:16

Get up here. I can't get the crazy quote right. Where are you from? I am from a little town that used to be called Slaughter.

01:34:22

Oh. You might have heard of it. It's also called now Auburn. Oh. Okay. Yeah. Wow.

01:34:29

Just a few little murder connections in my life. Okay. This one is personal, and it does make me a little...

01:34:36

I'll try not to get emotional. Get emotional. You can. Yeah. It's called Bipolar Aunt in the government subsidized apartment with an ice pick.

01:34:46

Oh, no. So, I was born in the 70s, had the free-range Wild West childhood with a very big family, very big Catholic family.

01:34:55

My uncle married a woman who I adored. She was the greatest aunt. Tons of fun. Had a very big family.

01:35:02

Their children were around our age. We lived five minutes apart, spent a lot of time with them.

01:35:06

I never knew anything was wrong until I was a teenager. When they first got married, she was a big family.

01:35:15

One of the oldest children, her mother passed away, had younger kids, and they took them in.

01:35:19

One of them had a developmental disability and was dependent on care. And she stayed with them for the rest of her life.

01:35:29

When I was a teenager, my aunt had some issues with mental illness and was eventually

01:35:35

diagnosed as bipolar and did some really crazy, crazy shit. But it was funny. And we would see her later and she would laugh about it.

01:35:44

You know, and if she was on her meds, she was great. But she like tried to dig into another friend's where he had some helicopters and she was

01:35:53

going to dig under the fence, get the helicopters fly up because my uncle was, there was aliens

01:35:57

or it was, no. anything violent. So anyway, she became a legal caregiver for her sister with the disabilities.

01:36:07

Because of all the issues, her and my uncle did get divorced. But she still lived in the same town.

01:36:13

They still remained close. My uncle would even watch, Nanette was her name. He would watch her occasionally to give my aunt a break, but she was her caregiver.

01:36:22

So their oldest child has a baby, and she becomes more involved in their life. very excited about the baby.

01:36:31

She also discovered that she didn't need to take her medication because she became religious, and she didn't need to take it.

01:36:39

She had found nothing wrong with religion, but please take your medication. Yes.

01:36:45

If you leave here with anything tonight. The moral of the story is. That's right.

01:36:51

So she was starting to say weird things again and acting strangely. my cousin happens to have three sixes

01:36:59

and a social security number and she was going on about how that means that he's satanic

01:37:04

and that maybe the baby would and she needed to anyway, stuff that was odd so we luckily told

01:37:11

the mother of the child, do not let her along with the baby she wanted to babysit

01:37:16

I have some health care experience my aunt not the one with the problems she works mental health

01:37:24

We both sat them down and said, don't let her alone with the baby. We talked to my Aunt Patty's daughter and tried to give her some help.

01:37:33

She had already contacted the people she would get her mental health care from, and they told her, there's nothing we can do.

01:37:40

She hasn't made any threats to herself. She hasn't made any threats to anybody else.

01:37:44

We can't force her to come in. You can't force her to take medication. And very, very shortly after that, this was in, I think, 1998,

01:37:52

She calls my uncle in the middle of the night, my Aunt Patty, and says, you know, that basically,

01:37:57

some of this I've heard second, third hand, you know, it's a big family. Some of it was in the news.

01:38:03

It's in the paper. And that she had done something to Nana. And he needed to come over.

01:38:09

And then he needed to help her. And then they needed to go over to my cousin Aaron's house.

01:38:15

And so he thinks, oh, Patty, it's okay. She's going to be okay. You know, she thinks she's done something.

01:38:22

And he got over there and she had, she had Caleb in her sleep with an ice pig. Wow.

01:38:28

And we're really hoping that Nana never knew. Right. And she had a lot of weird that was the quote she had lots of weird shit I guess written in her Bible She had something written please forgive me God because Saddam Hussein has ruled the world or something

01:38:46

and he told me to do it, and I needed to murder Nanette. And it was very, very, very hard for my cousin, especially her daughter.

01:38:55

And it still is to this day. I mean, we still don't talk to her about it, because she's just, it was very hard for her.

01:39:01

it was hard for us and she is one of the people that did get um uh not guilty by reason of insanity

01:39:09

yeah yeah so she is still in western state hospital which is the big uh mental health

01:39:15

right right yeah and um and it's oh my goodness she'll probably be there forever yeah yeah

01:39:21

and that's it so please everyone get your i love thank you so much of course that was an amazing

01:39:27

That was a really nice share. And it was my daughter who told me to do this. She's amazing.

01:39:34

Great job. Great job. Give it up for her right now. Yes! Dina. Dina, give it up for Dina.

01:39:42

Great job. My daughter did not do a crazy ninja roll up here, so I'm very surprised.

01:39:46

Thank you. I didn't even do three minutes. I know you did great. That was really, really good.

01:39:52

Thank you. Thank you so much. Yes. Whew. Man, I'm telling you, like, I don't want to let go of the luck of the draw hometown pick that we do.

01:40:02

Because I know it's so hit or miss when it's a miss. It's hilarious. And everyone is laughing their ass off.

01:40:09

Yeah. You know, and they're still supportive. It's like such a great thing. But right.

01:40:13

When it's a hit, it's like serendipity. And and sometimes there's these times where it's just this beautiful moment.

01:40:21

and people who have been there with us know, uh, you're kind of experiencing a thing that

01:40:27

can't happen anywhere else. And it's really a bonding kind of beautiful thing. And it's so,

01:40:33

uh, it's just as like one of the coolest things about this, the, our listeners and this community

01:40:40

that we're so excited to be, um, a part of, it's just like, wow. Totally. Totally. Um, well,

01:40:48

speaking of live shows, next week Karen and I, and Stephen especially, are taking a much needed

01:40:54

hiatus of a day, a week, a lifetime. It's one day, really, in the grand scheme of things.

01:41:02

It's one day. So we're going to put up a live episode that only the fan cult has heard.

01:41:07

Yeah, and we're just we just need to take a little bit of a we need to recharge our batteries and you know get our stuff together And then we be back with brand new episodes on all new stories

01:41:21

And, you know, a little bit of a. Raju d'Avon? Yes. Same thing. Same exact thing.

01:41:31

I just said it in French. Oh, I said it in theater and theater. Yeah. Yeah. So thanks for listening. And guys, thanks for being with us throughout this pandemic.

01:41:45

It's been a joy to be doing it for you. And an exciting challenge. Such is life. Thank you, Stephen Ray Morris, for being our Sherpa, our audio engineer Sherpa and Google Master of the universe.

01:42:07

Hannah Creighton who's our acting producer right now who is making our lives easier

01:42:13

it turns out that when you get a fucking producer on who's smart and talented yeah and you don't have to do it yourself

01:42:21

it's the greatest she has our next eight weeks of stories she demanded them and we didn't want to let her down

01:42:26

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01:42:32

everybody it's going to be a whole new thing not really um but anyway thanks for listening yeah and stay sexy and don't get murdered

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