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Vital Farms, good eggs, no shortcuts. Goodbye. Hi, I'm Billy Jensen. Welcome to My Favorite Murder. I'm guest hosting for Karen in Georgia.
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I'm the co-host of Jensen and Hull's The Murder Squad with Paul Hulls. And Georgia and Karen are
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not only my friends, but they're my bosses and they make me laugh out loud. And I'm so excited
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to be guest hosting. I actually went back. I listened to a bunch of episodes and I went back
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and listened to the first episode and Georgia and it says, I feel like we're going to change lives.
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She was joking, but she doesn't realize how true that was, including my life, too.
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I love MFM and I'm here to present my favorite Georgia story and my favorite Karen story.
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So we're going to start with my favorite Georgia story. I listened to a bunch. I listened to Honolulu Strangler, Michael Peterson, Jill Dando, Tent Girl.
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But the one I settled on is the Dexter murder from episode 163. I love this episode.
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The storytelling is clear. It's concise. since the subject was a guy making a star wars movie there are darth maul and boba fett references
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live action role playing or larping is described by them as civil war reenactments meets star wars
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there are references to bumblebee and wolverine and dating sites and catfishing and it's it's
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classic georgia and karen because it's georgia talking about how reckless she was as a teenager
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in chat rooms talking to all types of strangers and her username by the way was georgia 1313 which
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is funny. And then Karen riffing on MySpace with a great line where she says, why don't you just
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walk down Melrose and ask everyone you meet, am I good looking? So, but in the end, you know,
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they get serious about a really horrific sociopath named Mark Twitchell, who catfished a man and
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then lured him to a kill room he created, inspired by the TV character Dexter. So here it is,
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my favorite Georgia story. Now it's your turn. Okay, it's my turn now. We hate murderers. They
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fucking suck. That's true. Overall, this one is particularly a douchebag. Okay. So, here we go. This is
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the Dexter copycat killer. Okay. You hear from me? I've heard about this. Okay. We didn't do this, did we?
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It was in a minisode. Okay. So, we didn't do this. We didn't do this, dude. We did it in a
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minisode. I was going to do it at a live show when we were in Toronto. Toronto. Toronto. Toronto. I did get
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that message. But it was 30 hours away from Toronto. So I did it. But here we go. Meanwhile, I'm doing them that are like up in the Arctic
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circle. Never, never even thinking about it. What do they want? Yeah. This guy sucks so
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fucking bad. Okay. Mark Twitchell is his name. Sure. He's born in Edmonton, Canada on July
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4th, 1979. 4th of July. It means nothing. It's in Canada. It's absolutely meaningless.
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They don't care. They don't know what you're talking about. Right. He graduates from the
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radio and television program at the Northern Alberta Institute of Technology. He fucking
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wants to be a filmmaker. He, okay, spent several years living in the Midwest, goes back to Canada to pursue
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a career in filmmaking, which has never been said before. Here come all the Edmonton
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filmmakers down your throat. That's fucking right. He's obsessed with sci-fi, likes doing cosplay.
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Not that there's anything wrong with that, but this guy sucks particularly badly. Okay.
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Dresses up, plays out scenes from his favorite movies called LARPing. Right. Yes. Live action role play.
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So he's. Yeah. Basically, there's regular nerds who especially love a certain thing and want to delve all the way into it.
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Yes. We relate. We are those nerds. Absolutely. But then there's the nerves, nerds that do that.
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But then they also have a homicidal element to their personality. We don't like them. No. We'll go to your fucking.
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It's basically like doing a Civil War reenactment. Yes. But a fucking Star Wars. That sounds way more fun than a Civil War reenactment.
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Here's what he looks like. Picture Adam Devine, the comedian from Workaholics. Who could actually play my younger brother if necessary.
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Really? Adam Devine, don't you think? I don know I never thought about it Leave it Leave it Who Paul Giamatti younger brother Is that okay So it Paul Nope Adam Devine
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Okay. But picture him in a homemade bumblebee costume from fucking Transformers,
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or dressed up as Wolverine with like, you know, fake sideburns at a bar. He's also,
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So this is like, so this is the early 2000s. So he's super into going online, looking for personal relationships,
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goes to like dating sites and shit, chat rooms. Remember those? No. We loved them so much.
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Yes, we did. The idea of being on that and like just trying to randomly talk to anybody,
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I would never do that in a million years. I did it constantly. Keep in mind, I was under 20 years old the entire time.
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I did it. That is a forensic files waiting to happen. Georgia 1313 was my, my username.
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Oh shit. That just hit me. I just remembered that. Like, do you think that people were like, hopefully she's 13?
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Oh God. I didn't even think about that. I just was like, what's a, what's a scary number?
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13. Great. Do it twice. Oh man. Look and double down. I didn't really get deep into it, but I did go into a lot of straight edge and fucking
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raver chat rooms. Well that you needed that information. I did. That was stuff like, guys, where do we go pick up the egg that then inside has the directions
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to the warehouse? right? Isn't that raver life? Okay. I was too old. I was just like, it was too old. That's to me,
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all of the internet. And when it started like that and it was all my space and why aren't you my
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friend on my space type of shit? I was not on any of it. And I would say to people all the time,
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why don't you just walk down Melrose and ask people, do you think I'm good looking? Cause
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it's the same fucking thing or smart or deep or anything or interesting. I I'm 10 years younger
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than you. So I was deep into that shit. Yeah. I had a fucking live journal from the very beginning.
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Yeah, girl. I love that shit. It's it was my home. He also used like for his dating picture
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was a photo of Darth Maul. Oh, honey. Not just Star Wars, but from the reboot, which everyone knows is terrible. Right. Don't get mad at me, everyone. Okay. I'm not wrong.
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um or well can i just say he didn't use jar jar banks and maybe that's the that's the number one
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douche oh you're oh no wait no you're right he doesn't you're like well hold on hold okay yes
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correct well can i ask a question about this though i might not be able to answer it okay i
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think you will okay was he shopping for ladies or men on these dating sites ladies okay he was
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super into ladies and somehow they were into him well because you know why because they saw that
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picture of Darth Maul and they're like, there he is. It's my dream man. Wait, is he Wolverine?
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He might be Wolverine. Can he transform? Oh my God. The sideburns alone. Love they loved it.
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So he calls himself a Renaissance man. And then I wrote, we call him a chode. Wow. In 2000, he's 21. He meets a woman named Megan online. They fucking fall in love and hit
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it off as only you could do in the early 2000s and fall in love. It was the best love back then.
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Best love. Yeah. I did it a couple times. Yeah. I totally fell for people online.
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She thinks he's charming and sweet and smart. And they, they're talking online for fucking months.
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Totally fucking did it. And Megan, who lives in the States, flies to Edmonton to marry Mark Twitchell.
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Wait. After a couple months of talking. Talking, but not meeting in real life. I don't know if they had met,
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but maybe it probably was for a long weekend if they had. Yeah. That's no. He's 21.
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She's 20. they get married. She moves to Edmonton. Okay. From Colorado. Can I just say what I might always
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I have a feeling that Mary, maybe she floated a thing of like, I can't fuck you unless we're
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married. No. She's like, if this guy, did you ever fall in love with a guy online? No. Yeah.
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If this guy is who he's purporting to be online. Oh my God. And it hadn't been like outed yet that
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we that don't trust anyone online, which we all know now. Yes. But like, this guy's amazing.
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Checked all her boxes. It was like, this was meant to be. Yes. Okay. Yeah. They're like,
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well, we're in love. You're the person you say you are online. I'm going to get online.
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Try it. I'm going to join my space. I don't care. I'm doing it. Get on there with me. Let's all see
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start from the beginning. Go to make out club, which I did. I, yeah, it's in our book actually.
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okay um oh uh pick up our book um sometime in may we don't know when we don't know uh okay so she
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gets married to him they stay married for four years but as soon as she moves her she's like
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oh shit this isn't the guy i thought he was online huh really nobody knew me i'm now the meanest
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older sister in the world oh really oh really deborah because you thought you're gonna go to
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edmonton and everything was right yeah just because you spoke to him three times on the phone
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and the fucking and you know there was fucking long distance charges back then too on the phone
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everyone you don't know there wasn't tweeting and i mean texting and she was like every time
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she called him it was like 10 10 2 20 that's right you all these know what we're talking about
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uh she realizes he's a compulsive liar and that he's cheating on her constantly which is just who
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he was he was a fucking sociopathic narcissistic piece of shit liar wow just a guy who thinks he's
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smarter than everyone and very bright and but yet has but sucks and has huge blind spot darth maul
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Okay. He's a real Darth Maul. Yeah. A Canadian one at that. Right. So, yet, less than a year after their relationship ends, he remarries in 2005 to another woman
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he's met online. They fucking have a baby. And this creep, Mark Twitchell, starts, he gains a small following among sci-fi fans,
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because he's, like, cool to them, when he directs a movie that he makes using green screen
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called Star Wars, Secrets of the Rebellion. Oh, he makes his own Star Wars movie.
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He makes his own Star Wars movie using mostly green screen and that doesn have the money to have someone do the actual work to make it real Right So also you can make money on someone else idea So he would have just immediately been sued
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George Lucas would have had had him for dinner. But he was so cocky that he was like, I'm going to make this and this is what's going to get me work.
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Like they're going to see how great I am. And he's just this cocky mean. Everyone who worked on the film was like, he was such a fucking asshole.
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We hated him. Yeah. And the movie has a short cameo by the dude who plays Boba Fett in the Star Wars movie, which I was listening to this episode from last podcast on the left.
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And they're like, well, he's wearing a mask. So who the fuck even you don't need.
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I was going to say, is it the actor? Either way, it doesn't matter. Right. That's unprovable.
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Right. So then he also starts working after that. He does that. He's like, this is going to make me famous.
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Then he starts working on a script for a comedy that he calls Day Players, which is essentially Extras.
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Oh, OK. By our friend Ricky Gervais. Thank you. Which is just about Extras. He's not our friend, by the way.
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I know. He's a Siamese cat. We don't know him. OK, so he starts making this fucking stupid show.
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There's a trailer for it online that's basically every dude you've ever dated in improv.
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if they made a fucking short with like their video camera from 2007. No, thank you.
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And like Rift. And then we're like, this is the best part. Let's put it in the trailer.
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And you had to be like, oh, my God, baby, it's so I'm sorry. I'm talking from experience.
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No, baby, it's so funny. You're the best one, though. I mean, it's so good. And you're so fun.
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How do you think of stuff that quickly? Can I just right now quote my friend Derek Riddle, who is an incredible, incredibly talented
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Scottish actor who was on the book group with me. One of the funniest people I've ever met,
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but an amazing actor. And you've actually seen him in a ton of stuff. I can't think of offhand.
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But one time was we were being driven to set. It was me and Derek Riddle was in the front seat,
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Jimmy Lance and one other person. And those guys were talking and they were just riffing endlessly.
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And it was just this kind of nonsensical conversation that they were riffing through.
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And from the front seat, I'm not going to be able to do the Scottish accent correctly,
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but Derek just goes Jesus somebody block somebody run through this motherfucking thing and end
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this shit ruin this somebody know but this improv improvisation it does make you
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it does make you appreciate really fucking good improv when you see it after you've seen
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so many exes bad improv I'm sorry there's a lot about everything out there. There is. The majority of most things are bad. But you don't have to date
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a person who's doing it. And like a lot of bad things that you don't have to go to their performance of.
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Like someone's bad at painting. You don't have to sit and watch them paint for two and a half hours.
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And get drunk at, okay, at IO. Listen. Okay. So he's a fucking lying liar who lies. He quits his job, doesn't tell his wife,
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does the fucking thing of, I'm going to work now, goodbye, which is like such a fucking sociopathic
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thing to do. But also, Oh, you get it. It's my favorite. There's something about it that fills
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me. I become enthralled. It's very similar to, um, Mardi Gras just started and one of it's, uh,
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I believe it's the skin and bones crew, but they started their party at 5.00 AM. And when I saw the
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video on Twitter there, it was almost like I was in a float up off the couch. The idea of getting
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up at 5am to drink and party and do drums in the street and hang out. What is like my dream?
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You know, who else does that is people who are into football, which aka soccer overseas. Yeah.
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And they'll do that. And I'm like, damn, I wish I could watch that. I wish I cared. Yeah. Set
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your alarm and get up and you're like, well, I have to drink because over there it's after five,
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but I just, any, anything like that. And, and then also this idea that maybe you fucked up,
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maybe you fucked up so bad you can't tell anyone so then you you're putting all this energy into
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tricking people into believing you didn't fuck up yeah like but that just shows what a lot like that
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you i mean once you get to that place where you can't lie because you've already lied so many
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fucking or you have to lie because you've like no it's i know i'm just remembering in college
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after i flunked out of college between the time i told my parents and didn't i would get up every
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day and run to the mailbox to make sure they didn't get my report card before me. And after,
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after I broke the news, whatever, my dad goes, yeah, your little mailbox trip didn't work either.
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Of course. It's like, I've never cared about mail in my life. And suddenly I'm getting up and running
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to the mailbox every day where it's just like your parents know you, they know what you're doing.
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I think you're stupid. Everybody knows quits his job. Um, but he still goes out on Friday nights
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pretending he has a job. He has he rents a garage in Edmonton Southside, which apparently was a bad
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neighborhood. He there was like a literal garage that he rented from a couple who didn't speak
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English. So he's like, great, they won't be able to tell anyone anything. Oh, yeah, that's what he
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does. And he also starts telling he's trying to get investors in what he's calling his A-list
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movie, big budget movie that he's going to make that has A-list stars that's already have already
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signed on in the movie and he's like a great bullshitter. Like Boba Fett will be there and of course Darth Maul
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is going to make an appearance. Yes, he fucking talks about Alec Baldwin being in front. Like he's just like
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he's lying and he's really good at it like a lot of sociopaths are. Yeah. And so
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people kind of believe him and he ends up getting like 90 grand to fucking make this movie. That's a lot of money. That's a lot
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of fucking money. Yeah, he's it's the sociopath or whatever psychopath where the charisma
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floats it. And I know a lot of us are like, wait, he can get a wife and fucking all this money. Two wives. Two wives.
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But he's a liar. But it's like, well, you have to have follow through. Like if he had put as much
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effort and fucking time into like what he actually did as he did selling his bullshit including to like selling it to these women that he not a piece of shit Yeah Maybe this would have been fine Just how about just don be a piece of shit a little bit Right If that a choice Give it a shot
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We don't know. Sometimes it's not a choice. Yeah. Try and go to therapy. Okay. So he also spends a lot of time on the internet where he creates fake accounts and he and fake
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identities and catfishes the shit out of people. Sorry. I'm just thinking of every Star Wars character he's pretending to be on the internet.
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Boba Fett. Name, too. It's me. R2-D2. Date me. I'm a robot. There you go. And around this time,
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he starts to become obsessed with the show Dexter. Yeah. Which I've never seen a single fucking episode of. It was good.
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Yeah? Yes. Okay. Yeah, it was really good because it was like a procedural, but then it was also like Silence
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of the Lambs. And there was a slightly comic element, and that actor who plays Dexter
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that we've talked about a lot on the show. I love him so much. I, of course, can't remember his name.
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I went to his house once. That's right. And he was in that series that we loved.
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Remember when he had that accent? Yes, the British one. What? Something, Michael something.
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Michael Seahawks. Michael Seahawks. Ah, he is so good. He is so good and great to watch.
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Yes. Also, John Lithgow was on Dexter. Right. Like, it was great. I didn't watch it out of any kind of, I didn't watch TV.
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I couldn't afford TV at the time. And I had a desk job and I couldn't illegally download it to my work computer.
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That's the only reason I never watched it. If only there was some kind of a, like a Russian hub you could have linked through.
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I tried. I tried once and it was like a little bit, um, like fucked up. And I was like, well, I can get through this with like a little bit of a fucked up screen.
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And then I was like, I have a headache now. So I just stopped trying. That was the last time I tried.
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Do you know that I couldn't remember my HBO go password. So this last season of the Sopranos, I just bought it.
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And I told that to my friend, Molly, and she was like, you fucking idiot. It's for free.
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because I was like, I just, I just bought it. She's like, it's free. Just sitting there.
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Yeah. I can't figure it out. Yeah. Solve your own problems. Can't. Like my therapist used to say,
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Kim, throw money at the problem. Yeah. That's what I did. Yeah. I just bought it. Yeah. Great.
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Goodbye. Goodbye. Um, okay. Okay. So he, of course, if everyone who doesn't know Dexter
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Morgan, it's a TV show about a forensic blood spatter analyst by day and a serial killer by
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night he fucking kills other serial killers right yes great premise we love it very satisfying very
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satisfying it's like finally it's a good psychopath child molesters to everyone everybody great that's
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the whole arc of it was the all the different kinds of bad guys and he worked in the police
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department love it yeah so he watches all episodes probably a lot of episodes yeah i don't know how
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many there are in four days whoa what yeah so he like does the fucking crazy person thing he binged
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it. Wait, am I a crazy person? That's all I do. Well, no. Yes and no. No. Because you don't
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then go, well, now I'm going to go kill people. Oh, true. Thank you. So he creates
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a Dexter Morgan persona on his Facebook page. He pretends that he's Dexter Morgan. He actually gets a kind of following
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of fans and communicates with them. And he posts a thing that's like, you know, Mark Twitchell
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is way, way too similar to fucking Dexter Morgan and creepy shit like that, where it's like,
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calm down, dude. So he's living on his investment money from the movie he was going to make.
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And then that movie is called, he creates this new movie called House of Cards. Before all of it.
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Before House of Cards. It's the Canadian House of Cards. It's the House of Cards, eh?
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House of Cards, yeah. House of Cards. I'm stealing that from Vince and Jesse Pop and my friend
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from Canada who's so funny Casey Corbin I just got to meet in our Toronto shows hilarious comedian in Canada
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so it's an 8 minute slasher flick that he makes about cheating so basically he's Dexter
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but he's like I'm going to change this slightly because I don't want to get sued
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and he kills cheating husbands instead dead okay he fucking makes fake profiles of women on these dating sites finds and catches cheating
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husbands kills them seems a bit extreme yeah it's like just to have a divorce yeah exactly
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not dexter's killing serial killers right and also very good thing this motherfucker cheats on
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his wife all the time what's happening like let's not self-loathing let's not be a hypocrite can you
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not but so he writes this bullshit fucking movie um and he he tases where the character tases and
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abducts these people wearing a hockey mask. And he takes them to a chair, gets all their information,
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cleans out their bank account, and in the end runs them through with a samurai sword
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and hacks up the body parts. Good God. Can I just say that Dexter never stole money from people?
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Right. From what I remember. Like he had a job. There was no financial gain. It was all purely like this is for the good of the people.
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Right. He also probably didn't own a samurai sword, which is like if you were dating a guy and you went over to his house and a fucking samurai sword
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i'd be like oh i have to check my car really right do the last word wouldn't be on the side
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no if you own a samurai sword and an iguana get get the fuck out of there or both i'm not saying
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one of the right especially if the iguana is on your shoulder holding a samurai sword and you have
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a goatee and the iguana has a goatee get out of there we are making enemies left right and center
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on this episode and i'm only two pages into this fucking story okay all right here we go uh so
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shortly after he shot this fucking stupid movie in his garage um a dude named john who goes by
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johnny altinger has a date with a woman he met online we're cutting to over here okay johnny is
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He's tall and friendly. He's a 38 year old oil field equipment engineer, whatever the fuck that means.
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he loves riding motorcycles, and he is really close to his friends. So he tells his friends,
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I'm going to meet this woman I met online on the website Plenty of Fish. Oh, the Christian dating website?
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Is that a Christian dating website? It sure is. Great. He's like, I'm so excited to meet her. She seems super fucking cool. She won't give
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me her phone number. And one of his really smart friends was like, give me her address
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just in case. That seems sketchy. Yes, I bet that was a woman. Yeah. this guy has good friends. So he sends her the directions to the address in Edmonton Southside
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where he's going to meet his date, Jen, to pick her up for a date. And Jen's like, just go through
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the dark garage to the back patio, which is like, we always say to women, don't go to someone's
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house to meet them, meet them in a public place. But like men, you don't think about that, you
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know? Right. And I think it's, it's rare that anything like this would happen. Right. But all
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of us should just be cautious for the first couple days slightly cautious just like let's let's meet
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on the sidewalk yeah let's make sure there's it's at least a two to three lane highway that we're
00:25:05
near and lots of public exposure like i feel like a lot of i wish i'd known earlier like you're not
00:25:11
a bitch if you don't trust someone you've never fucking met before thank you let's shake on that
00:25:16
one that's a handshake statement if i've ever heard yeah you're not a bitch if you don't trust
00:25:22
someone you've never met before. Right. Or don't know very well. I mean, and I'm talking six,
00:25:27
eight months in. Yes. No, trust must be earned by esteemable acts and trustworthy acts. Exactly.
00:25:35
If there have been none, trust doesn't exist. Right. And you're not a fucking cunt because
00:25:40
you're where you're, don't let them gaslight you into thinking what an untrusting person you are
00:25:44
when you have ample reason not to trust someone. And as an acting cunt, I would just like to tell
00:25:48
the people that are afraid to be one actress. I mean, I act like one that come on over to this
00:25:54
side. Cause it's, if someone accuses you of that, it's really not that bad. Right. Most of the time
00:25:58
that just means that you're asserting yourself and not doing whatever another person wants you to do,
00:26:04
which I don't recommend. I love it. I'm there with it. Yeah. Um, so, so Johnny, uh, after he
00:26:12
goes to meet this woman and just after seven o'clock he sends a message to his friends saying
00:26:16
And he's arrived at this date, and it's the last time anyone hears from Johnny. Realist, really.
00:26:24
Okay. It's Canadian Thanksgiving, which is a thing, in 2008, two days after Johnny had met with his date, Jen,
00:26:32
when he misses a fucking much-anticipated motorcycle bike trip with his friends.
00:26:39
And they're all like, that's not like him at all. He's super fucking punctual and reliable.
00:26:42
And then they get an email from John saying, quote, I met this extraordinary woman, Jen.
00:26:48
I'm going away with her to her summer home in Costa Rica. I'll call you at Christmas time.
00:26:53
In a month. Yeah. OK. Well, I'm assuming that Canadian Thanksgiving is around the time of American Thanksgiving.
00:26:59
You've got to imagine it's not in like fucking August, right? I would hope. Yeah.
00:27:03
So, yeah. So they get like if you had a message from your friends like goodbye, don't contact me.
00:27:08
I'm going away. No. No. So his friends and family, of course, like, that's not fucking right.
00:27:12
And they start calling around. They get word when he doesn't show up for work. They call the police.
00:27:16
The police are like, wait it out. It's not a big deal. His friends are like, you don't know, Johnny.
00:27:19
So they break into his apartment. Oh, good. Where they find his clothes, his suitcase, his passport, all that shit.
00:27:25
There's no signs that he left on a vacation. So the police are probably like, all right, let's fucking look into this.
00:27:31
I love those friends. I know. I love that they broke into his apartment. That's that kind of thing, too, where it's just like, you go kick that door down.
00:27:38
What's going to happen? And they're going to arrest you. And if Johnny comes back from Costa Rica, you can be like, what the fuck is wrong with you, dick?
00:27:44
Yeah, I'm not paying for your fucking door. You need to call your friends and family.
00:27:47
And if but he would never do that, because he came back from Costa Rica and was like, you guys, he would have been like, you love me so much.
00:27:53
I know my door down to find that out. Be get hysterical sometimes. Get in there.
00:27:57
Do it. Kick down doors. This detective, Bill Clark, is assigned to Johnny's case.
00:28:04
Johnny's been missing for nine days at this point. he follows the directions to the garage that that he had given to his friend and um contacts the
00:28:12
person renting it our fucking aspiring filmmaker mark twichell who's been shooting a movie there
00:28:17
twichell's like great let's take a look he's like super into like everything's fine i'll show you
00:28:23
around oh the lock's been picked i don't know what's going on like someone must have been in
00:28:26
here i haven't been in here since the 10th they find a receipt inside from the 15th from mark's
00:28:31
fucking like he's he just is not good at murder he's not good and he thinks he's great he thinks
00:28:35
he's really fucking smart and he's truly one of the worst you've like most incompetent fucking
00:28:41
people you've ever seen but he thinks he's smart so um he asked questions like he's concerned um
00:28:47
and they don't consider him a suspect at all and they start questioning people around the
00:28:52
neighborhood they find a couple who say that they saw and they witnessed an attack a couple weeks
00:28:57
back they say uh they that someone came out of a garage running out of a garage and uh trying to
00:29:07
get help and they freaked out and ran and someone was like chasing him and they're like it happened
00:29:11
this time but but the cops are like that's weird it happened a week before johnny's date so what
00:29:17
the fuck are they talking about no so they go public with hopes of finding info and that's when
00:29:24
this dude fucking uh guiles jill tetro so this dude is a 33 year old contractor um he had been
00:29:32
separated from his wife he had joined plenty of fish at that time and he has a fucking story to
00:29:37
tell that he hadn't come forward with so friday october 3rd a week before johnny had gone on his
00:29:44
date he goes to edmondson south side to meet a woman he had been chatting with on plenty of fish
00:29:50
Sheena is an attractive woman, seems really anxious to meet him. She's smart. She articulate They been flirting She suggested her in a movie and they going to go meet up at her house A few minutes past 7 o he arrives parks outside an open garage goes into the garage
00:30:08
It's too dark to see when someone starts attacking him and fucking uses a stun gun on him.
00:30:14
He gets shocked, and he turns to see a man towering over him with a hockey mask on.
00:30:20
Oh, my God. The guy in the mask pulls out a gun and points it at him. and uh so this tetro uh is like oh shit this isn't my date and he forgot to tell anyone where he was
00:30:31
going to be and he's like oh shit i'm dead the masked man pushes him to the ground covers his
00:30:37
eyes with duct tape and tetro rips the duct tape from his eyes and jumps to his feet and later he
00:30:42
says quote i decided i better fight back i'd rather uh i'd rather die my way than his way
00:30:48
yes and spoiler alert i know this because he later writes a book called the one who got away
00:30:53
escape from the kill room whoa yeah so this guy uh he reaches to wrestle the gun out of this dude's
00:31:01
hand he fucking finds like when he touches it he realizes it's a plastic fucking fake gun
00:31:05
and they start fucking brawling and uh tetro drops to the ground fucking indiana jones rolls
00:31:14
out under the garage door. Yes. Fucking gets out onto the street. Throw me the idol. I'll throw you
00:31:19
the whip. Yes. Um, he tries to run when he gets out there, but his legs aren't working because of
00:31:24
the fucking stun gun. He's crawling down the unpaved gravel driveway and fucking Mark Twitchell
00:31:30
comes after him, grabs his fucking legs and starts pulling him into the garage. It's Saw.
00:31:34
It's the movie Saw. Yeah. Tetra looks up and sees a fucking couple out for a walk. And he's like,
00:31:40
oh my god fucking help me i'm getting robbed the couple freezes because they see this dude
00:31:45
with duct tape and like getting fucking dragged and the person who's dragging them has a hockey
00:31:50
mask on dude like what would you do yeah you'd be like what the fuck is this shit i would run
00:31:55
toward that hockey mask fingers out let me help you yeah right no they freaked out and they they
00:32:01
ran away um but but the but mark had run away at that moment too so they call 9-1-1 the cops get
00:32:08
there and by the time they're there everyone's gone okay but but fucking uh tetra was able to
00:32:15
escape and he doesn't come forward because he's afraid of being followed and attacked he thinks
00:32:18
the person must know who he is yeah he does know who he is he has all his information from that
00:32:23
dating right and he can't track him down on plenty of fish he's like this is fucked up and scary
00:32:27
which sucks because if he had come forward maybe something but it makes perfect sense it's like you
00:32:32
basically went then through the most traumatic thing that's ever happened to you you feel like
00:32:36
stupid fucking idiot probably a little bit. Well, there's, yeah, there's a lot, a lot involved there.
00:32:41
Yeah. But then he comes forward. He finds out about this. Yeah. So, um, days after Mark Twitchell's first interview,
00:32:50
he comes back to the station and is like, Oh, by the way, I meant to tell you guys this.
00:32:54
I actually bought a new car from a dude who was selling his car on the street. It happens to be a Mazda hatchback,
00:33:01
which is the same car that Johnny fucking drove. Oh, so he's like, it was so weird. Um, this guy was selling his car on the street because he was, he had met a really
00:33:12
rich lady who was going to buy him a new car when they got back from their vacation in Costa Rica,
00:33:16
like just trying to fucking like overdoing his bullshit. Yeah. And which is what liars do. Yes.
00:33:23
Saying he bought the car for $40. Uh, and that's, yeah. Yeah. So it's obviously stupid. Of course,
00:33:30
the culture like, Oh shit, this guy's a fucking idiot. Yeah. But they don't have any hard evidence
00:33:34
on him. So they he denies having anything to do with it. And but obviously becomes a prime suspect.
00:33:42
They get warrants to search his car and home and sees a bunch of fucking dumb movie props and
00:33:48
personal effects. It's October 27. They find a computer with a deleted file in his trash bin.
00:33:54
So he emptied his trash. But also like you can't just throw incriminating evidence into your
00:33:59
fucking computer trash can and expect it to go away. Especially if you don't empty that. That's
00:34:04
Right. It's not how it works. Empty the trash. Just kind of make it hard. Cops like are bored probably.
00:34:09
And they're like, just don't make this so easy for us. Yeah, exactly. So the opening.
00:34:13
So the file is called SK Confessions. SK stands for serial killer. Oh, bro. So this fucking stupid idiot.
00:34:23
The opening line reads, this story is based on true events. The names and events were altered slightly to protect the guilty.
00:34:31
This is a story of my progression into becoming a serial killer. so he fucking details everything he does with slight variations and says it's a fucking script
00:34:40
wow he's so stupid the 40 page document includes diary-like entries that detail his crimes uh and
00:34:48
when uh tetron reads the account of his attack through his words he's like it's reliving the
00:34:53
event that's exactly what happened to me wow um and there's a gruesome step-by-step of how
00:34:58
the murder happened on October 10th of Johnny. So it's a cold-blooded attack with a pipe and
00:35:06
is followed by graphic details of dismemberment and where he hid the remains. So he says exactly what he does coldly
00:35:14
in his quote-unquote script. And they also realized that Mark Twitchell had fucking broken in to Johnny's
00:35:22
apartment and fucking used his email, had gotten his fucking password and used his email to send people messages that he was fine. But how creepy that was in his apartment.
00:35:32
Yeah, that's sinister. So now Mark Twitchell, now 33, is arrested on Halloween of 2008 for the murder
00:35:40
of Johnny Eltinger and police confiscate knives, saws and a cleaver that are stained with Johnny's
00:35:48
blood. And they discover his deleted confession, but they still don't have a body. Fucking Mark
00:35:53
Twitchell refuses to cooperate And there a video of there video of him in the backseat of a fucking squad car being driven around for hours while the cops try to get him to talk And he just quiet and stone like a real video
00:36:05
It's so creepy. Nine months later, though, he gives police a map marking the location of the body, which was in a sewer drain.
00:36:14
It's so sad. So March 2011, March Trichell goes to trial for first-degree murder.
00:36:20
And he takes the stand. he admits that he lured tetro and johnny to his garage but he wasn't planning on hurting them he
00:36:30
says he attacked the men as a prank to get publicity for the movie that he was making
00:36:34
and uh he assumed that they would talk about their attacks and it would help promote his film and he
00:36:40
said it got it went wrong when john got angry about the prank and started attacking march he
00:36:44
said mark he said it was fucking self-defense bullshit yeah um clearly because then after the
00:36:52
In fact, you're sending people emails and you have all kinds of plans and schemes.
00:36:56
And you write it as if it's true. Yeah. He also claims that his writings aren't about the murder at all, but that SK doesn't stand
00:37:02
for serial killer, but Stephen King, whatever. He describes himself as a psychopath with little ability to feel empathy, but he's never
00:37:10
diagnosed with any mental condition. Of course, in the end, the fucking jury deliberates for five hours before finding him guilty of
00:37:17
first degree murder. Oh, good. He's sentenced to life in prison and is currently serving that without the possibility of parole for 25 years in Saskatchewan and penitentiary.
00:37:28
So then I was doing some research and in an ironic twist, fucking Johnny Eltinger, the victim, he was also a bit of a nerd himself.
00:37:40
He had been obsessed with computers since he was a kid and he got his first Commodore 64.
00:37:44
It's like he was a fucking total computer nerd, too, and was like obsessed with this stuff.
00:37:48
The only difference was he was a fucking psychopath asshole. So this was like the good guy.
00:37:53
He used his computer skills in the 90s to play text-based fantasy role-playing games like Legend of the Red Dragon using his dial-up modem.
00:38:02
And he even had the alias Ultra Magnus, which is a character from Transformers as well.
00:38:07
So there's this weird similarity between the two, except he wasn't a fucking piece of shit.
00:38:13
Johnny's friends and family describe him as quiet, affectionate, and giving. at his, you know, at the funeral.
00:38:22
But nobody said the same thing about Mark Twitchell in court. And that's the fucking story of the Dexter copycat killer.
00:38:28
Wow. Yeah. I feel like I've seen, I've seen the whatever American justice version of that.
00:38:34
Yes. And it's so disturbing. Like that idea that you're arriving somewhere thinking you're starting a date.
00:38:40
Like the most pure reason, like date night energy. And you get attacked by somebody in a fucking hockey mask.
00:38:47
And this guy was 40. He was like really wanting to settle down. He wanted love. And he met this. It was just like the most pure reason. Yeah. And that happens. It's it's heartbreaking and awful. It's horrible. Yeah. Yeah, it's good. That's fucked up. So. What? Rain? Whoa. Or rollercoaster.
00:39:11
what an awful story told very well i hope you enjoyed it now my karen story again so many to
00:39:23
choose from i thought about poly class which was karen's hometown or ronnie chasen but i had to
00:39:31
pick the story of bonnie lee bakely from episode 112 which happened right around the corner from me
00:39:37
Now, Bonnie Lee Bakley was married to a famous actor named Robert Blake. She was shot in his car after they ate dinner together when he said he was going back into the restaurant because he forgot his gun.
00:39:46
It's an insane story. There's so much more to it. And I learned things that I didn't know.
00:39:50
The episode is classic Karen. She sings. She does voices and impressions. Her description of the old school Italian restaurant Vitello's is, if you like kiss your finger style Italian bullshit, this is your place.
00:40:03
she sings sammy davis jr's keep your eye on the sparrow which is the theme song from beretta
00:40:08
there's a reference to steven grooming his mustache and you know what i'm gonna sound a
00:40:14
little like stefan here or stefan but this story has everything it's got polygamy debbie does
00:40:20
dallas jerry lee lewis a hookup in a van behind a jazz bar an explanation of los angeles's famous
00:40:26
It's Angeline Georgia losing her retainer at Mimi's Cafe in Van Nuys. And Karen gives the sage advice that how Hollywood makes you think you can do things you shouldn't and can't do.
00:40:38
In the end, it's a tragic tale of a woman shot dead and a movie star husband who many still think had something to do with it.
00:40:45
So here is Karen's story of Bonnie Lee Bakley. OK, so this I'm doing this story this week because I mentioned it last time.
00:40:55
It's the murder of Bonnie Lee Bakley. Yes. And the eventual trial of famous Hollywood actor
00:41:04
Robert Blake. Fuck yes, Karen. And it centers around one of the most popular and exciting Italian
00:41:11
restaurants in the Valley, Vitello's. It's gone, right? No, I think they redid it. It's still there.
00:41:16
Oh, yeah. Okay. It's just totally different now. Because it used to be like divey.
00:41:20
Well, it used to be like, you know what it was? It was like, clearly it was like built in the 60s, 70s, probably early 70s, I would say. So the inside was like
00:41:31
these big naugahyde booths that were like red, red plastic leather. Love it. There's a huge,
00:41:39
like wall, you know, fresco or whatever you want to call it. Exactly right. Of like, I don't know,
00:41:47
I can't remember if it was like Venice and grapes are grapes and draped on everything. And they're
00:41:53
dusty because no one ever cleans them Yeah like literal like plastic grapes Like look at the bounty of Milan or I mean wherever Yeah And they have like a house a glass of house Chianti for or whatever
00:42:05
And they have those like melty red candles. It's just the whole, it's exactly like the classic Italian restaurant.
00:42:11
And the food, like the garlic bread is just a big loaf of sourdough cut in half with garlic on it.
00:42:18
I love old school places like this so fucking much. I want to cry. Yeah, it's, you know exactly what you're going to get.
00:42:25
And Vitello's is good food. Is it? Because I don't even care. If it's like a, if it's the fucking ambiance is on point, I'm good.
00:42:33
Well, do you like opera singers? Because they have that. Shut up. Yes, they'll have all of a sudden an opera singer will bust out singing.
00:42:39
Can I tell you something really quickly? Do you know the one that's just like this on Vermont called, Stephen?
00:42:46
You know. Hold on. It's on Vermont. The Dresden? No, it's on Vermont across from the House of Pies.
00:42:52
We go there all. Vince and I used to go there. Oh, yes. it's um we used to order pizza from there when i lived on alexandria yeah hold on cut this it's
00:42:59
like dominoes it's like it's not it's i mean no not dominoes but like um it's called the p
00:43:06
p chelly pits yeah i know oh sorry we can cut this out oh why am i doing this like padrino
00:43:17
palermo that's right all right you did it palermo leave it in leave it in palermo's just like that
00:43:23
also when you go in and you're waiting for your table you can get a glass of like dollar boxed
00:43:27
wine too yeah it's like the best so one time once i went through the first time we're like this place
00:43:31
is amazing uh and it was a friday night so they had there a guy with a um what are they called
00:43:38
an accordion accordion walking around singing at tables and i go oh my god that guy fucking was
00:43:46
the entertainment at my brother's bar mitzvah no i was like is your name fucking israel
00:43:51
whatever it was and he was like freaking out too and it was it was him and i took a photo of him
00:43:57
he's like i remember your brother no you don't uh that's amazing no you know what it is it's the
00:44:03
knock chain hometown restaurant in petaluma it's it's um volpe's where we go with my family and
00:44:12
half of it is the original grocery store from the 20s oh my god that they took the like counter out
00:44:19
and put in tables so that you're sitting in the old grocery store. I'm dying. It's really awesome.
00:44:25
And that's up the street from that hotel, Petaluma Hotel. I want you to stay at.
00:44:28
I'm going to come with you to Petaluma one day. You would. Oh, when we do our Sacramento show, we should stay at night.
00:44:33
We can stay at Laura's. Okay. Totally. But anyway, that's, so that's Vitello's. It's neighborhood-y.
00:44:40
It's very Italian. Like, it's, if you like kiss your fingers, you know, style Italian bullshit, that's,
00:44:49
it's there. for you. Is that what they're saying? Yes. That's actually painted on the sign. If you
00:44:54
kiss your finger style Italian bullshit, this is your jam, Maru. So, this was the play. Okay. So, let's just get into this fucking thing because it's so
00:45:07
insane. So, we'll just talk first about Robert Blake. He's a famous actor. And up until this
00:45:12
point, he was kind of one of those, he was like a Hollywood stalwart, I would say. He
00:45:17
started he was one of the kids on our gang oh really yeah he was for in the little rascals
00:45:23
original they called them the film series so they didn't know that yeah and it was basically he grew
00:45:29
up he was born in nutley new jersey to a vaudeville family oh shit his father was an actor and an
00:45:34
alcoholic abusive an asshole um the mom unfeeling and the three siblings they had a little uh like
00:45:44
a vaudeville show with the little kids um called the three little hillbillies put them to work
00:45:50
right so they he's and he described his childhood as feeling like he was uh like a like a monkey
00:45:58
with a monkey grinder like he was just out there begging for change around town in nutley new jersey
00:46:03
which is horrifying yeah sorry i got all of the things i'm telling you right now from a show that
00:46:10
I couldn't love the title of more rich and acquitted. So spoiler alert. Now we know.
00:46:17
But I mean, yeah, but we knew because this was a famous case anyway. Why didn't that show in any of these?
00:46:22
I mean, it's so funny because it's when I when I look this up on YouTube, there's like a whole
00:46:27
there's a whole realm of rich and acquitted and and they're real because I when I first started
00:46:32
listening to it, I was like, God, they're being real judgy about like money and they keep talking
00:46:37
about his money and then it's basically talking about how when you have money the entire justice
00:46:43
system works totally differently for you and the whole approach and strategy to the justicism so
00:46:49
system i'm not drunk so so steven the three little hillbillies have uh you know minor success in
00:46:59
nutley new jersey and the surrounding area so then but it's it's the mid-30s so because it's
00:47:06
After the Depression, the movie business is exploding. Everyone's like, I do have 25 extra cents.
00:47:13
I want to spend it on entertainment. I want things to be fun. I want to go and watch the Ziegfeld Follies or whatever,
00:47:18
something big in a movie theater and have a good time. So his father moves the whole family out to Hollywood
00:47:27
because he thinks he's going to be the movie star. Bad news. They're so poor they sleep in the car.
00:47:34
you know it's really hard but the father gets a job in a hardware store and uh his mickey was his
00:47:42
name at the time mickey gubatosi was his original robert blake's name is robert blake's real name
00:47:48
honey he was born as mickey gubatosi mickey gubatosi uh he's five years old when he gets
00:47:54
the job on the our gang series wow and he starts as an extra and they show clips on the show and he is the cutest you see him he's got this little twinkle in his eye but
00:48:05
he's also like he's like a little tough guy and it's so cute and then with all i mean our gang if
00:48:10
you go back if you ever have a free day and you just want to have some dumb fun the our gang series
00:48:16
was the cutest sweetest thing and all those little kids were really talented now there is extreme
00:48:23
fucking racism because it was the 30s yeah but the cool thing was or i won't say cool but the
00:48:31
thing that made it slightly different was that buckwheat was one of their friends and hung around
00:48:35
right right um but you know there's also as anything from from before from our lives 95 it's
00:48:44
you know a different time anyhow so he basically he's the one that makes it big and he from um from
00:48:51
our gang. When that's over, he kind of like, basically emancipates himself, runs away from home.
00:48:59
He joins the army. He ends up marrying a woman named Sondra Kerr. He has two kids with her,
00:49:05
starts his family. It looks like he's about to fade into obscurity as like a character actor
00:49:09
that like was a child actor, you know? Yeah. Because people, it was really cool.
00:49:14
They had interviews with like other little kids that had been on that series that grew up to also be actors.
00:49:20
So you could recognize them as they were talking and they were talking about how Robert Blake as a child actor was really good.
00:49:27
He was a really good actor. He was a really serious child. Like he was there to like kill it.
00:49:31
Yeah. Which is very taking it seriously. Exactly. Not just because his parents wanted him to.
00:49:36
Right. Not just because he would get the shit beaten out of him when he went home. But,
00:49:40
but it's just that thing where, you know, like when those, when little kids have it,
00:49:45
that kind of like, why am I looking at that kid? There's six kids and that's the one that's
00:49:49
caught my eye. He was that. So, um, right as he begins to fade into, into obscurity, he gets that part in
00:49:57
In Cold Blood. Whoa. And if you haven't seen the movie that Robert Blake stars, Robert Blake stars as, you
00:50:03
know, one of the two killers in In Cold Blood, and he's so good, and it's really, I only saw a clip of it,
00:50:09
I've never seen the entire movie starts finished. Yeah. But it's really amazing. I think I watched it, but didn't
00:50:15
realize it was him, and you don't watch it again. Yeah, because it's old. It's like a thing you'd see on AMC.
00:50:20
Yeah. But it's really good. Also, and then it started making me think of how much I loved the version with Toby, that British actor.
00:50:30
Keith. McGuire. Keith. Someone make that, please. That short British actor that's in, he was in tons, he's been in tons of stuff. He's so good.
00:50:42
And he plays Truman Capote. Oh. you remember that one and they go out to start interviewing the families it shows how true
00:50:50
maca body wrote that book yeah it's such a good movie that was uh what's his face philip seymour
00:50:55
hoffman did one of a version and then there was another so there was one with philip seymour hoffman
00:51:01
um and there was another one with sandra bullock and toby mcguire no british toby british toby
00:51:09
steven's gonna find it steven once he's done grooming his mustache steven toby keith
00:51:16
oh toby jones toby jones no i don't know who that is no no yeah yeah but he's such a good actor he's
00:51:25
in everything okay um and that oh infamous is the name of the biopic okay from 2006 but then
00:51:32
there's also the the the philip smorhoffman one which is give it a look-see it's good i liked it
00:51:37
i i just love that story that you know somebody like trimmer capote was just such a
00:51:44
insane one of a kind beyond belief that was a sidebar to beat all sidebars because uh basically
00:51:52
he's in cold blood he comes back and that that kind of brings his relevance back and then he
00:51:58
gets the lead on the cop show beretta yeah do you remember that show i was too young you were
00:52:04
definitely too young because i was like it was just in my consciousness that was like such a
00:52:10
mid 70s show yeah but beretta was the cop that had the parrot and so if you remember he was he was
00:52:16
like the italian looking cop with a white parrot on his shoulder and and he kind of had that colombo
00:52:23
thing where he was like yeah man you know yeah and every man i guess is what that impression just
00:52:29
was uh but if you but you can look up old episodes of beretta and if only for the opening theme song
00:52:38
how's it go it was uh the the full version is recorded and uh by sammy davis jr holy shit and
00:52:45
it's called keep your eye on the sparrow and it's like keep your eye on the sparrow you have to look
00:52:51
you have to look it up it's happening it's so like it's so like disco 70s look at the like
00:52:59
hardcore fucking like weird solo bongos at the beginning they're like here we go the streets
00:53:05
keep your yes yeah yes you have it holy shit maybe i do know it it has this show had everything and
00:53:12
he ended up winning an emmy for that for that role i think that show went on for four years
00:53:16
whatever so he basically then becomes a hit and he he does he invests his money wisely and he builds
00:53:22
his wealth um and he also became a fixture on the tonight show and so once beretta was over he was
00:53:29
still like a big presence in hollywood and um the in the winter of two the year 2000 uh
00:53:39
he he goes to a jazz club one night and he meets a woman named bonnie lee bakely
00:53:45
and they hit it off immediately so they and she didn know he was a celebrity um she actually had to call her sister and say have you ever heard of this name because he saying he famous But that was in a quitted rich and acquitted But they really did hit it off Then at the end of the night no judgment they go out to his van and do it
00:54:10
No, like the alley behind the jazz club. That's the first night they met is is they did that.
00:54:18
So then that is where their fate is sealed. That's where in the alley, in the alley behind a jazz club.
00:54:25
club in the picture that they showed on rich and acquitted it was this purple van on these big old
00:54:31
like jacked up wheels oh my god it it looks it's like half scooby-doo half like monster truck rally
00:54:39
you're like where did you get this fucking car oh my god if you invested your money so goddamn wisely
00:54:45
all right in 2002 this car is from 2000 not from the fucking good point that's this is not the
00:54:52
70s we're talking about. It's not Beretta anymore. No. But he was truly keeping his eye on the sparrow. And keeping
00:54:58
it real. Keeping it real in the alley. That's right. So now let's switch over to this
00:55:04
woman, this romance that he's having with Bonnie Lee Bakley. So she was born 1956 in Morristown, New Jersey. She was
00:55:12
also poor growing up. They're both from New Jersey. Both from New Jersey. About 20 years apart or so.
00:55:21
This is she has a fascinating history and this woman if you want to talk about somebody that got fucking
00:55:27
maligned after her own death bonnie lee bakeley we all heard every single thing this woman ever did
00:55:34
uh she was not there to defend herself or even even just be a presence now she did a bunch of
00:55:41
fucked up shit um and that ended up getting proven in court before she met robert blake
00:55:48
but as the cop said in rich and acquitted doesn't mean she deserved to get murdered
00:55:53
and it doesn't mean you know it doesn't mean she's any less of a victim right um i i just
00:56:01
remember when this case started how often they talked like on the radio and you know like
00:56:08
howard stern style talk shit on this woman yeah and apparently it was the lawyer's plan
00:56:14
from the beginning. Yes, they were ready. Once the indictment came or the charges were filed,
00:56:22
the lawyer had it all ready of like, well, here's the victim. And here's her past.
00:56:27
It's pretty intense. Now, going back to where she came from, she was married for the first time
00:56:35
and divorced when she was 15. Oh, honey. Then she dropped out of high school after she had a marriage and a divorce.
00:56:44
what I estimate to be sophomore year. Then she was like, you know what? I'm past high school now.
00:56:52
She's like, when am I going to go back to high school? When am I going to go to the spring formal?
00:56:56
I don't think so. I'm a divorcee. I'm above you all. So she moves to New York City.
00:57:04
She wants to be a model. She's really beautiful. She has great features. She's kind of a bottle blonde,
00:57:10
but she's got this big open face she wants to be model she wants to be an actress and she goes right for those nudes
00:57:18
she's like she just she's like i'm ready to do it i want to do it and let's do this thing um she
00:57:26
nothing pans out uh which sometimes happens when you take nance people are just like yep put him
00:57:33
in the pile with the other nance sure uh she ends up marrying her second husband was her first cousin
00:57:38
no don't do that yeah she did it and she had three kids with him no don't do that either
00:57:43
yeah yeah oh no they did that like what around year is this this is the sorry 70s-ish this is
00:57:50
like the early 70s oh and they're having cousin kids cousin kids and kind of like a i want to be
00:57:56
famous but but maybe i'll just do this instead that's all fine but don't marry your cousin
00:58:01
right yeah whatever the fuck you want don't marry your cousin unless you love hemophiliacs
00:58:07
then we're talking about a different thing. Um, here's, what's kind of cool. So she has all these pictures that she took trying to get break into show
00:58:17
business. Essentially. She's a visionary. She starts a mail order, nude photo mailing like service.
00:58:25
Yes. She puts personal ads in the back of like smut magazines. That's like, Hey,
00:58:31
here's me. Do you want me to send you my nude photos right to me here and send me this
00:58:34
amount of money. So smart. She starts fucking making bank on this business. Yes.
00:58:39
Good for her. So she's like the original dick pic, you know, like nudie gal. She did it first.
00:58:46
Yeah. And she's sent. She wrote send nudes, please. Yes. And they were like, yes.
00:58:52
And then she did it. They're like, I love nudes. I was just reading this whole magazine of nudes.
00:58:56
I'd love more nudes from your home. Right. And she's like, I've got this. so she eventually
00:59:04
makes so much money off of this business she can buy several homes in the Memphis area
00:59:09
oh my god she's supporting that family she's like getting it done we're in the wrong business
00:59:17
I mean you have to be willing to in some of the pictures exercise pass get on all fours with a cowboy hat on and nothing else
00:59:27
oh no I don't want to do that there was a lot of that kind of stuff Yeah, like campy shit.
00:59:32
It seemed very, it was like 70s porn had an innocence about it. Where it's kind of like, look at me with no shirt on.
00:59:39
That's how a lot of those pictures felt. Yeah, I've seen Debbie Does Dallas. Have you?
00:59:43
Yeah. Is it good? No, it's fun. Good storyline though. The best. Powerful ending.
00:59:50
Spoiler alert, Debbie Does Dallas. Oh no, what? The whole nighttime soap opera Okay so now this is fascinating And it kind of shows you the mindset but also like you know she from Tennessee She living in Tennessee at this point right In the Memphis
01:00:10
area, Memphis, Tennessee, just double checking with myself. Um, and she's trying, she still has
01:00:16
that thing of like celebrity. She's always been obsessed with celebrity ever since she was a little
01:00:20
kid. She wanted it. She wanted to be around it. She wanted to be near it. So she gets this idea
01:00:24
in her head. I'm going to hook up with Jerry Lee Lewis. What? Yes. Cousins. He loves
01:00:30
cousins. She loves cousins. That's right. They live in the area where the cousin shit is
01:00:36
entirely supported by the community. Everyone's kissing their cousins. People are
01:00:40
used to it. Go to third base with your cousin. We love it, the town says. No. In 1989,
01:00:47
so she's 33 years old. She's been married four times. Holy shit. She's been arrested for drugs.
01:00:52
Okay. Which, it's the 70s it's gonna happen or well now it's the late 80s okay um but the 70s have existed so i'm giving
01:01:00
her a pass i guess and that's when these were even worse the 80s were a bit nuts but so it's
01:01:06
1989 is when she gets this jerry lee lewis plan okay and she actually ends up hanging out and like
01:01:13
sidling up and she's a gorgeous woman so like she eventually meets him she gets to hang out with him
01:01:19
a little bit. I guess she ends up hooking up with him. She gets pregnant and tells him it's her baby.
01:01:25
And he's like, it's his baby. She's like, look, this is my baby. And there's no way you can prove
01:01:34
me wrong. And Jerry Lewis is like, sounds great. Shit. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I keep hitting the
01:01:38
mic. No, that's okay. Okay. Um, so basically Jerry Lewis is like, why don't you go ahead and take
01:01:43
a paternity test for that baby? They have those in 89. Yeah. They were very popular back then.
01:01:48
And of course, he was not the father. Oh, man. She basically takes her fourth husband.
01:01:57
It is like we're moving to California. Like she just gets out. And I should actually have you look this up because this is the best.
01:02:03
Bonnie Lee Bakley. She takes all that money from her home nudes business and buys herself a billboard on Sunset.
01:02:13
Sunset Strip. Like Angeline style? Angeline style, except for it's just on the right side.
01:02:18
it's her headshot her 80s headshot where she's just like and then it just says lee bonnie that
01:02:24
was her stage name uh-huh lee bonnie with a phone number underneath can i see this i need to see
01:02:29
it's really it's so 80s to me it's just very like look here's an actress on a billboard it's so
01:02:35
angeline if you're not from la oh yeah but you've seen her like if they're if they're gonna do the
01:02:40
beginning of it of a hollywood movie they will cut to an angeline billboard and that's that lady
01:02:44
with the insane breast implants. She's got the 80s. She looks like the rocker chick
01:02:49
who would hang out at like the whiskey. Yes. In the 80s who would like hook up with metal dudes.
01:02:56
Metal dudes. She's got a big kind of baby face, tons of blonde hair. That was a staple of my childhood
01:03:04
when we come to LA to my grandma's house. Angeline had a billboard there and I was just like,
01:03:09
I want to be like her when I grow up. Right. And I am. Look at you. look at you and you saw yourself in that british tabloid um you've made it so well also she was
01:03:20
being bankrolled by some businessman so it was just kind of like do you like this person put
01:03:26
them in your movie or tv show and that's kind of the way some people were trying to get famous
01:03:31
yeah because nobody because they hadn't figured out they can do stand-up comedy yet
01:03:35
uh i'm gonna see if i can find this for you okay god damn i just bit my cheek so hard are you okay yeah there it is that was on sunset oh wow yeah it looks it looks like a um
01:03:50
a real estate yeah it's very reasonable yeah and it is very very beautiful yeah right and it's just
01:03:58
kind of she's just basically like if you drive by this and you want to put me in your thing
01:04:02
sure totally feel free okay plus i have home nudes cheekbones for days she you know she looks like somewhere between Meryl Streep and Bonnie Raitt
01:04:13
yeah she has that look yeah um so like severe angles but pretty yeah okay and a nice tall
01:04:22
forehead maybe a little Sigourney Weaver going on there's a little Weaver in there
01:04:26
she starts writing so this was around the time where Christian Brando ended up going to jail for involuntary manslaughter.
01:04:35
Right. Marlon Brando's son. Yeah. Right. Yeah. He's going off the fucking rails.
01:04:41
Yeah. That's a whole other. I didn't even want to get into it because I'm like, oh, we should save that one.
01:04:46
Because that's a whole insane story. Totally. These Hollywood murders. So he's in jail.
01:04:50
So she's one of those people. She starts writing him letters in jail, sending him homespun nudes.
01:04:57
Absolutely. He's like, this is great. thank you so much. And when he gets out of jail, they start having a relationship. Oh, shit. Yeah.
01:05:06
So that's basically kind of just this on and off thing. They a lot of people in a special say,
01:05:12
like, they're seeing each other. We're like, uh, we get it. We know what that means in a van in the
01:05:17
alley behind the jazz club. But then when she's seeing Christian Brando in real life, that's when
01:05:24
she meets Robert Blake. That's where that story overlaps. Okay. So Bonnie kept flying back to
01:05:30
Arkansas to pick up her mail because apparently when she lived in, uh, she was, she ended up
01:05:40
getting arrested there because she had so many fake IDs and so many fake social security cards
01:05:46
for all the different, um, people that she pretended to be when she had that home nudes
01:05:52
business She never gave anybody her real name So she she had a ton of fake ID like fraudulent ID basically She had gone home to pick up her mail because she had been arrested
01:06:06
Basically, she got pulled over. A cop said, let me see your ID. She pulls out one.
01:06:10
15 other ones fall out. The cop's like, what the fuck? She gets arrested for fraud or whatever.
01:06:16
So now she's on probation in Arkansas. So she has to have an address there. Yeah.
01:06:21
So she keeps, she like stays in LA for a little while, goes, checks her billboard to see if there's any takers.
01:06:27
And then she goes back. She has to go back to Arkansas. She's been doing that on and off.
01:06:31
Okay. But once she hooks up with Robert Blake, so it's April of 1989 now, she finds out she's pregnant.
01:06:38
Yeah. So she tells both Christian Brando and Robert Blake that they're the father.
01:06:44
And she's kind of doing this thing of like, I'm not sure which one I want to marry.
01:06:49
and I'm still trying to pick because Robert Blake had a ton of money and he was really stable
01:06:53
and he was actually interested in her and like into her. Christian Brando was young and good
01:06:59
looking and, you know, kind of like the, you know, she was just trying to decide like who she was
01:07:05
going to start a life with. So she picks Robert Blake, but then when she tells him, so I'm pregnant
01:07:10
and blah, blah, blah, he's just like, you lied to me. And he, he turns on her. Robert Blake does?
01:07:16
Yeah. He's super mean. They have. So it also turns out later on when this when this trial starts, she recorded almost every single phone call she ever had.
01:07:27
Shut up. So they like when when this case started. I vaguely remember this. Yeah.
01:07:35
They had they have phone calls of theirs. They have phone calls of other people.
01:07:38
She had like she just recorded all phone calls. Weird. So they could go through all of them.
01:07:44
And that's when they start to find out her very checkered past. Okay. Like the actual proof of it.
01:07:51
But basically she, she thinks she's going to do this kind of like, well, I'm pregnant.
01:07:56
And so let's hook up. And I finally made my decision of my two boyfriends in my Hollywood life.
01:08:02
And Robert Blake is like, no fucking way. And it's so mean and like demanding she get an abortion,
01:08:09
telling her he's going to make her get an abortion, like all this stuff that she actually ends up writing a letter to her.
01:08:14
her lawyer saying, if anything happens to me, Robert Blake is responsible for my death.
01:08:19
Oh, my God. So she ends up going back to Arkansas or Memphis. I think it was Memphis.
01:08:27
And she has the baby. It's this beautiful little girl. I mean, we've all seen when the case came up, you saw a million pictures of her.
01:08:35
Her name's Rose. And she is so cute. She looks like she's wearing like a little black hat of hair.
01:08:41
And she's got like bright red lips. And the second that Robert Blake saw the picture of her, he called Bonnie Blake Bakley and said, get a paternity test because that's my baby.
01:08:53
And they did. And it proved that it was his baby. So he knew. He knew. It looks exactly like him.
01:09:00
Okay. And especially when you see those like our gang clips or whatever. It's she's looks just like him and she's really cute.
01:09:07
Okay. So he's basically says to Bonnie, move back to L.A., make a life with me. Like, I love that baby.
01:09:15
That's my baby. Let's make this work. And so she gets on a plane, even though she knows she's breaking her parole or violating her parole.
01:09:24
She gets back on a plane to L.A. to make this happen. Once she's in L.A., Robert Blake is like, give the baby to the nanny for the day.
01:09:34
Let's go out to lunch. And when they're out to lunch, two cops walk up and go, you're in violation of your parole in Arkansas.
01:09:41
You're under arrest. Stop it. And take her away. Robert Blake's like, don't worry about it.
01:09:46
I'll take care of the baby. We've got it covered. Those two cops bring her. They don't arrest her.
01:09:51
They bring her to the airport and put her on a plane. No. Back to Arkansas. They tricked her?
01:09:56
Yeah, they tricked her. So it turned out those two guys weren't cops. No. They were two friends of Robert Blake's.
01:10:02
No. And the entire time it was his plan to get custody of that little girl. Oh, my God.
01:10:09
So basically, he's got the baby. his grown daughter is like keeping the baby at her house and he just basically sent her back and
01:10:20
was like holy shit trying to get rid of her so she uh realizes the whole thing was a scam she's
01:10:27
furious she threatens to file kidnapping charges against him yeah so they start to work on a deal
01:10:33
because she's like i will i will like throw the book at you yeah and the deal is she agrees to
01:10:40
drop the charges if he'll marry her. Shut up. That's the most romantic thing I've ever heard in my life.
01:10:47
This is... Remember the story you told about the guy writing the girl's name on the thing?
01:10:52
This is better. Sending it to a planet. Can you imagine if a man... So how'd you guys meet?
01:10:58
What if you're like, so how'd you and Vince meet? Well, I tricked him. I threatened him with kidnapping charges.
01:11:04
He retaliated, of course, and then I made him sign a piece of paper that said...
01:11:09
But in the end, you were meant to be. He didn't love me. And I'm never alone with him because I'm scared of him.
01:11:16
What the fuck? So crazy. So in this prenup, basically it was like she was allowed to see the baby once a month and to see Robert Blake once a month.
01:11:25
That's the agreement. It was the exchange. He will marry you if you sign this prenup.
01:11:30
But what does she get out of it then? If she doesn't even get to be with her baby?
01:11:32
She didn't care about her baby. Well, she does, but there's nothing she can do because she was in violation of parole.
01:11:38
Okay. And they've already kind of got that. So it's the kind of the only thing, only way she can see the baby still be in a life and still get the thing.
01:11:47
She ultimately has always wanted, which is to be married to a celebrity. Oh man.
01:11:51
That feels, I'm going to move out of LA right now. It's this town is bad feelings.
01:11:56
Wall to wall. Galore. Good night. I mean, Anyone who comes here has bad intentions.
01:12:02
Or is going to have a bad time. Right. Or better get bad intentions or you're going to get screwed.
01:12:09
Screw before you get screwed. That's for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Just real good feeling place.
01:12:14
It's the reason that people come here, try to do something, and then they're like, oh, no, you know what?
01:12:20
I'm now an evangelical Christian. Yeah. Because I've seen. Or a Scientologist. or I'm going to be so vegan that I try to kill you.
01:12:31
Like it's people just have to, they have to reassess their entire life. They like need a thing to focus on.
01:12:36
Otherwise they'll focus on the horrible, how they're nothing or they'll buy themselves a billboard.
01:12:42
Like it's this kind of town where you feel like you're so nothing for so long that you're like,
01:12:47
I'm just going to buy a billboard. It's the only way I can break through. It's just, it's a nightmare.
01:12:53
So anyway, I like it here though. I mean, no, I love it. I'm pretty happy. Okay.
01:12:56
It's really gorgeous. We're having a great time. And guys, we get to do a show at the Orpheum in two days.
01:13:01
Oh, my God. That's amazing. She signs this prenup that basically gives her almost nothing.
01:13:09
They marry in November of 2000. I wish I could have been at that fucking ceremony.
01:13:13
I bet there was rose petals and love galore. Everywhere. Just like scattered. You just used the word galore.
01:13:23
and I think I might never stop using the word galore. It's so fun to say. It's of that time.
01:13:30
It feels of this era. Yes. And I mean, like, you know, it's 2000, but like this fucking thing.
01:13:36
Yeah. Six months later, when her probation ends in Arkansas, she officially moves to L.A.
01:13:41
She moves into the guest house on his property, not into his house, her husband's house.
01:13:48
She moves into the guest house and they never share the same house. They only ever set it up like that.
01:13:55
So it's not a real. Yeah, I don't get it. It's very strange. So then this all leads up.
01:14:00
Now we are up to May 4th of 2001. When Robert Blake asks Bonnie if she would like to go out to dinner.
01:14:08
Do they ever go like on dates or anything like that? Do we know? It doesn't sound like it.
01:14:14
No. It sounds like a real bummer, man. It sounds like the most toxic relationship and the most codependent bad intentions from every direction.
01:14:25
Also, it's that thing of like, if you get together with a guy, and then the only way you can see staying in his life is tricking him into thinking he's fathered your child.
01:14:37
I'd go back to square. Go back to that jazz bar and pick somebody else. Or start, you know what, go back even further.
01:14:43
Start it. Go to therapy. Yeah. Start there. ask some questions so then when you get to the jazz bar you pick a you know good kind person
01:14:51
yeah you maybe drop some of that whatever happened to you in junior high um drop drop some of that
01:14:59
my first marriage was when i was 15 see see if you can start anew yeah none of this is going
01:15:04
is helping anybody uh or constructive in any way so they go to dinner he says i want to take you to
01:15:11
cartelos she's like hell yes yeah i love fucking dusty great fake grapes i love red sauce i love
01:15:19
melted mozzarella on on you know pottery box chianti favorite uh what's that wine the one
01:15:28
that's so funny chablis oh vin rose that's my grandma used to order oh my god i'll have a vin
01:15:36
Rose. She had a weird New York accent because she was from San Francisco. Okay, so they
01:15:44
go to dinner. I just had a recovered memory. There used to be a stand-up show at Vitello's.
01:15:52
Yeah, this was like the late 90s. Those are the kind of things I would be like, sure, I'll do that show. And I would show up
01:15:58
and I'd be like, I'm not doing this. I'm going to drink in the corner. You can have the opera guy
01:16:04
take my set. No. Okay. So Robert Blake tells Bonnie that he's brought his nine millimeter pistol with him to dinner
01:16:13
because of all the unscrupulous business that she's involved in and for her safety.
01:16:18
I'm sure she's like, sounds great. I'll have the breadsticks. Yeah. And she ordered the breadsticks.
01:16:25
Just breadsticks. Sounds fucking great. You know, when you're trying to be ladylike on a date, you're on a diet.
01:16:31
I'll just get seven breadsticks. Can I just have the breadsticks? In a pitcher of iced tea.
01:16:39
God, I love Vitello's. So they leave the restaurant at 924. And between 924 and 940, Bonnie Lee Bakley is shot in Robert Blake's car in the parking lot of Vitello's.
01:16:58
he she is he so he they get into the car and then he goes sorry i left my gun in the restaurant i'll
01:17:06
be right back and goes back into the restaurant um to get his gun that he says he left in the
01:17:12
booth right there are no witnesses from the restaurant that say he went back into the
01:17:16
restaurant no one saw him go in and get his gun but while he he claims and his alibi is that when
01:17:22
he while she was getting shot outside he was inside getting his gun but nobody saw him no one
01:17:27
saw him but it's the perfect alibi because it's like well i was inside with my gun just say you
01:17:32
went inside to pee like why did he have to introduce the gun part i guess to cover the
01:17:37
fact that that's where his gun was like make it real clear that oh he didn't even have his gun on
01:17:42
him yeah the gun wasn't anywhere but in the restaurant why didn't he actually do that and
01:17:47
and wave at everyone with the gun hi guys so they all said they saw him waving with the gun you know
01:17:52
what i mean yeah i don know listen i a master fucking criminal criminal and i mean i mean would that have helped be like hey guys you know thanks again Bye Oh shit My wife just got shot This one for the opera singer Chew into the ceiling
01:18:07
I'm sorry. I'm making light of this. No, no, no. I mean, what we're making light of is the plan.
01:18:12
The whole, what we're making light of is life and how fucking stupid it is. And also how Hollywood
01:18:17
makes you think you can do things you shouldn't and can't do. But if fucking money and acquittal, the TV show,
01:18:27
Rich and acquitted, has shown us anything, it's true. It is true. It's true. It's why people want it so badly is because it gets you to a place.
01:18:34
I was right, rich and acquitted. It gets you to a place where you are untouchable.
01:18:39
And that's what everybody wants. That's real power. So I want to be touchable. Oh, do you?
01:18:45
I don't want to be untouchable. I think you're silky soft and totally touchable.
01:18:49
Thank you. Baby soft. Thank you. So at 940, Robert Blake rings the doorbell of a neighbor of Vitello's.
01:18:59
Why? Because he went there to call 911 to the neighbors. Screaming, going fucking berserk.
01:19:07
God. And the neighbor, it's a guy named Sean Stanek. It's his house. He goes there to his house to call 911.
01:19:15
in one when he leaves and the cops go to like go to the crime scene he he call he waits a little
01:19:21
while then he calls police again and he asks them to come and and look through his house because he
01:19:27
he thinks robert blake might have hid something there while he was there he says his behavior
01:19:31
was so strange and over the top and bizarre and he was screaming and being super crazy
01:19:37
about my wife my life whatever that he was like i don't i just want you guys to come and look i
01:19:43
feel like he did something and I didn't catch it, which I think is amazing and such a cool
01:19:48
move where it's like, could I just invite you guys back real quick? He didn't even try to look for it himself.
01:19:53
He was just like, something's fucking off and I am not putting my fingerprints on it.
01:19:57
No, get the authorities in here. Absolutely. ASAP. Well done, Sean Stanek. So, uh, and other neighbors in the neighborhood were like, yeah, he was just running around
01:20:06
screaming and like, and like just so clearly presented like I'm freaking out. but a little vaudevillian and over the top.
01:20:14
Play it to the back. What do you guys think? Yeah, exactly. Play it in the back row.
01:20:18
So police are like, well, this is strange because, again, no witnesses actually saw him go into Vitello's the second time.
01:20:29
And he also, Bonnie had a cell phone and was always on her cell phone. She was like, as we know, for her recorded messages obsession,
01:20:39
she was a big phone person always had her phone on her he could have taken her phone and called 9-1-1
01:20:45
right there at the car and he didn't do it okay he also he was taken in for questioning after like
01:20:53
they all left the scene so bonnie uh was shot twice in the car she was in the car she was sitting in
01:20:59
the car in the passenger seat shot through the window um blood all in the car she was taken the
01:21:05
ambulance came and she was taken to the hospital but she died uh at the hospital um robert blake
01:21:12
was taken in for questioning by the detectives never asked how she was no so they were like yeah
01:21:19
the couple of these things aren't adding up in a big way they do the gun residue on his hands test
01:21:25
inconclusive they end up which is a super brilliant idea and like you know for 2000s pretty advanced
01:21:34
there's a dumpster that the car is parked right next to and instead of going through the dumpster
01:21:40
there they just take the entire dumpster back to like the forensics lab or whatever and go through
01:21:46
every piece of garbage piece by piece so smart to find yeah to find anything and they end up finding
01:21:52
this uh it's a nine millimeter it's a very rare world war ii german officer's gun that's a p38
01:22:01
eight, nine millimeter pistol. No idea. But when they find it, it's covered in motor oil.
01:22:06
So they can't get any fingerprints off of it or even do any ballistics on it. It's just completely ruined.
01:22:14
They think intentionally. Yeah. I wonder if that was a fucking plot line in an episode of Beretta.
01:22:20
They should have fucking looked that up, man. That's a fucking genius idea. Can you, is double jeopardy still a thing?
01:22:27
Bring him back. Bring him on back. That is such a good idea. I wonder if anybody looked up all the episodes of Barretta and just been like, this person did this, this person, this was the plan.
01:22:37
Sure. Okay. The next day, he lawyers up immediately, of course. And the next day is when the lawyer starts releasing the phone call tapes of Bonnie, starts trashing her.
01:22:53
Like he had a whole basically kind of like a media thing ready. But it has nothing to do with it.
01:22:59
Well, it's it's what it is, is like they were trying to build the case that that she had enemies all across the nation that she had she had conned men all over the place.
01:23:09
And there were lots of people that that were her enemy, not just Robert Blake. So as bad and contentious and horrible and loveless and nightmarish as this marriage was that she had just entered into, she still he wasn't perhaps wasn't the only suspect that should have been looked at.
01:23:27
Right, right, right. OK. Um, uh, she, and they find out that they start, like when they start listening to these phone
01:23:35
calls, they start finding these old men all around the country that they, they thought
01:23:41
she was his, that they thought she was their wife. No, they, um, they thought they were married.
01:23:49
They, but she was married to lots of people. She got married a lot and she would take out life insurance policies on them And she also had them change their will to include her in yeah that happened that was a couple of them now this also this was in rich and acquitted but uh
01:24:06
this also was all the information that the lawyers just like anybody to listen to it they'll tell
01:24:11
that story um one person theorized that she had been married over 25 times but the provable amount
01:24:19
she was married nine times for sure oh my god yeah um okay so uh so at some point like in the
01:24:28
in this process robert blake fires that uh initial lawyer and he hires thomas mesero you've seen him
01:24:36
on tons of true crime things he has strange like uh little dutch boy hair uh but gray okay it makes
01:24:45
very little sense and he's the guy that defended mike tyson and michael jackson so you've seen him
01:24:51
on the news okay sure sure yeah yeah um and and so it he hires that guy then he hires media
01:24:57
consultants um to start the story spin and they get him on barbara walters so from jail in his
01:25:04
orange jumpsuit with his hair now turned white he isn't dying his hair black anymore like he had
01:25:09
up until that time that that was like a big thing right and they say he did it for sympathy or
01:25:15
whatever but from jail she's like did you kill your wife and he's like no of course i didn't he's
01:25:21
like as if he's irritated with barbara over overdoing it a little for even if there's a yeah
01:25:26
he's there's a touch of lily gilding but we can't tell if that's just how he is yeah because he's a
01:25:32
child actor he's never had a normal life yeah like you just don't you just don't know um he ends up
01:25:39
eventually he ends up going free on a million dollars bail a million dollars rich rich acquitted
01:25:47
rich and bailed so is that their theme song rich rich rich and acquitted okay so then the trial starts on december 20th 2004 at good old fucking ventura courthouse i
01:26:05
I mean, sorry, Van Nuys Courthouse. Fuck yeah. That's how it all ties back in. Love it.
01:26:11
Now, now that I'm thinking, I know the pre-trial was at the Van Nuys Courthouse.
01:26:15
I don't know if the actual trial. Who cares? Let's go with it. So there's two different stuntmen who come testify that Robert Blake solicited them to kill his wife months before the actual murder.
01:26:29
One of them, they can prove he talked to on the phone the morning of the murder.
01:26:35
But in cross-examination, he gets this. Mesereau ends up resigning from the case, whatever that's called, leaving it.
01:26:45
Quitting. Quitting, I guess. Quitting is the word I was looking for. You're welcome.
01:26:52
He leaves. Blake gets a third lawyer. Always a bad sign when you have to keep fucking getting it.
01:26:59
Look at Ted Bundy, for example. It's not good. You're not an agreeable individual.
01:27:04
They hate you. yeah they hate your guts they can't even like they're lawyers and they can't even fucking deal
01:27:08
with they can't deal and they don't have to be around you that much and they're just like what
01:27:11
the fuck is wrong yeah just do what i tell you and everything will be fine no no no no i'm a
01:27:16
rock and roll actor i'm smart yeah okay so the new uh lawyer is basically just like whoa i'm just
01:27:23
gonna eviscerate any of these witnesses who even because there's so little evidence that they have
01:27:28
to like so the two stunt men that come and say oh yeah he asked us to kill his wife
01:27:33
one of them they pull up a report that he had recently been hospitalized for cocaine psychosis
01:27:40
oh no what's that it's just like you do so much cocaine you fucking lose your mind how much cocaine
01:27:46
i mean i'd say a night's worth maybe two nights worth all right interesting it's like you just
01:27:53
you started and you don't stop oh my god and then you just fucking go berserk your mind okay so that
01:27:58
comes out on one guy so then he just like his all of his credibility is done and they basically do
01:28:02
the same thing to the second guy they're just like oh you're both you're both these drug addicts
01:28:06
you're both these you know whoever you'd say anything for money you'd say anything sure so
01:28:11
basically once they get rid of those two people there's no real evidence that they that's that's
01:28:18
usable in court so the jury deliberates for 12 days on march 16 days 2005 uh robert blake was
01:28:26
found not guilty of murder and not guilty of one of the two counts of solicitation of murder not
01:28:32
guilty not even like not guilty yeah sorry going not guilty no that's fine um the the other count
01:28:40
of solicitation of the of the guy the cocaine psychosis guy um that was dropped when it was
01:28:48
revealed that the jury was deadlocked 11 to 1 in favor of acquittal so they were going to go for it
01:28:52
anyway yeah and they're just basically like forget that one and he's just going free because that one
01:28:58
off the whiteboard yeah they're just like oh you're rich you're acquitted the los angeles this is from
01:29:02
okipedia los angeles los angeles district attorney stephen cooley called blake quote a miserable
01:29:09
human being and the jurors are quote incredibly stupid to fall for the defense's claims there's
01:29:17
one woman in this special rich and acquitted where she goes of course i believe that mr blake
01:29:23
would left his gun inside a restaurant haven't we all left things inside restaurants at one time or
01:29:29
another it's just like lady it's a fucking gun oh my it's not your lipstick it's not your
01:29:36
fucking retainer that you put in the cloth napkin oh cost your parents three hundred dollars they
01:29:41
were so pissed in Mimi's cafe in Irvine. So basically the public consensus was that he hired somebody to kill his wife
01:29:50
and it's just unprovable. Right. But a lot of, there were lots of character witnesses that were like no he the best And he would never do that And of course there was no evidence So OK go on On the night of his acquittal several fans celebrated at Vitello
01:30:10
And Karen Kilgariff was one of them. And I was up there singing opera just like this on November 18th, 2005.
01:30:19
It's not what? Yes, it is. That was Verity. I love opera. Everything straight out your nose in opera.
01:30:30
This is the Barber of Seville. But if you're singing about opera, it's opera. You don't have to sing opera.
01:30:35
That's right. This is a musical about singing opera. There's no actual opera in it.
01:30:40
I'm out here and I'm wearing a Viking hat. A Viking hat. Guys, on November 18, 2005, Robert Blake was found liable in a California civil court
01:30:54
for her wrongful death. Civil court will always fucking come at you. They'll come
01:30:58
back and they'll be like, hey, we see things a little bit different. We forgot to talk about
01:31:02
the fucking OJ Simpson. No, we'll talk about next time. Go on. Okay. So sorry. No, no, that's fine.
01:31:10
So since that time he had to file for bankruptcy, he's in $3 million in debt, unpaid
01:31:16
legal fees, as well as state and federal taxes. He said that he might return to acting because
01:31:24
he has such financial problems now. He's like, we're good, bro. Yeah, we're like, we got it covered, Beretta.
01:31:31
We're going to hire the parrot instead. In 2010, the state of California filed a tax lien against
01:31:38
Blake for $1,110,000 in unpaid back taxes. Ouch. It hurts. Now, this is a very famous
01:31:51
interview. he was on he went on july 16th 2012 he went on pierce morgan and he's wearing a sleeveless
01:31:59
cowboy shirt and a cow black cowboy shirt and then a cowboy hat no no don't and he is
01:32:05
gax so crazy you have to look it up on youtube it's an experience to have and he just starts
01:32:11
attacking pierce morgan for asking him any questions at all and pierce morgan's like yeah
01:32:16
but this is what we came here for is like the interview. And he snaps and is super fucking crazy.
01:32:22
I want to watch it. You have to watch it. It's, it's a, it's pretty legendary. He told the people that were writing his autobiography that he hoped for one last great film role.
01:32:35
But the, but, um, he was in lost highway, the, uh, David Lynch movie in 1997. And that to date is his last acting role.
01:32:45
Whoa. In a March 2016, this is the, this is one of the saddest endings, not saddest, but like one of the most like, oh, endings of any of the murders that I've done.
01:32:56
In 2016, March 2016, he told a reporter that he had a private nurse and that he was suffering, suffering from incontinence.
01:33:06
And that my friend is the, is this sad ending of the murder of Bonnie Lee Bakley.
01:33:12
Oh my God. And the rich, acquitted experience of actor Robert Blake. That's right.
01:33:21
Now he's 85. He's still alive. He's still alive. I think he remarried for a third time.
01:33:28
Someone married him again? Of course. It's the fucking, this is a town full of people who want their own billboard.
01:33:34
Jesus. They'll do anything. Also, how can he get to be 85? But fucking Stephen Hawking is what?
01:33:40
Was he like 73? Look. Such bullshit. I wish I could explain God's work. I wish you could too.
01:33:48
It's a mystery. This is just how he does it. Next time we have to talk about the OJ if I did it, that they finally.
01:33:56
Oh, thank you. That was amazing. That was so good. You're welcome. Thank you. That was so.
01:34:02
I don't want to call it fun, but it was a wild ride. You know who he's always reminded me of is the dude, the dad from the staircase.
01:34:10
case. Like just creepy in that way. Yes. Whatever. There's definitely an energy about him that you're,
01:34:18
but, but you can't tell actors are so creepy. So creepy that it's like, it's the, yeah.
01:34:24
It's like, who are, is this really the real you or is there another real you? Are you acting or you do never know how to not be acting? Right. And you just think feelings
01:34:33
are weird masks to put on so you can manipulate people. Right. Like instead of actually having a
01:34:39
real-time experience it's like here's how feelings look like and sound like oh italy i love this
01:34:44
place my gun ah a boot and don's everybody pizza for one type of shit ringtone immediately steven turn that into a fucking ringtone how great was that i was laughing
01:35:00
out loud at the opera musical riff the the opera musical that doesn't have any opera in it
01:35:05
so that was my favorite karen story thank you so much for letting me share my love of mfm with you
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