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call in and say, Hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey, Jonas, and offered it
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of the Exactly Right Media podcast network. Long time, first time on the old My Favorite Murder feed.
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I'm this week's guest host. I'm super honored to be doing this. I have been a friend and fan of
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Karen in Georgia for forever. You know, I remember seeing Karen back on like Mr. Show and everything
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back in the day and like getting to call her a colleague and friend and comedy big sister is
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something that I do not take for granted and I love every day. And yeah, this week, I'm going to
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share with you the two stories from the Live from Chicago podcast festival, episode 44,
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if you're into numbers back in the day. I was actually at this show because Lady to Lady was on this festival in a much smaller venue,
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but we were there. And I actually shot a video of Karen and Georgia. I was hanging out with them backstage of them walking on stage for the first time
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because I was like, oh, this will be super cute for them to have them just walking on stage
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the first live show. And then when the theme song started and they got this like Rolling Stones style response from the crowd, I just remember my arms completely being covered with goosebumps.
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And I was like, oh, this is about to be a thing. And no big deal. But I was right.
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And yeah, I'm so proud of them. Not that they need me to be proud of them, but like I am.
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And they're just they're so awesome. And I love this episode because this is like the very beginning and you can hear the surprise in their voice of just like, whoa, I didn't realize this was going to be a thing.
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So let me kick into the theme song that you guys know and love so well. okay guys up first we've got georgia hardstark uh her first story uh live in front of an audience
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ever uh was the fort worth missing trio and i'm so impressed by the fact that georgia's
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doesn't come from a huge live performing background and she crushes this out of the
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gate it's so cool just to hear her just settle into just being a performer that's as somebody
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that has been performing for over a decade i'm just like man she just nailed it out of the gate
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so enjoy george's story um should we talk about murder yeah yeah yeah you guys like it's pretty who's a murderino like for real
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I mean, that's called pandering. Now we're pandering. I don't think it's our thing, though.
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I'm sitting on it with my butt. Are you going to go first? I think I'm first this time.
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Oh, so I'm going to put my hands in my pockets and put my microphone over here. Would you mind putting your hands in your pocket, Karen?
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As I tell you, I swore I was going to belch and it's about to happen. She's going to do some Robert Durst belches for us.
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Oh, that was a good one. Did you? Was that really? Yeah, that was me. That sounded like a fucking horse.
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I swear to God. I thought you were like doing a joke burp sound. I'm a lady. That was unbelievable.
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I had a soda pop. If they want to pay us, I'll just say which one it is. Shit, girl.
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Otherwise, we don't do branding. Otherwise, Dr. Pepper. Okay. Okay. Ready? Yes. Are you ready?
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Now I'm just, now that's too much pressure. All right. Okay, so December 23rd, super near Christmas in 1974.
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A great year for collars and cords. There you go. Bring us back, Karen, to a time.
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1974, where the air was filled with lead pollution. So, okay, so three ladies. Renee Wilson, she's 14.
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Rachel Trelika, who's 17. And Julie Ann Mosley who nine go on a shopping trip for Christmas presents Can be good Nope No they were fine Let talk about Ted Bundy Anyway Vlad the
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Impaler. So these three girls, they go to a upscale mall, the Seminary South Shopping Center. This
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girl knows it. I hear someone fucking whispering in Fort Worth, Texas. Oh, oh, me, Ben.
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I just thought I should make a noise like that. Okay, they're supposed to be home by 4 p.m.
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Guess what, Karen? Didn't show up. They didn't show up. They didn't show up. So Renee and Rachel, the older girls, were old friends.
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Renee asked Rachel to come with her shopping. And then Renee's boyfriend was going to come,
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but he went to a friend's house, so his little sister, Julie, begs to come. So they bring her boyfriend's little sister along.
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so it's the three of them. They get to the mall Rachel parks her car at the top of the fucking
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car park Oldsmobile and they go shopping. People see them because and this needs to be our new shirt
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she's wearing a shirt that says Sweet Honesty. What? That's 1974 for you. What the fuck?
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What stoner put that thing together and you know it was like crazy cursive with the Y
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on the honesty did like three loop-de-loos. Glitter all around it. Just on the tits.
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No bra. Didn't have to. 70s tits. That's a thing. They were real low. So a ton of people see them at the mall
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because people see her shirt, whatever the fuck. And then that evening, families get worried as they do they go out looking for the girl and they find her car where
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she parked it on the roof of the small area and in the car the car is locked and inside are the
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presents so at some point they went to the car put the presents in there lock the car and then what
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right yes i don't know you have to tell me so they're freaking out the next day a letter comes
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in the mail and it goes to Rachel's husband's house. Now, Rachel, who was 17 and married.
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What? What? Yeah. Wait, is that sweet honesty? That's the other one even. Okay. A 14 year old
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is wearing a sweet honesty shirt. Fuck. Don't let your babies grow up to be sweet honesty.
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For real. Uh, she's married to this dude. All right. Her, this dude, her husband was dating
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her older sister beforehand. Look, it happens. Yes. Guilty. They break up. Her little sister and her boyfriend get married.
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And then the sister's living with them at the time. What? No. Like, we all know where this is.
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Like, we know. Wait, are you just talking out an episode of Game of Thrones and saying it happened in Fort Worth?
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Never seen it. No, this is Dallas. I'm talking about Dallas. Yeah. Right? Okay. But no.
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Letter comes in the mail. Why is he checking his fucking mail the day after his wife gets fucking kidnapped?
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You think he should have avoided that mailbox? I mean, why are you checking it? He loves mail.
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It's the only thing that made him feel better. Fucking catalogs and postcards. Fair enough.
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Well, he goes to his mailbox and he finds a letter from her, supposedly, from Rachel,
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says, I know I'm going to catch it, which is like the cutest phrase I've ever heard in my life.
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Like catch some shit? I know I'm going to catch it. I know I'm going to catch it.
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I know I'm going to catch it. But we just had to get away. We're going to Houston. See you in about a week. The cars in Sears
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upper lot. Love, Rachel. Right? I know. So like he gets that letter. Her name is kind of misspelled. His name is... Seriously.
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Her first name is misspelled. Yeah, a little bit misspelled. Look, I've done that so many times.
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It's like, K-A-S-B-O-K. I want to make fun of that, but recently my manager emailed me.
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He was like, hey, your name's spelled wrong and you're real. And I was like, what are you talking about?
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And I looked at it and it said G-E-O-R-I-G-A. I fucking spelled my own goddamn name wrong.
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That was like, Giorga. joy. It's been like three years and I didn't notice it. So fair enough.
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Once you change it, you're going to get so many jobs. People have been like, I want to hire her for the million dollar thing.
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I can't find her. Her name's spelled wrong. There goes a million dollars. So it does happen.
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This isn't crazy. It happens. Let's be fair. Okay. So her husband was married to the people.
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So family thinks that the letter, they're like, that's not her handwriting. And she spelled her fucking name wrong.
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And in addition, to back that up. So the stamp had been stamped, you know, like cleared at the thing.
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At the post office. That morning. So someone sent that thing the night before or on the 24th of when it showed up.
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which I'm like, if you just kidnap three people randomly, you're not going to bother to let the family know.
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No, you kidnap and you get straight to that correspondence. Yeah, that's to throw people off.
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That's not like a serial killer who's grabbing three people and doesn't give a shit, right?
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No that like an anal retentive serial killer That like a leave us alone for a minute right Serial killer You mean can I have some privacy while I write my letters Can I have some privacy while I To sit at my secretary desk
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and just write out with a feather pen? Like right after I kidnapped them though, you know what I
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mean? It's weird. I get it. All right, so people saw them that day because clearly she had a sweet
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honesty shirt on and like, how are you going to miss that one? A woman tells a store clerk that
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she saw some men hustle the girls into a pickup truck, but police never located that witness.
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Another says that the girls had been spotted in a security patrol car. Um, so in 1981,
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which was what, let's do math, which is like so many years later, six, six years later, seven,
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seven years later, a man randomly comes around and he's like, hey, I saw a girl,
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I saw a man forcing them into a van that day. You fucking dick. Where were you? Where were you?
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Oh, in 81, I just like popped into my head that these fucking girls were being forced into a van.
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He had so much stuff on his mind. Christmas. There was tons of littering back then.
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But the guy in the van told him, he goes, hey, it's a family dispute. Don't worry about it.
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And that's why he never told it. until he was, until 81. Yeah. I mean, like, can you, I can't even.
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Well, because, you know, it was like back then, if your family was fighting about something,
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you could throw them in a van forcibly at the mall. True. It was done. How many people out here have like seen that
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and just never told anyone about it? That was a family dispute. Okay. Anything. I will call the police just if I see a van.
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I don't give a fuck. I don't care. I'd be like, it's clearly a bread truck. I don't care.
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Call 911. Karen does citizen's arrests all over town. All the time. I'm exhausted.
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I won't even believe her now. Her brother says, Rachel's brother says that there's been sightings all over the Fort Worth area.
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You know, it's one of those like, they were white slaves. Like people keep saying that.
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Some of the sightings were, what happened? Someone doesn't like that. It doesn't matter.
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Oh shit. Someone's mad about something we said. Okay, so these fucking chicks are never found.
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So wait, sorry, now we're in the 80s? We're that far ahead? No. 79 that happened.
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I said the 80s is like a thing. Sorry, sorry, sorry. It just seems, I'm not questioning you.
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I guess you are. It's our first fight here in Chicago. It's the place to do it. Okay, so they were never found.
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Spoiler alert, I'm sorry, that sucks. It blows. But there's two suspects that I find very interesting.
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So Mike D. Bardellenben. Read that. Read that. Hold on, let me get my readers. Mike D. Bardellenben.
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What did I say? It really is what it says. That wasn't just you kind of having fun?
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That was a copy and paste. No, no, no. That was a copy and paste. So this dude gets arrested for passing counterfeit bills,
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and then the cops found evidence of sex crimes, including him taking photos of him raping and murdering humans.
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Oh, you didn't know? That's what the whole fucking podcast is about. Someone's like, wait, what?
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I thought you were going to talk out the story of the Wizard of Oz. No, it's all this bad.
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The FBI profilers think that when the face is seen in the photo, he kills them. When the face isn't seen, he allows them to live.
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And you're like, come on, you fucking dick. Okay, so here's the tie-in, is that he's a convicted kidnapper,
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rapist, counterfeiter, and suspected serial killer, was the habit of passing counterfeit bills in shopping malls.
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He was operating around Texas around that time and was known to impersonate security guards
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and other positions of authority. Remember that chick was like, I saw security guard driving them in his van.
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Right? Because like who, what girl back then isn't going to like go with, oh my God, I'm a bell
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chicken. Go with the security guard. Do it into the microphone next time. We accept you.
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My mom is here. Oh, that's right. Sorry. This is what you raised. Yeah. I mean, okay.
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So a guy comes over and he's like, did you see that? Yeah, it was awesome. That's good podcasting right there.
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That's the kind of shit you can't see when you're listening. She's like the David Blaine of paper.
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Okay, so back then, guys, I saw you shoplifting. I'm a security guard. And you're like, no, I didn't.
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And he's like, come with me. And he makes him, I'll come with him. You go. It's like he has a blue shirt on with a belt.
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And then you're like, oh, I guess you're in charge. I guess I have to fucking do whatever you say.
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There's no stranger danger. there's don't fucking talk back to authority. That's what that was back then.
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Yes. So you just get in the car. Goodbye. Sweet honesty. Sweet honesty. She didn't
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understand. It's actually you should sweet kick him in the dick. That's what her shorts would have said.
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You guys pepper spray first and fucking apologize later. Right? These days George's favorite
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thing to say is should I pepper spray that guy. It's my, it makes me laugh so hard. I can't remember where we were, but you were just like, do I need to pepper spray this,
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guys? Please don't. Not right now. Why not? Just spray it around like room freshener in your mouth.
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What is it called Banaca Uh Let do this Okay So he known to impersonate security guards not serial killers and other positions of authority He lived within a half mile of Rachel one of the girls who disappeared at the time of
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the disappearance. And then I wrote, fucked up, he earned the respect of the FBI profilers because he never
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gave himself away in unguarded moments, nor bragged about his exploits. So the fucking FBI was like, good on him, that he never told anyone?
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Well, it was like a healthy respect for the enemy. Because usually they brag. I don't respect them for not getting it out of this dude.
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If their fucking killer is smarter, are we going to... Should I not talk shit about the FBI?
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It's a sensitive time. Do it, someone yells. You fucking do it! Listen, love those guys.
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I'm just saying this dude was a serial killer. We're going to do a show at the FBI at Quantico next month.
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The murder of our government. You guys! Okay, the other dude, who I think is just the fucking dude, Lloyd Welch.
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He's a drifter and a hitchhiker. Lord? Lloyd. Oh, sorry. That would be cool, though.
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He's like a lord. Lord Welch. But in Texas. Lord of the bad manners. Because he...
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The bad manners. That's what gets cut out, usually. Okay. Okay, he's recently been charged around that,
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oh, so recently around now, he's been charged with the murder of the Lion Sisters.
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There's two girls, you're shaking your head, I can see it. Catherine, who is 10, and Sheila, who is 12,
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disappears from a Maryland mall in 1975. Okay, his exact same M.O. M.O. At the time of his arrest,
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at the time of his arrest, he's serving a lengthy prison sentence in Delaware for child sexual abuse.
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So he's a real fun guy. like a prize mom is proud so in December 2014 here's another fucking asshole
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Welch's cousin tells detectives that he had helped Welch so that they never found the Lion Sisters
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they were like these girls got kidnapped from a mall, never found them in 2014 Welch's cousin is like
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well one time I helped him with two heavy duffel bags in 1975 dude it gets worse
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They met at a property in Virginia. He said he helped to remove two army-style duffel bags from Welch's vehicle.
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Each bag weighed about 60 or 70 pounds and smelled like death. What the fuck? It was probably camping equipment.
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It gets musty. You know how when your cousins ask you to help you burn or bury something,
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and you're like, I'm just not asking questions. I mean, look, we're all cousins.
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We have to be at Thanksgiving together. Just be chill. It would be so awkward if I'm like, what's in these?
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And you're like, I don't want to tell you. Come on, don't unzip that. It's my murder duffel.
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He tells in 2014. And then, oh, and he said further, the bags were covered in red stains.
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It's probably Kool-Aid. Was he blind and deaf? And then in 2014, he came to all of that.
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Yeah, it all snapped back, miraculously. And, okay, so Lloyd Welch happens to be, he happens to work at the time.
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He was like a drifter, but he worked for a traveling carnival company. Guess where they set up all the time in the 70s?
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Inside a duffel bag? No. Wait. In malls. And he was in Austin, Texas until around 75.
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these carnivals set up in malls from the mid 70s to 97. I'm just trying to picture a mall carnival
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and it's like bumming me out so bad. You know how your parents always were like those rides are going to kill you.
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They also didn't say those ride people are going to kill you. Yes. Basically everything over there is going to kill you.
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Everything your mom like your parents told you to worry about and you were like you're being annoying.
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No they'll kill you. They're dead on. It's so annoying when your parents are right.
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So in July 2015, Welch is indicted, charged with the girl's murder. His uncle is a person of interest.
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Yeah. The duffel bag guy? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so here's another thing.
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So he's in malls, blah, blah, blah. His longtime girlfriend at the time dated for over 10 years.
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We're always on the road together, et cetera, et cetera. She was a security guard at a mall.
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Oh, like for the real deal? Yeah. Borrowed her outfit. What's up? Stole those kids.
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You know it. You know it, yes. Oh, and then in 2001, a former Sears security guard
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and Fort Worth police officer gives a chilling account. He says that he witnessed girls climb into a pickup truck
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of a young mall security guard and that they appeared to go with him willingly. Goodbye.
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Thank you. I mean, that's just fucked. Yeah. Never found. Never found. And the other two girls that were murdered, that was never prosecuted either.
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But do we know that the husband and sister weren't involved? The brother thinks that the sister was involved.
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I'd like to bring all of Texas up on charges for this story. No one's innocent in this, it seems like.
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I think we wouldn't be wrong. But also, so wait, the girlfriend was a real security guard,
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so they could have been borrowing badges and shit and stuff to make it look real.
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Totally. Or maybe she was complicit. Complicit. Maybe she was complicit and fucking was like, get in my car, girls.
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And they got in her car. You know? Yeah. All right, so don't go to the mall. Don't talk to security guards.
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Don't wear your sweet honesty shirt ever again. No sweet honesty anymore. Stop. it. Don't do it. Um, I have to say those cold cases drive me crazy. I know. I love them. I know.
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That's your favorite. There's just no, we should set up like a red phone on stage in case somebody
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finds out. It comes through ring through and be like Lloyd Welch. Oh my God. Oh good. You guys.
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And then, um, and then like the balloons drop and confetti comes down. And we all dance and dance.
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well good one that was a good one thank you clap for george's your husband is not who you think he is your body is not what you thought it was
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your identity is formed by a secret history i'm danny shapiro and these are just a few of the
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stunning stories i'll be exploring on the 14th season of family secrets and just then we felt the
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plane turn in the air, so much so that the bags that were under people's seats just kind of flew
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into the aisle. Each week, we dive headfirst into the complex power of secrecy, how it shapes our
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that was the last time I saw him. Listen to season 14 of Family Secrets on the iHeartRadio app,
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00:27:05
Hope you guys all enjoyed the Fort Worth Missing Trio story from Georgia Hardstark.
00:27:09
I don't know if there's any updates since this was recorded in 2016. If there are, somebody tag me and let me know if we have an answer or not.
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And the next story is Karen Kilgareff. And because this was Chicago, Karen knew to just like bring one of the Chicago greats is the opposite of the word that I mean to say.
00:27:31
But the word one of the Chicago worst to the stage. And so this is Karen doing the gruesome story of John Wayne Gacy.
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Enjoy. I hate this fucking stool. I'm sorry to say that about your stool. Stand and deliver.
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I'm going to stand and stare at you. Stand and deliver. Well, I did a very pandery thing, and I picked a Chicago murderer.
00:28:01
You think you're better than me? What's that? I said you think you're better than me?
00:28:04
That's right. But also because there were so many choices. a lot of people love they love to talk about how like pacific northwest oh you have so many
00:28:14
murders in san francisco hello chicago you guys want to kill everybody chicago just doesn't brag about it that's right they're just low-key yeah like yeah well they're
00:28:27
just like yeah let's go have a beer i don't need to talk about that how are you doing more
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importantly we don't need to talk about the torso murders how are you doing i've all killed no that's
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not here no that's cleveland anyway um there was a lot of choices uh to choose from and there was
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a lot of favorites but i actually had to go with this is my original the reason i got into reading
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serial killer books and watching true crime shows fucking john wayne gay and i know this because she accidentally told me in the hotel room it slipped out in the hotel room
00:29:06
what was the context of that? You were talking about how the hotel concierge was like, you had to print out your notes.
00:29:13
Oh, yeah. And she was like, if you like John Wayne Gacy, you'll love this tour. And then I was like, oh, fuck.
00:29:18
Yeah. That's all I said. There was nothing else revealed. So I don't know the deets.
00:29:22
Yeah. But I'm about to hear them. You're about to hear them. And you may have heard me say this before,
00:29:28
but the first thing I ever saw about John Wayne Gacy, because if you know, he buried the bodies of teenage boys that he murdered inside his house. And when the police
00:29:40
arrested him finally, and, uh, he, he was able to draw a diagram of his house and he knew where
00:29:48
every single boy was in the house. And there were 27 of them. I bet the FBI didn't respect him after
00:29:54
That right They were like oh look at Braggy Bragerstein over there Take it easy So I saw when I was like probably 12 I opened a book
00:30:10
Good age to see this shit. The perfect age for true crime. Opened a book, and they had drawn, based on the diagram that John Wayne Gacy had drawn,
00:30:20
they just used long rectangles to show where the bodies were and some artist had basically drawn
00:30:29
body shapes it almost looked like a chalk outline but like body shapes in a house diagram
00:30:34
I was like oh childhood and you know Joni loves Chachi and fucking this and that
00:30:42
and I look down at this thing and I'm like why are those boys floating in those boxes
00:30:47
and then I read underneath it and it's like uh you know 27 bodies were buried inside this house and I was just like
00:30:54
okay now I know that and now I must know more and I won't stop adding that to Charlotte's Web
00:31:04
and all the shit you already know that's right some pig um so let's talk about fucking good old John.
00:31:16
Also, the middle name Wayne is very common in serial killer world, which I think is kind of great
00:31:24
that he got in there. I don't know, but they named him John Wayne Gacy because his mom loved John Wayne
00:31:30
the actor. Red flag. Right? Not a good sign. No. That she loved film. So, John Wayne Gacy was born
00:31:42
on March 17th, St. Patrick's Day, 1942, at Edgewater Hospital in Chicago, Illinois.
00:31:49
Anyone, Edgewater? Anyone else? You guys work there? Were you also born there with him?
00:31:58
He was the second of three children. He had an older sister and a younger sister.
00:32:02
And his father was a machinist who had been in World War I, and he was a very bad alcoholic.
00:32:11
So the story was that his dad would come home from work and he would go down into the basement and drink brandy, which sounds classy.
00:32:23
But the mom would make dinner and then they would all sit at the dinner table and wait for him to come upstairs and see how he felt.
00:32:32
Well, I bet when he came up, he was real happy and everyone was like, we can finally talk about brandy.
00:32:38
Well, no. Oh, God. Instead, normally he would come up drunk and very angry, and he would beat them with a strap for dinner.
00:32:50
I'm good tonight. I'm a strap. I'm so full of strap from last night, Dad. You can give it to her, though, if you want.
00:32:59
She's real hungry for a strap. And part of what they say, they think what fueled his rage is that John was basically a mama's boy,
00:33:08
and he liked that, you know, the father was into fishing and hunting and man, man, man.
00:33:14
And John liked to cook, and he liked to be in the kitchen with his mom. He liked planting flowers in the garden.
00:33:20
Things that in, like, the late 40s apparently brought deep shame upon you and your ancestors
00:33:26
and were unacceptable and made you drink brandy and beat children. It sounds like the norm back then, though.
00:33:34
Yeah, I think it is. It's like everybody has to fit into their box, and if you don't, I'm going to punch you in the face even though you're eight.
00:33:41
All right. And then I wrote down there, toxic masculinity ruins the party again.
00:33:53
Can't wait to see that meme. then when um when john was nine he was molested by a family friend and then when he was 11 he was
00:34:03
hit in the head with a baseball bat what with a swing with a swing exactly like richard ramirez
00:34:12
with a swing yes you know if i was like he got to nine he was so fucking close to like not getting
00:34:18
molested like you're so close yeah and then some fucking shitty neighbor like the dad's
00:34:24
family friend yeah comes along um so close to getting and then a fucking swing yeah were they
00:34:30
in that swing were they not in a metal back then they probably were made out of like seven pounds
00:34:36
of metal like this will really center this swing nicely yeah and it's lead so if you lick it you're
00:34:43
going to die. But he also had a bad heart, so he was prone to fainting spells, which
00:34:54
didn't help with the whole also gardening and cooking thing. He's just like taking five
00:34:59
every once in a while type of stuff. So he just felt, he's all fucked up. Then to add to the household tension, John had a secret fetish for women's underwear.
00:35:20
So he would steal his mother's silk panties and put them, hold on, in a bag and in a brown bag in the back of the closet.
00:35:31
So then his sister found that brown bag in the closet. She told the mom. And the mom was like, oh, Johnny's always had a fetish for panties.
00:35:40
So she was quite progressive, actually. Which is very nice to hear, but not helpful in any way.
00:35:54
Okay so he had a hard time in school He wasn popular He fainted a lot He was always thinking about those underwear And when he was 19 he never graduated from high school
00:36:06
He went to four different high schools around the greater metropolitan area. And then he never graduated.
00:36:13
And when he was 19, he just left town. He moved to Las Vegas without telling his family.
00:36:18
That sounds like what you're supposed to do when you live in the Midwest. That's right.
00:36:22
Bye. no I mean like get out of your small town I don't mean not you guys they just all come
00:36:27
rushing to the stage don't worry they'll fall into the orchestra pit we're totally safe
00:36:33
so here's the thing so he gets a job in Las Vegas and like I was thinking about this
00:36:43
like the first job you get out of high school it's usually based on the thing you kind of like the most
00:36:47
or the thing that you're into so like I worked at a yogurt shop because I fucking love eating so much.
00:36:54
I worked at a bakery. Did you? Yeah. And, well, John became a janitor at a mortuary.
00:36:59
Yeah. Because it was his passion. Oh, dear. The dead. And he actually later admitted to the police
00:37:06
that when he worked there one night, he, that's right. No, no. He got into a coffin with the body of a dead boy
00:37:16
and fondled it. It gets so much worse. There's 47 pages right here. A lot of this is my poetry I'm going to read later.
00:37:38
All right. His parents actually hire a private investigator to find him. And they find him in Vegas.
00:37:45
My parents wouldn't do that. I know, right? And be like, well, good luck. I mean, if you've got to be in Vegas fondling dead bodies, then live your dreams.
00:37:57
He came back to Chicago and he went to business college. And it turned out he's a born salesman because he is a psychopath.
00:38:07
Right? We're learning as we talk on this podcast all about terminology and what it actually means
00:38:14
as opposed to what I think it means and say it means to a whole shitload of people.
00:38:20
And then people, we didn't know, we're learning that people believe us when we say shit.
00:38:24
Yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah. So I think we've taught like psychosis. I've mixed up psychosis and psychopath.
00:38:32
So I had the thing where I told people that 25% of the population were sociopaths.
00:38:39
People do not like that. And then in corrections corner, she said that it was only one quarter.
00:38:43
Yes. yeah and i was like okay i didn't fucking question everything's fine you know anyone
00:38:51
can do a podcast right anybody anyone gets anyone it's true so but for this i looked it up uh because
00:38:58
clearly we know that these these major players uh are usually psychopaths and their thing is that
00:39:05
they're very ambitious it's like they just want to get ahead they're very very charming which
00:39:10
apparently John Wayne Gacy was very charming and had the gift of gab. He just made
00:39:16
people feel very comfortable. And then he had an insatiable sexual appetite. So he was kind of always
00:39:22
doing things so that he could... Those all sound so time consuming. It makes me want to take a nap.
00:39:30
Yeah, he had to take vitamins and just really make sure you got enough water and stuff.
00:39:36
You know what's great is taking a nap with a cat. Like, I don't know. You don't need to be super sexual or talky or fucking cool.
00:39:42
You just relax. You just go to sleep. Yeah. Well, not John, as far as I know. I mean, good for him, kind of.
00:39:47
What if he was like a crazy cat lady? He's like, oh, my God, I have like 12 cats.
00:39:51
I love it. He worked at the Nunn Bush Shoe Company here in Chicago. Anyone? No. Oh, Karen.
00:40:05
Did they shut it down? Steven, can we edit that out? Stephen, can we turn that part up where no one supported me?
00:40:16
He was very good at it, and he ended up getting transferred to Springfield, Illinois.
00:40:21
Big time. Are you representing from Springfield? You moved the fuck out of there, right?
00:40:29
I was fucking right. And he joined a group called the Jaycees. You can cheer for it.
00:40:37
now i just don't believe that you're actually the john gacy's the j they're all john gacy's no the
00:40:42
jc's that's jg's sorry mom this is your fault jesus the jc's from what i can gather which there
00:40:54
is almost no information i think they might be the illuminati because it just is a website a weird
00:41:00
blue website that's like we're a non-profit organization to help for the city and it's like
00:41:05
But why? And based on who? And there's no answers. Just young people in jackets that are like, the Jaycees.
00:41:13
So he was in the Jaycees, and he made a lot of contacts and, I guess, made friends or whatever.
00:41:20
Very active, and that's when you hear about John Wayne Gacy, that he lived this crazy double life because he was all successful
00:41:27
and was in parades and shit. Well, I think it was based in the Jaycees. That's how it started.
00:41:33
In February 1964, he meets a shy bookkeeper, and a year later, he marries her, and she has a very wealthy family, it turns out.
00:41:42
It's an incredibly beneficial marriage to him. I want to say a shy bookkeeper as to what bookkeepers are usually like,
00:41:49
which is fucking out of control. A lot of theater students become bookkeepers. So she wealthy Yeah and so he like that so weird I in love with you What a great coincidence So later that year so they get married in uh Oh no sorry They meet
00:42:10
in February of 64. They get married soon after. And then later that year, this is, this is
00:42:17
mathematically impossible. Shit. Later that it's, I have later that same year while his wife is in
00:42:22
the hospital giving birth to their first child, but I'm pretty sure no. But he could have knocked her up before.
00:42:29
Ooh, girl. Shh. John, you dog. Basically, she gets pregnant with their first child.
00:42:40
She's in the hospital giving birth. You know, back then, I was like, men didn't have to be in the delivery room.
00:42:44
They weren't, you know, they were smoking the car. Women didn't even have to be there.
00:42:47
They just, like, knocked you the fuck out. That's right. You're like, bye. Baby.
00:42:51
Let me know when the baby comes. Well, he actually was at a bar around the corner with one of his coworkers,
00:42:56
who he ended up fucking that night while his wife was giving birth, wakes up in the apartment the next day, gets dressed, goes to the hospital,
00:43:05
and holds his newborn son. Yeah, so this is the beginning of his double life. And then in 1966, his father-in-law says,
00:43:15
if you move to Waterloo, Iowa, I will... I will kill you from the audience. She's just scared because she was thinking about something that happened earlier.
00:43:30
There was a spider. There was a spider on her seat. Yeah, there was a spider. The father-in-law says if you move to Waterloo, Iowa,
00:43:39
you can have three Kentucky Fried Chicken restaurants. Oh, my God. Am I right? With the fucking Waterloo chicken?
00:43:46
I would do that. So he goes there to manage these. He's 24. Holy shit. And the funniest thing is when you watch these, I mean, there's a million, uh, uh, what do you call it?
00:43:57
Documentaries about him. He always looks 53. Yeah. Like from, from fucking jump.
00:44:03
When there's pictures of him as a boy, you're like, is that the oldest boy in America?
00:44:07
He's just at the Kentucky fried chickens. they say he's like a good manager and he does very well in the job but he makes
00:44:19
his employees call him the colonel what a fucking nerd can you believe if if he's if i was standing there with my dumb apron on like
00:44:32
working cnt fried chicken he's like i'm your new manager but you got to call me the colonel i'd be
00:44:36
like see you fucking later colonel i don't work here anymore but you know he thinks it's like fun
00:44:41
and like, you can call me this, but every time you don't, he's like, call me this.
00:44:43
I said call me the colonel. And she comes home from a hard day of work, and she's like, my 24-year-old fucking boss,
00:44:50
I'm 53. He was telling me to call him the fucking colonel. Yeah, so he quickly becomes a well-liked member of the community.
00:44:59
That's what he does, what he's good at. He joins the JCs in Waterloo. They're everywhere.
00:45:06
Now you're going to see them everywhere. It eventually turns into Scientology. And they said he became the most valuable member of the JCs
00:45:17
because he got put in charge. He's the chairman of the membership drive. And what he would do to get people to join the JCs
00:45:25
would have them meet in a motel room and show stag movies and have orgies. That sounds amazing.
00:45:32
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Oh, then his sister in one of these documentaries talks about she finds out when they go visit them one time
00:47:51
that him and his wife swap partners. Like that they're, what is that called? Swingers.
00:47:58
They're swingers. Like this. We don't even know what that means. And we're kind of proud of it.
00:48:05
He tells his sister when they're visiting. I was like, yeah, we're going to go to this party tonight,
00:48:08
but we might go home with other people. I was like, okay. You know you're both gross, right?
00:48:16
You know I know about the underwear and the bag, right? Yeah. And then he's voted the J.C.'s man of the year.
00:48:24
Call me Colonel. So then when he's in Waterloo, he ends up, his wife goes out of town.
00:48:32
He invites the 15-year-old son of a fellow JC and a state senator over to the house to watch a stag film and get drunk.
00:48:41
And he molests this boy. No shit. Then he told him, you can't tell on me because I have ties to the mafia in Chicago.
00:48:51
Here's 50 bucks. Keep your mouth shut. And it works for a little while. It works for long enough so that he molests a second boy.
00:48:59
And then finally, one boy breaks and then the other one does. And he gets arrested and he gets sent to prison.
00:49:08
Probation? For 10 years. Okay. The prison psychiatrist recommends that he not be released ever as he was a sexual sadist and could never be rehabilitated.
00:49:19
but he was so well behaved that he served 18 months. Oh! Yay! Fucking fuck, man.
00:49:30
Woo! His wife divorces him. She's like, the swinging thing was one thing but what the fuck.
00:49:40
So he goes back to Chicago. While he's in jail, his father dies, has a heart attack and dies
00:49:46
and he's convinced it's because of what he did, which is probably true. So he goes and moves in.
00:49:55
His mother helps him buy a house, and they move in together. And he's trying to make good on all of his bad behavior.
00:50:02
Good luck with that. So they buy a house at 8213 West Somerdale Avenue in the Norwood Park.
00:50:09
Anyone live there at that house? But for real, though, you can't cheer if you don't actually live there.
00:50:14
and we're all going there right now and then in June of 1971 he starts his infamous contracting company
00:50:25
business I should say called PDM which stands for painting, decorating and maintenance
00:50:31
what does it really stand for? pedophile penis Karen it stands for penis but he put DM after
00:50:39
to throw people off and here's the thing he basically only hires teenage boys to work for him.
00:50:50
Red flag. And when, I mean, really, and when anybody asks him about it, he's like, they're more reliable than grown men.
00:50:57
Uh-huh. Teenage boys in the 70s. All right. Okay. There's like literal movies made about teenage boys in the 70s.
00:51:06
Being unreliable. Being unreliable. So, okay. So in January of 1972, when he is 29,
00:51:14
61 he picks up he's single now so he doesn't have to no one's checking on him I don't think his mother's really paying attention
00:51:26
so one night he goes to the Greyhound bus station and he picks up a teenage runaway
00:51:32
named Tim McCoy and he takes him back to his house where they party, they have sex
00:51:38
they believe that part was consensual but then Gacy grabs a kitchen knife and stabs him to death.
00:51:46
So this is his first kill. And he is also the first body that's buried in the crawl space.
00:51:54
And because he was a runaway, no one ever knew the boy was missing, so the cops were never alerted.
00:52:00
Poor baby. So then the next line is, then he remarries a woman named Carol. It's very easy for him to date for some reason.
00:52:11
It's so funny how much more of these people have their shit together than you and I.
00:52:16
You mean me. You're married. No, I mean us. No, I heard. I heard what you're saying.
00:52:20
I'm married by the string of my teeth. What did they say? I mean. It was a friend of his sister's from high school.
00:52:30
And the sister, again, in a documentary is like, I mean, I didn't really see, you know, them together.
00:52:36
But, you know, they seem happy. And it's just like, oh, all right. So basically he's just using her as body armor and then just going about his day.
00:52:46
So in 1975 is when he starts dressing up infamously as Pogo the Clown. Now, everybody's seen the pictures, but if you haven't, if you're from Norway or whatever.
00:53:00
Has anyone? Woo! They don't do that. he dressed up as a clown but he did the makeup
00:53:11
there's like a rule in clown makeup where everything has to be rounded everything's circular and rounded
00:53:17
and like fun because you're staring into the face of children and Pogo the Clown
00:53:22
they say like round shit they love round shit donuts and cookies and fucking clown eyes
00:53:29
but John Wayne Gacy's clown makeup is pointy pointy point. It's the scariest thing. It's truly like a clown nightmare.
00:53:40
Illuminati, Illuminati, right? Fucking death track. Light swastika on the forehead.
00:53:46
So bad Okay so in 76 after three years of marriage his wife leaves him Just because You know she just didn feel like it anymore I just not feeling it So there this story and this guy Tony Antonucci tells the story in one of the documentaries He was
00:54:02
16 at the time. He was working at the contracting company. John Wayne Gacy invites him over,
00:54:07
because this was the thing. It would be like, come up to my house and let's smoke a joint,
00:54:10
and we'll have a couple drinks, and we'll hang out. And then when the teenage boys would get there,
00:54:14
he would be, so this guy was a high school wrestler. So John Wayne Gacy's like, oh, come on,
00:54:18
Mr. Russell, show me your wrestling moves. And the guy's like, okay. That's such a thing.
00:54:23
Yes. All of that. It's a real thing. Yeah, because then you're high, and then you're like,
00:54:28
well, I'm not going to say no to my boss who wants me to wrestle with him. Yeah, and then suddenly you're...
00:54:33
You can, though. Just know about it. You guys. You can literally just put the joint down and be like,
00:54:39
I'll see you tomorrow. You don't need to drink with older people. I don't know. My parents are older than me, and I drink with them.
00:54:48
It's fine. Something about, you know, something is, there's something deep there.
00:54:51
There's something in there. It's just, no, we're going to dig around in that. Just go with it.
00:54:53
For sure. You don't need to drink with older people. Just pepper spray everyone.
00:55:04
So basically, he challenges them to a wrestling match, and while they're wrestling, he throws a handcuff on one of Tony's wrists,
00:55:14
and he tries to get the other wrist handcuffed and he's fighting him and fighting him and then
00:55:21
he thinks he gets in so uh gacy leaves the room and then tony what had happened is he fought him
00:55:27
so much that the handcuff was only clicked to like the first thing so he was able to pull his hand
00:55:33
out of the handcuff but then when gacy walked back in the room he kept his hand back down his
00:55:37
back so it still looked like he was handcuffed and so when gacy came over to him he fucking took
00:55:43
him down. He did like a wrestling move, took him down to the ground and Casey goes, Oh,
00:55:47
you passed the test. So then Tony's like, Oh, okay. And then he just kept working for
00:55:54
him. I wanted that to end better. Um, I mean, he's, he was alive to tell the story. So that's
00:56:03
good. But it was that thing where he was like, you know, it's, it's your boss and you just,
00:56:08
you want, it was a good job. They were probably making, you know, a good amount of money.
00:56:11
And it's such a weird story that there's no way to explain it to someone and sound like now you'd be like this thing happened.
00:56:18
And that would be a classic assault. But now, but then it was just like, he's just goofing around.
00:56:23
Yeah. You know, we got high in that thing where your boss wrestles you and handcuffs you.
00:56:30
Didn't you work at the Gap? That happened to you once at the Gap, right? Yes, it happens all the time.
00:56:35
It's normal. All right, so basically, this is his, it turns out that this becomes Gacy's MO.
00:56:42
It's either the handcuff trick or the magic rope trick. The magic rope trick was he would say, oh, I'm going to show you this magic rope trick.
00:56:49
And it was all around the fact that he was Pogo the Clown. So he's like, I'm a clown.
00:56:52
I have these tricks. I'm going to show you the tricks. Oh, no. It's such a nightmare.
00:56:58
You're like kind of high, like, okay. yeah like even just the clown stuff i'd be like i'm sorry i just had an emergency call i have to
00:57:07
leave like they didn't have phones back then that's right they couldn't they just had to sit
00:57:11
there in their down vest being like cool man yeah um the fucking rope trick the magic rope trick is
00:57:18
they stand there and he goes so this is what i do and then he would just throw a rope around their
00:57:22
neck and fucking strangle them that was the magic rope trick so it was quick and bad oh god so
00:57:28
the problem was that he hired these boys and a lot of them are written off as runaways when they
00:57:34
would disappear um and oftentimes it would come to him so they'd be like oh he worked for you
00:57:40
have you seen him lately and Tony Antonucci tells in one of those stories he said he was supposed to
00:57:45
meet um this boy John Zick and John Zick never showed up for the job they were supposed to go do
00:57:53
together. And then Gacy came up and goes, he called me and he said that he went to, um, uh,
00:58:02
Cabo San Lucas. Yep. Yeah. Cause that's where you go when you're a teenager. When you're a teenager
00:58:06
by yourself, I'm just going to go, I'm going to quick seize. I just need to go down to, to the
00:58:11
Mexican Riviera for a while. Yeah. I'm going to go. I just need to take it easy. Goodbye. So,
00:58:16
Oh, man. So at this point, oh, and also around this time, Gacy also put red lights in his car and would,
00:58:24
when he would see a target, he would pull them over and say that he was an undercover cop
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and that he had to bring them in, he would handcuff them, and then he would have them.
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Never pull your car over when you're getting followed by a cop. Tell them I said that.
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Which is also the thing that Hillside Stranglers did. They posed as cops and pulled women over
00:58:46
and would be like, you have a bunch of tickets, get into our car. Which is why you actually, I mean, I'm not fucking bullshitting now.
00:58:51
You do want to pull over in a well-populated area. If some cop is stopping you on a fucking deserted road,
00:58:58
you're fucking getting off on the next stop and parking in a McDonald's. You know what you're doing?
00:59:02
You're high-speed chasing it. Bye. To a ball of time. Tell them your mother sent you.
00:59:08
Karen in Georgia. So around this time, at this point, he's been getting away with murder for six years.
00:59:15
Jesus. At the end of 1977, he'd killed 19 boys. Fuck. And by 1978, he was committing a murder every two to three weeks.
00:59:23
Holy shit. Your town. I can't even vacuum every two to three weeks. I mean, you should.
00:59:32
There's so much dog hair on all my clothes at all times. Me too. The only reason we don't have it is because we packed these.
00:59:39
I bought this here. All right. So his last victim, this was in December 1978. and it was 15 Robert Piest and he worked part at a drugstore in Des Plains Des Plains Des Plains Des Plains
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Des Plains? It doesn't matter. So his mom, this Robert Peast's mom is in the parking lot to pick him up when his shift is over,
01:00:09
but he goes, hold on a second, I met this guy who has a better job for me, and it's a really good paying job, I'll be right back.
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And he never comes back. They go out into the parking lot after 15 minutes and he's nowhere to be seen.
01:00:22
But here's the thing. And this is where, if you've ever seen, there's a movie where Brian Denny,
01:00:26
he plays John Wayne Gacy. And you have to see it, it's so crazy. Because he was a crazy drunk and on pills.
01:00:34
So by this point, he's been doing it and getting away with it for so long. He's like sloppy as hell.
01:00:38
He thinks no one's ever gonna catch him. And he's just really sloppy. So the people in this drugstore knew who John Wayne Gacy was.
01:00:46
The guy who always offers kids jobs, probably. Exactly. Pogo the Clown's here again.
01:00:52
It's that guy who wears a sweet honesty t-shirt all the time. I brought him back around.
01:00:58
Yeah. It's called a bring it back around. Thank you. So anyway, they file a missing persons report.
01:01:05
He is not a runaway. They can't blame it on any of that shit. This boy was an Eagle Scout, a loving family.
01:01:11
So the cops, they trace it back to Gacy. The cops go to his house to question him at 3.30 in the morning when they finally trace it back.
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And he's super pissy. He's like really bitchy to the cops. I would be. Oh, no, I'm sorry.
01:01:26
They go to his house like at night, normal time. And he's really bitchy. He's like, I will come down to the station.
01:01:33
I'll come down to talk to you. He shows up at 3.30 in the morning at the police station covered in mud.
01:01:39
so they're like could you take a seat in here please we just have a couple questions to ask you
01:01:46
and they finally do a background check and see that he was convicted for sodomy in Iowa
01:01:55
and they're finally like I think we've got the guy so yeah but can I just say that
01:02:01
sodomy is a bullshit charge that they because they didn't give him the you guys never mind
01:02:07
What? It's just a thing where they, like, didn't want to charge him with child molestation
01:02:11
or give him a real fucking charge. They gave him 18 months because they gave him sodomy instead,
01:02:15
which, like, anyone could get sodomy. That's not what I mean. That's right. That's right.
01:02:26
And if you're not comfortable with that, maybe it's your problem. Yeah. They detain him at the police station.
01:02:35
He doesn't even want to get him. I mean, I don't know what to say. Okay. They detain him at the police station.
01:02:45
They go and search Gacy's home, and they find a trap door that leads down to the crawl space.
01:02:53
And then a cop crawls down to the crawl space, and they're like, there sure is a lot of lime down here.
01:02:59
And they just come back up. They didn't find anything. They came. Yeah. yeah someone said no no there's more on this paper i swear to god so what they do find is a
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bunch of jewelry that does not belong to him and one of the things that they found was a class ring
01:03:18
with the initials jc inside it and they trace that ring back to john zick his last name is spelled so
01:03:26
insanely it's c z y s z k or something like that i just wrote it z i c k because i couldn't deal
01:03:33
but they basically see they trace the ring they get John's name they go to the Zick home and they
01:03:43
say the mother tells them he's been missing since January 20th 1977 and they're like ding ding ding
01:03:49
here we go this is our guy so then they start they stake him out and they have to get they have
01:03:55
to get a search warrant for his house so while they're waiting they put the surveillance team
01:04:00
on his house. And Gacy is doing things like leading them on long, medium speed chases till dawn.
01:04:10
Or like... He doesn't even know anyone's following him. No, no, no. He does. He's doing it on purpose.
01:04:14
Or he's like buying them dinner. Like they're out there, you know, like trying to order food or
01:04:19
whatever. And then he just picks up the tab. Like he's fucking around like he can't ever get caught.
01:04:24
but they get a second search warrant and that's when oh no sorry he invited them in for a fish dinner
01:04:34
and while the two cops were inside one of them said could I use your restroom and when the cop goes into the restroom
01:04:42
they said it was around Christmas time so the heater was on and the cop walked into the bathroom
01:04:48
I keep saying restroom but it's a home he goes into the bathroom and smells death.
01:04:55
And he's like, listen. What? Did you hear that? What? I just heard a ghost. The heater vent came on,
01:05:07
the air came out, and it was the smell of death. And he knew that this was, they had to search this house, basically.
01:05:13
Oh, my God. So, essentially, bleep, bleep, bleep. Sorry. Oh, how they finally got him
01:05:22
was he had driven to a gas station and dropped off a bag of pot to somebody. So they got him on this really dumb charge,
01:05:29
but they were able to hold him at the police station. They got the second warrant.
01:05:33
They go into the house. They go into the crawl space. And after 15 minutes, because they just
01:05:38
didn't take enough time the first time. After 15 minutes they like we have three bodies down here And then it on like Donkey Kong And eventually they find in that crawlspace 27
01:05:52
bodies of young men and boys. I feel so bad for those cops that had to do all that
01:05:59
shit up. It's so... Even just the old footage is so upsetting looking. I haven't seen it.
01:06:05
Yeah, you have to look at it. Was his mom just playing solitaire the whole time or something?
01:06:08
No, she died at some point. I almost said... She's like, what's that, Johnny? I didn't hear you come in.
01:06:15
I almost said good. No, I don't want to do the handcuff trick again. I don't want to.
01:06:19
You know, you did that to me. I fell for it. Here are my undies. So there's 27 bodies in the house,
01:06:29
and then he admits that there are also six he dumped in the river, and that's when he was covered in mud at the police station.
01:06:36
He had just dumped Robert Peest's body. He basically dumped it and went straight to the police station.
01:06:41
He stands trial in February of 1980. He never shows an ounce of remorse. They put the victim's family members and friends on the stand
01:06:50
so everybody sees all of these boys and all of their family and all the people that were affected.
01:06:57
And in three hours, the jury finds him guilty on all counts. He's sentenced to death.
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And after 14 years of appeals, he's put to death on May 10, 1994. His last words were, kiss my ass.
01:07:11
He's a good guy. And his last meal was Kentucky fried chicken. That's right. That's cool.
01:07:18
I mean, no, it's awful. I don't know. I kind of like it. I know. And then they destroyed that house.
01:07:27
No. When I first saw the footage of that, they pulled the whole fucking thing down.
01:07:31
And then I was like, that's a bit dramatic. And then I was like, what am I talking about?
01:07:35
Like, what real estate agent could sell that fucking house? I like that killing 27 people isn't dramatic, but then tearing the house down.
01:07:44
Tearing the house down. I was like, stop it, you guys. Come on. You're being nuts.
01:07:48
You're being, what's the word? Dramatic. Yes. And that's John Wayne Gacy. Good job, Chicago.
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Yay. Thank you. Great. All right. I hope you guys enjoyed the horrible, horrible story of John Wayne Gacy in a way that only
01:08:08
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