00:00:00
This is exactly right. Secret World of Roald Dahl. Now on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
00:00:36
Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and iHeart Podcast presents Soccer Moms. So I'm Leanne.
00:00:41
Yeah. This is my best friend, Janet. Hey. And we have been joined at the hip since high school.
00:00:45
Absolutely. A redacted amount of years later, we're still joined at the hip. Just a little bit bigger hips.
00:00:51
This is a podcast. We're recording it as we tailgate our youth soccer games in the back of my Honda Odyssey.
00:00:55
With all the snacks and drinks. drinks. Why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer? Oh, they hit a BOGO.
00:01:02
Well, then you got it. Listen to Soccer Moms on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,
00:01:06
or wherever you get your podcasts. How much you weigh, Wanda? Right now, I'm about 130. I'm at 183. We should
00:01:12
race. No, I want to leave here with my original hips. On the podcast to match up with L'Aleah, I pair prominent female
00:01:18
athletes with unexpected guests. On a recent episode, I sat down with undisputed
00:01:22
boxing champ, Clarissa Shields, and comedian Wanda Sykes to talk about Wanda's new movie,
00:01:26
undercard, the art of trash talk and what it really means to be ladylike. Open your free
00:01:30
iHeartRadio app, search the matchup with Aaliyah and listen now. Brought to you by Novartis, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports Network.
00:01:39
Hello and welcome to My Favorite Murder. My name is Danielle Henderson. I am the guest host this
00:01:44
week. I am also the co-host of the I Saw What You Did podcast here on the Exactly Right Network.
00:01:50
and I am so excited to bring you some stories today. I've been friends with Karen for a while,
00:01:57
and I'm a fan of this podcast and a fan of this work in general. George is a new friend,
00:02:04
but I just really, I wanted to pick some stories that kind of give a feel for not just what the
00:02:12
show is, but also what their personalities are, because I think their personalities is what brings
00:02:17
most of us to the show. I originally wanted to pick the Mary Vincent story, because when I first
00:02:25
heard that story, I texted Karen like eight times throughout and was just like, I cannot believe
00:02:32
this. What? Oh my God, I cannot believe this. What? It really, it is the pinnacle of stories to me,
00:02:39
one of the most harrowing stories I've ever heard. But luckily, there are several of those
00:02:44
in the catalog of My Favorite Murder. So let's get to it. So I picked for Georgia's story,
00:03:12
Who Put Bella in the Witch Elm from episode 10. It's an early episode, which I think is always
00:03:19
fun to revisit. And I love this story because it kind of has, it has such a distinct mystery
00:03:27
element to it. And it really has a questioning element to the story that leaves you wondering
00:03:34
what actually happened. I love the way Georgia tells the story. It's just so full of humor.
00:03:39
and I think that that's also part of the reason why I chose this story is that you really get to see the back and forth between Karen and Georgia
00:03:47
in the early iteration of the show and their personalities are just on full display
00:03:52
so without further ado, here's Who Put Bella in the Witch Elm Okay, you're going to go first this week?
00:03:58
Yeah, I'll go first this week so we're ready for our favorite murder Are you ready?
00:04:03
Alright, so this week we're doing I picked a topic and then I hated it um so i made i said karen what's your dream topic do you remember what the topic was before
00:04:14
it was vintage unsolved oh right then i got really angry and was like i can't do this yeah
00:04:19
and i said karen have you picked yours yet and you said no what's your dream topic
00:04:23
and then i just didn't answer you because i was like myob mind your opus no no not at all you said uh you said weird murders yes which like basically is
00:04:37
we've done so many already. I mean, we've also done like kids killing kids. We've done so many things that like we're the category idea.
00:04:46
Yeah. We're just trying to organize our thoughts. Totally. It's, it's, it's try to help us like,
00:04:51
uh, go down a path. That's not an infinite path. Yes. Okay. Huh? So, but also like what murder isn't weird.
00:04:59
Oh, totally. It's kind of an aberration just in it. But you know, um, well, I, I thought there was a couple that I wanted to do.
00:05:07
And I also don't want to do one that everyone like there's something about the maybe it's just the podcast, the Facebook Facebook group.
00:05:13
But like everyone in that fucking group knows every murder. Like they know everything, which is like so fun.
00:05:20
But I don't want to disappoint them. Yes. Same. You know what I mean? So so I picked one.
00:05:25
I was going to do the Tom and Shude case. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's an unsolved case of an unidentified man found dead in 1948 in Australia.
00:05:35
And he walked up on the beach and in his pocket was a piece of paper with the phrase Taman Shud,
00:05:41
which means ended or finished in Persian, printed on a little scrap of paper. And they don't know who he is, where it came from, what his deal is.
00:05:49
It's a fascinating case if you don't know it, which everyone probably knows it. And it's still unsolved, right?
00:05:55
Yeah Okay And so is this one the one that I picked as my favorite weird murder called Who Put Bella in the Witch Elm Is that yours No no no But I just listened to a different podcast about this
00:06:09
It's great. It's also called The Hagley Woods Mystery sometimes. This is a good one.
00:06:14
So in April 1943, which is obviously in the middle of World War II, four boys from Stourbridge in the UK were poaching when they came out.
00:06:24
Can you say that one more time? Stowbridge, UK. They were poaching. They came across a large witch elm.
00:06:31
It's spelled W-I-T-C-H or W-Y-C-H in different postings. I can't really tell. I think it's W-I-T-C-H.
00:06:40
And they found a witch elm on an estate belonging to a lord. They thought it was a good place to hunt birds' nests.
00:06:46
And so they tried to climb into the tree to investigate, and they found a skull.
00:06:51
And they thought it was an animal. And then they saw human teeth and hair attached to this.
00:06:57
And they had found a human skull. So they went. They were like, here's a great idea.
00:07:00
Let's not tell anyone because we'll get in trouble for being on the Lord's land.
00:07:04
Like, you guys. Boys. If you ever find something, say something or you look fucking suspicious.
00:07:10
Your parents won't be mad at you for being on someone's land if you find a skull.
00:07:16
Everyone knows lords are dicks. Look, we've all dealt with asshole lords before.
00:07:21
We've all trespassed on land that belongs to Lourdes. And if you find a body, you should tell someone.
00:07:28
So the youngest kid was like, of course it's the youngest kid. He's like, I'm scared, mommy.
00:07:33
Mommy. Mommy. And he told his parents, and the police checked the trunk of the tree.
00:07:37
They found an almost complete human skeleton, a shoe, a gold wedding ring, and some fragments of clothing.
00:07:46
And then on further investigation, a severed hand was found buried in the ground near the tree.
00:07:50
the body was examined by professor james webster and he established that the skeleton was a female
00:08:00
who had been done for at least 18 months and the time of death must have been around october 1941
00:08:05
he discovered this is this a section of taffeta lodged in her mouth suggesting she had died from
00:08:13
asphyxiation and I wrote or from fashion in my notes. She did. She died from the eighties.
00:08:20
Oh, Georgia. Oh, Georgia. Go for it. Go do it. Do it. The measurement of the trunk, which the body was placed in, made him think that she must
00:08:31
have been placed there still warm after the killing as she could not have fit in once
00:08:35
rigor mortis had taken hold. Rigor mortis is I'm fascinated by it. It's just my God.
00:08:40
Because it sets in, but then it goes away, right? I think it goes away after like 10 days, but I feel like you can also break it with enough force.
00:08:50
Listen, everyone put on the Facebook group whether or not this is true or not. Yeah, what do you know about rigor mortis?
00:08:55
Clearly someone knows something. That's a good podcast too, by the way. So it's our offshoot podcast, Someone Knows Something About Rigor Mortis.
00:09:06
Okay, so the woman's murder was in the midst of World War II in the UK, which clearly had a lot of action going on.
00:09:14
So it hampered the investigation. Police could tell from the items found what the woman looked like,
00:09:21
what so many people reported missing during the war, they really couldn't find out who it was.
00:09:26
They did a nationwide search of dental practices, which came up with nothing, which I feel like in 1941, the nationwide search of dental practices was not very thorough.
00:09:35
Yeah, you're calling up on one of those crank wall phones. of like, you know, hey, Strobridge 39478.
00:09:43
Have you seen a cap on the insides of three? We don't do those here. And it's also a barbershop.
00:09:50
I love our dental. They're British people that talk like they're from the Bronx.
00:09:57
From a movie from the Bronx. This is good radio. Again, just the facts here, you guys.
00:10:03
That's all you got. The facts and only the facts. This is a real boring podcast.
00:10:09
So people eventually kind of forgot about the woman in the tree until the graffiti started.
00:10:15
What an ominous fucking line. This is the beginning of Banksy. So someone wrote who put Lulabelle down the witch elm in graffiti.
00:10:28
And then someone wrote the Hagley Wood Bella. Then someone wrote who put Bella in the witch elm.
00:10:34
And the graffiti appeared on walls throughout the West Midlands, which is near where it happened, seemingly by the same hand, which is a fucking, I love handwriting analysis so much.
00:10:44
Me too. It was last painted onto, the graffiti was last painted onto the side of a 200-year-old obelisk, which is like spooky as fuck.
00:10:53
Yeah. On the 18th of August, 1999. Whoa. In white paint. That's some, what was the, that's some Toy and Be Tile shit.
00:11:03
Yes, that's right. It just continues on. What the fuck? So let's see. Okay. A couple of theories that the hand buried close by could have been a hand of glory, which I actually talked about recently on Silver Party.
00:11:18
It's a dried and pickled hand of a man who has been hanged, often specified as being the left hand.
00:11:25
Or if the man was hanged for murder, the hand that did the deed. and they, old European beliefs,
00:11:32
attributed the great powers to a hand of glory combined with a candle. Basically,
00:11:37
they made a fucking hand of someone who was hanged into a candle. And so when people
00:11:40
would break into someone's house, they would bring it with them for good luck. Oh, shit.
00:11:44
That's pretty much what it was. So it was a cultist type of thing, which is like,
00:11:48
look, there's a hand buried nearby. What does that mean? I feel like the glory part
00:11:52
is a bit of a misnomer. It horrifying It a disembodied hand the hand of horrifying trying to do it Like they put the wicks on the tip of the fingers Like if someone broke into my house with that I would run
00:12:06
So of course you would get away with it. Take all of my jewels. Bye. I'd be like, bye.
00:12:14
Okay, bye. Okay, bye. You got me. Later days. So, um, so I read this part from, this is all from like Wikipedia and random like websites.
00:12:22
This is from the unredacted. It wasn't until 1953 when journalist Wilford Jones started to write about the old case that interest was revived.
00:12:33
And he would soon receive the first solid lead in nearly a decade. This is in 1953.
00:12:38
There was a letter signed only Anna offered new details of what had happened to Bella.
00:12:43
According to the letter, Bella, I love this, had been murdered because of her involvement with a Nazi spy ring operating in the Midlands in the early 1940s.
00:12:51
Yes. Hundreds of German spies were captured in Britain during the war, and the Midlands would have been a valuable source of intelligence because of its prevalence of munitions factories.
00:13:00
Wow. Really fucking cool. So the journalist— You never think of England as having spies like that.
00:13:06
It's like— Yeah. You think of—because it's an island over by itself. Yeah. How did they get there?
00:13:11
Well, this is one of the theories— No, no, no. I didn't write this down, but this is one of the theories.
00:13:15
Is that she parachuted in and somehow ended up in the trunk of the tree, which I call bullshit on that theory.
00:13:21
Maybe she parachuted in and they found her and killed her and put her in the tree.
00:13:26
The idea that you would parachute in to be a spy and you would parachute down into the trunk of a tree,
00:13:34
you are the dumbest, unluckiest spy who's the worst at parachuting. Listen, she's in a plane.
00:13:39
She gets scared, so she grabs a handful of her taffetas, stuffs it in her mouth,
00:13:44
jumps up, on her way down, hits her arm, her hand comes off. The force buries it in the ground.
00:13:51
This is all absolutely feasible. It's doable. It's doable. Wait a second. What material...
00:13:58
Taffeta is like prom dresses. Taffeta isn't parachutes, right? No. Taffeta, I feel like it's an underskirt material.
00:14:04
Okay. Or maybe it's a lacy collar. Okay. Like a high, like Victorian lacy collar.
00:14:09
It's not like nylon. We're not talking... It's a different thing than parachutes.
00:14:12
Yeah, that would be cool. I thought I had a theory, but... You know, at the same time, though, these stories are passed down so long that someone
00:14:19
could have said it's taffeta and that stuck true which is the problem with these old crimes is like
00:14:25
they just get told so many times that these things come back so i'm gonna say that she had parachute
00:14:29
nylon stuffed in her mouth let's change the story to work for us we're slipping the script um okay
00:14:37
so then the journalist got a letter from this woman anna claiming bella had died after getting
00:14:43
involved in a world war ii nazi spiring and she said finish your articles on the witch elm crime
00:14:49
by all means. They're interesting to your readers, but you will never solve the mystery.
00:14:54
The one person who could give the answer is now beyond the jurisdiction of the earthly courts.
00:14:58
That's a great way to say someone's dead. We're now called my favorite beyond the jurisdiction
00:15:03
of the earthly courts. God, earthly courts. I know. The affair is closed and involves no witches,
00:15:08
black magic, or moonlit rites. Basically, this witch is like, I know what fucking happened.
00:15:13
Shit. Do you think that witch, did you say witch or bitch? That bitch knows what happened.
00:15:18
No, no witches. black magic or moonlight rites. Like she's saying it wasn't a witchcraft. Oh, because it is in the
00:15:25
forest. I know. Creepy. Yeah. And she's found in a fucking trunk of a tree. Like that's
00:15:30
some, what was the show recently with Woody Harrelson? No, Woody Harrelson. Oh, True Detective. That's some True Detective shit right there.
00:15:39
Season one, baby. Season one. Fuck season two. Season two was slop. Although we did see Colin
00:15:45
Farrell at the movie theater the other night. And I almost told him your performance in True Detective season two was masterful.
00:15:54
The only saving grace of that episode season. And my girl, Rachel McAdams. I do love her.
00:16:01
No? She just bores me. She just talks like this all the time and she bores me. I know, but she has perfect, like, she always has a good bob.
00:16:10
Yeah. She has a great bob. She has a nice tall forehead. I'm jealous of her face.
00:16:15
She love a tall forehead. I really do because mine is like a three head. It is the shortest.
00:16:19
All my bangs are an atrocity. Nothing works. Nothing works. You should shave the front part of your forehead.
00:16:26
Like an Edwardian. Just get it waxed and it'll look like. That's a good idea. I know.
00:16:31
Oh my God, I want to barf. Like how you used to cut your Barbie's hair off in the front for banging.
00:16:36
Here's bangs. They'll grow in. You know, I used to do baby bangs like in the early 90s when I was a big drunk.
00:16:40
Like little foofies? I can't tell you how my face looked like a straight up full moon.
00:16:45
I look like the blood moon walking around working at the gap. You talk about your photos from when you were younger so much, and I've never seen them.
00:16:52
I'm dying to see them. I've scrubbed the Internet of them. Please don't scrub my brain of them.
00:16:59
OK. Sorry. No, this is the best part. After subsequent correspondence, Anna revealed herself to be a woman named Una Mossop and told the full story.
00:17:09
She said her husband, Jack, worked on a local munitions factory, again, the munitions factory, in the early 1940s and come into some money after meeting a mysterious Dutchman.
00:17:18
He later admitted to Una that the Dutchman was a Nazi agent and Jack had been passing him information about the local industrial sites.
00:17:26
Listen, you asshole. Yeah. This is why we fucking lost the word. No, I'm kidding.
00:17:29
We actually won the word. Good news, Georgia. Hey, guys. I'm totally kidding. Let's see.
00:17:37
So, uh, which in turn was passed to another agent posing as a cabaret performer at local
00:17:41
theaters. The Midlands had been bombarded by the Luftwaffe in the early forties.
00:17:46
And such information would have been invaluable to the Nazis to target their raids when they
00:17:49
would have done the most damage to Britain's war effort. One day Jack met his contact at a pub close to Hagley Wood He was arguing with the Dutch with a Dutch woman This Dutchman was arguing with a Dutch woman He ordered Jack to drive them both out to the Clint Hills but the argument had grown extremely violent
00:18:06
and the Dutch agent strangled the woman in the car. Fearing for his own life, Jack helped carry the body into the nearby Hagley Woods,
00:18:13
where the pair buried it in the hollow of an old tree elm. That sounds reasonable.
00:18:19
Yeah, that's believable. I mean, it sounds insane, but a reasonable explanation.
00:18:22
Also, sorry to say, but it's kind of a good idea to bury a body inside of a tree.
00:18:28
It's like now how they're doing burials when you can be like, I want to be a pod and you can get buried in the woods now.
00:18:37
Oh, right. But it's against your will. But it's the only difference. Listen, stick with me.
00:18:45
It's an eco burial, but you don't have a choice in the matter. Um, this totally makes sense to me.
00:18:51
And I was going to say something else and I forgot. So, yeah. Oh, I feel like there's so many murders that are solved because an ex-girlfriend, a jilted ex-lover ex-girlfriend is like, hey, FYI, here's what happened.
00:19:06
Totally. I didn't say because I was scared from it, which I totally believe. Like you eventually tell.
00:19:12
Yeah. I mean, because that guy had a lot to lose. if he was like passing info, then if she said
00:19:18
anything, yeah, he probably told her, I'll kill you. I mean, like, yeah, she thought he would die.
00:19:24
She didn't want him to die either. She loved him. Yeah. And then he slept with her sister
00:19:28
and she was like, listen, fuck this dude. Is that the reason why she said OO? No, I'm totally guessing this.
00:19:33
Okay, so Una's husband was apparently so traumatized by the brutal murder of Bella that he had a nervous breakdown
00:19:42
tormented by horrific visions of a woman's skull in a tree. And he was institutionalized in 1941
00:19:48
and apparently died later that year. So that sounds totally plausible and feasible.
00:19:53
And it sounds like it happened immediately. Like he went through the trauma and then just freaked out.
00:19:58
It turns out, nobody knew this, but Nazis are assholes. Oh, yeah. They should have mentioned that in the 40s.
00:20:05
They killed people. America could have got involved in that war earlier. Ooh, get impalynical.
00:20:10
I said it. You heard me and I said it. It's like everyone from that era is dead.
00:20:15
I don't care that you said it. It's true. There's like one 90-year-old veteran that's like, how dare you?
00:20:20
How dare you? I came here to listen to a motor podcast. Not a rant against the Luftwaffe.
00:20:28
Yeah. So that sounds, I like that theory. Again, I like it and it fits very well and it could have changed a lot.
00:20:35
And who knows if it's true, but it's a good one. Yeah. So, yeah, if you guys want to, there's actually a good photo of the skull.
00:20:41
if you go online. So this is the Who Put Bella in the Witch Elm or the Hagley Woods Mystery.
00:20:46
You can see some cool photos from back then. Every time I watch British TV, I want to go there
00:20:52
because it's such a rich and storied past. But stuff like that, you don't even think about it
00:20:58
aside from the fact that they got the shit bombed out of them during World War II
00:21:02
and it was like total chaos and insanity every day. Can you imagine these proper British people
00:21:07
got the shit bombed out of them? And they didn't react. Like what I love is that it's so British that that whole keep calm, carry on, where it was just like nobody was allowed to be like, can you believe this shit or freak out or anything?
00:21:20
They were all like, all right, are you ready for tea? Well, even the even the army, the British army was like, there are these here are these rules that we have to follow.
00:21:29
And I think that's why we had to step in is that we're like, there are these rules of war, but these Nazis are not following them.
00:21:37
No. And you think that combat is this old tradition. It's not anymore. But these proper British people, God bless them.
00:21:45
I know. And just the fucking amount of civilians that were just game is awful. It's crazy.
00:21:56
On both sides. I mean, yeah. World War II. I will fall into any World War II black hole, that whole thing.
00:22:05
Anytime it's people going back. What I really like is when people go back and try to talk to German people, citizens today from that era and how defensive and freaked out they get.
00:22:17
Yeah. What an incredible scar on the history of German people and how terrible they feel and how it would.
00:22:26
It's just a strange thing. Well, if you ask them, it's not it wasn't their fault.
00:22:30
They weren't, you know, they weren't part of it. They weren't supporting it. I mean, I totally understand why someone like Adolf Hitler would have looked so appealing in the beginning.
00:22:40
Yep. And that was a country that was like on its knees for years and years and years.
00:22:46
Because we we made them do that after World War One. We spanked them. Yeah. Not that they didn't deserve it.
00:22:54
But it's just that thing of like, keep an eye out for somebody that likes a scapegoat.
00:22:57
It's usually scapegoats are usually a minority person. Yeah. They can't speak up for themselves.
00:23:04
I'm going to say it. What you are not saying. Donald Trump. Let's not get into it.
00:23:10
That motherfucker. Yeah. Oh, no. We just lost thousands and thousands of listeners.
00:23:15
Good. Oh, those. I don't want them. Those are the people who come after us. Those are not our 2000 Facebook group followers.
00:23:23
Please. Are you kidding me? That'd be unbelievable. So I just love that one's weird to me because I just love that she was found in a tree.
00:23:30
and it's just so fascinating to me. It also feels like that's the kind that you feel like in maybe five years
00:23:37
they'll have that solved somehow. I feel like it's one of those ones that it's solved in that
00:23:43
there's some obvious explanation, that one I just read, but it's too late. It'll never be.
00:23:50
And then isn't it weird when you hear about vintage murders and you're like, he's 67 now and he got arrested.
00:23:54
You're like, oh my God, I thought he'd be dead. Yes. He's 67 or whatever. But that guy...
00:24:00
I mean, it's such a that's a tough arrow pointing straight to the guy that immediately has a nervous breakdown and basically dies.
00:24:07
I mean, I kind of feel badly for that guy because. Yeah. What is it going to be like?
00:24:12
No, Nazi who just killed your counterpart. Yeah. I'm not going to help you. Right.
00:24:18
He is. Of course he is. And now he's stuck. Like he can't tell anyone because he's being treasonous.
00:24:22
He's treasonous. Bitch. Guys do not sell your government secrets. you know the famous author Roald Dahl
00:24:30
he thought up Willy Wonka and the BFG but did you know he was a spy neither did I
00:24:36
you can hear all about his wildlife story in the podcast The Secret World of Roald Dahl all episodes
00:24:43
are out now was this before he wrote his stories it must have been what okay I don't think that's true
00:24:48
I'm telling you I was a spy binge all 10 episodes of The Secret World of Roald Dahl now on the
00:24:54
iHeartRadio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and iHeart Podcast presents Soccer Moms.
00:25:03
So I'm Leanne. Yeah. This is my best friend, Janet. Hey. And we have been joined at the hip since high school.
00:25:08
Absolutely. A redacted amount of years later, we're still joined at the hip. Just a little bit bigger hips.
00:25:13
This is a podcast. We're recording it as we tailgate our youth soccer games in the back of my Honda Odyssey.
00:25:18
With all the snacks and drinks. Why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer? Oh, they had a BOGO.
00:25:24
Well, then you got it. Listen to Soccer Moms on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
00:25:31
Hi, I'm Chris Fairbanks. And I'm Karen Kilgariff. We host Do You Need a Ride, the mobile comedy podcast that answers the question,
00:25:38
what does it sound like when we drive our comedian friends around the wild streets of Los Angeles?
00:25:42
Yes, every week we pick up a hilarious guest, maybe run some errands, share some laughs, and our dreams.
00:25:48
Like when Martha Kelly shared her career pivot. I want to become an influencer of divorced moms whose kids have gone off to college
00:25:56
who have decided they're going to start living life for themselves. Or the time Baron Vaughn got distracted by the majestic scenery.
00:26:05
Then there's a freaking deer right there on the side of the road. Oh, that's holy shit.
00:26:07
Eating freaking road grass. Road grass. I wish you said glass. New episodes drop every Monday on the Exactly Right Network.
00:26:16
Listen to Do You Need a Ride on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
00:26:23
Thank you. You're welcome. Whoa, what a great story. So my pick for Karen is from episode 45, and it is The Tale of Lord Lucan.
00:26:36
I think I picked both of these because I really enjoy the mystery elements to them.
00:26:40
But this one in particular has so many incredible details. And to hear Karen tell it is just as you just get sucked into the narrative of what could possibly have happened, even though we all kind of know what happened.
00:26:55
But I think it's it's just a really important, an important example of what white guys can get away with, I think.
00:27:03
so here we have from episode 45 the story of lord lucan so i have because of watching the
00:27:14
killing season and how heavy it is and how uh it feels like everyone in the world is a serial
00:27:21
killer by the time you're halfway through with it which in some ways is a fun feeling it's fun
00:27:27
isn't it it i like it and yet you're still alive um we made it everybody uh so so i switched over
00:27:35
um as a palate cleanser i started watching the crown which is a wonderful netflix series
00:27:40
british procedural um it sounds british is it british it's the story of queen elizabeth i
00:27:47
figured god i'm so smart the newest one um yeah it's so in a way it is kind of a british procedural
00:27:53
Wait, it's the newest show about the, about, about like how she got, became the queen and what her life was like.
00:28:00
She's like a badass. She's a total badass. There's parts in it. I want the crown TV show to come out with their own book on how to be politely assertive because that's her.
00:28:12
And also I want them to come out with the color of lipstick that she's wearing because it's this perfect shade of pinkish red that would actually look good.
00:28:21
I can't wear red because my teeth are yellow. It's a little corn nibble. You're very fair.
00:28:25
I'm very fair with red in my skin. So red lipstick on me makes me look like I have been smoking crack in the alley.
00:28:32
I look like a fucking, what do they call them? A rockabilly. And it's obnoxious.
00:28:38
Yeah. Well, this is like this muted brownish pink lipstick. I bet they make it for her.
00:28:44
There's not even a thing you can fucking buy. Well, we have a fucking lip gloss that was made for us, too,
00:28:50
that that girl sent us. That's right. So the queen, I'm sorry. It's not that fucking special.
00:28:55
But I want the queens because we've started doing coke before. Back to being 14.
00:29:04
So I blended into this very British kind of fancy regal area. Yeah, like controlled.
00:29:14
Yes. And aristocratic, which is, I mean, like if, if I was in that time, I would be like truly the dishwasher in the bottom part of the basement.
00:29:24
Like, do you need a candlestick? And I wouldn't, but with an Irish accent, which for some reason I can't do right now.
00:29:33
So I decided that my murder is going to be that of the infamous, infamous story of Lord Lucan.
00:29:41
Have you ever heard of him? I don't think so. Okay. This one's pretty good because it involves British aristocracy and a
00:29:47
disappearance. You know I love disappearances. All right. So and also I was going to do this story after Remember when we did Harmontown and then we met that British couple outside on the street and they were on their honeymoon Oh my God They were so sweet
00:30:05
They were so sweet and they were just getting tattoos and they were having like this amazing
00:30:09
honeymoon and they'd come to see us. And they didn't even ask for a photo, which is like, they didn't ask, you know, Americans
00:30:14
do that. Yeah. They were, didn't want a photo. They kind of want us to go away a little bit, but they were like, hi, we came to see you.
00:30:20
We came from England to see you, which meant the world to me. We didn't get their names.
00:30:24
Nope. but high shout out if you're still listening. Sweet angels. Pip, pip. That wasn't a fucking pander to the audience
00:30:30
when I said sweet baby angels. No, that was natural. That's natural. It felt very natural.
00:30:34
Thank y'all. So I was thinking of doing Lord Lucan after we met them of like, hey, this is shout out to you,
00:30:41
but that was what, six months ago or something? So I brought this Word document back out
00:30:47
and began to fill it out again. So here's the story of this guy. um he it was born john bingham uh and uh he was born on december 18th 1934 to an aristocratic
00:31:00
family in marleybone which is the funniest name for it's a neighborhood i guess in london oh
00:31:06
you're gonna get i don't care what you say next you're gonna get a correction about like what it
00:31:10
is pronunciation the area it's not in london it's actually in wales it's not a neighborhood
00:31:14
It's a fucking it's fucking in New York. Bye. Yeah, this whole I'm I once again, I'm flying in the face of of logic and just trying to be British once again.
00:31:30
Aim for the fucking nose. Aim for the stars. Aim for that button nose. So this so John Bingham during World War Two, when he was a boy, he was evacuated out of London, out of Marley Bone.
00:31:44
they're gonna be like it's pronounced millibin yeah um he was evacuated to wales and then uh
00:31:52
to canada um and he got to live with his rich like friends of family that sounds nice relatives
00:32:00
yeah who are like crazy rich but then when he came back to england when the war was over
00:32:05
he was sent to eaton college now i was thinking about this in my head but i didn't look look it up
00:32:12
I think over there, Eaton is like a boarding school that's like grammar and high school.
00:32:18
It's not necessarily a college like we think of college. They have like finishing school, right?
00:32:23
Where like you pass your... Where you put a book on your head? Save it if you want to fucking email, text us, tweet us that we're wrong.
00:32:31
It's like a... Someone in England tell us what Eaton College is. No, no. I don't care.
00:32:35
I do care. No, don't tell me. But I think it's... Like a finishing school. I'm going to keep saying that till you agree with me.
00:32:43
This time you said it like you'd been thinking about it and now you've decided it's a finishing
00:32:47
school. I think it's like high school and perhaps. Like a boarding school. Yeah.
00:32:52
Okay. Exactly. Anyhow. Finally, we agree. So when he was there, he supplemented his pocket money with, he was a bookie.
00:33:03
Oh, that's cool, right? Yeah, I think it's very cool. I do too. He had a secret bank account.
00:33:08
Oh my God. And he made money. As a kid? As a kid. My grandfather was a bookie. For real?
00:33:16
Yeah. Barber. The barbershop front. Barber quote unquote. Bookie. Nice. Anyway, sorry.
00:33:22
So this kid, he would leave the school grounds, go to horse races, take bets, and he was like
00:33:28
the school bookie. That's so cool. Love it. Well, the bad part, the uncool part, is that he turned out to be a terrible compulsive gambler
00:33:36
later on. Take that back. But when he's a kid, that's cute. Yeah. So he got the nickname Lucky Lucan after winning 26,000 pounds at the card game Chemin de Feu in Le Touquet.
00:33:54
None of that's real. None of it is meaningful to me in any way. But he won a game, a bunch of pounds.
00:34:02
And so that's what made him think, I'm lucky and I should be doing this all the time.
00:34:09
And so when he got out of school, he was in the army for a little bit, and then he started a job as a merchant banker.
00:34:21
But he had very expensive tastes because he was still an aristocrat. His parents were very, very, what do you call that?
00:34:30
I was going to say staunch, but that's from Grey Gardens. Like what are you? They didn't spend a lot of money.
00:34:37
They were like religious. What's the word? When you try to, I'm like making a gesture on my chest.
00:34:45
Yeah, like frugal. Frugal. Frugal. There we go. This gesture worked for me. How long did that fucking take?
00:34:52
If this podcast is two hours long, it's because we're trying to remember words. Neither of us can.
00:34:56
Who could enjoy this? I don't know. It's madness. Even Steven is like, can you get your fucking shit together?
00:35:03
okay so he had a very expensive taste because he was still an aristocrat at the end of the day and
00:35:11
he was raised you know by rich people in north america um so he his he had taste for the best
00:35:18
russian vodka he liked to race power boats um and then in from this lift of at wikipedia donate
00:35:26
to wikipedia by the way if only just three dollars oh can you donate to wikipedia yeah yeah it's a
00:35:30
thing that they're yeah they're they're actually having like they're kind of like public television
00:35:34
right now i didn't know that and they're trying to get people to to give them money um because they
00:35:40
just they need to stick around i have so many questions i mean i love wikipedia but i won't
00:35:44
ask them right now if you click on there right now the thing will come up to say please give us
00:35:48
three dollars okay and then we'll do it that's yeah i mean it seems fair for all the shit they
00:35:53
give me oh my god the hours i spent when i had the desk job looking at unsolved murders and serial killers And love it So anyway this guy basically he living the life
00:36:06
He likes the best of all things. I was just going to say at the end of this sentence, they were like, he had the best
00:36:12
tastes. He loved the best. You know, he raced boats. He he loved Russian vodka and smart cars, which I think in in England probably means
00:36:21
smart like cool cars but here means tiny toy looking cars that are the stupidest looking cars
00:36:27
you could drive i just time traveled too because those didn't exist right like how cool would that
00:36:32
be if you were just like they're like he invented the smart car yeah all right anyway um he was also
00:36:37
very charismatic he was six foot two with a quote from wikipedia a luxuriant mustache like stevens
00:36:45
and he was once considered to play the role of james bond oh shit so he's that you see a picture
00:36:53
of him on wikipedia he's pretty cute yeah yeah he he he's very british aristocratic looking kind of
00:36:59
like don't piss anyone off i won't it's a high class you know what i mean british thing pointy
00:37:04
nose and kind of like he looks like he'd be like very good hey man my husband my husband is the
00:37:09
spitting image of prince williams so what am i gonna that's exactly right i'm into british dudes
00:37:15
Yeah, no complaints. Also, at one point, he was ranked among the top 10, the world's top 10 backgammon players.
00:37:25
So there you have it. That's kind of cool. Badass. Yeah. Talk about sex. I mean, I don't know what backgammon is exactly, but I bet it's hard.
00:37:33
You know what it is? It's like chess for drunk people is what it is. All right. It still sounds like I don't think I like chess for drunk people to me is like bingo.
00:37:45
Connect four is just for drunk people. Bingo. Okay, so he meets his wife, Veronica Duncan, at a golf club function, and they get married on November 20th, 1963.
00:37:59
And when they get married, so Lord Lugan's finances when he was a young man, and he was gambling so much, it got a little iffy in there because he was just like going for it.
00:38:08
Like, I'm in a boat race. I have to have an Aston Martin. You know, he was like living the life and spending all that money.
00:38:16
So when he marries Veronica Duncan, his father gives him what was called a marriage settlement.
00:38:22
So he gets a big chunk of money to buy a house, to prepare for having kids like this whole.
00:38:28
So he's basically kind of like up in up in the in the black sexist. Got it. Two months after he gets married, I called him old man.
00:38:38
Lucan. Old man Lucan dies of a stroke. And so John Bingham inherits 250,000 pounds and his father's
00:38:47
titles, which are Earl of Lucan, Baron Lucan of Castlebar, Baron Lucan of Melcom,
00:38:53
Lucan and Baronet Bingham of Castlebar. I don't know what any of this means. It's meaningless.
00:38:59
So cue the mean emails. It's not meaningless. It's super meaningless. Don't shoot foxes. Right,
00:39:07
everybody uh okay so the problem is that he has a very serious gambling problem so at first it was
00:39:15
hot and cute and he's james bond and after a while it's like put the fucking backgammon down
00:39:19
what are you doing um and he's spending still spending money like an aristocrat so he's like
00:39:24
you know he's he's got a open account at savile row taylor's you know what i mean people are
00:39:30
making clothing for him yeah look at you karen i know i want to be rich really bad. Do you? Really bad. Really? Not just rich, though. I want to be like Lord Lucan. I want to
00:39:43
be an aristocrat. What would you do? I guess I would just drink and smoke cigarettes all day.
00:39:51
Because you can just do it at that point. Yeah, you can kind of, yeah, you can just kind of,
00:39:56
well, it's the same thing you can do if you were basically a bum. Remember that intervention where
00:40:01
the woman had inherited so much money that she was like, why should I not be an alcoholic? And
00:40:05
And then they were going to take her to a rehab that was like a 14-hour, like a five-hour flight.
00:40:10
But she insisted on getting a limo because she wanted to bring her cats with her.
00:40:13
So she put her cats in the limo. Oh, look at her vests. Holy shit. She took a cat road trip?
00:40:19
Yeah. She put cat boxes in the limo. Like, she's me if I just had a shit head. And no one could say anything to her because she wasn't going to lose anything.
00:40:29
Did it work? Did she get sober? I don't know. Hopefully there's a follow-up. I stopped watching that because it's real depressing.
00:40:38
It turns out she ate all those cats. She got really drunk and then she got hungry and she ate those cats.
00:40:43
Oh, it was poor baby. I mean, sorry. Fucking right field. Loving it. Left field.
00:40:49
There's a downside to being an addict. I think we all know this. We've tried to tell you over and over.
00:40:55
Yeah. Okay. So he and his wife have three kids, George and Camilla, and a third one that for some
00:41:05
reason isn't on this list. And some of, you know, the youngest kid never matters.
00:41:09
Am I wrong? Yeah, seriously. I'm living that life. That's why we're murder podcasters.
00:41:14
Yeah, that's why we're doing what we do. So Veronica is struggling because she also has three kids in this very short amount of
00:41:21
time, of course. So she's struggling with postnatal depression. Honey. Um, and Lord Lucan takes her for treatment at a psychiatric clinic.
00:41:31
She refused to be admitted, but she did agree to home visits from a psychiatrist and taking
00:41:36
course of antidepressants. So she's trying to take care of it, but she won't like, you know, really go take a full
00:41:43
break or whatever. She's like, I can handle this. Well, then that combined with the pressures of maintaining their finances and his, I mean,
00:41:51
he, I read this thing. I didn include it but there was a thing of how he would spend his days Oh my God It so hilarious because he would get up and eat breakfast and then go to his gaming club and just gamble all afternoon All he did was gamble
00:42:05
Yeah. And you know he was probably drinking too. Of course. And then he would come home and get dressed
00:42:10
and then put on like his tuxedo to go out. Reaking of cigarettes probably. Oh yeah.
00:42:14
And you can't wash that off after a while. And then he just went out to drink and eat
00:42:18
and smoke and gamble more. That was just, that's all he did all the time. I would have, that's not postnatal depression.
00:42:23
That's fucking depression. Yeah. That she had. Because she was like, what the fuck?
00:42:28
This is not what I fucking went to finishing school for. So basically in the two weeks after a very strained family Christmas in 1972, Lord Luke had moved out.
00:42:40
And then they get into this bitter custody battle. And the justice awards custody to Veronica.
00:42:49
Divorce didn't happen back then. Yeah, it wasn't good. And I'm sure for aristocrats, you could push him off the couch.
00:42:56
Elvis is ripping up Karen's notes. My precious writing. Okay. So, so she is awarded custody of the three kids and that's all he wanted.
00:43:10
And so why would he want just to fuck with her? Right? Well, no, no, no. He really, I'm sure really loved his children and it was very important to him.
00:43:17
But also, I think it was part of this thing that he didn't think she was a fit mother.
00:43:22
Knowing that she had postnatal depression, I think he was partly worried. And then also partly he was an addict and needed to control things.
00:43:31
Maybe. I don't know. There's something going on. He gets awarded like every other weekend visit.
00:43:38
And he gets really obsessive about it. So he starts spying on her to prove she's an unfit mother.
00:43:44
He's recording their phone conversations. he becomes fixated on her and what's happening.
00:43:51
He also is, his drinking gets really bad and his gambling, he goes crazy with the gambling and all of his friends are like,
00:43:58
he's in a downward spiral. And then all of a sudden the week of November 7th in 1974,
00:44:06
he seems to like suddenly be, pull it together. And he, there's a couple store firsthand stories of people who,
00:44:16
um, like had dinner with him and he, they tried to talk to him about what's going on with the kids and he changes
00:44:21
the topic to politics. And so they're like, Oh, maybe he's rounded the corner. Maybe it's out of his system.
00:44:26
Yeah. Um, so on the evening of November 7th, 1974, um, he had a bunch of plans with people that he didn't,
00:44:35
he just didn't show up. Uh, and that night the children's nanny, Sandra Rivett puts the younger children to bed.
00:44:43
and at about 8 55 she asks Veronica if she if she'd like a cup of tea and um so she heads
00:44:52
downstairs to the basement kitchen so there that's a fucking sweet ass mansion yeah I'll go down to
00:45:00
the to the maid's kitchen I'm not going to use your nice high class kitchen to make tea so she
00:45:05
goes downstairs to the basement kitchen to make Veronica some tea and as she enters the room she
00:45:11
is bludgeoned to death with a lead pipe a piece of bandit bandaged lead pipe and her killer places
00:45:18
her body in a canvas mail sack um so meanwhile upstairs lady lucan wonders what's delaying the
00:45:28
nanny so she walks down the first floor stairs to see what's happened and she calls um from from
00:45:36
the top part of the stairs she calls down to rivet um and to see what's going on and the guy
00:45:44
comes up and attacks her with the lead pipe as well oh my god and um she starts screaming for
00:45:49
her life the attacker tells her to shut up and that's when lady lucan knows she tells the cops
00:45:55
later that she knows it's her husband so she survives this guy's got like a mask on or something
00:46:01
uh i think the lights were out like it was dark so she's kind of calling down she doesn't know
00:46:06
what's going on and then this guy comes up and she thinks she's just getting attacked and then
00:46:11
she realizes it's her husband according to her um so they get into this fight she bites his fingers
00:46:17
um she he throws her face down in the carpet and she man she manages to turn around and squeeze his
00:46:23
testicles good girl releasing steven steven just steven just really felt that yeah um and causing
00:46:31
him to release his grip on her throat and give up the fight uh she asks where rivet is and lucan
00:46:38
was at first evasive then eventually admits that he just killed her so what they believe is that he
00:46:44
thinks he thought it was veronica walking into the basement kitchen he was trying to kill his wife
00:46:50
and he accidentally killed the nanny so this is according to lady lucan so lady lucan um
00:46:57
is terrified she tells him she'll help him escape if he would just well she's trying to get okay so
00:47:05
she says i'll help you escape you just have to stay here for a couple days and hide out
00:47:09
and allow my injuries to heal because she's been hit with the lead pipe and everything oh my god so
00:47:14
um lucan uh she walks upstairs oh i'm sorry lord lucan the the oldest daughter um wakes up so he
00:47:25
goes to put her to bed and she and then the wife veronica goes in to the bedroom lays down she's
00:47:33
bleeding and he puts down towels for her and like don't get don't get the bedding stained with blood
00:47:39
weird so he asks her does she have any barbiturates he goes into the bathroom to get a towel and
00:47:47
supposedly clean her face and that's when lady lucan realizes that um he won't be able to hear
00:47:53
her if he's in the bathroom. Yeah. And so she runs out of the house with their kids still there though.
00:47:58
Yeah. Yeah. But I think she knew that he didn't want that it was about her and that the attack was about her.
00:48:05
Right. Because she also did report earlier that he had once hit her with a cane and once tried to push her down the stairs.
00:48:13
So there he had gotten physical with her before. But he I think she trusted that he wasn't going to harm their children.
00:48:20
Yeah. I mean, crazy. That's what it seemed like. Hi, I'm Chris Fairbanks. And I'm Karen Kilgariff.
00:48:27
We host Do You Need a Ride, the mobile comedy podcast that answers the question,
00:48:31
what does it sound like when we drive our comedian friends around the wild streets of Los Angeles?
00:48:35
Yes, every week we pick up a hilarious guest, maybe run some errands, share some laughs, and our dreams.
00:48:42
Like when Martha Kelly shared her career pivot. I want to become an influencer of divorced moms whose kids have gone off to college
00:48:50
who have decided they're going to start living life for themselves. Or the time Baron Vaughn got distracted by the majestic scenery.
00:48:58
Then there's a freaking deer right there on the side of the road. Oh, that's holy shit.
00:49:01
Eating freaking road grass. Road grass. I wish you said glass. New episodes drop every Monday on the Exactly Right Network.
00:49:09
Listen to Do You Need a Ride on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
00:49:16
Thank you. You're welcome. How much do you weigh, Wanda? Right now, I'm about 130.
00:49:20
I'm at 183. We should race. No, I want to leave here with my original hips. On the podcast, The Matchup with Aaliyah, I pair prominent female athletes with unexpected guests.
00:49:29
On a recent episode, I sat down with undisputed boxing champ, Claressa Shields, and comedian Wanda Sykes to talk about Wanda's new movie, Undercard,
00:49:37
the art of trash talk and what it really means to be ladylike. Open your free iHeartRadio app, search The Matchup with Aaliyah and listen now.
00:49:43
Brought to you by Novartis, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports Network. In 2023, a story gripped the UK.
00:49:52
evoking horror and disbelief. The nurse who should have been in charge of caring for tiny babies
00:49:58
is now the most prolific child killer in modern British history. Everyone thought they knew how it ended.
00:50:05
A verdict, a villain, a nurse named Lucy Letby. Lucy Letby has been found guilty.
00:50:12
But what if we didn't get the whole story? The moment you look at the whole picture, the case collapses.
00:50:18
I'm Amanda Knox, and in the new podcast, Doubt, The Case of Lucy Letby, we follow the evidence and hear from the people that lived it
00:50:25
to ask what really happened when the world decided who Lucy Letby was. No voicing of any skepticism or doubt.
00:50:35
It'll cause so much harm at every single level if the British establishment of this is wrong.
00:50:40
Listen to Doubt, The Case of Lucy Letby. You can binge all episodes now on iHeart Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
00:50:48
so she runs out of the house and she runs to a nearby public house called the plumber's arms
00:50:55
oh let's go get a drink there we have to go to a pub called the plumber's arms so what like big
00:51:02
hairy arms with a tattoo like what kind of bulldog tattoo is that yeah a bulldog would be good yeah
00:51:09
or um an anchor of course of course an anchor or maybe just a just a queen elizabeth's face i mean
00:51:17
And she's a badass. Everybody loves her. Everyone loves. Okay. Okay. So the police,
00:51:22
they call the police. The police go to the house. But meanwhile, Lord Lucanus called his own mother
00:51:28
and tells her of a terrible catastrophe that's happened at his wife's home. He tells his mother,
00:51:37
you have to come here and get the children. Then he drives a borrowed car to his friend's house
00:51:44
in Uckfield, East Sussex. and then hours later he leaves that property leaves the car there and he never seen again and has never been seen No Swear to God No So that car was found He the one missing Yes
00:52:04
He's the one missing. He disappeared. He disappeared. So. No, this is, I was not expecting that.
00:52:10
Yeah. James Bond is out and about. Dude. He, the car was found abandoned in New Haven and the interior was stained with blood.
00:52:19
and the trunk had a piece, boot, for those of our friends in England, had a piece of
00:52:25
bandaged lead pipe similar to the one found at the crime scene. So there's one that a nanny was killed
00:52:31
with that was left at the crime scene and there's another one that's in this borrowed car.
00:52:35
And we don't know what, why was all the blood in the car and we don't know what that led. He was
00:52:41
covered in blood. Okay. And I don't know if there were two. There's no explanation. It's just, I'm not sure.
00:52:47
Holy shit. But then also, he left a letter to the owner of the car that said, my dear Michael.
00:52:55
So he basically borrows this car from this guy. He's like, hey, can I borrow your car for a while?
00:52:59
And then just gets blood all in it, abandons it. He's crazy. And he says, my dear Michael, I have had a traumatic night of unbelievable coincidence.
00:53:08
However, I won't bore you with anything or involve you except to say that when you come
00:53:13
across my children, which I hope you will. Please tell them that you knew me and that all I cared
00:53:18
about was them. The fact that a crooked solicitor and a rotten psychiatrist destroyed me between them
00:53:24
will be of no importance to the children. I gave Bill Shandkid, which is his brother-in-law,
00:53:30
I gave Bill Shandkid an account of what actually happened, but judging by my last effort in court,
00:53:36
no one, yet alone a 67-year-old judge, would believe, and I no longer care, except that my
00:53:42
children should be protected yours ever john so he's basically saying whatever happened at the
00:53:47
house was some weird coincidence that he happened upon his excuses that and i think there was a it
00:53:53
was in a different letter that he walked into the house and his wife was being attacked by an
00:53:58
intruder which the wife is like no i'll tell you exactly how it happened like step by step yeah
00:54:03
and then also you can trace it all back to the car and the blood and everything else point the
00:54:08
fucking way so they put out a warrant for his arrest uh a couple days later and in his absence
00:54:15
the inquest into rivets death named him as her murderer which was the last time ever that
00:54:22
britain's coroner's court was ever allowed to do that so they were basically like this guy did it
00:54:28
oh without a trial yeah um so a thorough search of new haven downs was judged impossible i don't
00:54:36
know if that's what's new haven downs what's a thorough search what's anything in this fucking
00:54:42
world like um i pictured new haven downs to be just full of a bunch of brambles charming as
00:54:50
fuck it's like the moors but brambly brambles everywhere brambles and scones or scones
00:54:56
a partial search was made using tracker dogs although all that was found were the skeletal
00:55:03
remains of a judge who had disappeared years earlier i'm sorry what yes yes so they when they
00:55:08
do search new haven downs this impossible to search area they unrelated unrelated they find
00:55:16
skeletal remains of a judge all right maybe maybe how about once a year you search new haven downs
00:55:22
get some fucking puppies out there yeah they love doing it give them a run around it's fun for them
00:55:27
find a judge um police diverged search the harbor so basically they went everywhere and tried to
00:55:34
find this guy this guy's more important than a fucking judge yeah that's right clearly he's a
00:55:37
bigger deal yeah he is among the top 10 backgammon players in the world you have to find him must find
00:55:44
him they don't find so basically they can't find anything they used uh infrared photography
00:55:49
I don see where smart cars smartphones so a warrant for Lukin arrest to answer charges of murdering Sandra Rivett and attempting to murder his wife was issued on Tuesday November 12th 1974
00:56:09
And descriptions of his appearance were issued to Interpol. So it could be international.
00:56:18
And, of course, all across the UK. So apparently it's since that time been a great British pastime to theorize where Lord Lucan is.
00:56:30
And people love saying they saw him places. So the reports have been coming in pretty consistently year after year saying, I saw Lord Lucan there.
00:56:40
there. And so some of the places they have reported him seeing him was as a hippie dropout in Goa,
00:56:50
which I don't know. I don't know where that is. Where he was known, they said he was known there
00:56:55
as Jungle Berry. As you do. The best nickname of all time. They said he was about backpacking on
00:57:03
Mount Etna. Someone said they saw him working on a sheep station in the Australian Outback.
00:57:08
Yeah. Those all sound like things people who run away from life would do. Yeah. To get as far away as possible.
00:57:15
Yeah. Like trying to not have an identity anymore. Right. Which would make sense. Yeah.
00:57:20
But John Aspinall, who is the owner of the Claremont Gaming Club, which is the place he used to go like around lunchtime every single day, said, told the news, I find it difficult to imagine him in Brazil or Haiti as a fugitive.
00:57:33
I don't think he has the capacity to adapt. which is kind of rough. There was also a rumor.
00:57:41
Aspinall owned a private zoo and so there was a rumor that he was cut up and fed to the tigers at that zoo
00:57:48
and Aspinall, when told that rumor, responded, my tigers are only fed the Choices cuts.
00:57:56
Do you really think they're going to eat stringy old Lucky? Oh my God. The most plausible theory is that he drowned himself
00:58:04
in the channel. That's what most people think. But this is just an interesting, another coincidental thing.
00:58:14
13 years later, so when they had that nanny, Sandra Rivett was their nanny, but they had had a nanny right before her.
00:58:26
And her name was Krista Bell. I can't find her last name. Bell. Krista Bell Bell.
00:58:35
You don't see it. But her name is Christabel something or other. And turns out she was married to an economist named Nicholas Boyce.
00:58:46
And on October 10th, 1985, Nicholas Boyce was sent to prison for dismembering his wife and dumping her pieces of her body around London.
00:58:56
So it was her. The nanny one before this one that got caught up also was murdered by her fancy husband.
00:59:07
So fancy husbands are just fucking running amok. Which I thought was... Oh, and also they convicted him of manslaughter, but not murder.
00:59:16
And he was sentenced to six years in jail. Oh, that's no big deal. No big. Just kill her and throw her arms and legs around the city.
00:59:23
Yeah, so... Cannot. that's the story oh sorry it was christabel 32 was a former governess of the children to lord
00:59:32
of lord lucan who vanished without a trace after another nanny was battered to death at his home
00:59:37
do you think he did it what killed lucan or whatever the fuck killed the second nanny
00:59:43
the first nanny oh hell yes wait both nannies no no no no the second one got killed by your
00:59:49
husband oh okay later okay that was later on 13 years later the second nanny gets killed in what is a coincidence but is super creepy because what the fuck is going on I thought it was the first Okay Yeah no But the first I sure the way everything adds up It just basically where did he go after Did he immediately kill himself Or did he actually go He DB Cooper Yeah Did he shave that that luxuriant mustache off and go live somewhere for a while You could go anywhere you want back then
01:00:18
And also with all his money. Oh, fine. Charming and, you know, Dapper. He probably went to like Monte Carlo or something.
01:00:25
That's what I was thinking too. How old is he now? How old would he be? Is he dead?
01:00:30
He's dead now. He was proclaimed to be dead. I don't know, but like how old would he be?
01:00:35
Like in his, the article that I said where they proclaimed him dead, I think they said he was like, would have been 81 or 82.
01:00:44
That's livable, especially if you're living the fucking backgammon high life fucking Monte Carlo.
01:00:48
Backgammon doesn't take that much out of you. No. Yeah. No. And if you're just pickled with gin,
01:00:53
you can live for a really long time. I bet you he's still alive. I mean, it'd be pretty cool.
01:00:58
We should make a rule that people have to confess stuff on their death. Like, on their deathbed,
01:01:02
they have to confess things. Like, you're not... Yeah. That'd be nice. Wouldn't it?
01:01:07
Just to solve a couple of mysteries. Yeah, like, don't take shit to your grave. Yeah.
01:01:12
You're being a selfish dick. So that's my good times high class murder mystery from England. Never heard that one.
01:01:19
Please let us know all the mistakes from that one as soon as you can. Or don't. Or go, you know,
01:01:27
every time you get mad at this podcast, go give $3 to Wikipedia. We're going to solve all of
01:01:33
Wikipedia's problems. Wikipedia's going to be like... They're going to be like, thank you. We got an influx
01:01:37
of thousands and thousands of dollars. So much money. I love that story. Just privilege
01:01:45
on full display. Thank you so much for listening. Again, you can find me as the co-host of
01:01:52
I Saw What You Did podcast here on the Exactly Right Network with Millie DiCirico.
01:01:57
I just wrote a book. It's called The Ugly Cry. It's out now. And don't forget to stay sexy
01:02:03
and don't get murdered. Elvis, do you want a cookie? Your husband is not who you think he is.
01:02:10
Your body is not what you thought it was. Your identity is formed by a secret history.
01:02:16
I'm Dani Shapiro, and these are just a few of the stunning stories I'll be exploring
01:02:20
on the 14th season of Family Secrets. He kind of shoved me out of the way and said, move.
01:02:26
And he went out the front door and he jumped in a car and drove off, and that was the last time
01:02:30
I saw him. Listen to season 14 of Family Secrets on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,
01:02:36
or wherever you get your podcasts. Just like great shoes, great books take you places.
01:02:42
Through unforgettable love stories, and into conversations with characters you'll never forget.
01:02:48
I think any good romance, it gives me this feeling of like butterflies. I'm Danielle Robay, and this is Bookmarked by Risa's Book Club
01:02:55
from Hello Sunshine and iHeart Podcast, where we dive into the stories that shape us on the page and off.
01:03:03
Each week, I'm joined by authors, celebs, book talk stars, and more for conversations that will make you laugh, cry,
01:03:09
and add way too many books to your TBR pile. Listen to Bookmarked by Reese's Book Club on the iHeartRadio app,
01:03:16
Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Brought to you by Cotton, the fabric of our lives.
01:03:22
Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, Nick?
01:03:25
Huge news. We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. How do we actually come up with the name Hey Jonas, guys?
01:03:32
I honestly don't remember. We were talking about a fit for the podcast where people could call in and say,
01:03:36
Hey Jonas, and then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title.
01:03:42
for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the iHeartRadio app,
01:03:47
Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it.