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This is exactly right. Brown, who broke the explosive story on Jeffrey Epstein in 2018. The Justice Department, through
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we counted four presidential administrations, failed these victims. Listen to Bleep with Anna
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Navarro on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Nancy Glass,
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host of the Burden of Guilt Season 2 podcast. This is a story about a horrendous lie that
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I was a monster. Listen to Burden of Guilt Season 2 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever
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My favorite murder Hello! Helio! Helio and welcome to... My favorite murder, the Minya-sode.
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Minya-sode. The Minions-sode. This is a Vespache by the Minions. God, they're funny.
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They're little. Sometimes they have two eyes. Sometimes they have one eye. The way they talk is adorable.
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It's babble, but you also understand what they're trying to say. This episode isn't brought to you by Minions.
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If so, it'd be millionaires right now. But I really did like that. Like, surprised the shit out of myself by, like, just being really bored one time and turning that on and being, like, delighted by it.
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Oh, the Despicable Me franchise is rock solid in terms of comedy. I've watched all of those movies with my niece.
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The first one, we loved it so much. we watched it all the time it's so cute it's so funny and so cute charming um but that's not what
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this is about this is about the minions now we're gonna not get charming and cute and read you your
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fucked up stories that you send us do you understand that life is about contrast and that
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when you have the charming and cute you come under it hard with the horrifying yes my dad nearly had
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me kidnapped. Uh-oh. Hi, all. So, it was 1996. My dad was looking to sell his car. A man interested
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in purchasing said car comes over to take a look. My dad's out front giving the man a tour of the
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car. A tour of the car. Toddler Ellie running around while he is doing so. After a while,
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my dad comes back into the house and mom asks how he got on. Oh, they must be Brits. Oh. All good.
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He is just taking it out for a test drive, dad replies. My mom then asks if it was a good idea
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to letting him take the car by himself. Fair question, because who in their right mind
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lets a stranger take their car for a drive unsupervised? Don't panic, folks. My dad had it covered, and he replied to my mom and said,
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No, it's all right. Ellie's in the back. What? Wait, how old is she? She said she's a toddler running around.
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What? Toddler Ellie running around. I can only imagine what followed was a lot of hysteria
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and foul language being thrown at my dad from my very frazzled mother. I came back though, so it's cool.
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And that is a true and mildly, not so mildly alarming story of my near kidnapping experience
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and my dad's wonderful parenting skills. Can we just take a second to imagine the poor man being trusted to take the car out
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alone with a random child in the back? That aside. It's so crazy. If I was that mother,
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I would have slapped him forward and back. If I was the person taking the car for a test drive,
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I'd be like, I don't trust you and leave. Right. I mean, because was she in a toddler seat?
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Probably. Was she just like sitting around in the back seat? Who fucking knows? It sounds like she was just wandering around.
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It does sound like she was just in the car. Yeah. Get in. Take the car for a test drive with this nice man.
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Hold this beer. That aside, and believe it or not, my dad is actually a truly amazing man and an incredible
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father. Unfortunately, I only got a short 19 years with him as he passed away in 2013.
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I miss him dearly and have many, many more stories of this wonderful, crazy man who was at times clearly way too trusting.
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And for that, I am blessed. Thank you guys for everything you do. Weird to think that listening to two funny chicks talk about murder is a sort of escapism for my severe anxiety.
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But hey, whatever floats your boat. Right. I'm clearly not alone. Stay sexy and don't send your daughter off in a car with strangers.
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Ellie. Ellie, you're not alone. Also, I wonder if some of her anxiety is very deep seated early trust of your parents skills.
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Who is minding the shop to be like, I just don't feel safe in life. Well, he's not going to steal the car because he has our child.
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Right. Right. Oh, my God. OK, subject line. Canadian folk dancing murder plot. Perfect.
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Dear Karen, Georgia and all furry beings, Stephen and his mustache included. Oh, I'm.
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that's cute oh i'm from a city that's at the southernmost tip of canada right across the river
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from detroit when i was younger my parents enrolled my brother and i in folk dancing as
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an attempt to keep our eastern european culture alive go for it uh right the um through dancing
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we met our core group of friends and as we got older our troop started traveling across north
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america for performances and festivals sexy well other groups took their dancing seriously we were
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just in it for the fun. We had three dances that we recycled for years. I mean, who's going to be
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like I seen that one before Oh this old bullshit We know We were more focused on hosting the after parties in our hotel room the tender age of 15 Yes That what it all about That right That why you dance That why you travel
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That's the passion of the dance is beer in the hotel room afterwards. It was so bad that our coach would have to bribe us by saying,
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okay, if you don't get drunk before your performance, I'll buy you guys alcohol afterwards to celebrate.
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That's what you said to me, basically. When you were like, don't drink before shows.
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I'll buy you drinks after. Just please. Let's save them all up. It'll be more special.
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I'll wait. Fine. Riley, you buy it. Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something.
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Okay. That's hilarious. In our group was a guy named Petar. P-E-T-A-R. Okay. And he was sort of the outcast because he smelled a little funny, always had clammy hands,
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and basically looked like his family enjoyed liver and onions for dinner multiple times
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a week. Oh, dear. What? He had beautiful skin and a luxurious coat. Is that what you think?
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I'm not sure. I don't know what I think. As we hit college age, the group stopped dancing.
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I think that's good. Yeah, it's a good time to quit. But maintained our close friendship, all except Pitar.
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Pitar. We would see him from time to time, but no one really kept up with him until dot, dot, dot.
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One day we saw his name in the news and that he had been arrested for trying to kidnap and murder two sisters from our church.
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Pitar sang in our church choir. He was also the altar boy for like ever. The girl's father was the choir director and they would practice at his home.
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Pitar used to memorize that used this time to memorize the girl's house and find out their schedule, like when they would be home alone or when the house would be empty.
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Then he went on the Internet, maybe the dark web and found a forum of other would be murderers and asked them for fucking advice on how he could go about kidnapping and murdering these two sisters.
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Little did he know, he was chatting with an undercover cop. Of course. Of course.
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Ding dong. I feel like all of the dark web is just undercover cops. Yeah. Luckily, thankfully, sorry, he was arrested before he could do anything.
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In his room, they found multiple shrines to the oldest sister, rope, knives, and other
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murderers' paraphernalia. Oh, my God. Paytar was sent to prison, and the sisters were shipped off to Europe by their parents,
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and no one has heard from them since. What? I remember always telling myself to be nice to him in case he lost his shit and attacked
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us all guess my 15 year old murdering our self was right ssdgm me wow yeah that's a good one
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that is how you hometown that's right all right this one's called my grandmother was kidnapped
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and then in parentheses it says she's okay um hi wonderful women pets and steven my grandmother
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used to work at a as a nurse's aide in an insane asylum in connecticut in the 60s fairfield hills
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was a psychiatric hospital in Newtown, Connecticut, that opened in the 30s and closed in the 90s.
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The massive campus still stands vacant. And of course, there are stories of hauntings
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because, I mean, it's an empty former insane asylum, for Christ's sake. When my Nana worked there,
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each employee would go to a central building to clock in every morning and then report to the building they worked in.
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This is a sprawling campus with dozens of buildings, and it was the middle of winter.
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So my grandmother ran into the main building, leaving her car unlocked, checked in, and ran back to her car to drive to her assigned building.
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After she turned on the car, she was suddenly shocked when a man popped up from the back seat,
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wrapped her neck with a piece of rope, and said, Drive. No. She did as she was instructed.
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He gave random orders to turn left, right, seemingly not having a destination in mind,
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but he ended up having her drive about 20 minutes to North Waterbury, Connecticut,
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where he jumped out of the car and bolted. Thankfully, because she had checked into work but didn't show up minutes later,
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to her assigned building the staff immediately knew something was wrong apparently this man was
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one of the patients who had escaped his room and was looking to get as far away from fairfield hills
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as possible my nana was just in the wrong place at the wrong time listen to this fucking thing
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right here ready okay they never did find the guy oh as far as i know but the rope he used to hold
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my grandmother was raw it was a raw ragged thing and it wore down the skin around her neck to the
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point where later on an EMT told her that if had worn even a tiny bit further, it would
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for sure have cut her corroded artery. Wow. Carotid? Carotid, yeah. Corroded artery.
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Well, it would have corroded her carotid. Exactly. My Nana is one of the most badass women I know whose favorite phrase is, I don't get mad,
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I get even. She turned 92 years old this year and would still manage to stay sexy and not get murdered
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in any situation she was in. finally even though this story is about someone breaking out of an insane asylum i don't want to
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diminish uh mental health issues in any way so i just want to thank you both for normalizing and
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being so up front with your mental health fairfield hills hills was a place where people like you or
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me would be locked and up and forgotten that's right and i'm glad that it's closed and we're
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slowly moving toward a point where people can seek help without the threat of stigma
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and that's definitely thanks to women like you oh oh ssdgm lauren god that's so scary
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fucking terrifying nana did that can you did that happen at night it doesn't sound well she got i
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mean she i got to work in my mind it was the daytime yeah you know what i mean but i was just
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immediately because you know there's that it made me think of that um there's the urban myth that
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was going around for a little while warning people at the mall like to check because there's that
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story of the girl that gets in the car and there's a guy in the back seat or whatever but that that
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idea like my car i can see in yeah and even when i get into my car i'll still look back and just
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make sure i do once in a while when it's really dark do a little checky check yeah just in case
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yeah okay now you go this subject line is near kidnapping near kidnapping miss lighthearted
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okay hi mfm fam so my mom and her all and all her nine brothers and sisters grew up in pacoyma
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california which as georgia says even though she grew up around los angeles she still has no idea
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where it is i stand by that uh you probably know it from la bomba as richie valens grew up there
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too yes yes best movie anyway they lived about a block away from the elementary school they all
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and most of their children later on attended one day my aunt was walking home alone from first grade
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early 70s am i right go home yep good luck you're six uh when a strange let's ask the
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seven listening right now how much would that freak you out if you had to walk alone for four blocks to your house imagine they they don do it anymore no it not and most of us had more than four blocks to walk
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yeah i think we had a solid two miles yeah uphill yeah okay both ways both ways um okay so she's
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walking home alone from first grade when a strange man in a car calls her over and tries to lure her
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in with the phrase oh no come eat chicken no that's not gonna work on a six-year-old sorry
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she was of course freaked to the f out and ran home crying where she promptly told her eight
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other brothers and sisters what happened i guess since older siblings can be assholes and she did
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make it home they teased her about it for years using chasing her around and calling come eat
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Oh my God. At her. This near kidnapping was used as a cautionary tale for all the kids in our family to show
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that you don't have to be far from home to be taken. But also everyone will make fun of you about it.
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That's right. That's that. Usually it's in your worst time. Yeah. Your siblings will find a thing to hang over your head for the rest of your life.
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When my own son at eight years old tried to convince me that he was old enough to walk
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the block home from his own elementary school i told him this story as one of the reasons why
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close to home doesn't always mean safe when i was done he looked up at me with wide brown eyes
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burst out laughing and said only why chicken i guess kids don't scare as easily as they used to
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anyway my five sisters and i love the show wow five sisters that's six there's six sisters
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all together what's wrong with your brothers what's that what's wrong with your brothers
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why do they hate us oh because they don't like fucking vocal fry fuck you whoops ssd jam veronica
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that was a great story veronica oh come eat chicken come eat chicken i picture it's the
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it's the most interesting man in the world from the dosakis commercial sitting in a shitty car
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and actually he really just wanted to feed her like his new recipe of like the best chicken
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in the fucking world. That's right. He's like, you must try this. My spice is so spicy.
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It's been brining in beer. Alright. And just a drop of mayonnaise. Ew. What? I'm a chef. Oh, right.
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A drop of mayonnaise. Mayonnaise. Mayonnaise. Why is it so loose that it's dropping? Ew.
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Ew. You know why? Because I left it out in the sun. Picture the smell of mayonnaise right now. Go ahead.
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I'm going to let you do it. No. It's so sour. Yuck. Do it. Because you making me do that now, you know my mayonnaise memory is when my mom would deep condition her hair on the weekends by putting mayonnaise in her hair.
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Like me. Wrapping it with saran wrap. And she had long nails and she would get mayonnaise under her nails.
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Oh, yeah. And it was. Why I did that. A nightmare. No, I remember that of this just disgusting smell.
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Yeah. But the softest hair. I mean, really nice hair. She has the softest smelly hair.
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It smelled like for two shampoos after. All right, listen. Look, you can afford Alberto VO5 now.
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I can afford a $1.99 pack of fucking single-use Alberto VO5. That's right. Heat it up in a glass of hot water.
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That's right. I'm Bailey Taylor, and this is It Girl. This podcast is all about going deeper with the women shaping culture right now.
00:16:56
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and the real work behind it all. As a woman in the industry, you're always underestimated.
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So you have to work extra hard in a way that doesn't compromise who you are and your integrity.
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You know, I like to say I was kind of like a silent ninja. Listen to It Girl with Bailey Taylor on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Every story has a point where it's balanced on a knife's edge. That's where we begin.
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For some, it's a confrontation no parent ever expects. They finally admit, we're here to take your children.
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The department has taken custody and we're here to take your kids. It was just shock and horror and desperation.
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That one time the FBI swore my grandmother's farm. Yes. Here we go. This is what I'm in it for.
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It's just, hi. Great. I spent the last few weeks putting together a family tree for my mom who is obsessed with
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genealogy but can't use a computer to save her life. Good. At least she can admit it.
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Here's the problem. Computers can't save your life. They can only ruin it. Well, except for those computers that restart your heart when you're dying.
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Or the ones that were around your neck and you press the button. Life alert. I've fallen and I can't get up.
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That incredibly advanced computer can save your life. That's right. In doing so, I've been able to find records on my maternal family dating back to the 1500s.
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And even older ones from my paternal grandfather. Crazy. But I was having a hell of a time finding anything about my paternal grandmother.
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I was to the point that I was convinced she was a criminal when I remembered an interest
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she did with a local university. Oh. I was delighted listening to my late Nan tell stories from her childhood when she casually
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mentions the time her family's farmhouse was swarmed by the FBI in 1932. Yes. Yes.
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As she tells it, her entire family had gathered on the porch to witness two black cars driving up the lane through a cloud of dust.
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I can fucking see it in the movie version Tall blue sky in the background with green fields on either side That right And blowing up that dirt driveway Old tiny fucking FBI cars Hardly any windows It all the metal
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black metal. No air conditioning. No. And they have hats on. That's right. Before the cars were
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fully stopped, all of the agents had jumped out and were shouting. She couldn't understand what
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anyone was saying. All she knew was that her mother and blonde haired blue eyed baby sister
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were sobbing and her brother was screaming, take the diaper off. What? Turns out one of the town's folks called in a tip claiming that my nan's family were
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the ones that kidnapped the Lindbergh baby. And her brilliant brother was saying to take the diaper off to prove that their sibling
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was a girl. Yes, for fuck's sake. Clearly the Lindbergh kidnapping was big news if a child in a small Minnesota town knew
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enough to know that the baby was a boy. my favorite part about this whole ordeal is that she never told me anything about it nor did my dad
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apparently i got my murderino tendencies from my mama mckenzie yes that's rad that's a beautiful
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that's perfect hometown story perfection in all ways and also i went what a genius uncle or
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he wasn't an uncle whoever the guy that said the boy take the diaper off yeah that's so because in
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those moments you get all you know yeah you don't panic and dazzled and you don't show her the
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vagina just get that vag out there that's essentially what he's saying prove that shit
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fine i want you to yell it to me one day i hope one day of my life take off the diaper georgia
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take it off and prove who you are i don't want to okay all right here's the last one uh
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uh the subject line is my mom invited thieves into our home and then parentheses and almost a kidnapping.
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Hey guys, when I was 10 years old, my mom, a very naive lady, befriended a couple at our local grocery store.
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I remember them talking to each other for a while and they seemed like really nice people.
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It was a man and a woman in their 40s. So, of course, they seem like a trustworthy couple to my hilarious mom.
00:22:08
They somehow convinced my mom to let them come to our apartment. And I remember that they were in our apartment with us for about an hour.
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these people then managed to convince my mom that they will replace all the electronics in our
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apartment with newer better quality ones and so they proceed to fill up their van with all of our
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stuff what the fuck i totally i totally remember being very concerned about what was going on
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and turning to my mom like what are you doing of course me being 10 i assumed she knew better than
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me so I let it go as these people were leaving the woman turns to my mom and says let us take
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the baby we promise we'll bring him back with the rest of the stuff she was talking about my baby
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brother and I kid you not my mom stood there and thought about it while I yelled no oh my god the
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woman creepily chuckles and my mom awkwardly declines thank goodness she did because of course
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These people never came back with any Quote unquote newer electronics And we were left without any devices
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And no more trust in my mom I have no idea if anything ever happened to these people
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I'm honestly incredibly surprised We survived until our adult years Stay sexy and don't be fooled
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Into giving up your stuff Or your kid Maribel Oh my god that is an amazing story
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Like can you imagine If you're that mom Like I would bring that up every fucking
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Holiday If you're that 10 year old you mean? Yeah. Yes. Remember that time mom? From that day on, Maribel is the 10 year old was in charge of that family.
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Maribel, that 10 year old was scared of her mom's decision making skills and never felt safe.
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Maribel, the 10 year old had to do all the decision making from that moment on. Horrifying.
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That's hilarious. She had to scream no and they were like, and we'll take the baby.
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We met you an hour ago. Oh man You guys don't trust anyone Especially not your own mother
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It is that thing though of it's like a middle aged couple Yeah That's like I'm sure I don't know how long ago it was
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But it's like for so long people were just like If it's a man and a woman nothing bad can happen
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And it's like why wouldn't I trust like them Who would do such a thing I can't imagine anyone would take
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It's a pretty good scam though Well also how ballsy They're like oh we just took everything from our
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We might as well try to grab that baby Yeah, I mean, they were not going to keep that baby.
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They were going to sell that thing along with all those fucking electronics, and you know it.
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That baby would have been up on the wall at Best Buy. Fucking 42-inch baby. Well, this baby, it fell off a truck.
00:24:47
This baby's in 3D, HD, and shitting. Send us your fucking, send us your stories.
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Like, all of them, please. They're all so good. They're the best. And stay sexy.
00:24:58
And don't get murdered. Goodbye. Goodbye. Bye, Elvis. Want a cookie? Bye. Good boy.
00:25:04
Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and iHeart Podcast presents Soccer Moms. So I'm Leanne.
00:25:10
Yeah. This is my best friend, Janet. Hey. And we have been joined at the hip since high school.
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Absolutely. A redacted amount of years later, we're still joined at the hip. Just a little bit bigger hips.
00:25:19
This is a podcast. We're recording it as we tailgate our youth soccer games in the back of my Honda Odyssey.
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With all the snacks and drinks. Why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer? Oh, they hit a BOGO.
00:25:30
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00:25:37
I'm Anna Navarro, and on my new podcast, Bleep with Anna Navarro, I'm talking to the people closest to the biggest issues happening in your community and around the world.
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Because I know deep down inside right now, we are all cursing and asking, what the bleep is going on?
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Every week, I'm breaking down the biggest issues happening in our communities and around the world.
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I'm talking to people like Julie K. Brown, who broke the explosive story on Jeffrey Epstein in 2018.
00:26:05
The Justice Department, through we counted four presidential administrations, failed these victims.
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00:26:18
10-10 shots fired in City Hall building. How could this have happened in City Hall? Somebody tell me that.
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I screamed, get down, get down. Those are shots. A tragedy that's now forgotten and a mystery.
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