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Data accurate as of 220-26. Hello! Hello! And welcome. To my favorite murder. We're back.
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We are back. Vacation's over, Georgia. Hiatus vacation, whatever you want to call it.
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It's done. It's over. It's done. We did it. We did it hard. That's it. And so we're going to do one episode and then take another three months off.
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Yeah, we thought we would go to the Bahamas. Oh, the Maldives? The Maldives. The Maldives.
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We thought we might go down to where the water is filled with Jimmy Buffett fans.
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Where's that? I don't know. Not a mask in sight. No. Where people are pretending things aren't bad.
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That's where we're going to go. That's right. But until then, we're right here with you podcasting again.
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Yeah. And I'll tell you what. I'm a little bit rusty. Oh, me too. The weird thing is that we're actually like face to face in your house for the first time in all of quarantine.
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Guys, breaking news. Yeah, we're we joined a pod, joined a pod. I now live with Karen.
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It's and this pod has nothing to do with podcasting, which is fascinating. It's a separate type.
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Yeah, we're like we were just like, you know what? Let's make this happen. Let's podcast together.
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It's like a different vibe than over Zoom. We haven't podcasted together in a year and a half.
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We haven't. Now, this is part of that thing where time makes no sense anymore. Yes.
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But think of a year and a half. Thinking of it. How long that is since we've been in our offices, which we don't even have anymore.
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Oh, my God. They're gone. Yeah. Don't worry. Steven is on Zoom. We're both sharing a computer and looking at him because we don't want to risk Stephen getting whatever we probably have.
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Could be anything. So here we are. How does it feel to be back? I'm really excited.
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I really missed it. It's one of those things where you're like, summer vacation.
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And then toward the end, you're like, okay, I'm bored. Yeah. It was long. I mean, it was long.
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It was long. I didn't pick up any hobbies, even though I know I should. But everything involves like a cat attacking whatever I'd be hobbying at.
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So I can't there's no hobbies that. Well, I think your cats are your hobby. Slash life.
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You're right. Yeah. Collecting pets is my hobby. Yeah. And I'm good at it. And meanwhile, let me just say my dog Frank has tricked Georgia into petting him right now when he clearly was not invited into this podcast area.
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So please stop. I mean, you don't have to stop, but when you want to stop, don't feel guilty.
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Just you don't. You're not obligated. In his defense, I will say that there's no clear borders.
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That's right. About where the area of podcasting ends and stops. There's just some big blankets hung for sound.
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So he didn't. He doesn't know. But the thing about Frank is he gets petted all the time.
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And then he comes up like an abandoned street dog Like he begging for love and no one can resist him Yeah Mimi does the same thing of like um it for the poor
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Like, please pet me. And everyone ignores me. Yeah. It's like, no girl, you get actually more attention than anyone in the fucking house.
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I constantly am saying to both of these dogs, you do know dogs don't live like this.
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Like you do know that you, this is a cut above the average dog's life. You asshole.
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Truly. Well, actually petting a dog or an animal soothes me and like, calms my anxiety. So having a dog just standing next to me, getting slobber on me while I scratch
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it is so satisfying and relaxing to me. I heard the message that they're slobber. Got it.
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What we're going to do is get Frank a little blue jacket and he's going to be your service
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dog in the house. Great. Can I get a thunder jacket too while we're at it? We'll just wrap you up in a thunder shirt. Yeah, that'd be great. Absolutely.
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Hey, Frank. Frank, your act gets old real fast. He's like nuzzling me. It's really sweet.
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You know, it's very weird. And you may have found this about just all of quarantine kind of ending, but not really. And everything being it's like when I have done things like this feels bizarre. Yeah, because I don't have like people in my house almost at all. It's it feels special. It feels like an event. Yes, it really is. It's like where I'm kind of nervous.
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And I know that like this is definitely going to be a rickety-er version of what we normally do.
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Yeah, it's going to be weird. It was weird not having like I had to be ready 20 minutes before we record to drive somewhere, not just to walk downstairs and sit in a Lazy Boy and like fucking record with you.
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Yeah. And I put makeup on for you, too, by the way. Hey, back at you. This is like the sixth time during quarantine I've worn makeup.
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And I was like, just don't look like a piece of trash when you go see her, maybe.
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Same. I was blow drying my hair and I was just like, what are you trying to do? What's this about?
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This is in a video podcast. But it is, you know, it is kind of a it's a big deal to us that we get that that we're back.
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Yeah. It's the first day of school. Yeah. But I do have that kind of like, will I remember my locker combination?
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Nervousness. Nervousness. Flutter. We're back. We're vaxxed. We're fucking. We're ready to attack.
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We're ready to attack. That was great. Come on. Yeah. You're not invited. This isn't your area.
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I thought it would be. Here's something interesting. I thought it would be fun if we talked about some of the true crime events that happened while we were on vacation.
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Love it. And then when I was talking to Jay about this, he said, that's funny. Georgia just called me and said the same thing.
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I that minute before that you like told him about that I had sent him an article and was like hey
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before we record please just give me this article I've been saving it on my computer
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for three months or whatever how long it's what you got let's talk about it okay essentially this
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article is about this I got it from the Washington Post kindergartners questions helped get them off
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hijack school bus when driver the kidnapping driver said enough already this dude fucking hijacks a school bus with a rifle he was like let's get the fuck out of town
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uh all these 18 children and their driver are on the on the bus still the man moved all the
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students up to the front of the bus um for they were an element like a bunch of little kids
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then the kids start peppering the fucking hijacker with questions as children do
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Was he a soldier? Why was he doing this? Was he going to hurt them? What about our driver?
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Are you going to hurt them too? Six minutes after boarding the bus, the hijacker ordered everyone off.
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Because he was like, this is annoying. Fuck this shit. I'm sorry. I'm so confused as to what he thought was going to happen getting on a school bus.
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Like, now I have, I want to pepper him with questions. Like, did he want to be on a school bus with children?
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Yes. It seems like he was going to hold them hostage. Like if he got on there and wasn't like, get off.
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He wasn't just stealing a fucking school bus. What was the plan? And then just the power of children forced him to release them.
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Yeah. That's unbelievable. I mean, it's great that they're safe. But it's to me just this like, oh, yeah.
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Like the kids just saved the day by being mere, barely by being children. By just being themselves.
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That's the thing, guys. Yeah, you got to be yourself. Just be yourself in the face of violence.
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Yeah. In the face of threat. Yeah. Be childlike. I mean, that is so horrifying. Yeah.
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But I bet that school bus driver is like, fucking tell me about it, dude. I have to deal with this every day.
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I've thought about, well, I'm kicking them all off before too. Okay, what's yours?
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Well, mine are, you know, like the highlights, one of which is the dating game killer, Rodney
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Alcala died in prison. Great. which lots of people talked about yeah he was on death row for killing the five known victims were
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jill barcombe who was 18 georgia wickstead who was 27 charlotte lamb was 32 jill parento who was 21 and robin sampso who was 12 um but but those are his only his known victims
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and police suspect that he could have had upwards of 130 holy shit really truly so evil and it
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and really kind of infamous for, cause then he ended up being on the dating game.
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So creepy. That whole episode. So creepy. And Jensen and holes did a good episode about that too.
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Yes. Yeah. So that, that's some good news. Yeah. And then of course our friend, Robert Durst is on trial.
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Yeah. It got delayed a bunch. And so it finally started up and he admitted to lying right Yes Let see He well the confession that they kind of based it on was from the documentary which was very edited of course because it a documentary
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So they they the courtroom got to hear the unedited audio, which I think is fascinating.
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Yeah, he said he would. He did lie under oath and he'd do it again to keep himself out of trouble.
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Great way to go in front of the jury. Just go ahead and tell them. It's it's insane.
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And I think the weirdest thing is that original SNL cast member Lorraine Newman is is one of the witnesses because she was friends with Susan Berman, who was one of his alleged victims.
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Wow. Weird. Yes. It's so I mean. why would you put him on the stand that's just like fucking law school 101 why you wouldn't or
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would what you would like he's clearly a fucking deranged person like with like why would you
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allow him to talk he's not insane though deranged right but he's not insane so he can he can speak
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for himself yeah yeah but usually they won't let them like if it's a if it's an unsavory character
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that they're trying to defend. They're like, you're going to dig yourself into a hole.
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So he's not going to testify. Yeah, I wonder. Maybe they just want him to get up there because he looks so he looks horrible.
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Yeah. Especially compared. It's not like it was that long ago that that documentary came out.
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Right. Six years, probably. Yeah. He looks way worse. Yeah. Way worse. The only other thing is it's almost kind of in that same timeline.
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Your best friend, Elizabeth Holmes, went on trial. Best days forever. this past Tuesday,
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the CEO of Theranos blood testing company, just one drop. Our machines can take one tiny drop of blood in all the Walgreens and all the
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United States. That's right. And they were like, give us your money. And all the rich fucking dudes were like,
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okay. And then just gave all the money. And all the money and all the legal power and all the everything to the point
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where they couldn't be stopped. And what I love is that she so in that trial, apparently Henry Kissinger is is supposed to perhaps show up as a witness.
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He's still Rupert. That's what I said. He is. He is. Holy shit. That man is a historical figure.
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He is. He's supposed to be there. And Rupert Murdoch, of all people, all these people that gave that were involved or backers.
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they're like the one time we give a woman money and this is what happens the one time we believe
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in one of these gals that'll show us suffrage suffragettes oh i was just gonna say i i was
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thinking about this today when i was because i was like it's kind of satisfying because that one's
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been a really long yeah a really long time since that since a trial and uh so if you haven't read
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the book Bad Blood by John Carreyrou. You have to. I listened to it on audiobook
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and it was like this endless podcast. Like just endless. I mean, you know, that's how
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audiobooks work, but I didn't discover that. Audiobooks, they're like an endless podcast. It's unbelievable. It's like
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a podcast by just one person that actually did some work. But Bad Blood, you have
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to listen to it because the story is mind boggling. The way that Elizabeth Holmes tricked all those old white men into giving her money and then not admitting it when it was completely exposed as being a fake spray painted box that could not test blood, not one drop or 500 drops.
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They still wouldn't give in. Narcissists who double down on their lies. I'm just fascinated by it because it's like, just give up.
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But also the people that get sucked in by those lies, then they have too much pride to go, oh, I just got scammed.
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So they just keep, they won't give up either. Vince and I are watching Succession again because we've gotten to the end of TV and have fucking nothing else to watch in our entire lives.
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So we're starting Succession again. And you get in this mindset of everything's a con and everything's evil.
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And he advertised when I see him like, that's evil. You know, it's like that fucking bag of horrible sour sketti you just gave me is evil.
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And it's the man. And it's fun. It's a fun place to live. So you're becoming like the TV show that you're watching.
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I'm not. I'm fucking peace, man. Sorry, that directly contradicts what you just said.
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I'm saying everyone else's. I'm. Nearly the lens through which. Yeah, man. It's like fucking punk anarchy.
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you know I have a Powell's bookstore fucking shirt on how can I be the man if I have a Powell's bookstore shirt
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wow the more you the more you protest the more I'm worried I get so you're calling me Elizabeth what's her face
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I guess I am I guess I've been backed into it be proud of it then just keep wearing those black turtlenecks
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what I love is she really did straight up copy Steve Jobs and then just get a bunch of pictures of herself taken.
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It's so modern. It's such of this age. It's like, well, I'm really photogenic. I'm a classic blue-eyed blonde in America and thin.
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Give me a shit ton of money. And old white men are just like, where do I sign up?
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I believe in you. She got a bunch of those photos taken with the arms crossed like in a really bad TV series It be like this is the cover of Working People And it like here the successful blonde arms crossed with that smirky smile of knowing on her face
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What's up, turtleneck? And yet she's 27. Yeah, 27. You guys. Don't don't try anything.
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And the whole thing was fake. It was fake. It was fake. Walgreens had 40 blood testing stations.
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built in their stores for a box that was spray painted silver and empty. You're a little impressed with her.
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It sounds like a little bit like you're like, I hate her. I hate her. I'm impressed.
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You know, I'm impressed with what money does. Oh, the audacity of money. You get your money and then you get all your lawyers lined up and then you're set.
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Yeah. And then you do what you want. And if anybody goes, oh, sorry, that's a silver spray painted box.
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You're like, I will end you. I will sue you. Yeah. I will ruin your life. Yeah. That's basically the plot of succession right there.
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Right. Yeah. This is the world we live in. It's like fake shit covered in silver spray paint.
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Yeah. That's life, man. Yeah, it is. But not this podcast. What? I don't know. I tried to change the subject.
00:19:04
Here's what I'm bummed out about. These dogs that won't let me not have them in the room are in the room snoring loudly.
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Look, listen. It's a bit of a distraction and a comment on. Yeah, I don't appreciate it.
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OK, but we're not the man. We're this like fucking mom, mom and mom podcast in your bedroom.
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No, this isn't your bedroom in your office of your house with dog snoring. Like we're not, you know, guys, it's so real.
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Yeah. Like we have Powell shirts on. Karen has one too now. That's for 10. Just like that.
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Karen has a pile of stuff. Just keep saying it. I didn't realize how much you were identified with your shirts.
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Oh, yeah. Like this is who I am. It's whom I am. Get to know me. Get to know me.
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And it's just a little gnome holding a book that says, I bought it at Powell's. Hey, I bought it at Powell's.
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This episode brought you by Powell's. Anything else? What else? I don't know. Nothing has happened yet.
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I feel like I've been not thinking about podcasting for so long that I didn't take notes of things.
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Weekly I'll be like, that's something to talk about. I can tell you what I'm reading.
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Who cares? I don't have anything. Well, I started Game of Thrones. Oh, shit. Because I was like, I had been saving, I'd been putting that one off and re-watching
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things and doing all, trying all kinds of new stuff. But finally, the other night, I was just like, I think I'm ready to go back in.
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I don't think I'll ever be ready. What do you think? I love it. I just think it's really, it's like a soap opera.
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But with it, I like watching, right. I like watching and thinking about how hard it was to write.
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Oh, so like when the Dothraki scenes are on and there are four people speaking a fake
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language. First of all, I respect it. And also I'm like, what? Everyone kind of put it a certain, almost like a Greek accent on it where it's like,
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this is a made up country. So it doesn't have an accent. And then I was thinking, I bet you this show would have been considered not as good if they were having to do accents of recognizable places instead of just because.
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So no one could be like, that doesn't sound like a pirate accent. Right? You don't know. It sounds official.
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So they made up accents and they made up accents? They made up accents and they made up languages?
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Well, I'm just saying they aren't going like they don't have like British accents on the fake Dothraki language.
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OK, there is a kind of there's like a bunch of extra interesting stuff that might be Castilian Spanish.
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It might be Greek. It could be Middle Eastern somehow. But it's not they're trying to represent like how it's from over there as opposed.
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So all the people that are Scottish and British are from like the, you know, King's Landing or whatever.
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The White Plains of Dover. That kind of thing. So you never watched it? No, I'm never going to watch it.
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I'm never going to watch it. I'm never going to watch it. Why? I just don't care.
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I don't like soap operas, first of all. And I also don't like fantasy. I like sci-fi.
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Fantasy is not my fucking jam. How do you feel about historical fiction based on something that isn't real?
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That's fiction. That's fiction fiction. That's shit. I like historical fiction based on actual fiction, actual history.
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Me too. I'm so confused. But there's something about this that doesn't feel like fantasy in that way where it's like, you know.
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Like a dragon? Yeah, like it's It's not like a Rush album that some Guy's making you listen to
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Which is what I understand why you would feel that way On the approach. Yeah, that's exactly how
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I feel. That was a great, like honestly, that's exactly How I feel. I don't want to hear
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There's some really good characters There's unbelievably great Dialogue and situations
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Of course. How many episodes Do you challenge me to watch Before I say fuck this shit?
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Three? Could we do three? Could you do three? I'll try three with Vince. Because if I get to two and go, fuck this shit, then you're going to go, if you only got to three.
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You know, you don't like this. It's my fault. And I want it to be your fault. I understand.
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And you know what? I'll tell you this right now. It is my fault. I accept it entirely.
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I'm asking you to go against your taste and try a thing that's like, this is everybody when I'm like, I actually don't eat fish.
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And they're like, try this. Did you try this? You're like, it's from the sea. I literally don't want fish.
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yeah okay so i'll try three episodes i'll force vince oh it's gonna be gone this weekend so i'll
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do it myself give it a pass and what i'm gonna tell you is this if you don't get past the first
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episode having just recently re-watched it it's so good like they make it so that you want to come
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back all right so if you don't then it's not for you and and we can part as friends all right so do
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one if i'm like i'll do three then i'll never admit if i like it and watch the whole thing just
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see yeah and then you don't we do not have to come back to this ever about game of thrones again yeah
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I mean, because here's the thing. I know that feeling a feeling like you got to the end of TV.
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And it is because I could spend my evenings driving around in my car or I don't know, online supporting people through hard times.
00:24:32
Oh, is that it? It's called Reddit, baby. Check it out. Is there a website where you can just go support people?
00:24:40
Yeah, Reddit. honestly reddit's actually gotten me through some quarantine shit with some really
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fucking ridiculous subreddits like there's one called peeling and there's one just called pop
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and then there's one i was looking at explain to what both of those are fucking just videos of
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people peeling stuff like oh look at this sunburn i peeled is it always body it's not always body
00:25:04
it's like look at this like wallpaper i peeled in one piece like look at this look at my feet
00:25:08
shedding after using baby feet like it's just the subject of peeling yes it's almost like it's like
00:25:14
a subcategory of zip popping yeah which i also look at all the time and got lightheaded recently
00:25:21
because of video something's wrong with me do you want to describe it no do you want to talk it
00:25:27
through it was a dermatologist i think that's what they make their real money off now is videotaping
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themselves when they when they look at a blackhead and they're like oh sorry i have to go get my
00:25:37
Yeah, Reddit's gonna love this. But there's also... Let me get my ring light on your...
00:25:42
There's a Reddit called stupid food. Stupid food. It's just stupid food. When people get like, look at this $10 burger I just saw an ad for.
00:25:52
And this one is a burger with like a can of corn. No, that's a can of fucking corn on a burger.
00:25:59
Literal can of corn. I swear to God. That's like the frozen corn my mom used to serve us with minute rice and like an overbaked chicken breast every night.
00:26:07
delicious wait why would you put canned corn on a burger that's exactly right it's because it's
00:26:12
stupid food this is a one thing they were being like a super chef i don't know here's one did
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you know branches the candy company rocks thank you there's no n in there anywhere to be found
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and it's called brock yeah have made a fucking candy corn a turkey dinner and apple pie and
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coffee candy corn what all in one i guess so that's some willy wonka shit you put it all in
00:26:39
one that's stupid food the snozzberries taste like snozzberries it's just like oh oh they're
00:26:47
little things shaped like those things oh they're not they're not that flavor oh i'm the stupid food
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after all stupid food it's candy corn flavored shaped like turkey dinner well you know what
00:26:59
That makes a whole lot more motherfucking sense. You're like, oh, it's a little piece of gravy with the consistency of candy.
00:27:07
You know how they make like gravy soda? Like, it's like, what's it called? Not variety.
00:27:13
What's the word? Pina colada flavored cheese right there. No. Yeah, dude. Wendy's spicy chicken Pringles.
00:27:21
It's just stupid food. You know how much I love looking at photos of food. Yes, for sure.
00:27:25
Especially when it's fucking stupid. I want to keep on looking at that burger with corn corn corn corn corn on it.
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If it's frozen, even better. Let's start a new podcast. Still frozen. Hear me out.
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Still frozen. Or we just laugh at stupid food. Love it. OK. And it's all possible.
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Okay. You ready for my first story back? I am ready. It's a heavy, it's a heavy duty doozy.
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This is the story of Irina Sendler, a Nazi resistance fighter. Wow. Yeah. So something light.
00:31:33
The sources used today are irenasendler.org, a humanities article by Jack Mayer, and articles from biography.com, the National Endowment for the Humanities, yadvashem.org, and auschwitz.dk, and a TED Talk by Megan Felt.
00:31:51
So we begin in 1999, not in the Holocaust yet. We'll get there. When three students in Uniontown, Kansas, a rural town with a population of like 200 something, so teeny tiny, they began working on a National History Day project.
00:32:10
The school had a lack of diversity. And so their teacher, Norman Kennard, he tasked the kids with finding an unsung hero of diversity to teach them about respect and understanding of all cultures.
00:32:23
So the girls, Liz, Megan and Sabrina, happened upon a 1994 U.S. News and World Report article entitled The Other Schindlers.
00:32:32
And of course, it detailed people who, like the well-known Oscar Schindler, saved children from the Nazis.
00:32:37
Yeah. The article said simply that this woman, Irina Sendler, saved 2,500 children from the Warsaw Ghetto between 1942 and 43. So they were like, what the fuck? That has to be a typo. That's more children than Sendler saved. And how have we never heard about her? Like, this is impossible.
00:32:58
So the students told their teacher about Irina and he was like, well, keep digging, do some research, go to like libraries and shit.
00:33:03
So the students only were able to find one other mention of Irina from 1965 when Israel's Holocaust Museum Yad Vashem honored Irina as Righteous Among the Nations, which is like a title you get.
00:33:18
But other than that, they could not find a fucking thing about her despite her having done so much.
00:33:23
and even the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, like with all the Holocaust experts and everything,
00:33:31
they didn't have much more on her either. In fact, they had her birth year wrong and they
00:33:35
didn't know that in fact she was still alive. No. Yes. Ew, I just got a weird chill. Yeah.
00:33:43
You never hear about this anymore in the age of like the internet and stuff. We've been in the
00:33:49
internet age for so long that it feels like there isn't a story like this. It's like actual research that you have to do to get information.
00:33:56
Oh, because it was from 1994, is that right? 99. Oh, 99. Yeah, the article was from 94.
00:34:00
It's 99. So they're just figuring out Google. They went on Google. There was one hit for Irena Sendler.
00:34:07
Whoa. And she's still alive. And she's still alive. And in fact, they didn't know about that.
00:34:13
they contact the jewish foundation for the righteous and found that irena was still alive
00:34:20
and she was in her 90s still reciting residing in warsaw she lived in obscurity no one knew
00:34:27
anything about her lived in poverty with her daughter-in-law at 90 or in her 90s so they
00:34:33
are able to put each other in touch the girls can't believe she's still alive they write her
00:34:38
a letter and send her like money for postage to write her back and they were like there's no way
00:34:43
she's interested in these like three teenage girls from fucking rural kansas right and they
00:34:48
got the letter back from her seven pages they're so excited they open it it's in polish of course
00:34:55
they were like oh shit so they had to get it translated because they wrote in english right that's right i mean it's like here you go well here we go here's my response but
00:35:05
Irene was so touched and, you know, was so excited to hear from them. So the foundation, they put her in touch with Irina.
00:35:13
And in 2001, the three young students make plans to travel to Poland to meet Sendler.
00:35:19
Wow. So they're like, how can we do this? Here's an idea. We're teenagers. Let's raise money by selling candy.
00:35:26
Sure. And so they get the huge sum of $81 by doing that. And then so a philanthropist they had written a play about called Life in a Jar about Irena life because that was part of the school project And so they showed it at like a or they did the play They started it at a Jewish community center and this philanthropist and whose family were Holocaust survivors were like let go to lunch Let me take care of
00:35:52
this for you. And was able to get a bunch of other Holocaust survivors from the local Jewish
00:35:57
communities. And they offered to cover the trip. I am loving this story in a way that is,
00:36:06
I can't even describe. By the way, not one of these girls is Jewish. Like, it's not like they were.
00:36:10
Because that's the point of the assignment. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So, like, it's just like it's even more so, you know, not that it makes any difference, like whatever.
00:36:19
But well, but it's the beautiful thing of like when when kids are teachable and they get an assignment like this.
00:36:26
And it actually really has an effect and leads them somewhere and does something.
00:36:31
Because it sounds like they didn't know much about the Holocaust before they started,
00:36:34
which is why they chose it and you know whatever they can find on it as their project and this is
00:36:41
what they learn and they're like we need to know more about this and the teacher was like
00:36:45
keep researching that's right looking into it right fucking teachers man so um the girls fly
00:36:51
to warsaw it was their first trip out of the country and one of the girls first time on a plane
00:36:56
i know and finally meet irena at her warsaw home in 2001 but they didn't speak polish so they didn't
00:37:03
say word. And that's the end of my story. And that is a story. They're like, can you sign this
00:37:10
paper? So our teacher knows we made it here. We can get the credit for this class. During the next
00:37:17
few years, the students build a friendship with Irina and they compile more than 4000 documents
00:37:22
about her and the work she did to save the Jewish people. Also, by the way, she's not Jewish.
00:37:28
Irina's not Jewish? No, Irina's not Jewish. Let me tell you her story. So here's her story.
00:37:34
On February 15th, 1910, Irina is born in Poland to Roman Catholic parents, Stanislaw and Janina.
00:37:43
She grows up as an only child in Otwock, Poland. Irina's father, Stanislaw, is a physician whose patients are mostly poor Jewish people.
00:37:53
When a typhus outbreak occurs, Stanislaw is the only physician who will treat patients.
00:37:58
All of his colleagues refuse because they're scared of contracting the infectious disease.
00:38:04
So they're like, fuck the Jewish people. We're not treating them. And it is a deadly disease.
00:38:10
So he actually does contract it. So in February of 1917, when Irina is just seven years old, her father dies from typhus.
00:38:19
But before he passes, and they were very close, he said to Irina, if you see someone drowning, you must rescue them, even if you cannot swim.
00:38:29
Whoa. And he also says there are only two kinds of people in the world, good and bad, regardless of race, religion or creed.
00:38:36
And most people are good. We're only halfway through. You're getting me. You're getting me.
00:38:43
As an adult, Irina starts working as a social worker for the welfare department of the Warsaw municipality.
00:38:50
Warsaw is the capital and largest city of Poland, also where my grandma on my dad's side is from.
00:38:56
Wow. Yeah, but they left after World War I. I've been there. You have? That's right.
00:39:01
On my high school trip. That's right. Yeah. I loved Poland. I loved it so much. It was so beautiful.
00:39:09
It was so fun to be in and the people were cool and chill. It was great. Awesome.
00:39:17
First hand, everyone. You heard it here. Travel Braggs. That's my new podcast. Okay.
00:39:26
The elegant architecture, grandeur. You remember this. Grandeur of the extensive boulevards or in the Warsaw, the nickname of Paris of the North
00:39:33
prior to the Second World War. Just wanted to give some info. And they fucking leveled it in the war.
00:39:39
They leveled it. That shit killed all the Jewish people. Horrifying. Irina's in charge of the city's canteens, basically which help people in need of assistance with meals, financial aid, and other necessities.
00:39:53
You know, because she's a social worker. In 1939, when Irina was 29 years old, the Nazis invade Poland, which leads to World War II.
00:40:03
And at this time, Poland has the largest Jewish population in the world with over 3 million Jewish people.
00:40:09
Even though they face torture or death, Irina and the welfare department continue to care for the Jewish people.
00:40:16
Irina keeps up with the canteens. She now adds items like clothing, medicine, and money to be given out.
00:40:22
And she starts putting together a rescue network. She registers Jewish people under fake Christian names and finds families who will hide them.
00:40:30
And then in November 1940, the Nazis forced more than 35,000 Jewish residents to live in an area that will become known as the Warsaw Ghetto.
00:40:40
So it's a 16 square block area, which is around the size of Central Park. And it's fenced in and locked and has guards on all sides.
00:40:51
So that's 35,000 people in that tiny fucking area. So, of course, it's squalor. Everyone's living in squalor.
00:40:58
no one has enough supplies to live. I mean, there's a lot of videos on YouTube of just
00:41:03
dead bodies on the street and people walking by. I mean, it's just like a common occurrence.
00:41:08
Everyone is literally starving to death. So now that the Jewish people are behind locked gates,
00:41:14
it's virtually impossible for the welfare department to continue helping. So in the ghetto, there isn't enough food or medical supplies in the areas too crowded,
00:41:22
which leads to epidemics and higher death rates with thousands of people dying from disease and
00:41:26
starvation every month. And month by month, the conditions inside the ghetto worsen. And basically,
00:41:33
the Jewish people are just waiting to be forced into freight trains and taken to gas chambers So dark Yeah Irina is determined to get into the ghetto and help more people Because the Nazis are scared of infectious diseases like typhus and tuberculosis
00:41:49
they're afraid that it's going to catch in the Warsaw ghetto and then spread out to the Aryans.
00:41:55
Irina is able to convince them to give her a permit from Warsaw's epidemic control department
00:42:00
that lets her go into the ghetto to, quote, inspect the sanitary conditions. So she's like, wink, wink. What I'm really doing is fuck you.
00:42:08
For almost two years, Irina goes into the ghetto every day and smuggles in food, medicine and clothing.
00:42:14
In the fall of 1942, liquidation of the ghetto begins and 2800000 Jewish people are deported from Warsaw to the Treblinka extermination camps.
00:42:25
More Jews will be killed at Treblinka during World War Two than any other Nazi extermination camp aside from Auschwitz-Birkenau.
00:42:33
between July 1942 and October 1943. It's the deadliest phase of the final solution.
00:42:39
And it's estimated that between 700,000 and 900,000 Jews were killed in its gas chambers.
00:42:46
It's this time that the Council for Aid... Sorry, really quick. Just 900,000 with a million people in just that one,
00:42:55
just Tari Blanca. Yeah. You hear those numbers and it kind of like, I think when I was a lot younger,
00:43:00
it just like kind of glossed. You can't picture that number of human beings. It's kind of unfathomable.
00:43:07
Just, you know, but then the older you get, the more you start to understand that every
00:43:12
single one of those numbers were a human life. And it's, it's overwhelming. So when we were on this trip, um, we stopped at Auschwitz and took the tour.
00:43:24
And it was like, I think there were probably 30 of us kids, maybe 40 or 40 group of 40 total high school kids.
00:43:35
And there was a part and it's so powerful when you walk through that, let's say museum of the camp.
00:43:45
They you walk down this one hallway and it's just behind glass. It's just these kind of walled off spaces that are filled with children's shoes or spectacles, suitcases.
00:44:01
So it's just all the stuff that was taken away and piled up. And there's so many of them.
00:44:08
It starts to give you this sense of what exactly was happening. And it was so bewildering, even though we all knew it factually, but very distantly.
00:44:19
And to stand there in front of it and understand that what it took the the. The violence and the like absolute almost like like a psychosis that it took to build a machine like this, to build a system like this, to exterminate a certain group of people.
00:44:45
It's it just like it even just beginning to sink in. Yeah, it's so mind blowing and so upsetting.
00:44:53
When we got back on that tour bus that day, it was dead silent. Like no one spoke for the rest of the ride until we got to the hotel.
00:45:01
Like everyone was just rocked because and that's why it is so fucked. When you see those like people that are at Auschwitz, but they're taking selfies.
00:45:11
Yeah. Like that shit is so gross, especially when you know what's there. It's like you're so narcissistic that you're taking pictures of yourself and you're not looking around at where you are and absorbing what happened where you are. It's crazy. But anyway. Yeah. I'm sorry to interrupt and sorry to make it about me, but I really it's just to even absorb a piece of that. Yeah. And it was barely if that was one of the many.
00:45:39
Yeah. I mean, it's really hard to do, but I feel like every single person needs to watch five minutes of a fucking, you know, Holocaust documentary just to get a sense of and then to see these people. And the thing, the problem, too, is that these people are so emaciated and so sickly looking that you almost can't even imagine that they were ever human beings who lived normal lives.
00:46:02
Right. You know, but you're but I think there is a little bit of footage of the Warsaw Ghetto, right?
00:46:09
Yes, there is. If you look up Irina Sendler, you can there's some footage of it, too, in that video.
00:46:15
Yeah. You can see them walking around. You can see what's going on. It's awful. It's awful.
00:46:20
The graphic novel Mouse by Art Spiegelman is somehow it's a graphic novel using animals as people.
00:46:27
And somehow it hit me harder than a lot of the books I've read about. World War II and the Holocaust did.
00:46:34
It's so powerful and so moving. I highly recommend it. Mouse is incredible because it's about
00:46:40
also it's about the generational effect. Yes. That that isn't just something that happened
00:46:45
and then World War II and the Allies won and so it's okay. It's like the generational effect
00:46:52
of this kind of devastation. My grandparents just wouldn't talk about it. We just didn't talk about it.
00:46:59
What would they say to you? What would they say? Um, I'm Jewish. They did not talk about it because they weren't Jewish.
00:47:07
They're just like, we're Catholic. Why don't we talk about that? They're actually Jewish and from Eastern Europe.
00:47:11
Oh, do you not know Georgia? For you noobs out there. So it's this time that the Council for Aid to Jews, organized by the Polish Underground Resistance Movement, which was codenamed Zagoda, is formed.
00:47:24
Around two dozen people, including Irina, joined the secret underground network founded by psychologist Adolph Berman and other prominent scholars and like religious leaders and stuff.
00:47:36
They is a go to focus. And getting as many people out of the ghetto as possible before they're all sent to die in the camps.
00:47:44
And so Irina, who's using the underground name Yolanta, focuses on saving Jewish children.
00:47:51
And they're like, they know how she's been able to get into the ghetto already and help children.
00:47:55
So they're like, this is your fucking, this is you. Your assignment. Here's what you're going to do.
00:47:59
Here you go. So she is disguised as an infectious control nurse. she knocks on doors in the ghetto asking parents and grandparents that to please give up their
00:48:09
children and grandchildren so she can smuggle them out oh can you imagine she started with orphans
00:48:15
because she didn't have to ask permission from parents and then was a then had had to move on
00:48:20
to actually saying to parents you need to give me your children yeah um she has the difficult job
00:48:26
of convincing people in the ghetto to give up their kid they're like can you guarantee me that
00:48:31
they will survive and they'll be okay. And she's like, I can't guarantee you I can even get them
00:48:37
out of the ghetto alive because we might get caught and they'll be killed. And I will too,
00:48:42
but I can guarantee that they will die if they stay. That's the only guarantee I can make is
00:48:47
Treblinka. And so these parents make this impossible decision. They're smuggled out of
00:48:54
the ghetto in multiple ways. The main ways are hiding children under the stretcher in an ambulance,
00:49:00
hiding them in a sack, in a trunk, in a suitcase or something like that, and placed them in a trolley like under the seat as if they're just like a box of, you know, whatever.
00:49:10
Right. And they also escaped through the, so the courthouse and also a church, a Catholic church,
00:49:19
had an entrance in the ghetto and then out into the Aryan section, so out of the ghetto.
00:49:24
They'd smuggle them out through the Aryan section or they'd go through the sewer pipes or secret underground passages.
00:49:33
So sometimes if a child can pretend to be sick or is actually sick, she can legally take them out via the ambulance without hiding them.
00:49:40
But one of the things is that a lot of the kids had, especially the really young infants, had to be sedated.
00:49:46
So they would just have a fucking sack with potatoes in it with a fucking sedated kid.
00:49:52
and it's the only way to get them out without them crying. Right. Of course. It's just horrible.
00:49:58
I mean, but then it definitely is horrible. But then I just think about how many like parents, grandparents,
00:50:05
like I think I'm maybe one generation away from like when babies would cry because they were teething.
00:50:11
Yeah. But just in the suburbs here in America, and they would just stick whiskey on their gums.
00:50:17
Oh, my God. I mean, kids have been being sedated. Or Benadryl on a plane. dumber reasons yes exactly where it's just like you know yeah yeah do you want one more
00:50:27
tablespoon of cough syrup so we can wrap this like mommy and daddy all right have a key party to attend
00:50:33
go to bed why don't you have a little coating cough syrup and watch some cartoons so
00:50:38
yeah i mean to me it's like yes god because then you get them into a sack of potatoes and then make
00:50:45
sure that nothing right puts them at risk no totally so yeah so the so the children will enter
00:50:51
enter the church or the courthouse and leave as Christians with new fake identities. Each child
00:50:57
was given a new Polish name and Irina uses her contacts to place them with families or in
00:51:02
orphanages and convents. There, children who are old enough to talk are taught Christian prayers
00:51:08
and how to make the sign of the cross so they can convincingly pass as Arian, which like didn't
00:51:13
even cross my mind. Yeah. That's like, yeah, you can't just be like, hey, you're Catholic,
00:51:18
Like do a fucking spectacles testicles while I watch right now. And you can't do it.
00:51:23
You're fucked. Right. Yep. You'd have to be like I or if somebody asked you, you're like, I'm sorry, I haven't had my first communion yet.
00:51:30
So I don't know that. Like they would just need to be able to speak the cultural language of like what it's like.
00:51:36
Yeah. She focuses on making sure anyone hiding a child understands that the child must be returned to their Jewish relatives when the war is over.
00:51:44
So that was her like fucking thing is I'm going to make sure that if I'm able to, I will reunite the children with the parents.
00:51:52
And that's what she promised them to get them to give their kids over. Yeah. So once she has places to put the children, Irina goes to work creating fake identities for them.
00:52:01
So working with other people from the social welfare department who are in on the fucking underground secret society, they make identities with false documents and forged signatures.
00:52:11
And Irina, though, is the only person who knows the identities of the kids and where they're placed.
00:52:17
So she writes down in code the children's real names, fake names, and their locations.
00:52:24
And then she writes this information on thin tissue paper and puts all the papers in jars and then buries the jars beneath an apple tree in the backyard of one of her co-conspirators.
00:52:37
Which is why the high school girls named their play Life in a Jar. are you dying right now?
00:52:44
We didn't even talk about the fact that they wrote a play in the midst of all this.
00:52:48
Yes. We could talk about it now. I also want to talk about buried treasure. What if you lived in a house and suddenly you were digging
00:52:56
and all of a sudden there's these jars. This is why I don't ever want to live in a newfangled house.
00:53:00
I want to find a fucking secret wall or door or ghost or hidden treasure in the backyard.
00:53:07
Well, you know what? Next week we're going to have to talk about all the hidden treasure things we got
00:53:10
over vacation because there was a lot. Oh my God. We did get a lot of stuff. We did get a lot.
00:53:15
Okay. We didn't even think about that. Oh my God. We've been on vacation. Okay. Inevitably, the Gestapo find out what Irina's been doing, of course, after a Zagoda member
00:53:25
gives up info on the members while he's being tortured. And on October 20th 1943 Irina is arrested and sent to Pawak Prison which is the most notorious prison in the ghetto from which almost no one comes out alive or escapes
00:53:42
And she's held for eight weeks. There, she's constantly questioned about the Zagoda, the Nazis trying to get her to give up the names of all the leaders, their addresses, and the names of everyone involved.
00:53:53
During questioning, she's tortured and her legs and feet are fractured. She's straight up misery style.
00:54:00
Fucking legs are broken and fractured. She doesn't give up a fucking single bit of information.
00:54:06
She gives answers that she and the Zagoda members had prepared and she's sentenced to death.
00:54:14
However, before she can be executed, the members of Zagoda, they bribe the German executioner who helps her escape.
00:54:22
But actually a few days later, he is executed by his Nazi comrades for not executing Sendler.
00:54:29
Oh, my God. Yeah. This is like twists and turns. And the executioner gets her out.
00:54:36
Yeah. That's mind blowing. Okay. And I think he like put up false things saying she had been killed and they found out that she hadn't.
00:54:45
Whoa. So they fucking are looking for her for the rest of the war. and for the rest of the war she lives in hiding even though she knows the nazis are looking for
00:54:53
her she continues helping the jewish people oh my god i know in 1945 when the war is over she digs
00:54:59
up the bottles in the backyard and starts trying to find the children and their parents but of
00:55:05
course unfortunately almost all of the parents were killed in triblinka as less than one percent
00:55:12
of the Jewish people inside the ghetto survived the war. Oh, God. Karen, 1.5 million children were murdered in the Holocaust.
00:55:24
1.5 million children. It's estimated that Irina and her network of 10 compatriots saved around 2,500 children.
00:55:32
But despite there being so few survivors, Irina doesn't give up. She gives her coded list to the go-to officers, and copies are made, and people try to find
00:55:40
relatives and parents. After the war, she marries, raises two children on her own and
00:55:46
continued her career as a social worker in Warsaw. Through the late 1940s, Irina and the Zagoda
00:55:52
members continued trying to find the children. So you can't find the parents, you can't find the
00:55:57
children. They all have different names. They've moved all over the world. One of the children
00:56:01
that Irina and her network of 10 compatriots saved was a woman who in the 2011 book,
00:56:10
Life in a Jar, written by Jack Mayer, who had found out about the play and the teenagers,
00:56:15
so he wrote the book about it, is a woman named Elzbieta Fitzolska, who was rescued as a five-month-old infant.
00:56:24
Sendler had taken her out of the Warsaw ghetto by sedating her and putting her in a carpenter's box.
00:56:30
Oh, just a tiny baby. Five months old. Oh, her parents, when they were saying goodbye to her, left, like insisted on leaving her with a small spoon with her first name inscribed on one side, because if she put her last name, they'd know who she was and her birth date on the other side.
00:56:50
And it's the only memento of her parents who were murdered in Treblinka that Elspeta has.
00:56:58
She became one of Irene's caregivers later in her life. Yup. And the chairperson of the Association of Children of the Holocaust in Poland.
00:57:10
Yeah. Another person, after seeing Irene's picture when she starts to finally get this notoriety,
00:57:16
sees her picture in the paper and calls her and says, this man says to her, I remember your face.
00:57:23
It was you who took me out of the ghetto. No. Yeah. I can't. Yeah. And we'll put photos on
00:57:29
the Instagram of her. She's just. Oh my God. Although the war is over, things are still not
00:57:33
easy for Irina and other Jewish people and Zagota members. Communists take over Poland
00:57:38
and the Zagota members are labeled as fascists. They're harassed, interrogated in prison and even
00:57:45
executed still oh my god yeah stories of what irena and zagota did during the war became secret
00:57:51
even when communism falls in poland in 1989 the stories stay a secret because irena's elderly and
00:57:58
she's like her story has already been secret for long enough why fucking shout it from the rooftops
00:58:04
well right she'd have to do it herself right or like yeah what is she gonna be like look at me
00:58:08
you know that's not the point of so that doesn't seem like her story no it does not no aside from
00:58:14
being honored as Righteous Among the Nations, which is a title, in 1965, and one other article
00:58:20
written about Irina, no one hears about Irina's story until 1999, when the Kansas high school
00:58:27
students discover her. I can't deal. I know. So after getting to know her, the girls who are named
00:58:32
Elizabeth Cambers Hutton, Sabrina Coons Murphy, and Megan Felt, who I mentioned the TED Talk
00:58:39
earlier. I almost cried watching it. Oh, I have to watch it. So they write a play about Irina
00:58:44
called Life in a Jar. So through the play, other people find out about Irina, then articles are
00:58:51
written about her. Other people are sharing the bravery of her life and Irina's story. It's shared
00:58:55
throughout the world, leading millions to finally hear her story. Life in a Jar has been performed
00:59:00
almost 400 times worldwide. Oftentimes, the teenagers would act in it. And when the girls,
00:59:09
as I told you when the girls first googled her in 1999 there was one hit and now there are over
00:59:15
400 to 800,000 hits oh wow yeah and a movie was made in 2009 called the courageous heart of Irina
00:59:23
Sendler starring Anna Paquin wow like perfect for that yes yes when asked how she felt about the Kansas students tracking her down Irina said I was stunned and fascinated Very very surprised She said my emotion is being
00:59:37
shadowed by the fact that no one from the circle of my faithful co-workers who constantly risk
00:59:42
their lives could live long enough to enjoy all the honors that are now falling upon me.
00:59:48
I can't find the words to thank you, my dear girls. oh i know she was like as we say in yiddish kvelling like she couldn't fucking believe it
00:59:57
when she found out that they were like interested in her yeah in 2003 irena is awarded poland's
01:00:03
highest distinction the order of the white eagle cool in the same year she is the winner of the
01:00:09
jan karsky award for valor and courage and later poland names irena a national hero and there are
01:00:17
now schools named after Irina Sendler in Poland, Germany, France, and England, as well as an annual
01:00:23
Irina Sendler Day established in Europe and the United States. However, despite saving so many
01:00:30
and almost being executed herself in the process, Irina never believed she did enough to help.
01:00:35
When Jack Mayer, who wrote the book Life in a Jar, asked Sendler why she put herself and her
01:00:40
family at such risk, she said, it was a need of my heart. I only did what any decent person would do.
01:00:46
It was the parents and grandparents who gave up their children. They were the true heroes.
01:00:52
Irina Sendler passed away on May 12, 2008. She was 98 years old. Unbelievable. I've never heard of this before.
01:01:03
I feel like her name sounds familiar, but I've never heard this story before. Unsung heroes, you guys.
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01:02:52
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01:03:40
All right, what you got for me? Well, I have a very strange story for you. Already in.
01:03:58
Are you in? I'm so in. I read this article that, and I first learned about this person a couple months ago.
01:04:05
I think it was probably back in April. and it was so mind-blowing that I was like mind-blowing it's kind of a survival story
01:04:13
it's just weird and I thought this will be a fun kind of like interesting way to get back in you
01:04:20
know so I just wanted to I wanted to know this story myself and then once I was learning it I
01:04:26
was like all right this is a this is a great kind of a kickoff uh back from vacation first day of
01:04:33
school yeah you know the first day of school you don't immediately get in there and like start
01:04:37
writing a report on abraham lincoln crack your books and no you got to do a little painting you
01:04:42
got to do a little uh maybe make an ashtray out of clay that you roll out into snakes yeah you
01:04:47
know start slow so and the other way this ties in is of course on social media and everywhere
01:04:53
we keep seeing these horrifying stories of what traveling is like uh especially on airlines during
01:05:00
the pandemic um and we're kind of probably all getting used to it because it's like we're we're
01:05:06
now getting very it's a really bad horrifying behavior is getting normalized to all of us
01:05:13
where we're just kind of watching it now yeah and we should remember that there are people especially
01:05:18
on these stories about like people losing their shit on airplanes there aren't there are staffs
01:05:23
of like flight attendants and people that work on those air airlines that have to deal with those people every day Yes Because not every story is a they got duct taped to their seat because they were so out of control Yeah Although that very common now
01:05:35
Yeah. But people are just aggressive, rude, strangely angry. Yeah. A lot of people dealing with deep seated issues and they don't know how.
01:05:45
They're not getting help. So they're just taking a flight. Totally. To the point where Southwest just made a public, like wrote a letter of public apology to their own staff because things are getting so bad in air travel.
01:06:02
and uh apparently but but of course these companies are excited because air travel's
01:06:08
picking up right and it because it slowed down so much during during the quarantine
01:06:13
that they thought they were going to add a whole bunch of flights for the holiday um you know this
01:06:20
upcoming holiday season and both the flight attendants union and the pilots union got together
01:06:25
and said we will strike if you add these extra flights because it's already out of control in
01:06:32
the air barely fucking hanging on right now yeah you can't add more and you we can't act like this
01:06:37
is an okay way for things to go yeah um which i love great it's very responsible of southwest to
01:06:43
apologize and to uh they say they're considering changing that schedule so yay unions we want to
01:06:52
please be supportive kind and caring to any flight attendant or especially like a person that's
01:06:58
working at one of those desks at the airport. Could you imagine? The gatekeepers?
01:07:02
The gatekeepers, the level they get yelled at. I don't understand it. People think suddenly...
01:07:08
The fucking Five Guys burger person at the airport. Don't be a dick. Don't be a dick to anybody in an
01:07:16
airport or in a store or in public. You can do that to your family if you're fucked up, but don't
01:07:24
bring it outside. No one else needs it. Everyone's having a hard time. You think people want to be
01:07:28
working during a fucking global pandemic? No, they have to. And also, do you think people want to
01:07:34
be fighting with anti-maskers who just basically are screaming at the top of their lungs,
01:07:40
I need therapy, but I'm afraid. Toddlers. They're having a fucking tantrum. They cannot cope.
01:07:46
Their coping mechanisms are not working. Never have, probably. So they're like, I'm going to take a flight to Sacramento.
01:07:52
That'll solve it. So let me yell at this person at their job. please please do the good work of helping out these people anyway the point being yeah
01:08:01
uh i read back baby i read we're back and we are off topic yeah we are i read this article
01:08:10
so this is a man whose travel horror story kind of has everyone's beat okay except for that kid
01:08:18
that uh got drunk felt up some flight attendants and then got duct taped to his seat oh yeah while
01:08:24
While bragging that his parents were rich and that he was going to make everyone pay.
01:08:29
No, no. That was an episode of Succession. Okay. This guy, his travel horror story has everyone's beat and he did it to himself.
01:08:38
So he has kind of nowhere. He has nowhere to send that email. I'm excited. So today I'm going to tell you the story about Brian Robson and his unbelievable, almost jackass level survival story.
01:08:51
So sources for this What I'm about to tell you are from A book called The Crate Adventure
01:08:58
By Brian Robson The Crate Adventure? Oh no An article in the Washington Post By writer Kathy Free
01:09:05
An article in the New York Times By writer Heather Murphy CNN and the Canadian Broadcasting Company
01:09:11
A.K.A. CBC So we begin this story on May 17th, 1965 at the Los Angeles International Airport.
01:09:22
Look around you. Everything is mid-century modern because it's mid-century right now.
01:09:28
It's a little later, 65. It's 65. That's numbers, people. How do they work? So cargo handler Gary Hatch and his co-worker,
01:09:38
they're working in the cargo shed. His name is Gary Hatch and he works in a cargo.
01:09:42
That's right. Beautiful. That's why I got that job. Beautiful. They're working in the cargo shed at LAX.
01:09:48
And they're organizing the cargo that's just come off the plane from Sydney, Australia.
01:09:53
So as they're walking through the shed, they notice that there is a light coming from inside one of the larger cargo crates.
01:10:02
So they're confused. They go over. They check the packing slip to see what's inside.
01:10:08
And they say that the slip says that the crate contains mainframe computer parts for repair.
01:10:13
So they figure one of the parts must have turned on during the flight. so Gary checks the crate
01:10:20
and he's looking for like a knot holes in the woods so he can see inside to see what's actually
01:10:25
going on but when he finds one and puts his eye up to it he jumps back in horror and yells there's a body in there
01:10:34
so Gary and his co-worker they run to get their supervisor and then of course they
01:10:41
in telling the supervisor the story everybody around hears that there's a a dead body in a crate.
01:10:47
So a whole group of curious cargo handlers follow along with the supervisor and Gary
01:10:51
and his coworker and they all go back. And one by one, they take turns looking into the crate to try to see that if it's a dead
01:10:59
body and to look. And then one handler puts his eye up and he sees an eye and then the eye moves.
01:11:07
And that guy yells, it's not a body. He's alive. so this is where the story actually ends so let's now go to the beginning here we go
01:11:18
and it begins in cardiff wales in 1945 i don't know So, OK, so born on June 4th, 1945, Brian Robson grows up in a working class area of Cardiff.
01:11:34
He lives with his sister and his mother until his father, who was a soldier in World War
01:11:39
II, slightly related. Oh, my God. He returns from fighting as the family kind of reunites and grows, though.
01:11:48
The father resents his son's presence. He wants to be the only man in the house.
01:11:52
And by Brian's own account, his father had an anger problem, which was made worse by a drinking problem.
01:12:00
So there's constant fighting. And then on top of that, Brian finds Cardiff and life in Cardiff incredibly boring.
01:12:08
I thought he was right. It rains all the time. The pubs are closed on Sundays. And the only other entertainment there for young people is a movie theater or a dance hall.
01:12:16
But those of the both of those require money, which few people have and Brian doesn't have.
01:12:23
So on June 4th, 1963, it's Brian's 18th birthday and he gets a job as a bus conductor for the Western Welsh Omnibus Company.
01:12:32
He likes it. It gets him out of the house. It pays more than his last job. He went from making four pounds to 10 pounds a week.
01:12:39
But still, that isn't enough money for him to move out of his parents' house, which he really wants to do.
01:12:44
So one morning in March of 1964, he's flipping through the newspaper and the classified section and he sees an ad for a job opening with the railway in Victoria, Australia.
01:12:55
So this job pays even more money than his current job. And not only does it get him out of his parents' house, but out of Cardiff entirely.
01:13:04
So leave your hometown, everyone. You got to. Even if it's beautiful fucking Wales.
01:13:11
Yeah, exactly. Just go see other beautiful places And then come back so you can appreciate
01:13:16
The beauty of Wales And serenity So that same afternoon Brian goes on his midday break
01:13:25
From work down to Queen Street Railway Station Because they're holding walk-in interviews
01:13:30
For these jobs So he has experience in public transit And he passes the medical exam
01:13:35
For a general health clearance So he's offered a job on the spot Sure So he has to wait another three months until his 19th birthday to be actually eligible.
01:13:47
But so in the meantime, the Australian government mails him paperwork to be filled out before he leaves.
01:13:53
And that's when he finds out this job has perks. It includes housing and airfare.
01:13:58
So he doesn't have to worry about paying for his plane ticket or paying for a place to live once he gets there.
01:14:03
And they're going to be issuing Brian a one time international travel pass. So he doesn't even need to get a passport.
01:14:09
So he's like, I'm set. The job requires Brian to stay in Australia for at least two years. That's like the exchange. Then after that, he's free to return to the UK if he wants to. So he if he decides to leave Australia before that, he has to reimburse the government for his plane ticket and pay for his own way back home. So basically, he has to pay for two tickets if he bails early.
01:14:33
so when the day finally arrives in June of 1964 his brother-in-law takes him to the London airport
01:14:39
because it's so long ago it wasn't even called Heathrow yet and there he checks in with the Australian consulate
01:14:46
they give him his little brown ID travel card he checks his bag and he boards Qantas Airlines
01:14:53
to fly to Sydney and then he catches a connecting flight from Sydney to Melbourne
01:14:59
in all the journey takes How long would you say, Georgia? 18 hours. It's a little bit longer.
01:15:08
26. 59 hours is the whole trip. Why? I don't know. That's not an amount of time for traveling.
01:15:16
I thought, I assumed England would be closer than we are. Yeah. So I don't know if it's there.
01:15:24
He had a bunch of layovers. That's what it's got to be. He bought like a red eye and they're like, we're stopping in Germany.
01:15:30
We're stopping in Italy. We're stopping. I don't know. That's not OK. Fifty nine hours.
01:15:37
No. OK. So he gets there. He's understandably exhausted. And associates of the Victoria Railway meet Brian and the other new hires at the airport
01:15:48
and they take them to their new living space. But when they get there, Brian's horrified because it is a dismal rat infested hostel.
01:15:56
Oh, shit. That houses 100 railway workers. everyone sleeps two to a room um a common uh a communal bathroom that's all concrete oh someone
01:16:08
lied to you right they have a canteen um which sounds like it's like the same as a cafeteria
01:16:15
they have a calm a common area that has a tv and that's it no no it's dirty and dingy and brian
01:16:22
immediately hates it yes now we might be able to discern from this that brian doesn't like a ton
01:16:28
of stuff. You know what? Brian is a negative Nancy. I think he has very fancy tastes. Yes.
01:16:35
But yeah, so he's bumming on arrival, on arrival. Okay. So his, luckily his roommate
01:16:42
works on a rail line that travels across state lines. So that guy's usually gone for weeks at a
01:16:48
time. So Brian has the room to himself usually, and he makes two friends on the plane ride over
01:16:55
and those two end up being roommates so in his free time brian has these two buddies to hang out
01:17:01
with um they all agree that it sucks where they uh are living yeah misery loves company man yeah
01:17:08
right it's they can all bitch and they're um uh all from the uk and but none of them know their
01:17:15
way around you know melbourne so they don even know where they could go if they if they did have plans Sorry What going on with you i when i print on both sides of the paper i destroyed like i can figure it out
01:17:31
and i have these numbered you just turn those over that over four or five times is it on the
01:17:36
third side okay there it is okay oh my god you did it again i stopped on the wrong one okay so
01:17:46
So they decide that they're just going to stay at the hostel and work that railway job until they learn the area better.
01:17:52
So the first week of work is all training. Brian's one of the 20 new hires. They all need to learn the rail lines, the stations and what their duties are.
01:18:04
He's glad to find out that the station where the training's held has its own canteen slash cafeteria where the food is way better because the food at the hostel is gelatinous, greasy.
01:18:16
And has unidentifiable chunks floating in it. Cool. So one of his fellow new hires is a local who agrees to show Brian and his two new friends around town.
01:18:27
So that night after work, they go to the downtown area and they look around the shops and the restaurants and the pubs.
01:18:33
And that's when Brian notices that all the pubs are closed. And that's when Brian learns that all pubs there close at six o'clock by law.
01:18:42
And they're all closed on Sunday entirely. just like in Cardiff. So he starts to feel like maybe he's in a worse situation than he was when he started.
01:18:53
That's what happens when you're in your 19, 20 year old phase. It's almost like the name of the game when you're in your early 20s.
01:19:02
Things just kind of like, they just suck. Everything sucks. And you're a brat about it.
01:19:07
No one cares or feels bad for you because you're being a brat. But you're right.
01:19:12
Everything sucks. You're right. But you but when you get older, you start learning that like, I got to bring a little something to this. And my expectations have to be why did you think you're going to go? Why would they pay for your ticket? Yeah, yeah. If it was great. Think it through. Yeah. Yeah.
01:19:30
Okay, so just before they're supposed to start work on the railway, Brian's only two friends find themselves a new job in Dandenong, working at a general motorist factory.
01:19:41
So they his friends leave and they have better places to live over there. So they come back for Brian saying there's still openings at the factory.
01:19:52
So Brian jumps at the chance to do anything else. But when he gets there for an interview, the company says he needs to be at least 20 years old to work there.
01:20:00
And he's nine months shy of his 20th birthday. So about six or seven months into his stay.
01:20:07
So it's basically at this time, it's between November and December of 1964. One of Brian's co-worker friends, who's a local named Bob, shows up late for work.
01:20:18
And apparently this was Bob's last warning. So the supervisor fires him and this pisses Brian off.
01:20:25
So he decides enough is enough and he quits on the spot and leaves with Bob. fucking 19 year olds right because part of him is like yeah you know what fuck this shit like it's
01:20:35
the perfect excuse yeah but then it's also a very noble excuse like you can't do that to bob yeah
01:20:41
whose last name i've never learned so now brian's attempt is determined to get the hell out of
01:20:48
australia and get back home to wales as quickly as possible but of course he's screwed right
01:20:52
he hasn't finished his two-year contract so the cost for reimbursing them for his plane ticket
01:20:58
there and the cost of buying a ticket home would run him between seven and 800 pounds oh my god he
01:21:06
makes 30 pounds a week no no no too much money so he'd be it would be impossible him for him to like
01:21:11
wait around and save up to do it so on top of that uh because he traveled to australia on a
01:21:19
one-time travel pass he doesn't have a passport to leave oh my god so also never do that yeah yeah
01:21:26
don't go like oh I'll take your separate ID yeah I'll take your word for that okay so now he's desperate
01:21:33
to leave and he gets this idea he and his fired friend Bob who's also interested
01:21:39
in getting out of Australia are going to stow away on a ship heading for the UK alright I'm on board
01:21:44
I can't do that wasn't on purpose did you do it on purpose? no but I loved it okay so
01:21:50
using stolen checks oh okay Brian and Bob make their way up to nearby Sydney from Melbourne.
01:21:58
Okay. And then because Brian thought that if they got up to the city of Darwin, which is 2,500 miles to the north, that there would be ships going, leaving for the UK out of Darwin.
01:22:14
So they hitchhike across the fucking Australian outback. Cool. 2500 miles from Sydney up to Darwin.
01:22:24
So if Australia is a clock, Darwin is noon, Sydney is four and Melbourne is about five ish, 530.
01:22:34
So when they get there, they learn that boats for the UK leave from Sydney. Guys, little research, little background.
01:22:43
Ask one guy. Ask one dude. Ask Bob to ask a different local. But no. So now they have to get back down to Sydney.
01:22:53
Oh my God. Can you imagine? So the phrase that Jay used in this research says, Brian makes his way back first, which of course made me laugh out loud.
01:23:03
Because I was like, those bitches got into a big fight about whose fault it was.
01:23:07
They split up. And they were like, bye. So Brian basically makes his way back down first.
01:23:13
And because there was no information superhighway back then as we know in the 60s what there was was long lost ants And Brian got one in the area Thank God man
01:23:26
Ants fucking save the day again. Up all the way. Praise them all the way up. Can we get some fucking credit for once?
01:23:33
We do it. Yeah. Especially when we're long and lost because that's how we like it.
01:23:37
It's like, oh, you're my relative, but I don't have to deal with you that much. Of course, I'll help you out here in Sydney, Australia.
01:23:44
I don't even know you, but I'll help you because I'm a long lost aunt. That's what long lost aunts do, honey.
01:23:49
Now leave my apartment. Don't steal my nice jewelry. So, okay. So Brian's long lost aunt who lives in the area has a friend named Jack who agrees to help Brian.
01:24:02
Jack has a ticket for a ship headed for the UK. And with that ticket, he got several visitors passes that allow visitors on board the ship while it's docked to come and see him.
01:24:12
So Jack says he'll get them on board Using those passes and then hide Them in their luggage away in his cabin
01:24:18
For the journey So when Bob hears this plan he's like Dude I was there for your Darwin plan
01:24:24
And that went so poorly that I'm not Going to do this This is foolproof Bob is not having any
01:24:31
So he backs out but Brian's like I need to get out of here please He boards the ship successfully
01:24:38
And they take off for the UK Time to rest and relax right no you mean another there's a yet another wrinkle in the plan okay it turns out that once
01:24:49
the men are at sea jack finds brian and says he didn't know there would be so many people in his
01:24:54
cabin eight people to a cabin no there's too many people again you thought you were going to be alone
01:25:00
and you get there and there's seven other motherfuckers in the cabin everyone needs to
01:25:04
do more research in this story except for you guys except for jay actually we're gonna be fair
01:25:11
so he basically says I can't keep you in the room but they're already at sea? they're already at sea
01:25:15
so Brian gets left out on the deck just to kind of fend for himself get a sunburn and fight with the pelicans
01:25:23
what he gets is could be depending on who you are could be worse he gets seasick
01:25:29
oh no not good he gets so seasick that one of the crew members actually takes him
01:25:35
to the infirmary it's that bad right? Yes, except for in his like he's dazed by his vomiting.
01:25:43
He tells them his real name and they immediately find out he's not on the ship's register.
01:25:48
He's not a real passenger. He could have given the long lost uncle's name. Exactly.
01:25:53
But he was too throw up. OK, you know how it is when you're so you're like, oh, my name's Brian.
01:25:59
I'm sick. I can't handle barfing. okay so the captain sympathizes with brian's situation enough to not charge him for a crime
01:26:09
okay pretty nice but he does have to leave him at the next port they go to which is
01:26:13
new zealand so he basically just gets one country over so he gets off the ship and brian then calls
01:26:22
his friend bob who bailed yeah yeah and luckily bob's family is able to loan brian the money
01:26:28
for a plane ticket back to Australia. So he's back at square one. That's the only place you could get to.
01:26:36
But once he's back, it isn't long before the police catch up to him for the stolen checks.
01:26:42
Oh, yeah. And now he has to go serve 60 days in jail in Brisbane. Oh, no. He did the crime,
01:26:49
and now he has to do the time. Sure does. So, but then he gets excited because Brian's like,
01:26:56
this is awesome. they're going to deport me because I committed this crime. Brilliant.
01:27:02
But instead he just has to serve his 60 days. Then they release him in Brisbane with no money, nowhere to go.
01:27:09
He's, he's just kind of lost and alone. This is like going on our tour that we went on in Australia,
01:27:15
Brisbane and Melbourne and Sydney. Right? The Gold Coast. They didn't go to Darwin, but next time.
01:27:21
Next time we're up in Darwin. Yeah. We'll take a ship. Okay. So Brian makes his way to Melbourne
01:27:28
He finds a cheap place to stay in a suburb Called St. Kilda And there he starts working in a paper mill
01:27:34
But he He thinks it's incredibly boring Oh my god dude Have you learned nothing Grow the fuck up
01:27:42
He won't admit that he's boring And the jobs are just regular All I could think of is like
01:27:48
That's someone's kid who's like I wanted a child And they were the apple of my eye
01:27:54
I thought they would be this wonder. And that's Brian. And you're just like, why did I have kids?
01:28:00
Wait. But see, the beginning part of the story is all kind of about Brian under the gun.
01:28:06
Brian in not the greatest of situations. Maybe Brian's a little, maybe, maybe Brian has some.
01:28:13
Fluck? Well, I was going to say, you know, sure, he doesn't like stuff. Maybe he's a little bit of a tough customer.
01:28:19
Yeah. But, and that's what gets him into this in the first place, where it's just like, here's the thing, Brian, once you land at this place, yes, it has a shitty
01:28:29
communal bathroom. Yes, the TV and the food sucks. But just wind out your time. You know what he
01:28:35
needs to do is learn mindfulness. He needs to learn the RAIN process. Download an app,
01:28:43
a meditation app, and learn. To feel those feelings. Feel those feelings. Be mindful of
01:28:48
situation hey look there's this thing this is my situation i'm in gonna make the best of it hey
01:28:54
what's that smell a paper mill yeah interesting you know don't always be negative yeah have you
01:29:00
ever smelled a paper mill no they're disgusting and they're really that's really bad for your
01:29:04
lungs right i think it's bad for everybody and everything i think that's why portland is fucked
01:29:08
right well is it fucked yeah what do you mean like the air quality is horrible oh oh because of that I do know there one that like on the way to right washington right yeah right up over the thing correct listen everyone who works at powell
01:29:24
bookstore correct me if i'm wrong hey hey you know what powell's bookstore isn't gonna say shit
01:29:29
because that paper mill is making those books that make their life possible let's say thank you
01:29:35
to the top of the paper mill that's right big paper so all right now at least he's got a job
01:29:42
and a steady income. And then I wrote here, I'd just like to note that Brian's problem
01:29:46
with finding things boring has created some serious problems in his life. That's a good observation.
01:29:51
Karen, it's very mindful of you. And then I put, read a fucking book or learn to play the piano.
01:29:55
Stop being boring. Okay. He's been in Australia now for 10 months. It's April 1965.
01:30:02
So one day he decides to go visit the old hostel where his Australian adventure began
01:30:07
because it's only a 20 minute walk from his new job. His boring new job. So he ventures over, looks around.
01:30:14
It's the same as when he left it, except this time he meets two Irishmen, Paul and John.
01:30:19
And they're working for the railway now, as Brian once did. And they also don't like Australia that much.
01:30:25
So they all once again bond on the mutual dislike of Australia. And they become fast friends and they start hanging out all the time.
01:30:33
Paul tells the group about a British trade exhibition that's happening at the Melbourne
01:30:37
showground. So they all decide to go. And while they're there, they walk past a booth for a UK based movie company called Pickford's.
01:30:46
And Pickford's slogan is we can move anything anywhere. And so Brian cracks a joke saying maybe they can move us and they all laugh about it.
01:30:56
But then later on, Brian finds himself thinking about it more and more. So the next day he goes down to the local Qantas airline office and he asked them about their overseas shipping services.
01:31:08
Oh, no. He finds out the size and weight requirements for the largest box they allow and what paperwork is necessary for it.
01:31:16
And he finds out that the payment for the freight can be made upon delivery. So he doesn't have to pay anything up front.
01:31:24
Brian's hilarious joke is becoming more real by the moment. He convinces John and Paul to help him.
01:31:30
And now what would be great is if it turned out that this was the origin story for the Beatles.
01:31:34
it's brian john and paul and then george and ring are a longshoreman that are gonna unpack
01:31:42
it in liverpool oh my god um this is too late in the timeline i made all that up okay
01:31:49
it takes some searching but brian finally finds himself the perfect traveling box okay it's a
01:31:56
wooden crate measuring 30 inches by 26 inches by 38 inches which is the maximum shipping size
01:32:03
at Qantas. Okay. That's two and a half feet. Okay. By a little over two feet by a little over
01:32:09
three feet. So think of it three feet high. So sit it. You'd have two feet wide and then
01:32:16
two feet, like two feet this way and then two and a half feet that way. So you could sit crisscross
01:32:21
applesauce. Yes. Comfortably. With a suitcase apparently. Oh, right. Yes. Okay. Okay. So
01:32:28
because Brian's 5'7", but he comes in at a slender 120 pounds. So he's going to be able to fit in this thing
01:32:36
with his suitcase without going over the shipping weight limit. Brian hasn't figured out.
01:32:43
I'm sorry I talk so much shit on you. Look, we really, we rake Brian over the coals,
01:32:48
but this is how it is in modern society. Okay. So the Irishman Paul and John come over to Brian's place after work
01:32:56
to help him rig the crate for travel. They make a thin rope from pieces of string.
01:33:01
They nail the ends to the inside of the crate and they kind of make like a seat belt for him
01:33:06
to keep him kind of like in place in case the crate gets tossed around. This is some Pinterest shit.
01:33:14
Oh yeah, they get in there. Like they're fucking crafting. Yeah, they make a real plan of it.
01:33:20
They fasten two bottles, one for water and one for pee. Oh, puppy. Don't mix them up.
01:33:26
and a flashlight. They fasten all of those inside the crate. And then his plan is to sit upright in the crate with his knees to his chest and a pillow
01:33:34
behind him for support while his suitcase stands upright, kind of like right next to
01:33:40
him. Oh, like a side table. Kind of. But real tall. Okay, like a tall side table.
01:33:48
He gets in to test it out and everything fits just as planned. He's like, I could live here.
01:33:54
Yes. he's like i'm loving this i'm loving that uh so along with the bottles of flashlight the pillows
01:33:59
and the suitcase brian packs himself a book of beatles song lyrics i swear to god i didn't know
01:34:04
about you swear when i did the first research pass i did not know about that part was coming
01:34:09
remember we said hey brian read a book figure something out that's the book like clearly he's
01:34:14
not listening to you because it's song lyrics um let me tell you something can't buy me love
01:34:20
can't buy me love can't buy me love those are the lyrics here's why you're bored
01:34:25
you're reading songs you listen to them they're better and it's not like a punk rock song
01:34:30
where you can't understand the lyrics it's fucking Beatles which could not be clearer
01:34:34
okay along with all that stuff I said Brian packs himself a book of lyrics did it
01:34:39
and for entertainment it says and a hammer so he can break out of the crate once he arrives
01:34:45
I mean that's kind of smart in London so bust out of it like a birthday cake party like a stripper in a big cake um he decides not to bring any food because he doesn't want to
01:34:58
do anything more than pee on this trip sure smart it's estimated to be a 48 hour trip
01:35:04
oh my god yeah there oh he's rolling the dice here in many ways so john one of the irishmen steals letterhead from the victoria railway and drafts
01:35:16
up phony paperwork. He makes two copies of the way bill that says what's inside the box.
01:35:21
And the guys settle on, quote, mainframe computer parts for repair. Right. Because it seems official enough that probably none of the cargo handlers are going to know
01:35:30
about computers to care enough to poke around inside. And kind of boring. So no one's going to try to steal the contents.
01:35:36
Yeah. It's like it's just a bunch of like reel to reel ribbons. Yeah. Yeah. And beep boop bops.
01:35:41
So he makes Then he makes an invoice saying the bill will be paid Upon pickup in London
01:35:47
So Brian then makes Two signs that say Fragile handle with care and this Side up nails into the
01:35:56
Outside of the crate and then He calls Qantas and schedules A drop off anytime before
01:36:02
Noon on Wednesday May 12th 1965 And then they arrange for a taxi truck To come and pick the crate up off of his
01:36:10
lawn. So basically this taxi truck is going to take this crate to the airport and then drop it
01:36:16
off. All right, guys. So when the taxi truck arrives, the driver uses a small forklift to
01:36:22
pick up the crate with Brian inside and load it onto the truck bed. So before he pulls away,
01:36:28
oh, sorry, I skipped a paragraph. That's basically the Irishman call in sick to work so they can nail
01:36:33
him into the crate. And then they get caught by Brian's neighbor who's like, what are you guys
01:36:38
do it and then they just they all start just talking and like don't like ignore her and she
01:36:42
walks away okay so basically as the truck as they load him into the truck um john leans in and
01:36:50
whispers good luck to the crate and with that brian's on his way to the melbourne airport
01:36:55
so the taxi truck takes brian to the quantas airlines freight shed as expected and um he later
01:37:03
will say, the first 10 minutes was fine, but your knees start to cramp up when they're
01:37:08
stuck to your chest. The first 10 minutes and you have 48 hours, brosif. Like, what are you doing?
01:37:15
How long? I mean, like, truly, how long could you? My knees are cracking already.
01:37:20
Ow. So Brian distracts himself by watching the cargo handlers work through small slits in
01:37:25
the crate. He hears one of them say that Brian's box is headed for Sydney, the connecting flight
01:37:31
before going to London. And then everything goes dark and quiet after Brian's loaded into the cargo hold.
01:37:37
Ten minutes later, he hears the engines roar through the darkness. Soon he's in the air.
01:37:42
The first leg is about 90 minutes and Brian's excited, as excited as he is nervous.
01:37:48
But there's another complication he hadn't thought of, the lack of oxygen in the cargo hold.
01:37:53
Yeah, bro. Yeah. So because this part of the plane isn't pressurized, there's very little oxygen.
01:37:59
Oh, God, your ears. and he has to breathe hard just to kind of keep breathing so once he arrives in Sydney
01:38:07
things take a turn for the worse literally a careless cargo handler fails to read the this side up sign
01:38:15
and Brian's crate winds up upside down so now he's on his head and neck upset and in pain
01:38:26
but he doesn't want to blow his cover because he's made it this far. So he keeps quiet as an intense headache sets in.
01:38:34
Wait, so he was strapped in? He was like strapped in by his little weird ropes. Okay, so now he's stuck upside down.
01:38:41
He's stuck upside. This is one of my nightmares. Oh, he'll die. He'll die that way.
01:38:45
Yes. And what a terrible way to go. Just like the worst. I hate it. And also, God forbid you have any kind of a claustrophobia issue
01:38:54
listening to this podcast because this is a true nightmare. But he did it to himself
01:38:59
If it were you you could get out at any time And he clearly doesn't have that problem
01:39:04
So that's good Let's start talking about all the positive sides Be mindful Here we go
01:39:11
So he's stuck in this position For minutes then hours He feels like his neck is about to snap
01:39:19
He hopes whoever loads him Onto the plane for London pays attention To the signs on the box and flips him over
01:39:25
Then night comes he's still sitting upside down on the tarmac and he doesn't know why his flight to London should
01:39:32
have left by now and he should be on it. And not only that, but it's a cold night. The wind is
01:39:38
whipping through the crate slats and he's chilled to the bone. It isn't until the next day that a
01:39:43
forklift finally comes along and flips Brian right side up the next day. Um, so he does his best to
01:39:51
massage his neck with his hands. He of course can barely move as he later recalls. He was upside
01:39:56
down for about 22 to 24 hours. What the fuck? Horrifying. Soon after, Brian feels himself being moved onto another plane.
01:40:06
There's lots of noises, voices, shuffling, and then there's not. The cargo hold goes dark.
01:40:12
The engine of this plane fires up and Brian is once again in the air for the second leg
01:40:17
of his journey. So again, he has very little oxygen. his he uses a breathing method involving short sharp gulps to take in as much air as possible
01:40:27
but the pains in his neck back and knees are getting worse and worse and worse he hasn't been
01:40:32
able to stretch out in about a day and a half at this point and it getting harder to ignore he doesn have any way to stretch his legs unless he breaks out of the box So he opts for pulling his knees in even tighter and then pushing his feet against the side of the crate
01:40:48
and then periodically releasing from that position just to like get a little bit of movement going.
01:40:53
I wonder if there's any point where he was like, this was a mistake. Yes, I think hour one of upside down. But he had so many options to escape at that point before
01:41:03
getting on the second flight and he didn't do it. No, I mean, that's the one thing that makes this not a panic-inducing torture story
01:41:11
is he is making these choices and he has the hammer in his hand the whole time. He could break out any time.
01:41:17
He could, yeah. So the pain from doing this is actually worse, but then the relief he feels from releasing the tighter hold is an improvement.
01:41:29
And hey, at least it's not boring. so as time wears on Brian feels his body temperature changing
01:41:35
drastically one moment he's boiling hot the next he's freezing cold he doesn't know if it's because the actual
01:41:41
temperature is changing in the plane or if his temperature regulation inside his body is on the fritz
01:41:47
and to make matters worse he starts having wild hallucinations and he's unable to tell
01:41:53
what's real and what's not okay so here's an example of one he imagines that the captain's making
01:41:59
an announcement that the plane is going to crash unless they lighten the load. So then
01:42:05
the captain asks for volunteers to leap out of the plane to save the rest of the passengers
01:42:09
and when no one volunteers the crew starts throwing packages and suitcases off the flight.
01:42:15
They make their way to Brian's crate and he screams saying he's inside and he tries to stop them
01:42:21
and he can see this several thousand foot drop through the crate slit and he knows
01:42:27
he's about to die and then boom He's back to reality, stuck inside a dark crate in the plane's cargo hold, imagining things.
01:42:35
I think you got a chance to read that lyric book at any point. Oh, turn on that little flashlight.
01:42:40
Oh, my God. Okay, so the hours drag on like this with Brian suffering intense physical pain and paranoia.
01:42:47
At one point, his muscles completely seize up and he can't even wiggle his feet anymore.
01:42:53
Eventually, he just assumes he's dying. He wishes it would just happen so he could get it over with already.
01:42:59
But at long last, after four days in the air, the plane finally lands. In that crate.
01:43:08
Yes. That is stupid. I mean, it's so beyond. So he is so it lands. He must have been so thrilled.
01:43:16
He he can tell the cargo hold is opening. And then he hears the familiar sound of the handlers kind of shuffling around.
01:43:24
He's the crate gets taken out of the plane, transferred to the cargo holding shed.
01:43:29
along with the rest of the packages. And so once he's settled there and the outside noise begins to recede,
01:43:36
his excitement starts to set in. He's made it. Now all he has to do is break out of the box
01:43:40
and find a way home. So I can't believe he didn't die. I can't either. I mean, he probably should have died,
01:43:47
but if he weren't like a dumb teenage boy. It's right. He has that dumb teenage boy look.
01:43:52
Yeah. He figures he'll grab his hammer, break out and try to make his way to a passenger heavy area
01:43:58
with his suitcase. So just like blend in amongst the crowd and then just find his way out.
01:44:03
Worst case scenario, he gets caught, explains the situation. He's already made it to London.
01:44:08
So surely no one will send him back to Australia if he's caught. So Brian decides it'll be best to leave that night,
01:44:14
but he has no idea what time it is. So he reaches for his flashlight so he can check the time on his watch,
01:44:20
but his hands won't move. Any attempt he makes to move them just hits him with searing pain.
01:44:28
It takes several excruciating attempts to reach forward for the flashlight. So he has to just like,
01:44:35
by tiny, tiny micro movements, try to get this flashlight. You destroyed yourself.
01:44:42
Yeah. So finally he reaches it, he turns it on, but he's lost the strength to hold it
01:44:46
and it drops to the bottom of the crate, shining its light out through the slits.
01:44:51
Oh no. And now he has to muster up the strength to reach down and pick it up. He sits there for a few minutes
01:44:58
trying to gather the strength when he hears footsteps approaching. It's two cargo handlers
01:45:04
shuffling around and talking to each other, but the voices Brian's hearing don't have English accents.
01:45:10
And now he's worried. He has no idea where he's landed. He listens closer and realizes the workers' accents
01:45:18
are American. Little did Brian know his intended flight for London had been canceled
01:45:23
and he'd been rerouted to Los Angeles. Oh my goodness. So once again, Brian's traveled thousands of miles
01:45:32
in the complete opposite direction of where he wants to be. Oh, foiled again. Okay, so when the cargo handlers at LAX finally pry open the crate,
01:45:43
they find a very dazed and barely still alive Brian inside. He is so stiff from being cramped up in that crate for so long that he can't stretch his limbs out on his own.
01:45:57
No way. He can't move his body at all. They have to help him unbend his arms and legs to lift him out of the crate Was it worth it dude Brian later remembers that he quote had no control over his body at all Yeah He tries to speak to his rescuers
01:46:15
No sound comes out. He had just one bottle of water for nearly five days. Oh, my God.
01:46:22
He's dehydrated and he's starving. Okay, so soon crowds of first responders and other people pour onto the scene.
01:46:30
FBI agents, the LAPD, the airport police, airline workers who have heard about it and then of course news photographers
01:46:36
once his body's straightened out and brian is rushed to the hospital where he's examined
01:46:41
by several doctors he's given oxygen he's placed in an aerated hot water bath to help relax his muscles and regain feeling in his limbs that sounds nice
01:46:51
it does actually they feed him cold water and ice cream to moisten and soothe his dry throat
01:46:56
it takes at least six days in the hospital for brian to make a full recovery doctors inform him that if he had continued on the flight to london he would not have survived yeah
01:47:09
so almost immediately reporters and news cameras roll into the hospital they want to talk
01:47:14
to the man who mailed himself across the planet back in cardiff a welsh news crew shows up at
01:47:21
brian's parents house and tell them about their son's crazy journey you're in trouble so literally
01:47:27
one news channel interviews Brian and broadcast it on the BBC. The other one interviews his parents and
01:47:33
broadcasts it in the States. The media blitz rages on for the next few days, causing visitors to
01:47:39
show up at the hospital to see Brian. They wish him well. They bring him gifts. Some
01:47:43
people even give him cash to try to help him out. But once he's healthy enough to finally leave the
01:47:49
hospital, he's taken directly to the FBI. Yeah, dude. Yeah. Because you don't mess around
01:47:55
on planes in any form. That's some federal shit. Don't tamper with mail. That's a federal federal.
01:48:02
OK, so a few Australian lawmakers consider pressing charges, as do the American authorities.
01:48:08
One lawmaker calls Brian a, quote, apparently useless young man, which, hey, we've been mean to Brian on this podcast.
01:48:15
But this is that's a bit much. That is such an insult. Like that is also putting apparently in the beginning is kind of like you're not even bothering to worry about what you're saying.
01:48:26
I don't even care. Whatever. Oh, my God. That's hilarious. OK, so once the FBI confirms that Brian is indeed a citizen of Wales and his whole story
01:48:36
checks out, they decide to let it go. No legal charges are filed. And Brian's given a first class seat on a Pan Am flight back to the UK for free.
01:48:47
No. Yes. That is bullshit. They hurt. They figure he'd been through enough and it was time for him to get back.
01:48:53
Don't reward bad behavior. everyone 60s the whites did whatever they wanted so when brian's flight lands he's greeted by
01:49:04
another media blitz of course oh my god after some photographs and interviews he makes his way back
01:49:08
to his parents home and later remembers that when he finally got there his family was quote happy to
01:49:14
see me but weren't happy about what i'd done yeah you're shite so shite um fame actually follows
01:49:22
Brian Robson for a little while longer. He does not like it. It makes him very uncomfortable. Are you mad?
01:49:28
So, he's made a full metal recovery. Yes, he has made a full metal recovery. He rocked the entire time.
01:49:39
Double horns above his head. Okay, he's made a full medical recovery, but the nightmare of the experience
01:49:46
continues to haunt him, obviously. But slowly he goes back to living a normal life. He eventually
01:49:52
marries, has a family of his own, has a job, a very nice, quiet job that he works at. And until
01:49:59
he's 60 years old and then he retires. So he's learned his lesson about being, you know, wishy
01:50:06
washy. Okay. He becomes normcore. Yeah. And everything's fine. He gets normcore in the 70s,
01:50:12
which was the coolest time to do it. Yeah. But of course he can never shake the experience of
01:50:16
being trapped in that crate. He says, quote, it's a part of my life that in all honesty,
01:50:21
I'd like to forget, but in all practicality, I could never forget. Yeah, because of my favorite murder.
01:50:28
Yeah, for real. Brian Robson is now 76 years old, and he's written an autobiography about his experience
01:50:34
called The Crate Escape. Oh! Right? Remember? Yes. It's all coming together? That is beautiful.
01:50:42
It came out in April of this year. Oh, well, the name alone makes me not mad at him anymore.
01:50:47
The Crate Escape. The Crate Escape. It's the best. So he took all that PTSD and terrible, I mean, horrifying after effects of an experience that traumatic.
01:50:59
And he wrote himself a book about it, which is genius. In the years since his adventure, Brian's traveled to other parts of the world, but he has no desire to return to Australia.
01:51:09
It's not their fault. No, it really isn't. And, you know, Australia is really beautiful and fun.
01:51:16
And all of the food is fresh and the people have gorgeous skin. I would just say don't do it in a crate.
01:51:22
Not don't go to Australia. You crossed wire somewhere around there. Don take a random job that you don know any of the true details of You missed the entire moral of your own story Never give anyone your passport Was that in there
01:51:41
He has been trying to locate his two Irish friends. John and Paul, who helped him out, but so far he hasn't had any luck.
01:51:48
There are rumors of a documentary being made about this. And so maybe they will find those two Irish men.
01:51:54
I want to talk to Bob, too. Bob should definitely be in this documentary. And fucking classy aunt, long lost aunt.
01:52:02
Oh, the long lost aunt. Well, I bet she's long lost at this point if he's 76. Unless he has an aunt that's 130 and in this dock.
01:52:13
When asked what his preferred method of travel is these days, he replied, let's just put it this way.
01:52:17
I will never get into another crate again. Oh, shit. And that is the bizarre and never boring survival story of Brian Robson, the Welsh crate man.
01:52:27
amazing i see you have a photo back there let me see i've been waiting a couple photos i've been
01:52:32
this is this is brian when he landed in london after everything was over hey right yeah doesn't
01:52:40
he look like a pure hipster pure british hipster his this is a picture of gary hatch
01:52:45
the la lax cargo handler who got into the crate to show like news people what it looked like when
01:52:54
they opened the crate uh-huh look at that dreamboat hello governor i don't know where that
01:53:00
came from this isn't england damn right but look at that's all the room he had oh that's what you
01:53:07
meant i thought he was hot no no i did mean he was hot wow that plus the space you didn't need
01:53:13
that suitcase i bet there was nothing in it you really needed because that would have been some
01:53:17
leg room right there. For real. That's not okay. It's insanity. It's purely insanity.
01:53:25
We'll put those up on our Instagram and socials and all that shit. My favorite murder.
01:53:29
Yes. Maybe a photo of the hamburger with corn on it. Dude, we just hit two hours and 20
01:53:35
minutes. Shut up! Enough talking. I mean, truly. Listen, okay, in the future, we're going to want to start doing
01:53:41
fucking hurries again, so please start sending those in. You can comment on our social
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