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Own the dream. Hello! And welcome to My Favorite Murder! That's Georgia Hardstar. That's Karen Kilgariff.
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And we're here to do a podcast for you. Are you interested? All right. Do you listen to podcasts? Oh my God, you have to. They're so funny slash interesting
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slash incredibly boring. Do you ever meet someone who doesn't listen to podcasts,
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who's like a podcast, like, you know, the target audience, and you're like, what are you doing with your life?
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Because they don't listen. To any podcasts. They've never discovered that little purple button on their phone.
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Is it purple? I think so. It's just so weird to me because there's so many different topics.
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If you're into food, let's say, which everyone does. Oxygen. There's a great oxygen podcast from the Oxygen Network called Breathing Deep.
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Breathing Heavy. that was that's of course ian la van zant's new podcast that's right um yeah there's you can truly
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you can be the most uh only interested in one obscure thing person in the world yeah and there's
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a podcast for you i mean there's falling asleep podcasts so like to me that's just like the most
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that's just the most random thing but there's many podcasts for it because everyone needs it
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There's also a search feature, which even though I've been listening to podcasts for a long time, I've never thought of this.
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And this is how I do the dishes and the laundry and things in the morning. In the search box on the podcast app, you just put in the name of the person you would like to listen to talking.
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So one morning I was like, wait a second. I don't just have to think about that time I stood next to Colin Farrell at the ArcLight.
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I can actually put his name in the search bar and any. And of course he's done podcasts.
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I think he did his brother-in-law's podcast. No. Yes, I swear to God. Who's his brother-in-law?
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A podcaster? It's just his, I believe it's his brother's husband that does a podcast that had him on.
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Oh, how cute. Which is awesome. Yes. Makes you love him even more. He's very smart.
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Is he? Do you love him even more? Look, this is my private thing. I'm saying you put your private Colin Farrell into the search bar and then start yourself
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on podcast through the door of your specific intro. I've done that. I put like, like I was really interested in certain things, like certain psychiatry podcasts for a while. So like you put in like, you know, MDMA therapy or ketamine therapy just to like learn more about it. There's millions of probably hundreds of thousands. I don't know about millions. Podcasts about it.
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There's probably 15. There's probably at least 15. Men's. There's definitely at least 15.
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Right. Start there. Also, it's so funny because it's such a specific thing that you don't have to like popular podcasts.
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Right. I say this all the time, most of the time to members of my family. That's okay.
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I don't expect you to like it. or care whether or not you like it because everybody it's it's it's almost as specific as
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the friends you have yeah you don't you don't have friends whose voices make you want to claw
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your eyes out yeah same with podcast hosts you don't you don't want to binge hang out with your
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friends certain friends certain some you do some you do but like a lot of times the the people who
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make you fall asleep you only want to hang out with them from like 1 a.m to 3 a.m that's right
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And the friends you want to hang out with for like a month, like you would never get sick of them.
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Those are the podcasts you binge. Yes. Right. Here's what's funny. We're explaining podcasts to people who are already into podcasts.
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Every single person listening right now knows. And yet. Screaming no doy at the top of their lungs.
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Otherwise like I didn find this on a PBS station here in Georgia Right I didn this I not anyone else mom I know how to use this podcast You know what I speaking of PBS you know what I fucking found randomly on TV I don even know
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if it's on PBS. Actually, this would be a BBC. But however, test me. I'll tell you right now.
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I the fucking why don't I always watch this Antiques Roadshow, but in fucking the UK,
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where things are older than they are here. Much older. And people act almost offended
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when their thing is worth a lot of money. They're kind of like put out by it. Whereas like you can tell the Americans are like,
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yeah, go ahead and tell me. This is the only reason I'm here. I don't care about this.
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The history of it. This jar. Yeah, exactly. But the British, have we talked about this already?
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Probably. It's been 5 million episodes. Yeah, true. True, true. I just love that, that the British are very demure when they're like, well, this wooden box is worth 300,000 pounds.
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Oh, my. They're almost like grossed out by it. Yeah. Oh, it's ostentatious because it's ostentatious, right?
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Right. Where that's what basically what Americans are. Hell yes. Including myself.
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I'm not talking shit. No, we're included. Yeah. We're over the top, the two of us.
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We really are obnoxious. Especially when it comes to bargain or gold digging through antiques.
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But there's nothing cooler than when you look at a thing and the person says, oh, where did you find this?
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The person tells some story and then they're like, well, it's an ancient artist.
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Totally. What's better? Nothing's better. Or like, here's a little trick about it you didn't know.
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The back opens up and out comes a magical elf who will grant you three wishes. You're like, oh, my.
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And then the British people are like, oh, no, no, thank you for the elf. We're going to keep it in our family.
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That's right. They always keep it. They never want the money. They leave it in the foyer.
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That's right. For the grandchildren to break. To break and ruin. I'm positive we've talked about the repair shop because when my dad came to visit me last year, he and I like binged the repair shop.
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And it's the British show. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Where they take these treasured antiques all around the Great Britain and bring them in because it was like, this was my father's tricycle.
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Yeah. Or this was my mother's precious China bowl that somebody dropped. That I smashed in a rage.
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Yes. Now, could you please glue it back together, believably? Yeah. Because I love when on Antiques Roadshow, you could be like, and here you can tell that someone tried to repair it.
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And like, that's totally me with all my vintage shit. Just like a fucking hammer and some Gorilla Glue.
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And just like, it's not fixed. Oh, man. I'm just thinking now about the myriad of beautiful vintage pieces that I so lovingly picked wherever I went that one of my many cats have broken.
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Just shattered. Yeah. But I'm going to let go and let go. It's a tough one to let go of, though.
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I told you about that dream I had once where I was in a weird thrift store, didn't know where I was.
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And suddenly I looked in the glass case, you know, where normally they keep watches at a thrift store.
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And it was all my old stuff from my childhood, like through high school. And I was like, that's mine.
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And it was actually shit you recognized. Oh, yes. In the dream, I recognized it.
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But then when I woke up, I was sitting there trying to remember. And it was just symbolism, basically.
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But all of it, it was such a freak out. And I was just like, that's so obviously what it's at the bottom of all that, of that thrifting kind of treasure hunting.
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Yeah. Like letting things go, fucking wanting, waiting. I don't know. Anticipating.
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For you to justify. My love. My love. Hey, Madonna was on the VMAs. Was she really?
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I didn't watch it. I just read. I just wake up every morning at 4 a.m. and then read random news.
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Do you? And then I'm never sure if I actually read it or if I sleep, I sleep read it.
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But I did see that. And I'm proud of her because as a 51 year old woman, when I scrolled the red carpet photos of the VMAs, no joke, I didn't know who one person was except for Olivia Rodrigo.
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Karen, Vince and I did that last night. I also did not understand why brain would not fucking comprehend those outfits.
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Like what in the fuck? It looked it truly looked like a satire of a red carpet thing from a movie set in the near future.
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Or the early 2000s. Because I think it was Doja Cat who was wearing a hat that was a chair on her head.
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Oh, my God. I love Doja Cat, by the way. There's an episode in season two of the show Dave that is incredible that she's in and she fucking kills it.
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She's so incredible. I fell in love with her. That show is great. I only know her for a hat chair.
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But she had a fucking hat and chair. I don't understand high art and fashion. Clearly.
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It's not to be understood. Should we go to our recurring corner of Game of Thrones?
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Our brand new recurring corner of Game of Thrones. We might get sued for that. Let's not get sued.
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It's just, I just did. That's three notes. They can't pin me down on that. There's no way.
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Okay. I've only watched one more episode because Vince has been home. Okay. And he keeps saying like, we can watch it if you want.
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And I'm like, I don't want to do that to you. You don't want to force someone to watch something that they might only a little bit like.
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Right. And then the whole time, that's so-and-so. And she killed this person's pet.
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And then they got mad. And then there's Dragon. Like, I don't want to have to keep explaining things to him.
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And then he just pats your hand. Uh-huh. Yes. Oh, sweetheart. Is that your interest?
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Why are you scrolling? You're still scrolling. Like, why are you on your phone? Do you not like this?
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We could turn it off. We could totally turn it off. Let's turn Seinfeld on. Like, I don't want to fucking do that.
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Let's just turn Seinfeld on. So Game of Thrones is now your private show It my private show It not my relationship show You asked me a question about who I was going to say will you tell me as well as some listeners who your favorite character is so far
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It has to be. And I don't know how to say her name. And I thought it was a different name.
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And so now I'm confused. Who's what's her name? Oh, the Mother of Dragons? Yeah.
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It's Daenerys. Daenerys. Daenerys. And what's the actress's name? amelia clark oh is that right is that right let me look it up yeah amelia clark oh steven says yes
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so you love the you love the mother of dragons yeah and i have a feeling she's gonna become a
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badass motherfucker oh that's yes you're right right on but then i was just scroll i i kind of
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accidentally made a mistake and scrolled through this like the top favorite characters and like
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read a little bit so now i'm like oh i'm actually gonna not like um aria stark's little brother
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Like, oh, oh, right. Oops. You know, I'm actually going to like Sansa, even though I can't stand her. And by episode four and like Cersei, she's going to be a badass motherfucker.
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Yeah, good guess. Even though I don't actually like her right now, but I'm going to like her later.
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Not supposed to like her right now. Yeah. The pixie cut. Yes. Then she becomes cool.
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See, that is the, to me, the frustration of when you don't either have the time or decide not to get into something that's popular in a moment.
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But then because of the way social media works, you ingest it anyway. I already know like who the killer is or whatever.
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Yeah, completely. Have you gotten to the part where Ned Stark's wife, I can't remember her first name, Mrs. Stark goes to visit her sister?
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No. Okay. But I do love Ned and Mrs. Stark a lot. Do you? Especially Mrs. Stark. Oh, is that a mistake? I still love the king. He's fucking hilarious.
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Oh, yeah. Mm hmm. I could tell. Oh, bad things are going to happen to everyone. Look, bad things. Everyone gets fucked over.
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Everyone. Yes. And everyone gets fucked over in that show and in life. So don't get too attached to anyone. Yeah. And both.
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OK. I mean, it's not like I think it's a fucking romcom where everyone like ends up together.
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I know it's like everyone turns on. It's like fucking medieval times. Oh, a bunch of people told us that it's based on the actual story, War of the Roses, from way, way back when.
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So you weren't wrong in thinking like, you know, this is based on an actual. It's historically based.
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It is. So, yeah. Yeah. It's real. They did like real royal stuff. Right. And real wars.
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Uh-huh. But. With a little bit of fantasy. With a little this and that. Mixed in.
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Sprinkled upon it with Greg sprinkles. All right. Do you have a surprise? Okay. So as I told you last, as I told you before.
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All right. Here's how the epic tale starts. Okay. I told you about how I was really into a gross food.
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Read it. I showed you a thing for Brock's Thanksgiving candy that was Thanksgiving flavored.
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You said there's no way. It must just be like the cornucopia of like shapes, but not flavors.
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I was like, yeah, that makes way more sense. Then everyone told us that that's not true.
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It's actually the flavors. Then I go online and I fucking find them. They're probably expired because I bet they're from last year.
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Yes. No, there's no way. Brock's doesn't roll like that. They don't expire. They would never.
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Well, I didn't buy it from them. I bought it from like a suspicious third party.
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Oh, yeah. So they arrived last week. Spelled B-R-O-C-K-S. Oh, no. And I've lost them now.
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Where did I put? Oh, here they are. Okay. So, okay. First of all, look at, there's a giant turkey on the front.
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Yes, there is. Because you know. Yeah. All right. Let me tell you the flavors. We're going to post a photo of this online.
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So the flavors are turkey dinner, apple pie, coffee, green beans, cranberry sauce, and stuffing.
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Okay. can we do a thing really quick where we lay out like do a handful and lay them out so we can each
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taste a thing okay we'll pick each pick two should we pick different ones or should we pick the same
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one okay we'll figure it out all right so okay here's what i think i think green beans is the
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green one cranberry sauce i'm gonna guess that one's coffee no no that one's coffee i think that's
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turkey. I bet that one's stuffing. Okay. I've touched yours multiple times now. So apologies.
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Guess what? That's loose candy for you. I think we should just start with green beans. Okay. First
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of all, let's tell the listeners for the visual, this is not, I assumed these candies would be
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shaped like the things they were flavored as, but they're just candy corn in different color
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combinations. Yeah. They're triangle candy corns in different colors. So I think the green one has
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to be green bean do we just start hard and let's just start hard and heavy okay oh that's disgusting oh no no no don't spit it out well oh my god what a waste what a waste of
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candy what is this for brocks i have to salute them this is fucking hilarious i feel like they're
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they're doing like almost a boxed beans kind of oh yeah disgusting flavors but this is like
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brilliant if you can't stand your family and none of you guys can talk about anything or get along
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yeah i can get these for halloween for all right for thanksgiving that's what i meant okay let's do
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cranberry nuggets because i need something better than that yeah for real okay cranberry gongam
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oh tart cranberry oh covering up that green that pea where it green bean green bean All right Now we get into some mysterious territory because I don know which is which here okay so there really no visual thing on the back of the bag no all right so i think this is kind of fun though because you have to guess which like what what
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no you're right i'm just trying to cleanse my palate that i liked the cranberry okay i'm guessing
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this one's coffee so let's save it for last because it'll taste good the darkest one i've had
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yeah one is apple okay so what we have left is apple pie roasted turkey one of the ones we're
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going to eat right now is either apple pie stuffing or turkey so which one do you want like
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um should we just do the because these other two actually look very similar so we do the one with
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the yellow bottom yeah yeah okay ready oh my god it's stuffing oh my god is it stuffing or turkey
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it might be turkey oh my god wow weird it's the consistency of candy corn but the but the taste of
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stove top stuffing oh my god all right i think this brown one is gonna be turkier lighter or darker darker oh okay go
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oh it's apple pie oh oh that's kind of cute i kind of love it how it just feels insane to be doing this where it's
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like now it's either stuffing or coffee this is definitely stuffing don't you think yes for sure
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but i mean well we have to eat it though but apple pie just saved us from that stuffing i know or
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turkey or coffee i am like i can i can get through this next one which i think is turkey
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because i know i have coffee waiting for us at the end okay right so here we go ready for
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Fucking turkey candy corn. Turkey candy corn. Oh. Ew, ew, ew. I can't believe you made the rule we can't spit it.
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You have to eat it. It's not part of... You know what this tastes like? Hmm. Lipton chicken noodle soup.
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Oh my God, like ramen-y, like a packet of the flavor from ramen. That is... Oh my God, that is foul.
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Oh, look at her go. Because it's turkey. It's right inside there. It's right inside our brain.
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All right, let's eat the coffee and get this over with. So we're just going to pour down.
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It's like, who eats turkey dinner? I mean, Thanksgiving dinner this way. It's like eat six bites of turkey and then pound some coffee.
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When you have Thanksgiving, you can only eat the entirety of one side and then the next.
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You can't mix them together. That would actually suck because mixing them together is the jam.
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Oh, my God. I'm all about a perfect bite. like that's my thing is like the perfect piled bite on a fork yeah in one bite yeah well that
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was disgusting here we go coffee coffee anyone oh okay they should have a whole bag of this
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oh my god right what if it was all coffee and apple pie the apple pie i'm like this oh shit
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do you remember which one the apple pie was because i want another one oh fuck i love that
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you got them though i'm so it's so thrilling to get immediate gratification how fun when i thought
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of it i had i did like an evil laugh i'd like a muhahaha yeah and then i found it may 20 may 2022
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so that should last we're in the clear for a while i mean i truly feel like i'm going to vomit
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i mean i don't know why we had to eat i know and i'm a little hungry too like i haven't eaten in a
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while so i'm also like you know that disgusting sugar you just ate something you ate pie like i
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needed protein but instead i ate candy well you had turkey i did have a nice but then you had that
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big cup of coffee you're not gonna go to sleep tonight sleeping podcasts not even sleeping
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podcasts can save me from brock's coffee uh that this made me think because getting into holiday-ish
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things um here in los angeles we don't have any type of weather it's always 90 degrees apparently
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lately so it doesn't this is the first holiday-ish feeling thing but halloween's right around the
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corner as we all know the 12 foot skeletons are back at home depot are they yeah people are getting
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them they're posting them they're it made me think so friend of the podcast our friend jason lopez
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he told me that he was he went on a trip and his friends were talking about going to uh i can't
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remember if it was knott's berry farm or universal studios but they had like the halloween horror
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Nights. Is that Knott's Berry Farm? Stephen. Not Scary Farm? Stephen would know. Yeah, Universal does Horror
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Nights and Knott's Berry Farm does Not Scary Farm. So, Stephen, which one do you know? This year there's one that
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you have eight haunted corn mazes or eight haunted mazes. Ooh, I believe Horror Nights will have, they have like a Halloween
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4 themed maze. I think there's a house on Haunted Hill maze as well, too. So they have a bunch?
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Yeah, they have a bunch, yeah. One is great. why one is plenty and they have so they have different themes and he was like uh you know one
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one was the saw movie now why i'm like sorry so what you walk in you don't know how to get out
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yeah and the guy from saw is there absolutely not i don't even want to watch that movie
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you know what i mean just a night where i'm like but this is the way it's like this is how we mark
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time now. We're eating candy flavored like stuffing to torture ourselves. For us because
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we live in LA. So there's no other way to know what time period is. This is how, yeah, other
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people are like, oh, the leaves are turning. Yeah. And people are using their wood burning stoves
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because it's starting to get cold. Right. And we're like, I guess the saw haunted corn maze has
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gone up over yonder. So go out there in your 90 degree weather clothes and celebrate.
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Oh, I just was going to tell you last night I did my classic move of falling asleep kind of
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early watching something foreign that of course immediately because I had to read
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oh yeah oh my god and so I woke up like at three in the morning put myself to bed could not go to
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sleep and then uh decided I was going to start the new that there's a show that I've been it's
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just been advertised so much and I thought it was the newest season of the last man on earth
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the Will Forte show and Kristen Schaal show but it's not it's called why the last man
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and it's actually based on a graphic novel and it's starring Diane Lane and a bunch of other
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people uh and it's so good that I ended up binging like four episodes so I watched it
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from four in the morning until like it got light outside and I made coffee Karen that's
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Are you okay? I mean, probably not. I've been in this house too much. I mean, I want to watch it.
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This sounds amazing. But like the thought of like the light coming up outside. I know.
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But I have to say, it's just it's just nerve wracking enough because of what the subject matter is that it kind of kept me alert and awake.
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And then I still to this day when I stay up late and quote unquote do what I want.
00:25:09
Yeah. Get such an unbelievably huge charge out of it. Like when I just look at the dogs and I'm like, I'm going to go make coffee.
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I might as well just get up. And it's so early that it's weird. I get I think that's great.
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Like it's like grownups can't tell you what to do. No one can tell me what to do.
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You never get over that feeling. Or like when you go in the candy aisle or ice cream aisle at the grocery store.
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And you're like, I can buy whatever I fucking want. I might as well be yelling, yes, I can, mom, out loud as I do that stuff.
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Do it. Do it. Yes, I can, mom. I knew the inflection would be fucking great in that one.
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That's fine. Yes, I can. Now do it as drunk, Karen. Yeah, mom, I can too. I watched Beetlejuice.
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It was great. A classic. A classic. Such a good one. Speaking of needing a Halloween costume, that is like, do something there.
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That's a great one. I think that might be one of Alec Baldwin's most charming roles.
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How cute is he in that? He's an incredibly good-looking man. Yeah. Almost like Yacht Club good-looking.
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Yeah. It's a little bit like, all right. But he plays a nerd in it, which is so charming and cute.
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Yes. That's such a great movie. He's Lydia's dad. Lydia's dad. No, he's not. Wait, what?
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Is he not the dad? Oh, no, no. Lydia. Hey. the whole time i just kept going tim burton you mania and i was also like how did they let us
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watch this tim burton scared the shit out of us as children but he did it in that way like when
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they go to the waiting room and the person the tiny smoking ed i laughed so hard i felt like
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unhinged yeah it was so funny to me yeah i loved it so much it was just the best visual
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Yeah, but it's like nightmare, what's it called? Botter. Thank you. Yeah. Except for that it's almost like saying we all have nightmares and this is what nightmares look like and it's fine.
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Yeah. Sometimes things aren't scary, like ghosts are not scary. And sometimes scary stuff is scary at first and then you get used to it.
00:27:17
Yeah. You know, if we're going to talk about Tim Burton and am I wrong in saying that he directed Ed Wood?
00:27:26
Yeah. I am wrong. No. Or I'm right. I think you're right. No, he directed Ed Wood.
00:27:32
He directed Ed Wood. Fucking that's another one to revisit. Like, I feel like Beetlejuice is on the like, if you're feeling like you need an upswing.
00:27:39
Yeah. But Ed Wood is it. I love that movie. I love how it's based on a true story.
00:27:46
it's the celebration of this hollywood lunatics life yeah and it's real and it's hilarious yeah
00:27:53
so it's all the tim burton things but it really happened totally totally love i love edward it's
00:27:59
like a biopic it is fucking edward scissorhands we could go on i just think of like they're you
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00:28:12
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Hey everyone, it's Cal Penn, host of Earsay, the Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club.
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This week on the podcast, I'm sitting down with Lily Chu, the author of the Audible original romantic comedy, Just Kiss Already.
00:30:05
It's a story about a forensic anthropologist who secretly writes mystery novels,
00:30:10
an actress who adapts his book into a film, and what happens when a meme and a media tour collide with a slow burn romance.
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It's performed by Simu Liu and Philippa Su, and it is an absolute blast. When you actually hear the performance, you realize that other people are taking your words,
00:30:31
and what you thought was kind of a straightforward sentence like, the cat in the corner is black.
00:30:36
In my head, it's the cat in the corner is black, not the dog, not the gerbil. But someone else might say it, the cat in the corner is black.
00:30:44
That's always fascinating to me, how they just bring in all these different nuances
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and really make it fun and interesting and distinctive. Listen to Earsay, the Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club on the iHeartRadio app
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or wherever you get your podcasts. Am I first this week? Yeah. All right. So this week, I'm going to tell you a story that I found during one of my many late night cold case news scrollings that piqued my interest and is going on right now.
00:31:22
And there's a recent twist to it. So the sources I used in today's episode are The Guardian by an article by Richard Lescombe, the Unsolved Mysteries fandom page, which is really cool.
00:31:37
The Rocky Mountain Cold Case website, a UPI article, a New York Times article written by Maria Kramer, a Nine News article by Matt Jablo, and a Fox 31 News article by Evan Krugel.
00:31:49
Okay. So have you ever heard of Breckenridge, Colorado? No. Okay, it's a former mining town dating back to the gold rush. It's at the base of the Rocky Mountains, about 80 miles from Denver. So like a cute little quaint ski resort town, lots of beautiful old buildings, breweries, you know, like nice restaurants, an art scene, small, cool little town.
00:32:13
So on the evening of January 6th, 1982, 29-year-old Barbara Jo Oberholzer, whose nickname is Bobby, I'm going to call her that from now on, she is at a Breckenridge bar with some friends celebrating a promotion at work.
00:32:28
A little before 8 p.m., she decides to leave early and head back to her husband named Jeff.
00:32:34
Instead of getting a ride back with her friends who are leaving a little later, she decides to hitchhike, which, of course, is totally normal at the time.
00:32:41
Everyone hitchhikes around town. And the area is known for being a popular ski resort, so there's a lot of rich tourists.
00:32:49
But the people who live in town, a lot of them can't afford their own car, so hitchhiking is the norm.
00:32:54
Bobby has a couple rules she follows. When she hitchhikes, she doesn't get into cars with two men in there and she won't get into vans.
00:33:02
So hitchhiking is super normal, but everyone's still a little aware that it's dangerous and are still careful about it.
00:33:08
But by the next morning, she's not home. And so Jeff, her husband, tries to file a missing persons report.
00:33:15
But, you know, as it was in the 80s, you can't file one for an adult. It's too early to probably just fucking spend the night at a friend's house sort of a thing.
00:33:23
Right. However, and so he goes out with his friends trying to find her. They can't track her down.
00:33:28
But the next day at around 3 p.m., a farmer who lives 30 miles outside of Breckenridge finds Bobby's license, gets a hold of Jeff, and he comes out to pick up the license.
00:33:40
And on his way, he spots something in a snowy field and he finds it's Bobby's backpack, his wife's backpack.
00:33:48
so he also finds a blood spattered wool glove and some tissues that are also covered in blood
00:33:55
and also found there is a woman's orange booty like her orange sock like snow booty that doesn't
00:34:01
belong to bobby um jeff and his friends start searching for bobby and two hours later 10 miles
00:34:08
south of breckridge they find her body um 15 miles from where her backpack was recovered so
00:34:15
almost like someone scattered her possessions after leaving the body. Police find a pair of 18-inch zip ties tied to one of Bobby's wrists,
00:34:25
meaning they think someone had tried to bind her, but she maybe got away before they were able to bind both wrists.
00:34:34
In the parking lot of the bar that Bobby had been in that night, police find her key ring, and there's also this metal hook on the key ring
00:34:42
that her husband had made her as a defensive tool, just in case she ever got in any trouble.
00:34:47
And it looks like maybe she had pulled it out to try to use it. So they think maybe she had gotten in the car with whoever picked her up,
00:34:56
realized something was amiss. He tried to zip tie her. She took out her tool and ran and was able to escape the car.
00:35:04
And then they think that she ran downhill to get away. And then the killer caught up with her.
00:35:08
And so she had been shot twice. So they think that that's how she was stopped when she was running away.
00:35:15
And then she died a short distance away of blood loss. Then law enforcement gets word that that very same day, the day before that Bobby had gone missing, another young woman had also disappeared from Breckeridge.
00:35:29
And this is a small town, about a thousand residents. So this is like two women in one day.
00:35:35
That is very odd. Mm So at around 4 that day a 21 woman named Annette Schnee who was a cocktail waitress had been hitchhiking home after running some errands
00:35:47
But Annette didn't make it home. There's no trace of her until six months later on July 3rd when her body is found by what is called like a young boy or a youth, which always is terrible.
00:36:00
Yes. While he was fishing. It's an isolated mountain area where she's found in what's called Sacramento Creek.
00:36:07
20 miles south of Breckenridge. Annette's body had been well-preserved because of the freezing temperatures,
00:36:12
and the medical examiner is able to determine that Annette died from a gunshot, same as Bobby.
00:36:18
She's wearing both shoes, and on one of her feet is an orange booty. It's the same as the one found at Bobby's scene, so clearly they're connected.
00:36:28
Police speculate that the killer had murdered Annette first, and then hours later picked up Bobby and murdered her,
00:36:34
And then I discarded the belongings between the two scenes. And so the orange sock must have somehow been mixed up by the killer and accidentally discarded.
00:36:45
Also in Annette's possession is one of Bobby's husband, Jeff's business cards. Oh, right.
00:36:53
Yeah. So, of course, Jeff immediately becomes top suspect. Law enforcement questions him about Annette.
00:36:59
So at first he denies knowing her at all. But then he sees a picture of her on the news later and goes back to law enforcement.
00:37:08
It's like, yeah, I actually do know her. I've met her once. He said he had picked up Annette once while she was hitchhiking and given her his business card of his appliance repair shop after she mentioned needing something fixed.
00:37:22
So, like, fucking coincidence. With a capital C. Right. Of course, he denies any involvement in her disappearance or in his wife's death, takes a polygraph test, passes, apparently has an alibi for the night, but it's sketchy.
00:37:38
And of course, law enforcement consider him the top suspect, but aren't able to collect enough evidence to charge him.
00:37:45
The case goes cold and becomes the area's like biggest, most enduring cold case.
00:37:50
Okay. Fast forward about seven years. Retired Denver homicide detective Charlie McCormick, he gets burnt out on the Denver homicide scene. It's too stressful for him. So he finally retires and moves to Breckenridge.
00:38:07
He hears about the mysterious double murder that happened on the same day in his new hometown.
00:38:13
And because he's a homicide detective at heart, his interest has peaked. Over time, he becomes more and more involved in the case until 1989.
00:38:23
Annette's family hires him as their private investigator on the case. He chases some leads throughout the years of serial killers in Montana and Idaho, other suspects as well.
00:38:34
Later, he volunteers for the district attorney's task force that's opened. He continues to work on the case almost every day for the next three decades.
00:38:44
And guess how much he charges for his detective services, private detective services for Annette's family?
00:38:50
Nothing. A dollar a year. Oh. I know. I know. So he's like, I want to do this. It's so symbolic.
00:38:58
Well, you know what I like about that is, is that he clearly wanted to be a homicide detective.
00:39:05
Yeah. Like the, the culture, you know, like was part of why he couldn't do it. Right.
00:39:11
But he can do it by himself. Totally. Independently and separately. And he still wants to be a person that's helping.
00:39:19
Yeah. Like solve those crimes and clear those cases. Yeah, like as soon as he heard about it in his new small hometown, he's not just going to be like, well, whatever that is, bye.
00:39:30
Yeah, he wants to, it's like, like anyone else who would hear about that and have the interest would be like, I need to know what happened.
00:39:38
He's somebody who could actually, who has the skills and the availability or the, you know, means to get it done.
00:39:46
Totally. So originally the blood on the glove and tissue found near Bobby's belongings were thought to be her blood. But in the 90s, the blood is tested and results show that the blood actually belongs to a man. So that male DNA is tested against Jeff's, the husband of Bobby. It's not his DNA.
00:40:06
Oh, wow. And so as a result of this and other evidence, including several alibi witnesses, he's eventually cleared as a suspect.
00:40:15
So the fact that his wife gets killed on one day and another woman gets killed on the same day and happens to have his fucking business card in her wallet is just a coincidence.
00:40:27
It's literally and truly just a coincidence. How fucking bananas is that? Yeah, that's horrifying.
00:40:32
Yeah. And you imagine like so many years, everyone in town thinks she fucking did it.
00:40:38
Well, and also it's that thing of that is in those cases that it's one thing like that, that it even if it's not enough evidence to prosecute, it just is enough evidence to change everyone's mind about you.
00:40:52
Totally. Totally. And it would be hard to explain that we're just like, yeah. It's not out of this realm of possibility that everyone would think he's guilty. It totally makes sense.
00:41:02
Yeah. So unfortunately, the male DNA is not in the criminal database. So the case goes cold again in the 90s. Police look into several different suspects in the case. One is a cab driver named Thomas Edward Luther, who in February 1982 in Breckridge had picked up a hitchhiker and had raped and assaulted her. And while in jail, he allegedly bragged about being responsible for the murders. And according to his girlfriend, he didn't come home on the night of the murders.
00:41:28
And then another suspect named Tracy Petroselli murdered his fiance in 1981 and went on a multi crime spree And during this crime spree he stayed at the Holiday Inn where Annette worked Oh wow So another fucking crazy coincidence
00:41:47
Neither suspect's DNA matches the evidence from the crime scene. All right. So 20 years later,
00:41:53
in 2018, authorities decide to go the forensic genealogy route in hopes of finding a DNA match.
00:41:59
So the company United Data Connect finds 12,000 people who are a possible match to the DNA profile.
00:42:07
That's on the glove and the tissue. And private investigator Charlie McCormick, who's now 80 years old and still on the case.
00:42:14
I know. And he's like, the photo of him, he's like salt of the earth grandpa. Sure.
00:42:20
And so he and his team start going through the 12,000 people. Like, you know, genealogy can only get you so far.
00:42:27
You still have to do the groundwork. groundwork footwork footwork yeah thank you but it's the same your feet are on the ground that's
00:42:36
right they have to be pick one so the team reaches out to a ton of people who like make sense in those
00:42:43
12 000 people and they all agree to give dna and so finally after a year of searching the team finds
00:42:49
a direct match to whoever the killer is so a relative of the killer um all right so i'm gonna
00:42:56
pivot real quick for another story that made news in the area at the same time as the missing women
00:43:03
did. So on January 6th, 1982, same day that the women went missing, at just before midnight,
00:43:11
Sheriff Harold E. Bray is on a United Airlines flight to California. As the plane is flying over
00:43:18
the Guanella Pass in Colorado, over these mountain ranges, thousands of feet above,
00:43:25
the sheriff sees headlights blinking the morse code signal for sos like he just happens to be
00:43:33
looking out the window he happens to be a sheriff so he knows sos and he fucking sees blinking sos
00:43:40
oh my ew ew keep going okay like the chills like what what did he do i know the sheriff tells the
00:43:47
flight crew and they radio the FAA, the Federal Aviation Administration. The controller for the
00:43:55
FAA asks a close by plane to investigate. The plane circles the area, spots a car that had
00:44:02
blinking SOS, flashes his light to let the driver know that he's been located. And then the FAA
00:44:08
contacts Clear Creek County Fire Chief David Montoya. He's like, can't fucking believe what
00:44:15
he's hearing. A sheriff in an airplane saw a car on the ground using headlights to signal SOS.
00:44:23
Later, he says, he tells Nine News, I thought it was the craziest thing I'd ever heard of.
00:44:29
So Dave drives to the top of the Gwinella Pass, which has an elevation over 11,000 feet
00:44:34
and is widely known to be unpassable during the winter. Again, it's January. um dave finds a truck stuck in a snowdrift and inside is a 30 year old local mechanic named alan
00:44:45
lee phillips dave says sure as heck there he was in his little pickup and he saw me and said oh my
00:44:52
god i'm saved it's a small town sheriff like this shit like this doesn't happen right you know so
00:44:59
the fire chief dave um asks alan what he's doing in the guinella pass when it's 20 below freezing
00:45:05
and has been snowing heavily and he doesn't have chains on his tires, like kind of everyone in the
00:45:10
area knows not to be driving there. He said he'd been drinking at a bar with some friends and had
00:45:17
decided to drive home, which, you know, over the past and he'd been drinking. So he thought it was
00:45:23
a good idea at the time. You know, the 80s when drinking and driving. Were an excuse you could
00:45:27
tell the sheriff and that would be okay. Right. Alan says that as he traveled over the pass, his truck got stuck.
00:45:36
He tried to dig the truck out. It didn't work. He started walking to a nearby ski area, but realized it was too cold.
00:45:42
So he got back in his truck, covered with an emergency blanket, and then thought about
00:45:46
what to do. He heard the airplane, flashed SOS. And so that, you know, he got fucking saved.
00:45:55
He would have frozen to death in his truck. Yeah. Like quickly. Yeah. Before driving Alan home, Dave, the fire chief, notices that Alan has a, quote, sizable bruise on the side of his face.
00:46:07
When asked about the bruise, Alan says while he was waiting for help, he'd gotten out of his truck to pee.
00:46:13
When he tried to get back in, he was blinded by the snow and slammed headfirst into the corner of the truck.
00:46:20
the story of this crazy rescue of a man who otherwise would have frozen to death becomes
00:46:26
huge news well almost 40 years later 40 years from the day that the two women had been murdered
00:46:35
and this guy had been found on the pass the dna from the glove and tissue belong turns out to
00:46:43
None other than that man who had been disposing of Annette's body after he had gone over the pass.
00:46:52
So like these two fucking separate stories just in 2018 turned out to be related.
00:46:59
Holy shit. Yeah. So Alan Lee Phillips is his name. He's matched to the DNA via a discarded fast food wrapper that had traces of his saliva on.
00:47:11
And, you know, it still took a while for them to track him down and to match the DNA.
00:47:15
It isn't until his mugshot is shown on local television news that the now retired fire chief, Dave, our friend Dave Montoya, recognizes him as the guy who 40, almost 40 years ago, he had saved from the mountain pass.
00:47:28
So they hadn't even put it together yet that it was the same dude. And that's exactly he had been fucking disposing of Annette's body.
00:47:36
Oh, my God. I know. Chilling, right? Dave says, quote, we ended up picking up the guy straight out of hell.
00:47:44
So as it turns out, Alan hadn't been driving home from the bar that night. He was heading home after killing Bobby and Annette.
00:47:50
Alan is now 70 years old and the father of three. And since 1982, he had been still living in the Breckenridge area.
00:47:59
On February 24th, 2021, police arrest Allen without incident at a traffic stop in Clear Creek County.
00:48:08
He's charged with kidnapping, first degree assault and first degree murder of both Annette Schnee and Bobby Joe Oberholzer.
00:48:15
Today, Monday the 13th, was his preliminary hearing. Oh, whoa. Yeah. And as of this recording, we don't have much info about him.
00:48:22
I did the best I could about who he is and what he did. He might be connected to more murders, so I'll keep everyone posted.
00:48:29
He also, if he's on his way to court, might be found innocent. Oh, right. Alleged.
00:48:36
Important to mention. It's all alleged. It's all alleged. Right. Bobby's husband, Jeff, who at one time was a suspect, released a statement saying that he praised the arrest, quote, will finally, after all these decades, bring closure and peace to this hideous nightmare.
00:48:51
after Philip's arrest, Annette's mother, Eileen, who is now 88 years old, says her family has endured, quote, 39 years of hell. She said, quote, it's been a rough four
00:49:04
years. I thought maybe I'd be gone before I had closure in this case. And then she said,
00:49:11
I'm ready to go when it's my time now. And that is the story of Annette Schnee and Bobby Joe
00:49:18
Oberholzer. I mean, holy shit. Yeah. That is the craziest, most roundabout. First of all,
00:49:28
I can't believe I've never heard that. Because it just happened. They were just connected as
00:49:34
two cold cases you hadn't heard about. It was one guy driving over a fucking mountain pass you
00:49:39
hadn't heard about. And then it turns out they're connected. Yeah. I mean, the mountain pass story
00:49:44
feels like the kind of weird news story that you would read separately in any way.
00:49:48
Yeah. The idea that they're all the same storyline in out of chronological order is mind blowing.
00:49:56
And it's not until this guy sees him on the news that he puts it all together. Fucking 40 years later.
00:50:01
I can't recognize someone I met last weekend. But it must have been, well, because it was weird enough as it was, but it must have been very.
00:50:11
I mean, it made the news. The event itself, but I'm saying I wonder if that fire chief just had some kind of a vibe of like, oh, this is interesting and weird and off.
00:50:12
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And whatever. But he's also not a cop. So he's just like, all right, let's just get you out of here.
00:50:26
Yeah. That part isn't really an issue. Nothing suspicious except for the bruise.
00:50:32
But that does make sense of how he would get it, right? Sure. Well, absolutely. And that as much as the business card in a dead woman's possessions, you know, you can write that off or you would have to.
00:50:47
Anyone can have a bruise for any reason. One you don't even remember. Like, yeah.
00:50:53
Wow. That's that's a mind. That's mind blowing. So if anything comes up, I'll I'll update everyone.
00:50:58
Oh, good. Well, I'm very excited to tell you this story. one that you have definitely seen on any number of true crime shows that we've been watching over
00:51:11
the years and it's very relevant today because this is the disappearance of the candy lady
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This week on the podcast, I am sitting down with Ray Porter, the narrator of Andy Weir's audiobook Project Hail Mary,
00:52:42
massive sci-fi adventure about survival and science and what happens when you wake up alone very far from Earth.
00:52:50
I really had to make a decision because I caught myself getting that frog in my throat and starting to get teary as I'm narrating some of these sections.
00:52:58
And it's like, OK, yo, yo, yo, is this indulgent? And I really thought about it.
00:53:01
I was like, no, at this point, it would kind of be betraying the trust the author and the listener have in telling this story if I don't go through it.
00:53:10
But there's places in this book that deeply emotionally affected me. And I left it on the mic.
00:53:16
That's great. Because it served the story. people will say like oh my god i cried at the end it's like yeah dude me too
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listen to earsay the audible and iheart audiobook club on the iheart radio app or wherever you get your podcasts yes you are yes i did Yes you are And you did And you will We took our Thanksgiving candy Brock taste tester
00:53:39
That's why I was like, could you please remember to bring it? Because if you don't text me and you said, can you please remember to bring that candy?
00:53:48
I'm really excited about it. And I was absolutely going to forget it. And I was like, oh, she's excited.
00:53:52
I'm excited, too. I mean, I was definitely excited separately. but then I just knew that I'd forget bombshell boom amazing amazing so the sources for this story
00:54:05
are a website called criminal element I've never seen it before and there was an article on there
00:54:11
called unwrapping the disappearance of Helen Brock by Philip Jett on tru tv.com there was an article
00:54:17
called Helen Brock gone but not forgotten by Mark Gribben there was tons of great information from
00:54:24
abcchicago.com and the abc7 eyewitness news tons of like updated articles then of course there was
00:54:32
wikipedia caselaw.finelaw.com and this story so uh this starts on thursday february 17th the 1977
00:54:42
a 65 year old widowed heiress to the brock candy company fortune helen brock known around the
00:54:50
Chicago area as the candy lady, is visiting the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota for a routine
00:54:56
checkup. When she's all done, she finds out that she's in good health, everything's normal.
00:55:01
So after her appointment, she walks through one of those tunnels that runs from the clinic
00:55:06
over to her hotel for the non-snow-based people. These are very common yet fascinating structures
00:55:14
in the Midwest and in the East, Eastern seaboard, where basically it helps protect pedestrians from harsh winters,
00:55:25
especially like the ones in Minnesota. They basically look like huge hamster tubes for people.
00:55:31
So she walks across that. She stops in the hotel gift shop to buy a few sundries
00:55:35
before she leaves to catch her flight from Rochester back home to Chicago. And as she's checking out, she tells the cashier,
00:55:42
Please hurry and finish wrapping. My houseman is waiting. Houseman? Houseman? Uh-huh.
00:55:48
Okay. So her houseman is a man named Jack Matlick. He manages Helen's seven-acre estate in Glenview, Illinois.
00:55:57
Do you know how big an acre is? Not really. I live in L.A. So when you're like kind of out in the country.
00:56:05
Yeah. And the average field that you see. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's like not gigantic, of course.
00:56:11
Yeah. But it's just like, you know, I have an idea. Basically, roughly four houses would fit in about an acre. OK, so she lives on a seven acre estate. Enormous. A sprawling place. I think as soon as you call it an estate, I have an idea. You know what I mean?
00:56:30
so when Helen when Helen's in Glenview this man Jack Matlick lives and works at the estate
00:56:37
when she's not in town he and his wife live in another one of Helen's properties properties
00:56:43
in Schaumburg Illinois so in fact Jack is not with Helen in Rochester like she's making the
00:56:50
lady at the hotel gift shop think my houseman is waiting for me she means he's waiting at O'Hare
00:56:57
airport to pick her up when when her flight lands okay essentially okay she's just trying to like
00:57:04
she's she's the original karen essentially yeah hurry up with the wrapping and here's the reason i'm rich okay so when helen's flight does
00:57:15
arrive by jack's account he picks her up in a jeep which makes her mad because she wanted to be
00:57:21
picked up in her pink Lincoln Continental. I mean, she had a pink Lincoln Continental and a
00:57:28
Lavender Rolls Royce because pink and lavender are the Brock's company colors. I'd want to be
00:57:33
picked up in that shit, too. Hell yeah, right? Yeah. Sure. Ed O'Hare. You want the people at
00:57:38
O'Hare to see you. That's fucking right. So instead, Jack shows up in a Jeep. She's pissed.
00:57:44
He claims he was running errands and he didn't have time to swap cars. He takes her home to the
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The two of them stayed at the house for the next four days. And on the fourth day, which is Monday, February 21st, Jack allegedly takes Helen back to O'Hare between around six and seven in the morning to catch a flight to Fort Lauderdale, Florida, to visit her friend Richard Bailey.
00:58:07
But for the next two weeks, no one reports seeing or hearing from Helen Brock either in Florida, where she goes to vacation all the time, or back home in the Chicago area.
00:58:18
So about two weeks after he drops her off at the airport and then doesn't hear anything around March 2nd, 1977, that's when Jack Matlick finally goes to the police and reports Helen Brock as being missing.
00:58:33
So let me tell you a little bit about Helen. Please. She was born November 10th, 1911. Her last name was Voorhees. Her maiden name was Voorhees, just like Jason Voorhees. And she was raised in a working class family in Unionport, Ohio. When she was 17, she married her high school sweetheart. They got divorced just four years later. So Helen eventually moves away from her family and gets a job as a Cahote Jack girl at the Palm Beach Country Club in Palm Beach, Florida. Fancy.
00:59:02
Fancy, and I bet she had fun. And she was a redhead, so she had a shit ton of fun.
00:59:08
That's true. So years later, she's still there. It's 1950. She's 39 years old, and she meets a regular patron of the country club, a man named Frank Brock, who's 59 years old and the just retired heir of the Brock's Candy Company.
00:59:24
So let talk about the Brock Candy Company a little bit Okay Okay so E Brock Sons Candy Company was founded in 1904 by Emil J Brock using his entire life savings of
00:59:38
Whoa. It started out as a small candy stand in Chicago called Brock's Palace of Sweets.
00:59:46
Emil's secret for making better quality caramel was that he baked it rather than broiled it.
00:59:52
Oh. So he changed up the recipe and everybody loved it. So the store gets attention because their candy tastes a little bit different and a little bit better.
01:00:02
I love it. But then Emile's son, Frank, takes over the business and really starts expanding. So Frank invests in updated and innovative equipment, and that enables the Brock family to get their production costs down to 20 cents per pound. And for everybody else in the candy business, it's 50 cents a pound.
01:00:22
So they can put out quality candy at a cheaper price. Sales go through the roof. And at its peak, Brock Candies ran the largest candy manufacturing plant in the world and was responsible for selling two thirds of all bagged candy in the United States.
01:00:38
Holy shit. So they were beasts. And they really cornered the market on Halloween.
01:00:44
So they're one of the first candy companies that gets it right and does individually packed candy.
01:00:51
And that's selling for Halloween better. Wow. And they were the first with fall-themed candy, like candy corn, which people loved when it came out.
01:01:02
Always have. It's legendary. 1958 they also hit on another popular innovation which is a thing called pick a mix yes so this is
01:01:12
the thing and then some people know about this i don't know if it was national or not but at the
01:01:17
end of the grocery store aisle there are there is like a floor to top of the aisle bins yeah
01:01:25
filled with different kinds of candy so there's like caramels and there's hard candies and there's
01:01:31
this and that. Right. And then you go through like the bulk bins and you fill up a plastic bag with
01:01:36
all the different kinds of candies and then you pay for it by the pound. Yes. And this was the
01:01:42
kind of thing where that was like the first time I saw my mom in my eyes shoplift. She would always
01:01:49
eat a pick a mix and she'd be like, oh, stop it. It's just one. It's a sample. Then at our store,
01:01:56
they put a little thing that was like sample put put money in this little thing for a sample like
01:02:02
if you want a sample put a penny in or something oh my god pat it said pat if you want a sample we
01:02:07
know you're stealing pat she'd always roll her eyes where i'd be like oh that's stealing why are
01:02:13
you raising me catholic if you're not gonna abide by these rules okay so in 1966 when frank was ready
01:02:21
to retire, he sells the company to American Home Products Corporation for $136 million.
01:02:28
Holy shit. So they're set for life. They did it. So when Helen and Frank first meet, Frank is still married to his second wife.
01:02:37
The marriage is on the rocks. It ends shortly after. And when his divorce is finalized, he proposes to Helen and they get married soon after that.
01:02:46
wrote do you think he shoved the ring inside five chewed up caramels it's like do you want to put it back into the wrapper do you want this oh my god it's like
01:02:59
when i told you you can't spit out the candy corn he's like will you never spit this out
01:03:05
never spit it out as a symbol of your love to me and just like it tastes like fucking stuffing
01:03:09
It actually tastes like stuffing. Oh, wait. What's this? It's a diamond ring. A diamond ring in my stuffing candy.
01:03:17
Thanks, Frank. Okay, so this marriage launches Helen from lower middle class life into the life of the extraordinarily wealthy.
01:03:26
Get it, girl. So they have their estate in Glenview, which is just north of Chicago.
01:03:31
Then they rent a home in Palm Beach so they can get out of those Midwestern winters and out of the hamster tubes.
01:03:37
um of course Helen indulges in the finer things she wears gorgeous outfits tons of jewelry she
01:03:45
loves a fur even though she's all about donating to animal causes like that's her big philanthropy
01:03:50
thing but she also absolutely loves a fur coat I don't think the two made were intertwined back
01:03:57
then back then not at all I was like not but not for foxes only for like cats and dogs yes it wasn't
01:04:03
the concept of animals it was right these dogs here in front of me totally and other than that
01:04:08
you need to watch me flex and see how truly rich i am because not only am i wearing a fox fur i'm
01:04:14
wearing a dead fox around my neck with its face intact with with little weird eyes yeah oh yeah
01:04:22
okay chinchilla go for it helen so helen's also very generous with her family so she shares money
01:04:30
you know, pays for stuff, buys both her parents and her brother houses in back in Ohio where they
01:04:36
still live. Nice. So in 1970, at the age of 79, Frank Brock passes away. Helen Frank never had
01:04:44
kids in their 20 years of marriage. So now Helen finds herself with a lot of money and a lot of
01:04:48
time on her hands. She's a lifelong lover of animals. So she gets really involved in animal
01:04:54
welfare charities. And she establishes the Helen Brock Foundation, which gives out grant money to
01:05:00
animal rights case organization thank you to animal rights organizations um to welfare causes
01:05:07
at one point she even charters a plane flies to the bahamas and returns with a sick animal
01:05:12
so that it can be treated by in chicago by her favorite vet okay she also donates a significant
01:05:18
amount of money to the chicago zoo they actually end up naming the primate house after helen brock I don know if it still like that to this day Let us know Chicago murdering us
01:05:32
So Helen is what some might call quirky. Others might call newly rich and stoked.
01:05:38
Sure. So she loves to give money for animal rights and fight for animal rights. Even though she wears furs, she has two dogs that she loves, candy and sugar.
01:05:49
Oh, my God, because it's a candy company. When they die, they're buried in a pink marble mausoleum that Frank is then also later buried in that cost half a million dollars.
01:06:05
Money, man. Money. Helen keeps detailed journals. She's also into automatic writing, which you may have heard of it.
01:06:13
It's the spiritual writing practice where the writer enters a trance-like state and lets the spiritual world guide their writing.
01:06:21
So she's, you know, she's into just interesting, kooky shit like that. Yeah. But she's very well liked.
01:06:26
She's very popular, very social. She has lots of friends who she talks to on the phone all the time and that come over all the time.
01:06:33
So she's living her life to the fullest. Yeah. Automatic writing, partying, caring about animals.
01:06:40
Hobbies of the rich and famous. Right. And now suddenly she's just disappeared. No one's heard from her.
01:06:46
Okay. No one knows where she is. She hasn't talked to anybody. So. When Jack Matlick goes to the Glenview Police Department to report Helen missing, they turn away saying that he's not a family member. So he has to call up Helen's brother, Charles Voorhees, who's down in Ohio, to come up to Glenview and help him out.
01:07:06
So Charles immediately does. But before they go to the police, they meet at Helen's estate to reportedly look for any clues as to where she might be. And then they don't find anything, but they do decide to burn all of Helen's journals, claiming later that she left behind instructions telling them to do that, quote, if anything ever happened.
01:07:29
I'm sorry. A little suspicious. Sketch. So investigators start looking into Houseman Jack Matlick's story.
01:07:37
Sure. They ask airline workers who are on the February 17th flight from Rochester to Chicago.
01:07:44
They recall seeing Helen on board, but nobody does. But it had been more than two weeks, so they weren't really reliable accounts.
01:07:53
The police try to figure if Helen could have seen or spoken to anyone over the weekend when she was at home in Glenview.
01:07:59
But the phone records show she took no calls during that time between Thursday, February 17th and Monday, the 21st.
01:08:08
Jack Matlick claims that Helen did go out to dinner one night with friends of hers, but he doesn't know who they are.
01:08:14
And no one ever comes forward corroborating his story. Some unnamed friends mentioned to authorities that they had dropped by the estate to visit Helen during that time.
01:08:23
But when they got there, Jack told them that Helen was too busy getting ready for her upcoming trip to Florida and she wasn't available.
01:08:30
Dude. But this is where things get fishy because the one thing Helen's friends know about her is that she is like a hyper prepared traveler.
01:08:40
The idea that, first of all, she hadn't booked a ticket to Florida for February 21st, nor had she packed any of her bags for the trip.
01:08:48
Right. The idea that she would just go to the airport and show up and take it all, take care of it all when she got there makes no sense for her.
01:08:56
And on top of that, she wasn't known to be a morning person at all. So it's very out of character for her to want to be at the airport around six or seven in the morning.
01:09:06
Amen. Right. Especially when the first flight out of Chicago to Florida that day didn't leave until 10 a.m.
01:09:14
No, no, no. And when you're rich as fuck, you don't have to be at the airport four hours early or whatever the fuck.
01:09:20
No, you're first class or she had so much money she could be chartering a private jet.
01:09:26
Yeah, I would think. Sure. Get a big pink and lavender jet. Brock's Candy Company.
01:09:32
What are you doing? OK. When police contact Helen's friend in Florida, Richard Bailey, he tells the police that he was at the Colony Hotel in Palm Beach that weekend with a young woman.
01:09:40
He said he knew Helen was coming into town because Jack Matlick called him and told him that she would be arriving on Monday the 21st.
01:09:48
But when she didn't arrive in Fort Lauderdale that Monday, Richard Bailey called the estate.
01:09:55
But he claims that Jack Matlick answered and told him that Helen wasn't in. Bailey told police that he tried to contact Helen a few more times, but she was never available to talk.
01:10:05
So he gave up because he figured she dropped him for another bow. So then Jack Matlick informs the police officers that before her departure, Helen had written him a couple checks totaling more than $15,000.
01:10:19
So then they bring in handwriting experts for these checks and they compare them to Helen Brock's handwriting and it does not match.
01:10:28
And then so this makes Jack look insanely suspicious. Although why would he bring it up?
01:10:34
Right. Like it does. It's crazy. But yeah, I feel like when you're guilty that you sometimes just you over talk, right?
01:10:40
Like over explain possibly. Or if you're innocent, you go, why wouldn't I tell you this?
01:10:46
You should know everything. And then it's like, why would you be saying that? So then when they say this writing isn't Helen Brock's, Jack Matlick says she had injured her right hand and had to write the checks with her left.
01:10:57
He's got an answer for everything. I mean, he does. Either that or it's what happened.
01:11:02
It's it's both. It's either. What's going on? So the police have no way of proving or disproving his story about Helen's hand injury because they don't know where Helen Helen is when they test Jack's handwriting against the handwriting that's on the checks.
01:11:17
It appears to not be a match, but they never test any other handwriting samples.
01:11:24
During the weekend of February 17th through the 21st, Jack Matlick had one of the rooms in Helen's estate recarpeted and repainted.
01:11:32
Okay. On top of that, receipts show that he'd purchased a small meat grinder attachment for a blender that same weekend.
01:11:40
Oh, no. Okay, so these facts lead police to develop this theory that Jack Matlick killed Helen at the estate and then disposed of her body using that meat grinder.
01:11:53
No, because that would take forever. Yes, for real. When investigators examine the meat grinder, it's completely clean.
01:12:00
There's no trace of any human, anything on it. It's also way too small to grind human remains.
01:12:07
It just doesn't make sense. When they question the contractors who redid the room in the house, they all say that there was nothing out of the ordinary in the room.
01:12:15
There was no blood and there were no signs of foul play. So then Helen's gardener tells detectives that he had seen Matlick inside Helen's house with two strangers that weekend and that one of the strangers was a young woman who was wearing a baggy dress and a wig similar to Helen's.
01:12:34
Oh, no. Then police find in Matlick's possession a receipt dated February 21st, which was the Monday that he'd taken her to the airport, for a toll exit near a farm owned by Helen in distant Ohio.
01:12:48
So Jack Matlick becomes the primary suspect. They question him extensively and they make him recount his story over and over and over, but it never changes.
01:12:59
He swears up and down that he had nothing to do with Helen's disappearance. He had no apparent motive.
01:13:03
He and Helen always got along well, and he claims that he's not in her will, so he doesn't stand to gain any money from her death.
01:13:10
He says publicly that he showed the Glenview police a copy of Helen's will to prove that he's not in it, but the police claim that they have never seen Helen's will.
01:13:19
Why would he even have it? Like, that's something her brother or her parents would have, don't you think?
01:13:24
Yeah, or her lawyer or her entire business staff or something. Yeah, exactly. Is that the kind of thing that she would keep around the house?
01:13:33
Yeah. So Jack agrees to take a lie detector test. He actually agrees on multiple occasions. He takes multiple tests each time the results come back inconclusive. He's fired from his post at the estate and he and his wife are forced to move out of the Schaumburg residence. But without Helen's body or any hard evidence indicating foul play or any harm done on Jack's part, the police have to eventually drop Jack as a suspect and the case goes cold.
01:13:59
So with Helen still missing and not so unable to be legally declared dead, her trust, which is valued somewhere between 120 and 130 million dollars, is left in limbo.
01:14:13
So someone has to manage it in her absence and her longtime accountant Everett Moore claims that he should be that person.
01:14:20
But because the trust is set up with Helen and the Continental Illinois Bank being equal co-trustees, the bank wants to manage it.
01:14:28
Of course. So to settle this dispute, a judge rules that an independent third party has to investigate the matter to determine who should get to control Helen's estate until she's found either alive or dead.
01:14:39
So if she's still alive, of course, she'll resume control. And then if she is found dead, they'll have to refer to her will and distribute the funds accordingly.
01:14:49
So this third party investigator is a former Chicago Bar Association head named John Cadwallader Mank.
01:14:56
So to determine how Helen would want her money spent, Mank asks her lawyer if he can see her will, but the lawyer says, no, you can't.
01:15:05
It's attorney-client privilege. No one can see it until she's declared legally dead.
01:15:11
With that, Mank moves on to question Jack Matlick again. Jack's story remains the same.
01:15:16
He says that according to the will he once saw, the money in Helen's estate is supposed to go to various animal welfare charities and to her brother, Charles.
01:15:25
Charles' question next. He is cooperative. He has very little insight and he doesn't seem to be especially interested in Helen's money.
01:15:33
The third person Mank questions is the friend that Helen Brock was allegedly traveling to see on Monday, February 21st, Richard Bailey.
01:15:41
The beau. So Richard Bailey is a show horse dealer in Chicago. He's known to have business dealings with Chicago's organized crime families.
01:15:51
He shows up to Mank's office with his lawyer and refuses to answer any of Mank's questions, including confirming whether or not his name is Richard Bailey.
01:16:00
So later Mank meets with Everett Moore to find out how Helen had been spending her money before she vanished.
01:16:07
And that's when they find out that most of her spending was, you guessed it, in the horse trading business.
01:16:15
Oh, shit. So she had spent in only a couple years up to and maybe more than a quarter million dollars on horses and show on show horses.
01:16:26
Something of rich people do, though, right? But it's suspicious because. Well, because horses as a pet are so expensive, like you buy them, then you have to board them.
01:16:38
You have to train them. You have to do all this stuff. So it's like so much money is part of it.
01:16:42
So all of this, it all points back to Richard Bailey, which is the man who is he's all up in the middle of that horse business.
01:16:51
And why would she even be interested in it or spending money on this? So so, of course, they start wondering whether Richard Bailey could have been involved in Helen's disappearance.
01:17:00
But since it's Mank's job to figure out how Helen's money should be managed and not to criminally investigate her disappearance, there's nothing he can do with his findings.
01:17:09
So after a three investigation Menck goes to the judge in 1980 who presiding over the matter of Helen trust and says his investigation inconclusive The judge puts Helen accountant Everett Moore in charge of her trust and says if she doesn
01:17:26
turn up in the next four years, then they can return to the court and petition to have her
01:17:30
declared dead, which is what they end up having to do on May 24th, 1984, which allows for her will
01:17:37
to finally be executed and her brother to collect over $200,000 in interest from her trust. But much
01:17:45
of the remaining money in that trust goes to charities. So oddly enough, even though he claimed
01:17:52
not to be included in Helen Brock's will, Jack Matlick is also given $50,000, which later on
01:18:01
in 1993, he ends up having to give back because of all that stuff with the checks. And basically,
01:18:09
Charles Voorhees and Helen's estate is starting to bring a civil lawsuit against him. Okay. If
01:18:14
he doesn't give up that that claim because he's basically taken more than that. So that's what he
01:18:19
does. And the whole thing gets dropped. OK, so then in 1989, after several women report being
01:18:26
victims of an interstate wire fraud, U.S. attorneys start investigating and they are led
01:18:33
to the Chicago horse business and whose name comes up first and over and over again. But Richard
01:18:41
Bailey's. So on the surface, Richard Bailey looks like a successful, honest businessman who makes
01:18:46
his money buying and selling show horses. He owns Bailey's stables and country club stables,
01:18:52
and he's established himself as a well-known figure in the Chicago equestrian market.
01:18:57
But their investigation quickly reveals that a longtime criminal organization called the Jane
01:19:04
Gang, headed by a man named Silas Jane, is essentially running all horse business in Chicago.
01:19:11
And Richard Bailey is one of his closest business partners. So what it really turns out to be is that Richard Bailey is like a lonely hearts con man.
01:19:21
Yeah. Which is like the lowest of the low. Yeah. So and Helen Brock wasn't his first or last victim.
01:19:28
um so basically richard bailey would romance rich older widows introduce them to his horse
01:19:36
business bring him down to the stables you know yeah have him mix in with all of those people
01:19:42
um convince them they should also buy horses and be involved in that scene and then fleece them for
01:19:49
everything that he could take basically his normal con was that he would say i have these horses
01:19:55
I've located some horses that you should buy and basically selling these women grade F horses at a grade A price.
01:20:05
Right. But he also did a bunch of other stuff. This is actually a quote from the truetv.com article by Mark Gribben.
01:20:12
It says, quote, While executing his schemes, Bailey was not averse to taking advantage of his victims' weaknesses.
01:20:20
He plied an alcoholic with champagne and cocktails while she and her daughter visited the stables.
01:20:25
He schemed to defraud gravely ill women by obtaining their powers of attorney when he visited them in the hospital.
01:20:33
When Bailey had obtained as much money as he could from the woman, he ended the relationship.
01:20:38
Although occasionally he passed the woman on to his co-conspirators for them to further defraud the women.
01:20:46
His victims were often left brokenhearted and destitute. So these were rich widows when he met them.
01:20:53
Yeah. And he basically took them for all they're worth. So this scheme, this recurring scheme of his earned him the nickname the Galloping Gigolo.
01:21:01
So in 1973, Richard Bailey met Helen Brock in the Chicago suburb of Morton Grove while they were having lunch.
01:21:11
And they very soon after started dating. In 1975, Helen mentions to Richard that she'd like to buy some horses of her own.
01:21:19
And he casually mentions that his brother PJ Bailey is a jockey who could sell her a few of his horses.
01:21:25
She ends up buying three horses from PJ and spending $98,000. They were worth altogether less than $20,000.
01:21:35
Some rickety old horses. Aw, for babies. One tooth missing in the front. Their relationship continues through New Year's Eve of 1977.
01:21:46
So they actually went to New York City together and partied at the Waldorf Astoria on New Year's Eve, which is badass.
01:21:52
But soon after, Richard Bailey and another man set up a horse showing for Helen and try to convince her to buy, like to spend basically $150,000 on more horses.
01:22:04
And this horse showing, Helen just starts getting this weird feeling. She feels like something fishy is going on.
01:22:11
She ends up leaving this showing after like less than an hour. So now she's skeptical about Richard Bailey.
01:22:18
So she gets a third party appraiser to take a look at these horses. and so she had been told basically richard bailey put her in touch with an appraiser oh yeah and that
01:22:29
man told her buy these horses but you also need to train them and so she was like all signed up
01:22:35
to have these horses trained and all that her third party appraiser comes in and it's like
01:22:40
no don't train these horses it's like don't it's not worth it oh like the whole it's a complete scam
01:22:46
So, of course. So she's on to them. She's totally on to Richard. Yeah. She knows he's the one doing it.
01:22:53
She's hurt and she's angry. So she confides in her friend that she thinks that she's being conned by this man who she thought was her boyfriend.
01:23:01
Yeah. The friend is connected to the state prosecutors. So Helen agrees to set up a meeting with the state attorney office about this when she gets back from her appointment at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester Oh no But of course that meeting with the state attorney office never takes place because Helen is never seen again So now almost 20 years later Assistant U
01:23:25
Attorney Stephen Miller is working on the case, and he will continue to work on this case for the
01:23:30
next five years, doing everything he can to find out if Richard Bailey was involved in Helen's
01:23:36
disappearance. And it isn't easy because anyone who could expose Richard Bailey is too fearful of
01:23:42
the Jane gang to talk. They are known for their violent retribution. You don't mess.
01:23:49
By July of 1994, Miller finally has enough for a 29 count indictment against Richard Bailey,
01:23:56
including racketeering, fraud, conspiracy to murder, soliciting murder, and causing the murder
01:24:02
of Helen Brock. Richard Bailey decides to plead guilty to the fraud and racketeering charges,
01:24:08
but pleads not guilty to every charge associated with Helen Brock's murder and disappearance.
01:24:13
His trial for the conspiracy charges begins in 1995. It lasts two weeks. And at the trial, Miller reveals that Helen Brock told Richard Bailey that she would be going to the district attorney about him defrauding her.
01:24:27
So she did tell him. Yeah. And while his victims had threatened to sue him before, Bailey had only ever faced small-time civil suits,
01:24:36
Some going directly to the DA would bring a whole new level of difficulty and basically expose this con that involved lots of people and the mafia and all this shit.
01:24:49
So he'd be kind of like a snitch to the Jane gang, too, in a way. Right. Yeah. Then to everyone's surprise, another con man named Joe Plemons testifies that just two weeks before Helen went missing, Richard Bailey had offered him $5,000 to kill Helen Brock.
01:25:10
According to Plemons, there were a whole group of co-conspirators involved in Helen's murder.
01:25:15
Another unnamed witness who was granted immunity wrote a statement explaining that Helen was picked up by a car in Rochester, then brought back to Chicago where she was either beaten or strangled.
01:25:28
By Plemons' account, he was forced to shoot Helen. So he basically admits that they had beaten her and that they had kind of put her in like a bag.
01:25:39
They thought she was dead, but they weren't positive. So they made him go and shoot twice into the bag.
01:25:45
Oh, my God. So they knew for a fact that she was dead. Then they, according to witness testimony, transferred the body to Gary, Indiana, where it was destroyed in a steel furnace.
01:25:57
Oh, my God. That's so fucking tragic. Yeah. This, like, maybe, like, nice, normal woman who just wanted to fucking live her goddamn life.
01:26:08
Right. And they just kind of disappear her so they can continue to scam elderly, sad, lonely, rich women.
01:26:18
It's just monsters. Yeah. The case against Bailey becomes very convincing, but there's no hard conclusive evidence to tie him or any of the apparent co-conspirators to her death.
01:26:29
Even so, the judge tells the court, quote, it is more probable than not that Richard Bailey did commit the offenses of conspiring to murder and soliciting the murder of Helen Brock.
01:26:40
And with that, based on the preponderance of evidence, 66-year-old Richard Bailey is handed a life sentence that is then reduced to a 30-year sentence.
01:26:53
Additionally, the investigation into the fraudulent horse business dealings and the apparent murder of Helen Brock leads to the indictment of 19 other people for various crimes.
01:27:04
And of those 19, 16 enter guilty pleas. The others are found guilty on their respective crimes at their trials.
01:27:12
Basically, the work on Helen Brock's case leads authorities to solve several murder cases dating back to 1955.
01:27:20
Holy shit. Yeah. Okay. So the aftermath of all this is basically that Jack Matlick, after leaving the Brock's house in Schaumburg, him and his wife moved to Butler, Pennsylvania. And so when Richard Bailey went on trial, the media found Jack Matlick again and questioned him about Helen's death.
01:27:42
He angrily tells them, quote, I don't know who killed Helen Brock, and I have no idea what happened to her.
01:27:48
Jack Matlick dies from natural causes in 2011. In 2005, new information comes to light revealing the possibility that it was not Richard Bailey who ordered the hit against Helen Brock, but another member of the criminal cohort.
01:28:03
Bailey's defense team files an appeal for a sentence reduction. But on March 21st, 2005, the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals adamantly rejects it, saying that, quote, new evidence does not establish by clear and convincing evidence that the defendant is actually innocent of conspiring to murder Helen Brock.
01:28:23
Wait, so do we know and maybe you're getting to this already. So tell me. But so the houseboy have nothing to do with it.
01:28:30
But there's no evidence that he had anything to do with it. But why did he lie about taking her to the airport?
01:28:37
I don't know. We don't know if he did. We don't know where she disappeared. But the theory has become that when she was at the Mayo Clinic, that they went to Minnesota, Rochester, Minnesota, and picked her up there.
01:28:54
Okay. That doesn't explain why he would be telling people she's going to Florida.
01:29:00
She's packing. You can't see her right now. Like it's it feels like he might have gotten caught up in it as well.
01:29:07
Yes. But there's no evidence to link him. That is just me saying what I said after reading other people research on it So it fishy but it doesn There no conclusive Yeah they just couldn link him
01:29:20
And there is that thing of like his story never changes. Right. Which so it's like some, yeah, somewhere in there.
01:29:27
There's just so much suspicious. Right. Like behavior and facts and things that just kind of don't add up.
01:29:35
Yeah. Or it'd be great to getting answers on that we are not going to. So Richard Bailey, he spends basically he gets out of prison when he's 90 years old.
01:29:45
So he serves almost all of his 30 year sentence. What ends up to be a 30 year sentence.
01:29:52
And when he gets out, he claims that he and Helen were, quote, madly in love with each other and they were, quote, going to get married.
01:29:59
He maintains that he had no involvement whatsoever with the disappearance and or the murder of Helen Brock.
01:30:06
So my only question about that is that when the police first talked to him, why did he say I'm at a hotel with a young lady?
01:30:16
Yeah. If he's in love with Pellin. Yeah, of course. Yeah. It's like he has to tell the boys, look, here's my alibi.
01:30:23
I was sleeping with the woman that I love, the widow that I love. That's 65, basically.
01:30:32
Yeah. so as frustrating as the mystery of her death is the memory of helen brock lives on through her
01:30:40
philanthropic organization the helen brock foundation so she's she's since it started
01:30:46
basically since she was declared dead that foundation has been giving money to fund chicago
01:30:53
area causes like as we said the animal rights causes or animal wellness causes but also it's
01:30:59
given grants for schools. It's lots of funding to help the homeless and tons of funding for the arts.
01:31:07
Wow. But to this day, the case of Helen Brock's disappearance remains unsolved. And that is the
01:31:15
story of the mysterious disappearance of the candy lady, Helen Brock. Wow. Great job. Thank you.
01:31:23
Oh, that's so sad and tragic and mysterious, but clearly. So weird. Yeah. This is one of those ones that's been done on so many true crime shows.
01:31:36
Yeah. That I feel like it's similar to the Golden State Killer where there was when it got reopened in the 90s, there were update shows about this case.
01:31:47
Yeah. Because the first version of it, if I remember this correctly, the first version was basically it's the houseman, her houseman.
01:31:57
Right. That's what everyone thought. And then, oh, here's some nefarious shit actually going on with everyone else.
01:32:02
Yes. Ah, that's tragic. But that idea, it also reminds me of that Showtime show about those lonely hearts con men.
01:32:12
I just don't understand. I mean, they don't have souls and they don't have consciences.
01:32:18
But it's so gross. So devious. Like a sad, old, lonely lady. Yeah. Let me fleece her by tricking her into thinking that she has love again.
01:32:29
Yeah. And this guy goes in. I mean, he sleeps with them. He dates them. He spends time with them.
01:32:40
Like he really does it and then is completely lying and and leaves them with nothing.
01:32:48
So then they're old, rich ladies. Like, what are they going to work at Starbucks?
01:32:52
Like, how are they going to come back from that? Fuckhead. Oh, great job. Great telling.
01:33:00
Fitting story. Perfect timing. Thank you. Look at us go. I had to ask Jay if he would please slide some things around and do some weekend homework.
01:33:14
Because I was like, ooh, Georgia's got, she already ordered the candy. I have to do this story now.
01:33:19
Yeah, that was like, this is timely. Yes. Well, I don't think any of us are ever going to look at a bag of fucking candy corn the same way again.
01:33:27
I know. Respect to Brooks. Okay, you want to do some fucking arrays? Let's wrap it down with some positivity.
01:33:35
Love it. Okay, I'll go first. Do it. This one's called A Long-Awaited Fucking Hooray.
01:33:41
Hi, ladies, they-dies, and gents. I've had a hell of a year, not that everyone hasn't, but after finally coming out as non-binary
01:33:49
last June, I'm living my truth. I have, for the first time in my life, a boyfriend who truly knows and sees my heart.
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through my father's death earlier this year he was my rock and i have never had someone love me
01:34:02
the way he has if only tiny me could see me soaring now fucking hooray uh kale that's beautiful
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yay yay and i love ladies i'd never heard that before what is it like ladies and gents ladies
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they dees and jones they dees nice one yes that's really good yeah well this one's very simple but i
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really like the name it's from practical scott practical scott says so i got into my dream art
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school to get my bfa in game art and was awarded an annual scholarship it's fucking hooray and then
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the emoji with the one tear on the cheek congratulations that's humongous also art school
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It's expensive. Oh, yeah. And it's fucking elitist and it's fancy pantsy. And you fucking practical scotted your ass right into that school.
01:34:56
That's right. Congratulations. That's awesome. Okay. This one says, my fucking array is that this year after endearing years of infertility,
01:35:06
my husband and I welcomed our gorgeous, joyful, miraculous twin girls. Oh, yeah.
01:35:12
Of course, we had to name them Karen and Georgia. Just kidding. I was going to say.
01:35:17
No. And that's from Emily. Good one, Emily. Truly, I was like, wait, what? Oh, dear God.
01:35:26
It's fine if it's cats, but come on. Or plants. Plants and cats. Yeah. Okay. This one is from Kaman.
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K-A-H-M-A-N-N. Murderino. Come on. I don't know. It says the subject line is I drove to Minneapolis and back.
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Oh, and it says this may not seem like a big deal, but about five years ago, I was diagnosed with narcolepsy.
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I couldn't drive in the evening and I couldn't handle more than about 45 minutes driving without being too sleepy to be safe.
01:36:00
I finally got on meds that along with losing about 130 pounds over quarantine, which is like, I'm sorry, what or why are you putting that in parentheses?
01:36:10
Yeah, that's amazing. I finally got on meds that completely changed my life. Last week, I drove my teens on an Ohio to Minneapolis road trip, something I never would have been able to do before.
01:36:23
My son found this podcast before we left and we binge listened the whole way there and back.
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We are hooked. Stay sexy and don't fall asleep while driving. Kara. Holy shit. What a rad story.
01:36:36
I mean, it really had everything. It had everything. Okay wait And I have one more This is not a typical fucking hooray but sometimes we get mail and it very random Sometimes it books people want us to read Sometimes it just random letters and stuff Sometimes it lovely gifts We get a lot of bath bombs in the mail Okay so this letter I just enjoyed and wanted to read it to you
01:37:04
Ladies, I don't have a hometown murder, although I have to think that some strange shit has happened
01:37:10
in my rural town of Chester, Massachusetts. Being one of the few towns in liberal Massachusetts that
01:37:16
actually voted for Trump in 2016, I try not to ask too many questions. In addition, there have
01:37:21
been times that I've considered murdering my own two grown children who are living with me during
01:37:26
the pandemic. I found myself wondering things like if I murder them the same way on different days,
01:37:31
does that make me a serial killer? Or grown children? That said, both of my kids and I bond
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over MFM. And for that, I am grateful. To say thank you for helping me have some pleasurable
01:37:44
hang time with my kids. They actually are both great, although COVID is trying. I am mostly happy
01:37:49
to have this time with them. I'm sending you gals these little pouches, which I've become obsessed with making.
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Use them for your lipstick or change or pepper spray. Maybe daily meds. The choices are endless.
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In addition, I've gone on MFM website and made a donation to the National Bailout
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in honor of you gals. My daughter would be mortified if she knew I was doing this,
01:38:12
but what the hell? She was a biter as a child and talk about embarrassing. man this is some child talking shit right in this letter moms don't be afraid to write us letters
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and and just go ahead and unload about your children yeah many many thanks for keeping us
01:38:28
laughing and horrified stay sexy and remember if you have to carry shit around always do it in a
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cute little pouch this is adorable and that from allison miller allison thank you so much did you get one of these i did it a different totally different And I love mine I love this design It also does look like little pills
01:38:48
It's also the perfect size makeup bag. It is. She's really, she's making something great.
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So Allison, thank you. Thank you for sharing all your secrets and all your, your worst, darkest thoughts with us.
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They're safe here with us. Good luck to your kids surviving the rest of quarantine.
01:39:05
You know that we're going to have to go to court if something happens to those kids to testify.
01:39:11
No, nothing will happen to the kids as long as she keeps making these bad. That's right. Hobbies. Hobbies are key.
01:39:16
Just channel it through crafts. All right. That's it. We did our job. We absolutely did. And you guys did yours.
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Thank you so much for listening. We appreciate all of you. Send us your fucking hoorays. Send us your hometowns.
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