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My favorite murder Hello! And welcome to My Favorite Murder. That's Georgia Hardstark.
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Thank you. That's Karen Calgariff. You're welcome. This is a podcast, true crime comedy.
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Are you ready for it? Your dad is mad about it. Your mom is making that face again.
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Well, this is your life, friend. Your life. That's right. You live it the best you can.
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You listen to whatever you want. Your little earbuds. Everybody else is talking.
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Their mouths are just moving. You're listening to us. Yeah. Be like my puppy and have selective listening.
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That's right. That's the way to be in this world. You know, I'm training my kitten, the cat, the kitten, Moses.
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Training, like sit, stay, paw. How's that working out? It seems to be working, but I could be making that up.
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That could be a creation. It could just be me. What's your approach to kitten training?
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Treats. Yeah. Lots and lots of treats. I honestly think it's working. I think all animals are food motivated.
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Yes. I am. Myself included. You and I are an example. If someone was like, Karen, go for a walk.
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And then they just held out like those mac and cheese balls that we had at that restaurant.
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Yes. Right. You'd follow somebody anywhere. Well, that's kind of what I do when I'm working out is
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you because you're doing this. I think to myself, you get to eat whatever you want tonight.
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Perfect. I honestly do. Or when I was smoking, it would be like, get through this and you can
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have a cigarette, which is not. That's the inverse of the first plan. That's right. So I quit smoking,
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but now I get to eat whatever I fucking want. Hey, congratulations. What are you doing to
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exercise. I did Pilates the other day. How was it? I hate it. I love it. It was great. My body
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felt great. But the machines, you know, those Pilates, I like floor Pilates or bar or whatever,
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but the machines scare the shit out of me. The reformer. I have no balance. So I would just get
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scared. Everyone moves so fast. I could tell I was being judged. Always. Well, it's Los Angeles.
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Yeah. So don't show up to a Pilates class if you don't want to get judged. that's what you're supposed to that's what i used to love about like when um went to golden
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bridge a couple times with my friends and there were people that would get there like 20 minutes
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early and line up and sit in the front row oh yeah so that the teacher would look right at them
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and stuff where i was just like this is i just have never been in this type of community before
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Yeah. The comedy. The yoga community? Well, or just any kind of like get there 20 minutes early to try to make eye contact with the leader.
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But it's not only that, the people who sit in the front want to show everyone behind them how to like they want to be like, well, I know what I'm doing.
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It's like this whole thing, whole headspace thing. Or it could be people who are like, I don't want to watch the back of other people when I'm doing yoga.
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I want them to watch me. Yeah, I don't sit in there. I do like a medium back to the side with a wall next to me because I have no balance. So I need to fall against something. And that's it.
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I mean, it just I feel like of all the things to classes to take and the things to be doing with yourself, being super competitive in yoga is a little bit against the point of what the great most of the great gurus want you to really be thinking about.
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So fucking lootly. Leave it to Los Angeles to just take a really beautiful spiritual practice and then pervert it to the degree where you might as well be at Warner Brothers auditioning for Arrow or some shit like that.
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That reminds me when I did a hot yoga class recently, brag. The dude next to me.
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And, you know, people wear like not a lot of clothes because it's really fucking hot.
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Whatever. But the guy next to me had on like boxer briefs. Like he had his underwear on.
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Yeah. No. No, he was like, I saw his butt crack. It was like, yeah, that's what he was there for.
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It was like, why do I have to be next to this? That's the agreement. Also, why can't he just, yeah, why can't he just take shorts?
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Any other piece of clothing. Shorts. Other than underwear. Although, you know, I'm sure that he would, if he could argue it in a court of law.
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Yeah. He just be like well isn that your bra No Isn that your I mean if I had like a fucking triangle like lacy bra on fair I had a sports bra which everyone knows is the least sexy bra in the world
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Yeah, sport. You're not trying to attract anybody when you're flattening the gals down to try to get some exercise out and not get hit in the chin.
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Oh, I wish I could get hit in the chin with these things. So that's Fitness Corner.
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Great job. Well, speaking of which, Frank and I took a walk the other morning. This is I was laughing so hard at surprise at myself because I came around a corner and there was a guy walking out of the driveway.
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And of course, I had my earbuds in listening to another podcast. And so this guy kind of walked out into the street and was looking at Frank and smiling.
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So I take my earbuds out and he's like, who's this little guy? And I'm like, that's Frank.
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And we start to kind of chit chat. He said, do you live? Do you live in this neighborhood?
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And I said, yeah, up the hill. And then I proceeded to describe the front of my house.
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I don't because and then were you trying to convince him that you weren't so interloper?
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Probably deep down, probably. Yeah. But then I was like, I and then I kind of went, oh, do you live here?
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And then he goes, I do some work for like he he did two names, Janet and Marty, basically.
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And I was just like, but he just kind of gestured. And I was just like, I just told you where I fucking live.
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I just walked up to a dude that was walking on my street randomly and was like, oh, look for me.
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I'm up at that house up the street. And then I just couldn't stop thinking about it where I'm like, I get on this fucking podcast on my high horse with the waving my finger about.
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Lock your door. Don't do that. Yeah. And the second I'm out of my own house, I'm just like, what's up, stranger?
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Now listen to me describe my home. Here's my address. And here's the keypad number to get into my house.
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But the thing is, you have an enormous dog with you. He's not enormous. He looks intimidating.
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He's like the sweetest baby. But he's muscly. Frank looks intimidating. He'll fuck with you for sure.
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I think he would attack someone who tried to break in here for sure. I think he would too.
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But he wasn't attacking this guy. who walked straight up to him went, who's this little guy and began to caress him. And Frank
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immediately flipped on his back. Because this stranger puts treats, dog treats in his pocket
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to disarm strangers, females, strangers to tell them where they live. I just think we might need
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a pandemic reset. Oh, yeah. Of just our, just the kind of the rules, regulations. Also,
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not just with that of kind of just the general safety of, oh, that's right. Don't just do
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whatever in a panic, Karen, Nikhil Gareth. But also just socializing wise, just interacting with
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people and then being like, oh, I don't actually know you that well. Yeah. Day to day interactions
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need to be relearned. It's like physical therapy, like after a break in a leg or whatever. It's like
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you're not just going to get up running again. No, we've broken. We've broken ourselves. We broke
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every bone in our body. We were in traction for a year and a half. Now go easy, easy down the
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Go slow. You don't have to tell your whole story. That's right. Except like a walker or a cane.
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Like it's not, you know, it's not shameful to need some help reentering society.
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Or just like for me personally and the people like me, just be quiet sometimes. Just be the one at the table that isn't telling a story and see what that feels like for the first time in 45 years.
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Just don't lead. Yes, it burns. Yes, it hurts. Am I disappearing off the planet? Maybe. Yeah. Try it out. If there's a moment of silence,
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it's okay. You don't have to. I'm talking. I'm not pointing at you, but I'm talking at me.
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Always. Turning this finger around. Three back at you. It's not your fault. If there's a silence
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that then you need to fill it. No, you're not some weird 50s housewife that is in charge of
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all of the way everything goes. This isn't a boardroom and you're not the fucking CEO.
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of your life. No. You know, I met Bridger Weineger. You may have heard of him. He has the
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podcast, I Said No Gifts, and world renowned. I met Bridger for dinner at Swingers. And as I
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walked up, because I was walking up and I'm like, I'm wearing the same, you know, I have four pairs
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of black sweats that I love, and that's all I wear. And then I have about eight black t-shirts,
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and that's all I wear. And I've been comfortable and happy for two and a half years.
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but so i was like that's what i'm wearing to meet bridger for dinner because that that's that and
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it's a casual setting bridger's a casual guy yeah it's a diet it's a true diner yeah as i walked up
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there was a couple fighting in front of me oh i'm excited for this now this doesn't count as me
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reporting overheard which i really hate when people like take to the internet they're like
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overheard in Los Angeles. Just asshole conversations, which is like, okay, you're nosy.
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That's what this is about. But I had no choice because I was going in. I was like, I'm in my sweats under the radar, trying to be low key, no eye contact.
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And this girl and guy were fighting in the, in front of the doors. So I would have had to walk between them to get into the restaurant.
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And it was so hilarious and loud. And it filled me with joy. What were they yelling about?
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She wanted him to get back in the car and she wanted him to act like a human being.
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Well, that's not that's not too much to ask. You know, we'd like to think that, although I'd love to hear his side.
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Sure. Because he wasn't saying much. And she was saying what she was saying incredibly loud Oh no And there was like you know tables outside It wasn just like yeah me and them there was lots of people public places they were having it out where i was like did you guys
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just sit and stew inside swingers and walk outside and just burst into this fight you had your two
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and them out and now you're ready to fucking fight i sat down at the booth with berger and jimmy
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filled with glee and i was like i just witnessed a true and straight up loud fight and i got so
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excited when I heard that. My favorite thing to say when someone, my friend Micah Calabrese,
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this one time we were... I know Micah Calabrese. Yeah, he's a wonderful guy. We were at
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a restaurant or somewhere and this couple was fighting and he under his breath goes
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to us, I want you to want to do the dishes. Wait, Micah said that to you? Yeah, he like
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jokingly said that that's what they were. I want you to want to do the dishes, which is like
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such the fight that couples have. And so whenever I see a couple fighting, I fucking, I want you to want
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to do the dishes. Oh, it's my favorite. It's so good. Hey, Frank, get out of there.
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He literally is just digging into your purse. I have treats. I do have treats. Can I give him?
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You can, but he doesn't deserve it after sticking his whole nose in your purse. It might smell like, oh, look at his fucking face.
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Oh, my God. Frank, did you say thank you? Uh-oh, uh-oh, uh-oh. He's trying to back out and get away.
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Because Frank is now convinced. So Georgia just gave Frank a really nice look like almost like a human piece of beef jerky.
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No. Yeah. It's like a choo choo toy. He backed out of here like we were all grabbing it with both hands.
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No one wants your shitty piece of like horse meat, Frank. God. Enjoy, Frank. No, I just I that's the part of being in public that I miss.
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I feel like that. Writing? Yes. In any normal setting, say, four years ago, I wouldn't have been like, oh, my God, get it together.
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But now I'm just like, look at this. They're really living. Because you get to see emotions for the first time in so long.
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Other people's emotions, fucking getting them all over the place. Yes. Please give it up.
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I would love to be in that position. Here's my favorite thing is in a situation like that, you go to say, if you would just act like a human or whatever the thing is that she was saying.
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But instead you go and then you just turn around. Yeah, she does. Or he does. No, me.
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That's my ultimate. That's the ultimate move. You're going to fight. Seems like you're going to fight.
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No, you don't never say a thing like that. That's insane. Listen, think it through what you're about to yell at this dude.
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Every like if eight people can hear you, you like run it through your head a couple of times.
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That's a pretty awful thing to say to someone. It's horrible. Yeah. Now, could he be the biggest douchebag of all time?
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Yes. perhaps probably but then get away from the douchebag don't beg the douchebag to not be one
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if if someone drives you to the brink of yelling at them in public the relationship's not good i
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used to have i had one relationship with a dude that we would just fucking fight all the time
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yeah which is not my style and any relationship i've ever been in and this hit me that i was like
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what are we doing like clearly we're not yeah this isn't working yeah yeah yes so like you
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shouldn't be fighting in public that's a bad sign maybe once in a blue moon it's fine
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Yeah. Like, I think the goal is I'm enjoying it because it's like, I feel like I might be at the goal point now. But this also could be quarantine induced psychosis that I'm even saying this. Yeah. I like to think that I'm at the point now where just be like, oh, and then, you know, hold on, I'm yelling on Beverly. Yeah. I need to zip it. Yeah. Nothing I'm about to say is going to make me look like the winner. Yeah. Yeah. Because I'm yelling. Yeah. Public. Even if you're fucking right. And he's a narcissist who doesn't act like a human.
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Maybe he's even an alien. And you're like, pretend you're not an alien. So what you do then is you go, oh, Uber, doot, doot, doot, doot, doot, jump in a car and drive away.
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That's right. That's all. That's all. That's fine. Emotional relationship tolls are on the front of my mind right now because the thing I can't stop watching right now is Taylor Swift's new fucking 10-minute music video.
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How that, would you explain it to me more for a word and beat by beat? Did you not listen to it?
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No. You know how she re-released this out? Oh, I don't want to get too into it. No, I know.
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she had to re-release because Scooter Braun wouldn't give her any of her rights.
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That's fucking right. So she re-releases this song and this album that's clearly
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a fucking indictment against Jake Gyllenhaal even though she doesn't fucking say it.
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It is so juicy and good. The video that she made and she made it longer is clearly about him.
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It's just like and she's such a good songwriter and it's just like ugh, that happened to me too.
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You know, like Yes, I was 19 and a 29-year-old fucked me over. And I just had to write about it in the memoir.
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But she gets to fucking sing about it. And it's so cathartic. Oh, because she was a little baby and he was a grown man that should have known better.
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Yeah, there are these lines where she's just in it that she's just like, you told me that if I was a little older, maybe it would have worked out.
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But now your girlfriend's at the same age I was. Then I swear to God. Oh, shit. She calls him the fuck out.
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And it's so satisfying. And it's a great song. You have to listen. Damn. Even Vince is like into it. I think he's like secretly a Swifty.
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How could you not be? That's it's just good songwriting. It's just good, solid songwriting and has been since she was 14 years old.
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Like you don't build that. You don't build that and get worse and worse songwriters to help your talent as you go.
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Then only the best come out and they're like, guess what we're going to do now. So all I've been doing is singing it out loud terribly. It's so good.
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I am. I feel sad because Nora texted me and goes, are you going to watch Adele's special at the Griffith Observatory?
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Adele did a concert and it was on one of the it was on regular TV. Wow. And all her friends were in the audience It was like on the steps of the observatory my god it was really beautifully lit it was that and she sang her basically the new album but i haven listened
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to any of it because i have been so stressed out lately i'm like i i don't have time to cry
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about shit that happened 15 years ago i just don't someone else or do you at all privately
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publicly whatever so when norah texted me that i got that like lump in my throat like i was about
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it was going to start. I was just like, I can't do it. I can't do it right now. She's like, I'm 13. I don't know what you're talking about because I've never had my heart
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broken yet. She's just like, it's actually not that big of a deal. You can watch a concert,
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but not with Adele because Adele's whole journey. I've been there since Adele was,
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her videos were being posted on Perez Hilton in like, yeah, when she had won a contest and she,
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her video for, I won't be able to remember the name of the song, but it was my fave. Oh,
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It's the hometown hometown heroes or whatever. And she's just this little baby and turn the piano player.
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And you're like, who the fuck is this? And now she's at the Griffith Observatory and she's killing it.
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And why don't you get invited? I'm not friends with her. It was literally like her friends, friends, I think.
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Did I ever tell you I went to this like it was like 30 people to see Florence and the Machine on the rooftop.
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across in the Cafe 101, that old Hollywood hotel. She just did this like quiet secret concert for like KROQ or whatever.
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Yes. That's the whole thing. And I sat in the front row and just fucking watched Florence kill it.
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Jesus Christ. It was magical. How many people were there? There was like 30 people there.
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It was like a small thing that they wanted an audience for that I just happened to get
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invited to. And then? Yeah. In 2018, she came to your concert. She came to our show.
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She came to our concert. You guys, Florence is a fucking murderer now. Florence came to our London show.
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Well, we don't. Do we know that? Well, she came to our show. She came to our show.
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I've been to plenty of shows where I'm like checking my watch. I know. What is this shit?
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But why would she? She's fucking Florence. She's not going to waste her time with like her.
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She's a drag along. True. Right? Florence fucking is not a drag along person. You're right.
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You're right. I needed to hear it. I just needed someone else to tell me. Can I do a brag like that?
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Yeah. In the early 2000s. It may have been late. Early 2000s. Uh-huh. because Manor Keenan is a friend of everybody in my comedy circle and he's the lead singer of Tool.
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So we got to go. I'm not going to be able to remember the name of the album. I don't even
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think they had it assembled as an album. We just got to list to go into the tiniest studio.
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And there was like 12 of us. Oh my God. And just listen to the songs they had ready right then.
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For Tool, like one of the biggest fucking bands. It was crazy. It was the loudest. It gave me brain
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damage. I think it was so loud. And we you couldn't not be near a gigantic speaker. And you just it was
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like in your inside your body where I'm like, I have to be a fan of them for the rest of my life
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now just because that was like a transitory experience. And they gave you tinnitus. So you
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have to be friends with them. They owe me. I'm owed. That's the cool thing about I have to say
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living in Los Angeles. The parking sucks. The people are the worst. But every once in a while,
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You get like people are just like, oh, come to this thing with me. And suddenly you're like, holy shit, it's everything I've ever dreamed of.
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It's these like experiences where you go, oh, this is what people move to L.A. for.
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Like, this is what they think L.A. is like. And I'm having an experience of that.
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It just happens once every eight years, though. So you really don't hold your breath.
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But it's going to keep you for another eight years in L.A. So suddenly you've been here for fucking 25 years.
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For real. For real. Yeah. Which I would never want to live anywhere else. So I don't care.
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No, I've tried to live other places, but it is. I tried once. This is the spot. Yeah.
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It's just where it's happening. Now Frank won't leave us alone because he's like, oh, yeah.
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That took cookie like three days to finish. Oh, please. This guy's like, do you have any pencils?
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I can't keep pencils out of Frank's mouth. Shut up. I swear to God. It's like he's like, here's my impression of a beaver.
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And then he eats a fucking really nice pencil. A goat. That's what I was trying to think of earlier.
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He's like a goat. He's just like a goat. Tim Cans? Great. He's just too long on the street where he's like, look, there's protein inside that pencil.
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It's this or nothing. I'll never eat again. Hey, should we? Georgia brought me. Hey, guys.
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Now we're talking to you. Hey, guys. Hey. Georgia brought me a treat. It's not for you, Frank.
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Get up here. He sounded like a horse. I know. Get up here. Sometimes he sounds like a horse and sometimes he sounds like Chewbacca when he yawns.
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It's the funniest thing. So Georgia came bearing Kit Kats tonight. Hell yeah, I did.
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And this one is a hazelnut spread Kit Kats. I've never had that. It's unofficial Nutella.
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Yeah, totally. They can't call it that. I went to the best place in the world, Cost Plus World Market.
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And I saw these Kit Kats from, I think these are like probably from Canada or the UK or
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something, but they're not from the US, meaning they're good. Yes. And it made me so sad for our office.
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Oh, I know. It made me be like, oh, my God, we used to have drawers full of fucking Kit Kats at the office because people just sent them to us from not the United States.
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I swear to God, I think these are from Ireland. How come? Because that's what it says under this.
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It's Nestle product of the UK. Yeah. Oh, it says Nestle UK. It's made in over on 3030 Lake Drive City West Business Campus in Dublin.
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Oh, my God. We have Dublin Kit Kat. Dublin Kit Kats, get ready. I feel like we're in Willy Wonka.
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Should we try them? Yeah, hold on. Should we open mine up? In a podcast like everyone likes?
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Should we chew straight into the mic? Steven, edit the sound out. Steven, bleep this.
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If you like hazelnut spread, let's call it. it that okay it's like calling it a tissue instead of a kleenex if you like that right as i went to
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put it in my mouth i could taste yeah that nutella taste and that's a great experience what's kit cat
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doing they're like oreos where they're just going yeah last week i did the i covered the chippendales
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murder as we were talking about it last week steven was like oh i'm gonna ask my mom because
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she lived in LA at that time. So Steven, do you want to turn it over and tell your mother's
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Chippendales experience? Yes. She grew up in Los Angeles. She's had plenty of Night Stalker,
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serial killer connections. And she has a Chippendales connection in which she went to
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the Culver City location, which I think was the original. Yeah, I think so. And yeah,
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and I asked her to describe it. And she was like screaming women with lots of dollar bills.
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and then she saw a woman making out with one of the dancers in the bathroom. Yes.
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And she was like quick to point out, was it me or your Aunt Terry? Yeah, right. Sure.
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Wow. That's awesome. Because I kind of assumed most of those dancers must be gay men
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because they have such perfect bodies. But that's really exciting. Those men must have been in heaven.
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Oh. That's like a dream job. Oh, my God. Up to their necks. my friend Doug Jones, who's a original listener, his mom and dad are from here too. And, um,
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Goodbye. All right. Well, this week to kick it off, I'm going to do the thing that I used to do all the time.
00:31:10
Bringing it on back. This is a story I got from an episode of I Survived. Wow. Yes.
00:31:17
It's been a while. It's been a long time, I think, because I cycled through all of the stories on I Survived that struck me and hit me.
00:31:28
Because I Survived, it's their own stories. That's the thing that I liked so much about it.
00:31:32
It's me acting as if Jennifer Morey telling her story about what happened to her was my friend telling me that story.
00:31:41
Right. And then you, my friend, are telling me that story. Yes, because I'm going to be like, you have to know about this person.
00:31:46
That's all we are. That's all we want. That's all we do. Right. And so we have another another of these people. Right. This is the story of the abduction of Paul Martin Andrews. So he Paul Martin Andrews, he wrote a firsthand account of what happened to him for a magazine called The Hook in 2003. And now The Hook has all of their back issues online. It's going to say episodes. Of course, his episode of I Survived.
00:32:14
There's also a People Magazine article by Bill Hewitt, a Morbidology article, morbidology.com by Emily Thompson. Martin Andrews wrote an article for The Hook. There's also an article for The Freelance Star by Laura Moyer, an article for the website wavy.com by Andy Fox.
00:32:34
There is Bella Online, which is like a blog by Erica Lynn Smith that had a lot of good information in it.
00:32:42
There was Fox News dot com article by Nicholas Lanham, ABC News, Washington Post and of course, Wikipedia.
00:32:52
Love it. I mean, a lot of people talking. Well, it's been, you know, this happened in the 70s. And it kind of went on for a while because it's the kind of story, you know, well, you'll see.
00:33:05
You know what? I'll see. You know what? Instead of why am I synopsizing a story I'm also about to tell you? That's one of the major mistakes in podcasting.
00:33:14
That and when people ask a question and then they go, they go like, what happened to that person? I mean, did they get married? Did they go on vacation?
00:33:22
My sister does it all the time and I go, stop asking me sub questions and I will answer the original question and that will answer all of the other questions.
00:33:30
That and eating on air. Can you believe how unprofessional some people get me? Still snacking.
00:33:38
Now, just even making that noise. Yeah. My sister would be so furious if she was listening to this podcast and I made mouth sounds like that.
00:33:47
That's her absolute pet peeve. She can't stand. And I think a lot of people have this like a physical reaction to that noise.
00:33:56
Yeah. It's not great listening to other people eat. Maybe take that. Maybe Stephen bleeped Karen doing that.
00:34:04
But I did it the least damp way possible. Yeah, it was a joke. It was a joke. Don't you?
00:34:09
This is a true crime comedy podcast. It was a joke. Okay. Now we're starting this story.
00:34:14
Okay. Okay. So it's around eight in the morning. This beginning, too, is one of the ones where you're just like, what if this happened to you?
00:34:25
It's just so unbelievable. It's 8 in the morning on January 19th. It's 1973. And January 19th is the last day of rabbit hunting season.
00:34:37
So there's two hunters driving through the woods, each in their own pickup truck, and they both hear someone screaming.
00:34:44
So, luckily, they stop and get out and they're looking around. Now, they're in the middle of the forest, out in the middle of nowhere, and they're walking around and then they look and they see a metal door in the ground.
00:34:59
Right? Why is there a metal door in the middle of the forest? It is straight out of almost like a hacky horror movie script of like out in the middle of nowhere, there's a door.
00:35:10
Yeah. so it's partially covered with leaves but it's propped open and um so one hunter approaches this
00:35:20
door slowly with his rifle aimed toward it of course and he calls out to say whoever's inside
00:35:26
come out right now and then the hunters hear a young boy yelling back i can't come out because
00:35:33
he's chained up and he needs help oh my god so the the they throw that door open
00:35:42
and they uncover a horrific scene inside of what looks to be a small dark box is a chained up 13 year old boy with black eyes a broken nose bruises all over his face and body and a broken front tooth And this boy name is Martin Andrews So these hunters call the police
00:36:04
When the police arrive on the scene, they begin photographing the whole area, including the box
00:36:12
with Martin still inside, still chained up. When I read this, it was like it broke my heart.
00:36:19
It is the most 70s, no consideration for the victim kind of procedural moment where it's like, so they got all their work done first and then they cut him loose with a pair of bolt cutters.
00:36:34
Horrifying. That's disgusting. Horrifying. So they take him to the, I can only guess it's pronounced the OBC Memorial Hospital, but it's O-B-I-C-I.
00:36:45
Okay. O-B-I-C-I, I don't know. And here's the thing. Martin's mom works at this hospital as a nurse and she had reported her son missing seven days before. The police told her he was probably just a runaway and then just to wait it out and he would come back. She knew that wasn't the case.
00:37:05
So when Martin is brought in covered in bruises and clearly, you know, beaten and assaulted and almost collapses, partly from relief that he's alive and then partly because looking at him, she can see that her son has been through something horrible.
00:37:23
Yeah. Oh, my God. So Paul Martin Andrews. So he goes by his middle name, Martin.
00:37:28
he's born in 1959 in White County, Virginia. He's the oldest of three kids. When he's 12 years old,
00:37:36
his parents get a divorce, which is of course rough for the whole family. A year later,
00:37:42
his mom remarries and the new stepdad has three kids of his own. So Martin, the mom,
00:37:48
and his siblings, they move into the new stepdad's house in Portsmouth, Virginia.
00:37:53
So this is like a bigger town than he lived in before. There's more to do. They have movies. They have arcades. There's convenience stores. And so Martin and his siblings are latchkey kids. Both parents work. So he starts smoking. They're basically kind of like it's their early 70s lifestyle of they're out and about. He basically has a bunch of stuff to do. And he's, you know, he's living his best preteen life. Smoky Marlboros.
00:38:26
I mean, they practically came on your birthday cake when you turned 12 in the 70s.
00:38:30
You know, happy birthday. What else were you going to do down in the creek? Yeah.
00:38:34
So he decides, because he wants to do all these things and he wants to be out and about, so he gets a paper route.
00:38:40
On January 11th, there's a big snowstorm. The schools declare Snow Day. And Georgia, you're from California, so Snow Day means you don't have to go to school because it's snowing.
00:38:49
Thank you for telling me that. Apparently, they tell you on the news and stuff. It's a real big deal.
00:38:53
California kids don't understand. No. So all kids are off from school. And of course, Martin is stoked to have the day off, but he still has to do his paper route.
00:39:03
So what he does, he puts on ice skates and he skates down the street and pulls the newspapers in a sled.
00:39:10
Isn't that cute? So he makes the most of it, basically. Then later in the afternoon, he and his sisters decide that they're going to make ice cream out of the freshly fallen snow, which I guess is something kids did do in where it snows.
00:39:26
It's gross. But so they have sugar and of course they have the snow. So now all they need is some
00:39:31
milk. So Martin volunteers to walk down to the local convenience store to go get it. And he gets
00:39:37
about three blocks down the street when a blue Ford van approaches and the driver introduces
00:39:42
himself as Pee Wee. And he asks Martin if he wants to help him move furniture at his brother's house
00:39:48
and he'll pay him three dollars to do it. And so Martin's like, it's yes, more money. So he agrees
00:39:55
because he wants the money and also because he assumes that this guy who's talking to him must
00:40:01
be a neighbor in this new neighborhood that he just hasn't met yet yeah um so he gets into this
00:40:06
van yeah horrifying and it's this it's the same thing i did with the guy where you're kind of like
00:40:13
if you think someone is your neighbor or someone other people know and like a fixture
00:40:18
then trust is so much more automatic. Right. And so much more, it's kind of what you just...
00:40:27
Especially if they have an air of confidence of like, yeah, I belong here. And you're like, okay, what am I doing to question it?
00:40:34
I'm not going to question it. Yeah. If you're a 12 year old kid and you're like,
00:40:36
hey, come help me do this thing. It sounds like they're going around the corner to do it.
00:40:42
So Martin feels fine about this decision until Pee Wee merges onto the interstate.
00:40:48
Oh, no. So he, of course, thought it was going to happen somewhere in the neighborhood they already were.
00:40:53
Right. Now he doesn't know the area. They're getting far away from... He already is new to the area.
00:40:58
Now he doesn't know where he is. He knows they're somewhere near Suffolk, but doesn't know the exact location.
00:41:04
And he starts to worry that he's going to get in trouble for going off with a stranger.
00:41:09
Then he sees a long knife in one of the door pockets in this van. and he starts getting like panicky.
00:41:17
Yeah. And so as any 13 year old in the 70s would do, he starts smoking and he pulls out a cigarette
00:41:24
and starts smoking. And then Pee Wee goes, oh, that's the kind I smoke too. And then he was like, oh, okay.
00:41:29
And he's kind of comforted by that. Like, oh, this isn't so bad. Maybe I'm just overreacting.
00:41:36
So then Pee Wee stops at a store and says he has to grab some things before they get to his brother's house.
00:41:41
So as Martin's sitting in the van, He wants to jump out and run but he doesn know where he is He doesn know where he run to He thinks he going to get in trouble overall And then he I told I gave this man my word I would help him and take this job
00:42:01
Yeah. And it would be bad of me to run away right now. Right. Or what would that look like if I ran away and he really just was.
00:42:09
Right. Well, it's that classic I'm overreacting, relax, you're being dramatic. Yeah.
00:42:14
Thing that we all tell ourselves instead of listening. When our instincts, yeah, exactly, are telling us a totally different thing.
00:42:20
Yeah. But that's, you know, that's what most people do. And also, that's why it's like, when you are 12 years old, those are you start thinking of things that your parents, of course, would be like, you would never be in trouble, right? Or just running and get just going into the store and saying, I don't know this man in a van or whatever. Yeah. But I mean, this is just this is what happens. So he basically just stays where he is. So they get back on the road, they drive about 15.
00:42:50
20 miles south further, they turn onto a dirt road near a place called Dismal Swamp.
00:42:56
And then, yeah, then they pull up and down the dirt road, there's a chain that's blocking
00:43:03
the road. That's like a locked chain. And Pee Wee says that his brother keeps the key to this fence in a deer box out in the
00:43:11
woods. So they just need to walk out to the deer box to go get it and unlock it.
00:43:17
So Martin follows this guy out into the woods and they soon reach the metal door that's in the ground.
00:43:23
So Pee Wee opens it. He crawls inside the deer box. So it's actually these are common things for like deer hunting season.
00:43:30
OK. So you can hide and like surprise the deer. Oh, I didn't. I always thought they were like up in the trees.
00:43:35
I didn't know they had them underground. I think those are blinds. Right. I think they have both.
00:43:41
But I guess this is like these aren't it's not unheard of. I've never. It is just to us.
00:43:46
Again, I'm from Southern California. Yeah, we just don't. We don't know snow days.
00:43:50
We don't know hunting. Uh-uh. So Pee Wee gets into this box first. And he says, here, I need you to come in and help me move this stuff around.
00:43:58
So Martin follows him in. And as he goes inside, Pee Wee pulls out a 12-inch hunting knife and says, I've got bad news for you.
00:44:06
You've just been kidnapped. Oh, God. And then it's really horrible because Pee Wee immediately makes Martin strip naked.
00:44:17
He rapes him. And this is the first of four sexual assaults that happened on that first day.
00:44:22
Martin will end up being held in this underground box in the woods for the next seven days being repeatedly raped and beaten, viciously beaten.
00:44:31
And sometimes he gets let outside either to help Pee Wee cook or to walk through the woods or to sit by the campfire.
00:44:40
But of course, the abuse Martin endures makes him tread lightly when Pee Wee has his moments of calm.
00:44:49
Yeah. He tries to, you know, make casual conversation with the man, hoping that he can eventually kind of convince him to let him go.
00:44:58
But Pee Wee is erratic and unstable. Martin later recalls being in constant fear for his life, just like totally so scared saying, you just never knew what was going to set this guy off. So it's really erratic, really violent, horrible.
00:45:13
How is he telling his story on I Survived? Is he like stoic? Is he? He's yeah, he's just like all the other survivors where he's it's very there's definitely moments where you see him kind of well up.
00:45:28
And it's such an overwhelming, horrible memory to that day. You know, it seemed. But at the same time, he's very good at telling his story.
00:45:38
Yeah. Yeah. I think especially for and, you know, I not to speak on this in any way that I know about it, but I think as we all know, culturally, it's so hard for men to talk about sexual assaults. It's like because we all know men are allowed to have feelings anyway. They aren't allowed to, you know, and then something like that is all the implications of that and the shame and everything around it.
00:46:05
So it's really kind of amazing to watch him because most of the men on I survived, their stories are about how their snowmobile overturned and they got stuck in like a frozen river for real.
00:46:17
And then you have two women who are telling these horrifying stories. So he really does stand out as this really strong narrator of what is a complete nightmare story.
00:46:28
Just unbelievable. So Pee Wee comes and goes from this box in the ground. he always makes sure that he ties Martin up when he leaves.
00:46:39
So Martin is chained by the ankle to the side of the box. His feet are tied together with wire and his hands are tied behind his back with wire.
00:46:50
Oh my God. So then eight days into the abduction, Pee Wee leaves Martin chained up inside the box and he doesn't return.
00:46:57
and Martin thinks he's been left for dead underground in the middle of the forest
00:47:02
and in the middle of nowhere. So when he finally hears those trucks coming in the distance,
00:47:09
he figures out a way to prop one of the doors open and he just starts screaming and just by a miracle of God,
00:47:18
the passing hunters in trucks hear him screaming, stop, look for him and find him.
00:47:26
Especially because if it's, you said it's the last day of rabbit hunting season, which means maybe people aren't going to come out again after that day.
00:47:33
Yes. Right? Right up. Yes, exactly. Like that was the, that was probably the last day anything like that would have happened.
00:47:41
Yeah. Or like was. Possible. Yeah. The, the idea that there would be people out there for that reason.
00:47:50
Like suddenly there would be no reason to be out there at all. Ooh. Horrifying. So it doesn't.
00:47:56
take police very long to identify Martin's attacker. He's 33-year-old Richard Alvin Osley.
00:48:02
He's a child rapist who's on parole for abducting a 10-year-old boy in 1961. He also raped that boy
00:48:10
and the boy was found hogtied and left for dead in the woods. So it was exactly the same crime
00:48:15
that he had already gone to jail for, gotten out on parole. He served 10 years, got out on parole.
00:48:22
And the day he abducted Martin, he was supposed to appear in court to face additional sodomy charges because he attacked another 14 year old boy in 1972.
00:48:35
So he it was he he got out and immediately started doing it again. It was his real predator.
00:48:41
So the police show Martin a photo lineup and Martin picks out Richard Owsley right away.
00:48:47
They tell Martin that they were sure Owsley was their guy. Now Martin has confirmed it.
00:48:52
But the police had told Martin's parents when he was reported missing, they thought he was a runaway.
00:49:00
So that begs the question, if the authorities knew that a child rapist had skipped his court appearance and was on the lam, once he didn't show up for court, why wasn't there any kind of communication or protocol in place so that when Martin's mother reported him missing, the connection would be immediately made?
00:49:20
and they'd connect those dots and not assume the boy is a runaway. Or even let everyone know in the public know, it's like a be on the lookout, be extra cautious.
00:49:31
This person has skipped out and he's a fucking predator. Yeah. Like warning the public.
00:49:37
I mean, you know, it's the early 70s. So it was kind of like, was there even 911 back then?
00:49:44
Like it's all these things that we take for granted as if they've existed always are so
00:49:49
many of them are so recent yeah um and i think stuff like this like if it was maybe by chance
00:49:56
in a different county right right it's always that story of like if it's one county over or
00:50:01
one city over it just doesn't get conveyed but that idea that like a mother coming to say my
00:50:08
12 year old son is just missing yeah he was went to the store and didn't come home my pre-teen son
00:50:15
went to the store and didn't come home and had plans with his sisters like it doesn't yeah you
00:50:20
know just anyway but that also was that time right where it was like early enough because i believe it
00:50:27
was yes 73 so that was just the end of like that you know the summer of love kind of thing where
00:50:35
all the teenagers went to san francisco this was the thing the cops said all the time and used all
00:50:41
the time to just not have to track anything down. So the good news is that four days after Martin
00:50:48
was discovered, January 23rd, 1973, Richard Owsley turns himself in. He's charged with abduction,
00:50:56
rape, and sodomy, and he's guilty. I think he pled no contest. He's given a 48-year prison
00:51:03
sentence. So the Sunday after his rescue, so now this is all about basically Martin being the victim
00:51:12
of this horrible crime and basically having to, you know, come back into his family and to his
00:51:19
community and how things got dealt with back then. Right. So the Sunday after his rescue, Martin goes
00:51:25
to church with his family and this was the congregation. They had been praying for him when
00:51:31
he was missing. They had all been waiting for his return. Of course, everyone was so thrilled.
00:51:36
There's a story about his six-year-old sister saying that the day that Martin was found,
00:51:42
she saw a rainbow in the sky and she knew that was a message that he was going to be okay.
00:51:48
Oh, my God. And a lot of people in this community, even though the cops said he was a runaway,
00:51:54
they knew that something bad had happened. There was one church congregation member,
00:51:59
was a fireman named Troy Tippin who had spent the week doing an aerial search in a helicopter
00:52:06
looking for him. Like there are people who really took it seriously. Yeah. And so once he was safe
00:52:13
and home again, everyone basically tries to not talk about it, say he's fine, he's back,
00:52:20
and that means everything's fine. They're, of course, all afraid any discussion of it is going
00:52:24
to traumatize Martin even further. And one of the only people who wants to talk about the fact that
00:52:30
Martin was kidnapped and that this was, you know, like an assault was Troy Tippin, this fireman.
00:52:36
Wow. And Martin would later say that he so appreciated the fact that Troy was trying to
00:52:41
acknowledge what he'd actually gone through instead of this idea of like, you know, he has to be a man
00:52:48
and he has to be tough and not talk about it and basically ignore it, which is, as we all know,
00:52:54
not the solution. Yeah. So, I mean, it was, again, the seventies, no one knew how to handle
00:53:00
anything, but it seems like it's not that different now in a lot of cultures. Right. Well, because I think there's, yeah, I think that's just the thing that's starting to
00:53:11
change now, you know, a little bit more with like social media where people are like talking about
00:53:18
things and coming forward with things. But that idea to say, to qualify somebody else's experience
00:53:24
of be like, he's fine, is so, you know, minimizing and demeaning to that person's experience of what
00:53:31
they went through. I feel like back then, too, it's like, we're grateful he's home. Let's not
00:53:35
question it. Let's not talk about it. Let's just give him a normal, quote, life. And we'll all
00:53:41
forget about it. Right. And he'll forget about it. Which, of course, doesn't work. And because,
00:53:48
of course things weren OK after that such a horrible experience his parents and their his doctors like basically he felt like they thought he was broken and that they were trying to fix him
00:54:01
And basically the experts warned Martin's parents that the trauma could make him act out, do a bunch of stuff and possibly go on to be a sexual predator himself.
00:54:12
So with the fear that this would be some kind of like an instigating experience in his life, his parents end up sending him to a psychiatric ward for treatment.
00:54:26
Oh, dear. Right. So that's really sad and difficult because, of course, he's in there with truly mentally ill people.
00:54:36
Right. He's a preteen boy. Yeah. That's heartbreaking. He has to go through a bunch of tests.
00:54:41
He is in group therapy. He has individual counseling. He's, of course, incredibly frustrated. And it's arguably as traumatizing a situation, although he does continue like the counseling.
00:54:55
Of course, at least he finally got to talk about it and it was being acknowledged and discussed and faced in a way.
00:55:01
So he does continue counseling after his release, which I think is good for a while.
00:55:07
you know, when he's in his teens, he turns to alcohol and drugs to escape, which is completely
00:55:14
justified and understandable. But after he graduates from high school, he moves to Fort
00:55:19
Lauderdale, Florida to get a fresh start. And he works as a computer repairman. And he becomes
00:55:26
active at the local Presbyterian church where he lives. He's very well liked in this congregation
00:55:32
of people. He has one friend that he met there who would later tell reporters, he's amazingly
00:55:38
gentle. You cannot find a kinder, more compassionate human being. And in 1980, Martin meets a man named Mark Levy when he's out at a nightclub. The two start dating.
00:55:49
They move in together shortly after that, and they've been together ever since. Holy shit.
00:55:55
Yes. So Martin's life finally starts coming together, but he still never tells anybody
00:56:01
about what happened to him. He never talks about it. And even his partner, Mark, he's aware that
00:56:07
Martin went through something, some sort of traumatic event in his childhood, but he doesn't
00:56:12
ask about it. They don't discuss it. And he says that he figured when the time came,
00:56:19
Martin would tell him about it. So then almost 30 years later, after what Martin went through
00:56:26
In 2002, he finds out that Richard Owsley, who's now 63, is up for parole. I knew you were going to say that.
00:56:35
Yeah. Yeah. So Martin searches for some way to prevent Owsley's release. And he discovers there's a legal process in Virginia called civil confinement, where the worst violent sexual predators are evaluated after their prison sentences are over to see if they're fit to rejoin society.
00:56:56
And if they're deemed to not be fit, then they're sent to special treatment facilities.
00:57:02
So the Civil Commitment of Sexually Violent Predators Act became a statute in 1999.
00:57:08
But because of lack of funding, the program never got up and running. So Martin is determined to keep Richard Owsley off the streets, essentially.
00:57:18
He's still young. He could still fucking do that constantly. Right. He's only in his 60s.
00:57:23
Yeah. So Martin decides it's finally time to share his story with the world. He has to talk about it.
00:57:30
I have chills. I have chills. Right? So he goes to the parole board and he tells them his story in detail.
00:57:37
And then he goes to a number of Virginia lawmakers and he goes to several media outlets.
00:57:43
He tells them everything Richard Owsley did to him. He puts basically the whole thing puts pressure on the state of Virginia and they end up allocating funds to the civil confinement program.
00:57:56
Wow. So this actually ends up working. Richard Owsley's parole is denied. And in 2003, Virginia Governor Mark Warner includes funding
00:58:06
for the Civil Commitment of Sexually Violent Predators Act in the state budget. So a few months after Martin speaks publicly, another man comes forward. He said he too was
00:58:20
assaulted by Richard Owsley in 1972 when he was 14 years old. Yep. He was also too afraid to tell
00:58:27
anybody about the horrors he'd suffered and he had kept them a secret for all of his life
00:58:32
until he heard Martin tell his story and it gave him the courage to come forward.
00:58:38
So this was essentially the case that Richard Owsley skipped out on the day that he kidnapped
00:58:44
Martin. He was supposed to be going to court for this boy's attack and rape. So basically,
00:58:51
the Richard Owsley returns to court to face the sodomy charge for the 1972 assault and he pleads
00:58:59
no contest. The judge adds another five years to his sentence and he ends up going back to jail.
00:59:04
When he's in jail on January 13th, 2004, Richard Owsley is strangled to death by his cellmate.
00:59:13
Wow. It turns out his cellmate had himself been sexually assaulted when he was a child
00:59:19
And he'd actually warned the prison guards not to assign him to a cell with a pedophile because he wouldn't be able to control his actions.
00:59:28
And those guards either didn't listen or they did listen. Yeah. Holy shit. Yes. And when reporters inform Martin Andrews about Richard Owsley's murder, he tells them, I'm still very conflicted and I'm trying to come to terms with it.
00:59:46
I did what I did to keep him off the street. Nobody deserves to be murdered Wow That fucking grace right there Yes it is And that is the survival story of Paul Martin Andrews Jesus Right That crazy So in 2021 they tried to
01:00:07
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01:00:14
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Today, I'm going to tell you about one of Oklahoma's most high profile unsolved murder
01:03:33
cases, the murder of Cattle Ranch Empire owner E.C. Mullendore III. Oh, okay. So the sources that I used are three Oklahoman articles, one by Richard W. Brake, one by
01:03:47
Ann Kelly, and another by Silas Allen, an Unsolved Magazine article by Mike Easterling,
01:03:53
a Paris News staff article, Glanz and Associates, the Cowley County Historical Society Museum,
01:04:00
and the Oklahoma Quarter Horse. All right. So on October 26, 1937, Eugene Claremont Mullendore III is born, and he goes by EC.
01:04:12
So I'm going to call him that from now on. His parents are Gene Mullendore II and his wife Kathleen.
01:04:18
They had built their family's cattle ranch business into an empire. By the time they built it up, the couple had owned more than 130,000 acres of land along the Kansas-Oklahoma border.
01:04:30
they breed quarter horses they raise the best cattle they drill for oil and they become known
01:04:36
as the largest cattle shippers ever on the santa fe railroad so whoa they're fucking rich as fuck
01:04:41
yeah gene and kathleen the parents are a great team she is in charge of the main house the cook
01:04:47
house for the helpers and keeping the books and she even becomes a pilot so she can fly over the
01:04:52
ranch and let her husband know if there's any animals running loose whoa so she kind of sounds
01:04:57
about us. She's getting it. Also, you know, she makes like a hearty biscuit. Oh, maybe,
01:05:05
maybe some delicious fried chicken. Can we do biscuits and gravy? Please. God. She makes a
01:05:10
great biscuits and gravy. And maybe some, a nice kettle of beans. Oh man, I'm hungry. Okay. And
01:05:16
Jean is in charge of everything else, the whole cattle ranch. So they have their son, EC in 1937.
01:05:21
They have a daughter in 1940. And then the couple and their family moves into a mansion on Crossbell Ranch, which encompasses around 42,000 acres of the family's empire land.
01:05:35
So much land. It's too much land. No wonder she needs to be a pilot. You can't just go for a walk.
01:05:41
No, you have to. I mean, that's so much work. Yeah, that's true. It's so much work.
01:05:47
We live next door to my aunt Jean and Uncle Steve And they had just like a fun farm It was for no reason except for we would we had like you know sheep sheep and cows in the fair
01:06:00
I always forget you like grew up on land. Yeah, on land. But like we were the my dad used to say we're the gentleman farmers.
01:06:08
None of these people take us seriously because all around us for like poultry ranches and dairy farms and the whole thing.
01:06:16
Yeah. And even but even just having like, you know, six cows is so much work. Yes, totally.
01:06:25
I would imagine. Yeah. I had a cat and it was a lot of work. I can't imagine six fucking cows.
01:06:32
OK, so the area is located in a remote area of Osage County in northern Oklahoma.
01:06:38
It's one of the state's largest ranches, thousands of livestock. According to Unsolved Magazine, everything about Crossbell was kept in first class, illustrating the Mullendor's fondness in life for finer things.
01:06:50
So they made a lot of money off of this. Big money. Big money in farming. Yeah. So just to give you an idea how much land and how opulent it was, to get to the mansion, you had to drive up a four-mile driveway.
01:07:02
Yes. Right? Is that what you want in life? I mean, so wait, sorry. It wasn't just like, because some people live on their cattle ranch and their home, they keep it all real low key.
01:07:15
You just kind of wouldn't know they had money at all. Right. Is almost like, that's a very Sonoma County way to do it.
01:07:22
Yeah. It's just like. Down home. They don't, they're not bougie. They're not flaunting.
01:07:26
No. This doesn't sound like that. It sounds like they had a mansion with a big, long driveway.
01:07:31
Yeah. Yeah. And they had built a private school on the ranch for E.C. and his sister and the children of the cowboys working for the family to attend.
01:07:43
So a lot like enough cowboys to create an entire school out of it. Like, it's crazy.
01:07:48
That's a huge staff. Yeah. So the kid of E.C. eventually heads off to Oklahoma University, but he moves back home in 1959 at 22 years old after his father basically hands him the ranch because the dad's eyesight's failing.
01:08:01
His kid's 22. He's like, take over the ranch. He's like, I simply can't do this anymore.
01:08:06
Yeah, I can't see shit. Yeah. Yeah. So he marries his high school sweetheart, Linda, and the couple go on to have four children.
01:08:14
And they live on the Crossbell Ranch and what's referred to as the little house, not far from his parents' mansion.
01:08:22
So the Molendore family's opulence just continues to grow once E.C. takes over. He's like the moneymaker.
01:08:29
He spends money like it grows on trees. He makes expensive upgrades. He goes on sprees where he buys lots of land and livestock.
01:08:37
And Linda becomes known as the Jackie Kennedy of Osage County. Oh, my. And apparently she's like gorgeous.
01:08:43
So this is kind of like Dallas. That's exactly what it says. Yes. It says that in one of the articles.
01:08:48
Yes. So like these are the Dallas people. OK. But of course, this kind of lifestyle is not sustainable, spending all of your money and taking out huge loans.
01:08:57
And by September 1970, EC's life is falling apart around him. He's in debt for $11 million.
01:09:05
Oh, no. Yeah. Oh. And that's in 1970 money. So what is that today? $88 million. That's right.
01:09:11
Actually, can I look that up in the old translator? Do it. You love getting that right.
01:09:16
They did it. I have a $10 million. Okay. $10 million in 1970 is the equivalent of $71,285,824.
01:09:29
So we're like in between. So how would you say? I said $59. Yeah. It's basically, I think it's like a little bit above $1 million more of that.
01:09:42
Can you imagine being that much in debt? Oh, dude. What do you even spend that much money on?
01:09:48
Well, it's like, I think probably that kind of thing where he's like used to spending money.
01:09:53
And so then it's like, you don't have one car, you have eight cars. Right. You don't have six cows. You have 27 cows.
01:10:00
Yes. And so probably maybe buying land, all the equipment, like everything that makes it run.
01:10:06
Your mom's planes that she likes to fly all over the place. Oh, those planes. She's in a private jet looking down over the land.
01:10:12
Yeah. Everything looks fine. She's got an army helicopter that she circles in. I mean, the easiest thing in the world is to spend money.
01:10:20
So I think the more you have, the more you. Yeah, I think especially when you grow up with money, too, probably.
01:10:25
It's just like it's not a big deal to you. Yeah. So parties. I'm going to keep thinking of things.
01:10:31
Oh, like what are the debutante balls for your children? Yeah, for all the kids at the schoolhouse.
01:10:37
That's right. Everybody. That schoolhouse was so expensive. They had chandeliers in every classroom.
01:10:45
So, of course, he's stressed out because he's 11 fucking million dollars in debt.
01:10:52
So he does what anyone who's stressed out does back then and now starts drinking.
01:10:57
And when he drinks, he likes to fight. He likes to get into fights. Hello, friend.
01:11:03
Hello, sir. Yeah, he's not a fun, friendly drunk. He's a let's fucking fight. Yeah.
01:11:10
So the more they get into debt, the more easy drinks. And of course, that takes a huge toll on Linda and their marriage.
01:11:17
It doesn't sound like he fought her, but he made problems. Yes. He likes some chaos.
01:11:21
Exactly. So on September 20th, after a, quote, intense argument, Linda takes the couple's four kids,
01:11:27
gets the fuck out of there, moves to Tulsa and files for divorce. So just before midnight and six days later on September 26th, 33-year-old E.C. is at home.
01:11:37
And the only other person there is 29-year-old Damon Anderson, whose nickname is Chubb, which is a great...
01:11:46
So he's what I saw in one article called... He's EC's, quote, manservant. And he was...
01:11:54
He had once been a horse thief, but he supposedly left the life of crime behind him.
01:11:58
And he's been with the family for around four and a half years. He works as a driver, a babysitter, a handyman, a ranch hand, and a bodyguard, a.k.a. manservant.
01:12:08
He does it all. He does it all. Also, I just was surprised when you just said EC is 33.
01:12:14
I know. Don't you think of like an old fucking ranch? Yeah. And also that much in debt?
01:12:20
That's a good point. Wow. Oh, he was working on it. I mean, how do you? I just don't even.
01:12:26
It's boggling. It makes me think that maybe the substance abuses were taking place before that.
01:12:33
Like the alcohol. But you can't just like get drunk and buy shit online back then.
01:12:36
No, that's true. You have to like go somewhere. You have to flip through that Sears catalog, all sloppy.
01:12:42
Like, I get these curtains. What? Say it again. I get these curtains. What else do you want to buy, ma'am?
01:12:49
I just get a rug matched to curtains. What color would you want that in? You pick it.
01:12:54
It's funny. That's me on the phone. Are you the operator for Sears? I fucking am.
01:13:00
I'm just trying to get you to keep talking. Ma'am, is there anything you want? Did you want to have the beautiful doilies that go with it?
01:13:06
Yeah, we should just go over Christmas, look at some toys. It's the only thing your catalog's good for anyway.
01:13:13
Ma'am? That's the turn. Then you and I fight. There's always a turn. You're mad at me.
01:13:19
All right. So Chubb is there. E.C. is there. And then what happens next is just a huge gossipy debate thing.
01:13:28
But what Anderson says happened, Jab says happened, is he's upstairs drawing a bath when he hears a gunshot from the basement den.
01:13:37
He runs downstairs and finds E.C. sitting on the couch. His bloody head is slumped forward and he'd been badly beaten.
01:13:44
He had lacerations to his scalp, contusions to his face, and also some of his teeth had been knocked loose.
01:13:50
and he had been shot once between the eyes oh my god i know so anderson's leaning over ec like
01:13:58
being like what the fuck um and then suddenly he feels something like something behind him and he
01:14:02
had been shot in the shoulder behind him um he jumps to his feet draws his pistol and starts
01:14:08
chasing after two stocky men in suits who are taking off from the basement den who had just
01:14:14
shot him and shot EC before him. Huh. Mm. I don't know. Why are they in suits? Why?
01:14:21
Well, here you go. I'll tell you why. Okay. They exit through the sliding glass door.
01:14:24
Anderson just empties his clip trying to get them, but the men get away. Anderson tries to call 911, but the phone had been disconnected due to non-payment.
01:14:33
So that's the kind of debt. Oh, Jesus. Yeah, that's the kind of debt we're talking about.
01:14:36
Like even the phone company was like, you're fucking cut off. That's crazy. I know.
01:14:41
The horses are coming in the window. Hey, can we get some food? What's going on?
01:14:47
This is bananas. So Anderson runs 200 yards to the house of the ranch manager to tell him what happened.
01:14:53
So then they call an ambulance while Anderson drives himself with a bullet wound in the
01:14:58
shoulder to the hospital because you're a rancher and that's what you fucking do.
01:15:01
That's the thing about when you live way out in the country. Oh, yeah. Either you find out where a doctor type lives nearby.
01:15:08
To come to you. Everything is very, you can't get that right now. It's not going to be for another hour.
01:15:15
Like, that's the whole thing is it's real nice. You can see all the stars at night.
01:15:21
But man, you can have your own plane, but you can't. If you're shot, then you need to take yourself to the hospital.
01:15:26
You're just like, yeah, you can't have pizza delivered and you can't get to the hospital very quickly at all.
01:15:31
Oh, it sucks. LA. Love it here. Hey. Okay. So because the call to the police station is made from five miles away, it's like something about the wrong jurisdiction is called. So the police officers from another jurisdiction show up and they are all really inexperienced.
01:15:50
so um this is just the beginning of an investigation that's just all errors so outside the house the
01:15:58
crime scene has been described as being like a circus the osage county sheriff's department and
01:16:03
the oklahoma bureau of investigation are assigned to the case but officials from nearby counties just
01:16:09
show up to gawk because i feel like nothing like that happens around there and they're like
01:16:13
i'll help it's like they're like it's up at the ewing's house right somebody shot jr so yeah
01:16:19
everyone's just going to go to see what they can see. Totally. Because again, there's nothing nearby.
01:16:24
Right. There's nothing happening. Of course, any evidence of tire tracks or other physical evidence is ruined because so many
01:16:30
people are chomping around. Inside the house is just as bad. Barely any evidence is collected.
01:16:35
Just a few fingerprints lifted. No hair or blood samples are collected. And EC's body is removed before any photos are taken.
01:16:45
So there's no photos of him in the crime scene. And they're told not to, but the funeral home cleans up EC's body and starts the embalming process before an autopsy can be performed and before any samples can be taken.
01:16:57
So it's just immediately any evidence is just gone. And what year? 1970. Oh, OK.
01:17:04
So that seems like the kind of thing that would happen. Yeah. Yeah. So this means that police can't test his hands for gunshot residue or take any scrapings from his fingernails.
01:17:13
Basically, no evidence is collected, really. Then a private investigator and former detective named Gary Glanz is hired by Linda, the wife who had left for Tulsa.
01:17:24
And he shows up at the ranch. He later says the investigative deputies look very young and it's clear they have no idea how to work a murder.
01:17:34
So Linda fills everyone in on EC's huge debts and how he tried to get loans from known crime figures in Kansas City and St. Louis.
01:17:43
And so it seems that his murder was a result of a mob hit which would explain the two assailants wearing suits Right Maybe Definitely I just feel like people love to bring the mob in in times where the mob they innocent
01:18:02
Are you giving them a pass? Here's the thing. I love the mob. I think that they are misjudged.
01:18:08
No, I just think that like, that's the thing that you see happen all the time where the
01:18:13
people that are in the family or in the inner circle are always like, I don't know.
01:18:18
It seems like it seems like the Italians were here where it's like, yeah, I don't.
01:18:23
It's got to be those mobsters. I don't know. Well, she has no reason to lie. And if he's 11 million dollars in debt, that can't all be on the books.
01:18:31
True. Right. No, no. Yeah, I get that. In this case, it definitely seems more possible.
01:18:37
Yeah. So it is plausible. I will tell a spoiler alert. It is plausible. OK, no, but not.
01:18:43
But no. But that's no. Nothing firm. That's not what happened. Okay. Police also question other people who've recently been at the ranch, and some of these people are known crime figures.
01:18:55
However, there are rumors that E.C.'s death could have been the result of a robbery.
01:19:00
Others speculate that perhaps he had taken his own life and made it look like a robbery or a crime, a mob hit, so that his family could collect the $15 million insurance policy.
01:19:11
Yes, that's big. That was on him. Uh-huh. Yeah. So when this dude, this fucking private eye, Glanz, hears what Anderson.
01:19:18
I'm sorry, that's not a great name. G-L-A-N-Z. Glanz. Yeah, it's better in the reading than in the hearing.
01:19:26
Like Glanz. So when Glanz hears about what Anderson, the manservant, has to say about what happened that night after he's questioned by the police, he realized that this isn't a mob hit.
01:19:37
In his professional opinion, Anderson's a fucking killer. Yeah. For sure. Yes. No pictures of the crime scene were taken, but Glanz had been permitted to sketch the crime scene.
01:19:46
So he knows that Anderson's story doesn't add up to where the bullet holes were located.
01:19:52
So this guy's like, he's like got his own detective show where he like, you see the pieces, you know, like Matrix style put together.
01:19:59
So he's kind of like, yeah, this isn't, this geometrically is not aligned. That's right.
01:20:05
Yeah. That's right. But also, Glance feels that Anderson's account is like too much of a John Wayne hero story of him chasing the bad guys out and shooting them out and everything like that.
01:20:15
He's like, this, that doesn't happen. He's like not a dreamer. I'm not loving the idea of like, you wouldn't know some two people were in the room with you until you got shot in the shoulder.
01:20:26
Right. But I guess you can run down all harried because you heard a gunshot. But yeah, maybe be panicking.
01:20:30
I don't know, though. But why would they shoot you? Like, you're not even paying attention.
01:20:35
Yeah, and why don't they just run for it? Totally. I don't know. Or kill you. Very true.
01:20:39
Please don't. Everybody needs to stop spreading rumors about the mob. They're innocent.
01:20:45
This is a mountain Karen is willing to die on. I've for years said I don't like mob stories, and now I'm suddenly very sensitive about how they're constantly scapegoated.
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Email us at myfavoritemurder at gmail.com. Especially if you're in the Capano crime family.
01:21:05
That's right. Attention, Karen Kilgariff. Okay. So Glanz feels that Anderson's guilty, but he has a meeting with him one-on-one, and he actually likes the guy.
01:21:15
And Glanz eventually becomes a confidant of Anderson's. So Anderson must be really charming because he, like, Glanz thinks he did it, but he still likes it.
01:21:23
But he's like, he's kind of cool. Yeah. He listens to great music. That's right.
01:21:27
Two weeks after the murder, Sheriff Wayman makes a big announcement. He knows who's responsible.
01:21:33
And he says charges will be filed soon. So when Anderson finds out what Wayman says, he calls Glanz and he's like, can we meet?
01:21:41
I'm fucking worried about this. I feel like it's going to be me. So they meet in Glanz's car where Glanz has set up this fucking elaborate, especially for the 1970s, recording thing that Unsolved Magazine describes as a state-of-the-art reel-to-reel tape recorder hidden in the trunk of his car and a microphone embedded in the dome light.
01:22:00
this guy's a fucking private dick like old school yeah real to real real to real why that had to be
01:22:08
so loud though like in the trunk it's all making screeching noises yeah he's like oh my brakes
01:22:13
oh that's not a quiet machine that's yeah that this guy is like the original private eye yeah
01:22:20
he's uh what's his face who's so awesome colombo yes he was yeah oh god he's hot okay
01:22:26
what colombo i know i don't know what i meant by that i think we're are you thinking my camera
01:22:30
is that stacy keach i don't know what you're talking about kojic mpi i don't know there's something about colombo that just like makes me feel safe
01:22:43
and i think that that is a turn on for me absolutely um he is very friendly yeah and
01:22:49
he would always just show up your house and only have a couple questions yeah he just would have
01:22:53
one more question. Oh, one more question. I bet he'd just be like a fun dinner date.
01:22:57
Absolutely. Like there'd never be boring conversation with him. I'd never have to
01:23:00
feel like I need to fill a conversation with Columbo. Also, Columbo is so charming because
01:23:04
he's always making really intense eye contact with you. Even though he only has one eye.
01:23:09
Well, he and he like uses it. He hangs a lantern on it. You know what I mean? He doesn't try to.
01:23:14
Yeah. Yeah. He's he's it almost makes him more intensely uh connected yes he wants to be connected he's very interested he'll ask you a bunch of questions
01:23:26
okay let's picture glanz as colombo from here from here on now sounds good i'm down okay um
01:23:30
reel to reel microphone embedded in the dome light insane genius the microphone that was
01:23:35
embedded in the dome light was three feet long you just put your hands up and it made me laugh
01:23:40
he's like what's that oh it's just a dome light yeah don't worry about it so glanz tells anderson
01:23:46
that he doesn't believe. He like I don fucking believe your story I like you Don believe you I think you lying He tries to offer sympathy telling him that he thinks Anderson killed East Sea in self because again he was a fighter when he got drunk Yeah Glenn says he could tell by the blood spatter found inside the house that Anderson fucking lying And he tells Anderson that police should have come to the same conclusion but they botched the investigation So he totally comes clean on Anderson
01:24:09
And he tells Anderson, quote, they might charge you with a crime, but I don't see how there's any way they can prove it.
01:24:15
He essentially just admitted to me because they fucked up the investigation so much.
01:24:19
That's not going to hold up in court. Right. And so this whole time, Anderson's just sitting there quietly, never confirms or denies what Glanz is saying, probably because he saw the huge microphone on the.
01:24:30
Yeah. Just like tap, tap, tap. I'll say right into here. No, sir. You're not correct.
01:24:36
Right. But he says to Glanz that he might confess on his deathbed, adding, quote, if I get shot through the heart, Gary, come see me quick.
01:24:45
Wow. OK, so then he's. Yeah. So they don't see each other again for 37 years. In the meantime, in December 1971, Linda and the life insurance company settle out of court for eight million dollars.
01:24:58
So the 15 million. She ends up marrying her lawyer. They live happily ever after.
01:25:04
But the $8 million is the largest amount ever paid out in an individual's death, and it makes the Guinness Book of World Records.
01:25:12
Jesus. Yeah. As soon as the settlement made, Glanz is told he's no longer needed to investigate the murder.
01:25:18
So she's basically like, it's settled. That's what more can you do. Yeah. So then the father dies.
01:25:24
So then his daughter Kathleen takes over the ranch until she passes in 1998 at 93 years old.
01:25:31
And then the ranch is taken over by her daughters. So they are able to pay off the debt and figure it out.
01:25:37
Oh, the women get in there. That's right. Turn it all around. That's fucking right.
01:25:40
Ride their fucking planes all over the sky and take care of business. They're just like, no more crazy spending.
01:25:47
Let's close this school down. That's right. You always cut education first in America.
01:25:53
They always cut education first. And no more late night calls to Sears. The Sears stuff stops now.
01:26:00
Then they burn the Sears catalog in the front driveway. Meanwhile, Glanz becomes one of the nation's premier private detectives.
01:26:08
But the whole time, he still thinks about EC's death. And he is positive that Anderson killed EC.
01:26:14
He figures they got into a fight. But how did Anderson get shot in the shoulder?
01:26:18
Did he shoot himself? These questions kind of haunt him or stick in his mind. He keeps up with Anderson's movements and finds out in 1990, Chubb Anderson went on the run after a warrant was issued for his arrest.
01:26:30
after he was caught running a multi-million dollar marijuana operation oh yeah okay that's a
01:26:37
i didn't think you're gonna say that yeah that's fine so you're thinking hippie now right yeah um
01:26:44
he spends some time in mexico and then settles in montana where he works on a bison ranch and
01:26:49
assumes a new name and identity um and meanwhile and he does a thing where like you find someone
01:26:54
who's deceased and you take their name and i done it you know what i mean yeah that's like the
01:26:59
Oh, the identity theft. Yeah. But they're dead. So it's like no one will kind of know.
01:27:03
And I don't know. Still creepy. I don't get identity theft, thankfully. It's not for me.
01:27:08
It's just not my thing. It's just not anything I'm interested in doing. Yeah, like the mob.
01:27:13
I don't care. Meanwhile, the mystery is a huge story in the state. It is like the Who Shot JR thing, essentially, it seems like.
01:27:22
Right. So this is a huge story in the state. and the subject, it's thousands of newspaper articles are written.
01:27:29
This a bestselling book is written by reporter John Quinty. So in June of 2006, Anderson is arrested after he goes to the hospital seeking treatment for a kidney issue.
01:27:41
So they realize who he is. He's faking his name and shit. He serves seven months before he's paroled due to his failing health on that marijuana charge.
01:27:50
In September 2008, Anderson calls glands. They haven't spoken in 37 years. Over the next few months, Anderson confesses what really happened on the night of September 26, 1970.
01:28:01
Shit. That evening, Anderson and E.C. got into a fistfight. Anderson couldn't remember why at that point.
01:28:08
I mean. So they were drinking together. Yeah. Who among us? Okay. I just imagine some really smoky, whiskey, neat.
01:28:17
Right? Yeah. And a lot of it. A lot of it. They're down in the rumpus room. Yeah.
01:28:23
And they haven't eaten. The wife is gone, so they don't know how to cook. They haven't eaten in fucking days.
01:28:27
No, there's no phone. So they're just kind of like making do. Yeah. They can't order a pizza, so they haven't eaten.
01:28:33
No. So at some point, EC pulls out a gun. Anderson takes it away and hits him in the face with it.
01:28:39
And they start to struggle. He says the gun goes off, shooting EC in the forehead, which is like, it's a pretty specific fucking place to accidentally shoot someone.
01:28:48
Yeah. And also that that means it has to turn all the way around and like an arc going all the way back to his head.
01:28:54
Totally. Like if they had been able to do an autopsy, they would have seen if it like.
01:28:58
Yeah. So then Anderson's like had to quickly figure out how to cover up the crime.
01:29:02
So he gets a ranch hand who was waiting outside for Anderson to give him a ride home and he grabs him and he's like, you need to help me cover this up.
01:29:12
For some reason, this guy agrees and they staged the scene to make it look like two assailants were responsible.
01:29:17
Hmm. Anderson fires some shots to the patio door and then this dude shoots him in the shoulder. Can you fucking imagine being like, OK, here's the next step. I need a gunshot.
01:29:28
Yeah. This is going to get so much more involved, complicated, and we're going to roll the dice. I just feel really proud because the second that the report to the police is like two guys in suits.
01:29:41
Yeah. No, no, it did. You called bullshit. No fucking way Because if they were going to be just separate from my mob theory if they were going to send out guys the guys would be dressed like they belonged in the area right why would you be like here it the blues brothers
01:29:59
i wonder what they're doing here a hundred percent also you would have killed both of them
01:30:03
like you would have just killed both of them or you would have made sure that only one person was
01:30:07
in the house so yeah there would have been an exchange of gunfire these are cowboys on a like
01:30:11
cattle ranch or both ec and anderson would have been killed they're not going to just shoot you
01:30:16
in the park and run. They're not going to leave one guy with a bullet in his shoulder. They're going to be like, oh, that
01:30:22
bullet in your shoulder is now going to enable me to put it between your eyes. That's right. So,
01:30:28
Karen, you are correct. Oh, God, it feels so good. To not being the mob? It feels so
01:30:36
good to defend the mob. To be right. To be right. To instinctually know and care. Once again, they were
01:30:44
the fall guys. God, yeah. sick of it if it weren't for you defending the honor of the mob so glans tries to speak with
01:30:54
the guy who helped him to corroborate the story he won't talk he's worried he'll get in trouble
01:30:59
for helping but not knowing that the statute of limitations is to help someone cover up a murder
01:31:04
back then was three years so you got away with it jesus fucking hate eating and abetting yeah
01:31:11
and shooting someone still uh glanz gives police his recordings of anderson confessing and they
01:31:18
are excited at the prospect of finally arresting anderson and putting this like huge story to bed
01:31:24
but then authorities find out that anderson's been moved to a nursing home due to his poor health
01:31:29
and anytime they try to talk to him someone in his close circle fucking drives them away yeah
01:31:34
get out of here you you know and that works on the cops there i guess i guess that's fine
01:31:40
Think about that. You get out of here. It's just some super bitchy nurse. She's like, enough.
01:31:46
I do not put up with this from anyone. I'm in the mob. So officers still fill out a warrant for Anderson's arrest.
01:31:54
However, they never get a chance to serve the warrant because Anderson dies on November 24th, 2010.
01:32:00
And along with him dies the chance for authorities to finally put an end to this 40 year old cold case.
01:32:05
The case remains unsolved to this day, unless officers can prove that his accomplice played a bigger role.
01:32:14
It's unlikely that he or anyone else will ever be arrested for the murder of millionaire Osage County rancher E.C. Mollendore III.
01:32:23
God, that was a thrill ride. Oh, good. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, that was like, man, it was an oldie, but then truly fascinating.
01:32:34
Left turns, right turns. Yes. And because the way you described at the beginning, I thought it was like, it's technically a cold case, but not really.
01:32:43
Right. But it can never be solved. I feel like we need to focus on more stories that have deathbed confessions.
01:32:50
I feel like. Don't you dare. Should challenge me. Should that be the challenge for our next stories?
01:32:57
Deathbed confessions were just like, and then. Why don't you do. Four years later.
01:33:02
Why don't you do deathbed confessions? next episode. Three good ones? No, mine's already picked. I know, mine too. So someday one of us
01:33:12
will do deathbed confessions. You were assigning me one and you had it all broken out. I don't
01:33:18
want to steal your... You're going to pick three and... I'm going to write it up on this chalkboard.
01:33:24
That's my wall! Where'd you get chalk from? That doesn't make any sense. I didn't want to steal
01:33:30
your idea, but it's a great idea. But we both have stories picked out for the next like six
01:33:34
week so i think we'll slip it in there somewhere and surprise each other we can figure it out yeah
01:33:38
for sure yeah because that's a good that's a good one uh another great one thank you you too um
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