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or wherever you like to listen. Goodbye. My Savior Hello and welcome to my favorite murderer, the Amani of Sjord.
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We're going to be dark like this the rest of our lives. It won't be irritating at all.
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You'll love it. This is your reality. Hey, what's up? What's up? You want to go first this time?
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Sure. Okay. We're filming this. If you want to watch it on fan cult, go for it. Oh, yeah.
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We have makeup on. Watching us read and do weird voices is the best part of this podcast.
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That's right. Okay. I'm not going to read you the subject line of this. It gives it away.
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Hello, beautiful people and pets. Let's jump in. When I was 18, I got my first job working in an electronics store as a cashier.
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If you've ever worked retail, you know you have some interesting conversations with customers passing through.
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This was definitely no exception. Any weird conversations come off the top of your head from working retail?
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Well, this isn't retail, but similar. When I worked at a grocery store, like a natural health food store, and I was a checker, which was so much fun.
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There would always be these couple like hippie people, older hippie people who would come in and yell at you not to scan their groceries because they thought the laser from the scanner was poison.
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But they were always, which is fine. Fucking everyone has a thing. But they were so mean.
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They were never nice about it. It was like a weird thing that the few people who did it were always yelled at you beforehand.
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It seemed to be filled with fear. Probably. They could be right. like, please don't radiate. They were not right. Or everybody would get what they thought they were
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going to get like, we've all been scanned. You know what? That's funny because I was like,
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I asked you that question, but I wasn't going to be able to answer it myself. But when I worked at the gap, there was a security guard that worked there before I worked there,
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but somebody else told me the story that they had just gotten those kind of infrared scanners
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to do the price tags. Oh yeah. Like they'd just gotten some new ones and they held the gun
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up and did a like pew pew at this security guard who was probably in his 20s. Yeah. And he burst
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into tears because he thought it was going to make him go blind. Oh, no. And it was this kind
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of like, sorry. That was a very dramatic moment. They're like, just just keep that pointed down.
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People get upset. If you make a security guard cry, that's a special kind of terror. You know,
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it's also a special kind of test that maybe that security guard needs to go into a different line
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of work. Sir, it's going to get worse than this. It's going to get scarier than this.
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Everything gets worse and scarier. That's just the rule of life. As you get older. Okay. So going back into this retail story, I don't remember what the older,
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creepy, bald man was buying as I was ringing him up, but he kept complimenting my auburn hair
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and asked if it was natural. I smiled, said yes, and continued to try to get the transaction over
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with. He then proceeds to educate me on organ donation, how it works and that people are on
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medication for the rest of their lives. So their bodies don't reject their new donated organ.
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I thought it was a weird thing to talk about, but I just smiled and asked if he had a rewards card
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with us. It's a great conversation changer. I was just going to say, you're at a cocktail party.
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Somebody asked you a weird question. You're like, yeah, I'm not sure. Do you have a rewards card
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with us? That's your new get out of a conversation free card is. Yep. Cause they're, they'll just cut their eyes.
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They'll kind of go in circles and you just walk away. Yeah. He then pauses, stares at me with his,
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I live in my mom's basement eyes and says, do you know why I'm telling you about all of this? I say, no.
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He replied because I want your hair, but having to take medication the rest of my life so my body doesn't reject it
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is too much of a hassle. He then paid for whatever he was buying, told me to have a good day, and was on his way.
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I had security walk me to my car for a while after that. Yeah, you fucking did. Good times.
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I want your hair. Anyway, stay sexy and always tell creepy guys your hair color isn't natural.
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Kelly. I want your hair is like the creepiest saying or statement. I want your hair, but I don't want my body to reject it like it's a liver.
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Like I thought this through so hard. This isn't metaphorical. This is literal. This is, I want you to know how much I'm thinking about taking your, basically your scalp.
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Yeah. I thought through the steps of this and it's not worth it, but I think you should fucking
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know. And no, I don't have a rewards card. Yes But I think I should freak the fuck out of you because I a weird pervert that trying to scare you for my own pleasure Thanks for shopping at Radio Shack
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What the fuck? What the fuck? Oh, good. Good, good, good. Life is good. Life is great.
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It's so beautiful. It's really average. It's really average and boring and normal.
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Okay. Mysterious 90s murder photos found in evidence room. Oh. Just starts. Hello. First off, want to thank you for keeping me company as I walk to work
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every weekend as I lose my mind in the throes of my forensic psychology master's degree.
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Hell yeah. This may be long, but it's definitely worth it. On to the story. I used to be an intern
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at my local sheriff's office in the suburbs of Chicago when I was in high school. This person
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is maybe the coolest fucking person. They're doing it. High school before moving to the UK.
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I worked with the crime scene investigator and the evidence custodian, both of which were the loveliest ladies on the planet and made that time incredibly special.
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We were cleaning out the evidence room. Oh, my God. And came across an unlabeled box with random items in it.
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One of the items was a stack of photos that were marked with a date from the mid 1990s on it.
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The photos were taken in a random field and seemed to be capturing the police digging up a human torso.
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So, of course, this is rural Illinois where really nothing like this happens. We could not find the case file to figure out any of the details.
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A few weeks later, I was listening to MFM and one lady at a live show stood up and told a hometown about a hotel called Bohemian in Lily Lake,
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where a trucker went missing and was dismembered before being buried around the area.
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The murderer was the hotel owner and he kept the body parts in the hotel's fridges for the next few weeks before disposing of him.
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Only when the dogs came to sniff the area out was his body found. I was obviously in shock because the details matched the photos perfectly.
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Ooh. I emailed the detective I interned with and she confirmed that the details matched.
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And ironically, her mom was on the jury. What? Me being the delightful person I am, I told my family about this amazing coincidence over Christmas dinner.
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To my great grandma and grandma's dismay, they used to frequent the Bohemian for dinner every week in the 90s and did not know why it had been shut down.
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Sorry for ruining your appetite. Thanks for everything you do. My fiance and I spent the first few months of our relationship in lockdown together and bonded over your podcast.
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I knew he was the one immediately, but his hearty laugh with your jokes sealed the deal.
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Stay sexy and do not ruin Christmas dinner with stories about dismemberment, Caitlin.
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She's staring into the eyes of her great grandmother. Like, guess what? Like that great grandma has seen a lot of shit and you just ruined her Christmas dinner.
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She's been through two wars, likely several wars. But that's an unbelievable coincidence that someone's hometown from a live show basically got them to get all that that whole case together.
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That's amazing. It's also really worrying that like there's an unlabeled evidence.
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I mean, I guess that the guy probably got tried or whatever. And so it's not like it's cold case, but let's get organized, guys.
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Let's get some people in there that love to go to Staples Buy those kind of like those accordion files
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Let's not have it look like my junk drawer in the evidence room Those home edit ladies who come into like famous people's houses
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And make their fucking pantry look amazing Let's do that for police departments It's kind of what they do on Murder Squad for cold cases
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That's true Verbally Okay The subject line of this email is the time I jumped out of a moving vehicle because my dad told me to.
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Hi, all. I love you guys. And I was listening to this week's mini-sode story. And now that you guys are apparently telling stories about near-death vehicle incidents, I have a story to share.
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This happened about 12 years ago. I was 15, and it was the middle of the summer.
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My family was living in a small town in British Columbia, Canada. And it was, thank you for that specification.
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much needed, much appreciated. And it was a hot day, perfect for a float down the river.
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Me, my three sisters and my dad piled into our minivan with our respective flotation devices
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and headed down to the next town over to float the wide, slow moving river that brought people
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from all around the area to lounge in. Now, something to know about my family is that we
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are an unlucky accident prone bunch. My father especially is a forgetful guy on top of the
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unlucky streak. And something he forgets often is to fill up the car with gas. Amen. Hi, me right
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here. I've done it so many times. I've run out of gas before. It's so embarrassing. Okay. I've run
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out of gas trying to get a parking spot in San Francisco. Oh no. Yeah. And I had the AAA guy
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to come and just bring me a can of gas. He's like, fuck you. He's going to get your shit together.
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Okay. This day was no exception. We were only about 10 minutes into our 40 minute journey when
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our dad realized that we were nearly on empty and we weren't going to make it much further.
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He had slowed down a bit and you could see that a gas station was coming up in the distance.
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Thinking on his feet, my dad said to me and my older sister, girls, we aren't going that fast.
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So jump out onto the grass so you can. Sorry. This literally hit me the first time I read it.
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How insane it is. Girls, we aren't going that fast. So jump out onto the grass so you can help me push the car to the gas station Oh girls Girls Now being a very trusting 15 who at this point in life still believed that my dad knew everything and wouldn ask me to do anything remotely dangerous
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I enthusiastically agreed and we opened the sliding door of the van. My older sister was the first to jump, landing pretty gracefully on a patch of grass.
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I was next, but due to going second, I managed to miss the grass completely and fell legs first onto the cement.
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and loose gravel of the road, barrel rolling down the road a few meters. Can you imagine the person behind them?
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Suddenly two fucking teenagers out of a van plunge themselves out. Clearly in peril.
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Clearly they can't stay in that van anymore because it's a life or death emergency.
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Holy shit. Okay. Okay. This is so hilarious. I don't remember it all too well at this point in my life, but I remember my dad suddenly
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stopping the car and hearing my younger sisters in the backseat of the van wailing as they all
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thought I'd been run over. My dad ran over to me to find me miraculously not run over,
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but very banged up and covered in a road rash. After gathering me up, we managed to roll the van
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to the gas station where my dad bought a package of band-aids and a Coke to say sorry for his
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misguided direction and nearly killing me. It turns out we were still going around 30 to 40 miles an
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hour. No, that's fast. That is very fast. Which if you are wondering is too fast to jump out of a
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moving vehicle. Now you might be wondering, did this stop the trip and did you still go float down
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the river? Why? Yes. Curious reader. We did continue on our journey. The cold river felt
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really good on my wounds and we had a great time regardless. You can't ruin the trip for everyone
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just because no no if there's three sisters or four sisters yeah multiple sisters yeah you're
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you're out loaded you're still going to that river thank god it's not salt water my dad did
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have some explaining to do however when we got home and my mom saw the state of my legs that
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were almost completely raw from road rash and bruising i lived for a couple of weeks and had
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hideous legs for the rest of the summer. 12 years later, I still have scars. LOL.
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Oh my God. Right. My dad feels awful about this. And because of it, I like to remind him every now and then
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how he asked me to jump out of a moving car once to which he winces and asks me not to remind him.
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Stay sexy. You don't gotta fucking make that request, dude. No, you really don't. Sorry.
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Stay sexy and maybe take a second to question your father's advice every once in a while,
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and maybe just don't jump out of moving cars. Becca, P.S. Please come to Canada on tour
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if we ever get out of this hellhole of a pandemic. We'll do our best. Yeah, we will.
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Oh my God. That is so funny. Yeah. I need more bad advice from parents that you trusted
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and then never trusted again, please. Yes. When was, what event can made you realize
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your parents were just regular people and not all knowing, like all controlling masterminds of the universe.
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Yeah. Like didn't know everything. Oh my God. Going 30 to 40 miles an hour. It's not like they're still moving and he's just trying to keep it going.
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Keep it rolling. 10 miles an hour or under. Maybe that's acceptable. But wait till you're slowing down enough so that you think you might not get to the gas station.
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It's almost like he wanted to get weight out of the car. So it would actually make it to the gas station.
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But he told them it's because he needed to push them. But the car was moving fine.
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It's almost like he was just trying to get a bunch of things done at once. And he was just like, here's one of the things.
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The timing doesn't really matter. And it's like, no, the timing of this part was actually crucial.
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Do everything at once. Oh, my God. It's so funny. It's good. Okay. All right. This one's badass.
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Great grandmother story. I didn't do that on purpose, but here we are. Nice. My great grandmother, Sally, it's S-A-L-I, but then she tells me it's pronounced Sally,
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was an OG badass. She ran her own catalog business in Germany in the 1920s and 30s and
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raised two kids while her husband was hiding in Switzerland. Eventually, she escaped the Nazis by
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posing as a nun and made her way with the entire family to the United States. Unbelievable. Wow. I just read an amazing book. It's a novel called The Nightingale,
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but it's basically about occupied France. And it's like, holy shit, what people had to do.
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Oh, so frightening. It's amazing. So frightening. But the main story I want to tell you took place in September 1970, a lawless time when planes were hijacked on the reg.
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My great grandma was on a flight from Zurich to New York when it was hijacked by members of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine.
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Their plane, along with two other hijacked planes, were rerouted and landed in the Jordanian desert.
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After one night in the desert, the hostages were transported by the hijackers to a hotel in the capital where they were kept for several more days.
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As family legend has it, my great grandma would not take shit from the hijackers.
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She constantly complained about the cold and the sand and that the food tasted bad and that her hotel room wasn't nice enough.
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Apparently, the hijackers couldn't handle her bitching and let her go in one of the first rounds of hostage releases.
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What a great, what a great tip. Totally be fucking annoying. And they want to get rid of you.
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Slightly risky, but maybe those squeaky wheels. Right. In the end, after days of international diplomatic talks, all of the 300 hostages were freed.
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And the only death was one hijacker. I'm so proud to be named after my great grandmother, a true survivor and badass who knew the power of a loud voice and a bad attitude.
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Stay sexy and don stop kvetching Hannah don stop kvetching I love it Never stop kvetching That amazing Okay
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I'm Bailey Taylor, and this is It Girl. This podcast is all about going deeper with the women shaping culture right now.
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Yes, we will talk about the style and the success, but we are also talking about the
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pressure, the expectations, and the real work behind it all. As a woman in the industry, you're always underestimated.
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So you have to work extra hard in a way that doesn't compromise who you are and your integrity.
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You know, I like to say I was kind of like a silent ninja. Listen to It Girl with Bailey Taylor on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Before NXIVM, Nancy Solzman wanted to help people. Being able to help somebody, it's probably the biggest motivator of my entire life.
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She trained in something called neurolinguistic programming. People loved our training.
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Then, everything changed. Yeah, and they called it a cult. How does a method designed to improve lives end up in a cult?
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A knife in the hands of a surgeon is an amazing tool. A knife in the hands of a murderer is a weapon.
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Listen to Mind Games on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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I'm Nancy Glass, host of the Burden of Guilt Season 2 podcast. This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families.
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Late one night, Bobby Gumpwright became the victim of a random crime. The perpetrator was sentenced to 99 years until a confession changed everything.
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I was a monster. Listen to Burden of Guilt Season 2 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Subject line is Hometown fucking hooray mashup Here we go yo In August The Caldor fire started between
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Pollock Pines and Lake Tahoe in California Before it was 100% Contained it burned
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Over 221,000 Acres My entire family has lived in South Lake Tahoe Since before I was born
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43 years ago With very short notice my sister and her husband Were the first of the family put
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under mandatory evacuation. Two days later, my brother and sister-in-law, my mom and myself were
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evacuated. And then in parentheses, it says we all live on the same street. Well, that's kind of
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awesome. My boyfriend and I packed up my mom and all of our beasts and headed to a hotel just outside
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of the evacuation area. Nobody in the history of anybody has ever thought, you know, what would be
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fucking awesome? Locking myself up in a tiny hotel room with my mom and my boyfriend and two dogs and
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three cats for a motherfucking week. Good times. But I digress. When we were allowed back home,
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our town was covered in homemade banners, thanking the firefighters for saving our town.
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Oh, you're crying. And that got me. Everyone was honking and waving to each other. And it was
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impossible not to cry and feel so much love for our community. The following week, I started
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radiation for the cancer on my vocal cords. I went alone to my first treatment and I was a little
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scared. That is until one of the radiation technicians came out to get me. I stood up when
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she called my name and she smiled when she saw my t-shirt and said, Oh, you're a murderino. I knew I
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was in good hands then and there. So big shout out to the fire crews who saved my hometown from
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burning down and to the amazing staff at the Tahoe Forest Cancer Center for treating me like a friend
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and not just another patient. And to my now fiance, who proposed the day we were allowed back home.
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Oh my God, I just love this email. So much great shit's going on here. Sidebar, my fiance knows nothing about podcasts.
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In fact, he calls them broadcasts. Bless his heart. I love it. Broadcasts. He does, however, know how much I love MFM
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and the t-shirt I was wearing to treatment that day was a birthday gift from him.
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Stay sexy and be fire ready And fucking fuck cancer Onawa she her Oh my god that was beautiful
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Isn't that a good one Yeah that's a lot That's a lot of good stuff in there Thank you Onawa
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Oh I have one more Hell yeah girl Wrap it up Okay this one's called Near death experience slash meet cute
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Question mark And there's some bummers in this but I swear it turns out positive. Love you all in the pod. Here's my story. I was in an abusive
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relationship through my first few years of college that I really felt I had no way out of,
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and it isolated me from the people in my program. I promise this is not a sad story.
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I heard about an opportunity to study abroad in Vienna at the summer of 2019. These opportunities
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came up all the time, but for some reason, this one really stuck with me and I knew I had to go.
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I was a ceramic student and I was firing the last kiln of the year before finals.
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I was partnered with this guy, I'll call him John, who I had classes with but never spoken to.
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Because he was cute, my then boyfriend was jealous of him and I didn't want to exacerbate any of his abusive tendencies.
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Again, this story has a happy ending. I was very shy and timid, but John was making polite conversation as we loaded the kiln and asked me what I was doing that summer.
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I told him I was going to Austria on a study abroad trip, and he said he wanted to go too.
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I let him know that I'd been planning this for a year, but he should try to email our mutual
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professor to see if he could join the program. To my surprise, there he was at the airport the day
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we were leaving for Europe. I didn't know anyone else in the program, so we connected on the way
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there on the various layovers. I shared an apartment with six other girls in the program,
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so I got pretty close with them and John, whose apartment was a few blocks away.
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A classroom was in the next building from my apartment. So John would come over every morning
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before class with espresso and a pastry for me. He and I were both pretty big partiers,
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so we were always the most hungover and would wallow in self-pity and coffee together as we
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walked around the city with our class. The alcohol in Vienna was very cheap and very smooth and could
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be bought at the Aldi on the street level of my apartment building. This perk really turned on me
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one afternoon. After class, John and I somehow ended up splitting a bottle of what we assumed to
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be vodka called corn with a K. Neither of us ever really figured out the German liquor labels.
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My roommates joined us eventually and we were talking and laughing, but this is the last thing
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I remember. In the midst of a blackout, I sat on the sill of the open window in my shared apartment's
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tiny fourth floor European Ikea kitchen. There was no screen or preventative measure on the window
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to keep the inhabitants from falling out the window of the fourth floor apartment.
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I came out of my blackout very suddenly with pain in the back of my knees, the sound of distant screaming and nothing but cold Vienna air underneath me.
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I quickly realized that I had slid out of the window, and the only thing keeping me from falling four stories in a foreign country onto my head
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was the strength of my knee pits. John grabbed me by the ankles and yanked me back into the kitchen
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with so much force that I hit the refrigerator on the other side of the room. I began to laugh in pain and drunken fear, which I quickly realized was not the vibe.
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The other six people jammed into this tiny kitchen had looks of horror on their face.
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You're laughing so hard right now. It's just so much. It's a lot. It's the most intense email, maybe.
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Intense, yes. I found out later that I'd thrown my head back laughing and lost my balance.
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And the group thought I for sure had fallen to my grisly death. Then it goes. Anyway, John ended up being the love of my life.
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I broke up with my abusive boyfriend over the phone while still overseas and moved out of our apartment when I got back.
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Yes. Three years after this trip, John and I are still together coming up on the second anniversary of me moving in with him.
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He's unfortunately saved my life several more times. On the same trip he pulled me out of the way from being hit by a box truck that I had drunkenly walked in front of and will probably continue to save me from myself for the rest of my life These stories make me sound like I have a problem but I was in
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college. And actually, after listening to you both for the last six years, I realized that drinking
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seven days a week was not nearly as cute as I thought it was. I did sober October this year
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for the first time with John and a few of our friends, something I never thought I would be
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able to do. Now I barely drink maybe one night a week and I haven't blacked out in several years.
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Then it says a bigger accomplishment than it probably should be. Hey man, we all have our
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struggle. I mean, look, I've, I've been at that place where it's like, oh yeah, I've stayed in,
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I've stayed in reality for a consistent amount of time. It's a victory. It's a true victory.
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Any little victory. Y'all have been my ear through some of the worst times of my life,
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making me laugh through it all. You've changed my life in more ways than you could ever know.
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Stay sexy and don't sit on the fourth story windowsill in the blackout or do because you
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might find the love of your life and everything bad might change for the good. And she, her.
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Oh, I love it. Also, the other reason I was laughing so hard is because I, there was a party that we had once in my friend, Dave loves to bring it up
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at my boyfriend at the time, Dave Anthony, a co-host of The Dollop. If you listen to The
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Dollop, it's a great podcast. It was his, his apartment with our, and he was roommates with
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our other friends. They were having a party. So we were all up on the roof, but you know,
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those San Francisco roof parties, you're literally on a roof with no barrier. So you could
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ostensibly just walk off the roof and fall off. Yes. And I was so, I was the girl that was so
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drunk at the party that everyone was convinced I was going to fall off the roof.
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And they were, every time I would go at like within five feet, they'd be like, Garrett,
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Garrett. It just reminds me of the same thing where you inside your little drunken kind of half
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blind world. Take it easy. But then she actually almost fell out the window. She was holding it by.
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It's like when you're, when like in caper movies, when they're trying to hide from the
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villain and they just like hang by their fingers from outside the window. She was doing that with her fucking knee pits.
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And so, in a way, there are times when she has saved herself. That's right. And that's a beautiful thing.
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What an intense story. Send us your stories, please. We fucking love them They gems all of them So many great emails Thank you all And yeah try to save yourself by your knees and stay sexy
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And don't get murdered. Goodbye. Elvis, do you want a cookie? She was a coarse girl, a bathing beauty.
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That's all well and good, but that would not have been my choice as one to marry.
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