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Hello. Welcome. To My Favorite Murder. That's Georgia Hardstar. Thanks. That's Karen Kilgariff.
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You're welcome. And here we are. Another week. Another to spend together. Another season.
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Deep into autumn. What's that mug you're drinking from? Oh, this is just a mug Brandy Posey got me that says 12 foot skeleton fan club on it.
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It's a picture of a skeleton. She gave that to me for Christmas. That's so good.
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The handle is broken, so I can't hold it from the middle. I have to hold it kind of weird from the bottom.
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It looks like a newfangled way that you invented to hold a mug, which I'm impressed with.
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Oh, you know, I spent that semester in Ireland. We all held our mugs like this. You spent that semester of college of mug holding class.
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Yes. First, I did pottery. Then I held the mug I made. I would like to actually start with an argument to say this.
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Yeah. I watched season three of Dairy Girls. Have you started it? Like a new season?
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There's a new season of Dairy Girls. I did not realize. It's a brand new season.
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And spoiler alert, if you need it to be fresh for you, I'm just going to talk about one thing that happens in the first episode.
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But the great Irish actor Liam Neeson plays a cop in the first episode. No. No. And he calls it Londonderry.
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Okay. Well, yeah. It came out of his mouth and I went, they're going to get so mad at him.
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I was like, and then I went, wait a second. He fucking said it? It depends on what side of the skirmish you're on.
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Oh, he was a Protestant cop. Right. So they are like, it's London. It's part of Londonderry.
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And they're like, no, it's dairy. It's fucking just dairy. Okay. So that's why I think that's,
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but I didn't know there was a new season. I just kept seeing that it was like top picks of Netflix.
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And I was like, that's great. I'm so glad. Just thinking it was season one and two,
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which were like the most comforting, beautiful episodes of television I've ever seen in my life.
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There's more waiting for you. Yep. I didn't know. So you guys, Derry Girls, if you haven't heard us talk about it forever,
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there's three seasons now. I'm so excited. I have been so freaking bored with television lately.
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Like there's just really nothing right now. You know what I mean? I mean, here's what happens to me when I go through,
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usually it's on Prime. And I go into each of the like separate channels that I watch.
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They're like on BritBox. Yeah. Suggested for you. Seen it. And I literally will say it out loud.
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Seen it, seen it, seen it, seen it, seen it, seen it, seen it. Where it's like, you can't stay home for three years.
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No, exactly. And not watch every possible thing that you would like. That's exactly what it is.
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That's exactly what it is. I've been trying. There's new cold case files. Usually that brings me so much joy.
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Yeah. It's not. I'm missing something in my life right now, television-wise. Could it be that the key to watching cold case files
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is you need to be in a hotel in a different city? That could be it. Kind of like exhausted and, you know,
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eating mac and cheese at 1 a.m. and watching cold case files. Those are all my favorite things in the whole world.
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So that could possibly be it for sure. It's just not the same not being in a hotel room.
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You're right. I have been reading a lot though instead, but that's boring too. God, I feel like, you know when people say like,
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if you're boring, it means you're bored. No, no, no. If you're bored, that means you're boring.
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Right. That's what I meant. I hate that saying because I'm bored so often. I used that saying to do drugs for a long time in my 20s.
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And I just want to say being boring isn't actually that boring. It's actually kind of good for you.
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Being boring Yeah Okay In what way Because you can just kind of like chill out and not be so For me the energy I put into trying not to be boring
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like whether it would be needing to talk loudly in public places or be with a certain crowd or be doing fucking stand-up comedy.
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I've been in a real, I've been in a real how the hell did I do stand-up comedy for 20 years place.
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Really? The effort and the kind of like nonstop guts that it took. Yeah. Is such a clear trauma coping mechanism.
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Yeah. You don't even have to explain that to me. I kind of just like, as you say it, I'm like, oh yeah.
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Well, yeah. And we know a lot of comedians and like most of them have some trauma that makes sense.
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It's not like it's like, no, you're the only one. Everyone else is fine. No, no, that's, I mean, I think I found my people when I started doing it where I was
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like, oh, good. Yeah. I'm not the weird one anymore. I'm absolutely like, this is just how it is with these people.
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You're one of the normal ones now. They made me look good, a lot of them. Anyhow, we weren't, what are you reading?
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I read a really good book called The Making of Us by Lisa Jewell. And it's basically like one of those stories of like a sperm donor and like the four siblings
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who find each other as adults that were children of the sperm donor. But there's like a mystery and there's some murder going on in it.
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And it's like, or possible murder. I don't want to spoil it. But it was really, it's good.
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It's like a mystery, but not too heavy. You know what I mean? Like a lighthearted, a light mystery.
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Yes. So it's not like dragging me down in any way. It's just kind of compelling and fun and interesting to see what happens.
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Compelling. Why don't I use that word more often in my life? That's a great, that's exactly the word.
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Word of the week. Look for what's compelling in your life. Oh, I like that. If you're not compelled, you're not compelling.
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That's the new thing. Oh, wait, should we just really quickly talk about the fucking midterms and how all of America
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stood up and said, we're fucking sick of you taking away women's rights and being
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crazy fucking Nazis and attacking trans people and go home. Yes, guys. As a nation.
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We're so proud of us. Way to go. Gen Z. Gen Z came out and came up and you guys listened.
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So thank you so much for doing what needed to be done. You have to keep doing it.
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Yeah. Just by the by. Yeah, sorry. As a Gen Xer who never, like, didn't even understand why politics existed until I was in my 30s.
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Right. You guys are in it for the long haul now. Well, it was made that way back then
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for you not to participate. They didn't want you to participate. It wasn't like you were lazy or you were like,
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you know, it's like, it wasn't until like Rock the Vote in the late 90s that anyone fucking gave a shit
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because they didn't want 21-year-olds voting. They still don't. They still fucking don't.
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And that's why. And the midterms are why. Right, exactly. It's so important. If Twitter goes down, Gen Z,
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well, they're all on TikTok, so it doesn't matter. But Gen Z has to know. How's TikTok for you, by the way?
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Oh, it's just a blessing every goddamn day. You buy anything good lately? I need to know.
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I already bought like three things that you were like, I found this on TikTok. And I was like, what is it?
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And I just looked it up and bought it. I'm just getting the reciprocal like bonuses.
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The thing of it is, it knows you better than any relationship you've ever had. Where they're just like,
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Karen, don't you think you need a new foundation? It's like, well, I did just buy one four days ago.
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It's like, yeah, but don't you need this one that's moisturizing? and for older skin.
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Look at all these skins that look good on it. You should try it too. Look at this 20-year-old who's wearing 50-year-old makeup
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and it looks good on her to look good on you. Perfect. 50-year-old makeup. Wait, let me really quick just,
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because my sister and Audrey and I have a real good thread going back and forth constantly of TikToks.
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Okay. So it's everything from really beautiful, like therapists giving you top five ways
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to deal with anxiety or whatever. Through to like drunk girls falling down so wonderfully.
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Just so like a Broadway show, but a drunk girl falling down. There's just like so much good shit in there.
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I want to see those ones. Little kids lip syncing. Yeah. Little kids saying the F word.
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Oh, I can't get enough of the little kids saying fuck. Like that, oh. And they don't kind of know what they're saying.
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Right. And their parents are like, what did you say? Because they're trying to make like a cute video
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and instead it's a foul video. I love those. There's a lot of people that are talking to their grandparents
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or talking to their grandmas. This one, Dan LaMorte, his grandma has a top 10 magnetic,
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top 10, it says family. And then it has one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10 on either side.
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And it's all her grandchildren, her 10 grandchildren. And she rates them. she's ranking her grandchildren and then he's standing there and he goes i'm number four
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but let's see what happens now and he goes grandma did you see my new tattoo and she goes
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and then grabs him off the floor and puts him to it's so funny there's just and it's very wholesome
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yeah yeah yeah that's very wholesome i like that i'm so oh one girl um jolie underscore ari
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did a video of her mom holding a class at the local library teaching people how to grow basil.
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And it is the most, it's like, if you want wholesome, it's the most wholesome thing you've ever seen.
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Like, there's just a bunch of stuff like that you'd never get to see otherwise. Okay.
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It's really funny. All right. I gotta go back. Cause I was like I was a little overwhelmed with like suddenly all mine were dances And it just was like it like not conducive to like a good night sleep just to watch choreographed dancing for fucking six hours straight before you go to bed
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You know? No, unless the dancers are like 10 gigantic construction workers wearing their like reflective vests
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and doing that Beyonce dance. Oh, I saw it. I saw that one. Yeah. There's a lot of those ones I love.
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All right, I'll do that one. Okay. Once you're in there, you have to say not interested
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to the ones you don't want to see as much. Oh, I didn't do that. And then you have to heart the ones that you like
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and then it'll get you on the right algorithm. I didn't know that. Look at me being an old lady, not knowing how to...
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Could I explain that more grandma-like? I was literally doing gestures above my head.
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You touch the heart. Touch the heart. Uh, all right. Also, there's a girl that does a like three minute time-lapse,
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how her getting good at roller skating and it starts where she's terrible and it ends with her doing like full front flips.
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at the like skate park. Oh my God. I like time laps. Yeah. Okay. There's good stuff in there.
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Okay, I'll do it. Fine. Okay. Okay, fine. Fine. Fine. What else you got? Anything?
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Oh, Maren, our researcher, Maren, very shamefully pointed out, she's an amazing researcher,
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does a great job. When she did the research, she misused the word lifeboat and she meant seats on the lifeboat.
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So we were talking about the Titanic having like 1,500 lifeboats. Oh. But it had 1,500 seats on the lifeboats that they had.
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Okay. The numbers were kind of screwed up. And I think there were some historians that were pretty upset about it.
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Really? Mm-hmm. That was just a mistake. Okay. No big deal. Miswording. It's not a big deal.
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It's like, if you listen to the episode where I talk about the guy that survived the Titanic
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and you go like, God, that's a lot of boats. You got to know I'm wrong. Yeah. Well, part of the Titanic was that there were not enough lifeboats.
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So for you to then have a number that's like out of control doesn't, wouldn't make sense.
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And you'd go, oh, she must have misspoke or something like that. It's not a big deal.
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You have to really look at it like if your friend was forced to give a speech in front
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of the high school, but we do this for a living. Right. Every week. That's all. That's all.
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Don't come here. Are you coming here to fact check your newspaper article? Go away.
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Bad idea. That's just a straight up bad idea. All right. Should we do some exactly right highlights?
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Yeah, let's do it. Oh, well. Hi. This week, Curt and Scotty had a little guest on Bananas
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We absolutely did. We had a lot of fun. I love those banana boys. The Bananas boys.
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What if she gets to do the exact same thing for Christmas this year? I'd love it because then I don't have to use this janky one that I glued.
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All right. Today, Karen, sit back, as I said, because I'm going to tell you about how one of the largest Vegas heists in history
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made a 21-year-old one of the most wanted women in America. Oh, shit. This is the story of Heather Tallchief.
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Wow. Okay. Love a heist. Love a heist. The sources used in today's episodes are a Dateline article
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and an interview by Keith, our friend, Keith Morrison, friend of the show, Keith Morrison.
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Friend of the show. A 2021 Netflix documentary called Heist, a crime reads article by Jonathan Lee,
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two Newsweek articles by Molly Mitchell, and all that's interesting article by Marco Moragatov
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and an Esquire magazine article by Lauren Crank and other sources that are listed in the show notes.
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Okay, here we are. Let's start on October 1st, 1993. We're in Las Vegas, Nevada.
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Yeah. Does it bring you visceral memories or no? I mean, just the 90s were rough.
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They were. We've said it a thousand times. This is a rough era. Well, imagine Vegas in 93.
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Like it was kind of a pit at the time. It wasn't what it is today where it's like Bellagio
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and these beautiful fancy ass wind hotel. Like it's not nice in 93. A lot of cigarette smoking.
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I think they handed out free cigarettes at the door of every casino. I'm not wrong.
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I feel like it wasn't in its heyday. It was like what Times Square was in New York, you know?
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Yeah. It wasn't a family friendly place at the time. No, they did have the Luxor.
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Oh, that was fantastic. Fancy, for sure. That was a true pyramid. Also, don't tell my dad that it wasn't a family-friendly place
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because guess where he would take us when he had us for the summer to Las Vegas for some reason?
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For how long? Like a weekend, whatever. We'd stay at Circus Circus. We'd play video games while he would gamble.
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Just run loose. I mean, come on, can you imagine? Hey, Marty, do your thing. Marty's got to do what Marty's got to do.
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Marty, okay. Okay. Kids, you love the desert and you love air conditioning. That's right. And gambling and cigarette smoke. Let's do this.
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Let's do this. On October 1st, 1993 in Las Vegas, Nevada, 21-year-old Heather Tallchief is clocking in
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for work as a Loomis armored van driver. And so it's one of those armored vans that are all like
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official. There's armed personnel, super high security. They're the people who go around
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distributing cash to the various ATMs, banks, and stores around Las Vegas. So we're talking a lot of
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money being exchanged. It's a heist movie starting. The Loomis vans are what you see at the beginning.
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Any kind of armored car. It's an armored car. We're there. Exactly. Yeah. Again, this 21-year-old
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Heather is the driver, meaning she doesn't handle the money directly or even get out of the van.
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She just kind of pulls up to where the two people in the back jump out and they're the ones who
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handle the money. But she's manning a vehicle that day that's carrying millions of dollars.
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On this particular morning, she's hauling $4.6 million. A 21-year-old should not be near $4.6
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million. But I bet that happened all the time in Vegas because that's all they do. Totally.
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Because that's all... They're just taking your money hand over fist and putting it in the bank.
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That's right. So Heather is not exactly the most experienced driver, and she doesn't even know
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Las Vegas that well. She'd just moved to the city. She's only had her driver's license for a few
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months. Her partners that are in the back, like admit on this documentary that she's a bad driver
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and almost hit one of them before. Oh, Jesus. On paper, she's not the most obvious candidate for a
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high risk job that involves transporting millions of dollars around a pedestrian filled US city.
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But she has a certain energy about her. She's described as hardworking, empathetic. She's kind.
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She is so fucking beautiful too. Like that's another thing is she's very charming
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and very beautiful. And she shows a real interest in her coworkers' lives and wellbeing.
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She's just, everyone loves her. Sounds like a plant. Yes, gorgeous. Yes, gorgeous.
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A gorgeous 21 year old plant. Well, because who better to go in and be like, I think I should do this job.
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Yeah, I can barely drive. Yeah, and they're like, okay, sounds good. Yeah, she knew what she was doing.
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Yeah. She's also interested in learning the ins and outs of the security industry.
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She's really good with a firearm, which is important for the job. She passed the test with flying colors.
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And because of all these things, and despite having only been employed with Loomis for around six weeks,
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she's already being promoted to doing higher risk ATM cash runs. So there are levels of cash runs and she's already been promoted, as I just said, in different words.
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In a different order. Say it one more time, just so we get it. A different order of words every time, but the same words.
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Just backwards and forwards. So these higher risk runs are carried out by a three-person team.
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And rounding out Heather's group are her colleagues, Scott Stewart and Steve Marshall,
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who are the guys that actually handle the money. So when Heather starts the engine and takes up on her route,
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Scott and Steve are sitting in the back of the armored van. They're surrounded by these heavy bags of cash
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and they're ready to hop out and reload the ATMs in various casinos. So they're like the action guys.
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She's like the getaway driver, but it's not like, but not get away because it's actually her job.
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Right. She shouldn't be getting anywhere. She's not getting anywhere. She shouldn't be.
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And their first stop is our favorite casino, Circus Circus. That's right, baby. Do not do drugs inside Circus Circus.
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May I just say. Oh, that sounds like great advice. I don't know if it's true or not,
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but I'm not testing it and I believe you. I'm just saying of all the places you could be,
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you're not going to want to go. to be inside Circus Circus when those mushrooms hit.
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Oh my God. I haven't been in there since I was a child, honestly. I can't imagine.
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It's a bit heavy. Well, oh, you can actually just watch, if you want to know what it's similar to,
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you can just watch Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. Oh, sure. Yeah. They go there and they're on drugs.
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There you go. So they get to Circus Circus as they've done countless times before.
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Heather drops Scott and Steve off at the casino's basement entrance. And so the guys get out with around $1 million in cash, these big bags of locked cash bags.
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They go to various ATMs throughout the casino. And it's one of their biggest casinos that they have to go to, money-wise, because there's a ton of ATMs.
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So the run takes the longest amount of time, which is about 20 minutes. And so they are supposed to meet Heather.
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She's supposed to pick them up at a different entrance because they have to go all the way through the casino
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to drop off the cash at each ATM. So as expected at around 8.20 a.m., Scott and Steve are finished reloading the ATMs.
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They exit the casino, still carrying their Loomis bags, and they head towards the pickup spot,
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but the van isn't there. Uh-oh. At first, the men assume, oh, this dumb 21-year-old,
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she must have gone the wrong way and she forgot where was she supposed to pick us up.
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So they walk all the way back through the casino to where she had dropped them off.
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She's not there either. And they're just standing there with these bags of cash now,
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kind of like targets, you know? And so since she's not there, they tried to radio her.
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There's no answer. They think that maybe she had been a target because maybe she had been kidnapped.
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Or maybe she got in a traffic accident. Maybe she got lost because she's new to the city.
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They weren't thinking something nefarious had happened. And she still has $3 million in the van. So they're like, maybe she got kidnapped.
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Oh, yeah. They call Loomis and tell them that Heather is MIA. And not long after, authorities are
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alerted to the missing driver and the cash. And this kicks off the decade-long drama-filled
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search for Heather Tallchief. A decade-long? Mm-hmm. Oh, Jesus. That's right. So let me tell you a little about Heather Tallchief.
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She is of Seneca heritage on her father's side and Italian-American heritage on her mother's side.
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She's born in Buffalo, New York in January 1972. Her parents are just high schoolers who like to party when she is born.
00:26:36
They have a shotgun wedding. And in Heather's early years, her parents are unable to provide her with a safe, stable home.
00:26:43
She grows up in a house where strangers are in and out partying, openly consuming hard drugs and alcohol.
00:26:50
you know, her parents are coming and going. Parties get so rowdy that cops have to stop by
00:26:55
often to break them up. So it's not a good childhood home for her. That's not for babies.
00:27:00
No. When she's a toddler, her mom leaves Buffalo and moves to San Francisco and puts Heather in
00:27:05
sole custody of her father, who's struggling with his addiction and not always able to
00:27:10
take care of her. He remarries a woman that Heather herself describes as emotionally and
00:27:17
verbally abusive, saying that, quote, it was very, very clear how much she hated me.
00:27:22
She manages to get through her childhood. And when she's 17 years old, she decides to leave home,
00:27:27
heads to San Francisco, hoping she can reconnect with her mother, but finds that her mom is in a
00:27:32
really rough spot and she's not able to establish that relationship at all. And it's incredibly hard
00:27:38
for Heather, but she's a very strong young woman and decides to stay in San Francisco. She gets her
00:27:43
GED and then trains as a nursing assistant and spends the next four years working in hospice care.
00:27:51
And so this is the early 90s in San Francisco. So she's working with a lot of young patients
00:27:56
suffering from AIDS. Oh, yeah. That's heavy. And it's really hard for her. By all accounts,
00:28:02
she's an excellent caregiver. One of her co-workers says that she, quote, had this amazing empathy with patients. Even the ones closest to death would be smiling when she
00:28:11
left their bedside. But of course, it takes a huge emotional toll on her every time one of her young
00:28:16
patients dies of AIDS. And so she turns to drugs and pretty quickly her life spirals. Eventually,
00:28:24
the emotional stress is so intense, she's unable to maintain the job and just starts doing drugs
00:28:29
and drinking alcohol to cope. And by early 1993, at just 21 years old, she has no money,
00:28:36
few people to turn to, and feels incredibly hopeless about her future. I know. That is until one night.
00:28:44
Who's going to come into this picture now? Is it going to be a handsome young man?
00:28:48
It's going to be a handsome young sociopath, right? Yeah. Well, he's not that young, actually.
00:28:54
He's a lot older than her. He's 27 years older than her, actually. Sorry, I misled you with the young man thing.
00:29:01
That's all right. She looks like a young Naomi Judd. Oh, my God. So she's like gorgeous.
00:29:07
And this guy looks like Benicio Del Toro. gorgeous in his own way. Yeah. Not young, just now.
00:29:14
So like the most attractive people you've ever seen in your life, essentially. Yeah.
00:29:19
So Heather is in a bar in San Francisco and this handsome man offers to buy her a drink.
00:29:24
Wait, which bar? I could have been there. I know. Literally like 1991 in San Francisco.
00:29:31
93. Was it the deluxe? That was the year before I moved. I could have been there.
00:29:36
They might have just saw you do standup. They were like, God, we saw this girl. She was 14th on this lineup. Amazing. Real deep.
00:29:45
She really got us into wanting a closer relationship. She gave us this vibe of like
00:29:50
needing each other I caused this crime You did This is your fault His name is Roberto Ignacio Solis He from Nicaragua and he this charming romantic man older man He 48 years old and she 21
00:30:08
So of course he's unlike any man she's ever met in her life because of course, right?
00:30:13
Yes. Yeah. The two of them hit it off. He has this intrigue about him. He tells her about his interests,
00:30:18
which include mysticism and self-hypnosis. Yeah, that guy at the bar. You know when you get all hot and bothered
00:30:27
because a guy tells you he's into self-hypnosis? In five, four, three, two. But he's also into like tarot card readings
00:30:37
and like mysticism and also sex magic. Oh. Which is spelled with a CK. CK, yeah.
00:30:45
It's like a certain kind of, yeah. It's the kind of thing that make, I guess the idea behind it is that like sex
00:30:50
has so much energy behind it And it's like taking the energy of sex and using it in your actual life, not just in sex.
00:30:59
That is the most like, I'm 42 years old and I have never experienced this in my life kind of definition.
00:31:07
Basically, it's a way someone can convince you, you have to like, hey, we got to harness all this sex energy so we can go use it to like work out or whatever.
00:31:17
Right. Is that what it is? I mean, it sounds like the 90s version of, would you like to come up and see my erotic etchings
00:31:24
where it's just like, are you cool enough to get into sex magic or are you lame?
00:31:30
Right, exactly. Are you a square or like, do you have an open mind and an open heart 21 year old?
00:31:35
Of course you're 21. Every 21 year old has an open mind and an open heart. Like that's the easiest fucking place to start.
00:31:41
And I think that thing when you're in your 20s and you're kind of like out on your own
00:31:46
and that idea of somebody, basically what this guy said is, I'm super deep. Yeah.
00:31:51
I read tarot cards. I like mysticism. Yeah. I hypnotize myself. Yeah. And let me tell you,
00:31:58
you think you know magic. Well, I know magic that's spelled with a K at the end.
00:32:02
That's right. You have no idea. Like, it's the, basically, the occult version of the boyfriend
00:32:08
that's like, name three of their albums. Yes. And you can't, and you're shamed, and he's like, fine, I'll fuck you anyway.
00:32:14
And then you're in. That's the bond. That's exactly what this, I don't even have to read the next couple paragraphs
00:32:19
because you just explained the bottom. No, I'm totally serious. You just explained it so well.
00:32:23
She later says, quote, when I discovered all these metaphysical concepts, it made me feel like I wasn't floating out in the ether.
00:32:29
So yeah, it was like grounding her. But you know what that actually is? Can I just say?
00:32:34
The floating out in the ether is addiction. And that feeling of not being grounded,
00:32:38
a feeling like you don't know things, everybody else does, you're lost, da, da, da.
00:32:43
That's addiction. And so those kind of solutions that come that are like, learn sex magic and you won't have this feeling anymore.
00:32:50
It's like, right, but you're still going to be an addict deep down because that's how you're raised.
00:32:55
Or it's depression too. I feel like floating out in the ether, having nothing to cling on to in my experience is what depression looks like.
00:33:01
So that is a really good point. And she seems like had probably both in her life going on.
00:33:06
Yeah. Both of our points are just, it's best to look to yourself. Right. As opposed to like, I'm going to read some cool book at like a bookstore where the book bindings are complete.
00:33:18
Because that's San Francisco in the 90s. Get into sex magic all you want. Like that might be your thing, but you don't have to have like a swarthy dude in the bar tell you about it to like, to make it meaningful.
00:33:31
Well, and also, what if that isn't the thing that doesn't make you feel like you're floating out there anymore?
00:33:37
And then what are you going to do? Right. There should be more than one book that solves it for you.
00:33:42
It should be this podcast. It should. We have all the answers to people that this thing happened 40 years ago.
00:33:50
We're the ones right here. I just wish I had done it differently. That's all I'm trying to say.
00:33:55
I wish I'd made better decisions for myself. Look at where you are right now. You're fine.
00:33:59
You're good. You made it. You are sex magic, baby. Wait a second. Hold on. You're right.
00:34:07
Hold the phone, Karen. Hold on. This is the moment I've been waiting for. I made it.
00:34:12
You and your mug. You guys, you did it. We did it. So of course, the relationship moves super fast.
00:34:18
Within weeks, she's moved in with him. And it's important to remember how young she is
00:34:24
compared to him especially, how fragile emotionally she is. And he just swoops in with all these solutions
00:34:29
to her problems. She says, quote, He was the stillness in the eye of the storm. He gave me a sense of purpose, direction, and security.
00:34:38
he made me feel like a queen, which she deserved. She was, you know? But of course,
00:34:43
there's some massive red flags around Roberta, like the fact that he has aliases.
00:34:48
Lots of aliases. Oh, how many? Lots. I think like 20s, in the 20s. So what do we cut it off at?
00:34:55
Like five? Yeah, yeah. Three? Under a dozen. Let's say under a dozen is, then that's a red flag.
00:35:03
Yes. 11, fine. 13, no. Baker's dozen? No way. No way. Gross. And he apparently, oh, he apparently goes by
00:35:12
at least 20 different names. It says it right there. Thank you, Maren. She knows the questions
00:35:16
Karen's going to have. He also has done prison time for murder. In 1969, when he was 23 years old,
00:35:26
he killed a 61-year-old Loomis armored guard during a botched robbery. Oh, no. Uh-oh, foreshadowing.
00:35:35
Foreshadowing or backshadowing. Backshadowing. He was sentenced to life in prison,
00:35:39
but while incarcerated, he wrote several critically acclaimed anthologies of poetry
00:35:44
under a pseudonym. And so several famous writers lobbied for his release because of his amazing poetry
00:35:51
should somehow get him off from killing a person, an innocent person Oh man So in 1991 he paroled Oh just before she meets him Yeah And so not long after he released from prison
00:36:05
he's back to his old ways. So in July 1993, just a few months after they met for the first time,
00:36:11
Roberta has convinced Heather to hastily move to Las Vegas with him. They get an apartment
00:36:16
off the strip and within weeks of getting there, he's pressuring her into getting a job
00:36:21
as a Loomis armored van driver. Exactly right. Man, that sucks. Because here's the thing,
00:36:33
like when we were talking about that other stuff and it's like, yeah, the age thing,
00:36:38
look, if you meet somebody and you have that magic moment, there's no fighting that.
00:36:42
No. Especially when you're 21. Yeah. You have a couple ciders down at the Tornado.
00:36:47
Sure. Whatever. Oh, the Tornado. But then the peeling, the layers of like, but this, but this.
00:36:53
Yes. And then, yeah, this sucks. Well, these are the stories. Yeah, it's the stories that we tell that are always,
00:36:59
like there's like, for every story that we tell on this podcast, there's a million that are like,
00:37:02
and then they were like lived happily ever after or they didn't, but they didn't rob a bank.
00:37:06
It was like fine. And then, but the idea that the reveal is he's murdered an armored truck driver before
00:37:13
and he's essentially using her like a tool. He's using her like he would use a map
00:37:19
or a gun or anything else. And that fucking sucks. Well, just wait, because... So Heather knows about Roberto's past and the botch robbery that sent him to prison
00:37:30
involving a Loomis guard, but she's not concerned. She trusts him. So in August 1993, she applies for that job and she gets hired.
00:37:37
Yeah. So, of course, she tells Roberto the ins and outs of her job. He asks a lot of questions, wants to know all the details.
00:37:45
She starts taking notes for him, tells him about Circus Circus and how it's the longest
00:37:49
period that she's alone for. and it's at the beginning of the day. So she has the most money at the time.
00:37:55
Long story short, a robbery is in the works before long. Roberta runs a garage space
00:38:00
under a fake name and fake business. And this is going to be the place that Heather will soon bring her armored vehicle
00:38:06
and all the cash to when she escapes to avoid suspicion. And meanwhile, Heather starts practicing
00:38:13
the drive from Circus Circus to the garage, making sure she gets it completely right
00:38:17
and is like, like they're practicing for this heist, essentially. Right. Yeah. Heather's super nervous
00:38:23
and she hasn't even known Roberto for a full year yet, but she convinces herself that going all in on this plan
00:38:29
is the only way to prove to him that she's devoted to him. In the documentary, The Heist,
00:38:34
he like shows her hypnosis tapes and like gets her hypnotized to like get her ready to do this.
00:38:40
So like they're super into like sex magic and tarot and all of the things we talked about.
00:38:46
But yeah, the grand larceny is not the same is that? It's such a weird entree into it. It is. This is how I'm deep. I also love to rob people
00:38:59
and murder people. Right. So now we're back to October 1st, the morning of the heist,
00:39:03
and Heather is ready. Roberta has given her detailed instructions and everything is in place.
00:39:08
She drops off her two coworkers, our friends, Steve and Scott, at the designated spot, Circus
00:39:13
Circus. Then they go inside and in a moment that will change her life forever, she drives away.
00:39:18
now I wonder sorry at the very beginning I was thinking if she just did that independently
00:39:25
like wouldn't that be a thought that would go through your head if you had that job
00:39:30
where you're just like everything's on the straight and narrow but then they leave
00:39:33
and you're just like there's so much money in this truck I could just leave forever
00:39:37
yeah well it's 3.1 million dollars that's in the truck and 1993 money which is almost double
00:39:43
like I think more than double today that so it's 6.something million dollars she drives, just takes off with.
00:39:51
She soon arrived at the garage where Roberto was waiting for her, but she kind of panics when she gets there
00:39:56
because she realizes as he aggressively takes her gun, which rattles her, she suddenly realizes that this man
00:40:04
that she knows is capable of murder doesn't really have a lot of incentive to keep her around at this point.
00:40:10
She's done her job. So she's like, oh, fuck, is he going to kill me? But he doesn't.
00:40:15
And they're just running on pure adrenaline. she changes into her disguise that's been picked out by Roberto.
00:40:20
She's going undercover as an old lady. She has this like gray shampoo set wig, a big old like, you know, sweater,
00:40:30
Afghan sweater, massive glasses. Together they put all the bricks of cash into several moving boxes,
00:40:36
tape those up, load those boxes into the vehicle. They leave the garage and they make a quick stop
00:40:41
to mail the boxes of cash to Miami. so they're just mailing huge boxes of 3.1 million dollars to Miami and just trusting it'll get there
00:40:52
this is like if I plan the highest it like shouldn't have gone so well it really shouldn't
00:40:58
have yeah but it does so then at 11 20 a.m Heather and Roberto go to the airport with Heather in her
00:41:05
disguise disguised as a frail elderly woman and Roberto who's now dressed as a doctor he pushes
00:41:11
her in a wheelchair. They get on the plane. The flight crew notices something weird though.
00:41:17
The old woman simply stands up from her wheelchair and walks right off the plane
00:41:21
when they land. And they joke about witnessing a miracle. So you got to act the part the whole way,
00:41:29
you know? The whole time. Yeah. That's like a thing in theater where it's like, once you exit the stage, you should still be acting as you go past the curtains. Don't just
00:41:37
Run. Yeah. Don't just suddenly drop it and start making phone calls because the people might be able to see you.
00:41:43
It's like that thing, but for Florida. Oh, I need that. At least act old and decrepit
00:41:50
until you're inside an apartment of some kind or a hotel room. Yeah. Also she like beautiful with perfect skin So it going to be kind of hard to like pretend that you I don know She like I never went outside That right That my secret SPF 30
00:42:05
I ate cherries every day. What? Why are you standing and doing cartwheels? Meanwhile, the police are looking for Heather.
00:42:12
They're afraid that Heather had been kidnapped. Like they're still not sure that she had anything to do with this.
00:42:18
So there, of course, this huge manhunt goes on. But in Denver, Roberto and Heather take a limo to a motel.
00:42:24
They change outfits. Then they go from Denver to St. Louis to Missouri to New Orleans.
00:42:28
Finally, they end up in Miami where they hide out in a hotel. They get the cash that they had sent.
00:42:34
No problems there because of course not. Like, what the fuck? It basically seems like at this point,
00:42:40
Roberta takes the money somewhere else and Heather kind of has nothing to do with the money.
00:42:43
Like she's kind of just hiding out. Like her job had been done. By mid-October, which is only a couple weeks after the heist,
00:42:49
police have received a few interesting leads. The charter pilots, of course, were like,
00:42:54
oh, we saw this miracle where this woman, like they told on her basically. Oh, sorry.
00:42:59
That was a chartered plane. It wasn't like a, it wasn't a regular plane. Okay. Yeah, sorry.
00:43:03
Yeah. That's also not a good idea. No, I don't think so either. It's like so obvious and so like specific,
00:43:08
like who was on that. Yeah, because you still have to show them your ID. Yeah. It's not like you can just get on a chartered plane
00:43:14
and buy your way somewhere. You still have to give it all up. Right. Why not just get on a Southwest and blend in
00:43:20
with all the other weird old ladies that act young? In 93. Yeah. The man who rented the garage to Roberto
00:43:27
realizes who his tenants were. He tells on them. They basically figure out that Heather
00:43:31
had a lot to do with this. She wasn't a victim in this, but they're still worried about her
00:43:35
because they also are like, well, he doesn't need her anymore. So they're all kind of assuming he killed her.
00:43:40
Yeah. At some point. So like, yeah, her whole family is like worried that she had been killed for this $3 million.
00:43:46
But back in Miami, Heather is sick with anxiety, feels increasingly isolated. And it only gets worse as Roberto
00:43:53
becomes more and more distant, he uses his charm to enlist a young local woman named Marlene to run errands for them.
00:44:00
So they had kind of had an agreement that it would have been an open relationship on his part.
00:44:04
So he brings in another young girl and Heather's starting to feel pushed to the side.
00:44:09
She's not sure what she can do about it because she's a fugitive. She has to basically stay in this hotel
00:44:13
or motel the whole time. Before long, Roberta decides to get the cash out of the US.
00:44:18
And so the trio all end up in St. Martin about a month later. Then something totally unexpected happens.
00:44:25
Heather discovers that she's pregnant. Oh. Marlene III is pissed. And so she gets the fuck out of there.
00:44:33
So now it's just Heather and Roberto again. He organizes fake travel documents to the Netherlands
00:44:38
and where they'll be protected from extradition back to the US. So their escape plan is executed perfectly.
00:44:44
Again, no hitches. They end up in Amsterdam. Everything is fine. They have fake passports and all this shit.
00:44:50
Do they speak the language? Like how do they, they're just there. The language of what?
00:44:54
I don't know. Like the language of I have here, I have $3 million. Let me do what I want.
00:45:01
That is a good language. A lot of people speak that language. They end up in Amsterdam in 1994.
00:45:06
And in the summer, Heather gives birth to the couple's son. By the way, by the time they escaped to the Netherlands,
00:45:11
it's only been about a year since they first met. It's been a very short whirlwind romance,
00:45:16
if you can call it that. Yeah. Back in the United States, investigators are scrambling to track the couple down.
00:45:22
In May 1994, the case is featured on Unsolved Mysteries as part of an FBI alert.
00:45:27
Tips roll in, but the trail goes totally cold. So they're like scot-free essentially at this point.
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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So investigators think that if she's alive,
00:47:21
Heather's probably living the high life somewhere with Roberto. But of course, the reality is way different.
00:47:27
She's deeply unhappy, does not have any access to the stolen money. Like she's not living the high life at all,
00:47:33
even though she's the one who like made the big heist, you know, like give her that money.
00:47:38
She should have set up a little bit of a deal where it's like, If you're going to mail three boxes, I get one of the boxes.
00:47:44
Just because I, yeah, took the hit. That's right. And then Roberto is like increasingly cold and distant.
00:47:51
He continues to have affairs with other women. So eventually Heather has had enough
00:47:55
and she realized that she's being manipulated. And so, and motherhood has changed her completely.
00:48:00
as well. All she wants now is to give her child a stable, safe home. So not even a year after the
00:48:06
heist, Heather leaves Roberto, takes their two-month-old son and $18,000 with her.
00:48:12
And Roberta doesn't even try to convince her to stay. So she leaves. But she stays in Amsterdam.
00:48:17
But not much time passes before the money is running out. And as a fugitive, Heather's options
00:48:22
for making money are super limited, but she can't just walk into an office and get a job.
00:48:26
So she begins working as an escort. And in early 1997, through the connections she's made working,
00:48:31
she gets passports for her and her young son. They get new names. And in February that same year,
00:48:37
the heist is featured on America's Most Wanted with a $300,000 reward for information.
00:48:43
So the FBI is not fucking around. Heather, who police still think could have been killed following the robbery,
00:48:49
she's ranked number three on the FBI's 10 Most Wanted list, which makes her the highest ranked female criminal
00:48:55
since the list began in 1950 and the most wanted woman in America. Wow. At 21 years old.
00:49:03
Do they have Roberta's name? Yeah. She's the only connection. Oh, he's on there too.
00:49:08
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they know. Yeah. From that point on, Heather starts working as a hotel maid
00:49:12
and aside from this huge secret she's keeping, things start looking up. She soon meets a man she falls in love with.
00:49:18
He seems to genuinely love her back and wants to take care of her. They have kind of this happy, quiet life
00:49:24
under this new alias. But she, of course, knows that the clock is ticking because when her fake passport expires in a few years,
00:49:30
the whole thing could fall apart. And all she really wants to do at this point is give her son a stable life.
00:49:35
And that's not going to happen if they have to keep moving around based on the passport.
00:49:39
So then over a decade passes since the heist. Whoa. And Heather, really wanting to give her son a stable life,
00:49:45
is ready to come clean. Ooh. Knowing it's the only way. So on September 12th, 2005,
00:49:52
Heather, who's now 32 years old, flies to Los Angeles. She meets her attorney at the airport.
00:49:58
They sneak off to a hotel. And under strict confidentiality, her lawyer invites the New York Times
00:50:04
and Dateline to attend a private interview where Heather tells her story, tells them everything,
00:50:09
and explains why she's returned to the US. The plan is to sell the story to other media outlets to raise money,
00:50:16
which would go towards repaying what was taken during the heist. So she knows she's going to have to pay back
00:50:20
everything she took. Yeah. And she also knows she's probably going to have to go to prison.
00:50:24
Doesn't matter. She's totally relieved. Her relief is palpable in the interviews.
00:50:28
She says she feels positive despite the circumstances. And when she talks about her son, she says, quote,
00:50:34
I'm doing this for him. I feel that by turning myself in and surrendering, I can give him a better life, one that he deserves.
00:50:40
And she says she feels like she's setting herself free. And he's only like 10 at this point, by the way.
00:50:46
Just three days after arriving in Los Angeles Heather travels back to Vegas for the first time since the heist There she hands herself to the U Marshal and she charged with bank larceny fraud conspiracy and making false statements to obtain a passport
00:51:00
If she's convicted, she spaces up to 40 years in prison, in federal prison. Her family back in Buffalo are stunned.
00:51:07
They all thought she was dead. Like, they didn't know that she was alive and that they had another grandkid at all.
00:51:13
Oh. I know. That's sad. They said it was like seeing a ghost. During her trial, Heather is remorseful
00:51:21
and she says that Roberto targeted her when she was young and vulnerable. And she also claims that he brainwashed her
00:51:27
into following his orders through things like hypnosis and our friend sex magic.
00:51:33
Yeah. Nonetheless, Heather pleads guilty to embezzlement and possession of a fraudulently obtained passport.
00:51:39
At her sentencing in March 2006, she tells the court, quote, I've made a decision to do what is right.
00:51:44
I want to be accountable. Wow. She receives five and a half years in a federal prison
00:51:49
and is ordered to repay $2.9 million to Loomis before she dies. Wow. Which I'm going to call bullshit on
00:51:56
because there's no way they weren't insured for that money. They were insured, but also he's got it.
00:52:01
Yeah. Go find that guy. Yeah. He'll get it. Exactly. Go find his moving boxes. She doesn't have it.
00:52:06
She clearly doesn't have it. They would have found it if she had had it and it had been repaid through insurance.
00:52:11
There's no fucking way it wasn't. Also, if she had it, she'd be living. on the Amalfi Coast.
00:52:18
She'd be fucking George Clooney's neighbor and be like, peace. Yeah, she wouldn't have had to turn herself in
00:52:23
if she had had the money. No. Yeah. In June 2010, she's released on parole and remains under federal supervision until 2015.
00:52:30
So she's free now. Today, Heather's 50 years old. She remains incredibly close with her son,
00:52:36
who's now 28 years old. And they've both been able to reestablish themselves in the US.
00:52:41
Heather's reportedly working in healthcare once again. But other than that, we don't know much about her.
00:52:46
She's very secretive. She doesn't like the spotlight. In fact, in the documentary,
00:52:50
the heist that I watched about her, an actress plays her talking head. So like she doesn't even want to be on camera.
00:52:57
That's smart. Yeah. She keeps a low profile and she protects her privacy. As for Roberto,
00:53:04
Heather says she hasn't spoken to him since she left him in 1994, but she remains fearful
00:53:09
that he'll someday track her down. And she said that even if she knew where he was,
00:53:13
she wouldn't tell anyone. Because of the danger? Yeah. Yeah. Which is sad and scary, you know,
00:53:18
that she's still so afraid of him. Yeah. Robert Ignacio Solis remains on the run
00:53:24
with the missing cash and is still wanted by the FBI. If he's alive today, he would be 77 years old.
00:53:31
And that is the story of Heather Tallchief, the 21-year-old woman who pulled off one of the largest Vegas heists in history.
00:53:38
So we're giving her credit for the heist, but then we kind of saying it not her fault also Right Well she drove off She did drive off And she served her time She did I can see myself at that age in that era behind that wheel literally being like
00:53:57
can't I just drive off right now? Couldn't I do this? With no sex magic involved.
00:54:02
There's one part that's so 21-year-old in the heist where she explains how once they got to
00:54:08
Miami, they like took the money out of the bags and the money had come from the ATM machine. So
00:54:13
it was like used money and she wanted to roll around in it. And she was like, it was the most
00:54:17
disgusting smelling money. Like the reality of it, it was pretty like, oh yeah, that's what it's
00:54:24
really like is actually is disgusting, smelly, dirty money. And it doesn't feel that good. This
00:54:30
isn't a movie. This isn't a movie. You should probably realize that pretty quickly. Yeah.
00:54:34
First of all, I think there are rules from what, and I feel like last podcast on the left
00:54:39
has talked about stuff like sex magic a lot. I'm sure. I think my knowledge of it
00:54:43
is probably because of Marcus Parks, but I feel like you can't have that kind of materialistic drive.
00:54:52
Attachment to money. To use in sex magic. Got it. It's supposed to be more like nature-based
00:54:58
and like these are the human drives. You're not supposed to be like using it for manipulation.
00:55:02
That's bad. Yeah. It did seem like that positive witchcraft, Satanism, like nature aspect of it
00:55:11
is what it's supposed to be. Yeah, I think it is. But also it's just like, yeah,
00:55:16
any dude that's like opens with, hey, I read tarot cards and I'm really into, you know, self-hypnosis.
00:55:23
It's just like, sir, no, do your own heist. Sir, you can buy me a rusty nail or a lemon drop shot,
00:55:29
but that's as far as this is going. Yeah. Like, slow it down. Yeah. And also just to be in the midst of that,
00:55:39
like that's such an actual heart-dropping moment when once they're driving away and she realizes,
00:55:44
and he takes the gun. Yeah. And then she's like, oh, whoops. Like, that's the moment she thought of that.
00:55:51
All you are is an accessory at that point. You've served your purpose. I mean, maybe he was in love with her.
00:55:56
The fact that she served her purpose. He was a murderer. but he didn't kill her.
00:56:03
He could have. Right. Yeah. He must have loved her. And also she clearly was very in love with him
00:56:07
to have it not even occur to her until that moment. That's like watching your fifth date guy
00:56:14
be rude to a waiter and then you're like, oh shit. Except for it's a horrifying murder crime version of it.
00:56:21
That's a very good point. Wait. Woo. Well, that was great. Thank you. Good job. That was a really, for a shorty, that was very compelling.
00:56:32
Good story. Thank you. I glad it went well for you Me too Because I would have fully fucking bailed Thanks guys for listening As always we appreciate you You our pals
00:56:45
We'll do a heist with you. We'll heist you up. Yeah. If that's what you need. If you're 21 and you're looking for a grounded plan for your future.
00:56:57
Here we go. We'll actually, you know what? We'll be the ones on the other side of the 48-year-old man
00:57:02
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00:57:07
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