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My favorite world Hello! And welcome. To Rewind with Karen and Georgia, our new series where each week we head back to 2016 or wherever the fuck and reflect on the days of yore.
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That's right. We will be providing case updates on the cases that we originally covered way back when.
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We will be giving correction corners because, of course, that never ends. The mistakes never end.
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The corrections never end. And then we'll just explain to you those really confusing inside jokes like stay out of the forest.
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Like where did that even come from? Oh, my God. It was a part where someone was in the forest and a bad thing happened and then we said stay out of the forest.
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Now the code is cracked. Finally. Today, we're going to go back to the 11th episode, which, as we did back then, we named after the number.
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And it's called What the Heleven. Love it. I love that one. This episode came out on Thursday, April 7th, 2016.
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And we had topics back then. And this one, for some reason, never again. Cannibals.
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I mean, we were just, we were trying to be thematic. We were finding our space. We were finding our format.
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Right. And, yeah. Truly two of the worst cases ever. Especially like not realizing that if we talk about them together, it's going to be just a terrible couple hours.
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Right, right. Yeah. But you guys listened and you're about to listen. You listened to us being totally repulsed and freaked out.
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And this is a great example of what this podcast has been like. We have an idea.
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We think we're being cute. We go to do the idea. It's so not any of those things.
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And then people start letting us know how we did it wrong. And we keep it up. What also this podcast is about, though, I will say, is that it's us sitting around talking to our friends about horrible, horrible things and feeling more connected, a little lighter and a little less like I can't sleep at night because all I think about is this.
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It's like, my friends can't either. And we talked about it. We got it all out there in the open, which is the only way I can fucking deal with anxiety is get it all out there.
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Yeah. And we did it. Kind of like we all know these stories, but this is how we feel, which might be how you feel.
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Right. Instead of just that kind of true crime fan projection people put on true crime fans, quote unquote, which is that they enjoy it.
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Right. Or they love it. And it's like you don't understand. No. And I think that maybe at episode 11 we were kind of hitting that stride of understanding that it's not like us driving by a car accident in a car by ourselves.
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It's us driving by in a bus full of people like us. Going, don't look, don't look.
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I have to look. I have to look. Tell me what's there. I'm not going to look. If I look really quickly, it's not like it's looking.
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Oh, I hate this episode. Okay. So, well, come hate it with us. Grab your sister-in-law, your old babysitter, or your voter registration volunteer.
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Hey! I love that Erin put that in there. I know. And invite them all to listen along, because now we can all be day one listeners.
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All right, let's go. Let's listen to the intro to episode 11, What the Hell, Evan.
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We're recording a podcast. We're recording. Everybody clear your throat. What's your name?
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My name's Karen Colgariff. That's cool. What's your name? Georgia Hardstark. And what are we here to do?
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Talk about Moira. Let's do accents the whole time. Lucky. That's all I got. I'll do British.
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Okay. I'm going to have to slide into it. It's going to take a while. I really have to concentrate.
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Hello, Governor. What, do you got a murder for me? Shoot. Shoot. Hi, everybody. Hi, welcome to My Favorite Murder with...
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This is Karen in Georgia. And we're here to talk about your favorite murders and ours.
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Yep. That's what we do. If you just found this randomly, if you were just entering random words on iTunes and you
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found our podcast, welcome. You might bum out. You might get bummed out. Or you might fall in love
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You might fall in love with murder Trigger warning Should we do trigger warning?
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Murder, clearly, if you didn't figure that one out And peanuts Peanut warning Oh peanuts Not this again There also several large penises in this podcast Keep your eye peeled Okay So before we get into this week favorite murder Oh
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Georgia's got some papers. She's got some serious business over there. Well, I want to discuss.
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Okay. So we have a Facebook group for my favorite murder. That is unbelievably awesome. Pretty great.
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2,200 people now. Wow. This is our 11th episode. I mean, like, have 22 people. Nope.
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2,200 people. And for the most part, they're cool. I had to kick a guy out this week.
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He was being a creeper. He was being a creep. Is it the guy that posted the thing about how to check yourself for ovarian cancer?
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What? Did you see that one? I think it was probably him. He posted, like, hey, you guys like beards?
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Or, like, what do you do if a guy's following you at night? Like, really inappropriate.
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Oh. It was just weird. Yes. And the majority of the people in the group are female and they were all like, hey, Georgia, can you kick this guy out?
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Yeah. So I kicked him off and then someone wrote something about like politics. And I deleted their post, but I didn't delete them.
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So. Oh, because you just didn't want to have it be a thing. Yeah. Yeah. So I wrote a thing like, let's just talk about murder.
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everyone. Yeah, it's, we're not there to have it all turn into anything really, except for
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a forum for what everybody's creepy, funny interest is. It's funny that in a Facebook
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group writing and talking about murder, I have to be like, you're inappropriate. You
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have to be so inappropriate to get kicked out of a fucking murder group. Yeah. Well,
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but the other thing too, what I found, and I was on there for a little while and then
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I told Georgia the story of how I'm so afraid because I went back to Facebook and I don't
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want them to alert all my lunatic people that I went to camp with who made me leave in the
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first place. Yeah. Karen's back. I was afraid it was going to go through all my email addresses and just be like, guess
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what, everybody? So I tried to change my email. Anyway, what ended up happening is I got locked out of my own new Facebook thing.
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so I'm it bums me out because I was on there for like three days going crazy I mean like I wanted
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to comment on what everybody was talking about I have liked it's getting overwhelming but there's
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so many great there's so much great shit and you can just like post one little thing and be and
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everyone just writes stuff and people are so funny and smart see that's the thing is that like I think
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maybe a creeper or an outsider of any kind it just shows immediately because everybody's just on task
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totally man or woman everybody there is there to have very specific types of conversations and
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they're not even all about murder no and they know their shit like one person will be like
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yeah you get a lot of uh of posts saying like what was the murder that triggered it for you
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and that made you obsessed with it or what was you know the hometown murder thing is people are
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obsessed with that yeah it's like a lot of really smart questions and then really smart answers it's
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great and i think yeah as soon as some guy was like writing something that clearly had nothing
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to do with it people were annoyed well and also that's like a weird dude that walks up to you and
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your friends at a bar of like hey what do you guys think of beards where it's like we think go fuck
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yourself and they don't get it yeah i've had yeah i've had those i'm not nice about that anymore
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you comfy yes well i was like i realized i was um facing i was perpendicular to you like looking at
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you out of the corner of my eye that's how i like to talk to people that's it's kind of i wasn't
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trying to be coy oh so i didn't tell you this i'm listening to and i know you are too then you must
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remember this podcast about charlie manson yes like a seven part it's a seven parter the last
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episode i listened to was dennis wilson i'm listening to that right now oh i love it how many
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celebrity name drops are in that so many it's hilarious it's like angela lansbury's daughter
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hung out with the charles manson family and like would charge food on her mom's credit card until
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Angela Lansbury was like, cancel the card, get the hell out of there. Do you ever reconcile that you thought Charlie Manson was cool?
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Like, do you ever reconcile Ann Rule thinking that Ted Bundy was a nice guy? I don't think you ever can trust yourself again.
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Or is it like a compartmentalized thing? No, you can't. Here's why I think you could.
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First of all, Angela Lansbury's daughter was very young. She was probably in her early 20s, if not teens.
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Okay. So you get a pass. if you're young and dumb and it's summertime and you're probably on acid yeah anybody with long
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hair and like a weird take on life is going to be interesting to you i bet it's funny how in past
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episodes you and i've been like we're how close have you been to getting murdered like one time i
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walked to my car alone and like angela lansbury's daughter's like well i used to fucking take acid
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with charlie i chilled out with charlie manson for a summer before i went to europe but ann rule
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has like the perfect excuse because Ted Bundy was the ultimate you had to really hang out with Ted Bundy
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before you caught on that something weird was happening he had his act down pat good for him
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he acted like he cared about her he wasn't like a creep to Anne Rule he was sweet to her
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do you kind of wish like standing in front of us right now were like okay let's say there's like
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five dudes and one of them is sociopath do you think after talking to them for like you get to ask each one three questions yeah do you think you could pick out which one is
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a sociopath i think well sociopaths are hard though because their whole game in life is to win
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to beat people to be right so they want they want to trick you they're going to do anything they can
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to not get found out i would think that the nicest dude or the most normal seeming dude would be the
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sociopath they're like no dude the emo kid in the corner do you accuse vince of being a sociopath
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No, because he's nice, but he's not a pushover. Oh got it got it Yeah But that reminds me Okay Put up in the Facebook group because remember a couple episodes ago we talked about how you hate 911 calls Yes And we talked
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about how when a husband kills his wife and then calls 911 and pretends like he didn't do it. Yeah.
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And I was like, can you guess which one was real and which one wasn't? And I said I could, right?
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Yeah. And so we have to wait till Dustin's recording us next time because Dustin's not
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here because I need someone to play. I don't want to listen. I want us both to play. I got a bunch
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of people to fucking put 911 calls in the comments no of a face of our facebook group so we can
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actually play the game that we made up yeah so we're gonna have less you listeners i mean it
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sounds like the worst game in the history of the world should we wait till halloween or yes some
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terrible holiday that's scary listen there is enough that we could do it every fucking day of
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our lives which is so fucked up i don't want i don't either we have to for science podcasting
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here's the thing though because when you listen to a person talk like that it sends alarm bells
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it's like very I want to say reptilian but it's like it's old it's like alarm bells go off
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of like if a man shrieks that's an unnatural sound they're not supposed to make that sound
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I feel like we're going to have to both close our eyes lay down on the ground kill ourselves
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and then listen to this And then put some stuff in our ears. Yeah. Yeah, that sounds like a terrible, horrible, hilarious game that I might do one round of.
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We'll have Dustin pick three out. One of them will be real so we don't have to listen to too many real ones.
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Perfect. Okay. Nice. They're never real. And everyone kills their wives. It's a very common practice.
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What else? Oh, I was going to say last week I called that podcast the Crime Garage about 90 times.
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It's called the True Crime Garage. And they commented and we're like, hey guys. Did they comment?
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Didn't you? Yeah, I think it was them. I was locked out. Remember? Locked out of Facebook?
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No, no, no. On our Twitter. My favorite writer at Twitter. Twitter? They talk to us directly?
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Yeah. I have been off social media because of this goddamn job. This goddamn awesome job.
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Yeah, exactly. It's not McDonald's. Yeah, they commented and were like... Did they say get her name right?
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Were they mad? No, they were like, lol, thank you. Oh, nice. They were cool. Oh, good.
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Okay. Thank God. Yeah. Jesus. Wow, we have a real reach. Speaking of which, we found out...
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Oh, my God. Dustin sent us a picture. Go ahead. You do it. He sent us a little screen grab, and we are number 75 on the iTunes podcast list.
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Comedy podcast list. Is it comedy? Yeah. which is fucking huge it's humongous we've done this once a week for 11 weeks that's not a lot
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thank you so much you guys whoever here's what i love is when people know i now only can see on
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twitter because i've been locked out of facebook goddamn facebook but um but on twitter what i love
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is when people are like you would like this and it's it's our you know listeners recommending and
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and telling people. Tell a friend. Always tell a friend. Everybody's doing a lot of great.
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It's like we got a street team. Totally. People are doing great work. Dustin was telling me that the way you get your numbers up
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and the way you get in those lists is that is people rating and reviewing and then downloading too.
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But you have to download from iTunes to get those numbers. Oh, okay. But like if you have a podcast thing, which I do.
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So they register it. Yeah. Well, thank you for doing it, everybody. Thanks, guys.
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It's really exciting and a huge compliment. For a podcast with two female hosts, neither of which are married to big podcasting big wigs, comedy big wigs.
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No offense to those who are. Careful, flame war. Do I need to edit that out? I don't think so.
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It just depends on how you meant it. Or have a famous or male comedian on the podcast with them.
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Look at the at the end of the day, two girls who are talking about the one thing that they thought they weren't allowed to talk about, which is loving murder.
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And it's working out nice. We're glad that people like it. Did I just play more so hard?
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You did not. There could. There's so many people that could have been. I know. Truly.
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And I don't care. And we're back here in what? 2024. Here in good old 2024. for. We were so proud that the Facebook group had 2,200 people in it. I still think that's so many.
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It was. It is. It's wild. And I had to kick someone out for the first time for being creepy.
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And then I guess also for talking about politics, which is hilarious considering
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now where we are. Yes. Like, I don't think we realized how political we would get or were or
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are. We just thought it was normal. Like, yeah, we're fucking liberal as shit. That's not political.
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But also I think there are men on the Internet, or I should just say people on the Internet, who women talking and expressing their opinion without trying to be attractive in any way is political, which I didn't grow up that way.
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I'm from Northern California. Yeah. It was hippie Montessori, you know. Totally.
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Like girls are the same as boys. Yeah, absolutely. It's not my reality at all. Absolutely.
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My mom, bless her heart, however she is now, she raised me very, very liberal. So I think she hit her head at some point in the late 90s, early 2000s.
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But yeah, I'm proud of that. I'm proud that we do that. It's funny when people are like, stick to true crime.
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And it's like, well, true crime actually is kind of political if you think about it, you know?
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Here's my thing. All the stick to people, why don't they stick to just being in their fucking house?
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Or make the thing you want to make that argues with it. But don't come on here and tell these podcasters or anybody, like, stick to music.
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Stick to whatever. It like shut the fuck up Life has become politics because every fucking law affects you in some way whether you a fucking musician or a podcaster or an actor or a fucking accountant
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You should be political a little bit. Stick to whatever blank is a troll's move.
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And then normal people learn it from trolls to go, oh, this is how I make people not care about a thing.
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But guess what? It doesn't work that way. If only politicians were political, this would be a fucking...
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We'd be fucked. This would be the fucking Nazi Germany. Like, that's the point. Also, I do remember the 80s and 90s were only politicians, and then a couple weirdos were political.
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And everybody else was like, it's their job to do it, and no one else is going to get involved.
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Right. Let's let Ronald Reagan run the country. He's an ex-actor, and he knows best for us.
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Yeah. We are now sitting and living in the result of that. Yeah. Let's not do that.
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Oh, no, we got political. Oh, shit. We got to delete our Facebook. We were forced to be political.
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Let's see. I'm listening to the podcast You Must Remember This about Charles Manson, which is still one of our fave podcasts.
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Yeah. If you're into that, I would also recommend the book that came out not too long ago called Chaos by Tom O'Neill, which is one of the most interesting Manson-related pieces of work I've ever read.
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And I was not that interested anymore. I thought I knew everything there was to know.
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This is like deep dive, like CIA. also the Beach Boys like fucking Terry Meltzer like deep dive
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conspiracy theory Manson stuff so I highly recommend the book Chaos. Chaos okay. Yeah and so you mentioned
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that you have two jobs I remember this because it was very speaking of chaos you had two jobs during this
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time what jobs were those? My new friend Georgia was like do you want to start a podcast and I was like yeah sure
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because all I do is work so it would actually be nice to do something fun. You're going
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to come over anyways. We might as well record it. Right, exactly. We're going to have stellar
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conversations. Other people are going to want to listen to this. But at the time, and I can't
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remember, and I'm sure I blocked out a lot of this, but I'm pretty sure I was working on Talk
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Show, the game show, which is Guy Branham hosted this amazing game show where you had to go on and
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play like you're on a talk show. And I was one of the judges and I was also one of the producers on
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it, whatever. And so I had already done it the previous season. And so I went back to do it.
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And then also I was wrapping up a staff writing job on basically a sitcom, a network sitcom.
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So light lifting. You know, not too much work, but it was great because I was getting away from work. And what
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I actually was doing was signing up for what turned out to be so much. I mean, and we elected to do this podcast like homework.
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But as you can see by the beginning episodes, we didn't think it'd be homework. We thought, oh, my God, do you remember that one little thing about JonBenet?
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Well, right. That's all. And then we realized you cannot talk like this. No. You have to do this correctly.
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You have to be accurate. You have to. All these things that truly we didn't realize.
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And it was like, oh, good. Now I have a third job. Yeah. But we wanted to. We could have given up then and been like, oh, this is too much work.
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Almost did. Almost did. Almost did many times. But it was so 2,200 fucking Facebook people.
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We can't let 2,200 people down. And also we reached number 75 on the iTunes comedy podcast charts, which you didn't give a shit about, but I thought it was the most fucking exciting, I still think.
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75 on iTunes comedy podcast charts. That's big fucking time. You're just nodding and shaking your head now.
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Well, I love it. I was raised in a comedy environment where either you're number one or you don't talk about it because you have to beat everyone all the time.
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And it's just one big vicious foot race. Yeah. But also I was just like, that's nice.
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Like it was just that kind of thing where I couldn't really enjoy anything. Let's just sit in it.
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We don't have to talk about it. I can't tell you guys how many times Georgia would like hold her phone up excitedly and just be like, look.
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And it'd just be a new thing. I'd be like, cool, cool, cool. Okay, let's just get this over.
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Or you'd get mad at me and be like, don't look at that. Don't get excited. Because then you're affected by what you're seeing and you're starting to take it as fact and then being like, we have to change the show because they said we have to.
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And that's the worst. I mean, I'm still affected by those charts. I'm still going to go ahead and say that it's actually now about you commenting and rate review subscribing.
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It's really about that. So thank you guys for doing that. That's why we were there.
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That's right. And we really fucking appreciate it. I wanted to do a what the fuck.
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Georgia Corner where I said something how amazing it was for two female hosts to be on that chart
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because neither of us are married to podcast bigwigs. And I remember saying it because I've
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thought about it throughout the years. And I just saw that because I know it sounds like I'm talking
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shit on Kulop, who I fucking think is amazing. And I love her. Everyone loves her. We love her.
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On her own. But you know what? This is a lot like when I started episode one and I called my sister's
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friend Adrienne, like Prissy or something, which is totally inaccurate. I was kind of trying to
00:23:03
find a concept. And I think you were just doing something. And then in retrospect, we realized
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that is a person specifically that no one feels that way about. I don't feel that way. Her podcast is, of course, Add to Cart. Make sure you listen to it. She's so
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talented. And so I just want to correct that. What is it, 11 years later? No, eight years later.
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This is, I mean, right now I just want to take a moment to say we're very brave for fucking doing this because this is hard.
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And also, and I've said this before, but it's like if you walked around and recorded every conversation that you had and then just posted it somewhere so the public could tell you how wrong you are, you would be like, I would never do that.
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That's crazy. Right. And we've been doing it for eight and a half years. So, like, fucking kudos to us.
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So, fuck you, except for the 2,200 people that were on the Facebook page. They were the ones.
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They are the ones who stuck by us. Let's get into Karen's horrible, terrible, really fucked up story.
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It's the cannibal bus killer. I had never heard of the story before you told. it. I wish I had never heard of it, but you should stay and listen. Yeah. Don't listen. Here we go.
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Goodbye. Karen, it's your turn. Is it my turn to go first this week? If you want, I'm happy to.
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Guys, this week, our theme is cannibalism. Which I think I didn't realize how rough it was going to be.
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Well, and I kind of touched on it last week with the Vampire Sacramento. But he was, I mean, what I realized in reading is, yes, it's rough.
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It's super gross. I have something to read you. And there's all different kinds.
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I have something to read Karen about when I was like, I don't know about cannibalism.
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And you texted me back. Hold on. Let me see here. I said, what if we were talking about maybe it'll be cannibalism?
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And I said, what if the theme is what if they're innocent? And you wrote, I feel like cannibalism would be easier for me.
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I was like, okay, cool. Yeah, I didn't want to have to do a bunch of like. Yeah.
00:27:06
will they won't they what i enjoy is when you know for a fact someone has murdered 12 children
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they were caught with like human flesh in their oven some horrible yeah i like deep horror as
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opposed to like could he be in jail and that's just sad uh but but also i meant it because it's
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like i basically off the top of my head was like well there's classic albert fish everybody you
00:27:31
That's that thing of he's an all-star. And there's Dahmer. Everyone knows Dahmer.
00:27:37
Everybody knows Dahmer. And if you haven't heard Last Podcast on the Left's Dahmer, I think it's a three-part series, two or three-part.
00:27:45
It's very perfectly researched, of course, Marcus Parks, but also hilariously funny.
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I got to say, speaking of, you must remember this, and Dahmer, I don't care about either of those cases.
00:28:01
Manson or Dahmer. I'm really bored by your recipe. You must remember this. I know that's a podcast.
00:28:10
As a story. You're flaming out tonight. As a story. You're just like. I don't like anything but when children get murdered.
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No, no, no. I 100% agree with you that somebody, I think on Twitter, recommended the You Must Remember This Manson series.
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And my sass remark back immediately was, I don't like hippies. it's someone that I know or talk to
00:28:32
so it wasn't like too mean but that's my thing is that yeah Charles Manson is it's just random and then Jeffrey Dahmer
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is just like one guy being gross and I like more of a planning process a true serial killer well I guess he was in that
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way but like as I've said a million times I tend more toward like 7 the movie 7 where it's like notebooks
00:28:57
weird shit hung in your apartment. Obsessive. Well, he had shit all over the apartment.
00:29:02
I guess I'm less interested in serial killers these days than I am in either one-off murders
00:29:08
or even multiple murders, but not a serial killer. I just don't think I'm as interested anymore in that
00:29:17
as much as people who fucking snap. I guess sociopaths and psychopaths bore me because there's no explanation.
00:29:27
There's no like understanding them. I hate being so far away from, I hate saying,
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I don't understand at all how they could have done that. I want like a, well, I've been pissed off or I've been with this person who is a psychopath.
00:29:41
Like I understand. That's fascinating because I'm exactly the opposite. That's why this is a perfect fact.
00:29:45
Hello. Yang. Take a shot. Karen just sang something. I have to do it. It's, it's one of my oldest habits.
00:29:55
I love it Yeah I guess I like the psychological what the hell is going on and people don really have the answer I like the fact that the human brain is such a mystery
00:30:06
Yeah. And what's behind everything. I don't like when the trial is open and closed.
00:30:14
I want it to be so complicated and so insane and weird and circumstantial and this and that that we don't really know completely.
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and also it was like a temporary insanity or you know which i don't believe in at all but right
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i also like when we were talking talking about the staircase um stories like that and if you
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haven't seen the staircase it's a documentary series it's amazing and you should definitely
00:30:38
see it if you care about true crime because it's it's got everything yeah what i love about it is
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it's something great to talk about like everyone i know has a completely different opinion and
00:30:48
there's still new stuff coming in the thing about the blood spatter expert just being a complete
00:30:53
fraud totally is amazing and it's like it's the story's always developing well that's why i did
00:30:59
like the jinx is that he killed circumstantially he killed because the circumstances demanded it
00:31:06
yeah his wife was gonna leave him his neighbor was gonna snitch on him his best friend was
00:31:12
figuring his shit out yeah so he had to kill you know like i mean he didn't clearly but i
00:31:18
love that that person's brain thought these ways he wasn't a psychopath who enjoyed murder it was
00:31:23
like this he's such a fucking narcissist that these were the that was the the means to the end
00:31:29
but i think there's you could argue he did enjoy some of it because he was so tricky when he killed
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the woman who was his good friend i can't remember her name now that whole thing where he flew into
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like way northern california and drove down so it's like i wasn't in los angeles like just the
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He shot her in the back of the head, meaning he couldn't look her in the face when he killed her.
00:31:50
True. Because there were emotions there. Yeah, he knew her and he had grown up with her.
00:31:57
What a creep. He walked her down the aisle when she got married. Oh, shit. Yeah.
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So he, like little things like that, you know, it's not like, those little things I think are the,
00:32:09
so the serial killers, like even Ted Bundy, which I read all about when I was like 14 and like,
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Yes. Serial cannibalism, like the occult shit. But then got older and was like, this isn't how life is.
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Life is ugly and weird and creepy and spur of the moment and you make stupidness.
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And Ted Bundy's beautiful. And Ted Bundy is calculated. Oh, yes. Like organized.
00:32:31
Right. Yes, yes, yes. I get it. Yeah. That makes sense. And wait, what about cannibalism?
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oh i guess i was saying like in the in the first pass of looking at different all the choices we
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had and i know people were posting so if you whatever you find here if it does it does not
00:32:51
satisfy you go to our facebook page because people started posting stories what they like
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and that's always a great thing too is that no matter what happens here there's a bunch of options
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on the facebook page yeah and sometimes we'll we'll have our murder but the thing that we're
00:33:05
that either Karen and I are focusing on is a part of it that we find interesting.
00:33:09
Yeah. Like we don't have, we're not going to tell you from start to finish the murder.
00:33:14
We can't do a seven part series. We don't have the attention span. I'm sorry, what?
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But I was going to say, Do you see how cute my cat is? I do. Oh, I'm sorry. You were serious.
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I thought we were both joking. No, well, I was just going to say, I love You Must Remember This
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because those ones that are fully produced, she's got music cues. Her speaking voice is perfect.
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The writing is amazing. I just keep thinking of how she's taking so much research
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and making it a fascinating story. She is doing a great fucking job. I just don't care about Manson.
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But I'm going to listen to the whole thing because it's still history. Right. I didn't think I cared about Manson.
00:33:57
I started listening to it because I had a long drive home one night and I was like,
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I'm not going to listen to the radio. and by the end of the first episode I was like
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I am in this I want to hear whatever you have to tell me because she folds in all the Angela
00:34:09
Lansbury shit that you didn't even know was in there in the first place. Yeah the connections
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and like why he came to LA which is like I didn't know why he came to Los Angeles and like what a
00:34:19
fucking little you know where he met a lot of the Manson followers yeah well but the podcast I love
00:34:25
even more because it's there's no explanation and it's empty is someone knows something
00:34:31
did you listen to the new episode no i'm not caught up my lord are you mad at me no i'm like
00:34:37
i'm that was a uh i can't deal with this podcast sigh because it's so good oh oh don't tell me i'm
00:34:45
not gonna tell you but you need to listen to the listen if you haven't listened to someone knows
00:34:49
something listen from the very beginning it's the whole season is one is about one story and it's
00:34:54
fucking incredible it's really good oh also i was gonna say uh oh people were talking on the
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for the four minutes I was on the Facebook page. I'm just going to keep harping on it,
00:35:04
like as if I got kicked out on a personal level. Well, I did write a letter to Facebook.
00:35:10
I was like, can you get this bitch out of here? Dear Facebook, at one point there was a whole thread
00:35:16
about people liking or not liking certain podcasts. And I actually made this comment,
00:35:21
but I don't think it ended up on there, which has started my problem of how I ended up getting kicked off.
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But what I was saying is, this is kind of the beauty of it there's a million true crime podcasts to listen to
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and you and it really is like having to sit with people for an hour so like i remember there was a
00:35:38
guy on the facebook page that talked about how he didn't love our female ramblings and i could not
00:35:44
stop laughing because i was like yeah but it was like it was as if he liked it anyway where i was
00:35:49
like well what the fuck else is there of not female ramblings on this fucking podcast ramblings of
00:35:54
being scared of being murdered when we walking on the street but still i my point is that Everybody looking for a certain thing in a podcast And so like I love Last Podcast on the Left because it all the comedy I love
00:36:07
I adore Henry Zebrowski. Then you've got all this fucking research. So you're really being, there's so much takeaway.
00:36:13
Like, there's just all, there's so many choices. So we know that when you fly, you have a lot of choices in the air.
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And thank you for flying with us. It is nice that like we, you can talk, we talk about, I do like that we talk about other
00:36:26
podcasts and how much we like them and we promote them because I, you know, yeah, we're
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not the only ones. We're doing something very specific, I think. Yeah. And, and yeah.
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And even like, I guess lore, someone did, I, last week, mine was who put Bella and the
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witch elm. And I think they did it too. Last week? Yeah, I think so. Wow. So, but.
00:36:46
People love lore. I keep hearing about that one. Yeah, I do too. But I guarantee it's not the same thing that we did.
00:36:51
No. And ours is probably... No. All right. People love your Banksy comment, by the way.
00:36:57
Which was... What was it? That people were doing graffiti about who put Bella and the witch elm.
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And you go, that's where Banksy started. Jesus. Oh, you. Okay, Karen. So let's get into cannibalism.
00:37:08
No, let's keep on talking about podcasting instead of actually doing it. That's what's really interesting.
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So I'm basically saying that when I looked, it's like Albert Fish. Check. We've heard about it.
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We know about it. he's a fucking creepy old man then there was the guy i did i did did you really no yes go on did
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you really i'm sorry but i'm sure it's gonna be great okay go ahead shit sorry no you're i'm sorry
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now i'm afraid to say my second example but this is i'm just saying my thinking i was trying to be
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exciting i get it you went classic i did go classic you did a classic i basically what i was saying is
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i don't i didn't feel like doing the serious homework because albert fish killed fucking 400
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people. Yeah, there was a lot of info. So I kind of, I summarized. Okay, good. I went,
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which I think you might like, because this is what you're just saying you like, kind of a one hit wonder killer. Dig it. It's the cannibal bus killer from Manitoba. And this was
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a thing that I remember. It happened in 2008. When it came on the news, I was by myself in my house,
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of course and i was staring at the tv like what is happening and so here in a nutshell if you've
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never heard it it's insane on a gray town bus and they were going between manitoba and brandon
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which i believe is a very small town and it's a very long um space between the two cities so not
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a lot of places to stop and get food exactly hungry it's just all these people on this bus
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and at noon a man named Vincent Lee got on the bus and he went and he sat next to a guy
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named Tim McClain Tim was asleep wearing headphones listening to music he's a carnival worker
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and he was 22 and at some point an hour into the trip at first Lee was sitting up near the front
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near the bus driver and then he went back and sat next to McClain then he pulled out a machete
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no he started stabbing him don't and he began to decapitate him have you ever seen a machete
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no in real life aren't those like really big they're quite large he had a concealed machete
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on his person so okay so he begins to decapitate him so the bus driver everyone of course now this
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is me uh filling in the blank i would imagine started screaming sure right but you could probably
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do that quietly oh my god yeah or like the staring where you can't scream because you can't take in
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no i mean he probably stabbed him machete him quietly oh no no he didn't he didn't no because
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he was standing and everyone was around you know what i mean like it's a bus filled with people
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the bus driver pulls over opens the door everyone runs off he there was they didn't the chronology
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didn't seem clear to me but it sounded like a couple of the men and the bus driver tried to go
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back to do something about it that's what i was gonna say yeah and uh the killer had decapitated
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him and was holding his head up he was already decapitated and so they got off the bus was he
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decapitated but was he was his head off before he died you die you die once you cut that jugular
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it goes very quickly and also he was stabbed in the chest and in the neck i fucking hate cannibals this is i hate this topic this is it's a terrible fucking topic so
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and this is i think the worst of i went i went as bad as you can go i did too uh yeah yours is
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horrible um so let me get through mine so we can get to yours sorry no no no so uh they lock
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they close the bus doors and um they and barricade it somehow i think someone said that
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they threw up like a crowbar or something so that the bus doors wouldn't open the fucking guy vincent
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lee holds out the decapitated head and there's witness that eyewitness statements that say
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that he looked completely calm like nothing was happening and held it out and they this one guy
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said dropped it on the ground i don't know if that meant he held it out of the bus window and
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dropped it on the ground but that usually greyhound bus windows don't work like that
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so held it out and then dropped it inside the bus or whatever and he was completely calm while he
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was doing this completely calm and then uh started banging his his own head against the window really
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hard over and over and so what what is happening and this is as i was putting this together i was
00:41:50
like cops come this is a one this is whatever a crazy attack like a berserk moment at the end But they so far out in the middle of nowhere it takes the cops it this happened um they got on the bus at
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noon and the cops showed up at 8 30 at night no so so i think there were a couple like an hour or
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so into this trip but like they were they had to sit on the side of the road i would have latered
00:42:22
It's so hard. Well, yeah, you just fucking go running. But you're out in the middle of nowhere.
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Oh, fuck. And what was that? I don't know. Someone's getting murdered. That was a weird...
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I think it... Hopefully it was laughing. It was laughing because my neighbors like to play beer pong.
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Oh, okay. Fuck. Yeah, we're fine. Jesus Christ. So... No, it was a maniacal cackling.
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It sounded like a human-sized chicken. It was a maniacal human chicken cackling.
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And I'm just picturing this. So it's like you're sitting there's so there's a guy having a psychotic episode dropped trapped on the bus.
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And so as he he's either pacing back and forth on the bus or what has as they say in the Wikipedia article defiling the body.
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So I went into a couple articles. I know it's great. But it was over for him fast.
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I just let's both hold on to the family. Like, no, there it's awful for them. It's terrible.
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Imagine living your life for 22 years just to be defiled on a Greyhound bus of all places.
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I'm sure he did other great stuff though I mean focus on that but here's the thing
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so he's either let's not go too far down that because it's going to ruin this part
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where I say he was either pacing up and down or defiling the body which meant he poked out the eyes
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nope he was cutting off body parts when the cops finally got there and they finally figured it was 1 30 in the morning when they finally tased him because they
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couldn't figure out how to oh at one point sorry at one point um the killer tried to drive the bus
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away and the bus driver driver had like a uh one of those things like a remote yeah making the bus
00:44:05
not drive away you know those things um uh were people do you think people were watching i feel
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like i wouldn't watch they said that people were sitting huddled on the side of the road crying
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and vomiting. Yeah. Freaking out. Sounds about right. But you're like kind of stuck there.
00:44:24
I'm sure you're trying not to go away from and you don't know where this guy's going to go.
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Like I would, are people driving by? Can you hitchhike? I mean, maybe but like you're also
00:44:35
in a state of shock. That's like the craziest thing to witness close up. So when they got him
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off the bus they had to bag up the body. It was so badly attacked. And his nose, ears, and tongue was in this killer's pockets.
00:45:00
Pockets? He'd put them in his pockets. Oh, my Lord. And he had also been eating them in that period of time.
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And at one point, he started screaming, I will be on this bus forever. So what did we find out about him?
00:45:14
So it turns out this was a man who had very bad schizophrenia. He was a Chinese immigrant who moved to Canada, who was like a computer engineer in China,
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moved to Canada and of course had a bunch of shitty jobs, three jobs at a time, doing
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a lot of traveling. In 2004, he started, and when he was like, I think in his early 30s, he started hearing
00:45:36
the quote unquote voice of God. And so he had already been picked up once before for like the voice of God had been
00:45:43
telling him to go here and go there and like the cops picked him up so but he didn't know what
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schizophrenia was and so he was untreated for any any mental problem so when this came around
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he'd already been doing a bunch of weird shit he had the machete on him he had sold his laptop for
00:45:58
60 bucks to a kid at a bus stop well that's how you know he's crazy 60 bucks it was a dell um
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but he and he had become convinced that god wanted him to kill because aliens were going to attack
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and it was the only way that people could be saved he had the voice had told him that this guy sitting
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on this bus he had to be killed to save everybody else i mean how do you argue with that what reality
00:46:28
is subjective yeah and he's he has no idea like he's not in anywhere close to reality anymore
00:46:36
yeah there's no break and be like oh shit i'm not doing well no no no no he's fully like doing what
00:46:41
the voices tell him mode so that happened in 2008 the most recent article i found was from february
00:46:49
26 2016 he has been in a mental hospital all this time and slowly but surely since he's been on this
00:46:56
medication oh when he was arrested um he just kept telling people to kill him so he was like
00:47:04
he knew what he did he like became aware slowly but surely or maybe that was in court when he
00:47:09
when he first appeared in court he said you should kill me i want to die um then i read
00:47:14
another interview with him that was from like two years ago where someone said are you happy
00:47:18
and he said no and then he said i will never be happy um but the most recent article with that i
00:47:26
can live with him never being happy well how could you be i mean like it's a horrifying thing
00:47:31
even if you get sane you have the realization that you did this thing yeah go on so yeah he's in a
00:47:36
prison but uh he just won the right to to live on his own and his he's changed his name to will baker
00:47:46
explain my face right now yeah george's entire face dropped four inches when i just said he he
00:47:51
won the right to live on his own. Yeah, in Canada, it's like basically he's slowly but surely,
00:47:57
and he's thoroughly monitored, so it just means he doesn't live in a group home i just rolled my ass so hard my head hurts i know it's you should
00:48:04
see these reddit the conversations that people are having between we you know mentally ill people
00:48:11
need to be able to learn to live in reality and people going he ate this man's eyes like
00:48:17
as someone with like basic run-of-the-mill depression and anxiety i know that the first
00:48:22
instinct when you start taking pills and they work is just that you say i'm fine now and you
00:48:26
stop taking them yeah yes that's yeah that's the instinct and with this guy which several people
00:48:33
argued on reddit when he stops taking his pills people get eaten and macheted on a bus i can't
00:48:39
breathe it's crazy it's very terrible um at the time a greyhound was running an ad campaign that
00:48:45
was there's a reason you've never heard of bus rage and they had to cancel that campaign and
00:48:51
also bullshit from the beginning have you been on a fucking yeah exactly the greyhound is one of the
00:48:57
scariest i took one right in my life and it was very pleasant it was from san francisco to here
00:49:03
but i fucking know how not normal that is how old were you uh 27 because when i was like in eighth
00:49:10
grade i took the rayon bus from petaluma to ukiah your parents let you do that yeah i think my mom
00:49:16
thought it would be like good experience or whatever which is like yeah you'd think oh yeah
00:49:19
nothing can happen like what would happen anything can fucking happen especially oh anything i mean
00:49:27
whatever especially when we clearly have known from this podcast from the beginning that
00:49:33
everything terrible that has ever happened happens in northern california yeah that's
00:49:37
it's there's like there's like the early meth era oh totally i mean we did meth before anybody did
00:49:43
Oh man, you and I are like original math heads. Which is why we got over it. OG math crew.
00:49:50
Yeah. Yeah, it's like biker math. Totally. Crazy. And there was also PETA tried to run an ad in the local newspaper about comparing this
00:50:02
murder to eating animals. And the newspaper was like, gfuck yourself. Yeah. Which I love.
00:50:08
Gfuck yourself is like what I'm going to say when someone sneezes from now on. fuck yourself did she just say she didn't just she did not say that to me um and i guess in in
00:50:23
closing and in summation uh if you go read the details of this there's what was his name again
00:50:28
so we can look it up his name the killer's name was um vincent lee l i is how he spells last name
00:50:36
l i but he has legally changed it to will baker now and i'm sure that people are there's death
00:50:41
threats left right and center for this guy so i don't it's such a terrible scenario but yeah i
00:50:47
i feel like i was trying to suss out my feelings on it it's like i yeah i feel like after you
00:50:52
machete and eat a person on a bus you don't you just don't get to ever leave a mental hospital
00:50:56
even if your pills work no even if you're sad totally especially if you're sad yeah this is
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okay i gotta say part of the reason i did i chose albert fish is because i didn't want to choose
00:51:08
someone who's still alive because the majority of those people who have fucking done this are out
00:51:12
of prison yeah and i didn't want to piss off some satanic fucking vampire cannibalist person yeah
00:51:20
that makes sense i highly doubt he can get a passport though so i feel really guilty about
00:51:25
what i said about albert fish because i couldn't be more interested i don't care
00:51:29
i mean i care are you gonna stop texting me i need you in my life i meant that i know that you
00:51:36
you weren't being negative about it. The reason, is there anything you want to add to that?
00:51:41
I'm sorry I cut you off. No, no, no. No, just, you know, watch out for machetes.
00:51:47
That is a good one-off one because it is interesting that this person just, they didn't just snap.
00:51:56
No. No, that's untreated mental illness, advanced mental illness. If you think God is talking to you, if you think aliens are doing anything,
00:52:05
you need pills. Listen, we all wish aliens and ghosts existed but you're probably just mentally ill.
00:52:11
It could be that or look, even if they do or whatever, but if God is telling you stuff, that's
00:52:19
when you really have to go to the doctor. My cat tells me stuff all the time. Oh, I'm sure that's fine.
00:52:26
Anyway, should we stop the podcast now? It's sweet stuff. Kill your neighbor. Kill your neighbor.
00:52:32
I love you. Kill your neighbor. I mean, just horrible. So I guess I'll start with case updates.
00:52:44
So in the episode, I mentioned that Vincent Lee won the right to live on his own.
00:52:48
In February of 2017, Manitoba's Criminal Code Review Board granted him an absolute discharge from the facility he was living in.
00:52:56
So he now lives independently somewhere in Manitoba. and he's not required to attend annual reviews or abide by conditions or anything.
00:53:06
Canada, can you explain yourself, please? Well, they can. Yeah. I mean, it's rehabilitation.
00:53:12
Yeah, that's true. So it's that thing of like, I hope that's true and I hope it's working.
00:53:16
And it's not wrong to be on the other side of it and go, what if it happens again?
00:53:20
Right. But that's not the point of the criminal justice system. Exactly. Yeah, yeah.
00:53:25
I mean, of course, the witnesses, the people who were on the Greyhound bus that day,
00:53:30
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00:53:42
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00:53:50
and there really hasn't been much of an update since then. Now here one and I wouldn say it like a silver lining or anything like that but I will just point out that while we were talking about this we brought up that PETA tried to run an ad at the time comparing this crime to eating animals
00:54:12
And I believe I said, although I thought it was you, the newspaper said, go fuck yourself.
00:54:17
And then we made a mug that said, go fuck yourself on it. Right. And way back when in 2016.
00:54:23
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00:54:33
You mentioned how everyone knows about it in the episode, which I guess I was embarrassed, but now I'm like,
00:54:40
no, we do that now. We tell stories that everyone knows in our own special, horrible way.
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Yeah, we weren't breaking the Albert Fish story, but I think that's one of those things you and I have that connection
00:54:50
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Of all the people you would pick to mention, you mentioned that one. I know. It is very, very weird.
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00:57:31
when I first heard about it because I think it was like, it was one of, his first kidnapping was in 1924.
00:57:41
So yeah, his first kidnapping was in 1924, which is like one of the earliest recorded,
00:57:45
nope it's just or an early kidnapping which i'm always fascinated with oh did you think i was
00:57:51
arguing with you yeah i was going like holy fuck like nope i thought you were shaking your head no
00:57:56
no no i was thinking about like that's back before phone phone probably most people had
00:58:01
phones in their house right this is like so early days of like if a kid goes missing they're like
00:58:07
they're at their friends will they yeah and because especially you know these are all a lot
00:58:11
of people are immigrants child labor is a thing so kids kids aren't kids they're tiny hands to do
00:58:18
day labor with it's like the dark ages yeah 1924 yeah in new york city so yeah so it's actually
00:58:26
i'm sorry it's hamilton howard quote albert fish uh born in 1870 he's known as the gray man
00:58:35
the werewolf of wisteria the brooklyn vampire the moon maniac and the boogeyman oh he's the boogeyman yeah i've heard a lot about him yes so he was born his mom put him in to an
00:58:52
orphanage pretty early and he was immediately treated sadistically so like he was like bred
00:58:58
to be a serial killer. Yeah. Then he began to enjoy the physical pain, which is like, oh, you're doubly silly.
00:59:06
And then he remarked on his time at the orphanage, I was there until I was nearly nine.
00:59:11
And that's when I got started wrong. We were unmercifully whipped. I saw boys doing many things
00:59:17
that they should not have done. I don't know what accent I was going for in that whole entire thing.
00:59:21
I liked it. It was light British. Thank you. It was kind of like a Catherine Hepburn thing.
00:59:28
oh thank you you know high class yeah i'm wearing pants so okay so there's all this there's all i'm gonna paraphrase it there's a lot of shit about him
00:59:40
being into weird stuff like drinking urine and learning about eating bodies and how good it
00:59:46
tasted and like lots of little things like that and as a kid as a kid and as he grew up um he had
00:59:52
he had six children that he never physically attacked supposedly wow which is bananas although he did encourage them and their friends How embarrassing would this be To paddle his buttocks with the same nail paddle he used to abuse himself
01:00:08
Sounds like a real fun guy. So you're at your friend's house like, hey, come over and we'll play with this hoop and stick like we like to in our 20s.
01:00:17
And then the dad comes down and is like, guys, come over here. Paddle my butt. With nails and a board?
01:00:24
how did that even i mean i'm telling i'm telling i'm telling yeah yeah so he got into raw meat um
01:00:35
he started suffering from psychosis he got into raw meat he started eating raw meat because he
01:00:41
was like obsessed with cannibalism um he felt that god was commanding him to torture and sexually
01:00:46
mutilate children ding ding red flag hey call the cops on yourself well yeah so the the murder that
01:00:54
really stuck out for me of him that I've always was so troubled with and when I think back about
01:00:59
murder I think of this was Grace Budd. Basically Fish saw a classified ad in the Sunday edition of
01:01:08
the New York World that read young man 18 wishes position in country so he basically answered an ad
01:01:15
for someone needing work in Manhattan. He visited the family under the pretense of hiring this guy
01:01:23
and later he confessed that he was actually going to kill this guy and then he met the
01:01:29
daughter grace bud and was like nope gonna kill this one and eat her instead oh so um let's see
01:01:39
he he met grace and he made up a story about having to attend his niece's birthday party
01:01:48
and this is the fucking time they just let her go with this nicely dressed probably old man who
01:01:55
came to their house to respond to a wanted ad yeah but he had come a couple times okay which
01:02:00
is like trusted best friends yep and like you let your kids go places and that thing of like
01:02:05
always trusting authority yeah it's like oh he's got a pocket watch nothing can happen yeah well he
01:02:11
convinced the parents to let grace accompany him to the party that evening and he grace left with
01:02:17
fish and never returned. And then he sent them a fucking letter. I'm going to read a part of it.
01:02:24
Okay. So he was talking about cannibalism and about the olden days and saying that there was
01:02:29
a famine in China. Meat of any kind was from one to three dollars a pound. So great was the
01:02:34
suffering among the very poor that all children under 12 were sold for food in order to keep
01:02:39
others from starving. A boy or girl under 14 was not safe in the street. You could go in any shop
01:02:45
and ask for steak and part of the naked body of a boy or girl would be brought out
01:02:49
and just what you wanted cut from it. This is why I had a problem with cannibalism
01:02:53
is the majority of it was with children. Yes. Sorry, this is his letter to the family?
01:02:58
This is word for word part of his letter. I don't think I've ever read any of this before.
01:03:02
Let's fucking, and then here's more. On Sunday, June 3rd, 1928, I called on you.
01:03:08
I brought pot, cheese, and strawberries. We had lunch. Grace sat in my lap and kissed me.
01:03:14
I made up my mind to eat her. On the pretense of taking her to a party, you said
01:03:19
yes, she could go. I took her to an empty house in Westchester I had already picked out.
01:03:23
There's some fucked up things about it that I'm not reading because they really, really troubled me. More so than
01:03:29
him eating her. Basically, why am I reading this one? I don't know. Here's the thing about Albert Fish.
01:03:38
You read the byline of Albert Fish, which is like cannibal molested and killed 400 children or whatever that crazy number is you're gonna you're gonna get to this part no
01:03:50
matter what he was a fucking sadist yeah like when it comes to torture and molestation and all this
01:03:56
and torturing the family yeah he wrote he wrote multiple letters to people he kids who kidnapped
01:04:02
their families a psychiatrist described him as looking like a meek and innocuous little old man
01:04:09
gentle and benevolent, friendly and polite. If you wanted someone to entrust your child to,
01:04:15
he would be the one you chose. And if you look him up, which you can, there's a fucking his mug shot
01:04:19
and a couple shots from him in the court. He looks like a little old meek man. I'm going to look him up right now.
01:04:25
Do it. Just so I get the visual. He boasted that he had children in every state and that one time stated that the number was about 100.
01:04:33
It's not known whether he was referring to rapes or cannibalism, nor is it known if the statement was truthful.
01:04:38
He confessed to molesting more than 400 children over 20 years and is believed to have murdered somewhere between 6 and 15 children.
01:04:46
Fuck. He confessed to all these and he was electrocuted. When he was electrocuted in Sing Sing, he said that the electrocution would be the supreme thrill of my life.
01:05:03
Just before the switch was flipped. He was an asshole. He was a fucking asshole.
01:05:06
He was an asshole. Before the switch was flipped, he said, I don't even know why I'm here.
01:05:10
And legend has it, and I think this isn't a legend, this is true, that his execution took longer because he was really into stuffing needles up his penis.
01:05:18
Oh, that's right. And the numerous needles inserted into his privates disrupted the flow of electricity.
01:05:25
How on, you know how? Fucking orphanage and being raped and tortured as a child.
01:05:32
Are you looking at him right now? Yeah, but there's also people. This is why I love the internet.
01:05:37
Oh, no. His face is very disturbing. The eyes are dead. Yep. Like, the eyes are no good.
01:05:43
But then, people are making what look like inspirational posters. Because he looks like Albert Einstein a little bit.
01:05:48
Yeah, it's like, it says, none of us are saints. Albert Fish. Oh, God. Is the quote.
01:05:54
He a little like he a little Henry Ford looking Exactly So you wouldn know Yeah And he does look his cheeks are all sunken Yeah So he looks like he couldn do anything to anybody
01:06:05
He looks weak. Totally. That's hilariously hideous. Man, I'm so glad we live in these days and times when you...
01:06:13
Okay, we're back. I mean, truly, I think one of the worst serial killers and stories, like one of the most every page you read on Albert Fish, it gets grosser and weirder and more fucked up.
01:06:32
But no one really talks about him because he was old. Well, it's old timey. He was old.
01:06:36
I think it's also the like glee he does this stuff in and the joy he obviously takes from what he does is so horrific that it's made him, you know, stick around.
01:06:46
like he's on all those lists of worst serial killers of all time because of that.
01:06:51
For sure. For sure. So not many updates, but here's a quick corrections corner. As I stated, in May of 1928, Albert Fish saw a classified ad in the Sunday edition of The New York World
01:07:00
in which 18-year-old Edward Budd had posted looking for work. Fish visited the Budd family pretending that he would potentially hire Edward.
01:07:08
And during this visit, I said that he met Edward's daughter, but it was actually Edward's sister, Grace.
01:07:14
And Grace at the time, I didn't say it in the episode, but she was only 10 years old at the time that Fish abducted and murdered her.
01:07:20
And then in November of 1934, so years later, Albert Fish sent his letter to the Budd family taunting them, which was ultimately what led police to finding him.
01:07:30
And then he confessed to Grace's murder and police were able to find her skull. And up until then, her family had held out hope that she was still alive.
01:07:38
Six years. Yeah. Horrible. That's a long time. I mean, also, it's the kind of podcast and true crime listeners know this very well where every story we go, that is the worst.
01:07:49
Yes. That is the worst because it is the worst in this moment. And how did this happen?
01:07:54
All of that is the truth. It's just like none of these things are comparable. They're all these little explosions of absolute horrific human behavior.
01:08:04
Yeah. Which is somehow what we're all so fascinated about. Yeah. Because we know it's there and we're not ready to ignore it.
01:08:10
It would be so nice to stick our heads in the sand and be like, life is beautiful.
01:08:14
All old men are nice little old men. It's like they're not. And this is one of the examples so you can just, I don't know, maybe prepare.
01:08:22
Yeah. Nazis get old. Yeah. Fucking pedophiles get old. That's right. So don't always.
01:08:27
I remember saying that to my friend once who was like really nice. And she was like, oh, look at that old man.
01:08:31
And I think I said like pedophiles get, maybe he was a pedophile. It's like, why did I say that?
01:08:36
Because I'm a murderino. Because, yes, exactly. You have to remind people, if you walk through the world with that pie-in-the-sky attitude, you're next.
01:08:46
Exactly. Exactly. You got to watch that back. Okay. It's time to go to the outro.
01:08:51
Let's hear it. Oh, my Lord. That scared the shit out of me. Hi, Vince. Come in. Hi.
01:09:00
We're talking about cannibals and then the door unlocked and pizza came in. Hi. That's how they get you.
01:09:07
They open the door with a key. Karen did that scare you? It scared me a lot. Okay I'm going to read you a couple things
01:09:14
or should we save it for the mini-sode? No do it. Okay so I put I was watching a murder show today
01:09:21
48 hours on ID and they said something that made me laugh and so I put it on the Facebook group
01:09:29
and I said does this make you guys laugh? What makes you laugh? And it was that they quote said
01:09:35
life seemed to move a little slower there when they were describing the town in which this like fucking grisly murder happened.
01:09:41
And I'm like, well, if life seems to move a little slower in your town, chances are someone's going to get murdered.
01:09:49
And I said, well, there are other classic triggers. And here's what some people wrote.
01:09:53
So like the things that they say in these murders. So think of this as in Keith Morrison's voice.
01:10:02
Quiet and unassuming means they're going to be killing people. he mostly kept to himself is deaf a murderer yeah this is what people wrote she lit up a room when
01:10:13
she walked in you're gonna get murdered he was such a nice guy totes murderer she really did
01:10:19
get along with everyone murdered murdered vivacious murdered full of potential murdered as hell
01:10:26
unassuming equals assume murder very successful father plus charity volunteering tennis playing
01:10:34
mom equals one of the kids is going to off them for the money. Yes. She had everything going for her.
01:10:40
If someone has suffered years of bad luck and shitty life circumstances only to find
01:10:44
that lately everything is working out and that life is indeed worth living, murder.
01:10:50
Quote, from the outside, it was picture perfect equals dad is stealing money and everyone is
01:10:54
about to be murdered. Yes. If she loves to run, she's going to get murdered. Like jogging.
01:11:00
Yeah. She had just turned her life around. She got off drugs, got sober, and got a very good job.
01:11:05
Equals she's a goner. Yes. Yeah. If he'd give you the shirt off his back, he's going to get murdered.
01:11:10
Yeah, he is. Someone wrote, whirlwind romance equals Molly. You in danger, girl.
01:11:18
Instant best friends with everyone. Never met a stranger. It says every dateline opening ever.
01:11:26
Never met a stranger. Meet a fucking stranger every now and then. You do it all.
01:11:29
You know what? You should meet strangers. You're an idiot. Someone says, it was such a nice night for sleeping with the windows open.
01:11:37
And then I'll read one more. Oh, he loved her very much and wanted to show her the view from his favorite mountain peak
01:11:45
slash hiking trail. And so that your smile better not light up a room. That's so true.
01:11:54
My version of that, but it's not going to be the poetic version, but it's just basically
01:11:57
the guy that's the doctor. yeah it's any doctor on any of their shows yeah they always they always kill everybody like super
01:12:07
nice doctor with the rich wife another the maybe she yeah maybe she's comes from a rich family and
01:12:12
like why are you getting in medical school yes yeah and then he's got now he's got a 21 year old
01:12:19
and he's gonna kill his wife if one of you got if one of the married couple got the other one into
01:12:25
debt the one who got into debt is gonna kill the other one yes the one who owes yep yep does the
01:12:34
deed yeah why not just kill him so that means everyone get into debt before your loved one can
01:12:40
so they'll kill you it's a race to the bottom nothing to them why would they kill you
01:12:44
and ask for no money when you divorce them otherwise you're gonna die that's hilarious
01:12:51
This is what we learned. That's like City Confidential isn't on anymore, but I used to love that one because the narrator was like,
01:12:57
it was a sleepy little town. Sleepy little enclave. It's always an enclave. It was an enclave, and he always sounded a little drunk,
01:13:04
which I loved. That was the guy that was from Star Wars. Was it really? Yes. Oh, shit, I didn't know that.
01:13:14
Well, should we tell everyone where to find us? Yes. Okay. We are at, what's your address?
01:13:20
my home address is uh k no karen kilgariff at twitter karen kilgariff at twitter hard g hard
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stuck at twitter we at my fave murder my fave murder at twitter and then you can email us your hometown murder which we probably going to do a little episode eventually of a bunch of your stories at myfavoritemurder And please join the Facebook group at myfavoritemurder
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I don't know. It's a closed group. So you have to join to fucking get into the murder action.
01:13:49
Oh, and here's an important thing that was making me laugh. People wrote this a lot.
01:13:53
If you are from Canada or the UK or Europe of any kind, there's no you in favorite, you fool.
01:14:00
People kept writing, Well, I didn't realize you guys spelled favorite incorrectly.
01:14:04
Incorrect. Yeah, fair enough. Fine. We spelled it second. All right. So before we get to potential titles, let's plug some merch.
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Yeah. Go to MyFavoriteMurder.com, to the store. Actually, the Facebook 2200 would be a good title for the episode.
01:14:47
Oh, yeah. What's some others? What are some other titles for this episode? How about science podcasting? When I said that you needed to listen to 911 calls, and that's when I think I learned that you fucking can't.
01:14:59
And it was for the Facebook group for science. Yeah, for science. Georgia then said, do you see how cute my cat is, which would be a great title. And it's kind of the theme of this separate from true crime, kind of the theme of this podcast.
01:15:11
There so many There the cats Yeah it so true Female ramblings Oh my God Yeah we kind of already did that in this Rewind episode That true Thank you for flying with us Oh when I was basically saying there plenty of true crime podcast options out there
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Thank you. And then there's no, oh, yeah, we told all the people internationally that there's no you in favorite, which was so actually when we went to Albert Hall in London, fucking epic location.
01:15:38
Yeah. When we drove by, we were so excited because they had written My Favorite Murder on the marquee with the U.
01:15:43
And we were like so into it. And then I guess when they found out that we said that, they changed it.
01:15:47
And I was like, I really wanted a photo of that. Yeah. That was the Albert Hall experience.
01:15:53
I can remember almost every moment of it and how doing Jack the Ripper, this slow sliding feeling of this was a gigantic fucking mistake.
01:16:02
It wasn't. It was great. It was great. It was just, you know, Albert Hall. Come on.
01:16:08
All right. Well, thanks for listening to another episode of Rewind with Karen and Georgia. We
01:16:13
are actually enjoying doing these. I know. Well, it's kind of, it's the thing we like, which is like,
01:16:20
ooh, this is hard and weird and uncomfortable. We're going to be doing a bunch more.
01:16:24
Yeah. And instead of like worrying about our wrongs that we did, we can actually write them a little bit.
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