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Hello! And welcome to Rewind, right? With Taryn and Georgia. That's what the show this is.
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Yeah. I don't know how that got split up. This is our new weekly bonus episode where we get in a little time machine
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and go back to reflect on our very first episodes of this podcast. Today, we're going to revisit episode 13.
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That's called 13 Going on Murdy. It's from Thursday, April 21st, 2016. So this episode was the three-month anniversary of the podcast starting.
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Who fucking knew it would be six months total that we did this podcast? I mean, just let's go back and whisper in our little 2016 break.
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Guess what? Hey, girl. Hey. Hey, guess what? Hey, guess what? It's going to keep happening.
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So anyway, we're celebrating. We're looking back. We're viewing. We're discussing.
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So join us. Go find your favorite goth, your favorite punk, and a grandma and invite them to listen along because now we all get to be day one listeners.
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Okay, let's listen to the intro to episode 13. All the way down to the LBC. are we gonna podcast down to the lbc today yeah this is karen on the one two that's karen on the
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one two that's georgia on the three fours there we go hey welcome to my favorite murder
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this is karen that's karen this is georgia remember our voices remember make mental pictures
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and um then listen to horrible things from us and get ready to party party with knives um
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guys there's so much going on so much going on this is this is gonna be chock full yeah this so
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this episode is about 1980s murders 80s murders it's episode lucky 13 yay uh and we decided that
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we do um well when we decide these things it's so random we're just trying to interest ourselves
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yeah and make something that we think we'll get for me i was trying to think of something
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make us dig deep and go maybe off ours. My standard interest is the murder of marginalized people so
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that I can come back and talk about and shake my finger at society and how society works.
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And how we've wronged. And how we've all been so wrong. Yeah. And we've wronged and been wronged.
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But then I think last week we got a little deep and personal and kind of sad. And so
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I was trying to think of like 80s murders would be like immediately I'm thinking,
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come home in the morning like you know it's a cindy lopper feel it's a fun murder it's a fun
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triangle pink triangles and light blue dots type of feel okay i should let you know that mine isn't
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fun okay mine is marginalized people i mean i feel i feel like there's almost no way that it's not
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gonna be that way well the 80s just did a number on murder because i feel like there was just
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there was a lot of horrific murders coming out yes and i think when i was researching mine i found
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when people talk today about that we live in rape culture in the 80s it was like that flag was
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flying high well it wasn't a rape culture back then because no one cared about rape it was like
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wasn't it like legal to rape your wife yeah and it was like she wore a short skirt so she deserved
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it and everyone would high five in the courtroom. There wasn't a rape. It was fucked up. It wasn't
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a rape culture because it was just culture. It wasn't rape. Yeah, there was no delineation. It
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was just like it was this is culture and too bad. Accept it. There's nothing you can do. Right. Don't
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wear it. You shouldn't have worn that. And you shouldn't have talked to this person. Karen,
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what do you have in front of you? Oh, guys. Yeah. Before we get into the main course, let's let's
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do some apps. Let's have an appetizer happy hour. Yes. Give me some murder consomme. Now, people
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talked about this on the Facebook page. Of course, there's no way to jump the Facebook page.
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When shit comes out, it's going to hit there first. But I too, like someone who posted this
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on our Facebook page, bought the InTouch Weekly that has Jean Benet's cases finally solved on
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the cover But they don but they like but we not telling you right Well it can be for sure Because now it gone into it almost like JFK theorists
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Where it's all just split into these lunatic satellite theories. The reason I think this one has much more weight to it is because it's the original private investigator that the Ramseys hired.
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Yeah, but if the Ramseys hired them, is he going to disclose what he knows about the Ramseys?
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I don't know. I mean, you would think not, but then he's no longer on their payroll.
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He just started investigating independently from when they were cleared. But someone made this great point on the Facebook page that rung my bell, which is you cannot clear the Ramseys if the case has not been solved.
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Somebody came in and was like, don't worry about them. They're fine. And it's like, but there's no person.
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It's not like you're saying that and then you're bringing up this is the actual suspect.
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And the reason we know they're not guilty is because of so-and-so. Exactly. Because they still haven't cleared all the evidence that points to them.
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There's so much. And there's just so much. It becomes like the Jack the Ripper thing where when you go over the path over and over, everything gets muddied and crazy and you suddenly don't know where the path is anymore.
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The thing that's frustrating to me is that anytime someone is like, here's the theory and here's why, every single one of them makes total sense.
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Sure. And you're like, okay, yeah, I could see that. And they are like, they pick and choose the evidence that supports that and it makes sense.
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Yeah. And then you hear, you know, the evidence is something totally different. You're like, that makes sense too.
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Right. So it's hard. It's very hard. And in this article itself, this happened to me, which here, I'll say this first.
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This is how terrible I am with the digital age we live in. this article was uh four pages long and i dipped out on page three i was like i can't read that i
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don't want to read this anymore but i'll tell you why because it's this um what's his name uh
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ollie gray is this private investigator so he's got a team of people helping him
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for this investigation they think it's a guy named um michael helgoth who did it oh they say
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who they think did it yeah and they think he did it with other people but this guy has killed
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himself right quote unquote killed himself since that time which the bullet went from left to right
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and the gun was laying on the right hand side so they're like they're that's not that's not a
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suicide right so they think that he was killed to be silenced as the people that did it with him
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want to make sure that he doesn't fuck them up and get them sent to jail so they think it's one
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guy or multiple guys they think that there was multiple guys it's it's all different people
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saying all different things. Because then why wouldn't they kill, if it was just the two of them,
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I could see that. But if it was three, yeah, okay, so it's three, then why didn't whoever killed that one guy
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kill the other guy too? They could still do it. Or maybe they have. Like, we don't know
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because we don't know who those other two people are. But apparently this guy, Michael Helgoth,
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Ollie Gray, for some reason that name will not stay in my head. Ollie Gray says this guy
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is caught on tape admitting to the murder. Where's the tape? What's the tape? let me see the tape it's yeah it's it's uh it's let's see the tape was removed from mike's house
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after he died in 1997 but apparently it was overlooked by the police and returned to mike's
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family and why do they think he did it because he admits it on this tape and then there's there
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witnesses who say they saw three men leave the house in a station wagon there's a girlfriend
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who says my boyfriend came back in a station wagon i'd never seen before changed blood splatter clothes
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It's a bunch of that kind of shit. But it's nothing. Nothing is being reported to the police in a firm, factual way.
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As far as I can tell from this very lightly skimmed article, here's why I stopped reading this article.
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Because one of the people whose picture is next to Ollie Gray's in the article is a guy named John.
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It looks like Kennedy or Kanady. And he has a lot to say about this guy and what he's like.
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and he killed cats when he was little and he's really messed up and he owned a taser
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and John Bonet was tased and all this different stuff. Unfortunately, in the second paragraph, it says,
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oh shoot, sorry, I'm on the wrong page. On the third page of this article, it says,
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Kennedy, who has a questionable past himself after being sentenced to three years supervised probation in 1979 for sexual assault on a child,
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oh my god phoned the boulder police department nearly 20 times no one would call me back he says
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so immediately that's when i was like why am i reading this article this is basic this is the
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reason nobody's listening to these theories is because you now have a child rapist that's like
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i know who did it yeah well that's like criminals you know um it's reporting each other it's never
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gonna be solved it's the messiest fucking thing do you think it'll ever i don't think it'll ever
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to be solved. I mean, I have to say, I don't know, but I had to buy this. Yeah. No, no,
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you needed to do that. I'm glad you brought it out of your bag and I was like, yay! Why
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didn't I think of that? Yay! Every page of this magazine is absolute trash, including
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this article that's all just like, and of course they have all the pictures of like
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Patsy's writing and then the note and all everything you'd want, but it doesn't help
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anything. No, I don't think it'll ever be solved. And I don't, unless we can do some
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kind of mind reading in the future i don't think it's gonna be solved what's gonna help me though
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a lot is that uh true crime series they're gonna do about this case i can't wait for that i'm gonna
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watch the shit out of it but like will they include things from child rapists that's what i want to
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know is like how who's fact checking that totally script totally i like the idea that i spent this
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2 so you wouldn have to thank you yeah i gonna try to do that for you when it gets solved Is that going to be worth something Yeah I definitely putting it into a Ziploc bag and putting it in a file folder Put it in your vault That right At the bank You guys will both have vaults
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That'd be amazing to have a vault that when you die, you open it up and it's a bunch of old
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in-touch weeklies. Like not even that old though. They're like from like mid-90s.
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Pathetic. Yeah. Should we go on the main course? oh the one thing i do want to say first please do um our facebook page is blowing up so crazy
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we love that people keep joining it um it's so fun and uh we're we're going to we we had it it grew so quickly that we had to get some people um i believe their names are alex
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and Ari and we had to get them to moderate so we just want to be respectful of the fact
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that they're actually doing work for us and trying to keep the Facebook pages readable and as fun for
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everybody as possible so patience as we kind of have weird growing pains because it isn't the original
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300 people who are like you know their own little club and we're sorry it can't be that way anymore
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it's almost 3500 it's fucking crazy It's huge. And also, thanks to you guys on the Facebook page, we also made the fucking, we made the top 50 comedy podcasts on iTunes.
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Which is crazy. How crazy is that? So quickly. Yeah. Thank you guys so much for participating so much.
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The only way we can get on that is if you guys rate, review, and subscribe. Excuse me.
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Get it out. Get it out now. So please keep doing that because that was very fucking exciting.
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oh and also i haven't checked the uh gmail for your emailed hometown murder stories in a while
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because they go yeah they went a little crazy that there's so fucking many so we will get back
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on that and do a mini um mini sode yeah of that pretty soon um i i'm also because of the facebook
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page nerd like i'm really aware of quotes that i'm that we're saying because people have been
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making these inspirational posters that are so hilarious so funny of stupid like not stupid but
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like hilarious quotes we've been saying yeah it's very cool it's so rad so now every time i say
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something i'm like is this gonna be an inspirational quote i like don't start trying to talk in quotes
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i don't i'm not going to i don't want to i don't want to but then you pull out of like notes in
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your pocket yeah i'm like i happen and like my hand has writing all over it but anyways
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And we're back. We're back. The great Erin Brown, who is our marketing director, but also helps us make these episodes,
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actually went and found an InTouch Weekly magazine so we could actually look at it.
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The one that we had been looking at? That we were talking about. I mean, that's just dedicated work that she is doing.
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I think this is from when they exonerated, and I'm putting that in quotes, the parents without any actual evidence.
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They were just kind of saying, well, because the headline is finally solved. Oh, that's true.
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Where it's just kind of like, that's quite a promise. That is. Like, wouldn't, yeah, you got to deliver something great if you're going to promise that, right?
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Yeah, you would think. Yeah. But it also kind of shows how this is the kind of thing where it's like it says they're America's biggest murder mystery where it's like, yeah, everyone cared about this little girl just being murdered in her home.
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I mean, I just I can't believe it's still not been solved. It's wild. Let's see.
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The Facebook group's going strong. We have 3,500 members, which is a ton of people.
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And we have a bunch of moderators are being thanked finally. and, you know, appreciated them, all the hard work they did.
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Yeah. Alex and Ari, thank you so much, because they were the original moderators on that.
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Back when that Facebook page was small and manageable. It was like your grandma's kitchen.
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You just go in there and have a seat. There would be like country-themed decor. Yeah, it smelled like cookies, and it was just like a place
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where the other people who were listening to this podcast, and there weren't that many,
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could all kind of talk and gather. Yeah, sit around a Formica table, have some tea.
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And essentially build the murder, like you guys built the Murderino community there and together.
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That's where it all kind of started. Pretty cool to have watched that happen. Yeah, totally.
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And we're on the Top 50 of comedy podcasts, which I was excited about. You probably weren't.
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Well, I mean, I just, My whole thing was you were getting very excited. Yeah. And I just didn't want you to be disappointed.
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I was trying to be like, you can be excited, but what if something else happens?
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Yeah. Be ready for a different thing. And, you know, I'm happy and proud to say I was wrong.
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I was very wrong. So our theme for episode 13 is our favorite murders from the 80s.
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So I remember you telling me this story because I had never heard it before. Oh, yeah.
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The preppy murders. Sorry, really quick. Before we get into the Preppy murders, my friend Owen Ellickson is the one who suggested 13 Going on Murdy. And he, I think he either texted me or sent it. He was my boss on the first scripted show I ever got to write on. And it was such an honor that he was paying attention at all or cared.
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It was just that weird thing where I was like, oh, this is a different thing than anything I've ever worked on before.
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Where there are people that I know that are paying attention, that are like in it with us that know what's going on.
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That's not all that common here in big time Los Angeles. That's so true. Or if they are, people don't tell you.
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Right. Especially if they like it because then it like oh I not going to give her a big head Yeah exactly There certainly you know but I mean Owen a great guy So that made me laugh really hard And that was you know that was it
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That's a great title and a great suggestion. So again, thank you for that. I think we thanked him at the time.
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Do you want to go first? I will go first. 80s murder. Come home in the morning. That's what 80s makes you think of?
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Yeah. Immediately Cyndi Lauper. Yeah. Because I was a total 80s kid. So this murder happened.
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I completely remember it. It was 1986. I was 16. This was like right there when I was starting to go like, oh shit.
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like the real world is heavy duty 16 is realizing that yeah bad things can happen to you and yet
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was i still a blackout drunk you bet i was lady did i still walk alone at night it's i was the queen of the kidnapping in my town right um so my murder is the preppy murder
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do you remember that preppy murder robert chambers and jennifer levin i don't new york city 1986
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No, tell me everything. Okay, so this was big because back then, and it's so funny to talk about and to look it up because it now seems like 100 years ago.
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Right. But in the 80s, the big thing back then was being rich. This was like a little bit after Revenge of the Nerds.
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Yeah. Where people started to acknowledge that there was another way to be besides popular, rich, blonde, skinny, on coke, and wearing an eyes on shirt.
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Right, it's like us against them kind of a thing. Exactly. but up until that point it was basically like this is the only thing you can be and if you're
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anything else you're just invisible and no one gives a shit about you or you'll get beaten up
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and thrown into a garbage can yeah um so that was it was very much like the greed is good gordon
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gecko era of like the poster that had the porsche with the naked lady on it that was like boys and
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their toys it's like standard fair it's like everyone everyone was assumed to be reaching
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for the same goal of being wealthy exactly yeah and now when you watch American Psycho which seems
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totally insane now it really was like that that's just like a satirized campy version of exactly how
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it was um so uh in August 26 1986 um it was right before people were going back to college or going
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away to college for the first time and there was a bar I believe it was the upper west side I should
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have written it down. Sorry, it could be the Upper East Side, but I think it was the Upper West Side.
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And it was called Dorian's Red Hand. And that's where all the rich kids, prep school kids used to
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go. They could actually go there and drink underage. And their parents kind of knew that that's where
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they went. And they liked that they went there as opposed to anywhere else. Oh my God, like they
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knew where they were. Yeah, they knew where they were. It was a little bit of a clubhouse. It was
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very insidery. And it was like a very specific sect of like from like 17 to 23 year olds that
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went to this bar. And they probably weren't blackout drunks too. It was like you have a
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reputation you need to hold your shit so it's not like they were going to some dive bars right it was
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like networky and kind of clubby but i think there was a ton of coke back then oh my god all the 80s
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ate all the coke they did they and all at the beginning of the 80s they thought coke wasn't
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bad for you right they honestly believed it was like b12 which is the greatest so anyway at this bar uh is a
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I named Robert Chambers and he was as it's I found an old people magazine article from 1986.
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I bet it's worth so much money. Which is well, it was online. But yeah, if I had the real thing.
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But it talked about here's how it described him. Robert Chambers seemed like every teen girl's dream.
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The son of a record promoter. He grew up in an elegant townhouse next to Carnegie Mansion.
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And as a child, he belonged to the Knickerbocker Grays, which was an anachronistic,
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but very upper crust boys drill team whose members have included vanderbilts roosevelt and
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rockefellers he was no scholar but he'd been a debate team member soccer star at york preparatory
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school he he he was a rather charming pleasant society boy sums up his former headmaster every
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girl had a crush on him so he would have never dated us is what you're saying oh no this guy if
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i was in the bar with him he would have looked past me like i was part of the wallpaper oh my god
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um and but but he had kind of fallen on hard times and the thing is with the perspective of
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knowing that this was a world of like sperry top siders people like i grew up in a farm town and
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people tried to pretend like they were preppies because preppy was basically saying you go to
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prep school you're rich yeah and no one was in my town yet tons of people tried to dress like that
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that was like the mall culture and the like the look of yeah of the day clean cut wealth totally
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And like influence too, because if you were like, yeah, he went to school with fucking Vanderbilt's, you have influence.
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Exactly. So his parents got divorced and then the money stopped coming in from the dad.
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And he also, they say from age 14, he had a pretty bad drug habit. So his parents had separated. He got kicked out of Boston University for bad grades.
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And that was, he was only 19 when this happened. So he'd only been there for a year.
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So he fucked up there pretty quickly. According to his advisor, he'd been treated the spring before a drug rehab program in Minnesota for coke. But he came back to New York City and was quote unquote on the circuit. And he was six foot three, 220 pounds. And he was as popular as ever when he came back.
00:26:11
Did you see a photo of him? He's super hot. Yes. You know who he looks like? He's like kind of a more buffed out. You remember the reporter from Making a Murderer?
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Oh, God. He's so cute. He looks like that guy, but with a crazier, more cartoony square chin.
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Wow. So like good genes. Sharp faced. The first guy you would see when you walk into a bar.
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Do they have your favorite attribute of a person? High forehead. Did he, Karen? I think he did. He was perfectly set up. He was like tall football player looking blue eyes, dark hair, big eyebrows.
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How does none of those children ever turn out like just kind of ugly or plain? No, because it's there. It's all the breeding. It's like those the rich people don't pick plain people.
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It's not like I love this handsome woman for her brain. That never fucking happens.
00:27:03
Yeah, that makes sense. Kind of ever. So anyway. Sorry, go on. So he was there and then this girl, Jennifer Levin was there and she was described as a magnet.
00:27:14
Everyone seemed to gravitate toward her. She was 5'7", 120 pounds brunette with great style.
00:27:21
She was voted best looking and best figure in her senior class yearbook. She liked parties better than books, but she had a goal.
00:27:28
She had saved $1,600 from working in a restaurant over the summer and she was sending herself to junior college.
00:27:35
so she wasn't a rich wasn't a rich girl no but she was like in the mix so i think she was like
00:27:41
she may have gone to those schools but no it sounded like she was more um yeah she was more
00:27:46
of made herself she's the perfect murder victim self-made that's right well the thing is like her
00:27:52
she had an uncle that wrote for sports illustrated i don't remember what her parents did i do remember
00:27:57
um very distantly reading a big long article about her either in the new york times or the
00:28:04
New Yorker, but it was all about how her parents were more like the arty types. Like someone had
00:28:09
money somewhere, but like she had to earn her own. And so you'll see this girl gets totally
00:28:14
fucking reamed by these, this defense attorney set up. I'm going to tell me, okay, keep going.
00:28:19
I'm sorry. I've never, I don't know this one. I'm so excited. Okay. This was, this was kind of
00:28:23
amazing. And actually looking back on it now, I'm amazed of how we all just ingested things. There
00:28:29
was you know no internet you just kind of took it as it was given to you yeah so um so this is just a
00:28:36
a quick story she had charm her family recalled what happened one day three weeks ago three weeks
00:28:42
before the murder when she riding in a taxi told the cabbie she was nervous about her impending
00:28:46
driver's exam before long the hack had shut off the meter and was tutoring her in parallel parking
00:28:51
oh so that's how charming she was she never got to take that test because she went to dorian's
00:28:57
red hand that night and everyone was there kind of saying goodbye and like everyone's going off
00:29:02
to college, whatever. And Robert Chambers is there. Now they had dated a little bit, uh, before that
00:29:09
Robert Chambers' current girlfriend breaks up with him in front of everybody by throwing a bag
00:29:15
of condoms at him and saying, you're not going to be using these with me anymore. And people think
00:29:23
that the reason she broke up with him was because of Jennifer Levin, that she found out that he
00:29:27
had been cheating on her with jennifer levin that's a theory i didn't find anything that was
00:29:32
like this is definitive yeah but it is definitive that this girl very publicly humiliated him and
00:29:38
broke up with him in the really hideous way so at four is somewhere i there was a couple different
00:29:44
times listed in different articles i read somewhere between 3 45 and 4 30 in the morning
00:29:48
jennifer and robert chambers leave this bar and walk across the street into um central park which is apparently the common thing is people would like they said if Dorian Red Hand was the meat market Central Park was the grill So you like you meet somebody and chat with them and everyone would go into the park to have sex
00:30:08
That's like that was a dangerous park back then. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like what respectable girl wants to get boned in Central Park?
00:30:19
But I guess it was kind of like also Upper West Side, if it is West Side, which I think it is.
00:30:25
I remember walking there when I lived in New York and being shocked at how safe it seemed.
00:30:30
I was walking home at like 11 o'clock at night. The streets are super busy, well lit.
00:30:34
There's a doorman every 500 feet. That's true. I think also they lived in a world where they thought nothing could ever happen to them.
00:30:42
Right. So two hours later, Jennifer's body is found by a bicyclist riding through Central Park.
00:30:50
It's found behind the Metropolitan Museum of Art. Her shirt and bra are pushed up around her neck.
00:30:56
Her skirt is above her waist and her underwear are 50 yards away. And her whole body is bruised and battered, has cuts and bite marks all over it.
00:31:05
Wow. So the police start processing the scene and they don't say how they know this, but I found
00:31:12
this in every article about this. Robert Chambers watched the police process the scene from across the street.
00:31:19
Wow. He lived like minutes away walking distance and he watched them as like they put up the tape and did the whole thing.
00:31:25
Probably like the doorman said he was he was standing outside the door or something like that.
00:31:29
Yeah, someone saw it. So basically when the cops do their footwork, they find out that he's the last person seen with her.
00:31:37
So they go to his fancy townhouse. He opens the door and he's got scratches on his face and arms.
00:31:44
And it's when you see the picture, it literally is like one long one in the middle.
00:31:49
Shut up. And then little ones down the side. It's a hand scratch down his face. And he had him on his arms.
00:31:54
And he said it was his cat. Then the cops find out the cat had been declawed. So then he changes his story and said, yes, I did leave the bar with her.
00:32:05
But then she left to go get cigarettes. I never saw her after that. Well, she didn't smoke.
00:32:11
Oh, you did. So then finally they get him. He has a taped confession. and this is what his tape confession is.
00:32:20
He says, he says, he and Jennifer had gone from the bar to Central Park where they had sex,
00:32:26
including a bondage game in which Levin tied up Chambers' wrists with her panties.
00:32:31
In the middle of this, in his version of events, something went wrong. She hurt me, he says.
00:32:37
I told her to stop. She wouldn't. So freeing his hands, he said, I pulled her backwards
00:32:42
and then he claims he hit her once and that's how she got killed. It is so unfair, dude.
00:32:48
That's so unfair. Well, the assistant district attorney who was in that interview said to him,
00:32:56
I've been in this business a while and you're the first man I've seen raped in Central Park.
00:33:01
So people weren't buying it from the outset. It upsets me so much when a person like him can't just, you're taking a little responsibility.
00:33:12
Just go the whole way instead of blaming it on her. it's so unfair i know but it's we are talking about this is like i'm sure part of it this is a
00:33:21
drug addict this is a person who's slowly sliding down the status the status mountain um and he
00:33:30
probably is used to getting everything he wants and having everything go his way and if he's a
00:33:34
narcissist and possibly a sociopath he's not going to handle this correctly right ever right or cop
00:33:41
to it and he probably doesn't have the kind of parents that are like hey guess what do the right
00:33:44
thing yeah yeah it's all is true i guess i'm coming at it from my own personality why can't
00:33:49
things be good right yeah of course so um this race scenario was considered to be highly unlikely
00:33:55
uh in the light of the fact that chambers uh was more than a foot taller than jennifer
00:34:00
um she was oh this says she was five foot four that's much different than five seven which is
00:34:05
from the different article anyway but he was a foot taller than her and a hundred pounds
00:34:11
heavier than her. So everyone's just like, yeah, I don't think so. Now here's the problem.
00:34:17
The way his defense attorneys did it, the articles that start coming out, because of course the media has to go with the grossest version of the story. So the New York
00:34:27
Daily News had headlines like how Jennifer courted death and sex play got rough. And her reputation
00:34:35
was totally attacked while Chambers was portrayed as a Kennedy-esque preppy altar boy with a
00:34:41
promising future. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, why media? Why? I mean, and it's that gross thing of like, you see people talking about it online all
00:34:51
the time now where it's like that Planned Parenthood shooter where they were like, he
00:34:56
was sad and lonely. And it's like, why are we talking about how hard it was for the guy who just shot all
00:35:01
these people? We're not talking about the victims. Maybe they were sad and lonely too, but they didn't fucking shoot anyone.
00:35:05
I mean, it's the weird media bias that, you know, we're all starting to become more and more aware of.
00:35:12
And it's like one outlet picks it up and the others all have to go along with it.
00:35:16
Right. And it's like, it's the same thing as these days of like clickbait. It's just the old version of clickbait.
00:35:22
In court, the defense sought to depict Levin as a promiscuous woman who kept a quote unquote sex diary, except for that never existed.
00:35:32
she had a small notebook that contained the names and phone numbers of her friends
00:35:35
and notations of ordinary appointments so she just had like a day runner like everybody else
00:35:41
and they tried to say she had a sex diary and she was that much of a slut even as if hey guess what
00:35:45
even if that was true you don't get to murder her but in the 80s that's a legitimate defense
00:35:50
yeah um but these tasks tactics luckily uh they were met with public outrage and there were protesters demonstrating outside the courtroom calling themselves justice for Jennifer So people got super pissed that that the way they did it
00:36:05
And the prosecutors came right out and said he was high and drunk and he killed her in a rage because he could not perform sexually.
00:36:13
And that's really what happened. The jury deadlocked for nine days. A plea bargain was struck in which chambers pleaded guilty to a lesser crime
00:36:21
of manslaughter in the first degree, which is a class B felony and a one count of burglary for thefts from 1986.
00:36:29
Who cares about that? So he served from March 22nd, 1988 to February 14th, 2003.
00:36:37
And then, but he's still in jail now because he got out and almost immediately got
00:36:41
arrested again for selling drugs. Like he tried to move to the South with his girlfriend.
00:36:45
Then he moved back to New York and basically just, they got him immediately and he's still in jail now.
00:36:51
What was it like in jail for him that he immediately went out and sold drugs? Like he just didn't learn a fucking thing.
00:36:57
He didn't. Yeah, he never got clean. And I think he probably, knowing that that was something he would have to face once he did.
00:37:04
Yeah. He's just like, fuck it. How did he get paroled if he wasn't even fucking like reformed or like?
00:37:11
I mean, right? These are the questions that we ask every fucking episode. No, but here's the gross part or a grosser part.
00:37:19
in April 1988, the tabloid television program, A Current Affair, obtained and broadcast a home
00:37:24
video showing Chambers at a party when he was free on bail. So this was before the trial.
00:37:31
And he was shown in the video playing with four lingerie clad girls, choking himself with his
00:37:36
hands while making loud gagging noises, twisting a Barbie doll's head off and saying in a falsetto,
00:37:42
my name is Oops, I Think I Killed It. What? And there is a movie called The Preppy Murderer
00:37:48
starring William Baldwin and Laura Flynn Boyle as Jennifer Levin. Oh no. That you can watch if you want to hear even more of that hideous story.
00:37:58
That makes me so sad. I want to know, I want to know how, I want to know how his parents,
00:38:04
how they reacted, what they're doing now. They keep in touch with him. I want to know everything.
00:38:10
Well, and also there was a ton of like, to me, this is about, he, he was very Catholic.
00:38:15
he had a lot of family in the catholic church in new york city there was a lot of like angler
00:38:20
not anglican but his catholic priests coming forward and people kind of attesting because
00:38:25
he was this fucking altar boy yeah it was all that shit and it's to me it's the sexuality issue
00:38:32
between the catholics and jewish people where it's a healthy normal thing to have sex and be
00:38:37
sexual she was jewish and he was catholic yep and i think it was there was that cultural thing
00:38:42
of like yeah but she deserved it yeah or she was loose or she did stuff like this or she was like
00:38:49
asking for it she was asking for it i mean the the tying up thing is interesting to me because
00:38:53
all right let's say you were going to go into central park to fool around when you're drinking
00:38:58
like you just have a quick fuck you don't you don't role play and get in you know what i mean
00:39:03
like i can't imagine someone being like let's get let's get so complicated into like our sex
00:39:09
acts that we get that we play with bondage in a park maybe at home but not in a park not in a park
00:39:15
and also in my opinion the way that her clothes were does not sound like she was she was um
00:39:22
complicit in what was happening totally her shirt and bra being pulled up to her neck yeah everything
00:39:28
just seems like i get it if it's a quickie you leave your clothes on and pull your skirt up fine
00:39:32
you know what i mean like it's that kind of shit and then being bitten all over like nothing
00:39:36
lines up no to anything being casual sex at all no it's violent absolutely not it is so he's still
00:39:45
in prison then he's still in prison thank god yeah and i think it's um i don't know it makes
00:39:51
me happy that people were protesting but i think it's a really good thing of when you get
00:39:55
fed a story of like rough the the whole idea of rough sex was completely a fabrication on his part
00:40:02
and then this fucking newspaper just runs with it yeah so it's like oh they they had rough sex
00:40:07
and it went out of control no no no yeah she thought she was gonna have a fun makeout session
00:40:11
with the cutest guy in the bar and he fucking killed her i wonder where they got the information
00:40:15
they had dated before because that suggests that she was like willing willing so i wonder if that's
00:40:20
even true well what it means that they'd like maybe they went out you know on a date yeah exactly
00:40:26
to me when it's hot when it says like well they went out before it's like well they had screwed
00:40:29
before and they were going to screw again in the park so maybe that wasn't true and yeah he raped
00:40:34
her because it sounds like they had had sex before from the information but that could not be true at
00:40:39
all well also you know what makes me think of is like this we all like people for superficial
00:40:45
reasons at first so it's like it's the tall really good looking guy who i'm sure was incredibly
00:40:50
charming because he knew how to mix in and blend in to make sure he could fit in with the rich kids
00:40:56
and so i'm sure it's that thing of like the guy that you love in the bar but then when shit get
00:41:03
goes down and like it's like they're making out he can't get hard it's her fucking fault totally
00:41:08
it's that creepy thing where it's like you don't know who people really are until like
00:41:13
the shit goes down especially if you had coke dick yeah everyone knows what coke dick is right
00:41:18
i hope so that'll be a very special episode i hope people who listen to this know that because
00:41:24
otherwise it's just people that shouldn't be listening to this at all uh so that's mine wow
00:41:31
i had never heard of that one really i couldn't read when it happened so maybe that was kept away
00:41:38
from me yeah probably yeah and it's so you know they made it as sordid as possible yeah god that's
00:41:45
So off. Whew. Okay, that was some real live 80s bullshit right there. I mean obviously we were new at this because I sang Cyndi Lauper Yeah You not allowed to do that No we don do it like that anymore You certainly cannot do that No Yeah this is an awful case obviously
00:42:06
I said it in the episode. Robert Chambers went to prison for first-degree manslaughter.
00:42:10
He was released in 2003. He served the whole sentence. Then he went back to prison on a drug charge and an assault conviction unrelated to the case.
00:42:20
He was released from prison in July of 2023 at the age of 56. He served 15 years on that drug charge and assault conviction. And he's going to remain under strict parole guidelines until at least 2028.
00:42:38
This case is so upsetting the way they dragged her name in the press and made it, you know, it's one of those. But look at this bright young man and his future.
00:42:48
And meanwhile, that she started to talk about basically her reputation. Yeah. Like, it's so craven.
00:42:56
I will use that word because it's disgusting. And the idea that you're going to both sides rape and strangulation is just like, sorry, what are you doing?
00:43:05
The like we were having consensual rough sex in the park excuse is so in the middle of the fucking night.
00:43:14
You know, it's just so absurd. It's worth an argument. It's worth kind of saying, hey, as a member of the press, we're not going to entertain his defense argument as an actual headline.
00:43:26
Totally. As truth. Yikes. Horrifying. Oh, the 80s. I mean, it's just weird. And I think there's young people today, they just don't understand where we've come from.
00:43:39
They don't like that idea where that was normal to us. That was seeing things like that in the media where it's like, well, but what did she do to deserve it?
00:43:48
Totally. Was absolutely the way we grew up. Yeah, absolutely. What was she wearing?
00:43:53
If you don't do this, you won't be like that, too. So make sure you're whatever the way, you know, an innocent, quote, person would act and you'll be fine.
00:44:02
And that it just went unquestioned for years. It's like that's what we came up on.
00:44:06
And it's just especially seeing it in the light of day now. It's so gross. It's reprehensible.
00:44:13
It is. Okay, now we're going to listen to Georgia's story about this story drives me insane.
00:44:19
I know. Like, I hadn't heard of this story until I found it on the Facebook group.
00:44:23
And now I hear about it all the time, thankfully. I just couldn't believe how under the radar it was as someone who's interested in true crime that I had never heard about it.
00:44:31
And it needs to be solved and it needs to be talked about more. It's still not solved.
00:44:35
Yeah. All right. Let's listen to Georgia's story about the Keddie murders in Cabin 28.
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00:47:11
You know about it. But I had never heard of this one. And it's so intense and fucked up that I wanted to talk about it in case other people hadn't heard it, too, because I want to ruin everyone's life.
00:47:23
Yeah, I'm so excited. And I guess there's like fucked up photos online that you could see of the crime scene with the bodies.
00:47:28
The ones I saw, the bodies are blacked out. But you can see certain things about it, too.
00:47:34
And I guess the photos are really troubling. And I'm shocked that I didn't click on it.
00:47:38
Yes. Do you mind if I guess? Yes. Is it Cabin 23, the Keddie murders? It sure is.
00:47:42
Fuck yes. I only know very little. It's Cabin 28. Oh, see, I don't know that much.
00:47:49
But I love this one because it's so fucking weird and mysterious. And it's not that far from your hometown, right?
00:47:56
It is. Well, it's hours in, but it's like, um central california which is a very weird area northern central california is like no man's land
00:48:07
totally totally i mean it's it's back for california it's backwoods yes which is so
00:48:14
surprisingly you come to la and you go to san francisco and you you know you all these little
00:48:19
towns and you don't think it's like that but then you that nope yeah there's a lot of little towns
00:48:24
little mining towns and such where people just stayed and cooked meth that's exactly right it's
00:48:28
like bikers and drugs essentially please don't kill us um there's definitely good bikers out there
00:48:34
there's very good bikers out there for sure i'm just making sure that okay all right so the keddie
00:48:40
murders k-e-d-d-i-e it's an unsolved 1981 american quadruple homicide that occurred in
00:48:48
keddie california which was a former resort town in the foothills of california's sierra nevada
00:48:54
and so it was kind of it seemed like this little lake or this little forested area with cabins a
00:49:01
bunch of cabins this the murder took place in cabin 28 during the late evening of april 11th
00:49:07
1981 or the early morning of the 12th so there were three victims as i said the the first one
00:49:12
was sue her name was glenna sue sharp and she was 36 and her son john who was 15 and john's friend
00:49:19
Dana Wingate, who was 17. And at some point after the crime, it was realized that Sue's daughter,
00:49:28
Tina, who was 12, was missing. So what happened was Sue Sharp and her five children had been
00:49:35
renting the cabin since November 1980. And on the night of April 11th, it's so complicated because
00:49:41
Sue is home with her two youngest boys who are little kids. And a friend of theirs named Justin
00:49:46
was staying the night. So there were three little kids in the back bedroom, three boys.
00:49:51
And this is a tiny cabin. You can see pictures online of the crime scene and what a small
00:49:54
cabin it was. And Tina came home. Their oldest, Sue's oldest daughter stayed at the cabin
00:50:02
next door, which is always like, you know, like the chances, man. Yes. You know, and
00:50:07
Tina, the 12 year old was wanting to stay with them. And they were like, no, we want
00:50:11
to, you know, we're the older girls. We want to be alone. Which like the guilt that she
00:50:15
must have carried with her the worst for the older sister for the rest of her life um so it's 10 p.m
00:50:22
and the next morning the older sister sheila comes home and finds sue and her brother and
00:50:31
her brother's friend dana just brutally murdered brutally murdered um let's see they had all all
00:50:39
three victims had been bound with medical tape and electrical appliance wire over 22 feet of
00:50:45
medical tape of varying widths were found on the bodies and there was no medical tape in the house
00:50:50
so it came from somewhere else um the bodies had been bludgeoned with hammers two distinct
00:50:57
sized hammers so two different hammers um and sue and john have been stabbed repeatedly including
00:51:03
stab wounds to the throat which is like fuck stabbiness man um is that gonna be a inspirational
00:51:12
no it is to me like stabbing in the head and neck is like because how long does it take to die from
00:51:22
a stab wound dude i don't know but that it just makes me think of my favorite show i survived and
00:51:26
there are people who talk about being stabbed in the head and it actually isn't so bad for the
00:51:31
person because there aren't that many nerves in your head but but of course it is i mean i'm that's
00:51:38
terrible thing to say no not bad but i mean like but yeah it's horrifying just being stabbed is
00:51:44
horrifying i know a guy who got his his fucking throat slit and survived i want to meet that he
00:51:50
was at the beach with his friends and some like fucking psycho like meth had gotten a fight with
00:51:57
him and he was walking away and the guy came up behind him and fuck he has like a gnarly like
00:52:01
tried to kill him whoa guys can we just say this right now don't do meth absolutely meth is like
00:52:10
it's basically meth is like devil powder it's boiling it's like boiling your brain and all
00:52:16
your your fucking logical thinking it's not good if you're if you have a temper to begin with it's
00:52:21
just gonna fuck coke too don't snort shit yeah no don't snort it but but meth i have a friend
00:52:27
dave who was on meth for years and he couldn't get off of it because it's insanely cheap and it's
00:52:33
highly addictive and yet it's there's shit in it that should never be in the human body no
00:52:38
oh my god trash in it we do not condone meth on this podcast absolutely not no way we don't
00:52:45
condone murder either even for our own entertainment please we're against it yeah you want to discuss
00:52:52
it though we do um but if you guys murder someone and it's like you blame it on my favorite murder
00:52:58
we will not talk about it let's just agree that right now yeah you won't get famous on this no
00:53:02
we will not talk about it that's good we should have said that in the beginning if this is somehow tied to the facebook group to fuck if you guys they keep wanting to have
00:53:13
meetups oh we're we have nothing to do with that we're not going to talk about it we don't i don't
00:53:17
condone a meetup from my favorite murder group unless it's going to a live show that we're doing
00:53:22
and even then please don't murder us guys please be just be careful oh my god be careful don't get
00:53:27
stabbed in the head anyway keep going anyways stabbed in the head um we actually that like
00:53:34
that going off like that is a little messy of us yeah which part how we just didn't went down
00:53:42
that path well we both had like three cups of coffee yeah that's very lunch we both yeah i had
00:53:46
a lot of coffee. So found near John's body was a flimsy table knife and a bloody hammer,
00:53:53
seven-inch butcher knife was found nearby as well Fuck man Seven butcher knife Examination of the body is to determined that each of the victims had been bludgeoned with I already said all that
00:54:05
Stab wounds to the throat. Dana, the boy who was the friend, was manually strangled to death and bludgeoned with another weapon
00:54:14
while Sue was bludgeoned with a rifle brought by the killers. Which is such a weird...
00:54:20
One pellet from that rifle... fired from the rifle along with several pieces of the barrel sights. I don't know what that is.
00:54:29
I can imagine. We're removed from the scene, but the rifle itself was never recovered.
00:54:34
The barrel sights are the little things that stick up that help you aim at the end of the
00:54:37
barrel when you're shooting. Are you a murderer? No country. It's just, that's like BB gun,
00:54:43
you know, like rifle stuff. I think I'm right. I'm pretty sure. I believe it. Don't correct us.
00:54:51
that's our new thing we never want to be correct don't correct us it's gonna be on the back of the
00:54:56
shirts we make if we're wrong let it be yeah don't be a know-it-all a bloody knife is also
00:55:02
found among evidence found in the trap okay so so basically the cops completely bungled this
00:55:08
investigation so tina is missing she's the 12 year old girl um which they didn't realize right away
00:55:14
and um because the whole fucking family's dead right well the three boys in the back
00:55:20
are fine and alive and supposedly didn't hear anything but there's conflicting evidence there's
00:55:25
a bloodstain on the door of the kid's room and and this one of the main suspects
00:55:32
his son was one of the kids in the back room so why wouldn't he kill that kid and it's also there's
00:55:40
also you know who who was the target of this murder and why and it's thought that sue the mom
00:55:47
was because she knew something maybe about drug making. Maybe she was, you know, one of the prime suspects' wife hated her
00:55:56
and didn't know that the boys would be home because I guess they were at a local bar and hitchhiked home
00:56:04
and weren't expected to be home. So this murderer might have come in to either rape her or something
00:56:09
and didn't expect Tina, the little 12-year-old girl, would be sharing a room with the mom, so then had to kidnap her.
00:56:17
So she's gone. She's found four years. She's found in 1984. Her skull and several other bones were recovered in Butte County.
00:56:30
And was that far away? I don't know. But the skull was initially found and they thought it was of a young boy and an anonymous caller called twice and said it's actually Sue or it's actually Tina.
00:56:44
and guess how many tapes they lost of that recording both of them all all of them so the
00:56:53
anonymous caller no trace of him um it also is said it doesn't matter i know it's also said that
00:57:01
a teacher had an obsession with tina so maybe that was the case because she was missing but
00:57:08
they were able to uh age the skull she was the same age she was killed pretty much right away
00:57:13
so it's not like she was stolen and kidnapped and held kept yeah yeah so she was killed um let's see
00:57:20
so the boys but okay the boys were found uninjured the case grew cold um let's see they released the original and backup copy of the audio the anonymous call to an
00:57:35
undisclosed member of law enforcement and they were released to the same person and they disappeared
00:57:40
let's see the murders remain unsolved although it's active because good old fucking reddit
00:57:47
yeah it's like on the case yeah and this is where i got a lot of information from including
00:57:52
the um the main um suspects which is martin smart and his friend john bow bed b-o-u-b-e-d
00:58:05
Bobidi Bobidi so smart was a next door neighbor who was good friends with the local sheriff like
00:58:10
besties with the local sheriff right and and it was smart's stepson who was staying in the cabin
00:58:17
who was the little kid in the back oh and then when he was questioned by law enforcement enforcement
00:58:21
he slipped up and said um he's quiet enough to where he could have noticed something without me
00:58:28
detecting him indicating your stepson was a quiet kid that might have been might have seen you
00:58:35
at a murder scene right and then those other kids that little the little other little kids
00:58:40
terrified yeah oh my god oh my god right let's see and then bode bode obede had fbi connections
00:58:47
and was federally prosecuted because some of organized crime shit so this guy was a fucking
00:58:53
criminal as well and it's like i was reading this shit and there are so many criminals that were in
00:58:59
this town that it was like a multitude of suspects could have been even um let's see hold on
00:59:06
let's see there were questions circumstantial evidence but they're reopening the case
00:59:12
oh and but they've both died of national natural causes since then those two suspects yeah which
00:59:18
is like such a bummer that uh when when when the main suspects die yeah and even when they keep
00:59:25
searching and like come to the conclusion it's just it's such a bummer well what's super weird
00:59:30
to me is usually when people get killed because they find out something they're not supposed to
00:59:35
know about say a case or a drug deal or whatever you don't get bludgeoned and and stabbed a bunch
00:59:43
of times that's personal that's true and so sue's body was tied up in a way that was super sexual
00:59:49
but she wasn raped she was basically found naked from the waist down splayed open in a in a humiliating manner which is like it almost like they wanting the person who finds them to be you know freak the fuck out Yeah
01:00:05
Luckily, the older sister was smart enough to make the little boys in the back room come
01:00:10
out of the window so they didn't have to see this scene. And the other thing is the kid, the kid who, who wasn't part of the family, his head was
01:00:21
placed on like a pillow. So it's almost like they were taking care of him as if they knew him.
01:00:28
And he and he wasn't killed in the same manner that the other kids were killed. Like he was basically just a witness and had to go.
01:00:35
Right. So maybe they were, you know, it sounds like someone was pissed off at this woman and this family and fucking sent some kind of message to whom.
01:00:43
I don't know. It's also said that there's a so there's a sketch of a suspect that I think one of the kids drew because they did say they saw someone.
01:00:53
or one of the kids. And it looks a lot like, it's very similar to Ng and Lake. And they lived about four hours south of Keddie,
01:01:04
which is of course the big serial killers. And if you look at the sketch online,
01:01:09
it fucking looks like them. Apparently, Charles Ng might've been in prison at the time,
01:01:13
although it's kind of unclear. Wait, it's a sketch of one person or two people? I can't really tell.
01:01:20
It might be a sketch of one person in two different looks. Oh, I see. But it does definitely look like Lake.
01:01:26
What was Lake's first name? Leonard Lake. Leonard Lake. Thank you, my Lord. I was so proud that I just thought of that.
01:01:32
I know. I'm really impressed with you. I never remember anything. I don't either.
01:01:35
We're perfect for having podcasts, right? Sure. So in this past couple months, the Plumas County Sheriff Greg Hagward has said,
01:01:46
we're arriving at points where we're going to be taking some next steps in the case and they're
01:01:51
crediting reddit yes they're like straight up like it's because these fucking people have become
01:01:56
obsessed with the case and are like dissecting it completely it's pretty amazing they tore down
01:02:01
the cabin recently because people were just like fucking going there all the time um hagwood said
01:02:07
there are people some still living in the county who know what happened and were possibly involved
01:02:11
whether directly or after the fact. And circumstantial evidence was never enough to charge these two guys that everyone thinks did it.
01:02:22
And so Dana Wingate, the kid who was a friend who came over, was not killed in the same fashion as the other two.
01:02:28
He was beaten but not stabbed. He was strangled and was made comfortable by receiving a cushion from the couch to rest his head on prior to the execution.
01:02:36
And you can see photos where like his head is blacked out, but you can see that his head is on a fucking pillow.
01:02:43
And they're all like next to each other, too, which is so awful to see each other die that way.
01:02:48
Okay. So the last thing I want to say about this is that so John and Dana, the two boys who were killed, the two men who were killed, were last seen walking along State Route 70 near Quincy.
01:02:59
So they were on their way home. And the crime may have already been in progress when they arrived at home.
01:03:04
So I feel like Sue was the target, whether it was for rape or some kind of revenge or something like that.
01:03:14
I think maybe she wasn't even supposed to get killed. So it sounds to me like it was botched.
01:03:20
And then they walked in and the whole thing turned into like some kind of like a fight where then they had to kill everybody.
01:03:26
Yeah, it sounds like it. Except for the kids in the back who maybe was one of the suspects, kid, stepson.
01:03:34
fucked up fucked up oh and someone on um reddit wrote uh ketty holds many skeletons in its closet
01:03:42
there were in 1981 so many potential perps in town that you could have stood in the main street
01:03:46
thrown a dart with your eyes closed and hit one the sharp family were in this idyllic little resort
01:03:52
town surrounded by child blasters drug runners professional criminals corrupt cops and business
01:03:57
men habitual transient and at least one known serial killer fuck i know who's the known serial
01:04:03
killer do you know i don't know i love that i know i had his name but i had never heard of him
01:04:08
and i forgot to look him up that's incredible i know it's so um because it makes me think that
01:04:16
they're reopening it now not of course because the reddit thing i love the way this is like
01:04:21
people are just be like fine if you're not going to solve it we're going to fucking solve it yeah
01:04:25
and everyone keeps coming to the same conclusion yeah that's amazing but also if it was an inside
01:04:29
job or if it was some kind of like corrupt cop situation, those people, it's like their
01:04:34
power is gone. And so there's like new blood that's like, yeah, we can't have this just sitting and
01:04:40
being like defining our town. Well, actually, the main the new sheriff was around back then.
01:04:46
He initially got fired before the murders because he said something inflammatory against
01:04:51
the then sheriff who was like, you're out of here. But then when he got back on the, he was reinstated, they forbade him from researching this case.
01:05:01
Huh. So now. That's weird. Yeah. Now that he's the sheriff, he's like super fucking into it.
01:05:07
It is on. And it's on. I wonder how much evidence is missing, like those tapes. Like, I wonder how much people fucked with it.
01:05:15
Yeah. How hard it's going to be. You know what I mean? Well, the fact that the main suspect was one of the sheriff's like best buds and evidence got lost says so much about it.
01:05:30
Yeah, that's very suspicious. Yeah, evidence doesn't just get lost. Right. You know how I first found out about this murder?
01:05:37
And it surprised me because it is in California, although it really is like a different state.
01:05:41
Totally. That part of California is like, there's just no one lives up there. And then the people that do are the people who are trying to get away.
01:05:48
Absolutely. Essentially. But did you ever see the movie The Strangers? Oh, it's based on that.
01:05:53
Well, that's what they say. But they were like because The Strangers was billed as a true story But then when I after I saw The Strangers I was like that was so fucking crazy What the true story And they basically like the Manson murders and the Keddie cabin murders
01:06:07
So I never saw that movie. It's not similar at all. Well, it's just people killing other people for no reason, essentially.
01:06:15
It's the loosest version of it based on a true story. Well, there is a documentary about this murder that came out in 2004
01:06:21
that I think it was some kind of teacher was teaching his kids how to make a documentary
01:06:26
and someone suggested this murder and the guy, the teacher got obsessed with it.
01:06:29
So I guess there's a pretty good documentary online. You probably find it on YouTube.
01:06:33
I think it's called Cabin 28. Cabin 28. And it's just all the details of the murder.
01:06:37
Love it. Yeah. I'm going to watch that. Yeah. This was a good one. This was fun.
01:06:41
I liked this one a lot. What should our next theme be? We should pick it at the end of every episode.
01:06:46
Do you think? Let's do the 90s. Let's just go through the net. honestly yeah let's do the 90s should we yeah okay great because i found a lot of good ones
01:06:55
and every time i saw a year which one was like damn it that actually happened to me too it was
01:06:59
always like either the 70s or the 90s when i was looking okay let's do the 90s this time and then
01:07:03
maybe we can do some the 70s next time i wonder if there was like in the 90s there was some oh
01:07:08
i was just gonna say if there's a rave murder or a junko jeans murder and we both know there was
01:07:12
yeah there was that amazing michael is it selig murder yeah that was crazy party monster is a good
01:07:20
party monster is a great movie that's based on that i'm sure everyone has seen it that's
01:07:24
listening to this but oh my god it's dark i went to raves and war jinko's so dude it's just once
01:07:30
again it brings i hate to be like i don't want to sound like the church lady or anything because
01:07:34
i've done plenty of drugs in my life but they really are no one talks about how it's like oh
01:07:40
pot is the gateway drug to you know harder drugs but harder drugs are the gateway drug to murder
01:07:45
they really are yeah i don't think i'm not gonna say this because it's not true but no one's no
01:07:50
one's fucking killed anyone on pot that's not true at all yeah i'm sure it's 100 but you know
01:07:55
what it is it's like someone's car just strangely listed over into you know like a guy riding a bike
01:08:01
or something it's just purely from being out of it did you hear that they just pulled two cars
01:08:06
from like the 50s and 60s out of a lake. And six people were found total. And they were like missing people.
01:08:13
No. And these are my favorite. Yeah. Altogether? No, their cars were side by side.
01:08:19
They were like years apart. But they just drove into this lake. And they pulled these two cars out.
01:08:23
You can see the resting remains of these cars online. Do you remember what city or what state?
01:08:27
I want to say Michigan because everything happens in Michigan. But that could be totally wrong.
01:08:30
Could be Ohio. Everything happens in Ohio. Everything. Oh, wait, which reminds me.
01:08:34
This is my favorite thing I read on the Facebook page. And so everyone else probably already read it, but I just want to say this because it's so fucking awesome.
01:08:41
So there have been all these bodies washing up in this small town in Ohio in the Rust Belt.
01:08:46
And there's a bunch of articles about it. There was a guy who posted my hometown murder because I think that's probably where he's from.
01:08:52
And then someone did an update, which is an article from Jezebel about how a sex worker in Las Vegas shot a guy that was trying to murder her.
01:09:01
And she killed him. And it turned out he had a full on murder kit in his car. he had no money to pay her he had bleach he had handcuffs he had all this all this stuff there was
01:09:11
no way it wasn't a murder done it before he had done it before he had told her he was going to
01:09:15
jail for a very long time right before he thought he was going to kill her and he had been a um
01:09:22
security guard at hoover dam which creeped me out for some reason so badly it's because when people
01:09:28
are in some kind of power or authority you you trust them yeah but they think that this guy might
01:09:35
be connected to those Rust Belt murders because he has been in both places. Or at least they're like thinking that if he wasn't connected to that, he's definitely
01:09:44
killed people before. And she grabbed his gun in some kind of tussle, right? Yep.
01:09:49
He was strangling her and she got his gun away from him and shot him dead. Good for her.
01:09:54
Fuck yeah. Listen, if you're going to fight back, you got to shoot to kill. Do it.
01:09:59
He's going to kill you. I think about that often. And like, if I had the chance to, if I had that chance, I would shoot someone in the
01:10:05
fucking head. I wouldn't shoot them in the leg and debilitate them. Also, it would be very difficult if you were not a trained professional to then be like,
01:10:13
here's how I'm going to incapacitate this person. It's like someone's trying to kill you.
01:10:16
You try to kill them. That's just like. Well, Karen knows how to use a gun. So don't fucking come after her.
01:10:21
Apparently, I just learned that today. Yeah. Every podcast, I'm going to reveal a little bit more and then it's going to turn out that
01:10:29
I too am a serial killer. What if you killed me? Oh, you know, the safety that you just flip the safety off.
01:10:35
What if in our 100th episode you murder me? I feel like it would be a great ending.
01:10:39
I don't see what the problem is. Let's say 200. Okay. Okay. Or 250. Okay. All right.
01:10:44
We have to finish. Okay. Thanks for listening, you guys. Facebook, Twitter. This and that.
01:10:51
You know where to find us. Thanks for being there. Thanks for listening. Okay. Bye.
01:10:56
Stay sexy, Karen. Don't get murdered. I think this is a very, like, you and I being honest about drugs and alcohol and the actual experience that we had, that kind of thing of, like, don't do meth.
01:11:16
Yeah. Don't do meth. Take it from us. Don't do meth. Don't do it. Just don't do it is, I mean, yeah, I don't know.
01:11:24
Added to the list of things we just didn't know we were doing. Right. Yeah. Innocent.
01:11:29
But it's like, what if us talking about that's going to help a 13-year-old not do it?
01:11:34
I hope so. All right. Well, 13. God, you're young. I know. I know. So young. So unfortunately, there's no updates on this case.
01:11:41
And I think that the investigation was so bungled that, like, there's just not a lot of,
01:11:46
it's just, yeah, I wish it would be solved. It seems like everyone kind of knows who did it, but I don't think that'll ever be,
01:11:53
I don't think they'll be brought to justice, unfortunately. You mean because, like, the people in the town?
01:11:57
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think it's clear when You tell, like when you read about the story, who did it?
01:12:02
Yeah. Who had motive, who had opportunity, who had means. It's like clear. Right.
01:12:06
But yeah, who knows? Got to have that evidence. Yeah. Got to have it. Because also sometimes it's clear and then that isn't the person.
01:12:14
Right. That's a very good point. Yes. Which is like, it's almost, and I don't know what qualifies as like a mass murder.
01:12:21
I'm sure there's a very specific number. But it's killing so many people. Yeah. It's just why.
01:12:27
And children. Horrifying. awful. And also you mentioned in which this is also very fascinating. Aaron pointed out that in
01:12:34
the show, you mentioned that there was a serial killer up there at the time. Right. People were
01:12:39
saying, but no one knows who that serial killer is. I do. It's Leonard Lake. So he was just like,
01:12:45
he lived up there. I don't know if he, I know he was up there at some point. And then one of the
01:12:49
kids drew a sketch of the killer and it looked like Leonard Lake. Oh, okay. All right. Well,
01:12:54
So should we get to what the title would be? I mean, 13 going on Murdy, it's pretty hard to top that.
01:13:00
It is. It's tough. But, you know, that's a professional sitcom writer. Yeah, totally.
01:13:05
There's pink triangles and light blue dots, which was me explaining what the 80s were like.
01:13:10
That's exactly it. It really was. And then appetizer happy hour, which is you saying that before we get into the main course of the show, we talk about the tabloid and all that stuff.
01:13:19
It's the appetizer happy hour. Two of my favorite fucking things in one. For real.
01:13:24
You know. I think Owen still wins. Yeah, I don't know. I'm going to top it. They just can't.
01:13:30
Well, thanks for listening to this episode of Rewind, you guys. We really appreciate you listening and enjoying if you do.
01:13:37
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