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10-10 shots fired in City Hall building. How could this have happened in City Hall?
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Somebody tell me that. A shocking public murder. This is one of the most dramatic events
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Those are shots. A tragedy that's now forgotten. And a mystery. that may or may not have been political,
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This is our not-so-new-anymore Wednesday episode where we rewind to our earliest episodes and contemplate everything that has changed since 2016.
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That's right. And today we're visiting episode 14 from Thursday, April 28th, 2016, and it's called You Sexy Mother 14.
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That's a good one. That is a good one. That is a good one. And also, we finally hit our stride with actually consistently releasing on Thursdays.
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It's like we were learning the trade of podcasting. You know, it's like how TV shows, they show up on that one day and then people know to be there for them.
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Yeah, it's the simple mathematics of podcasting. Yeah, well, we finally got on. We did. And look at us now.
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Look. So, okay, it's time for you to get your tennis instructor, your favorite member of your book club, and your favorite Libra to listen along, because now we can all be day one listeners.
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And as day one listeners, let's listen to the very beginning of episode 14. Every episode I'm going to terribly sing a bad song.
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That'll be my new thing. Do you mind? No, because every episode you sing a good song.
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My notebook is so far away. I'm trying to reach my notebook. Georgia just stood up and it looked like she was starting to do stand-up comedy.
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We were both laying on the couch and then she jumped up and took a pose. I was like, can I make it to this dresser and get my notebook?
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Oops. Without. And then, yeah, it looked like stand-up comedy. Do you ever get it?
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Because those are your notes from your, you're watching your show with the famous lawyers.
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Hey, let's get right into it. Okay. I was trying to do a long introduction, but now I can't remember their names.
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By the way, this is my favorite murder. Oh, hi. Yes. Hi, guys. With Karen in Georgia.
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Welcome to episode 14. That's Karen. I'm Georgia. Yeah. Do you want to give a shout out real quick before you can start to the name of that?
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Because we started naming the episodes weird things, and now we're just on it. Now we're just trying to make each other laugh.
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And when we think of it, it's just basically a pun contest. The teens are hard. The teens are pretty tough.
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And last week, 13 Going on Murdy is the episode title that my friend Owen Ellickson DM'd me on Twitter and basically just said it was right after the number 12 dropped.
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he just DM'd and it said, next week should be 13 going on Murdy. And you texted me that and I was like, yep.
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There's no way it's not going to be. Can we have a contest for like, so we don't have to think of them anymore?
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Like people writing us. Sure. Like 14. What is 14? What if we just open this whole podcast up
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and have other people do it? What if all of it just, it's all, what are they called?
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Moderated. It's all moderated by other people. It's moderated, produced, and talked through.
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researched and then performed by. Yeah. That'd be fun. But it's by Karen and Georgia.
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Yeah. We'll still own it. We'll own the copyright. Speaking of, I just bought the rights to Michael Ramstead's adorable drawing.
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Oh, yes. Of my favorite murder. The one, if you see the drawing of the two of us lying,
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it's a cute little cartoony drawing of us lying prone with like murder weapons around us.
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That's the one on the Facebook page. Yeah. Michael Ramstead. Who's like this fucking incredible,
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like incredible artist drew it just for fun because he's a nice guy thanks michael ramstad
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and i was like hey can i buy that from you so we can make t so in the next few weeks hopefully Oh yeah because we got some spec t right Yeah there already a mock of the t
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It's like, it's happening. You guys, you can have a t-shirt. Pretty soon. We'll all wear t-shirts around town.
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Yeah, and if we see you, we'll murder you. Yeah, that's how we'll know, to murder each other.
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That'd be amazing. What if that was the thing? Like, this whole thing turns into a crazed cult
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where everyone just murders each other. What's that cosplay thing where you like, there's people, like, if you're wearing a certain thing, you have to murder, you have to, like, tag that person, but it's pretend murder and then you're out of the game.
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Have you heard of that? Is it Dungeons and Dragons? No. It's close, though. Is it LARPing?
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Yes! Is it really? Live action role-playing! It's LARPing! How does she even know that?
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Is it the Renaissance Fair? I love nerds. I research their shit all the time. I want to know what they do on the weekends.
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LARPing. What a grand idea. Live action role-playing. Do you know that? That's so cool.
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Yeah. Well, we're nerds too. And you did something on the weekend. We're murder nerds.
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Murder nerds. I did do something. I went to see String and Buting. The ticket of the weekend.
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Everyone was talking about this show. Did I say that right? I think so. Okay, so they were the fence attorneys for Stephen Avery from Netflix, Making a Murderer.
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who, of course, if you saw it, you fell in love with them and are obsessed with them, as I am.
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They're good men trying to do good in an unjust world. Yeah. Defense attorneys as a whole, I think, are good people.
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I hope so. You know? I mean, I wouldn't want to park next to them in a Trader Joe's parking lot in general.
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Right. But that's an L.A. lawyer thing. I like that they're defending his right to a fair trial.
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They're not being like, he's innocent. They're like, you're doing these things wrong.
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You're doing everything wrong, state of Wisconsin. What I took away from this, and I was like, this might be stupid.
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I'm so sick of making a murderer. I have read about it to death, like other theories and shit.
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I was up on the show, like hardcore. I was like, I don't want to fucking hear audience questions about the cat getting burned for fucking two hours.
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in an uncomfortable chair. I spilled half a glass of wine on myself right when I walked in.
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Oh, good. Red or white? Oh, red, of course. Why would I spill white wine on myself?
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And you were wearing your white lace blouse? Yeah. And I started screaming. I was Carrie.
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It was great. So you were trying to make it as difficult as possible from the outset.
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Yep. And then what happened? It was excellent. If you have a chance to see it, everyone, go.
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like it was a real if you're interested to crime and and law fascinating a couple things i wrote
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down uh guess how many okay so witnesses who are uh exonerated because of a because of they were
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wrongfully convicted guess what out of 10 how many are overturned because of witness misidentification
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how many out of 10 i just said i almost just said the number it's it's 11 out of 10 um well eight is it some crazy high number it's seven which is still a lot
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i shouldn't ask people that because it's like they it's like if it's higher than i'm like oh well
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sorry i always ruin our games like this by overshooting and then it's kind of like well
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it is still pretty high though. It is seven. Yeah, that's crazy high. So seven out of 10 overturned convictions are because of witness
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misidentification. Yeah. They say eyewitness identification is one of the least reliable forms of
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what do you call it? Of a testimony. Sure. Or I feel like by the clues, what's the word I'm looking for?
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Evidence. That's right. There we go. Ding, ding, ding. We have a true crime podcast.
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We should know these nouns. I feel like by 2050, they're going to be like, how fucking antiquated was like 2010 and before that they fucking were relying on witness testimony.
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Yes, for sure. Well, because at that point, there will be so much CCTV cameras in every corner of our lives.
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That is a fair point. That's probably what it'll be. How do you feel about CCTV?
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I like it. I don't know. I don't. It's fine. I mean, I understand why people have a problem with it.
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But the idea that you think, and maybe there'll be a dystopian future where we live in some terrible government state where they watch everything you do.
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And it's all, you know, 1984. But for right now, that's how you fucking find the guy that walks up and hits someone on the back of the head and puts them in their car before anyone knows what happens.
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I feel like if you're a true crime fan, you agree with that. And I feel like if the laws are fair in general, then CCTV is okay.
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You know what I mean? If laws are like, you can't smoke cigarettes and they're arresting people who are smoking
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cigarettes on CCTV, you know, like once the laws get a little fucking crazier than, which
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is like, you can't really tell. So yeah. But I just, for now, anytime I watch a British, British procedural, I'm always like, well,
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they're going to get this on CCTV. There's no problem. Like my, it's, it's such a, it's such a comfort to me in my old age.
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The fact that they rely on like bank cameras, like that they, that, you know, when you see
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those that are like the bank camera caught the street for one second and saw this car
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drive by and that's how they knew this person wasn't where they said they were. Yeah.
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Like if you're going to rely on that and that's going to be admissible. Throw a camera up there.
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Fucking listen. I want to be safe. Who I mean are people is it just not wanting to be monitored and not wanting to introduce the concept of a police state like that Yeah But like it already happening It I think keeping citizens and it almost like
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I feel like people will do less horrible things outside if they know they're being watched.
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I know that's so naive. I think we're both, I think everyone in this whole conversation,
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whether they're forward against it is being naive because if they don't think the government is already fucking following every single thing they say,
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they're stupid. But if we think it's going to be okay that closed captioning, or closed captioning?
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It's not closed captioning. Brought to you by... I don't want deaf people to know what anyone is saying on parenthood.
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Speaking of, have you watched the new season of Happy Valley? Yes, I have. I had to put closed captioning on because it's so un...
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When the sister talks, you don't know what she's saying. It's a British procedural drama you guys should watch. It's fucking great.
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It's so good. I think people have talked about it on the Facebook page. Yeah. But yeah.
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I'm not done with the season yet, so don't tell me. It's great. I won't tell you anything.
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But it is Northern England, I believe. My Lord, what are they fucking saying? It's the craziest accent.
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And they said, there's a lot of stuff like this. It's that kind of, it's borderline Geordie, I think.
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What's that? It's a part, I don't know. Welsh or something like that. It's a crazy British accent.
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Let me see if there's something else from that. I wrote a couple notes, but I hadn't read wine by then.
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One out of five. Oh, so seven out of ten of the overturned convictions are from witness misidentification.
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One out of five overturned convictions come from jailhouse informants, which is like,
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yeah, dude. Yeah. If you're giving someone a fucking lenient, what's it called? A sentencing?
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Lenient sentence because they're informing on someone. but you know what I do love is I love when they like plant a cop as a prisoner yes and get that
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shit out yeah so then nobody there's nobody benefiting that could possibly be right it's a
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it's a lock right and if you're stupid enough to tell your cellmate which like so many people are
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stupid enough to tell their cellmate well they can't help it if you if they're that certain
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personality this the psychopath and the narcissist and all that that's what I find so fascinating is
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it really is not every single killer is like that but there is that there's a certain pattern
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especially like like uh murders that make no sense like murders that aren't of like
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that aren't domestic abuse that aren't like personal are these people are fucking crazy
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like when it's not out of quote passion which i hate saying that word because killing your fucking spouse isn't passion it's just it's just pure evil it should be called
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hysteria that's really what it is yeah that's that's that that is accurate it's a man going
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hysterical i read a thing recently um there's a chopper do you ever think that when you there's a
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helicopter over your house that it's like there's a loose criminal and they're gonna parkour oh
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that's why i moved out of silver lake because there was helicopters in my like this search
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light in my backyard every night i was like i can't handle it it's dumb uh crimes of passion and
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crimes of love like you can't call it that in the same way that someone i read recently that was like
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you can't call don't call it unconsensual sex because sex is sex right rape is rape and use
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the word rape right they so often use sex yeah they use euphemisms like in journalistically
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when it's like, when they're like, oh, they assaulted a child. You raped a child.
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Say the words together so that people understand what happened. Molesting is like such a vague term.
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I remember there was that documentary about that one priest who was like just sent from fucking church to church.
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Oh, that documentary is one of them. I think about it all the time. I wish I'd never watched it.
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Well, there's one kid in it who's like, you can tell he's like became a drug addict.
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was so fucked up off it and he says that guy didn't molest me he fucked me like he says that
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yeah like yes that's right that's exactly like people don't talk about that i'm so sorry for
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listeners who are listening with their children they're not well there was one woman who said she
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she was recommending it to her children but i was assuming it was because they were all adults right
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one would hope one would fucking hope um yeah no it's all of that i feel like this there's just
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waves of change because so many people have voices these days and people get to talk about this
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enough so that it does affect change but yeah there's nothing that makes me angrier than it was
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like accused of a sexual assault of a minor or it's like why are you rewording child rape yeah
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that's so strange yeah they did it they need to get called what they did but have you seen any of
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that news about dennis has start going to trial he's that um republican i think he was the speaker
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of the house and he's been molesting boys and raping boys. I just did it myself for years.
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Well, he was a wrestling coach in Illinois. It's just the craziest story, but he was one of the lead people that tried to get Clinton
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impeached when he had that affair. Meanwhile, fully raping boys. Somewhere in his head that makes sense to him.
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It has to. Otherwise, how do you live your life? like i feel like if you and i killed someone we would be if you and i stole something from a
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grocery store we would be like so rack whatever steal shit i don't care like you know what i mean
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like if i like well we have consciences this is these are people who like are sociopathic or
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they're so they just want what they want that so that they rationalize everything that they do
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that the bullshit that these guys that are that these old guys that have been in power for so long they used to it And you see these other Republicans defending him by saying
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there's one that said, I think it was Tom DeLay. Is that, is that who it is? I don't know anything
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about politics, but he said, we've all, we've, we all have personality flaws. Oh, that is not a personality flaw.
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It is not. It is not. It's, uh, there's no excuse i think it's i think it's become so um normal in our culture that like
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there are molesters out there and there are yeah but i feel like that more and more there's like
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it just makes me think now we're going off on the craziest tangent but it makes me think of like the
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franklin credit union scandal where for so long the people that tried to report that they were
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like you're out of your mind you're talking about government officials well now these government
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officials it's in the light of day all of these rich white old men who have been telling everybody
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how to live and what their value is for years and years are fucking monsters of the highest order
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it's crazy it's the people who are underrepresented and fucking striving just to make their families
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have a good life you know what they say that like that are the good people is what i mean
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sometimes they're not anyways um they say that like if you want to get into politics there's a
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part of you that's a narcissist to begin with yeah like you can't want to get into politics
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without having a little bit of fucking narcissism sure which makes sense to me like i don't want to
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lead a bunch of fucking people and bull and be a professional bullshitter and be on the take and
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And basically just lie to people so you can get to where you want to get. Yeah. Into a place of power.
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Like, who wants to be in a place of power? Well, and also what that power means, which it seems like the more we learn about it,
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it means that you go off to, like, Bohemian Grove and sacrifice a six-year-old to a big wooden owl and shit,
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where you're just like, sorry, what? That's a rough episode. If you guys want to hear more about this, what we're talking about,
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listen to the last podcast on the left episode. Bohemian Grove. bohemian grove and then uh what was the and the franklin credit union that yeah the way those guys
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did that and researched it is amazing it's like a two or three parter it's there's some shit that's
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hard to listen to like they get into the shit they get into it and there's a couple because they also
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have one that's like satanism in the government because they did a whole run about like like
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all the satanic panic in the 80s and all that shit and how these things that were once considered
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conspiracies are actually proving to be 100 true well it just sounds so ridiculous and obvious it
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sounds like we're jellyby offer of being like no the government is bad i'm like the government is
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jerry brown you know it's like that was that it was dead on one percent of our listeners were like
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yes she nailed that um the other ones don't know what the fuck i'm talking about uh so good
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wait anything else from the you it was at the ace hotel you tell you say yeah it was there well it
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wasn't they have this like feet up where are you pointing oh they have this like gorgeous theater
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at the ace hotel that they like fucking they stole they would because it was like a gorgeous theater
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to begin with and ace hotel was like um this is what i wrote because i love my little like
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crazy notes false evidence the most dangerous tool the cops use said strang yeah false evidence is
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the most dangerous he was these dudes were like is he the smaller one dean strang strang is a
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smaller one the other one looks like the eagle from the muppets yes and dean strang is like this
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sensitive poetry teacher that's just trying to yeah catch a break and can't believe he's like
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i'm just trying to teach you kids about poetry and you won't listen and like i mean these guys
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can't make a ton of money and i mean they're just justified like that they're so admirable that they
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are you know like what the things they were saying about how they're used to not they used to not
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allow um like even recordings voice recordings in a fucking uh interrogation oh wow which is like
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it's common fucking sense that you would, if you were a cop, you would want this to be recorded at
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least audio, if not video, my cat is just smelling everything about you right now.
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I love it. Um, because you're not doing anything wrong. And so you should, it's the same thing with
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the fucking closed captioning. Yes, that's right. But, but I mean, I was going to say,
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you know, in the, it, it immediately made me think of like LA confidential where it's like,
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You can't record it if you're not doing it on the books. And if cops are, you know, there's always that mentality of by any means necessary, you've got to get this perp.
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But that leaves out you could be wrong. And that's the problem that people, I think, that get into power like that.
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They lose the ability to question their own judgment. They lose the ability to be wrong.
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They're just like after what they think is, quote unquote, the truth. And it has to be their truth because they have to win.
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Well, that's false confessions. And they talked about Brendan Dassey, the nephew in Making a Murderer, who got, you know, who, quote, confessed.
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And, like, half of his testimony isn't videoed. You know, half of the shit that happened between them.
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And there's no parent there. And there's no lawyer there. He should – that shit should have all been stricken from the record.
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Like, that should not have been entered into anyone's – what is the word? entered into evidence evidence is the did we miss the word evidence twice in the true crime
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wow guys episode 14 is a real roller coaster 14 uh 14 we don't got it for for 14 the bell tolls. Nope. Dude, yes. Stop it. Don't do that. Yes. Do not condescend to me.
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14 the bell tolls. Okay, write on our Facebook page or tweet at us what number 15 should be.
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Please. Yeah. Please. But know that, but you're now in the realm of comedy writing and so you
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might get your feelings hurt. Just know that. We will insult. We're gonna read the worst ones
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and go with the best one. And we're going to name first, last, and middle names.
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Oh, it's going to be a bloodbath. We will not do any of that, you guys. Can you imagine?
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We just turn. We never even make it to episode 20 because we turn on everyone and ourselves.
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What if we just become huge bitches? What if we turn this podcast into a podcast called What If?
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And we just keep... It's just a shit ton of conjecture for an hour and 10 minutes.
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Like, what if? We had to say it like that. Like, what if? No, what if? Like, no.
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You don't even know. You don't... What if? Just keep going higher. Yeah. Let's do that.
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All right. Should we do our, did we do all of our house cleaning? Do we have any corrections?
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I feel like. For a corrections department. Like a murder enema. Like I just feel good right now.
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I got a true crime enema. That's good. I know. That'll clean you right out. I mean, not just whoosh.
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You know what I'm saying? Wow. so we mentioned that i bought the rights to michael ramstead's cartoon drawing of us which
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sounds so official and so like grown up and i'm like that doesn't sound like me i think i was just
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like can we use this here's some money sign this yeah that is very grown up i know i don't know i
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guess i was a merch fucking madman already had you done merch before no did i i don't know but
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Vince was not really into it also. Oh, yeah. Vince did like that all the time. Right.
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So I think I kind of understood. He's like, hey. Yeah. You got to pay some money.
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You got to buy the rights. Then you can use this image. Exactly. So I think, yeah, I was excited for that.
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So I think we should put that out, right? Oh, absolutely. Because that is a very cute picture.
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And if you saw us live and got to be in the VIP, it was our step and repeat kind of background for a little while.
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Yeah. We love that image. It's adorable. well, let's put it on some shirts. And we haven't sold that in a long time.
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And thank you again, Michael Ramstad, for being there with us in the early, early, early days.
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Yeah, you could find him on Instagram, Michael Ramstad. Great, dude. Sold me rights.
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I mean, did a full rights deal. Appreciate you. Oh, my God. Us talking about loving CCTV.
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I mean. Yeah. Sorry, it's true. I know. I mean, I don't want to like it because it's so invasive and it's so like anti, you know, basic privacy.
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I don't know. I mean, sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It seems weird to be loving it as we do in this episode.
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The only thing is when you look around, it's like if people care so much about privacy, then we got some serious fucking problems.
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because I was talking to my niece Sophie this weekend about Colin Farrell. It's the first TikTok that came on when I looked at TikTok later.
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It's like we carry around CCTV in our pockets. That's true. In a way. That's true.
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And if they help solve crimes and all that kind of thing, like, okay. Plus like ring cameras now and like doorbells.
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You can fucking see everything. It's all out there. Yeah. I don't know. Does it stop people from committing crimes?
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Maybe. Maybe. It would be interesting to know. Yeah. But to be full-throatedly like hooray for it, we're just like clearly no one is listening to us.
00:27:49
Clearly. Right. We didn't know. So the theme this week is 90s murders because we did 80s last week.
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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Do you want me to go first this year So this theme this theme is so last week we did 1980s murders which was like easy for both of us i feel like yeah and then we were like we gonna do 1990s
00:30:08
murders and then i feel like both of us today were like what the i can't find a 90s murderer
00:30:13
i can't i i was like i can't find one i don't have the will to live what did i do to my eyebrow
00:30:20
I did I have a lot of eyebrow problems this weekend I I can't I did something to my right eyebrow
00:30:27
I mean it's not filled in right now so you can see it I just did some bottom plucking you know
00:30:31
how sensitive I am about eyebrows it's got an arch it's got a nice arch this over here is okay
00:30:36
it looks like you're like you're being like inquisitive all the time I constantly want to
00:30:42
know something I tried to furrow my brow today to be like oh I understand to someone and they're
00:30:47
Like, are you mad at me because I have Botox? So I can't grow my brow correctly.
00:30:52
And I was like, maybe I need to lay off the Botox. Are you mad at me? I was like, no, this is concern.
00:30:59
You just can't tell because I have fucking, what are they called? I have just like chemicals.
00:31:04
Botulism in your muscles? Botulism in my forehead. You know what? LA 25. And you do.
00:31:12
Girl, you're wrinkle free. I because I can't live another day with wrinkles. No, I don't care.
00:31:20
Well, you're on that TV. I tell you, there's nothing worse. There's nothing worse than seeing what you're how your face does on HG.
00:31:29
What is it called? HD. HGTV. Oh, man. Take a look at your face on HGTV. Tiny House Hunters wrinkles.
00:31:36
The worst kind. You want to go first for me? Go first. I'll totally go first. Please go first.
00:31:40
first of all somebody tweeted this on the Twitter page at my fave murder if you'd love to join us over there
00:31:51
I think I got locked out somehow on my phone and I can't figure out how to get back
00:31:54
I do it and then I don't try to fix it that's my thing you try twice and you're like fuck this
00:32:00
and I'm like you know what fuck it but somebody did tweet this and it made me realize
00:32:05
because someone said something about murderpedia I think they were just mentioning it but they could have been saying i i'm on to you how you use that of all in all your
00:32:15
research which i absolutely i don't think they were but they could have been because i absolutely do
00:32:20
and murderpedia just as a recommendation if you ever want to know about a killer
00:32:24
it's this amazing website where they have compiled tons of articles in one spot so you can read like
00:32:30
local newspaper articles about the person that you are researching and there are links to every
00:32:36
article can you tell i'm furring my brow in anger right now you cannot but i also don't have my
00:32:42
glasses on okay and i'm wearing a french sleeve t-shirt so i'm slightly uncomfortable because i
00:32:48
have an intense farmer's tan there's so much going on in this apartment we should get someone to
00:32:53
paint it this ali says this apartment is like a youtube channel and so it's really hard to pay
00:32:59
attention to anything in here because there's just like cats and like cute vintage things it's so
00:33:04
true it's kind of aqua it's very aqua it's like it's like if you had a seizure issue well you do
00:33:09
oh shit no no it's fine if you were i haven't in years and i wouldn't in here it's pleasing okay
00:33:16
good i'm glad um so anyway i get all my research off murderpedia probably should have said that
00:33:21
probably should cite research but you know whatever we're doing a lot um credit credit
00:33:28
here credit there um so here's what i looked up i was trying to do i literally looked up myspace
00:33:36
murder just to see if there ever was one and there was but it didn't happen in the 90s somebody
00:33:41
actually committed a myspace murder in 2003 where i was like you're a day late and a dollar short
00:33:47
mr myspace hanging on to myspace way longer than necessary um i also uh because somebody suggested
00:33:56
on the Facebook page, very lightly looked into the Swedish black metal murders of Norway.
00:34:05
Sorry, not... Oh, somewhere in Sweden. And I thought, oh, that'd be kind of funny and interesting and whatever.
00:34:11
It's so dark. Yeah. It's just a culture of people who are all trying to out like crazy each other.
00:34:19
Like, we don't want to support those people. I just... Here's the one thing I will say about it that I do support.
00:34:26
part of the reason they started burning churches because they have some amazing really really old churches
00:34:32
but they were burning them because they had a kind of like really oppressive Christian culture in those countries
00:34:41
that really fucked up a lot of people. And so that I support. But did they think it through in that way?
00:34:48
Like this is what the message we're sending. No, it was probably just a bunch of fucking 19, 20 year olds.
00:34:53
It's hard to say because the stories I read around, like there was church arson, but then it went into like stories that I don't even want to repeat because they're just, it's just dark for darkness sake.
00:35:05
And then they would like record it or they record, you know, it's crazy shit that it's just like, I don't enjoy any of that because it's like.
00:35:12
We want the intricacies of fucked up things that have happened in the past. We don't really want to like highlight, highlight people doing things to get attention.
00:35:21
it's that's a real fuck you dad feel to all of their crimes so i was like yeah we did that with
00:35:28
to ourselves we don't need to fucking talk about it with other people exactly also you can't there's
00:35:33
like tons of really good books about it and you can go in down into that but that's also the part
00:35:38
of it i'm not interested in the gore yeah i like the story i like learning about the psychology
00:35:43
the gore is just you know yeah whatever i like acoustic folk rock music murders and i'm gonna
00:35:50
I like when someone from Beachwood Sparks murdered someone Have you ever heard of the Austin City Limits murders They insane All right so here what I landed on Okay And this I think this guy has it all
00:36:07
because I tried to look, I was trying to look for something that would spark a memory
00:36:12
where I'd be like, oh, I do remember that and I liked it. So I was looking at San Francisco murderers
00:36:16
or San Francisco serial killers. Oh, well, of course the Zodiac is all over that shit
00:36:21
and you can't get past it. Night Stalker a little bit too. Richard Ramirez was up there for a while.
00:36:26
But then I stumbled upon a killer named Joseph Nassau. And so this story has a little of all the things that we like.
00:36:35
And it pulls in a murder we've already talked about that he might be responsible for.
00:36:40
Oh, shit. There's a lot going on. But here's basically what happened. When this guy was 76 years old,
00:36:47
His parole or probation officers did a random visit at his house in Reno. And because he was like, it was some weapons violation or whatever.
00:36:59
And so they got to search the whole house because he had weapons and ammo. And they found hundreds, if not thousands, of photographs of nude women
00:37:12
who are posed in very unnatural positions who appeared dead or unconscious with mannequin parts and lingerie strewn about
00:37:22
in every picture. So the cops find this stash and then they're like, holy shit, we've got to really search this house.
00:37:32
And they end up finding newspaper clippings, the identification of women, like identification that he shouldn't have like clearly it's starting to look like serial killer
00:37:45
um what do we call them um evidence no i'm just gonna keep whenever we forget something
00:37:52
so serial killer when they get a prize when they get a thing when they yeah that's uh
00:38:00
what's the prize oh my god why why is this happening um what does it call when they walk
00:38:05
not a token token is it a token it's a token let's call it a token everyone knows the word
00:38:11
yes it's their little stupid that's how you get found out bro exactly but also and he and he also
00:38:18
did it the the best way of getting found out he kept a rape diary absolutely don't do that well
00:38:25
here we're glad he did though because he'd been doing it since the 50s holy shit and he had these
00:38:32
It was every little interaction he would have with a woman he would write down leading up into these rapes.
00:38:39
And his bizarre and strangely casual phrasing of like, picked up a hot redhead. She really fought me.
00:38:47
A lot of that kind of shit. Yeah. So they go through the years. They're going through.
00:38:52
Then they find, they stumble on this list of 10 women, names and locations. and they start to put together these names and descriptions of these women and locations
00:39:02
are starting to match up to missing women in these same towns. Can I say that's my dream?
00:39:07
Like I'm in the wrong, that's my dream job. Is what? Matching that shit up? Is being a detective to find those things?
00:39:13
Yeah. I'm in the wrong fucking profession. Go on. You mean eating dessert on TV isn't giving you the same feeling?
00:39:20
Shockingly, I don't feel fulfilled in that I'm contributing to society. What if you were a detective, but you still, you had to get even more Botox.
00:39:30
For some reason, you felt the pressure in your... Because I was giving too much away to, what are they called, to criminals?
00:39:36
And I'm like in the room with them. And I'm like, no way. Like, no, you have to get Botox.
00:39:41
So you stop, fill your whole face. Yeah. Stop furrowing your brow and seize up all your muscles.
00:39:47
So basically, they start lining these things up. This guy has been raping and murdering and dumping women's bodies since the 70s.
00:40:00
So they were like, these are real. These are real. And they basically end up whatever the within the within the same country version of extraditing is.
00:40:11
They move them. They take them from Nevada into California because some of these murders happened around San Francisco, basically.
00:40:19
And what they come to find out is that, oh, and he referred to that rape journal as his dream diary detailing his fantasies.
00:40:31
And he said that he used the word rape loosely, quote, like how guys talk. um so so what they start to realize is he's lived in close proximity like in the same city as where
00:40:47
these women have all been taken from and dumped he is wherever it's happening he's he's lived in
00:40:55
the same place i love when they make those connections it's like a puzzle piece and it
00:40:59
takes a shit ton of legwork of like interviewing people and yes fascinating it's so and it must be
00:41:06
so fucking satisfying yeah so it turns out um the other thing that's a detail that's taking place
00:41:16
as they as all these facts and evidence on furls is that the women have double initials same first
00:41:25
and last name we talked about this initials which is the same as the alphabet murder so these are
00:41:31
the women that we're talking about here, it's 80s and 90s, but in the 70s, there
00:41:40
were a series of child murders called the Alphabet Murders in Rochester, New York.
00:41:46
I remember talking about this. Or around there. Yeah. You talked about it. It was little girls
00:41:52
between the ages of 10 and 12 and they all had the same first and last initial which I have too Oh Karen I would totally have been at risk
00:42:05
So Carmen Colon, age 10, was found in November 18th, 1971 in Riga, New York. Wanda Walkowitz was 11.
00:42:14
She was found April 3rd in Webster, New York. And Michelle Manza was 11, and she was found November 28th, 1973 in Macedon, New York.
00:42:27
And did they find that he was living there then? They found out that he is a New York State native
00:42:32
and that he was visiting the area. He was visiting relatives in that area at the same time.
00:42:41
But they say that the two cases are not connected because in the 70s, these little girls were prepubescent
00:42:49
and these other women are older and probably prostitutes. Yeah, he only wanted to murder
00:42:59
women of a certain age, not, what the fuck? And it's like, when you murder a child,
00:43:07
people get more outraged about it. So he stopped doing that because it was more obvious.
00:43:13
People were all over that shit. Right, so he was like, well, I can't murder children anymore
00:43:17
because it gets too suspicious. Also, he's old at this point. So he was arrested when he was 77.
00:43:24
These murders happened when he was in his mid to late 50s. And also, he probably can't get around little kids as much,
00:43:32
but you sure can hire a prostitute anytime you want. There's a logic problem that I have with it
00:43:38
that's so irritating because there's... The other thing was there was DNA found on the last little girl, Wanda.
00:43:46
How is there no DNA on the other ones? That seems impossible. Well, he's proven to have killed these four women that were on his list.
00:43:56
And his DNA is on them. But they don't have any DNA on these little girls from the 70s for the alphabet murders,
00:44:05
except for one on Wanda. And his DNA doesn't match what was found on her. Except for, my thing is, test it again.
00:44:14
Do something. Look further into it. It seems impossible to me that before there was DNA testing, that like every single murder,
00:44:24
like before people thought about leaving DNA, aside from fingerprints, that there has to
00:44:30
be a DNA on every crime scene. You know what I mean? And it was just handled wrong or wasn't taken or it was lost or it was destroyed or it's
00:44:38
too old. Yeah. You know, like before we thought about these things. it's just amazing that that was recently actually like dna dna is as new as the oj trial totally
00:44:49
it's crazy to think about that totally but they did save some things but it's like yeah if this
00:44:54
if um her body was found um on in 1973 then maybe you're gonna have some problems with that dna but
00:45:05
like that everything else they the the cops are saying yeah there's those other things are just
00:45:11
a coincidence well is it a coincidence that one of his victims in 1978 was also named Carmen
00:45:19
Colon are you kidding me the same exact name as the first victim in the Rochester ones same exact
00:45:25
name I wonder if sometimes psychological profiles that we make that's like psychologists and
00:45:32
detectives make these like this is what the person is like this is what they're into this is what
00:45:36
or after this is how they are are like detrimental because it makes them it makes them narrow-sighted
00:45:44
yes the word like near-sighted or far-sighted flawed in their sight problematic evidence with
00:45:52
seeing evidence uh yeah because totally that how could that these are so many coincidences you they
00:46:00
have now written off four coincidences you can't write that shit off it's crazy so the bodies that
00:46:06
of the grown women, which this was only seven years later. So the last little girl or less, because the last little girl, Michelle,
00:46:13
in Rochester was found in 1973. Well, in 1977, Roxanne Rogash was found in Fairfax, California,
00:46:22
which is like 15 minutes away from Petaluma from where I grew up. You guys have all the murders.
00:46:26
We have tons of NorCal, baby. But this girl was only 18. Yeah, that's not an adult.
00:46:33
And also, they assumed she was a prostitute, but there was no proof of it. Her parents said she was not.
00:46:42
And so it's just a weird police theory. This is a perfect link. This is only five years later, and this girl is basically his bridge into older women.
00:46:51
Okay, so this girl was, Roxanne was 18, and she was dumped by the side of the road, strangled,
00:47:02
and nude on January 10th, 1977. Carmen Colon, the second one, the older one in California,
00:47:11
was found August 13th, 1978 on the Carquinas Highway. And she was 22. She was 30 miles away from the first victim. So it was clearly he's in that area.
00:47:24
Then in 1981, the body of Shirley Patton, who doesn't have the same initials, but she was also
00:47:32
56 and she washed ashore near the Naval Depot in Tiburon and Nassau managed the place
00:47:42
she used to live and he also had a photo of her and he was considered a prime suspect
00:47:47
but then gave investigators elusive answers and was never charged anytime in the next 30 years
00:47:53
duh bro like to speak in fucking NorCal terms yeah uh davro duh um and then the a woman named pamela parsons in 1993 was found in yuba county
00:48:08
she was 38 and um she also lived near him and then a woman named tracy tifoya was found dead in 1994
00:48:18
in yuba county um she was drugged raped strangled and her body was left near a cemetery
00:48:25
um so he this guy had pictures he had descriptions of them like all the shit it was just like a lock
00:48:36
he represented himself in court um of course that means i'm sorry but that means you're
00:48:42
fucking guilty as shit it means you're guilty and it means you're crazy um and so of course
00:48:48
He was convicted of all four murders in 2013. He's in jail. He's, uh, I, uh, I think he's,
00:48:55
uh, what do you call it? Um, up for the death penalty, but I couldn't find whether or not he's gotten it yet.
00:49:02
Um, but that woman, uh, when he was being tried, the woman who he raped, um, one of the early rapes in that was in Berkeley.
00:49:13
Um, she was waiting at a bus stop and he picked her up and raped her. and when she went to the police and she said this in court,
00:49:19
which I just couldn't get out of my mind, when she went to the police to report it,
00:49:24
they told her that they thought she was just trying to make her boyfriend jealous
00:49:29
by making up this story. Can't even. I can't even. So that's what we're coming from.
00:49:35
That was almost 60 years ago. And this is where we are now. I mean, that's the kind of thing where we're coming from a dead stop
00:49:45
of cops not even listening when people are like repeated rapes in this entire area.
00:49:50
There's a reason people have gotten this old piece of shit has been getting away with murdering
00:49:57
women for years and years. What gets me in every, in every case of serial murders or multiple murders or, you know,
00:50:05
even I don't want to, I don't want to say that you have to be murdered to be important
00:50:09
like rapists, you know, because that is devastating to your entire life is when is the people
00:50:14
that are subsequent to them to the rapists and murderers getting paroled early the people after
00:50:23
this person should have been caught or was caught that's on that's on the state and that's on
00:50:33
the judge and that you know like you mean like the victims afterwards yeah yeah like that is
00:50:40
those are the people that like fuck me up is it like that should have been fucking stopped and the
00:50:45
the family of the victims that it happened to beforehand they must feel guilty that
00:50:52
you know this person didn't stay in jail or this person was never caught even though they were like
00:50:57
here's all this evidence like it's nightmarish it's just ridiculous it's just it's it's because
00:51:04
When it's so cut and dry, like this man had all the evidence in his home. Yeah. He's going to jail for the rest of his, you know, very short life, hopefully.
00:51:15
But like that, it went on for years. If those parole officers hadn't done that search, nobody would have ever known.
00:51:23
Those people would have just died. It's the same thing about like child abuse cases where they're like, where they're with a child protection agency is like, nope, they're fine.
00:51:32
And like close a case. And then the kid dies. and it's like, this is on you and there's no,
00:51:39
there's nothing you can say that gets you out of this. Like, I don't care if your boss was this way.
00:51:46
I don't care if you had a huge caseload. Well, the problem is they don't, that kind of shit,
00:51:52
human life is undervalued. So they don't pay people who are supposed to be protecting
00:51:58
those voiceless people enough. And they have too many, even though you're right.
00:52:04
No, no, I'm wrong. I'm going to get angry letters on this. There's no excuse. It's just like, but we have to start putting money to the things that are important.
00:52:11
Services for people who need help. As opposed to just fucking like, everything just goes to the one person.
00:52:17
Oh, we can't get into this shit. This is just crazy. I feel like I'm going to get in trouble for saying that.
00:52:21
And I think that social workers are trying so hard. And they're working against a bureaucracy that is undervaluing them.
00:52:29
And I fucking, I'm sorry. Well, I think, well, no, I think probably the point is that it's this,
00:52:34
This system is to blame. Yeah. The system that's supporting, you know, that one person having 30 caseloads.
00:52:40
Yeah. It doesn't even make sense. No, you're right. I feel like I want to edit that out because I feel like a dick for saying that.
00:52:46
And teachers should be paid more. I mean, you know. Now we're. Let's just get rid of it.
00:52:54
So that's our friend Joseph Nassau, the great NorCal and possibly. I really I'm gonna say it like a detective
00:53:04
I like him for those alphabet murders in the 70s oh yeah I get it like you like him?
00:53:10
I like him for it like cop style I agree I thought you'd like that too because we've talked about that
00:53:15
no I do I like it I like you for liking that yeah yeah awful story like I mean he had been doing it for so long
00:53:31
that's what's so troubling about it it is it's an argument for cctv right it's that kind of thing
00:53:37
where it's like if the police didn't go into his house and find those pictures and suddenly start
00:53:41
putting it together yeah i still have the picture in my head of what you know when you were telling
00:53:48
this story i pictured his house and i still have the exact same picture all over eight years later
00:53:53
yeah because it was just so troubling it yeah just so insane also with someone who has Alliterative initials Yes Oh right KK Yeah I know several people who would be at risk It just like yeah
00:54:09
So are there any case updates? No, no major case updates. He's still in San Quentin. He's 90 years old. He was sentenced to death, but he's probably going to live out the rest of his days in prison without the possibility of parole.
00:54:24
since California has not carried out an execution since 2006. And apparently in 2019, Governor Newsom officially ordered a moratorium on the death penalty.
00:54:35
So it's basically the end of the road, I guess. Let's talk about that the same way we talk about CCTV, for or against.
00:54:41
I'm just kidding. Don't fucking answer that. We're not discussing that right now.
00:54:44
Well, I mean, yeah. Today is not the day. I mean. Unless you want to. I don't even know what I would say.
00:54:50
That's the thing is early days, we didn't realize that talking things through and just having kind of initial reactions to things.
00:54:59
Definitely for me, uneducated reactions to things and just like mostly gut reactions and things I heard my parents say.
00:55:06
So then you're kind of like over the years, we have started to understand, well, you're going to have a big opinion.
00:55:12
You're going to get a big reaction. And that's what you're actually doing on this podcast.
00:55:16
So we slowly but surely were like, oh, there's some things that if we're going to have that opinion, we better know what we're talking about.
00:55:24
Also, as in my next story, it will show I said to edit something out and it didn't get edited out.
00:55:29
So you've got to be really you've got to really pay attention to that shit. Luckily, Stephen's just coming along soon and he's going to edit it out when I ask him to.
00:55:38
That's right. I appreciate that. That's kind of an important part of an audio engineer's job, right?
00:55:43
It is. I mean, it's why you shouldn't podcast without a third witness that's not in it with you.
00:55:50
Right. That knows how to edit things out. Yes. That's crucial. I mean, it's hard for us, though, because sometimes we jokingly say, edit that out.
00:55:57
And then we have to be like, we're just kidding. Don't like it's confusing at times.
00:56:00
We are baffling as individuals. That's why there's two people in that booth over there, not just one.
00:56:06
Thanks, guys. And more behind them. And more listening. Oh, I was just going to say, it is really funny. Murderpedia is such a massive part of this podcast and such a resource right along there with Wikipedia. But Murderpedia is an incredible website.
00:56:23
It is. And I bet you they need money just like Wikipedia needs money. So if you have extra money and you want to give a little to the places that actually provide a lot of information for most podcasts, those would be two good places to do it.
00:56:38
Definitely. Okay, so now it's time to listen to Georgia's story from episode 14.
00:56:43
This is just a horrible... I remember this. I remember seeing it on the news. Yeah.
00:56:49
This is the murder of Cherise Iverson. You know the famous author Roald Dahl. He thought up Willy Wonka and the BFG.
00:57:01
But did you know he was a spy? Neither did I. You can hear all about his wildlife story in the podcast, The Secret World of Roald Dahl.
00:57:10
All episodes are out now. Was this before he wrote his stories? It must have been.
00:57:15
What? Okay, I don't think that's true. I'm telling you, the guy was a spy. Binge all 10 episodes of The Secret World of Roald Dahl.
00:57:22
Now on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Bailey Taylor, and this is It Girl.
00:57:29
This podcast is all about going deeper with the women shaping culture right now.
00:57:33
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or wherever you get your podcasts. what's yours okay so because you're from the you're a 90s kid right yeah and this one happened
00:58:42
when i was 16 uh so in 19 in may of 97 right before i turned 17 and so this this thing that
00:58:52
happened this the person who did it was someone that like i would have dated and i remember i
00:58:58
remember what happening he was from southern california the person who did it and the girl
00:59:02
was from or the girl he killed was from orange county and it was such a like i would have hung
00:59:08
out with this guy you know like this guy would have been my friend it made me realize that the
00:59:12
people you think are cool because they're one of you you don't know who they are at all um
00:59:18
and i'll get into it but so may 25th 1997 jeremy stromeyer who was 18 and david cash his friend who
00:59:31
was 17 they were at the prima donna resort and casino in prim nevada which we've all been to
00:59:37
it's the casino with the giant roller coaster right before you drive into vegas yes it's fucking
00:59:44
cool because it's like it's like going into a denny's from the 80s with a roller coaster that
00:59:50
goes through the restaurant right yeah and it just like it like knott berry farm it just like quaint and it doesn mean to be you know So they there They from Long Beach At 4 a Strohmeyer begins to make quote playful contact with seven Sharice
01:00:11
Iverson, who was roaming the casino alone, which is something that I did. Like, my dad took us to Vegas on regular occasion.
01:00:20
Not really, but he took us a few times and was like, go play in the arcade. and you just fucking walked away.
01:00:26
But he didn't do that at 4 a.m. No, not at 4 a.m. 4 a.m. is not right. So the dad was gambling and drinking.
01:00:35
They told him to keep a closer eye on his daughter and he ignored them and told his son to go watch the kid,
01:00:43
which is like my parents were divorced. If I had gotten lost, my mom would have killed my dad.
01:00:47
I get it. And like it was from the killer being my age to the kid being, you know.
01:00:58
In that situation. In that situation is like understandable. So Strohmeyer, who's being playful with Sharice, he leads her into the women's restroom.
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And while in the restroom, they begin having a playful wet paper towel fight, like jokingly.
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Like he's playing with this, this 18 year old guy is playing with the seven year old
01:01:20
girl, like they're buddies, you know? And like when you're a little kid, you like want to make friends with the older kids.
01:01:25
And then he leads her into a bathroom. And then his, so this is not like, this is really troubling to me is that the friend,
01:01:36
last name is Cash. He walks into the restroom to look for his friend, Strohmeyer.
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and he peered over from a neighboring stall and saw Strohmeyer restraining the girl
01:01:48
and threatening to kill her if she didn't stay quiet. Cash told the police that he tried to get Strohmeyer's attention
01:01:54
by calling his name and tapping him on the head and Strohmeyer stared at him blankly.
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So do you know what Cash did? He walked away. He left, which is so troubling to me.
01:02:09
Like it's more troubling than this murderous fucking kid whose dad was in prison
01:02:14
and whose mother was a schizophrenic. The fact that this fucking guy walked away.
01:02:19
He ends up... He strangles... He molests and kills her. I don't want to say in a way
01:02:26
because it's like... It's so troubling. They find out who he is by putting surveillance video up
01:02:36
and people from his high school in Long Beach are like, that's this dude. they surveillance the cops surveillance his house and identify him he runs away and he
01:02:46
ingests a bunch of drugs and writes a um like a you know a suicide note pretty much confessing to
01:02:55
it like there's no question during any of this and the trial that he did this there's no like
01:03:01
maybe he didn't do it like he clearly did this um so let's see so his defense attorney who represented the menendez brothers yeah weird the woman yeah
01:03:19
leslie abramson yeah he this so stermeyer claimed he was high on alcohol and drugs at the time he
01:03:26
didn't remember committing it um and but apparently he hoarded pornography including
01:03:32
pornographic images of children and admitted fantasizing about sex with young girls and in a
01:03:38
chat room which god remember those he wrote i fantasize about having sex with five and six
01:03:43
year old girls all the time they couldn't prove the message came for him but right before the trial
01:03:49
um hours before it was going to start he entered a plea on his behalf so his plea
01:03:55
that he was guilty to four charges first degree murder first degree kidnapping sexual assault on
01:04:03
a minor on a minor with substantial with substantial bodily harm and sexual assault on a
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liar that's your plea like if that is first degree murder and kidnapping and is your plea
01:04:15
you are a fucked up individual you know like yeah manslaughter isn't what you go for right like you
01:04:23
go for fucking first degree and you and you plead guilty to it so he was sentenced to four life
01:04:30
terms um one for each of the crime he pleaded to he pleaded guilty to to be served consecutively
01:04:36
so this motherfucker is never getting out do you think that he did that just to get it over with
01:04:40
like he he knows he's guilty he's just basically he's coming in saying this is all the shit i did
01:04:46
let's just get this over with i think it was a death penalty it was a death penalty case
01:04:50
and he had confessed to it there was like the confession was admissible in court
01:04:55
it was a death penalty case i think he knows he would have gotten death for this oh so this is
01:05:02
his way of staying alive okay um so the post-trial shit's really interesting to me too
01:05:10
so jeremy strohmeyer is just appealing the shit out of it it really bothers me that this guy is
01:05:16
so clearly guilty there's no conspiracy there's no fucking question his friends saw his shitty
01:05:23
friends saw it there's like there's fucking surveillance tapes but he keeps appealing it
01:05:29
instead of fucking, this is what I don't understand about sociopaths. Like just admit your guilt.
01:05:36
Like, no, they can't let your, let the family heal from this. They don't care about the family.
01:05:41
They don't care about anybody. Don't make them testify every four years. They don't care about those people.
01:05:49
But they can't lose. They can't. It's about getting anything you want all the time.
01:05:54
It the sociopathic mind is so fascinating because they don There is no mercy and there is no logic beyond how do I get what I want There no fault
01:06:05
No. Well, what's interesting is that the fucking David Cash, so Sharice Iverson's mother demanded that Cash, the friend, be charged as an accessory, which like fucking clearly, no.
01:06:21
authorities stated there was not enough evidence connecting him to the actual crime
01:06:25
so he never got prosecuted and i i remember like frequent news updates of like him going to berkeley
01:06:33
and his fellow students being like get this fucking kid out of here wow um he got into
01:06:39
berkeley yeah so he would this wasn't some dipshit no these were like these were like
01:06:46
hacky sack college kids both of them these were like skater college kids that like we would have
01:06:53
been like like flirting with you know what i mean like so but here's what cash says uh in the weeks
01:07:00
following stromeyer's arrest he says quote i'm not going to get upset over someone else's life
01:07:07
i just worry about myself first i'm not going to lose sleep over somebody else's problems
01:07:12
like he took no responsibility for this so like he didn't do it but he's clearly a sociopath as well
01:07:20
either that or he's in such insanely deep denial because it's yeah yeah that's it's like that's
01:07:28
like saying it's not my problem where it's like you just it's a hundred percent your problem there's
01:07:33
no you can't just deny your way out of it and i fucked up goes so far you know yeah but that's
01:07:41
like i should have done something i'm sorry goes so far but that's not who you're dealing with i
01:07:46
know i know and then listen to this shit this is the craziest shit to me so his parents were his
01:07:54
adoptive parents they adopted him as an infant this is cash or no this is stromeyer the killer
01:08:02
In 1999, they sued Los Angeles County and its adoption workers for $1 million, claiming that the social workers deliberately withheld crucial information that would have stopped them from adopting him as an infant.
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specifically they claimed that they were never told that stromeyer's biological mother had severe
01:08:25
mental problems including that she suffered from schizophrenic suffered from chronic schizophrenia
01:08:29
and had been hospitalized more than 60 times prior to stromeyer's birth shit however
01:08:35
they state that they continue to support their adopted son so basically they were like he's not ours anymore in in the most like indirect way like they're
01:08:49
basically like this isn't what we asked for except for it was totally fine up until that point yeah
01:08:55
if he hadn't had any wins they would have been like it's because we raised him right yeah
01:09:00
i mean i don't want to talk shit on adoption because i think it's fucking amazing and i would
01:09:05
totally do it and like but this is your kid you can't sue the fucking city for a million dollars
01:09:12
because something went wrong when he was fucking 17. Well, also, this is just, this seems,
01:09:19
I would love to know what kind of tax bracket of people we're talking about. Yeah.
01:09:25
Because it's like everybody's running to talk about how it's not their problem, it's not their fault,
01:09:31
it's not their problem, it's not their fault. It's like, sorry, you guys are ground zero.
01:09:34
Yeah. You touched his fucking head. You saw him raping a child. It's 100% your problem.
01:09:41
Nobody wants to take any responsibility for any part of this. It's crazy. And it's so frustrating.
01:09:47
Like remorse is something that we can all connect with. Remorse is something we can all like understand and feel.
01:10:01
Even if it's shit that we would never do. It's like I fucked up. I was, you know, thinking wrong.
01:10:10
I was crazy. It wasn't right. And like, yeah, that doesn't get you out of punishment, but it goes so far for so many things.
01:10:18
Yeah, but you're talking about, you expect something from people who are fucking child rapists and killers.
01:10:23
These aren't noble, moral people in any way. Well, think of the kind of parents that would sue the city because their son was a murderer.
01:10:32
Fucking 17 years too late. You couldn't have raised your kid right if that's your first fucking instinct.
01:10:38
Yeah. No, it's no good. I totally remember that story. Yeah. And I'm, it, you know, I'm really glad that you didn't talk about details because I feel like there was a time where I knew the details of what he did to her.
01:10:52
And I am glad I can't remember it right now. I remember the news that I remember seeing the surveillance footage on the news.
01:11:00
Me too. I just want to like talk about this girl and how awful it was for her. And like,
01:11:08
it's just so like the person at the fucking center of this, while these people are fucking getting their appeals and suing the city and
01:11:17
saying that like they walked away because they couldn't deal with what was happening.
01:11:22
Yeah. And you know, none of it is fair to this fucking kid who didn't understand.
01:11:28
that father that's a hugely problematic family anybody that's up at 4 a.m at a casino
01:11:35
they didn't so why doesn't that guy have a room or a car that those kids can be in like
01:11:40
it doesn't make sense why are you taking your kids to vegas to begin with but yeah and then
01:11:45
also four in the morning no child should be awake like that's that should there should be a system in
01:11:51
in place where if you work at a casino and it's past 2 a.m and you see anyone that looks younger
01:11:58
than 18, there's immediately there's we name names we need uh you know we need driver's licenses we need action to
01:12:06
be taken well the the i mean the end of it is that there's a sharice uh iverson bill introduced after
01:12:15
this um that provides a fine and possibly jail time for anyone who fails to report a crime
01:12:22
of the nature that led to the creation of the bill so like unless like if someone dies and you don't
01:12:29
tell on them basically you could get fined which is like fuck you um and then there's increased
01:12:36
security in nevada casinos nevada um and also they've increased security in their arcades
01:12:46
and casinos which is like well your security guards could be fucking perverts so that doesn't
01:12:53
really do anything don't trust anyone yeah i mean you got to tighten up your game there's not kids
01:13:00
in casinos do not mix i don't care what circus circus has told you my dad took us to circus circus
01:13:06
as a kid and was like go play fucking video games that's what it's built for meanwhile what the fuck
01:13:12
like it's there's nothing about that that makes sense in the in the thing we talk about a lot which
01:13:18
is like i should have been killed mode yeah i should have been kidnapped i mean i was a really
01:13:22
cute kid but like you were pretty precious i've seen pictures pretty darling i should have been
01:13:28
kidnapped and killed oh yeah yeah and i would have been if i was like we had kittens in the van i'd
01:13:33
be like fucking kit and even now i'd be like kitten maybe next week should be that could have been me
01:13:40
yeah i have that's the one i wanted to do today and i was like i'm so excited i got my 90s murder
01:13:47
and I was like, 1985? God damn it! Let's do that next week. Okay, next week is like, that should have been me.
01:13:53
This could have been me. This could have been me. Or should have, or whatever. Should have been.
01:13:57
Yeah. This will be, no. God, no. When I write my autobiography and lie, it's going to be me.
01:14:04
This totally almost could have maybe happened to me. Oh, that one has always and always will stick with me.
01:14:14
Just so fucking heartbreaking. And such an unnecessary tragedy. Yeah, and so problematic with the friend peeking over the...
01:14:23
Oh, yeah. It's just so many issues there. So gross. Are there updates, though? No major case updates.
01:14:29
Jeremy Strohmeyer is still in prison in Nevada. He's 45 years old. So in 2018, he requested a new sentencing hearing based on a SCOTUS decision
01:14:38
that those serving life sentences for committing murder when juveniles juveniles and who only had one victim, which is like should have a chance at parole. But he was
01:14:47
18 and seven months at the time of the murder. So, of course, thankfully, the request was denied.
01:14:53
The whole thing where it's like he was a juvenile and there was only one murder makes you go so far.
01:14:58
You know what I mean? Like because he was stopped, there was only one murder. Kind of. I mean, it could.
01:15:04
It could But he was 18 So it like you know these are for people who are like 12 we talking about Yeah But I mean it just it the law And I think it that kind of thing It like if you could probably look into that person history and be like this is what brought him up to this day
01:15:22
Sure. Is rehabilitation possible? Yes. I'm not saying to convict someone because they might do things in the future. That's fucking clearly not OK. I'm just saying like.
01:15:32
That's good. Yeah, that's not my argument. But it is like, you know, oh, you only had one victim?
01:15:37
Like, that's one person's entire fucking life. Yes, completely. It's just... And everyone around her's life.
01:15:43
And she had so much of a future that she didn't get to live out. Totally. It's all of that.
01:15:49
It's all of that. Okay, so let's wrap it up with the outro of episode 14, shall we?
01:15:54
This is a really strange and sad moment that was very... It wasn't even processed when we were talking about it now.
01:16:02
But we're about to talk about the death of Michelle McNamara. And it's just it's as bewildering a fact today as it was back then.
01:16:12
So this episode. Let's have a memorial real quick. Yeah. So somebody wrote on the Facebook page very earnestly, which I understand the day that Michelle McNamara died.
01:16:26
they posted a thing kind of saying Karen of Georgia you need to do a special episode about
01:16:32
Michelle McNamara and I understand where that was coming from but I guess the thing I need that
01:16:40
person to understand and everybody to understand is Michelle was a real person that I knew
01:16:44
and she was a friend I've been friends with her husband for almost 30 years it's not
01:16:53
the kind of thing that's very easy to turn around and be and podcast about as if it's some piece of news
01:17:02
it's for me it is a personal loss I mean in the way that I have a friend who is now
01:17:10
a widower with a seven year old child it's such a massive tragedy and Michelle was such a brilliant
01:17:18
woman she was such a talented writer. She was so into everything that we're all into. And she made such great contents. She,
01:17:29
she was an author. She wrote these really cool articles. You can find her old blog was called
01:17:34
True Crime Diary, which we've talked about on the podcast before, but she also, it's very easy to
01:17:40
find her, the article she wrote about, um, the Golden State Killer, which was her terminology
01:17:45
that she renamed the East Area Rapist and the original Night Stalker, the Golden State Killer,
01:17:52
and she was writing a book on it. And it's just, it's such a massive loss and it's such a real thing that's happening in our lives
01:18:04
that it's not something that we can just kind of turn around and present as if it's something distant
01:18:10
because it's not. So we I loved Michelle and and I love Patton and it uh it just a incomprehensible um tragedy that is the kind of shit you just never want to happen
01:18:29
And that happens. Um, so hug the people that you love, tell the people that you love that you love them, live the life that you want to live and, um, and just be cool to people, I guess is what I would say.
01:18:46
That was beautiful. Let's end it on that. And thanks for listening, guys. Thanks, guys.
01:18:55
We'll always stay sexy. Always stay sexy. Bye. You know what's really weird? That was insane and so unexpected and so tragic to lose Michelle, for Michelle's family to lose her child, to lose her.
01:19:16
and like in that moment just being like, so this is the craziest thing to happen.
01:19:22
And then basically thinking back over the next couple years and the things that happened in those years,
01:19:29
it just is increasingly bizarre. And how is this actually happening? Not just like Paul Holes and the whole team actually solve that crime.
01:19:40
The thing that she was working so hard to do actually happens. It happens. And it was such a rare thing to happen to like her looking into the case, her, you know, trying to find new evidence, like and then it actually being solved.
01:19:53
That is so rare. It's so heartbreaking that she didn't get to see that come to fruition.
01:19:58
And just as a human being that she, you know, isn't with us anymore. And that definitely hit me hard. And I think about her a lot and, you know, wonder where she would be now if she if she were here still.
01:20:10
It's like, and then being able to now say that we work with Paul Holtz, we get to work with a person who had such a hand in bringing closure to that case.
01:20:22
It just like, yeah, it's all so surreal. This whole experience, of course, has been, but these pieces of it, like in looking back at stuff like this, it's quite a photo album of memories where just like very large experiences, very like, I'm sorry, what are you saying? What happened now?
01:20:42
With our lives? Yeah. Yeah. All of it. It's going to be funny when we first bring up Paul Holes in these Rewind episodes.
01:20:48
It's crazy. I think I remember. I think it's in that apartment, so I think it's coming up soon.
01:20:53
Right. Yeah. Oh, my God. All right. You want to do some titles? Sure. What's the alternative title that we would have called this podcast?
01:21:04
Well, You Sexy Mother 14. I think it's great. It's pretty high up there. We're getting better and better at these, and then we're going to stop.
01:21:12
It's so sad. I know. I did say I love nerds because I knew what LARPing was. Yeah, and you do love nerds.
01:21:19
You really do. You really do. How could you not? They're smart. Then there a word in this episode that we both forgot twice couldn remember the word So let just call this episode evidence Evidence Evidence Anybody trying to argue our professionalism our expertise our whatever it like yeah we didn fucking know what we were doing
01:21:42
We still don't. We still don't. We'll still forget that word. And then I say after that, oh, no, this is a different thing.
01:21:50
I said, we should know these nouns because we were guessing whether something was testimony,
01:21:56
clues, or evidence. Yeah. The word we couldn't think of. Sure. I mean, and I think some are subsets of others, but it's truly like this kind of thing of
01:22:06
what are we talking about? And then I think what this podcast, the last one is What If, which is basically this podcast.
01:22:13
It's like, what if, and then it just keeps fucking happening. Yeah. And keeps unfolding.
01:22:18
What if this is your life? what if you name the craziest thing in the world? It happened.
01:22:22
It happened. Oh, you want to write a book one day? It happened. You're going to.
01:22:27
What? What? I can't. I can write a book. Everyone knows I can't. What will be in there?
01:22:32
Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. Memories. Thanks for going down memory lane with us, rewinding with us, guys.
01:22:38
Yeah, that was episode 14. Yeah. Quite something. Yeah, we'll keep doing it if you keep listening.
01:22:44
I mean, even if you don't listen, we'll probably keep doing it. Yeah, that's kind of how we've always done it.
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