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Hello and welcome to Rewind with Karen in Georgia. This is our new Wednesday bonus episode where we rewind back to our old episodes and give you our new point of view on them.
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That's right. And today we're revisiting episode 15. That's called Definitely Not Episode 16,
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which will be clear in a moment why, from Thursday, May 5th, 2016. So now it's time for you to reach out to your favorite psychic or a mysterious introvert or
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your kooky aunt and invite them all to listen because we all get to be day one listeners now.
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That's right. Three episodes a week, you guys. So let's get into it. Here's the intro of episode
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15 called Definitely Not Episode 16 We're recording Yep A podcast What episode of My Favorite Murder is this?
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This one's episode 15 One and a five One and a five It comes after the number 14
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Which by the way, congratulations on picking that amazing Oh god, thank you I feel like the spirit of Prince was with me
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When I wrote that You sexy mother 14 was perfect I wanted it to be an homage to the man that we lost, and yet at the same time still serve no purpose for what we're trying to get done, which is let people know what we're talking about on our podcast.
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Well, they really have no way of knowing, and so they have to listen. It's a mystery wrapped in an enigma called My Favorite Murder.
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Welcome, everybody. That's Georgia Hardstark. That's Karen Kilgariff. This is episode 15, which we didn't realize until five minutes ago.
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we thought it was episode 16 this whole time which is why how did we both do that which is
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why this episode's theme is murders that happened 16 years ago even though it's episode now makes
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no sense oh except like i mean i guess we could have just done millennial murders and said that
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we meant to do it and it was because we wanted murders that were in 2000 but we're not gonna
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pretend that we're smarter than we are let's not try to cover any of our flaws or blemishes
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this is this is what makes us us yeah this is we're human beings we have no support we don't
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even have one person that could go hey guys nice conversation about the 16th episode why don't you
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save that for next week yeah this is the 15th episode like we've said from the very beginning
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we're not experts on anything uh except for our own feelings right um we are yeah we are
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amateur sleuths with numbers and murders yep that have stumbled into a conversational podcast
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about the thing we love the most death death death do you think your anxiety over true crime
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is like subsided a little since this podcast started you know what's funny georgia heart's
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dark tell me karen i don't have that much anxiety about true crime you you have the
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when you talk about it it's like uh it seems to me to be like a thing that releases your anxiety
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which i relate to but i more have a morbid fascination that borders on i think i might
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want to do this like that's that's the dance that i'm dancing he kind of a little bit i mean not
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genuinely but in that way of like this is an option that's concerning to me sitting in a room
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alone with you just in that way of like i feel like that's the genuine truth that i should state
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i get it it's like that thing of like i could steer my car off this road right now over a bridge
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exactly or have you ever heard that thing where it's a very real thing pilots cannot look at the
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ground when they're flying airplanes or they'll fly the airplane into the ground yeah it's called
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uh i'm making this up completely right now it's called something like ground hypnosis
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the word hypnosis is in it that sounds right but it's basically the thing of like if you look at it
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you do it because your brain knows it not supposed to right also like jumping off if you on a tall building you have to like not stand near the ledge because you might just fucking throw yourself over the ledge you know this there was an amazing conversation that you got into on the facebook page this is all
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unwanted thoughts or dangerous thoughts that was great i loved that conversation it was so fucking
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cool and as i was reading it uh you know i don't i wouldn't say i suffer from that as a real um
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disorder or like something that really uh i have to deal with every day but i also kept thinking as
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i was reading it i feel like that's a very human thing to have i understand that the people that
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we're talking about are talking about it's problematic and it's right in it's interrupting
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their unwanted thoughts of of killing that they might accidentally kill someone or all those
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things it was like jumping off a jumping off of something or but i had it really bad i know that
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It's a side effect of having anxiety because when I got, I got very convinced when my niece was like three or four that she was going to
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die. And I was, I got very obsessive about it. My sister would be like, Oh, I dropped her off at Eileen's to go swimming.
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And I'd be like, she's going to fucking drown. I was like, I would get really upset and be like,
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why aren't you staying there? And she's like, what's wrong with you? And I finally had to tell her,
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I felt so crazy. And I finally had to tell my sister, like, I'm just convinced that she's going to die.
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And my sister goes, Oh yeah, so am I every day. That's part of it. And then I just went, oh, like, oh, oh, that's just the fear of like.
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I have that every day with someone, with anyone. Yeah. Like with Vince, I'm just like mentally preparing myself for something happening.
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And it's like just terrible and not fun. But I think that's a, I guess my only point is, I think it's a very human thing to put yourself through.
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Yeah. And I know it's just an anxiety issue too. And I'm aware of it so it doesn't like take over my life.
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but I love the fact that that Facebook page can actually be a place where people get to talk about
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stuff like that totally and find other people to go you're I'm totally with you yeah it's awesome
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yeah I get that I like that a lot um totally and I'll and speak while we're on the topic we'll just
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say this speaking for officially for this podcast we only want to use our Facebook page to talk
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positively about what we like or what we are scared of or what we're going through we do not
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uh endorse anybody talking shit on other podcasts on our facebook page it's gotten a little weird
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where it's become a topic in and of itself yeah and uh the bottom line is we have no interest in
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talking shit on other podcasts yeah at all so please don't do it we only mention the podcast
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we like because guys there's room for everyone yeah and if you don't fucking like it don't listen
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to it. Don't listen to it, but certainly don't bring it over to our Facebook page
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to talk about because it's not something we want to endorse or even be a part of. Do you think that people
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who aren't on the Facebook page are sick of hearing about the wonderful, beautiful, awesome
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Facebook page? I'm positive they are. It's like being like, the girl at my school
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said. That's basically what it is. I can't wait until we're selling the t-shirts.
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It's so soon. Oh, that's right. Georgia has really hustled it up and she's gotten some t-shirt designs
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ready and I think how soon hopefully the next week so it's going to be a pre-order yes and then they'll get sent
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out in like two weeks so if you will the pre-order will be open then it'll be closed
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then it'll be open again then you know what happens after things close they open again
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they open again always that's a cycle of life um and that's the official my favorite murder
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uh t-shirt that we're gonna have for you first one very exciting yep uh so hey what happened 16 years ago
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and how does that relate to our 15th episode millennial murders millennial Y2K Y2
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Y2 what? Y2 murder now I'm thinking would I have had better luck if I had looked through
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1999 murders because 2000 was like when I was trying to go through all of the stuff that happened that whole year
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it was hard and also it's like it's weird the news the news that came up i did find a really good
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mass murder from a death cult um but it was in uganda yeah it was the something along the lines
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of like the holy order of the live by the ten commandments of god cult and like over 250 people
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died and it was basically kind of their modern version of the jim jones yeah jones man i've
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been looking at photos from that a lot lately from Jonestown yeah why are they all found face down
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they're all face down facing towards I think someone posed them after they died you do yeah
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so everything looked uniform it looks mellow and not a big fucking mess I think that you know
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people stayed alive after or the or the army that that they had the local army posed everyone
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because if you look at the photos they're all it's almost like they are laying down with their
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heads facing jim jones's like uh throne his weirdo throne yeah and they some of them have
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their arms around each other it's like very orderly and it's so creepy it's the creepiest
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i've heard i would say 20 seconds of that tape of him talking don't do that to yourself listen
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to the whole thing you did oh i've done it multiple times why i'm so curious because
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I'm so fascinated by that one. Even the tiny moment that I listened to, I can replay in my head.
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It feels like verbatim. I listened to it and I read the transcripts and I read a bunch.
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There was an AMA on Reddit by a woman who was a survivor. They're who got out like got out a couple months before,
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but her mom and brother died in there because they were high ups. So she was talking about what happened.
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She listened to the tape and was like, here's what people were saying. And here's what they meant.
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Who was saying what? it so fascinating to me It really The fact that it happened in San Francisco like close to where I grew up and there was a bunch of people of all walks of life trying to start a utopia I mean
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that every element of it is such an amazing horrifying story. Yeah it just is so like it's
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the classic don't go to a second location with someone named Jim Jones you know. Or a hippie the
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30 rock joke right exactly or the sign tall i was just reading today about how the um david miscovige's
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wife shelly miscovige is like missing as fuck yep for years for years and they finally put out
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police report for her missing persons but there's some like compound where they keep like high ups
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and like just torture them constantly in florida yeah i think so so she's probably there so don't
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go don't say you'll go somewhere else with someone no don't go anywhere don't go don't
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leave your house stay in your apartment um you know that makes me think they've got to rescind
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the religious uh tax status for scientology it's been proven that it's not an actual religion
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it's insane that it's basically a humongous pyramid scheme i apologize if it's your religion
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and you're offended right now i don't think they don't want you to be mad at me but you're in a
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cult call your dad or someone that can help your parents actually love you even if even if they're
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disappointed in you. I mean, this really did make me laugh. I really enjoyed myself at the beginning of this episode.
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It's so funny because it's so us. We just didn't know it yet that we were incorrect
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about a basic, a really basic thing. Incorrect about our own idea. About like our own show.
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I mean, we could have done it in a way of Like, no, we wanted to do stories from the year 2000.
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That makes sense. But 16 years ago, because it's the 16th, like, what? Why are you complicating things?
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Yeah, we're being super specific. And we basically just raise the bar way too high.
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And we're like, oh, wait, we're not in track and field. We haven't practiced for this at all.
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What are we doing? Have you seen the guy, the meme of the guy trying to jump over the, what's it called when he jumps over the thing?
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The high jump? Yeah. When he jumps high, that thing, what's that called? yeah the high jump and uh it says like me trying to quit drinking and he just like runs runs runs
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to it and then just like dives onto the like onto the platform like doesn't even try to jump over it
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is that a pole vault is that what you're trying to talk about that's the one that's not a high
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jump that's a pole vault wow i really need to study my thing in the ground and then just like
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falls there was also a guy from the olympics who oh yeah knocked the pole out because of his big
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dick did you see that i saw that i mean congratulations to him listen sex sells and
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what people of the globe need right now is a little entertainment like what are the chances
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we don't know him maybe he wouldn't have won gold or anything so like he actually won the whole day
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really yeah that's the thing it's the virality that people can't anticipate where it's like oh
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know you yourself are compelling. We're just going to latch onto you. I think that's a good thing to
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keep in mind is like when you're striving for a goal and this is the thing you want to accomplish
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so much, don't forget there are other things that could happen that could be even better. For example,
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you start a true crime podcast. For example, you start a true crime podcast and then you start
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saying these weird quotes in your second episode and they become t-shirts. Like this episode has a
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couple gems. It has look listen for the first time, right? And you're in a cult call your dad.
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That's right. Another nod to our complete naivety of like, are you literally in your 15th episode talking shit about the biggest religious power in Los Angeles, strangely enough?
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Like you're going after. Really? I mean, you should definitely, on your way there, you might hit gold somewhere else.
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You never know. You just don't know. there's so much like looking some of these quotes are very painful from this episode
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because we're like you know when fifth graders start getting funny because they're like they're
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not babies anymore they're figuring out how to be funny and make the adults actually laugh not like
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not just clap trap you have to because it's a baby and that's the feeling I have where we're like
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oh we're really gonna like we're really gonna get out over our skis and you know make some
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comedy about this stuff where I'm just like, what? We did what? We said what? These are two gnarly stories for sure that we're covering as well. So like,
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you know, there's no lightheartedness at all going on. We hadn't learned yet. It took maybe
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400 episodes to learn that. I feel like, you know, there's a very distinct time when we learned
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and it's very soon coming up because we just save all that for the top. Like we learn that
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basically where it's just like you just keep in the lane stop it essentially yeah but i also think
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it's funny the double layer of that we were trying to do y2k murders which so that's why we got
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obsessed over 16 years and then kind of lost the math on which episode we were actually recording
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which is really funny but then just simply that idea y2k murders where it's like as if that's what
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was going on culturally at Y2K. You're saying we didn't have our finger on the pulse of a generation
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by 16 years later doing Y2K murders? Grabbing at numbers and years and just like, this will be good.
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We didn't understand the algorithm yet, okay? And now we don't still. And now we realize, fight the algorithm with all of your heart and soul.
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Put that on our fucking t Okay so in this episode Georgia is going to cover the Sede Gaia family murders This is intense and of course a cold case Here we go
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texting each other on Sunday and being like or like Monday hey what's the topic I don't know
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what do you want the topic to be I don't know you mentioned this okay let's do that yeah I think we
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need to go back to our original gut feeling of I need to talk about this guy I think let's try
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that next week or woman yeah let's try that let's try that because I have a couple that I really
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want to get to that we have to be really weird and specific like topic yeah we don't have to
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nobody gives a shit but I did find I ended up finding a really good one that I never had heard
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about and i'm really excited to talk about because it's fucked up wonderful it's the setagaya family
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murders okay i don't think i've heard of that on the morning of december 31st 2000 so i have a
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fucking day i got my day away you basically just made the cut i just made the cut i'm under the
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radar in a home in tokyo's setagaya ward mikio uh miyazawa who's 44 his 41 year old wife yasuko
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their eight-year-old daughter Nina and six-year-old son Ray were found dead in their home.
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The son had been strangled and the other three were stabbed to death. So the killer or killers, which isn't brought up a lot, but I'm kind of, I'll tell you more about
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that, enters through the bathroom window upstairs and goes to the son's room. He smothers the little
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boy in his sleep. How old, sorry? Six-year-old. And then this father, Mikio, had been working in
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a study on the first floor perhaps he heard something so he climbs the stairs where he
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encounters the home invader they fight and then so the father's body is found at the bottom of the
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stairwell stabbed to death the killer had brought a sashimi knife with him which is a very long thin
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blade they're really fucking sharp and the killer and father fought at the staircase and the killer
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damaged his knife in the process um the killer then attacked the mother yasuko and their eight
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year old daughter Nina. It's Nina with two eyes. So I don't know if that's supposed to be something
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else. So they were sleeping together in the third floor loft of the house. He couldn't finish the
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job because his knife was broken. So he leaves and goes to the kitchen to get another knife.
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And it's the family's first aid kit was found open at the scene with some of the daughter's
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blood on the bandages. So it seems like when the killer walked out of the room, they thought like
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maybe he was leaving and so the mom starts bandaging up the um oh that's horrible but he
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comes off to finish them off but he has to cover their faces with cloth because while he's killing
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them he can't look at them and yet he it's not a simple murder he like it's a pretty brutal murder
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so it's not like he couldn't look at them just to kill them really quickly which is weird that's
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super weird and it's almost like it's personal like he must know them or something one would
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think anyways or he doesn't want them to look at him um let's see which means he's might be having
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feelings which means he's probably not a psychopath right maybe but right but then
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then okay he continued to stab their bodies after they were dead okay based on their stomach contents the time the family's death was placed at 11 30 p.m
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and the murderer was injured at some point because his blood was found on bandages.
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killing the family he didn't leave he stayed there overnight he ate contents of from the fridge
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and he wandered around the house eating popsicles like discarding them in the trash can in the study
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and two other wrappers in the kitchen so he was just chilling out he was literally just chilling
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out he spent time he went logged on to their their computer between midnight and 1 a.m he
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He browsed the internet for five minutes, visited... Where'd he go? BuzzFeed? Well, actually, they know he went to the theater company,
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which was a bookmark by the wife. He tried to buy tickets. What the fuck? And his fingerprints was found on the mouse, but not the keyboard.
00:24:49
So maybe he was just like clicking things that were already on the computer. But what, is he thinking no...
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Fingerprints can only be on keyboards, but maybe he was clicking with his palm on the mouse?
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So weird. The thought process of this person doesn't make any sense. Then again, sometime in the morning, he used the computer for four minutes.
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He visited the webpage of the father's company and the daughter's school, or the son's school.
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And he killed the power to the computer by pulling out the cord, which he took with him from the crime scene.
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In the living room, credit cards, bank books, driver's license, and other personal identifying information were spread out as if the suspect had been sorting through them.
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in the second floor bathtub more scattered papers were located such as receipts item from the
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mother's school towels sanitary products used to stop his bleeding and other garbage so he's got a
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maxi pad on his stabbed arm or whatever okay he also and this is information that i don't know
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they he used the restroom and didn't flush so they have like they know like his meal but that
00:25:50
he ate before he came sorry just like dude these people in tokyo were like hardcore detectives
00:25:57
yeah that's terrible whose department who gets that job that sucks yeah someone very low on the
00:26:04
totem pole okay at some point the killer took a nap on the couch in the living room so he must
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have known like no one was coming home no one was expecting them no one was like gonna come over
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like because the mother of the mother of the the wife lived next door and in like attached house
00:26:22
so he how did he know she wasn't going to come over and like hang out do you think he didn't
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know she was there or and he's just like i mean because possibly murder an entire family you
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probably are crazy in some way so it would make sense that you're just like i'll be crazy and
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chill out and be a weirdo yeah no one will even come over okay yeah sometime around 10 okay yeah
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no i agree it's this is so weird this case is really interesting because there's so many clues
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that I'll get to, that it should be solved, or there should be a really specific profile of this killer.
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But I think all the clues are so weird that they sully that. They make it even harder.
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Right. So around 1038 to 1045, the family computer received an email that had a required password to open,
00:27:08
which means the family was still alive by then. But they must have been killed before midnight.
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night but didn't you say he broke in in the morning no oh okay sorry he broke in um
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i thought it was like an all-day torture thing no no no he broke in in the evening okay good good
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yeah good yeah really right okay so here's what's going on this there's a skate park
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right across the street that just opened up from the family's house and they were annoyed by the
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noise and they'd already been planning to move because of it and a witness report seeing uh
00:27:45
McKeog arguing with the skateboarders a few days before the crime. Another witness reported seeing the father arguing with a bike gang member or
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the bike gang crew. So he left behind a bunch of clothing that looked like a skater would wear.
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And the police were also able to determine the cologne the suspect wore, which is a favorite brand of skateboarders.
00:28:08
What? I know. Weird, right? um so speaking of the stuff he left behind let's see um in the pocket okay so trace amounts of a
00:28:21
red fluorescent agent were found on the suspect's clothing because he left all of his clothing
00:28:26
behind he folded up nearly his clothing and left it behind which is like and they were able to find
00:28:32
so much information from that that it seems like a setup that it seems like a setup they found
00:28:37
they were able to find sand in his pockets that they were able to conclude that it was from the
00:28:46
edwards air force place in in las vegas nevada what like that's how specific they were able to
00:28:51
get which has led a lot of people to think that maybe his this guy was a skateboarder and his
00:28:56
parents were working in the military they also did dna testing on him and were able to tell that
00:29:02
he's mixed race with the mother of southern european descent and a father most likely korean
00:29:07
so he's mixed race so he could easily be from outside the country right so maybe his parent
00:29:15
maybe his father or his mother worked on the air force base transferred to japan which means his
00:29:20
fingerprints wouldn't be on file because normally if you come to if you come to tokyo or you come to
00:29:25
japan your fingerprints are taken right anyways so he wouldn't be if he was just a kid of the
00:29:32
military yeah okay um so this red fluorescent agent found on the suspect's clothing indicates
00:29:39
that the suspect was involved in stage prop design where this particular chemical is used
00:29:45
and it's not something the family had or would have had around and trace amounts were also found
00:29:52
in the garage however there was no indication the suspect had ever been in the garage this led investigators to believe that the suspect may have had contact with the family prior to the killing and remember that he went to a page that she had to buy tickets for a
00:30:08
theater company. So maybe she was, the mom was involved in the theater company. Or maybe that
00:30:13
killer was also continuing to try to set up a person to indicate because you left the clothes
00:30:20
there with that agent on them then you buy those tickets you're definitely pointing an arrow or
00:30:26
maybe he was stalking them and stalking her maybe he had broken into the house before that the
00:30:32
incident got in the garage somehow like kind of kind of profiling the house to see how he could
00:30:37
get in there um an old jacket was missing and all of the family's happy new year greeting cards were
00:30:43
missing they were like gone which is so weird someone suggested maybe they had cash in them
00:30:49
but they were saying that they're like happy new year's cards which are like from friends yeah
00:30:54
unless that's a tradition or something right so some people say it looks like the work of a
00:31:00
professional killer because how easily he killed the children was fine doing that um it's probably
00:31:07
not his clothing since he left it behind and then um maybe he wanted to look like a skater
00:31:15
just to kind of throw them off and be like leave them in a different direction yeah you know um
00:31:21
that's just it's just so many random things and also oh they also knew that the clothes were
00:31:27
washed in hard water not soft water so they hadn't been washed in japan oh wow i know what a weird
00:31:34
little detail i wonder does vegas have hard water right probably right yeah it's just it's just
00:31:40
it's frustrating that they can do so many little elements about these things but yet not have a
00:31:46
psychological profile or you know just be a little more specific as to who it could be like they have
00:31:53
an age range that's probably somewhere between their 20s and 30s also why was the little boy
00:31:59
strangled and everybody else stabbed yeah is that purely just convenience of you know wherever his
00:32:05
knife was or i mean like it's fascinating like what what the difference is what the details
00:32:11
actually point to that's why i can't stand ones that haven't been solved because it doesn't teach
00:32:16
you anything that's why i love them because you just because they're so it's such a bigger
00:32:22
it's just a bigger i feel like i'm let down when i'm like oh it's just some shithead psychopath
00:32:29
it's like not even worth anything he should have just killed himself rather than like
00:32:34
there's this mysterious guy in the world it could be a big deal it could be this crazy cover-up like
00:32:39
all the possibilities are so much better than what the reality really reality is which is that it's
00:32:44
some fucking asshole well also because you use your imagination and you basically write a mystery
00:32:49
story of like it's a person that that worked with the wife at the theater company yeah dressed up
00:32:56
like a skateboarder like because she had told him there was a skate park and he knew that there was
00:33:00
issues and there's problems and that's the perfect totally decoy oh maybe he just came to murder the
00:33:07
father because the father was you know a business associate of his and he needed you know and just
00:33:13
the family were witnesses and so he had to kill them all and just kind of freaked out and stayed
00:33:18
in the house until he figured out what to do but so that points away from a professional in any way
00:33:23
so does i think so does like eating popsicles and all that shit and shitting totally it makes me
00:33:30
think of mike from breaking bad and how when he goes to do stuff like you've seen all that right
00:33:35
where he he bought like the the that was actually from better call saul but uh a character on there
00:33:42
buys he knows he's being followed and he wants to make sure nobody gets the jump on him so he buys
00:33:47
a welcome mat and underneath it he puts that love ditto paper so he knew when people were standing
00:33:53
at his front door that is awesome it was like stuff like that i love that or when they put a
00:33:57
light a small like watch underneath the wheel of the car and when it runs over there that the time
00:34:03
stops of when that person left yes didn't they do that in that too probably that was probably in
00:34:07
breaking bad right some yeah some show i saw where they was like a watch stopped at this time that's
00:34:14
what time they left i had a roommate in san francisco that used to keep his pot in a drawer
00:34:19
in his room and when i would go to steal it while he was at work one time i found a hair laying across
00:34:25
the top so I pulled picked the hair up and I went in and took the pot and as much pot as I saw fit
00:34:30
that I deserved didn't pay for wasn't mine shut the drawer and put the hair back yeah so he could
00:34:36
and then he's a stoner so he was just paranoid to accuse me of taking his pot if you have sorry
00:34:41
if you close the door yeah if you put a little saliva on the hair and stick it to the thing or
00:34:51
a little tape on there the hair will break when you open the door yep love that trick love that
00:34:57
never used it but just the idea that he and i were involved in those kind that level of spy versus
00:35:04
spy totally stoner bullshit was super enjoyable um it makes me want to ask you all these questions
00:35:10
but i don't want to put you in a bad position but it makes me go like are serial killers common in
00:35:17
japan are rare like do we know anything culturally because that's like that i feel like we never hear
00:35:22
about it's like every once in a while you hear about that terrible girl the girl that got tortured
00:35:28
for 40 days by this awful fucking high schoolers or there was one guy that killed children that they
00:35:35
caught recently or whatever but you it's not like here where they're fucking coming out of
00:35:39
everybody's ass all right or it's a lot of gang gang killings right yeah it doesn't seem like
00:35:45
or like mass killings, but not as many like serial killers. No, people not sneaking in your window and killing an entire family.
00:35:52
And someone hypothesized that that why the cops have a lot of forensic capabilities but not a lot of problems like because they don deal with a lot of murders like this So they couldn really put it together as to what would happen Right
00:36:05
Yeah. Yeah. And they say the cops are, I don't know if it's that way anymore, but for a long time, the cops in Japan were just completely in bed with the.
00:36:14
Yeah. What is it? Ayiyaku. Azuka. Don't bring it up if you don't know, Karen. Don't mention it if you don't know the word.
00:36:23
Listen, this is an uncut, unedited podcast. In your face. We don't want to look smart for you.
00:36:28
We're in your face with our ignorance. Yeah. Doesn't matter. No, it doesn't. So that's my, yeah.
00:36:34
That's a good one. Sedagaya family murders. And how long ago did it happen? 16 years ago.
00:36:42
Oh, that's right. And there's been 2,4600 officers involved in the case to date, which seems like too many.
00:36:52
yeah and they've received more than 16 000 pieces of information from the public
00:36:57
yet the killer remains at large what if what's that what's that old lady next door no that's
00:37:02
what i want to know that her daughter's her entire family i mean she must is she still alive i don't
00:37:07
know but the the house is left the same like left oh like nobody's moved in there there's your horror
00:37:14
movie sure people go there right every year and place flowers on the date and stuff it's sad it
00:37:19
It was like a sweet looking little family. Of course. I mean, not that they would deserve it if they were not sweet looking, but they just look very normal.
00:37:28
Right. It's really sad. Please tell me that you have this solution to this case.
00:37:37
You know, I don't. That's what I need to hear from you. It's awful. And I keep thinking like, well, it was only 2016.
00:37:41
We recorded this. So maybe it's only been a little while. So maybe they'll solve it in the future.
00:37:46
But I forget how long ago 2016 was, and there's still not answers. And it's really tragic.
00:37:52
According to Japan Today, police hand out flyers every December with hope that someone will come forward with new information.
00:37:58
In the past, police have also displayed a mannequin wearing similar clothes to what they believe the killer wore, because it was like skater gear.
00:38:06
And there's so many specifics about the killer that I feel like someone in that area knew who he was.
00:38:13
Maybe he was just a drifter coming through town. like someone had seen him you know maybe it's in one of those tips they got who the fuck knows
00:38:19
well also the uh sand in the pocket being from an air force base so it's like clearly this was a
00:38:27
person who i think clearly it was a person who got in and got out yeah but yeah just like you
00:38:32
think that was a hit probably i mean i don't know and the whole the hard water cold water thing like
00:38:37
that is just so specific and so strange yep and also a police spokesman said that the department
00:38:43
will never give up until the case is solved. There's a 20 million yen reward for information
00:38:48
leading to the arrest of the killer or killers, which is about 136,000 US dollars.
00:38:55
Wow. So that's how we got so far. Hopefully when we do the rewind of the rewind,
00:38:59
we'll be able to tell you that this was solved. All right, so now it's time for your story from episode 15.
00:39:06
And this one is about Dr. Harold Shipman. Your husband is not who you think he is.
00:39:18
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00:39:23
I'm Dani Shapiro, and these are just a few of the stunning stories I'll be exploring on the 14th season of Family Secrets.
00:39:31
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00:39:41
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00:39:48
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00:39:54
but is trying to cook and feed me and keep me alive because I wasn't eating anything.
00:39:58
And me pretending like everything was fine. He kind of shoved me out of the way and said, move.
00:40:03
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00:40:08
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00:40:21
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00:40:25
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00:40:31
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00:40:48
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00:41:02
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00:41:22
My murder is like the one you talked about of a boring person that's just some guy.
00:41:29
And when you find out, you go, this schlub. But he's kind of like the height of that.
00:41:35
which I think is really fascinating. Every time I've seen him on year 28 at 2020 or your 48 hours or your 28
00:41:44
hours, the combo program, a little longer, a little longer day, 28 hours. It's a little bit longer of a day.
00:41:51
It's a, so much murder that we have to extend the day four hours. Um so mine and a lot of people have talked about this on the Facebook page Sorry to mention it again But it Dr Harold Shipman who was a GP in England Oh yes
00:42:06
He had, I think it was, it's near Manchester. I'm not going to talk about England like I know anymore.
00:42:13
Because did you see the posts about how wrong I was about the accent from Happy Valley?
00:42:18
It was hilarious how wrong I was. No, it sounded right to me. Of course it did. And the thing I forget is there's people in other countries listening to me.
00:42:28
Bullshit. People keep saying to us, when are you going to cover Australian? Like Australia's got some like gnarly murders.
00:42:34
Gnarly. Good ones. Crazy ones. We've got to do a couple of Australia episodes at some point.
00:42:39
Well, we did touch on it with your guy, the mystery man that they think they've solved.
00:42:42
Did you see that article? Yeah. The down. What's that guy's called? The. God, I don't know.
00:42:49
Your guy. I know. I know. Oh, forget it. Let's forget it. so my guy dr harold have i mentioned i have anxiety and i don't sleep at night
00:42:59
i don't sleep at night have i mentioned that this is just a podcast and uh if you need to
00:43:04
know factual shit go ahead and log on to cnn.com or maybe don't um okay so dr harold shipman is a
00:43:13
doctor he studied at the leeds school of medicine he graduated in 1970 um and the interesting about
00:43:22
thing about him to note is that um his mother who he was very close to uh had lung cancer and so um
00:43:33
she used to uh have morphine administered to her in the end stages lung cancer is a terrible
00:43:42
fucking disease and it's very bad in the end and um she died because uh a doctor gave her morphine
00:43:53
and and basically it ended up killing her um a purpose or an accident well i just think it was
00:44:01
like near the end you know maybe it was just like one too many it does i don't know the details but
00:44:07
he witnessed uh the pain go away even though she had this terrible lung cancer yeah and um
00:44:16
and he watched doctors come and basically take it away and whatever and then she died
00:44:21
like in one of those uh in one of those moments and he was there for all that and it was when he
00:44:28
was 17 so it's kind of a crucial time yeah so we're this is a person who is smart enough to
00:44:33
become a doctor, but who goes for this incredibly traumatic experience growing up. Okay, so this is
00:44:41
what I love. He goes to medical school. He graduates in 1970. In 1975, so five years later,
00:44:47
he's on his way of becoming a doctor. He gets caught for forging Demerol prescriptions.
00:44:56
and he gets fined 600 pounds he goes to rehab in New York and don't know where that is won't talk
00:45:05
about where it is um then he ends up uh working at Donnybrook Medical Center in Hyde which is near
00:45:12
Manchester all of this is off Wikipedia I don't know it factually in my own head so he basically
00:45:18
starts working at this place in 1977 and he uh he works there throughout the 80s
00:45:25
and then he starts his own surgery in 1993 he's a respected member of the community
00:45:32
uh he's just your standard awesome doctor until 1998 when deborah massey from frank massey and
00:45:41
son's funeral parlor goes to the corner and says uh we're getting a lot of deaths from dr shipman's
00:45:50
patients and there's a lot of cremation forms that he's the only person that has to sign it like
00:45:56
come on man yeah um so or maybe they i'm sorry they the funeral home needs to countersign the
00:46:05
cremation okay but that's when she notices and uh ends up going to another doctor and being like
00:46:11
here's the thing there's all these old ladies red flag no autopsies yeah going straight to
00:46:17
cremation yeah it's all from good old doctor shipment down the street yeah maybe somebody
00:46:21
should look into this yeah and she's gonna end up dead isn't she uh no i not that i know okay
00:46:28
but it could be um not according to wikipedia in my wildest imagination this bitch she was
00:46:36
she had a needle in her neck that night cremated um so they start the shipment report they start
00:46:43
to look into it in the police department but of course what do they do what do they always do
00:46:47
they assign it to inexperienced cops so they don't really find any serious problems it's all
00:46:53
kind of like well we can't prove anything it's that old thing and so uh everyone trusts a doctor
00:46:59
it's a doctor he's a beard he looks so plain he's totally the person that you would see
00:47:06
waiting for the bus and never look at twice i didn't know a lot of the story but i've seen
00:47:10
his photo and he looks just like a like he looks like your your stepdad exactly yes and he ruins it
00:47:15
because he isn't exciting and he didn't do he didn't do these he's one of the i think they say
00:47:22
that he's like the biggest serial killer there is because of the numbers they just can't prove the
00:47:29
numbers but like so they proved three for sure okay so he went you know he he went to jail ended
00:47:35
up hanging himself because you know of all of it but then once they start digging into it and they
00:47:42
do what they call the shipment report they they um assign people to look into all of the people
00:47:49
that he has treated, all of the people that have died and were cremated. And it's basically a majority of elderly women who up until that point were in perfect
00:48:00
They didn't go in with like long-term illnesses that he helped them get out of. He was just like...
00:48:07
It wasn't like Kevorkian. Yeah. It wasn't an unofficial Kevorkian. It was an old lady who would go to Dr. Shipman because she'd be like,
00:48:12
these corns on my feet or whatever because he's a GP, which here means general practice means like you go to them for whatever.
00:48:20
I have a sore throat. I think I got the flu and I'm old. We have to be careful. Sounds good.
00:48:25
Sounds good. Fucking. But in his mind, was he like, I'm getting, I'm helping you not have to ever go through this.
00:48:32
Like in his, or is he just enjoying? Well, he, I'm positive he enjoyed it because what that is, is you basically are becoming the angel of death.
00:48:39
So, and apparently that's a very common thing in doctors is they get the God complex where they can save your life and, and the healthy normal ones, which is hopefully the majority.
00:48:51
I almost immediately said majority, which who knows? they're all about saving and doing no harm and and they get all their joy and power from saving
00:49:00
you yeah but there are the ones and it happens you know it happens to nurses a lot too yeah
00:49:06
where they get the joy from deciding that it's time for you to go yeah and you can see where
00:49:13
the logic would be if his mother was suffered with lung cancer and he watched somebody give
00:49:18
morphine and kind of like make it all go away his you could see the logic behind it's an old lady
00:49:26
she's living maybe once he gets to know them i'm not sure the details but like that he basically
00:49:30
decides like you should we're gonna wrap this up for you i want to know his mindset i really wanted
00:49:35
to read his manifesto which sounds like he's the kind of person who would write one yeah i'm sorry
00:49:41
i don't know i'm just saying if he had like yeah like i'm so curious about his mindset if he was
00:49:45
being like malicious or if he thought he was like doing something good well i think i think he thought
00:49:52
he was doing good um i did see a uh one a murder show on this um on on dr shipman and i do remember
00:50:02
being bored while i was watching it yeah because once i got the fact that basically he would it
00:50:06
would be people who were in fine health elderly ladies he also was suspected of causing the death
00:50:14
of a four-year-old child in the early days. Oh my goodness. So there could have been like,
00:50:18
it could be that thing where that was a mistake, but then what he realized was he could have the joy of having that same thrill
00:50:25
of killing someone, but cover it so perfectly. It sounds a little like Munchausen by proxy, doesn't it?
00:50:31
Yes. But he's not getting empathy or sympathy. He's getting power. He's probably also getting praise in a way that's like,
00:50:41
I don't know, like there's something about it too, where it's like, oh, thank you, doctor, for everything you tried to do.
00:50:45
And you, you know, that kind of thing. Yes. And maybe it's the, what I think is kind of interesting is it's like,
00:50:53
so when you're a doctor, you are the elite. People can be in the way communities are based.
00:50:59
It's like, you're the one person that can help. You're the person everybody goes to.
00:51:03
You automatically are the person people trust because you do all this good and you're upstanding in the community or whatever.
00:51:11
so when like a taxi driver goes and says hey guess what uh my mother died and she shouldn't
00:51:17
have because yeah she had all this stuff we knew and she wasn't sick and da da da they go the cops
00:51:23
go okay sir which is literally what happened it was uh there there was a guy who went to the cops
00:51:28
first that that that's the reason they started that first inquiry and then they were like yeah
00:51:34
there's nothing we can prove and we don't and basically we don't believe you you're just a
00:51:37
working stiff you're a blue collar guy and this is this is our doctor and it's going to ruin his
00:51:43
reputation if you even look into it right you know what i mean like if you have to start asking
00:51:47
questions of other patients you have to like uh subpoena his records it's going to make it and
00:51:52
it's not true it's going to make him look really bad and he could probably sue for defamation maybe
00:51:58
probably i'm making that up well like everything else hard facts on our podcast but also it's that
00:52:05
thing you know those when you see the doctors who kill their wives and they keep that mask on
00:52:11
after they're convicted i know in jail they keep it on forever because they have already turned into
00:52:18
this person that's convinced they've done all the work of this is what i'm doing this is why it's
00:52:22
right or this is why i get to do whatever i want so you would have to you would then be facing a
00:52:28
person who it just made me think of uh like a forensic files that i saw that was in canada
00:52:36
about a doctor who shot this woman up with like basically the stuff they give you when you're
00:52:42
having a baby so that you just don't feel anything and you go paralyzed and you kind of are numb
00:52:48
and he rapes her and and then like and then thinks that she's gonna forget about it is
00:52:54
basically a kind of a rohypnol cocktail thing and then she accuses him of it everyone says you're
00:53:01
a crazy bitch you're a crazy bitch they do blood tests it's the blood doesn't match the dna doesn't
00:53:07
match you're a crazy bitch you're a crazy bitch for years they find out he had he had injected
00:53:12
remember that i do and the guy with his someone else's blood or what was yes one of his patients
00:53:18
so he's setting up another patient to defend himself against the rape of a first patient
00:53:23
and he had the blood injected into his arms so they keep going you're the crazy bitch so basically
00:53:30
you're taking on when you take on a doctor there's so much hot they truly are the elite
00:53:35
and if you are just a waitress or you're just a cab driver you're automatically wrong or a
00:53:42
prostitute or god forbid a prostitute you know what drives me you know what a sex worker sex
00:53:47
worker excuse me yeah in a perfect world like when when when you watch these video these these 40 these 28 hour videos of like you know the father did this the husband did this and they in court and then the um the jury says
00:54:03
guilty or not guilty whatever when they say guilty i feel like i wish that the guy would have to go
00:54:07
damn it you got me like i wish they would have to admit it if they did or not that's exactly right
00:54:12
you got me yeah because i just want to know like is that the wrong there's always that like what if
00:54:17
the wrong person's in prison but i just want i want to know and you're a fucking asshole so if
00:54:22
you did it like just own up to it so everyone can move the fuck on i know you got me okay would that
00:54:27
be like starts laughing state or country okay you're right this is over shakes the prosecutor's
00:54:34
hands you know what fair play yeah fair play you got me i i totally slowly killed a bunch of
00:54:42
undeserving people oh and his numbers just to get for one second dr shipman uh where was it um
00:54:51
459 people died while under his care they just can't prove how many were victims and how many
00:55:03
he was just a doctor that certified his death and that it didn't have anything to do with i wonder
00:55:07
how many is like standard it can't be more than a hundred it can't be how many people die in a year
00:55:15
in a small town i don't know if it's small is it a year i don't know how big it is a year
00:55:20
no no no no no that was over it that's like a uh almost a 30 year span oh 71 to 98 wow and that
00:55:30
they think the probable number of definite victims between 71 and 98 is 250, but 459 people
00:55:39
died in that amount of time. They just can't, they can't prove. I have a question, important
00:55:45
question. Where does the number two, where does the year 2000 fit into all this? Because guess
00:55:51
what i think he got arrested in 2000 okay um yes that's right because they started the lady from
00:56:01
frank massey and son's funeral home and her name is deborah massey so i want to go are you the
00:56:06
unfortunate daughter that works at frank massey and son's funeral home that sucks sorry deborah
00:56:11
and and also high five for yeah for getting this whole thing going but yeah i think she went that
00:56:16
she went to them in 98 and so basically he ended up getting looked into and arrested in 2000 i'm
00:56:22
gonna accept that i swear to god i'm not gonna make you start over please please don't because
00:56:27
this was this was borderline homolka um level lack of information yeah i found a lot of those
00:56:35
there was one of a girl who was riding her bike and just disappeared and like all these people um
00:56:40
copped to it but they didn't and it was like just fucking sad for a 2000 yeah yeah and that was like
00:56:46
the only other one that I found that was like that interesting to me. I feel like people thought that year was going to be way,
00:56:52
way worse than it actually turned out to be. Well, I mean, you're just under the fucking horizon of nine 11.
00:56:58
So that's right. You know, what was interesting going through and I don't have the education to even like
00:57:05
really theorize, but I kept seeing all these things where they were like nuclear secrets leaked.
00:57:10
There are all these things in the year 2000 that I just kept going. I wonder if this is,
00:57:14
has anything to do with the nine 11. you know what i mean here and there there would just be a thing nuclear secrets there was something
00:57:22
bombing somewhere yeah murder of all these people in this thing yeah yeah tide man what if in this
00:57:29
podcast we fucking uncover some crazy government secrets and then we're on the run yes oh my god
00:57:35
and we only like all the like facebook group people like were there like like hide us out
00:57:41
and they're like create an underground railroad across the country and throughout the world now
00:57:45
that we know that there are people in Wales listening. And the only way that the government knows that we were there
00:57:51
is that they all have t-shirts. Giving them all free t-shirts for couch surfing. We have to make new t-shirts for when we're
00:57:57
on the run. Totally. It'll be like the 2016 tour. And it'll show what cities we're going to be in, which is
00:58:05
a bad idea. That's right. We have to keep changing the cities on the back of the shirt around. Keep adding
00:58:11
them. And then those people get arrested. Canceled. Canceled. Just, no, not happening.
00:58:19
Ugh, what a fucking monster, that guy. So crazy. Okay, so I didn't clearly state in this episode,
00:58:26
Harold Shipman was officially charged with the murders of 15 women, ranging in age from 49 to 81.
00:58:34
In January of the year 2000, a jury found Shipman guilty of 15 counts of murder,
00:58:39
plus a count of forgery, because he had tried to forge the will of a patient named Cassidy.
00:58:45
Kathleen Grundy before he murdered her. Interesting, because then it shows motive.
00:58:49
Because we were always like, did he, was he trying to be, you know, merciful somehow in his mind?
00:58:55
Or what was this about? Like angel of death. Yeah. And to get money is just a clear fucking greedy motive.
00:59:03
Also, it makes me think what can they go through and check. I mean, maybe they already have.
00:59:09
But like, just check all of that because then, yes, there is, it's not such a fascinating psychological.
00:59:15
study anymore. It's just like gross sociopath. He was sentenced to life in prison, but he died
00:59:21
by suicide while in prison. And according to his Wikipedia page, he is, quote, the only British
00:59:27
doctor to have been convicted of murdering patients. Wow. Yeah, we do a lot of nurses
00:59:31
eventually, but not doctors. Right. Kind of tied to the thing we were talking about at the last show
00:59:38
of like women being poisoners when they serial killers So it is it a real weird crossover Here the only good part of this conversation You at one point go where does the year 2000 play into all of this
00:59:53
And I go, I think he got arrested in 2000. I think he got arrested. So even then, when it's like, this is the theme, it's your big chance to prove why you didn't know what episode it was.
01:00:06
And you're so excited about Y2K. And then you didn't fucking, there's no ending.
01:00:11
Well, I think that's why this is the last episode where we do themes. Thank God. This is it. We gave it a couple episode run. It was hard.
01:00:20
Yes. To put a little. So then we were just like, let's just do stories we can't wait to tell each other.
01:00:25
Let's just get our book reports done by any means necessary. And then, yeah, the next thing would be now actually get them done.
01:00:34
Right. Karen. Oh. Okay, let's see how we wrap this up. Here's the end of episode 15.
01:00:41
i have to go to therapy now oh yeah i schedule therapy after this podcast because
01:00:50
i think that's good timing it probably is um all right well then we'll save you know what we should
01:00:55
do is do a mini with with emails because we've got a bunch of great emails definitely that's what i
01:00:59
was just checking to see if we had time for but this is from sam and that the title of is it my
01:01:04
The title of it is My Grandma and Albert Fish. Hell yeah. Right? Hey, ladies. I just finished listening to the Cannibal episode, which my dad and I listened to in the car to and from getting some groceries.
01:01:17
Aw, dad. Hi. After you started introducing Fish's story, my dad turns to me and says, you know, your grandma and her sister were babysat by Albert Fish.
01:01:25
Are you kidding me? To which I responded, shut your mouth. but he was totally serious and is surprised.
01:01:32
I don't remember my grandma talking about it when I was much younger. He says they lived next door to him in this same apartment building.
01:01:41
What the shit? My grandma Joan was born in 1931 in Brooklyn, and the Wikipedia says Fish was apprehended in 1934,
01:01:47
so I doubt she would have remembered much, but her sister Doris is a couple years older,
01:01:51
and it's feasible that she would remember this little old man. Read super insane, disturbed, and terrifying creature.
01:01:58
Unfortunately, my grandma died a few years ago. And so I've never, and I've never actually met Doris.
01:02:03
So I can't back up any of this with face-to-face memories. But my dad isn't one to make up creepy stories.
01:02:09
And I only have third-hand info, but I had to share it with you on the chance it might be true.
01:02:14
You know what? We're all about that. It's true. It is true to us. I'm going to go on record.
01:02:18
It's true. Because the joy of it. Wow. The joy of it. Who the fuck would let? Can you imagine?
01:02:24
Sorry, this is the end. Can you imagine finding out that the neighbor you'd been depending on to watch your kids while you were at work was America's boogeyman?
01:02:32
I just don't think of a time in my life when I would leave my baby with an old man.
01:02:39
Like, no matter for any reason, A, he'll drop the baby. Yeah. And then, like, worst case scenario, he'll eat the baby.
01:02:46
Yeah. Although that, I really do think Albert Fish is that thing. he was unimaginable to people up until that point unimaginable that's true that an old man would be
01:02:59
that awful in every way people still kind of trust old people a little too much i feel like
01:03:07
when they say oh look at that like cute sweet old man it's like well he pedophiles get old
01:03:13
that's exactly oh man nazis get old they like like really mean bitches who are like the mean people
01:03:21
they get old they live the longest it seems like everyone gets old including pedophiles and
01:03:26
murderers so don't don't fucking don't fall for that shit i feel like it's insulting to old people
01:03:30
to immediately assume that they're sweet and fucking well-intentioned that's right you know
01:03:35
by the time you're old you're either completely evil or an american hero and that's pretty much
01:03:41
it pick one the week the week have been weeded out or they've been killed by dr shipman
01:03:48
calm british dr shipman who can you imagine he was just like yes put your foot up on my knee and
01:03:57
we'll look at your corns you're dead tea or anything oh oh goodbye goodbye good night um
01:04:06
the thing is to trust no one except the people who are like clearly displaying their craziness
01:04:12
that's right right yeah because everyone's crazy so the people who are hiding it well the most
01:04:18
the wellest the wellest thank you are the craziest look at us we have a fucking podcast
01:04:26
talking about our crazy guys it isn't the worst thing in the world uh you can be crazy just be a
01:04:35
little light-hearted about it yeah i think that's i think that's the point is that the point absolutely
01:04:40
maybe you don't have to take needles and put them under your skin because you're crazy the way
01:04:45
albert fish did right wasn't it filled with needles in his penis really yes god that guy
01:04:52
was intense yeah they found a bunch of needles up there i mean urethra dude take a walk around the
01:04:59
block breathe deeply you know it would have helped him meditation yeah that's right transcendental
01:05:05
meditation yeah probably it probably would have clear your mind of those needle thoughts
01:05:11
clear your urethra of those needle thoughts mr fish right should we shut this one down yeah
01:05:17
definitely it definitely should um well thanks we're looking forward to episode 16 next
01:05:24
next week where we'll talk about 15 of the best murders ever i love it thanks for listening uh
01:05:32
we're at my favorite murder everywhere and tell the iTunes how much you like us rate and review and subscribe and thanks for listening We appreciate your support And stay sexy Don get murdered
01:05:46
Bye. All right. So another great hometown in that one. Oof. Like shocking and awful.
01:05:57
Yes. And kind of. The beginning of your parents telling you shit that why haven't you told me this?
01:06:02
That's fucking insane. Well, and then once you know the story, you're like, oh, yes, never tell a child anything ever related to that.
01:06:11
It's so disturbing. So as we said in this episode, we first hear the phrases, look, listen, and you're in a cult, call your dad.
01:06:19
And we actually right now have some really cute brand new you're in a cult items designed by Jess Rotter, who's a listener of the podcast.
01:06:28
What's up? So go to myfavoritemurder.com. You can find all that merch there. And now I think we pick a new title for episode 15, although I think it's comedic perfection.
01:06:38
This title and the entire Mr. Magoo handling of everything around it is like, well, this is comedy at our best, I think.
01:06:46
Yeah. Yeah. We're correcting ourselves before the show even starts. But we could go with why to what?
01:06:54
Oh, yeah. Or, of course, you're in a cult call your dad. Right. We could use don't go anywhere, which was you talking about Jonestown and going to second locations.
01:07:02
The great quote from 30 Rock, never go with a hippie to a second location. That's right.
01:07:08
I mean, it fits so well in this scenario. And then a little longer day after you've called 2020 48 hours.
01:07:15
Or no, you call it 28 hours. 28 hours, which is the combo of 2020 and 48 hours. I just wish people understood how I got up in the morning, drank a pot of coffee, worked a full job, and then tried to figure out how to get my goddamn podcast homework done.
01:07:30
Little did I know. Little did I know. And here you are. You fucking did it. I did it.
01:07:34
And I was putting my coins into the slot machine. You were on your way to a different win and working hard for a different win.
01:07:41
And then this fucking other win came and body slammed you out of the blue. And it wasn't even a win you were looking for.
01:07:47
So it's almost like a double win. And I think that's kind of what you were talking about at the top.
01:07:51
We don't know. We don't know what's best. No. We think we know what's best. We dedicate ourselves to entire things and get very identified with it.
01:07:59
Yeah. But the truth is that by the time this podcast started getting popular, it was actually really exciting to consider that I wouldn't have to keep doing that job because it was like, oh, wait, now I can do my thing.
01:08:11
I don't have to write for somebody else. I don't have to do it for somebody else.
01:08:15
Right. There's other avenues. You never know what's going to happen in your life.
01:08:18
I mean, I don't think we were older. I think we were normal. But a lot of people are like, they decide what to do with their lives in their 20s, which is bananas to me.
01:08:26
And you just never know what's going to happen in the future. everything could completely change and what I'm learning through all of our rewinding is that the
01:08:35
key to life truly is pivoting being able to pivot yeah I really think it's crucial and it's hard to
01:08:41
do because you sometimes don't want to it's a control issue or it's like I had my plan and I
01:08:48
was supposed to be this thing and it's like why yeah I was supposed to be a tv writer what no
01:08:53
No, actually, I wanted to be Annie in the musical Annie. That's actually the true dream.
01:08:59
Yeah. And it's still possible, Karen. You've still got that. Keep that dream alive.
01:09:07
Perm that hair, dye it red, because you never know when they're going to be like, oh, no,
01:09:11
our lead dropped out and our second's out, too. Does anyone in the audience here at Annie on Broadway know all the words?
01:09:18
I know all the words. And I've got the hair to prove it. And I'm keeping this perm tight.
01:09:26
Yeah, dreams do come true, everybody. Yeah, but sometimes you got to kick that door open to that dream.
01:09:32
You know? Yeah, that's right. It's not all floaty. No. Anyway, stay sexy. And don't get murdered.
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