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Hello. And welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia. Rewind. And rewild because I almost said a different podcast name.
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No, this is the other podcast. It's brand new. It's our Wednesday episode. Every week we go back.
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We're re-listening to our first episodes, the early episodes, the deep cuts. And we're talking about what's changed.
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We're giving you any case updates. You know, it's a full recap show. Yeah. You know, you get it.
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Today, we're going back to episode 18. It was posted on Thursday, May 19, 2016. And I think this is one of my favorites of the number puns we did.
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Investigate Teen Discovery. It's pretty great. It's pretty great. I love that one.
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It's really hard. Always love that one. It's hard to argue with. It's really right there.
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It's for everybody. It pleases all people, I think. Now it's time for you to find a Trekkie, your favorite child, pick one, and a badass survivor
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to listen along with you because now we can all be day one listeners. okay i guess it's time now to listen to the intro how we kicked off episode 18
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investigate teen recovery we're just investigate teen discovery okay right i can i can match your volume can you match up here yes i was gonna sing but you don't
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you don't want that i just don't want to sing what the fuck oh yes you do don't make me sing
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i'm mad at it elvis is getting the fuck out of everyone's a good singer when you sing like that
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when you sing like a jingle singer you're good watch your hand on the you're already doing it
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okay maybe we should get like mic stands hold the mic like marilyn macu who's that the host of
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solid gold. You're too young. I get what you mean, but I don't know who. It's Dionne Warwick held it like this too.
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We were just pinching it. That's what I got. Guys, are we on? Oh, that whole thing was the opening
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of the show. Oh, good, good. For sure. Quality. That's quality shit right there. Maybe don't... We're trying to make sure
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that our mics... That the sound quality is legit. What do I sound like? Maybe don't... Maybe let's
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try not to touch the cord. He has so many rules this week. Maybe don't get comfortable.
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Could you please sit up straight? Yeah. Maybe stand on one foot. I was definitely way too loud at the beginning of last episode.
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I've never noticed that. I cried in my car because it sounded so obnoxious. But I did.
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That was the day I had a pour over coffee. Oh, cold brew coffee. Oh, fuck cold brew.
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I think maybe a little lower. Okay. Because you look so uncomfortable right now.
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I am uncomfortable. Hang out. I've never noticed a weird like I've never noticed it weird
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but I'm busy laughing my ass off at us when I listen so you look so uncomfortable
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get comfortable just be aware I think you're fine okay yeah guys everyone happy?
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let's go see we're gonna take that whole part off no we're not welcome to my favorite murder
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behind the scenes behind the scenes behind the crime scene it's the this is the director's cut of my favorite murder
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You know, remember in a minute ago, I wrote something down and I was like cracking myself up by it.
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Yeah. Want to know what it was? Yes. Okay. Because, oh, well, I guess we should introduce the show.
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You just did it. I did. I did. And they know her name. I'm Karen Colgariff. That's the voice you're listening to right now is Karen Colgariff.
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I think you have like a gravelly, sexy voice. Yeah. I was trying to make it sound kind of sexy.
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You stay sexy. Yeah. And I try not to get murdered. Right. And you have a murder voice.
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I fucking, my voice, man. I sound like a cartoon character. Like a bull, like the little like female bully
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cartoon character. Be careful of what you say because our voices sound very similar.
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People talk about it all the time. I know, but people have a hard time. I appreciate that. Okay.
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So I was going to say we have to do what's it called when you like do a wrap up in the beginning? Housekeeping.
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Housekeeping But I said maybe instead we should call it crime scene cleanup That what made you laugh so hard This is the problem of having self is you just think you very funny
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Yeah, you're getting a real big head. There's so many problems with having self-esteem.
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Right. This is one of them. It's a spiral of liking yourself and it's disgusting.
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It is. It never goes well. No, you need an intervention eventually. You are definitely driving toward a brick wall.
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But I think I'm doing a great job driving that car. That's right. You're like, check this out.
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I'm shifting into third. Boom. Reality hits. But I am good at stick shift. Me too.
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My father taught us it was very important that we learned how to drive a stick, not lug the
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engine, not grind the gears. It's very important. I don't even know what any of that means because I never did it.
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No, that's not true. I used to grind the shit out of that thing. But I knew how to drive it.
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Well, that's good. Yeah, I think that's such a badass lady thing to know. You know what?
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It's actually a prerequisite because then any situation that you're in, if you get into a car,
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it doesn't matter what car it is. You should also learn how to hotwire cars. You always have a way out.
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Well, here's another thing. Did you watch the movie with... Here I go again. No, you got it.
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With Kirsten Dunst, where it's the end of the world. Yes. Okay, so like none of the cars start anymore
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because they're all electronic and computerized. And so once that shit cuts out,
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you're going to have to fucking hotwire a 72 Datsun. That's right. And get the fuck out of there.
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And guess what? It's stick shift. It's stick shift. If you get on a hill, you don't have to hotwire it.
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You take that emergency brake off. You throw it into second. You start rolling down the hill and you pop it into gear and it will go.
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I used to drive it, have a little Vespa and you'd have to do that all the run. Give it a running start.
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Yeah. Which was terrifying. Yeah. Fuck yeah. Yeah. You got it. Standard shift, everybody.
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Got to learn it. An end of the world podcast. Also, it's much easier. It's one of those things where like, you know, when you're little and you didn't know how
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to tell time and you're like, this is impossible. I'm never going to learn it. When I was little, you mean recently.
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It just takes me an extra beat. Yeah. It's a thinker. Yeah. You got to think about it.
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But driving a stick shift, it's an H shape, H formation. First gear, top of the H, second gear, bottom of the first stick of the H.
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The middle part is neutral. Then you're going into third over at the top of the second stick.
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You know what? When it comes down to it, I mean, if you're getting, if you need to get the fuck out of there,
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burn up that first gear and just fucking. Just go. Just go. Throw it into second because actually you can lug it a little bit in second.
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You can, but you get, you can get more speed. This is a very real thing I have pictured in my mind right now.
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I feel like we're helping one person. Every time we do. Every time. But also just get some like dude who might even like you a little bit, who would be willing to
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spend a half an hour in the CVS parking lot with you and just drive a stick shift around.
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10 minutes of that is giving him a hand job as a thank you. Yeah. It's just your hand.
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That's disgusting. No, I mean, ew, gross. What's wrong with you? All of that should get cut out for sure.
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Okay. Now starting now. Hi, welcome to my favorite murder. We're the worst people.
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Stupid. We're the best people. We're the... okay we're just trying to help you and relax after a long day sure of work yeah we're doing it i don't
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work but we're doing it you do i kind of work i had therapy today oh that's work it is how was it
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great my new therapist is i guess she's not new anymore but you know when you the the times i'm
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like my therapy is the best is when i go in there being like i don't know what the fuck we're gonna
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talk about today i'm doing great yeah i'm feeling good like i don't have a thing to like bring to her
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and then it's like the best day of therapy yes because it kind of blindsides you yeah something
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comes out and then you're like holy shit because it can lead anywhere as opposed to like here's
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this problem i need you to help me walk through it right it's like it's the background to what
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to when you do bring her a problem she's gonna be like here are the little things you've already
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told me when we didn't have anything to talk about that are that are the reason you're doing
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this fucking thing. Also, things can dawn on you when you have days like that where you're talking
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and then you go, wait a second, that's why I got so upset. For real? Yes. You can't. I was just
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going to say what was it. It was all sex stuff. So I'll tell you after about the fucked up porn
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I'm into. But I don't want to talk about it on the podcast. Is this our rated X? We haven't really
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gone into sex that much personally on this on this podcast i feel like that is not a necessary
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thing that's not our area i feel like there's probably plenty of podcasts that do that even
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that handjob joke was very off color for us there's got to be high schoolers listening to this
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which oh they love handjob jokes though oh yeah okay they know what handjobs are that's are you
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kidding me i don't they're like snapchatting them left right and center oh they do all day
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housekeeping housekeeping okay we have t-shirts available at myfavoritemurdershirts.com
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they're only available till June 1st at which point the orders are going to be fulfilled
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and then we're going to come out with a new shirt probably like the beginning of July
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but this is the last time for the time being that you're able to get this shirt yeah
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so you should go get one we promise that the first person we see wearing this shirt
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we will hug and then murder because wouldn't that be funny yeah That's the ultimate prize.
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And then thank you to the moderator. Okay, so on the Facebook page that we're madly in love with.
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That we're now up to 8,000 people? It's nuts. Now it's growing exponentially. It my home I so in love with it It where I go first thing every morning I really do It just makes me it made Facebook not awful
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Yeah. It's the best. It's all Facebook is to me. Yeah. So we want to thank the murderators.
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Yes. The murderators. Right. Georgia made that up earlier. I was really proud. Thank you.
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Ari and Alex are our main murderators and they are fucking killing it. They're the OG murderators.
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They are. Yeah. From the beginning. original murderator night stalker elena jesse and kristen with an an i just want to make kristen
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kristen kristen but you but you're all fucking i love it's all women i love that it's fucking
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and i think some of the second phase murderators are european right so they're like around the
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clock up on it yeah i think one might be in australia right and i think one might be in
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let's I imagine her um somewhere in Scandinavia oh right oh and then then in a lighthouse in
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Greenland she's just she only has a she has to ride a bike to get internet connection
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like a stationary bike she's just like doing it thank you so much girl she's a great shape
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now that she's found us um there's also besides the shirt there's a lot of um there's a lot of
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people on the Facebook page that are making like that are just going off yes and making
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their own crafts murder crafts we love there's a girl who's making cross stitch like which i love
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when cross stitches i have one that says um bitch please with like flowers coming out of it like i
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love when i like that so her her this is is her name flossy or is the other girl's name flossy
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i don't know but one's named flossy and that i love that name so much it's genius okay one girl
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is the girl who's cross stitch you can get uh stay sexy don't get murdered there's like an ed
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gain one. Here's the thing. Fuck everyone, which I clearly need to buy. She is killer cross stitching,
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which killer killer with a K cross with a K and then stitching on Etsy. Go buy her shit. She's
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in Indianapolis, which proves me wrong that I thought nobody lived there anymore. Yeah, she does.
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She does. And good for her. And you guys, thank you. You're fucking the listeners. You guys are.
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You're killing it. And then I think it's if if cross stitcher's name is not Flossie,
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then Flossie's the one that's making the metal stamp pendants. Right. I don't think she has an Etsy yet.
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Oh, but she's going to. Yeah. But she put a picture up on the Facebook page and they're awesome.
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They're the best. Stay sexy. Don't get murdered right on your key chain or wherever you might want to put it.
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Right. And I feel like, yeah, that's going to be the next shirt too. Gotta be. Yeah.
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Gotta be. People are clamoring for it. Yeah. We are going to get an official design going and release that mother.
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I'm feeling a little emotional recoil from telling my period story. I think it was a mistake.
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We can cut it out. So stop talking about it. Okay, bye. Because then there's going to be no like recall.
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Oh, actually, let's leave that part in. Because they'll know they fucking missed.
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And they're going to be like, what is she talking about? I love that this is where the listener art starts coming into play.
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And those cross stitching and the quotes and Etsy rears its head. It's exciting.
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Well, that's like the true community starts to build here in that way. The community is becoming self-aware and like becoming its own thing. And I feel like there was a time where on that Facebook page, people started less trying to talk to you and I or to the podcast or whatever. And they just started talking to each other. And I think that was around this time where it was like, oh, yeah, I'm going to make this thing. Do you want to buy it on my Etsy shop?
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Like that it became that where they were truly becoming a community, in my opinion.
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And it was pretty cool. And it like kind of exploded out from this Facebook group into like the wild of the Internet and like other people saw it.
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So that, yeah, it just was interesting. And this episode is a fucking classic, like maybe one of our most popular episodes because of the story you're about to tell, which I had never heard.
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And of course, anyone who listens to it has never stopped thinking about it. Yeah.
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So let's rewind to Karen's story from episode 18, the incredible survival story of Mary Vincent.
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history. I'm Dani Shapiro, and these are just a few of the stunning stories I'll be exploring
00:17:02
on the 14th season of Family Secrets. And just then, we felt the plane turn in the air,
00:17:09
so much so that the bags that were under people's seats just kind of flew into the aisle.
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Each week, we dive headfirst into the complex power of secrecy, how it shapes our identities and relationships,
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and how it ultimately can reveal to us our truest selves. My daughter, she's pretending she doesn't know,
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but is trying to cook and feed me and keep me alive because I wasn't eating anything.
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and me pretending like everything was fine. He kind of shoved me out of the way and said, move.
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And he went out the front door, and he jumped in a car and drove off, and that was the last time I saw him.
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We're recording it as we tailgate our youth soccer games in the back of my Honda Odyssey.
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should we get into the murder oh sorry i don't know how to sing as i mentioned earlier they didn't know that was
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oh here we go guys here we go i'm going first this week i think you're first i think i am i'm
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gonna get cuddled in yeah i'm gonna have this half a glass of whiskey i drank some of your whiskey
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I wish I could. I drank all mine already. Before you were 30. It was up, yeah, in 1997, I had my last one.
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Shit. God, I was good at it. My therapist told me that we're doing an experiment where I'm drinking two glasses of booze a day just to see how it goes.
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So I'm allowed to have two glasses of booze a day. Oh, no more, no less? Yeah, we're just like seeing how this goes. So it's almost like...
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What if you don't feel like it? Oh, no, then I still have to... You force it down.
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Yeah, and this is clearly like, this was two glasses of whiskey in one big cup. Oh, that's fun. Does that count as one? It does to me.
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There you go. If I was your therapist, hell yeah, girl. I had this realization when I was trying to think of this week's, because I get very like, when I look at the
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Facebook page, there's so many good cases and there's so many people who are very passionate
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about the cases that are their stories or just ones they like or think are fascinating.
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um there was a guy that tweeted me a case his at his twitter handle was at arkansasyer so it was
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almost like arkansas lawyer and it was a case of a guy i think his name was bobby lee foster or bobby
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joe foster who killed his own mother edna and decapitated her and put the head in the local
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church and then took the eyes and mailed them to eisenhower what in the actual fuck yeah it was
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crazy. But, um, uh, so I was kind of into that. Thank you for sending that. I love it. I mean,
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you know, but I had a realization that when we were talking about our kickoff murders,
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um, the ones that got us kind of into it, I realized that factually and date wise,
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I had an earlier one than Diane Downs and it, it, because it happened in the Bay area. Um,
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And it's this Lawrence Singleton attack on Mary Vincent and later murder of. So I'll just tell you about it.
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Let's unpack. Let's unpack this. It happened in 1978. So I was eight years old and this was on the news.
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It was like in 1979 is when he went to trial and all this stuff happened. And it was on the news every night.
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My parents were livid. They talked about it all the time. You must have just been you were there, too.
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Yes, because we watched the news together as a family every night before dinner.
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I feel like there's nothing more harmful for a kid than the news. Yeah, no one knew.
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I know. This was the late 70s where no one knew what was good or bad for children.
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It was all just like, eat your cereal, go outside, try to survive, come home, and then we'll watch the news together.
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It was a generation away from children, after children being coal miners. It was that weird time in between coal mining and children being carried their entire lives until they get to college.
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Right. Essentially. So I'm the last of the last of that generation I lived. So here's the story.
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On September 29th, 1978, a man named Lawrence Singleton, who was a merchant seaman, always a bad job.
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Richard Speck was a merchant seaman. Oh, really? Yeah. It's bad news. I think it's what happens when you're like super fucked up and, but you're so fucked up, you don't want to join the army.
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Right. So you're like, oh, I'll go out on a ship for a while with a bunch of dudes.
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Yeah. So he picked up a 15 year old hitchhiker named Mary Vincent in Berkeley, California.
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Honey. Mary had run away from home. She lived in Las Vegas. Her parents were getting divorced.
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It was all fucked up. And she had friends in the Bay Area and relatives. so she made her way up to the Bay Area,
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but she was homesick and she'd been on her own for a while. She had a boyfriend that was bad to her.
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She left him, ran away. She just wanted to get back home. Sweetie. So she is hitchhiking in Berkeley
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and a van pulls up and there are two people hitchhiking behind her. Now, just so you know,
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Mary Vincent herself tells this story on an episode of I Survived. It was season four, episode one.
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And it is epic. I know you don't like survivors. I fucking love survivors. And things like this, where you get the firsthand account of something.
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This story is also insanely fucked up. I guess if there is, she's, it's been that long.
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I can deal with it. Right. And she's, it's when they can tell their own story. They're not, you know, that they're able, they're in charge of this narrative and they
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can tell you what happened. And then, yeah. And like when it's a grizzled fucking bartender, like cafe waitress, and she's
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like, this, this is what fucking happened to me. I can deal with it. But when it's like some like
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college girl whose life is ruined. No, you will, because here's the thing, the saddest part about it, but the truest part about it is it happens to a lot of people. So
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when you have one woman sitting there going A, B, here's what happened to me, A, B, C, and D,
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you not only get the don't fucking hitchhike, keep your eyes open, pick up on context clues,
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you have all that, but you also have survive and you can survive and you can come out the other
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end and help other people. And it's okay to tell your story. You don't have to keep this huge secret.
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There's other people who have been through similar or worse. And you have to tell your story. That's
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part of healing. Right. So, so a lot of what I have here is basically her firsthand account.
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Holy shit. So the van pulls up and there's two hitchhikers behind her in Berkeley, 78.
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And the guy that's driving the van says he only has room for one person and says it's Mary. Well,
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the two hitchhikers behind her go, don't get in that van because they can see into the back of
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the van, the whole thing's empty. There's plenty of room. But if a person's saying he only has room
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for the young girl, they go, don't take that ride. But she was so tired. She just wanted to get home.
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So she was like, and he looked like a grandfather. Oh, really? Yes. He's this big pot belly kind of
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grizzly old guy. He was like in his mid sixties at the time. So she's like, what's that guy going
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to do? So she gets in and she's really tired. She's been walking and hitchhiking for a long time.
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So she says I'm trying to go back home to Las Vegas He says I'll give you I'm going to Reno
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But I'll give you a ride to Los Angeles Which is that right there What? That doesn't make any sense
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It doesn't make any sense Why? So she settles in And she falls asleep Don't do it
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Don't do it She wakes up And they have gone east and not south When she finally sees a sign
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They're somewhere out in Patterson They're somewhere out by Modesto. They're on the other side of the five.
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There's a lot of, for people not from here, there's a lot, especially in the 70s, there's a lot of no man's land.
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Yes. A lot of, especially in the Central Valley, which is where he drove her out to.
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It's just all empty, rural farmland roads, little hills with an oak tree on top. There's nothing.
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So she notices that they're going east. She freaks out, confronts him, says, what the hell are you doing?
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He says, I'm sorry, I'm an honest man. I made an honest mistake. Let me just turn around.
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He pulls around. He turns around, starts going down the road. And he says, sorry, I have to go.
00:26:04
I have to relieve myself. He pulls the van over. She's getting nervous. She realizes this is now a bad situation.
00:26:12
It's nighttime. He's down relieving himself. And she looks down and realizes one of her shoes untied.
00:26:19
And she thinks to herself, if I have to run for some reason, And I could outrun this old fat guy.
00:26:24
But if I have to do it, she's like, I got to tie my shoe. So she gets out of the van too.
00:26:29
She bends over to tie her shoe and she blacks out. He hit her in the head with a sledgehammer.
00:26:37
She wakes up. She's tied up in the back of the van. After her sledgehammer hit, she wakes up?
00:26:42
She wakes up. So he just conks her out. Yeah, she doesn't like, thank God she didn't die.
00:26:49
When she wakes up, she's tied up and she's naked. Oh, fuck. And he starts raping her.
00:26:54
He rapes her all night and into the morning. And the whole time she's, of course, crying.
00:26:59
She's 15 years old, crying, whatever, and saying, just set me free. Please, I won't tell anyone.
00:27:04
Just set me free. Sometime in the morning when he's finally done, he pulls her out of the van, unties her,
00:27:13
and says, you want to be set free? I'll set you free. Picks up a hatchet. No. Out of the back of the van.
00:27:21
cuts off her left arm. She's screaming below the elbow. She's screaming, freaking out, going crazy.
00:27:31
She grabs him with her right arm, going, freaking out. He takes the hatchet and he starts hacking off her right arm.
00:27:41
What the fuck? But the craziest thing to me is, as you're telling this, I'm like reminding myself that she survived,
00:27:47
but it doesn't fucking sound like she's going to. I know, I know. It's crazy. So she is holding on to him,
00:27:55
but she falls backwards anyway. And that's when she realizes that her right hand has been,
00:28:01
her right arm has been chopped off. Oh my God. So she's all, of course, in total shock, confused, losing blood, looking.
00:28:08
And this is the most fucked up part of her story. There's more fucked up than that.
00:28:12
This is, it peaks in fucked upness right here. Holy shit. She sees him, she's looking
00:28:18
and like she can't understand what just happened. and she's looking at him and he is flicking his arm like this.
00:28:24
He's flicking his arm out. Yes. No. She looks and her right hand is still holding onto his arm.
00:28:31
Oh my fucking... Ew, I just got... I gave myself chills and I know this story. Because you had your hand
00:28:36
in like a claw just now. I did it. So she passes out or she like kind of goes limp.
00:28:43
Sure. She's bleeding, obviously profusely, losing blood, lightheaded, laying on the ground.
00:28:49
So she just goes limp because she just doesn't know what to do. She's now in the presence of a monster.
00:28:54
He thinks she's dying or dead. He drags her body over to the railing and throws her over a 30-foot cliff.
00:29:04
On the way down, she breaks four ribs and he drives away. Now, later on, when the police catch him, which I'll just let you off the hook now, the police catch him.
00:29:15
and they put together that the reason he did that was because he thought she'd be dead
00:29:19
and he didn't want them to be able to get her fingerprints did they okay who found her
00:29:29
how did she get found I tell you now so she's down in this fucking ravine and she's laying there
00:29:39
and she's losing blood like crazy and she wants to go to sleep but she said that there was a voice in her head saying,
00:29:47
you cannot go to sleep. You have to get up so they can catch this guy. So she puts her bloody stumps in the dirt and makes a mud pack So she stops losing blood Oh my God On both arms And then she starts crawling back up the ravine 30 feet
00:30:07
It takes her all night. Oh no, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. That was the morning. He dumped her over in the morning.
00:30:13
So she crawls back up the ravine. It takes her all day. She finally gets up to the top of the ravine
00:30:19
and back onto the road at night. And then she starts walking. naked, covered in blood with two stump arms.
00:30:30
She walked for three miles. Oh my God. The first car that came up was two dudes in a convertible
00:30:36
and they saw her and they fucking sped away. No. Yeah. Yes. And she said herself in this, I survived.
00:30:46
She goes, I looked like something out of a horror movie. She's like, I didn't blame them at all
00:30:50
because it was, I mean, beyond something you'd see in a horror movie. And on a faraway, like a
00:30:59
deserted road in the middle of the night where there's no, this is out where there's no streetlights.
00:31:05
She said she was walking by the light of the moon. And in my mind too, it's like these two dudes are married
00:31:11
men and they're gay lovers and they're like on a clandestine, you know, romance thing and if they stop to help her
00:31:19
they have to call the cops, they're going to get caught together. yep that's just in my head that's like that's very plausible like hopefully these aren't monsters
00:31:27
i mean here's what i'm sure of they carry it with them to this day yes imagine leaving a person
00:31:36
and then they read the newspaper the next day and they're like look what we did and she could
00:31:41
have died they could have saved her and then she could have died but here's who did save her who
00:31:46
she walks a little further. A couple who was on their honeymoon. Oh, no, no, no. Who took the
00:31:52
wrong exit and is driving around trying to get back to the I-5. Oh, which is close enough so
00:31:57
that Mary heard the noise of the I-5 all day and was like, I just have to get back up because there
00:32:04
will be someone if I walk toward that sound. So that's how she guided herself back toward
00:32:10
civilization. These people grab her, put her in the back of the truck and say, we're going to get you help. And she said she heard them speeding so fast. She could hear the
00:32:22
tires screeching. They get to a phone. Can I say real quick what half the people listening that
00:32:28
they're murderinos dream honeymoon? Exactly. Exactly. Like, what else are you going to do?
00:32:38
Fucking play canasta? Well, because imagine you're like, oh, I've married, I love him so much.
00:32:45
He's the man for me. Now, if the man for you was one of those guys in that convertible who was like,
00:32:50
we have to get out of here. You'd be like, you get out of my life forever. I bet they're still together.
00:32:56
A hundred percent. Yeah. They get her, they get to that pay phone, they call and they airlift her to the hospital.
00:33:03
Oh, you bet. So it wasn't even an ambulance situation. they were like straight in.
00:33:07
So. Oh honey, the relief she must have felt. Oh my God. To be in, to be saved. So she,
00:33:15
sorry, I'm on the next page already. Cause you're, by the way, I want everyone to know
00:33:19
you're like fucking telling this. You're not even looking at your notes. Because this,
00:33:23
because I remember this happening when I was little. Holy shit. And my, I remember my mother
00:33:28
being so livid and she would talk about Lawrence Singleton, this disgusting piece of shit.
00:33:34
But she would talk about him all the time. Well, because I'll get into it. I have to go fast.
00:33:38
Was all of this, was all these, were all these details on the news? No, but it was, it was a man who raped a girl,
00:33:46
chopped her arms off and threw her into a ditch. That's enough. That was plenty.
00:33:50
Yeah. Because you can't, that's when it was like, oh my God, that could happen. Totally.
00:33:55
That's real. Even the word rape, like you don't even talk about, like couples in fucking sitcoms didn't sleep in the same bed.
00:34:03
Right, exactly. Well, I'm not from the 50s, Georgia. Oh, my God. I mean that the Brady Bunch was the...
00:34:09
Oh, my God. So she lost over half the blood in her body. Oh. But from her hospital bed,
00:34:16
she described a picture of him so accurately to the police sketch artist that Lawrence Singleton's next-door neighbor saw it
00:34:24
and immediately called the police. Even though she was friends with him and, like, knew him for years,
00:34:30
she was like, that's Lawrence Singleton. That's my next-door neighbor. She's one of us.
00:34:34
So, yes, exactly. So, and I do have to say this. In the article that I found that,
00:34:40
a piece of information from, for some reason in the line, it said housewife and bowling expert.
00:34:48
Wow. I want her life. They really described her to a T. I really, I want that life.
00:34:54
That's a pretty good life. So they arrest Larry Singleton, Lawrence Singleton, nine days later.
00:35:00
I like to call him Larry. Larry. And when he was questioned, Singleton told the police that Mary was a $10 whore, that he was passed out drunk in his van, and that his other friend Larry is the one that attacked her.
00:35:14
And that there were two other hookers in the van at the time. What a fucking monster.
00:35:21
Lunatic. So she testifies against him in court. Get a girl. With two prosthetic, her two prosthetic limbs on.
00:35:30
She'd already been fitted for them. She was still a teenager. I mean, that is a hard thing to do on its own.
00:35:37
Now listen to this. As she walks out after testifying against him, he whispers to her, if it's the last thing I do, I'll finish the job.
00:35:47
Oh, I was hoping she'd say motherfucker or like something at him. No. Oh, that poor girl.
00:35:52
She ran out. So in March of 1979 a San Diego jury convicts him of kidnapping mayhem attempted murder forcible rape sodomy and forced oral copulation and gives him the maximum sentence at the time
00:36:07
Can I guess? No. Go ahead. Sorry, I'm just keep interrupting. No, no, no. Seven years?
00:36:12
14 years. For all of that, for all of those crimes combined, the maximum legal sentence
00:36:18
was 14 years. That's like almost how old she was. Yes, that's exactly right. So the judge who had to pass that sentence said, if I had the power, I would send him to prison for the rest of his natural life.
00:36:36
So along with the particularly gruesome and callous aspects of the crime, the case became totally notorious because he was paroled after serving eight years in prison.
00:36:49
I just can't. can't. Okay. So this is when shit went off because that's when it started on the news every night,
00:36:59
this guy got paroled and it was like, my parents talked about it. People talked about it in the
00:37:04
grocery store. It was like, how is this happening? And you know what happened is in 1983, they passed
00:37:10
a work incentive law, kind of quietly passed it so that they could reduce prison overcrowding
00:37:16
where a day was cut off your sentence for each day that the prisoner spent working at the jail.
00:37:23
Or you could make pot legal and get a bunch of fucking prisoners out of jail. That's exactly right.
00:37:29
And make the murderers and rapists go there for fucking ever. Why in God's name would you have a work incentive law
00:37:34
applied to attempted murderer rapists? Well, this was back when they were like, rape, eh, it was probably her.
00:37:41
She probably asked for it. She was probably a $10 whore. Right. Motherfuckers. So they announce that his release date, this is Ed Martin, who is the associate warden of the California Men's Colony in San Luis Obispo, where he was serving his time.
00:38:00
His release date, Martin said, if there's continued good behavior and work and no change in his programs will be approximately April 28th, which was eight years, four months of time.
00:38:11
and every one of the barrier went bananas. So here's what happened. They try to parole him to Antioch, California
00:38:19
and the mayor protests the Department of Corrections. And so acknowledging the public outcry,
00:38:27
the Department of Corrections agrees not to release Singleton in Antioch. So they try to place him with relatives in Tampa, Florida.
00:38:34
People rise up in Tampa, Florida and the Tampa chapter of the Guardian Angels, which was a big thing in the 80s remember them yeah um they lead these protests and eventually
00:38:46
florida officials reject the prolly so they can't go back to tampa now if you're if fucking
00:38:53
if the hell's what is the hell's angels no the guardian angels oh what are they they were this
00:38:58
oh they were they were i thought you meant the hell's they were basically um when the in the 80s
00:39:04
when crime was crazy it was basically at the end of the um recession when things were kind of
00:39:10
shitty it was like back when new york was a total dump the guardian angels were this group of
00:39:14
basically um what do you call them like uh like mothers against drug driving type of thing no no
00:39:22
no these were uh i can't think of the term for it it was time by the way like we're not in any hurry
00:39:29
it will like it's just long and i just want to get the whole thing but nobody uh thanks cocktails
00:39:34
listen take your time everything's fine no but it was the they were like um when you're like a
00:39:42
citizen that's taking a lawn to your own hands what are those called like a um citizen
00:39:48
so they basically were like we're taking back the streets so they would go they wore red berets and
00:39:55
shirts that said guardian angels they all knew karate they all they were all like muscled out
00:40:00
dudes and they would ride the subway at night to make sure that like vigilante there it is um they
00:40:07
were they were total vigilantes and they basically were like their own gang but a positive gang so
00:40:12
they just made sure like that people didn't get attacked on the subway and and every city started
00:40:17
popping up with their own um group of the guardian angels um eventually of course they dispersed
00:40:25
because I think they took things a little too far. Right. As it usually happens.
00:40:29
Yeah. But anyway, they actually did some good stuff in the beginning where people,
00:40:33
there weren't enough cops and there was just a lot of crime. Yeah. So he has to come back from Tampa, Florida,
00:40:40
which is where his family was. But Tampa was like, go fuck yourself. Yeah. And you know, Florida's kicking out.
00:40:45
You're probably a big, pretty big piece of shit. So then he, where did he go? So then they try to release him in Martinez, California.
00:40:55
and which is also in Contra Costa County. So the Contra Costa County Board of Supervisors
00:41:02
and four city council members win a temporary restraining order from a superior court judge
00:41:07
barring the Department of Corrections for placing Singleton anywhere in Contra Costa County.
00:41:13
So they're like, quit bringing that motherfucker back here. He's not allowed. Yeah, ain't gonna happen.
00:41:17
So now they try to place him in San Francisco. But police chief Frank Jordan at the time. He's told that they're going to bring Singleton to San Francisco for a couple weeks,
00:41:31
and San Francisco wins a temporary restraining order barring him from San Francisco.
00:41:37
So then they take him to Redwood City secretly, but reporters find out that he's there in a hotel,
00:41:45
and protesters surround the hotel, and the Department of Corrections has to pull him out
00:41:50
of this hotel and get him out before the protesters rip him apart What a bummer to be one of those cops and be like I fucking hate this Yeah you don want to protect that piece of shit So now a court of appeals overturned that restraining order saying that Contra Costa County and San Francisco couldn have him there So then they
00:42:09
try to place him in El Cerrito, which is not in Contra Costa County. That's a little bit further
00:42:15
north, I think. But the Contra Costa County officials find out that they're going to try
00:42:20
to place him in El Cerrito and they tell the El Cerrito, they tell the press in El Cerrito.
00:42:26
So then protests begin there. So basically now everyone's telling everybody they're trying to
00:42:31
place this piece of shit in the North Bay and everybody. So then they try to put him in Richmond,
00:42:37
but the mayor finds out and the officials are all like, fuck no, get him out of here.
00:42:42
Then they try to bring him to a city called Rodeo, which I've never even heard of before.
00:42:47
doesn't even exist but people find out and a mob of 500 people gathers around this apartment
00:42:54
and they actually have to take him out in a bulletproof vest and he's escorted out of town
00:43:02
by the sheriff's department so it was this is kind of that thing where yes this is the kind of the
00:43:08
worst story ever but also the greatest story ever we're like just the citizens were like no dude like
00:43:15
Maybe legislature says that you can get out of jail, but we say no. So they moved him to Concord.
00:43:22
175 people gather at the hotel where they're keeping him there. Finally, the governor says, put a trailer on the grounds of San Quentin and he can live there until his parole is over.
00:43:33
Love it. Jerry Brown? George Duke Major. All right. So that's what he has to do.
00:43:39
He has to live on the grounds of San Quentin until his one year parole is up. then he's free to go wherever he wants and they don't even they're not even a track well then
00:43:48
there's just kind of nothing they can do because nothing's in the system about him so he goes back
00:43:52
to florida um and when he gets there they find out that he's there people protest a car dealer
00:44:03
offered him five thousand dollars to leave the state and a homemade bomb was detonated near
00:44:08
the house that he was staying in, but no one was injured, unfortunately. In 1997,
00:44:14
a neighbor calls the police after seeing Lawrence Singleton attacking a woman in his home.
00:44:21
And when the police arrive, they find the body of 31-year-old mother of three, Roxanne Hines.
00:44:28
She's also a sex worker, but I wanted to say the mother of three part first so that people care.
00:44:33
Yeah, so that they know that she was so hard up for money. that financial problems made it so that she had to do this right and then uh she got stabbed 12
00:44:45
times in the face and chest by this piece of shit and when he answered the door he answered the door
00:44:51
to the cops with his shirt open and blood all over his chest so they how many cold cases that can be
00:44:56
attributed to him like so there's no way that it was one in 78 well they say that the reason that
00:45:03
he got parole the way early like that was because he didn't have he didn't have um priors yeah he
00:45:09
didn't have which is not to say he didn't do anything but that he didn't he didn't have a
00:45:13
record still i think cutting off a girl's arms and leaving her for a debt is like worse than
00:45:19
your prior for like aggravated assault or whatever and i think you're right it's not that's not a
00:45:24
first crime no at all especially when you're 60 you know like you're starting like you know yeah
00:45:29
no way. But also if you're in the merchant Marines, God knows what he did in fucking Malaysia or someplace where nobody,
00:45:36
you know, you can do whatever you want. Is he a Vietnam vet? But fucking half of those killings are for him.
00:45:41
Okay. So Mary Vincent goes to Tampa to, to appear at his sentencing and tells her whole fucking story.
00:45:50
She describes her whole attack, the whole, the, the toll that the ordeal has taken on her whole life,
00:45:56
because of course it's been, you know, a terror. Yeah. And she's, you know, she's gotten her life together a little bit,
00:46:03
but of course she just lives in constant fear. Sure. When she was, when he was paroled,
00:46:08
like she was doing fine and going to art school in the Pacific Northwest. Can you imagine?
00:46:12
Then he got paroled and she fell apart. As he said to her, as she left the courtroom,
00:46:16
I'm going to finish this. If it takes the rest of my life, I'll finish the job. Like,
00:46:21
yeah. Why isn't that considered when he's, when they think he's going out for parole? So,
00:46:25
the jury deliberated for one hour and he was sentenced to death because good old
00:46:32
Florida. Good. So unfortunately he died of cancer in the prison hospital instead of being
00:46:40
fried. We're very we're being very vicious in this We really are in this one but
00:46:46
apparently what he said in when he was sentenced he said he denied mutilating Mary Vincent.
00:46:56
He still denied it. Not killing her, just mutilating her? No, no, no. Mary Vincent is the girl whose arms he chopped off.
00:47:01
He denies doing that. But he said about the stabbing of Hayes, I'm sorry about the death in this case.
00:47:08
I'll have to carry it on my conscience the rest of my life. The death. The death and the narcissistic move of
00:47:15
this is sad for me. On me. The Diane Downs move. So just to wrap it, Mary Vincent did win a $2.56 million civil judgment against Singleton, but she couldn't
00:47:28
collect because he was unemployed in poor health and only had $200 in savings. Of course not.
00:47:34
So she did eventually get married. She moved to Orange County. She has two sons and she started the Mary Vincent Foundation to help victims of traumatic
00:47:42
crime. Oh, sweetie. Yeah. Oh, that poor girl. Isn't it crazy that like she would have been better off stealing a car and getting a misdemeanor than hitchhiking?
00:47:57
You can't trust... old men that look like grandfathers. And here's another thing I was thinking about.
00:48:05
When she had a bad feeling, he stopped to pee and get out of the car. The thing about that is,
00:48:12
if you have a bad feeling, do what you need to do and apologize for it later. Steal the car and drive the fuck off.
00:48:20
Apologize later if it turns out he wasn't going to kill you. Right. Trust your gut.
00:48:26
Yeah. If you have to blow some guy off at a bar because he's giving you the creeps,
00:48:29
but you don't want to be rude, blow him off and apologize later if it turns out that he wasn't a creep.
00:48:33
Because if he's not a creep, it won't be a problem later. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. That's intense.
00:48:40
I know. It's crazy. And if you want to see it, you can watch on I Survived at Mary Vincent.
00:48:45
Tell that story yourself. I might have to start watching that. The thing is about true crime shows
00:48:48
is that I really don't like reenactments. There's no reenactments. Oh, okay. It's the people telling their story
00:48:55
and they start a segment with a picture of where it actually happened. Yeah. And it's all straight to camera storytelling.
00:49:03
Okay. It's pretty brilliantly produced. That's why I like it. No, I did that. I could totally do that.
00:49:08
Yeah. Yeah, I know. That was a big one. Yeah. Let's all take a collective breath.
00:49:15
Yeah. Anyone needs to use the bathroom, go use it now. And we're back. Karen, are there any updates
00:49:26
on this incredible story? Not really. It's been 46 years since this happened to Mary Vincent. Her name is different. She lives in the Pacific Northwest. She's an artist. She draws and paints mostly animals and strong women, which I loved hearing.
00:49:43
and Erin Brown found this quote from Mary Vincent and it said she was recently quoted saying quote
00:49:52
I'm just happy with life. I try to help others see through my eyes. You shouldn't give up hope.
00:49:57
It's still a good life. There's so much out there. It's beautiful. Oh my God. He served eight years and went on to kill another woman.
00:50:07
Yeah. Like, yeah, like there's no world where that makes any fucking sense and is OK.
00:50:15
And it's all the towns that were like, fuck, no, he's not coming here because they because that's what they do.
00:50:20
Yeah. Because they knew, you know. So hopefully the sentencing is better these days.
00:50:25
I think also the world is changing. And I think this piece of, you know, people like to kind of hold forth on what they think about the morality of true crime and following true crime.
00:50:37
But I think there's a side of it that has to be acknowledged where these things have to be discussed and talked about so that that is not accepted as a norm.
00:50:46
And that idea that this old man driving around in a van can ravage a teenage girl who's basically a child just trying to get home, ravage her, throw her away for dead, and not really have to pay in any kind of equivocal way.
00:51:04
and basically have like a good old boys club be like, he's fine, don't worry about him,
00:51:11
we'll decide if he's safe or not. When he's already proven that he's entirely not safe to be around other human beings,
00:51:17
especially young girls. Like there's just no, whether people get into the morality of sentencing
00:51:24
and spending time on jail and I would never want to do it, true. But this feels so different to me
00:51:30
in that way of like, the story about this is town after town of people rose up and said, no, fuck you. This is wrong.
00:51:38
We don't have to accept this. And that, I think, is part of the beautiful thing. It was like,
00:51:43
people really actually took action. Yeah, definitely. And I think with the true crime
00:51:49
thing, too, is like pointing at a wrong and getting more people to pay attention to a wrong,
00:51:54
like, you know, these tiny sentences for attempted murder. He thought she was dead. That was his
00:52:00
point. Yeah. Okay. Well, now let's do your story. This is Georgia's story from episode 18.
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Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. All right. My favorite murder. Okay, so I was scrolling through the Wikipedia page of mysterious disappearances, as one does before bed when you have insomnia.
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And I came across a really interesting case I had never heard about. And there's so many twists and turns and weirdness about this that I was intrigued and really excited.
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So I'm going to tell this a little bit out of order. I'm going to leave the exciting thing to the end.
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Because the whole thing is fucked up to begin with. So this is the murder of Sharon Marshall
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by Franklin Delano Roosevelt Floyd, which is like, no wonder you're a murderer. Parents so close.
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It's almost like making sure your kid's a narcissist by naming him almost after a president.
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Yeah. All right. So in 1962, this guy, Franklin Delano Floyd, was 19 years old. It's the worst name.
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It's the worst name. Let's just call him Floyd. Was convicted of abducting and sexually molesting a four-year-old girl in Georgia.
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Yeah. Piece of shit. Disgusting. He received a lengthy prison sentence. And within one year, he'd escaped the prison, robbed a bank, was arrested.
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He served 10 years, released on parole because apparently four is not young enough to be fucking in prison forever.
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um in one month of freedom he was charged with assaulting a woman and um he got away
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so in 1990 his wife sharon marshall was found dead in a suspicious hit and run all right so this is where it starts okay he had sent his wife uh sharon on a late night
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shopping trip for baby items because they had a child together oh good have a child with a
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baby rapist. Right. I don't know if she knew that or not. Okay. So she was murdered on her way back
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to the motel they were spending the night at. She appeared to be hit by a car, yet there was a blunt
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force trauma to the back of her head, enough to cause the death unrelated to the car accident.
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So after she dies, her child, Michael Hughes, which Floyd was a clear suspect in,
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kidnapped the kid. He was the two-year-old son, Michael Hughes. I'm sorry, that's not true.
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He put their two-year-old son into foster care and fucking hightailed it out of there
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because he was a suspect. The kid goes into foster care. The foster care parents love him
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and decide to start adoption proceedings for him. He like thrived there. Where he got there,
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he was just like so developmentally delayed because this guy was a piece of shit.
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and Floyd was arrested on a parole violation. And then as part of the adoption process,
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the kid had a DNA test and it was compared to Floyd's and it turns out that Floyd is not the real father
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to this little kid. Whoa. So when he's released from jail, he tries to regain custody and he can't
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because he's not the dad. Then on September 12th, 1994, this fucking dude comes in to the elementary school
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where this kid is staying. holds has a gun takes the kid by force gets him the fuck out of there steals this kid
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you should see this these photos of him he's such a creep not the kid fucking so two months later floyd is arrested in kentucky and the kid is not with him hasn't been seen since
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floyd report tells like differing stories some that he had drowned the kid in the motel bathroom
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him after the kidnapping. Others say that he told them that he murdered the kid in the same manner.
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So he had admitted that to a couple of people. Another person claims he saw Floyd bury Michael's
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body in a cemetery, which is like, how do you witness that? And then you don't tell anyone
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until the cops. I don't know. In his most recent contact with the FBI, Floyd's admitted to killing
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Michael by shooting him twice in the back of the head. He told them where to find Michael's remains,
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but it's been two decades since then and they haven't found anything. So that's the story of
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Sharon, the mom and Michael, the kid. Okay. Super shitty all around. Yes. And so the third incident is the murder of, let's see, what's her first name?
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Shit. I don't know her first name. Oh, Cheryl Ann Camesso. So at the time of her hit and run death,
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Sharon is a stripper. But I mean, before I say that, I want to say that she went to
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college. She was going to be an engineer. She's a very smart person. I think something happened
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with her crazy husband. She's making money stripping. You know, it's not like nothing
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wrong with fucking making money stripping and that's her career. But anyways, in 1989,
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one of Sharon's coworkers disappears. She's 18 years old, Cheryl Ann. someone had witnessed
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an angry confrontation with Floyd. And the co-worker? Yeah, Floyd and the co-worker
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commesso. Cheryl. Let's call her Cheryl. So Cheryl disappears in 1989. Floyd and
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Sharon get the fuck out of town. It remains unsolved until her skeletal remains were found by a landscaper in Florida in 1995 And she was a citizen Jane Doe No one knew who she was when the remains were identified And then in March the same year
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a mechanic in Kansas finds a large envelope stuffed between the truck bed and the top of the gas tank of a truck
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he had recently purchased at auction. Which is like, here we go. He finds... I mean, just finding things stuffed in places.
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It's my dream. Yeah, for sure. Like, you know, where I think you can find them is when you go into like a weird bathroom and there's the seat, the toilet seat holder.
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Yeah. I think people like shove drugs and money for drugs in those as like, I'm going to go in the bathroom and shove the drugs in there.
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I'm going to come out and you're going to put the money in there. Am I making that up?
01:00:43
Because I've heard that before. You don't mean in the toilet tank where the water is.
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No, that too. But in the where you pull the toilet seat cover off the wall. Yes, yes, yes.
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You know what I'm saying? Yes, behind the paper covers. Exactly. I see. I thought you meant in a private bath.
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No. I thought you meant those pink, the pink furry cover that like your grandma puts on
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that matches the bath mat. You know, when you go into a gas station and they have the pink furry cover
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or like sometimes this leopard print. You know, those fun gas stations. Yeah, kicky.
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So the mechanic finds this fucking amazing find. Inside he finds 97 photos in the envelope,
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including many photos of a woman who was bound and severely beaten. Oh no. They traced, the police traced the truck back to Floyd,
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of course, and the investigators compared the photos of the injured woman with Camesso,
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as well as evidence found with her remains and the clothing was similar to what she was wearing.
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There was also furniture and belongings in the photos that were identified as Floyd's.
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And the medical examiner had compared injuries seen in the photograph to the cheekbone
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that they had found at this DOA, I mean, this Jane Doe. So they were consistent.
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She had died from a beating and two gunshots to the head. Again, two gunshots. Looking at a pattern.
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A kill shot. That's the, was he in the army? Oh, really? Uh-huh. Kill shot, huh?
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I didn't know about that. Uh-huh. Two shots? Two to the back of the head. That's the thing?
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Yep. That's how you just take someone out. Then you have to even look at them in the face.
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and well and also just that's for sure so it's one one there is a possibility some could weirdly
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live now two no yeah oh right okay so he so floyd has tried and convicted for this girl's murder
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thank god camessa's murder on that based on the photographic evidence found in the truck
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other photos found in the truck though show sexual abuse of marshall who was his wife who died in the
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hit and run right i mean yeah this weird thing his wife but the pictures start and this is where it
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goes dun dun is uh uh the pictures of marshall and being sexually abused start at a very early age
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when she's in her childhood what right okay sexually explicit poses of various ages starting
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around four of his wife age four yeah of his dead now dead wife what the fuck is going on uh-oh
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turns out Floyd met a divorced woman with three daughters and a son in 1974 when Sharon is like
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four. In the late spring of 75, Sandy, the mom is arrested in Dallas for writing a bad check for
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diapers. And some people on the internet, like how did that happen? Did Floyd take out all the
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money from the account and send her on a shopping trip and the check, you know, like maybe that's
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even set up when she she's in prison for jail for 30 days while she's there fucking floyd
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disappears with all three sisters and the infant brother um he had floyd had been left to care
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which don't ever leave your children in the hands of a boyfriend i don't care how fucking cool you
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think he is no don't don't uh no one with the name floyd first middle or last please no when
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she's released she sees that the fucking children are gone um he had put two of the daughters in
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foster care she finds them there but the but but um suzanne i'm sorry but sharon and the little boy
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are gone and shoot she tries to um file a kidnapping charge okay here's the most fucked
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up part of the whole fucking thing the local authorities say that as the stepfather floyd
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had a right to take the children. Hi, 1974, you fucking piece of shit. Okay. So Floyd raised
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Sharon as his daughter since early childhood. And if you go online, you can find a photo,
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like a portrait of him with her as like a four-year-old on his lap. DNA testing to determine
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in her paternity after she died uncovered that she was not his daughter. And he gave a number of inconsistent statements
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regarding how she came into his custody. He told everyone that he had rescued her
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when she was abandoned by her biological parents, which is probably what he told her as well.
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Right. The problem is that the little boy was never, no one knows what happened to him.
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So it's not likely that he's doing well. So the earliest known record of her after that of Sharon was when she was registered in 1975 in an Oklahoma City high school.
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And if you look at her high school photo, she's clearly not high school age. I think he was kind of trying to fudge some stuff.
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Like she was too old? She's very young. She looks too young. Yeah, she looks junior high-ish.
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So I think he was like trying to throw someone off or something like that Trying to establish her as being 18 as soon as possible Right and registering her under an alias they had a ton of aliases um let see so they suspect that marshall was born that sharon
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was born in the late 60s kidnapped between 73 and 75 then they they leave town again she becomes
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his fucking wife then i mean it's not even like cool that she gets to like then figure out who
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she is he fucking hits and runs her and kills her with a car and wait sorry was that did he do that
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because she was there some overt reason we don't know maybe he found out that her son wasn't his
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because go back to the kid that was in foster care who he kidnapped oh right right right turns out
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the dna testing proved that it wasn't even his kids so she might have been sleeping with someone
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She essentially cheated on this person that she didn't even want to be with in the first place.
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And maybe he was even whoring her out, like, you know, making money. Like, so we don't know what happened, but that wasn't his kid.
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That sounds like a pretty good motive to me. Fuck. Yeah. That's insane. Wait, what happened to him?
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Okay, so he's still alive. No. Yeah. He's the creepiest motherfucker you've ever seen.
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He's in jail, though, please. He's on death row. Thank fucking God. Jesus Christ.
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I know. um he's on death row for the murder of um the um commesso oh yeah so oh because they found her
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body in those pictures right so thank god like they weren't like well she was a stripper so he
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only gets four years like she's he's on death row um he's still under investigation into the kidnapping
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of her son and the mother, Sharon. Yeah. And like after Sharon died, they did DNA testing on her
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and found out that she was the missing child. That this poor fucking woman who dated a piece of shit.
01:07:55
Oh my God. To help her raise four children that she was dealing with on her fucking own.
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And then, oh my Lord. Yeah. What in the fuck? I have never heard of this before.
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That's crazy. And he's still alive. So sorry, when did she get hit by a car? She got hit by a car.
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When did he hit her with a car and a sledgehammer? Exactly. It was a hit and run in April 1990.
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Oh, fuck. Yeah. So like Reese. I mean, I guess I was, for some reason, I was picturing that this was like the 50s.
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Right. Because it seemed like the kind of time you could get away. That's insane.
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So in 1990s, hit and run. Took the kid by gunpoint. These poor, you know, this poor foster parents who were trying to adopt this poor kid who was thriving in their home.
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They were fostering him and they wanted to adopt him because they cared about him so much and they are stuck.
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Well, and also this piece of shit takes him and then eventually kills him. Yeah.
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Like, just leave him with the foster parents. But I mean, that's like that. That's the monstrosity of whatever that guy is. I mean,
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narcissist, but just like the violent pedophile. It's like the highest strata of in hell,
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basically. A violent, insane pedophile. It's so crazy. What? I mean, it's so hard to think of a brain and a thought process and a mind that deviates
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that far from your own. Like, I can't even picture it. It makes you wonder. I mean,
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can they picture what being normal is like? Are we normal? What is normal? Well, it's not that guy.
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No. I'll tell you that right now. Yeah. That makes me want to start up a vigilante club
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called the New Guardian Angels. No berets. That's not cool. No berets are stupid.
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You just, I don't know. What do we have? We need a thing. That's so upsetting. It's actually funny because,
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so I'm listening to this book on tape, There's an audio book that I've been listening to forever called No Stone Unturned about NecroSearch who uncovers clandestine graves.
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It's this great book about these people who find buried bodies. And like when I'm driving in the car because I get stressed out when I drive, I put that on or I put a murder podcast on.
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And then when I forget my book or don't listen, don't have time to listen to a podcast, I put on like NPR or the news.
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and like immediately I'm like, I can't, this is so awful. I can't deal with it. Like I even fall
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asleep sometimes to that, to like murder stuff. And it's, I think I wrote that. I think that's
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part of realizing, um, why I love murder and these stories so much is that the real world and what's
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really happening and what I have absolutely no control over is so terrifying and there's no
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control, but you can not walk alone at night. You can, you know, carry pepper spray with you. You can
01:10:58
make sure you keep your doors locked. My door is not locked right now. I just looked over.
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Well, but every, um, it's because every murder story that you read and all that information you
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gather informs you so that you know a little bit more next time. Right. But you can't do anything
01:11:13
like that. China is, is, is being armed with nuclear weapons. You can't be like, well, next
01:11:19
time I'm not gonna hang out with China yeah I think they've always had nuclear weapons right
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but like what are you gonna do about that right right that's just posturing that's the thing is
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what are you gonna do about that nothing no and that's terrifying to me but in this you can be
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like if I ever get into a situation right you know you you uh it's it's just being able to have your
01:11:39
like your guard up better every single time yeah and if something does happen you know
01:11:44
you at least tried or had some control over it somehow. Right. You're informed. Yeah.
01:11:57
All right. Any updates for... this story? Well, yeah. So actually in January of 2023, at the age of 79, Franklin Delano Floyd
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died of natural causes while sitting on death row. What a piece of shit. But also in 2022,
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Netflix put out a documentary called Girl in the Picture about Sharon Marshall's story. And I know
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my storytelling in this episode is a little convoluted. I'm not all over the place. The
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structure is not totally there. So definitely watch Girl in the Picture. Vince and I watched it and it
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is just, you know, it's horrifying. I really want to watch that. I mean, look, your storytelling is
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as confusing as this case was because this guy was all the fuck over the map. And I also think
01:12:40
this is the thing where we started getting a little more comfortable talking while we were
01:12:45
telling the story, like talking about what we were talking about. So that's kind of a distracting
01:12:50
thing that you and I do sometimes where it's like, hold on, that one word reminded me of a thing and
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right over here or whatever right but yeah i want to watch that girl in the picture definitely
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you should okay all right well it time to wrap it up with a new title although i think we both in agreement that Investigate Teen Discovery is top tier Yeah I think it one of the only ones I wouldn change
01:13:15
Like, there's a couple good ones, but I love this one. Yeah, it's a great one. However, it could be called Behind the Crime Scene because as I'm setting up the audio, you say that it's behind the scenes.
01:13:27
But I say behind the crime scene because I love a thing that fits. Yeah, it's a similar thing, but you put a different word in.
01:13:35
That's fun. That's fun. That's podcasting. So it could be behind the crime scene.
01:13:40
It could also be collective breath, which is what Georgia says after we finish the Mary
01:13:45
Vincent story, which is actually kind of another thing we do, which I do love, where it's like,
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yeah, that was horrible. And we don't have to make it any different than what it is, because that's kind of the
01:13:57
point of what we're doing. Yeah, let's all grasp hands and take a deep breath. Yeah.
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in life. All the time. Somehow that's what this podcast is for some people. Yeah. Despite
01:14:08
the horrors that we're talking about. I mean, it is for me. It is for me, too. For sure. It is for me, too.
01:14:13
There you go And the last couple people we met have said similar things to us I love it All right Well thanks for listening to this Rewind episode We doing them every Wednesday Just going back through the old moldy boxes that we have in the attic of this podcast
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Why not? That's so true. Our parents are moving out and they're like, go clean your stuff out.
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You said you were going to take it with you when you moved. It's been eight and a half years and you haven't.
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Get that shit out of here. Well, we'd love to, but we're not just going to throw it away.
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Maybe there's something worth saving in there. Right. We have to pick through it.
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And that's what this podcast episode is. But we also have Thursdays, regular episodes, Mondays, hometowns, you know.
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I mean, what more do you want us to do? Fine, we'll do five days a week. Okay, stay sexy.
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