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Hello! And welcome to Rewind with Karen in Georgia. If you don't know, this is our Extra Wednesday podcast where we go and revisit our earliest episodes.
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We react to what we used to be like and we give you any case updates that we might have for the stories that we tell you.
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And today we're rewinding to episode 19, which came out on Thursday, June 2nd, 2016, called 19 Kills and Counting, which I didn't get for a second because it's been so long since that show.
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I still don't get it. 19 Kids and Counting? Wasn't that the Duggar TV show? Oh, yeah. This is a Duggar reference episode. It's a disaster from the beginning.
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Right from the start. So now it's time for you to grab a glass of water and the person who cuts your hair and your favorite cuddle buddy.
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And you can all listen along because now, because of Rewind, we can all be day one listeners.
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Okay, let's listen to the intro of episode 19. This is recording now. Am I going to really annoy you if I keep telling you not to hold that part of this?
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Oh no, I need it. Is that going to annoy you though? I feel like at some point you're going to be like,
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yeah, I'm going to murder you. Let's plan out our first fight now. I'll start crying immediately.
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I feel like anytime we've even come within 30 miles of the slightest fight, we have a total talk down.
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Yeah. You're going to be like, I want to talk to you about something. Yeah. I like that.
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Did I say that? No, we both. Yeah. Yeah. I like that. I think it's because we started our friendship at a place of vulnerability.
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Yes. by talking about literally being vulnerable. That's right. And also when I think about being in a fight with you,
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it makes me immediately want to start crying. I'm just like, I can't have it. I just can't.
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I'll do anything to make sure it doesn't happen. Yay. I'm going to do so much shit now.
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Now that I know I have fucking carte blanche. Free reign. Fuck with you. Well, I will.
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I'm not saying I won't very firmly confront you. Right. it's not a fight if you're just screaming at me
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if I scream you're down into a corner yeah that's not technically a fight if it's one punch and I'm out
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that's not a fight some of my favorite fights because I do the Irish thing where I won't say anything
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and then all of a sudden I'm out I'll just be Irish goodbye you I think I know that and that's why I'm like
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that's what I'm scared of right but that's why I'm saying I'll be very I'll be total conversations at the jump at the slightest thing.
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That's why I'll always be like, here's how I feel. Here's my thing. And here's my, I need you to know my thing.
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We're adults and we know our things by now. Yeah. You got to say your thing. It's I, you know what?
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It's only fair that you give the other person a chance. You say, here's the thing.
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And the other, give the other person a chance. And you'll know by their response, whether or not there's someone that you can have a
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lifelong relationship with or at least for the next few weeks or do it again until our podcast gets out of the top 10 are we out already we must be we're not
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i checked today excuse me that was loud that was the best reaction no it so we still you guys were in the top 10 itunes comedy podcast we were number one a week ago I disappointed in you guys No I not Don say that Maybe the reason we not number one anymore is because we haven nobody knows what podcast is Hey this is my favorite Oh yeah This is my favorite murder starring Georgia Hartstark and Karen Kilgara We say each other names If that if you trying to figure out who talking I always say Georgia Hartstark
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uh but it's like a cute um i think it's things people do it on the radio a lot it's cute did you
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so on our on our fucking storied famed facebook group that everyone loves yeah that has 11
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11 000 holy 11 the last the last time i looked it was nine 11 000 people in it and they're all cool
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somehow they're all fucking cool because everybody gets that everybody else wants everybody to be
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cool yeah and when they're not cool and they like get a talking to they're like i'm sorry cool
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someone our last names are are kill hard together oh fuck yeah hard kill hard start and kill gara
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i like that a lot that's it they are kind of badassy murder names it's almost like
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fucking fate it's fucking fate hard kill that's the name of our tv show that's a good idea
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The Hard Kill. The Hard Kill. The book we write together about. I feel like if we do The Hard Kill, we should both dress up as, like, we should dress up like kind of 70s news anchors.
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I was going to think you were going to say spy versus spy. And try to kill each other.
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But we have to be vulnerable about it and really discuss it. Yeah, it looks sad.
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I feel like I want to come at you with a knife, but. Hard Kill is definitely 70s anchor women.
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Yeah. we have bows at the neck and feathered hair you have feathered hair I'll do like a
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Mary Lou Retton bowl cut how great would that hard kill let's do this thing is anyone listening who wants to make a TV show
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for us we're specifically talking about FXX if anyone from FXX is listening we just call out
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that's how they do it on The Secret you just ask for what you want to the universe or
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podcast listeners I just sit in at work today everybody had a conversation about how they don't
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understand what podcasts are and they don't understand why they're popular and I just sit there
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with my dirty secret that I have two podcasts and not only that they bring you joy
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you don't even just have them I almost at one point said it's kind of like if you could
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control the radio yeah it's a radio show it's a radio if you liked what you were listening to on
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the radio that's kind of what it's like it's a radio show and there are various topics all that
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span everything and you're always going to find one you're interested in yeah it's basically if
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do you like two dudes just interrupting each other they've got that they've got a lot of that
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they've got that do you like two grown women who talk like they're in junior high about murder
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we're here we've got hello and welcome that's us that's nobody knew that you had two podcasts
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well chrysal knows my boss knows um but he wasn't saying anything yeah he was like keeping your
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secret and fred knows because he's been on one of them right but he was just it was just everybody
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kind of i had that exact same feeling before i started listening to podcasts i was like why would
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anyone want to listen to stand-up comics talking that's all i've listened to for the past 20 years
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of my life it's so boring unless you're really shit-faced or just npr nobody likes fucking
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never mind i'm not gonna talk shit on them yeah let's not be shit talkers i let what i do like
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is cool music jams that's how i usually spend my time if i'm gonna just listen to something
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not me fucking audio book you're all about that freak but then you know when the first couple
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times I listen podcast driving home to San Francisco on the five you fall asleep god bless no it got
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it makes the ride feel like it's an hour long I have a friend who was on a fucking road
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trip with her boyfriend this weekend texting me we're listening we're on episode 12 like
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totally into it don't you love there was a couple people who are sending who are
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posting on the Facebook page why don't you guys have an episode 12 and well it turns out
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we do that's our bodies are 12 Oh, yeah. Another great title. I'll say it myself.
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But I was immediately like, oh, shoot. Because when we misnumbered the other ones.
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Oh, yeah. When we thought 15 was 16. I assumed they were right immediately. But it was some weird thing.
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A glitch? Yeah. It was an iTunes glitch or something glitch. Okay, we're back. And we're back.
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Should we discuss this topic of having our first fight? Should we open that can of worms?
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Well, hey, look, I mean, that first of all, that mistake that I did make with the microphone,
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which I made almost every episode for like maybe the first 20, 30, I don't know.
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But it was, I didn't really listen back often. But when I did, I was just like, what is happening?
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and it was me just jiggling the mic as I was talking. Right. I don't, I don't, I totally don't remember.
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And we held microphones and we were, they were handheld for so long. Yeah. Way longer than we should have.
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Way longer than most podcasts know to do. Yeah. So it's inevitable that there's going to be, you know, outside noises that happen.
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I think there's going to be some issues. Yeah. I think for some reason I'm really susceptible to noises.
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I'm not for some reason. It's because I'm fucking have anxiety, But I really aware of like little noises that could be in the background more so than other people So I always the like hold for sound person even though I not the sound person you know or like do you guys hear that We should we should pause So I think I just hyper aware of that Yeah And you have a
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sensitivity toward it. Whereas I clearly am completely deaf to it. And I'm like, I not only
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don't know what you're talking about, I'm not doing it. It's not your job. It's not my job.
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And also I'm, I just will flatly deny that it's happening. And then listen back to the episode
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and just be like, that's so distracting and so irritating. I'm sorry we have sound people now.
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What's up, guys? I mean, here's the thing. We finally started releasing on one day.
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Yeah. And we got that cadence correct. You can't expect us to also have good sound.
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Come on. Right. It's only episode 19. But the thing is, we already have 11,000 people in the Facebook group by then.
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That's a lot for 19 episodes. It is. That happened quick, too. Yeah. The whole fucking thing went really fast.
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But we start to become aware that other people are aware of us and don't like it.
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And that was very strange because it's almost suddenly it's the we're being observed.
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And of course, that changes something inherently. And that idea of like somebody saying we're making fun of murder, which we're like, no, we're not.
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But then. Well, that's the thing is like they're saying they don't like it. They don't like the idea of it.
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They've never listened to it, which we completely understand. Yeah. True crime and comedy together, those words don't make sense together.
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And we are flippant about it. So there's, it's like. And we also don't give a fuck if you haven't listened and you don't like it.
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Right. But like in those early days, you know, we've listened back. It's a harsh listen to go like, oh, yeah, we shouldn't have said that.
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We shouldn't have said it that way. We should have had a kind of a more meta awareness of what we were doing and other people listening to it.
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And, you know, but we just we didn't because we are just regular people that were talking into microphones.
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Yeah. But what we learned is to take the true crime part seriously and the comedy part around.
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And that's how I explain it to someone who's like, what do you do? And then I tell them about the podcast.
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I'm like, OK, but we don't. The comedy is not the story part. The comedy is that, you know, we have this anxiety around the idea that these things happen in our society and they're terrifying.
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And our way of coping with horror and terror and fear is through laughing together and humor.
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Yeah. It's not about the stories we're telling or the victims or the, you know, horrible things that are happening.
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Yeah. I also think that awareness is then suddenly the focus becomes how are we being criticized as opposed to all the other people who get it.
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Because there's all these people who get it and are showing up to say they get it.
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And I'm so happy to hear, like, this being discussed. the way you're discussing it. There's plenty of people doing that. But those people disappear
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when someone comes and says you're a bad person. It's a very, very strange kind of like that
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awareness. I'll never get over it because it's just so weird. You're being perceived and you're
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being judged. And people think you're a bad person. There's nothing you can do about it.
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Except for the day or the episode 19 listeners. Those people are not judging us.
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No, not. Appreciate you. Never. Also, the idea that I was talking about my job at the time. So Erin put this together and her theory is that I worked on Portlandia because I was telling stories about my boss, John Kreisel and Fred Armisen. But I think that's also the funniest thing of working on that show. And at one point, transitioning from that show to a second show.
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but doing this podcast the entire time. It was just like the most exhausting, insane.
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And I was just like, oh, I can't quit any of these things. You can't quit. I can't quit anything.
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Because all of them are like, you can't, not yet. Keep all these chips on the table.
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It was wild. It was a wild time. And also then it's like you're doing, I had to do homework on top of that homework.
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But I don't like homework. We've talked about this. I know. But do you think you're a workaholic kind of?
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Absolutely. Do you think you'd be like one of those 1950s absent dads who has like a bachelor apartment in the city because he just is at work all day?
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Yeah, I think I would have like one main family and two secret families. I wouldn't be able to get away.
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That's a lot of work because you need the work. Yeah, I need it. I need it. I need the drama and the problems.
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But also I think it's just that when you like move to L.A. because you think you're going to be in show business and you have one idea of what show business is, you have no fucking clue what show business is.
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And what show business is, is fucking 16 hour days. Do you want to be in this or not?
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Because we can get somebody else that, you know, will replace you in one day. Like it is constant hustle.
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Tough. It is it is a tough business. So that was my thing always was like, I got to pay these bills and I got to keep it going.
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And it's like you're throwing all these, you have all these pans in the fire. Is that what they say?
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Because you don't know what's going to like create the biggest fucking explosion.
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I don't know where this is coming from, but you have no idea. Is it going to be Portlandia, which obviously that's huge in itself.
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But it's like, but you still have to think of what's next because there's only eight episodes.
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What are you doing after that? When that run is done, you immediately, you have to do such a good job that people recommend you for your next run.
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and this is now we're talking 2016 era the rooms are so much smaller now there's so many fewer
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writing jobs now it's rough i mean it's crazy but then also the idea that my pan in the fire
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of a podcast with my friend georgia that i'd met six months prior it's wild all right so
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georgia goes first on this episode so here is her story about the so-called freeway phantom
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Let's get down to business. I don't want to mess around. What is this? Some circus in town.
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We're going to get deep into this shit. Are you guys ready for our favorite murders?
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Wait, where the fuck is my favorite? We love murders. Oh, my God. I thought mine was deleted from my.
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Oh, my God. All right. I never heard of this one. Uh-oh. The Freeway Phantom Killer.
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Oh, shit, y'all. You heard of this one? I don't know. Oh, man. I don't think so.
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This is some fucked up shit. And here's what I was thinking. I don't want to. I want to not only do white women like Martha Moxley getting killed.
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Right. I don't want to do that. I found this one and I'm like, I've never heard of this.
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And it's a fucking serial killer where six young girls gotten murdered in the same area.
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Are they women of color? They are all black women. Yeah. That's fucking. Yeah. And it's tragic.
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I'll get into it. All right. Here we go. So. The Freeway Phantom was a name given to an unidentified serial killer known to have abducted,
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rape and strangled six female youths in the Washington, D.C. area from April 1971 through
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September 1972. So it's not even a fucking year. No. Which immediately makes you think he got arrested right afterwards or moved on.
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Oh, because they don't know who it is? Oh, yeah. Unidentified still. Oh, sorry. Okay.
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No, it's fine. It's fine. I have some suspects. the victims were all African American girls
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between the ages of 10 and 18 sweet baby angels okay so the first one was in April 1971
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13 year old Carol Spinks was sent by her sister to go to a 7-Eleven located half a mile away from her
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home which is like what you do back then you go walk and 13 that's like old enough
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we used to walk to the store the corner store which is like easily a half a mile away every single day from when i was like
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six years old yeah we used to we used to jaywalk on one of the busiest streets like encouraged to
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jaywalk to the store across the street just cut across the street just run fast yeah you fucking
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idiot um on her way home from the store carol was abducted and her body was found six days later
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on a grassy embankment next to the northbound lanes of the I-295. Over a month later in July,
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Darlene Johnson, who was 16, was abducted while on her way to a summer job at a recreation center.
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Eleven days later, her body was discovered 15 feet from where Sphinx had been found.
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So again, on the freeway, near the freeway. In July 1971, little 10-year-old Brenda Crockett
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failed to return home after having been sent to the store by her mother again. Three hours after Brenda was last seen,
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because they were immediately like, she should have come home. The phone rang and it was answered by her seven-year-old sister
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who was waiting at home to see if she'd come home while her family was searching the neighborhood.
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Brenda was on the line crying and she said, a white man picked me up and I'm heading home in a cab.
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and then um she added that she believed she was in virginia before abruptly saying bye and hanging
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up where what a short time later sorry if it's 1971 how is she calling from being how is she
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calling from a cab yeah there's a lot of okay well let's i want to hear your opinion on this
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too okay this this sucks i know i'm sorry no no i mean i guess i feel like i can see them in my
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hit. I do too. A short time later, the phone rang again, and this time it was answered by the
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boyfriend of Brenda's mother. It was Brenda again, and she repeated what she said to her sister and
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then said, said, did my mother see me? And he asked, how could she see you when you're in Virginia?
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And the boyfriends also said, tell the man to come to the phone and tell me where you're at
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and I'll come get you. The boyfriend then heard heavy footsteps in the background and Brenda said,
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I'll see you. And the line went dead. A few hours later, Brenda was found by a hitchhiker on Route
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50 near the I-295 in a place where she couldn't be missed. She had been raped and strangled in a
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scarf is knotted around her neck what what is the thing did my mom see me makes me think
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she like drove by the house in this person's car like somehow it was someone they knew
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you know what i mean and it was a white man was maybe and i'm coming home was maybe a
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the killer told her that, told her to say that to throw them off. Because I bet they didn't expect them to start searching for her so quickly.
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Right. Also, maybe she was in the neighborhood. I wonder, like, why would he let her use the phone?
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Was she on drugs or drugged in some way that she was saying weird shit? Like, you know,
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like she got chloroformed, woke up, grabbed the phone. Totally. Something, I mean.
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But why would that happen a couple times? Yeah. Where was the guy? Yeah. It makes me think that it's someone she knew.
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Did my mom see me? Yeah. Or maybe he, maybe he lied to her and said, your mom sent me to come get you or something.
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Oh, yeah. Your mom knows that you're getting in the car with me. Yeah. Your mom saw what you were doing.
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I don't know. Yeah. Okay. So authorities quickly concluded that Brenda's call home
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was at the behest of the killer. That's just their guess, you know? Furthermore, one witness reported having seen one of the victims, Miss Johnson, in an old black car driven by an African-American male shortly after her abduction.
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So then in October 1971, 12-year-old Nemo Shia Yates was walking home from a Safeway store in northeast Washington, D.C. when she was kidnapped, raped, and strangled.
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Her body was found within a few hours of her abduction again, which is interesting that he just doesn't keep the bodies.
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Right. Just off the shoulder of the Pennsylvania Avenue, the shoulder of Pennsylvania Avenue in Maryland.
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It's after this murder that the, quote, freeway phantom moniker was first used in the city tabloid article describing the murders.
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So in the last murder, it was November 1971. after having dinner with a high school classmate
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Brenda Woodward, 18, boarded a city bus to return to her home and six hours later police officers discovered her body
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stabbed and strangled in a grassy area near an access ramp to Route 202 in the Baltimore-Washington Parkway.
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Okay, so here's a weird, oh no, that's not the final victim, that's the second to final victim, I'm sorry. So a coat had been placed over her
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as if it was like tucking her in. And in the pockets, there was a note from the killer.
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It said, this is tantamount to my, sorry, this is tantamount to my insensitivity to people,
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especially women. I will admit the others when you can catch me, exclamation mark, signed the freeway phantom.
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But he wrote free dash way, the freeway phantom. And they're saying that it looks like the note
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was written by the victim in her own handwriting but i looked at the note and it looks like a
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fucking psychopath's handwriting it doesn't look like her so did they were they interpreting as
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like a young person's handwriting or yeah like that it wasn't hers but i didn't no no not a young
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person just like i don't know why they came to that conclusion and nobody i'll tell you why nobody
00:28:09
knows that um also is he using the word tantamount correctly let's there that will come back around
00:28:18
okay yeah i know what you mean yeah this is tantamount to my insensitivity to people especially
00:28:25
so he's saying this is the point this is how this is how much i don't like people i don't care about
00:28:32
people especially women right that's what his point is i always thought that meant tantamount
00:28:37
meant equivalent though that's what it means so i think this murder of this girl is equivalent to
00:28:42
how much i don't give a shit about people okay i mean it's not used correctly got it so september
00:28:48
1972 i don't know why i'm so worried about grammar all this no because it actually comes back or it's
00:28:52
an interesting word to use that one would think can be like in uh in the jinx the how he spelled
00:28:58
beverly yes which helped get him caught is a fucking great clue every single thing every little
00:29:06
It can be a clue. Every dot of the eye can, can like, can. Indicate something. Indicate or exonerate.
00:29:15
Yeah. Something. That's right. So September 1972, the phantom's final victim. So the high school senior, Diane Williams, she had cooked dinner for her family and then visited her boyfriend's house.
00:29:27
She was last seen boarding a bus again. And a short time later, her strangled body was discovered alongside the I-295.
00:29:36
just south of the district line um so those are the murders they raid yeah so 30 um the slings
00:29:48
supposedly triggered one of the largest investigations in the region of scene two dozen detectives were assigned to the hunt initially and the fbi was called in until watergate diverted the agency manpower Oh man Fucking rich politicians Ruin it again
00:30:05
With their stupid bullshit. Yep. Is my cat kicking you? A little bit. Okay, I'm sorry.
00:30:10
That's okay. So among the individuals considered were a gang known as the Green Vega Rapists.
00:30:18
That's a fucking cheery name. Jesus Christ. Do you think they danced? What were they up to?
00:30:23
No, just simple little, they played craps. Members of this gang were collectively responsible for numerous Washington, D.C. and surrounding
00:30:33
Maryland vicinity rapes and abductions that have occurred near the Washington Beltway.
00:30:39
So everyone thought it was them. One dude was like, one of the gang members, and they were all incarcerated, was like,
00:30:45
I know it wasn't me. I had nothing to do with it. I know who did it. If you don't say who I am, if you keep me anonymous, I'll give you information.
00:30:51
and they were like okay and he was going to identify he identified the guy the date and
00:30:56
location of the crime and a signature detail which was um not provided to the public but which was
00:31:01
known only to the perpetrator and to detectives that signature information was correct the inmate
00:31:07
who provided the information says he wasn't involved blah blah blah an alibi a verified alibi
00:31:12
um but during this period an election was being held in maryland and one of the candidates
00:31:18
publicly announced to the press that a break had occurred in the freeway phantom investigation
00:31:22
and provided that an inmate at the prison where this guy was at had given information no after
00:31:28
that announcement the inmate who provided the information was like killed no not killed but
00:31:33
maybe eventually but he was like later days and denied that he had anything oh he was just like
00:31:38
i'm out you rube total room you idiot politician idiot and looking through the i don't think he i
00:31:47
don't think they had any that they were involved i don't think the green yeah looking at the
00:31:54
evidence and their their mo and this sounds like the work of one person i don't think this was them
00:32:03
and it's like raping rape is a different crime than murdering and kidnapping raping murdering
00:32:12
with bare hands disposing of a body. Yeah, I would think that in gangs, like it reminds me of like Hell's Angels or something
00:32:20
where they take women, they don't usually, raping a 10-year-old child crosses a line
00:32:26
even when you are a gang member, even when you are like pedophilia and all that kind of shit is not,
00:32:31
that's not just standard activity. Gaining access and the trust of these girls and to get you know he had to have gotten them in his car somehow that's right they had to have
00:32:44
gone with him somehow it's a it's wolf and she's clothing if you see a gang member if you see three
00:32:50
gang members coming at you fucking run you don't get in their car even then children are taught
00:32:55
don't talk to strangers so if you see but yeah if you see gang members you're not gonna fucking
00:33:00
get in the car yeah all right so i don't think it's them but the case is still open as we said
00:33:07
so fucked up let's see here alright so and there's not the last article I could find from any of this was from
00:33:18
2013 so and at that time alright let's here we go so the DC police detective James
00:33:26
Tranum he's kind of the dude now who's like I'm gonna try or was in like 2006 he's like I'm gonna get this sucker
00:33:33
and a lucky hit on DNA sample could change all that. But here's the fucking thing.
00:33:41
Everything got lost or destroyed. All of the fucking evidence. And that's why that note, there's a photo of it, but there's no way to test it.
00:33:53
Everything got thrown away and destroyed. No. Yep. But the good news is that because it was in different districts, they were able to find
00:34:02
a DNA sample from a district that, not the main district. So Maryland has, Maryland State Police have a sample found on Williams, one of the girls
00:34:14
who was killed, and they had never tested it because she was leaving her boyfriends.
00:34:18
So they figured that she had had sex with her boyfriend that night. So they never fucking tested the DNA.
00:34:23
What? Why wouldn't they ask her? She was dead. Oh, my God. I'm so sorry. Oh, my.
00:34:30
Ask him. Ask him. I forgot what podcast I was on. They did ask him and he said they didn't have sex.
00:34:44
It's so irritating. Anytime you talk about police making assumptions, my mind goes to like, what?
00:34:53
And this is why people, I don't want to just fucking bury all the cops and everything
00:35:01
because this is how stuff was done back then. This was how stuff was done. That's right.
00:35:06
And it seems like they did put a lot of work into it. But if you ask the families,
00:35:10
which there's a lot of interviews from the families, they fucking didn't. And the families are like,
00:35:14
it's because if these were all blonde white women, this would have been solved. That's exactly right.
00:35:19
And you can't help but believe that. Of course that's true. Of course it is. That's just been tested out time and again.
00:35:29
but the other thing is that the attitude of these cops is like immediately you're the victim of a crime
00:35:38
you're dead you've been murdered and suddenly it's like well she fucked her boy you can hear the slut shaming
00:35:45
through the years and you just know that that's it makes me crazy it's just like not treating people with respect
00:35:54
even in death I agree and this is why I wanted to do this This is why when I was looking for the next one I was like I never fucking heard about this And this is like six children
00:36:07
got fucking murdered and there's nobody who got ever, you know, fingered for it. It's insane.
00:36:13
Yeah. So this guy, Traynham, he took it up as a cold case in 2004. He was like, I'm going to solve
00:36:20
this. He thought he had a key piece of evidence that on the clothing of the phantom's last known
00:36:26
victim, they found a potential DNA sample. Let's see here. Okay, so because her body was discovered
00:36:36
over the district line in Prince George, Maryland police initially handled the case, and so they
00:36:42
had this information. And so it's like this, I found all these articles that they're like, so the
00:36:48
DNA testing will be done. If the sample yields a good profile, it'll be submitted to the database, blah, bitty, blah.
00:36:53
But the last fucking thing I can find about that was from 2013. So I don't know if it's been tested or...
00:37:01
I feel like there should be money. I think there's 150... Oh, to test it? Well, I'm just saying, I feel like people in this country need jobs.
00:37:13
And there's the whole thing of old rape kits that haven't gone tested. and they're actually doing,
00:37:20
what I love is Mariska Harcote is doing all that work to change it, which God bless her.
00:37:25
And all the other people, there's a bunch of people that are like, there's the woman that's the mayor of,
00:37:32
is she the city councilwoman in Detroit or she's the mayor of somewhere? It's on the Facebook page.
00:37:39
That's where I read it. But these people that are just stepping up and being like, no, no.
00:37:44
But I feel like some company could make money. Why aren't they just prioritizing this the way they do everything else in terms of financial gain?
00:37:52
Pay people. Yeah. Like, get it going. Okay, let's change that. And let's change statute of limitations on rape.
00:38:02
Which is insane. I just want everyone to think about that. There's a statute of limitations on fucking rape.
00:38:09
Even if it's pedophilia. Yeah. Even if it's a 10-year-old girl that was just trying to go to the corner store.
00:38:15
Yeah. And here's one thing I'll change is I'll remember that the people that we're talking about are dead.
00:38:23
I don't know what I don't know what just happened. Were you really thinking that?
00:38:27
Yes. In your brain. You know what it was? What's that? The second that you started saying that of like they just assumed she had sex with a boyfriend.
00:38:36
I just went down that whole thing of like how many stories to this day in 2016 you hear of judges being the sexism and the misogyny that you hear.
00:38:46
to this day in the legal system. And the reason why you'll never know the exact number of rape victims
00:38:55
is because why would you come forward with this rape if you know you're going to be like,
00:39:00
well, you fucked your boyfriend earlier, so it's probably not. It's just sickening.
00:39:05
I mean, it's happening less and less, but the fact that it still happens at all is just a disgrace.
00:39:10
It's just like we need to do better as the human race. We do. So, Traynham called on an expert who specializes in narrowing the field of suspects.
00:39:24
Kim Rosmo, she's a former Canadian police officer and professor at Texas State University, developed a computer system that plots crime events on a map and helps determine where the suspect's, quote, anchor point or home or workplace or significant location might be.
00:39:39
How fucking cool is that? Yeah. So, they spent weeks looking through reports together.
00:39:43
they visited the crime scene and they developed a geographic profile of the killer's movements.
00:39:48
I mean, they think the anchor point was in Congress Heights, just south of the hospital.
00:39:54
I don't really understand. Nothing came out of that. So they have a suspect that I think sounds pretty good.
00:40:05
So there's this dude, Robert Askins, A-S-K-I-N-S, who's also some web developer.
00:40:12
So when you Google him, put murder in. He had been charged with raping a 24-year-old woman in his house.
00:40:19
He had killed prostitutes. He had been charged three times with homicide. He was in St. Elizabeth's Hospital, which is down the street from where they thought that he lived, that the killer lived, and had later been convicted in a 1938 killing of a prostitute by cyanide poisoning.
00:40:37
Jesus Christ. But his sentence had been overturned on legal technicalities and saying that he was too impaired to stand, like, too drunk at the time to be liable for it.
00:40:47
Did you say 1938? Yeah. So when he was really young. Yeah. And he was probably doing, if it was him, doing these ones when he was way older.
00:40:55
Yeah. So they arrested him in 1977 for something else. They found some, oh, okay, so here's the interesting part.
00:41:05
so they went through his stuff and they found in his desk drawer a footnote from the judge
00:41:14
the judge's sentence and the word tantamount had been had been used over and over in that
00:41:22
and later he would learn that this guy askins you often use the word at the national science
00:41:30
foundation where he used as a he was worked as a crime as a computer technician so everyone he
00:41:35
worked with was like he used the word tantamount a lot i've never fucking used that word i've never
00:41:40
used that word i've never heard anybody else use that word that's like a that's like a fucking uh
00:41:45
elmer fudd word yeah there a tantamount to do uh that crazy yeah and also he was this guy white No That fascinating He was like a black computer scientist in the 60s and 70s can i say something yeah i don know if he was white you don know if he was white or
00:42:09
black yeah that's very interesting i'm gonna edit that out because i needed i should have seen that
00:42:14
but i didn't i couldn't find any photos of him oh i guess i assumed he was black because they
00:42:19
they saw the one girl in the car with a black guy right i think but that doesn't mean anything
00:42:23
okay we'll take it out um technicians found on all six victims green synthetic carpet fiber fiber
00:42:32
excuse me on all but one of the victims clothing and they couldn't find anything like that in this
00:42:37
dude's house and they dug up his backyard and they didn't find anything and he was never charged
00:42:43
he's 87 serving a life sentence in north in a federal prison i think he died in like 2009 or so
00:42:52
But on his record, he had already been arrested for killing people three other times.
00:42:55
Yeah, but they were always prostitutes. But when he was asked by a reporter later, he said, I didn't do those crimes, but I hated women so much.
00:43:05
Like he almost was like, I wish I had. Wow. Yeah. Wow, that's crazy. So it's still an open case.
00:43:14
Maybe I called the crime hotline in the county. Oh, yeah? and asked if they had checked the DNA,
00:43:20
if they had searched the DNA. To get an update? And they like didn't know what the fuck I was talking about
00:43:26
and I felt like an idiot. Hey, at least you tried. I don't know. I wonder how you do find out
00:43:31
about stuff like that. I think you have to be in, you have to have me some kind of authority.
00:43:34
I don't think they'll just give that out. We'll find out about that. Can someone who's like in forensics
00:43:39
find out if that? Yeah, or just people that are listening, if you want to be a sleuth,
00:43:44
try to find out updates on the freeway phantom murders. It's weird that the last thing I saw
00:43:48
was like they're trying to test the DNA and then and then just nothing not even like there was no
00:43:55
match or there was it was inconclusive I mean I'm just curious it's well and also it's just that
00:43:59
it's such a quagmire of like DNA and testing and all that stuff it's like there are some places
00:44:05
where it's it takes years yeah I mean yeah especially places where they have high crime
00:44:10
that's not their priority and this guy's probably dead whoever it is right but these people but the
00:44:18
families deserve answers. And that's the point is that families deserve answers just as much as any
00:44:23
other family. That is so sad and horrifying. Awful. Yeah. Awful. I mean, as I was rereading
00:44:33
through the details of the case to do this, I'm just shocked over and over again and so
00:44:39
amazed that there's no updates in this case. It seems like it should be solved now. Yes. Thank
00:44:44
you very much. Like, let's get back to this. I have two corrections from my story. One is that
00:44:49
the suspect Robert Askins died in prison in 2010, not 2009, like I stated in the episode.
00:44:55
And through the episode, I mispronounced one of the victim's names. I called her Brenda Woodward,
00:45:01
but her last name was actually Woodard. So my apologies there. And also, if you're interested
00:45:06
in this case, which you should be, it's fucking fascinating. Let's shed more light on it. Our
00:45:10
friends over at Tenderfoot TV put out a limited series podcast about this case called Freeway
00:45:15
Phantom. So definitely check that out. They make such good work over there. I definitely want to
00:45:19
listen to that. I do too. Yeah. It deserves the deepest dive and like, yeah, fresh eyes.
00:45:27
All right. Well, let's get into Karen's fucking horrible story. This is the story of Anders
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serving data accurate as of two 2026. All right. Do you want to hear my, this week's my favorite murder?
00:47:23
Yes, please. This is one I've wanted to do for a while. And I have to say when I was looking up the different ones that I wanted to do
00:47:30
today, um, I am very tired from my work, uh, having to work and do things do homework as well no I'm not used to it I'm kind of more of a lady
00:47:43
of leisure but I realized that all the ones I want to do are episodes of I survived that I've seen
00:47:50
that I loved and I was like I can't just keep retelling I survived stories can't you I guess
00:47:55
I can though because I did again and if you if you add little details and that they didn't add
00:48:00
right well because that's all firsthand account so it's basically the person saying this is like
00:48:05
what what it was like for me to go through it right but i just love that show so much because
00:48:09
they are amazing the stories themselves are crazy and amazing i'm not gonna watch it because i just
00:48:15
want to hear from you okay stories oh that's that's perfect then i'll never have to bust myself
00:48:19
again but they did a special and i survived of the norway attacks i don't know if you remember
00:48:25
those but they were the attacks on july 22nd in 2011 where anders baring brevik who was a crazy
00:48:35
fucking right-wing fascist lunatic racist asshole um first blew up a government building in oslo
00:48:46
and then went on to a an island that had a summer camp yes i remember this horror horrifying go on
00:48:55
All right. So there is, I can't remember. I couldn't find the actual season and episode number.
00:49:00
But if you look up the Norway attacks, I survived. They have a special episode where it's four different kids who were on the island who survived these attacks.
00:49:11
And it also, they speak perfect English. Oh my God, what? Oslo's like, isn't that where the, it's the most peaceful place in the fucking world.
00:49:21
They, not since World War II had they had violence like this in their country. It also has the most beautiful people.
00:49:30
My college roommate, Kristen, was obsessed with Norway. And she went there one summer.
00:49:36
She talked about it constantly. And she showed me these pictures. She's like, we went there and we went to this music festival.
00:49:41
And everyone was just like a gorgeous blonde model. They are truly amazing. So, yeah, it's pretty great.
00:49:50
I mean, they've got it down. But of course, there's always got to be an asshole to ruin things.
00:49:58
So this guy, Anders Bering Brevik, he drove a van with a bomb made of fertilizer and fuel oil, which was similar to the Oklahoma bombing, Oklahoma City bombing.
00:50:12
he went and drove that and parked it next to the building where the office of the Prime Minister
00:50:19
Jens Stoltenberg was and that van blew up it killed 8 people and it injured 209 12 of them very seriously
00:50:30
luckily fewer people than normal were in the area because it was during in July so most people
00:50:39
that's the vacation month for Norwegians and it was a Friday afternoon so government people were gone for the day.
00:50:45
Why did he do that? Because he had posted a video on YouTube the day before where he was wearing a scuba suit
00:50:53
and holding AK-47 and talking about he wanted to rid his nation of Muslims. Yeah, the Muslims are the problem,
00:51:05
you fucking psychopath. You fucking terrorist. So he does this hideous bombing. all of Oslo is just going nuts
00:51:12
because it doesn't happen there. It does not happen there. And then less than two hours later,
00:51:18
this guy Brevik, he's dressed up like a cop. Yeah. That's not fair. Like I call bullshit on that.
00:51:25
It's the creepiest worst, that thing where you immediately have the trust of people
00:51:30
and you're manipulating that trust. So he gets on a ferry and he takes the ferry
00:51:38
over to the island of Utoya. I'm going to pronounce it like a dirty American. And as I will every other word in this article
00:51:48
that is basically sounds like me reading an Ikea catalog. It's going to be that bad.
00:51:53
I wonder if any murderer has ever taken a ferry to his murder place. You know what I mean?
00:52:02
Yeah. That seems almost like... Maybe that should be next week's theme. Yeah. I feel like he should have taken a like, like a moat.
00:52:08
Like what's a, what are the ones where you stand up and room across the. Oh, like a gondola?
00:52:15
A jet ski. Oh, okay. Like a jet ski. A ski do. Something, but a fucking ferry. He had to jump on the ferry with all the other commuters.
00:52:23
So he goes over to this, a summer camp. The average age of the campers are 18. No, why?
00:52:29
They're the Norwegian Youth Labor Party. so it's basically it would be like if a bunch of young democrats um and there was a lot of children
00:52:37
that were uh related to um uh um higher-ups in the government yes government workers and
00:52:46
and people that were so he was no you're good he was sending a message strictly to these people
00:52:51
which like when has that ever worked when are people ever going to be like okay yeah i mean
00:52:56
And here's the thing. If your plan is to kill people's children, you're the bad guy.
00:53:02
Sorry. Anyway. Yeah. I'm doing it again. So he goes over onto the island of Utoya.
00:53:10
He is dressed like a cop. And he tells them they hear about the bombing in Oslo, which is, of course, like it's national emergency.
00:53:18
Totally. So he as dressed as a police officer goes to say that he come for a routine check because there all these diplomat and politicians children on this island So he there to check if everybody okay So he meets with Monica a woman named Monica Boise
00:53:37
who is the camp leader and the island hostess. And she, there is also a man who is the security officer
00:53:45
on the island named Trond Bernstein. And he was also an off-duty cop. Oh, please do something.
00:53:52
He killed, Brevet killed both of them immediately. I was going to be like, maybe this guy.
00:53:58
Yeah, no. So he basically, he gets access to the island, immediately meets with the people in charge,
00:54:05
takes out the adults in charge. How surprised do you have to be to have that happen to you?
00:54:10
Like, come on before you die. Oh my God, it's the last thing you expect. And so he goes down.
00:54:16
So in this episode of I Survived, the kids tell this story. But there was a lot of kids.
00:54:20
They had gathered everybody up to tell them that this bombing had happened in Oslo.
00:54:26
So then there were still people sitting on this big kind of outside area, kind of standing around and talking about it.
00:54:33
And this guy shows up dressed as a cop and he calls everyone around, asks them to gather up and then just start shooting.
00:54:43
And so the kids have, it's like they've just gotten this terrible news. Then this starts happening.
00:54:48
They have no idea what's going on. Like you don't even know to run because it's so surreal.
00:54:53
It's so surreal. That's what they all say. And he's dressed like a policeman. So on top of it, they don't understand what's happening because they probably still think
00:55:00
he's a policeman. It's not like you're like, oh, this guy lied. Right. Exactly. And also you're far away enough.
00:55:05
So if you're seeing it happen, like they think, is this some sort of huge prank or is it an
00:55:10
emergency? Some of the kids said that on the other parts of the island, because they did have, it wasn't
00:55:15
strange that there would be gunshots on the island because they were out in nature and
00:55:19
And they said that wasn't a weird thing. Yeah. Like that, that didn't surprise them.
00:55:23
But then it was when they heard screaming that they realized something bad was happening.
00:55:28
This Island is also very small. Yeah. So for the next hour and a half. No. Yep. This guy rampage walking and running around the Island,
00:55:38
picking kids off. No, no, no. So it's, it's such a nightmare. So some kids hid in a freezer and there's,
00:55:46
there's kids that told a story of hiding in a freezer, like five kids. He walked into the kitchen area all the way around and to the freezer,
00:55:55
but didn't look inside and walked away. And that's the reason they survived. And there's kids.
00:56:00
There's article after article where kids tell stories like that, where they were in their bunk.
00:56:05
They all went under mattresses or whatever, and they just held their breath and hid.
00:56:10
And then there's other stories that these kids tell from I survived where like they're hiding and their phone goes off because the parents are,
00:56:18
Yeah. Are calling to see if they're okay. And that's what gives them away. It's,
00:56:22
it's bone chilling. This guy just walks around picking off kids. I always want to know,
00:56:28
like in the, in, I always immediately think when I hear stories like that or like Columbine or
00:56:33
school shootings, like, where would I be in that room? Like, where would I hide?
00:56:36
Where would I be? Yes. It's, you're never gonna, you're never gonna know if it's the right place to go or not.
00:56:41
Well, and also when you're in a panic situation like that, you're just going to make do with what the best,
00:56:46
you know, thing that's near you. it's just luck it's it's dumb luck and random fate totally it's terrible the other thing too is
00:56:56
he had enough time that he was going around he he shot kids and then there was some kids who were
00:57:04
just laying there pretending to be dead he had enough time to go back around and double check
00:57:08
and shoot them if they weren't dead so there so it's fucked so some kids had places to hide
00:57:15
some kids would come out of the places where they were hiding and then realize that the guy wasn't
00:57:19
gone yet so they would you know they would hide for half an hour and then think it must be all
00:57:25
clear and it just because they weren't hearing screaming anymore you guys don't leave your
00:57:29
hiding place until a real cop comes i don't know but how would you know i mean i was as i was saying
00:57:36
that i was like i know this is why i mean this is like this is such a terrible worst case scenario
00:57:41
because it's also in a place where nothing, they don't have school shootings. They don't have stuff like that happen.
00:57:47
It's not common at all. And then they're also, it's just a kid's camp. It's like such, so much innocence
00:57:55
that it's just the most surreal. A bunch of kids jump into the lake and start swimming away across.
00:58:02
And now it's really cold water, really cold water. And thank God there were people
00:58:10
that were on the islands across and in the houses that heard stuff, heard gunshots, heard screaming.
00:58:17
At first thought that the gunshots must have been firecrackers, whatever. But there was one guy who had a big boat who heard it and got a call
00:58:26
to say something bad is happening. You have to go over to that island. He thought it was a prank but went anyway.
00:58:32
Oh, my goodness. God bless. He saved 30 kids. Holy shit. Because he just went. He was like, this sounds like nothing, but I will go anyway.
00:58:42
There were kids in the water. He was throwing out life jackets to kids who he couldn't fit on the boat.
00:58:46
They did like four trips. He did that. He was a local named Marcel Giefi is how I'm going to think it's pronounced.
00:58:57
He was a German residence that was staying at a camping area on the mainland and he got his boat out there Then um there was another 40 kids were saved by uh Hege H Dallin and Toril Hanson
00:59:14
who was a married couple who are holiday, holidaying nearby. This was, this, um, Wikipedia
00:59:20
was clearly written by a foreign person using words like holidaying. Um, Dallin was, um,
00:59:26
helping from land so kids were swimming up on the land she was getting them like to safety while um hansen and another neighbor um were making boat boat trip rescues
00:59:40
um then there was a man named casper oleg um who made three trips to the island in his boat
00:59:48
um and uh oh sorry casper is the one who thought initially it was a prank but went anyway
00:59:56
altogether 150 kids swam away from the island and were pulled out of the fjord by campers on the
01:00:03
opposite shore so that's an i it always makes me feel better when you hear that like other citizens
01:00:09
taking action and helping out but the thing was this motherfucker once he saw that kids were
01:00:15
getting into the water went down and just started strafing the water so he was in berserker mode
01:00:21
as they like to say on last podcast on the left. He was in the mode where he was,
01:00:25
no one was going to live. How did they stop him? Basically the cops finally showed up
01:00:31
after an hour and a half. Why did it take so long? Because they were at the other,
01:00:36
they were at the bombing. They were at the other bombing and they didn't get word and all there.
01:00:40
It was a bunch of different stuff, but yeah, it basically just took them that, that was how far away it was
01:00:46
and how long it took. they finally got on you know it was a bunch of cops in like full riot gear and SWAT
01:00:57
type gear went on and just made an announcement saying put your gun down and I think at that point
01:01:04
he was done because they said he had made a couple of calls too so I think it was that kind of
01:01:12
thing where it was like he made his first round and then it was just like he was coming down
01:01:16
off of it and he was ready to to put his message out too probably yeah it was like not this wasn't just to kill people this was
01:01:22
like a message it was absolutely a message and it was this kind of thing of like we need to take
01:01:28
our country back yeah and this is how we're going to do it we're going to deliver the message to
01:01:32
these politicians and to these people who are quote-unquote allowing things to happen um
01:01:37
so at the end of the day brevik had killed 68 children outright jesus 68 children oh my god
01:01:47
That's more that was in my high school graduating class. That makes me so sick. It's terrible.
01:01:53
And then he injured 110, 55 of them seriously. The 69th victim died in the hospital two days later.
01:02:02
So he was arrested. He was examined by a court-appointed forensic psychiatrist, and he was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia.
01:02:12
And they concluded that he was psychotic at the time of the attacks and criminally insane.
01:02:19
But when it came time to have him go to court, they did a second psychiatric evaluation
01:02:26
and found that he was not criminally insane, that he was fully aware of what he was doing.
01:02:30
It was planned and it had been planned for years because not only did he post that YouTube video
01:02:36
the night before, but he had been, for years had been talking and ranting about this xenophobic shit of
01:02:45
We need to get these people out. And of course, he had a manifesto. So they find the manifesto.
01:02:51
And there are sections that he ripped off directly from the Unabomber without attributing.
01:02:56
And he just replaced leftists, which was Unabomber, with cultural Marxists. When he first started shooting the kids, he kept yelling,
01:03:12
Today is the day you die, Marxists. so he was accusing everybody of of being you know like communists or whatever my children i mean not
01:03:21
that adults are any better but it's just like because that's gonna send like the fastest worst
01:03:26
message um and it's also it's that's a person who wants to do evil yeah this isn't just you know you
01:03:33
send it you you park a van um that has a bomb in it next to a government building and you're trying
01:03:39
that's chaos and mayhem you're trying to create yeah and you're walking away from it it's not
01:03:44
like you're point blank shooting like but when but that is like he took it to the next level
01:03:49
because he wanted he's evil and he wanted evil to be done uh which is like what do you who do
01:03:58
you think you are to protect anybody from anything or pretend that's what your intentions are yeah
01:04:03
when what you're doing is killing children of your own country that's all that's where your
01:04:08
argument falls apart. Yeah. So he also, in this manifesto, said he was an admirer of the Tea Party movement of America.
01:04:18
Oh, well, there you go. So, you know, just know that. Know who you're appealing to.
01:04:24
On August 24th he was found to be sane by that panel of judges and sentenced to preventative detention which is a sentence of 21 years in prison that can be repeatedly extended by five years as long as the person is considered a threat to society
01:04:45
That's not long enough. He should have been fucking... It's the maximum sentence allowed by Norwegian law,
01:04:51
and the only way to allow for life imprisonment is to get the 21-year sentence and then re-up it every five years.
01:05:00
All right, we're back. And this story still is just so heartbreaking. It's a horror movie. I mean, it truly is. It's a horror movie. And as a story, it's like a person
01:05:13
who tried to plan the most painful, hurtful, scary thing that he could do. And then he did it.
01:05:20
All right. Are there any updates, Karen? No major updates. So Breivik has been held in isolation since he began his prison sentence in 2012. So he tried to sue the state saying that his human rights were being breached, according to the justice ministry. So it's inhumane to hold him in isolation. But the reason he's being held in isolation is because he did a thing that people can't even fathom or wrap their head around.
01:05:51
It's just like, I don't know. All right. Well, let's turn this around and we can end this rewind episode on what we would call the podcast now if we were naming it after a quote from the episode and not a weird number system that's like falling apart already.
01:06:07
That's clearly falling apart because we're basing it on what the Duggars are doing.
01:06:12
That's the wheels have come off the fucking car. It's but we're still driving it.
01:06:18
Look, 2024 will not hold up, you know, eight and a half years from now. Let me that's just the thing people need to realize is just like all of this as we evolve it.
01:06:29
We can't look back and go, we did great people. We will never do that. That's our promise to you.
01:06:36
We really can't. But I think it's interesting. This is such a clear episode where we needed a good producer to go, hey, if you're going to do this story,
01:06:46
If Karen's going to do this story, then we have to do a slightly different story so it's not so horrifying in this show.
01:06:55
But didn't do it this time. Nope. Too early. Yeah. You have two jobs. I think I had a couple weird gigs.
01:07:03
Oh, yeah. And that's all we had. You had some stuff. You were doing that. Weren't you doing like a streaming thing or some sort of like video thing for your other podcast?
01:07:12
Oh, yeah. That's right. We were doing like a streaming thing. We were busy. We were busy ladies.
01:07:19
Oh, the suggestions for the titles. Encourage to jaywalk. That's a great one. Georgia said that when she was talking about being a kid and walking alone.
01:07:27
I hear that. It's so true. Jaywalk. You'll be quicker. Just run. Yeah. Get quick home.
01:07:33
So jaywalk. Yeah. Get a ride from a stranger if you want to get home quicker. You're five.
01:07:39
So run out in the street where they can't see you. I'm pretty good at jaywalking now, I will say.
01:07:44
And then this is the first time I think I said sweet baby angels, referring to the victims of the freeway phantom.
01:07:51
Pretty wild. Well, I mean, sometimes we just have to review episodes that are just a bummer in every way.
01:07:58
Yeah. But we did that. And thank you guys for listening. Stick around for more Rewind episodes.
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We'll keep doing them if you like them. Yeah, that's right. Thanks for showing up.
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