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Yes, this is our Wednesday episode where we recap an old episode of My Favorite Murder.
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We give you case updates if we have any, apologies if they're necessary, and probably throw in a couple tangents.
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We love a good tangent. Today, we're revisiting episode 23, which, you know, we're still in those pun number names. So this one's called Making a 23rd-er, which came out on Wednesday, June 29th, 2016. And this episode is themed. We tell survivor stories, but also introduce three very important parts of MFM lore. Karen coins an iconic phrase, and a listener names the listeners.
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and it is the debut of the man, the myth, the mustache, Stephen Ray Morris. Yes. So buckle up, murderinos, because now we can all be day one listeners.
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Okay. It's time to listen to the intro of episode 23. Welcome. What you couldn't hear is Karen and I just smiling, just doing fake podcast faces to each other as
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you're about to introduce this. Welcome to My Favorite Murder, starring Georgia Hartstark.
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That's her. Hi. And Karen Kilgariff. Hi. That's me. You're really good at long pauses. And so I'm
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like, is she waiting for me to jump in? You mean I'm good at putting them in and making you
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unsure as to what you're supposed to do? Yes. Yeah. But that's us. I like to keep mystery in
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the relationship. You look tan. Did you get a tan? No. I have a red face because my favorite
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celebrity was talking to me on Twitter. And so my cheeks got really red and they wouldn't stop.
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They won't stop being red. Karen, it's like significant. I've never seen you flushed before.
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I know. That's what it looks like. Holy shit. Don't you don't have to say who it is, but oh my
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God. I know. Well, he knows who he is because that's why he talks. You get flushed when you,
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when someone talks to you that you like? Yeah. That's cute. I've never seen you speak to someone you like then.
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I know. It doesn't happen that often. You don't like any of our friends. It's just, you know,
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there's some good uses for Twitter. That's all I'll say. That's so cute. Aren't I precious?
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Also, I was driving into the sun, essentially. Oh, okay. Driving home from work.
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So it was a combo thing, too. I don't think I've ever seen your arms. you took your sweater off because it's a hundred thousand degrees in my apartment and your tan is
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fuck well yeah i guess i am a little bit i think this is just from um how hot it's been lately i
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don't think i've ever seen you in a short sleeve shirt you're adorable freckles let's talk about
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you adorable freckles and your tan uh-huh well yeah i think these part i mean like look at this
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farmer's tan though that's hilarious i gotta get that i gotta start working that is not a gnarly
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farmer's tan. Do not take a picture of this, Stephen. Could you imagine? It looks like I'm
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an apple picker professionally the farmer tan that I have going It totally does You don know Summer Karen is in full effect right now I got Botox today You did We going to go ahead and talk about let get
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this is full. Let's just tell all of our secrets. God, I wish I had like, what is it called?
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Act? Uh, any, any kind of shame? I love it. Secrets. Well, who cares at this point? Everyone
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gets it. Oh my God. If I cared that people, like I was trying to hide Botox, that wouldn't be me.
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It's like lying about your age. Also, every person that lives in this town would have to be hiding it.
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Yeah. And you know what else? Half the other people should get Botox. Because fuck, it's like the best.
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It's the best. Wait, let me put my glasses back on. Okay. You can't tell. It takes like a week for it to work, but you can see like a little bit of a bruise coming up.
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Oh, and then what happens? Everything tightens up? Yeah, it doesn't tighten. It just kind of, yeah, it just, the muscles stop working.
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So there's no wrinkles. Oh. It's great. I love it. I don't care how fucking vapid I sound.
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It's not vapid. I'm not. It's not vapid. You're an on-camera personality. That's kind of shit.
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You just don't. I mean, people know, like when you see yourself on camera, it's the physical equivalent of
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when you hear your voice on an answering machine. Yeah. It's nightmarish. Or in a podcast.
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Especially HD on a huge TV. Oh, please. And in general, too, it makes me feel better about myself.
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Of course. Who fucking cares? And also every single person that you see on television over the age of 12 is filled with Botox.
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For sure. You know why? Because it's awesome. Because it works. It's so great. Until they start, what they need to do is they need to develop some kind of a computer program
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that can just automatically go in and pull out wrinkles. Yeah. That's what they need to do. But until then, it's on the individual performer.
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Yeah. And it's, oh man, I love it. You just love it. Do you feel like spinning in a circle?
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Like a pretty girl in a dress with an apron on the front? I get carsick really easily, so I think that would be a mistake.
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But I give money to charity too. It's not like this is my only... Girl, you're in Hollywood.
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You're a Hollywood on-camera presence. You are a star of the Food Network. You are a dessert queen.
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Thank you. You don't want wrinkles in that shit. No, I don't need it. Although I have them and support
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them 100%. I have a crevice in my forehead that a while ago I was like, fuck it.
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I'm going to go with this. Yeah. Like how gray hair women are like, I'm just going to let my hair grow gray.
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I can't do that yet because if I did, I could go completely gray really fast. No, I like your dark hair.
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You don't need it. I need it. Yeah. I need it. I feel the same way with bangs. Like I just, they're my comfort.
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Exactly. This is, I need some dark hair left over from my 90s mods. We call it a mod slash goth phase.
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I didn't really ever commit to anything entirely except for beer. But I need the hair.
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I need some darkness around me at all times. Bangs and a fucking bob haircut. And a strong lip and a hoop earring.
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And a beer. And a... Only. Yeah. And like, yeah, like lip liner only. No lipstick.
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Yeah. What are we talking about now? I don't know. It just kind of went that way.
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Hey, I finished the Simpsons show. Oh, I haven't. The new Simpsons. And you love it?
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So we're talking about the OJ Simpson Made in America document, 30 for 30 documentary.
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Unbelievable. Did you watch? Did you see the crime scene photos? No. Oh my. Okay.
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So here's what they do. Everyone was like, episode four, hardcore crime scene photos, like just be prepared.
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So they showed them. Four or five? Four. Okay. Then I think I'm halfway through four.
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So I haven't seen the hardcore one. So they show you, they show them and I'm like, oh, I must be so fucking crazy and desensitized
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because this is nothing. It was just like, oh. And then suddenly it's a fucking up close of her neck wound.
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Oh, no. Of Nicole Simpson's, sorry, Nicole Brown's neck wound. I haven't seen that.
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Like no warning. And I thought like, oh, I can, I can see that. Like her sad, sad crumpled body.
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His body really kind of did get to me. Ron Goldman, man. It's so sad. I just... You know, he like came upon her being attacked.
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It's not even like... I always thought that they were there together and OJ freaked out because he thought they were dating.
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Right. He wasn't even there yet when the attack on Nicole started. They say that in the documentary?
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That's like proven fact? Yeah. She got attacked and fell to the ground. and that's when he came in.
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And she was just bringing her mom's reading glasses that she had left at the restaurant
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where he waited tables. Nightmare and nightmare for that mom. I mean, she would, I mean,
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to have that connection of like, oh, I needed my glasses back. And then they, yeah.
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Totally. Yeah. That bothered me and I keep thinking about him. Anyway. It's not good.
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Yeah. So you should finish it. I'll definitely finish it. I think it's like every time I go home after a day of work where I'm like a little bit wrung out, a little tired.
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I just want to listen to British people. Oh, I tried it. Speaking of which, what?
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The show? It's a reading show. I tried to watch episode two last night and I fell asleep almost immediately.
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And I kept closing my eyes going, now I don't know what's happening because I'm not looking.
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Yeah. Because I'm not reading. But I love it. I was bored four minutes in. Oh, really?
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Four minutes. I'm going to try it again and try it some more. Too much reading? No.
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Too, like, fucking dramatic. Like, too dramatic. Like just too like you know like the cute officer is like Cheerio you can take the body like take this murder it all yours bye And then it like but then the body falls apart in half
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Spoiler alert. What? The body falls apart. Oh, shit. I mean, that was in the first two minutes.
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No, I know. You know what I mean? No, I think I hear what you're saying. I accept what you're saying.
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I think it's interesting though. Like, I like that it's like the French female cop
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who's of course a beautiful young French actress, but is also playing this borderline autistic,
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very all business. Bitchy kind of. Bitchy and like, kind of like, I don't care if you're making a joke.
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I don't care if you're being charming. I'm saying, I'm saying, I want everyone and I'm saying bitchy and like bitchy,
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like it's fucking awesome. But it is awesome. I don't feel like bitching. No, we like bitchy.
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I'm going to try it again. Like I, I pretty much 90% of the time hate every show,
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like the first 10 minutes. yeah I'm like I hate the show but because it's hard to get used to new things that's true speaking
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of new things I have a present for you and for me from a listener is this our first listener like
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viewer mail yeah I have a listener mail I don't worry I have a P.O. box so if anyone wants to send
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us shit you can message me and if you're not insane and have okay grammar I'll give you our
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P.O. Box number. So Caroline Abernathy sent us a present. Caroline? To my P.O. Box.
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She's a sweet baby angel. Have you already opened it? I fucking have and I know she was like, I'm sending you this thing and I'm like,
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great. Oh, awesome. I'll tell Karen. Because the first thing I thought of, it's full of
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live moms. I haven't opened it. Something creepy. Kaboom. And that's how they died.
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So she sells this in her Etsy shop. It's called, her Etsy shop is anime gravy with a capital A.
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I don't know if that's necessary. You have to put that in or whatever. Are you ready for this present?
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I'm going to put my mic down real quick. She's unscrolling a small It's the Stay Sexy
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Don't Get Murdered with Elvis and the Owl poster. We each have our own. Oh my God.
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This is gorgeous. I know. For new listeners, I mean get with the program but first of all
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let us reprimand you for being real this is amazing stay sexy don't get murdered is our catch
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the thing we always say our catchphrase no it's just something we started saying and people like it
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my catchphrase is what are you talking about Willis that's right I forgot and then Elvis my cat
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is holding it looks just like him it looks exactly like him And the owl, of course, is the owl theory from the staircase.
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Which is very funny. A lot of people have pointed out on the Facebook page, we've never really talked about that on the podcast.
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It's like something you and I have personally talked about and just referenced. Right.
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We've mentioned it being a theory. Yeah. But we haven't like discussed if we believe it or not.
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I think it's like we've discussed how we've discussed it. Right. Essentially. So there's a lot of people who are like, wait, when did they talk about this?
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It's disgusted. Yeah. It is disgusting. This is amazing. And it's like my, it's like, look, it's the color of my walls too. It's like this like
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mint green that I'm obsessed with. Beautiful. It's so cute. This is the best. So you guys can
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go to Anime Gravy and you can buy it. I want to tell everyone it's just $10, but I feel like she
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should up the price right now. So it's worth more than $10. It's only $25. Caroline Abernathy.
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Yeah. That's really cool. Thank you so much. I haven't read the note actually. Oh,
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let's see. Should I read the note? Yes. Dear Karen and Georgia, I'm so happy that you like
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my drawing. Thanks for always making me laugh, then feel bummed as fuck about all the murders,
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then smile again by asking Elvis if he wants a cookie. I've introduced multiple friends to your
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podcast. It's the perfect friend filter to see who's cool enough to hang out with murderinos.
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Nice. You two rock so fucking hard. Stay sexy. Don't get murdered, Caroline. Thank you. Oh my God. I love it so much. That's really exciting. I'm going to get it framed.
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I love it now greedily the next thing I was immediately going to say is now I want one of
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those little like those little pendants that say stay sexy don't get murdered we need to give her
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a shout out let me see here I think we did once we totally have that's the one who's named Flossie
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right or am I is that a let's let's hey Steven will you look that up for us since you're here
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oh you guys this month this week we have a sound recording engineer right remember how we had
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technical difficulties last week Steven I'm helping us the sound not get murdered
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thank you Stephen Ray Morris who you know and love from the Facebook group is helping us
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because tech diffs last week we're trying to get up we're just trying to be professional
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you know how we you know how we strive and aspire to be better every week I've never felt worse about
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like a bit more bummed about not having a belch ready when you said that I'm like you know me
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I'm fucking belch get one ready and then drop it in as a surprise at some point during the podcast.
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And they will. Oh, I just remembered. So the podcast that I love that I go to sleep to
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called Sleep With Me Podcast. Yeah. He gave us a shout out. He gave me a shout out
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and gave my favorite murder a shout out. Georgia! I was listening to it and I'm so sorry
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I was fast forwarding in the beginning because he talks about like who's... Oh, we have the person who...
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Oh, let's see. Her name. Is it one of those people? Yes, it is. Cool. But I don't know which one.
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I just touched the picture. Should something happen? No. We don't know yet. It's that one.
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okay cool oh we're we just have to do a step by step thank you um he i was fast-forwarding through
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the part that i don't care about the beginning say everybody's a skipper in some way i skipped
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the very beginning but not the like good stuff so and i heard georgia h and as i'm skipping and i was
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like wait a second hey go back and he was like he is just like so sweetie like gives everyone a shout out So and he said my favorite M dial M for like he quit on a sleep podcast He didn want to say the word murder which I love
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That's sweet. Yeah. If you guys have insomnia, listen to the Sleep With Me podcast.
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It's my new Ambien. That's great. It's so fucking good. That's really, oh, that's so exciting.
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Isn't that nice? Oh, you know what? We got a shout out and people have talked about it on the dollop.
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And I just wanted to give people, we already talked about how he called you Georgina Hubastakis.
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I don't know if he he asked me for your email. So he hasn't emailed me. Okay. I'm sure he's going to email you a long and involved apology. I'm sure it's an apology. But if you like the dollop is Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds and they tell weekly. I think it's actually biweekly. They go over crazy historical stories from America, Australia, anywhere.
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and they're insane like there's this one I would start with that's about bathing suits
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like men's bathing suits and the why that's you know the boys and men used to be
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required to swim naked until like the 60s I swear to god it's the craziest story
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where you're like like anyway I love fucking stupid I love stupid historical facts that you just like
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wouldn't know. That's the dollop 100%. Dave basically reads the story. Garrett's never
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heard the story before. And he does what I do. Yes, exactly. And then just like riffs thing.
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It's really hilarious. It's one of my favorite podcasts. But anyway, so they gave us a shout
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out. So all these people were like, oh, that's so weird. I love that podcast. And then so Dave told
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me, I said, I texted Dave and said, thank you. And then I said, is it okay if I tell them that
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you were my first comedy boyfriend? Because Dave Anthony and I dated in the 90s.
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boyfriend? Yeah, he was my boyfriend. He was my first real boyfriend when I lived in San Francisco.
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Oh my God. And so I said, is it okay if I tell them you were my first comedy boyfriend? And then
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he just texted back in all caps, there were others, which was hilarious. So I think people
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like a little inside scoop of fun stuff because people just think that we're all like, I just
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think it's funny that people are like, that's so weird that my favorite podcast, The Dollop,
00:20:10
gave a shout out to My Favorite Murder. And it's like, yeah, I've known Dave for almost
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30 years. Well, I feel like the comedy, the comedian people, you've met them all. And I actually asked you before,
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like, hey, can I give this podcast a shout out? Because I don't know if you hate this
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comedian. Always good to check. You might have history with this fucking person.
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And I'm like, are you going to be pissed that I... Right. So yeah, you know. I mean, you know everyone. Okay. We know who
00:20:34
these keychains are made by. They're metal and they're stamped with Stay Sexy, Don't Get Murdered.
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They're amazing. With a little heart at the bottom. Yeah. Yes. It's by an Etsy seller
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My Heart Has Plans. do it my heart has plans so if you just i honestly just googled stay sexy don't get murdered etsy
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and that was like the first thing and then the cross-stitching one that popped up
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there's some good stuff on there we're googleable okay we're back in the present sadly we're steven-less but i love that he's here with us now
00:21:06
he's here with us then i love in the timeline of the podcast that he's joined us finally me too
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he was so badly needed and if you can just picture it too like we're still in my apartment
00:21:19
there's a love seat that i am just probably really offensively sprawled across yes it was i was
00:21:27
offended constantly right and you were on the couch and then steven would just sit on the carpet
00:21:32
It was just this apartment carpet, and he was just happy as a fucking clam sitting on this carpet recording, laughing and giggling to himself.
00:21:40
Steven was crisscross applesauce over on the side, giggling and basically encouraging what we were doing, which was much needed and much appreciated.
00:21:52
He didn't even ask for a chair, now that I think of it. And I didn't offer him one, now that I think of it.
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Look, we were going through some stuff. I think I had some. Trying to get it done.
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Pretty sure I had like a vintage dining set that no one ever used. I could have given him a chair, but he wanted to be.
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It was to his left. He could have gotten it if he wanted to. It was a tiny apartment.
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There was no dining room. Yeah. But I feel like he has the true soul of a podcast engineer where he's like, I'm going to be invisible and sit here and listen and then take notes and help you.
00:22:25
Right. I'm basically another listener. I'm just like better at it than most listeners.
00:22:30
Yeah. I'm first at it, kind of. So also there was an example of Steven immediately being not just useful as the sound guy, but then I can remember the name of that Etsy creator who made a keychain.
00:22:45
He immediately finds it for us. Of course he does. But also we get our first listener mail, like a package, because a listener named Carolyn Abernathy, who has an Etsy shop called Anime Gravy, of course, sent us that classic Elvis riding an owl image with Stay Sexy and Don't Get Murdered on it. It's a beauty. I love it to this day.
00:23:08
It was so thrilling to see that picture when we first saw it, where it was like, oh, someone's out there listening and then making something because of what they hear.
00:23:17
Yeah. And now it's like in our hands intangible. And I have to start paying for framing.
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Yes. Oh, those were your thoughts at the time. Well, I think I was still a thumbtack. I was still a thumbtack girl at the time. So, yes.
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And her Etsy shop, Anime Gravy Art, all one word, is still open. And this poster is still available for sale.
00:23:37
So go get yourself a classic piece of MFM merch history. And thank you, Caroline, for being a part of that history.
00:23:45
What a lovely experience that was very early on. Truly. Well, it's time for, I think, George's story in this episode, right?
00:23:53
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00:25:34
Massive sci-fi adventure about survival and science and what happens when you wake up alone very far from Earth.
00:25:41
I really had to make a decision because I caught myself getting that frog in my throat and starting to get teary as I'm narrating some of these sections.
00:25:49
And it's like, OK, yo, yo, yo, is this indulgent? And I really thought about it.
00:25:52
I was like, no, at this point, it would kind of be betraying the trust the author and the listener have in telling this story if I don't go through it.
00:26:01
But there's places in this book that deeply emotionally affected me. And I left it on the mic.
00:26:08
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00:26:21
Am I first this week? Yeah, I think I was first last week. I think you're right.
00:26:27
With the old sawn beans. Oh, right. So last week we did a 1500s murder, which we were both like, that was a mistake.
00:26:37
What I liked is when I re-listened to it, it's just so clearly reading. It was like we were being forced to read book reports
00:26:45
in front of our class. That's what it sounded like. We tried to have fun with it, but I mean, you know.
00:26:50
Okay, so we gave ourselves another, we gave ourselves an I Survived theme. And I think from now on, let's do a couple more weeks of no theme.
00:27:00
No theme. After this. But I do like this one. Once again, did you get painted into a box?
00:27:04
No, no, no. I like this one. I think it's cool. And it's something I've never heard of.
00:27:07
And it's creepy and fucked up. Oh, good. I like it, it's for sure. But, man, I like to go wild.
00:27:14
You just like to be yourself and decide what you want to do at the last second. I want to do me.
00:27:19
You're on your journey I'm positive that my Vocal fry has gotten worse Since we started this podcast
00:27:29
You sound a little like you're getting over a thing You know what's weird? I had a little throaty feeling last night
00:27:35
Or are you getting over hanging out with me And I'm over it And getting my vocal fry
00:27:40
It's catching You know who hates vocal fry is 52 year old Single divorced dads Those are the only people who complain about it
00:27:49
sounds like you're thinking of someone very specific my own no my dad's my dad do you see
00:27:55
he keeps commenting on our shit yeah he's totally into it isn't he he keeps writing like he always
00:28:00
writes like you go girl he's seriously like i used to have a blog and i didn't tell them about
00:28:05
it and then i started getting posts that were like you go girl i'm like that's my fucking dad i know
00:28:09
it and then one day it was like so how's your blog his name's martin right marty marty was like
00:28:14
how's your blog? I fucking knew you were, you go girl. He loves you. He's so proud of you.
00:28:20
He's so supportive. My dad heard from, he said, Hey, there's a fireman whose daughter and all
00:28:27
her friends listen to your murder podcast. I swear to God. And I was like, Oh, I, he texted
00:28:32
it to me and goes, what's it called? And I said, my favorite murder. And he goes, how come you
00:28:37
didn't tell me about it? And I go, cause there's a ton of swearing and we talk about murder the
00:28:41
whole time. And then he was like, oh, you or something. I was like, I hope to God my father
00:28:46
never listens to this. I don't care if mine does. I bought him my favorite murder shirt.
00:28:52
Oh, nice. So you see an older man, a distinguished older man walking around New Orleans with my
00:28:57
favorite murder shirt on. With two cartoony girls on his shirt. That might be Marty.
00:29:03
Marty. Marty. He's the best. Okay. Sorry. No. We derailed you. We could do this all day.
00:29:09
All right. So my favorite murder, I survived edition. Sweet. So do you know about Alexander
00:29:18
Pichunsky? Pichunsky. Pichunshkin. Hold on a second. You know when you like write and write and write all day and then you never say it out loud? Yeah.
00:29:30
What the fuck? Oh, yeah. Should have practiced that. Yeah. Pichushkin. Pichushkin.
00:29:36
listen he's Russian okay and they murdered my people Pushkin? Pushkin no I don't know
00:29:44
Pushushkin I think I'm gonna go with that aka the chessboard killer no the chessboard killer he's called that because he
00:29:52
was methodically hunting people and sought to kill one person for every space on the chessboard I love this I never heard of it Yeah I love this already
00:30:05
Russian dude, Russian serial killer. He's also known as the Bitsa Park maniac because the Bitsa Park in Russia is where he did it.
00:30:14
It's Moscow. Southwest Moscow is where he did a lot of his best work. Wow. Can I do a high school brag and say I've been to Moscow?
00:30:23
Have you? I went on a trip, like one of those package tours in high school. It was called Russia, Poland, and the East.
00:30:31
Dude, I want to go on that. It was crazy amazing. And it was 1987. So it was before the wall came down.
00:30:37
That sounds... You think now that I look 16 because I have Botox, they'll let me pretend I'm in high school and go?
00:30:42
Absolutely. Oh, my God. That's honestly... Like, I'm dying to go to like... I want to go to East Berlin, which I know doesn't exist anymore.
00:30:49
But it was crazy. It was crazy. and there was all this stuff because it was still,
00:30:55
was it still the Soviet Union? Is that, yeah, technically. So there's all this old,
00:31:00
these old buildings that were just left over. It was almost like how I imagined Cuba probably
00:31:06
is where it's like, the great times, just leave it there even though it's this huge
00:31:10
empty building that no one's in anymore. And driving the same old cars no one had
00:31:14
and it's like... It was amazing and they had tables set up. I'm totally have derailed you
00:31:20
but this will be my last thing. about this they had tables set up in the street and you would go up and you would give them you
00:31:26
know three rubles or whatever it was like so cheap and then you had you would just pick up a little
00:31:31
pre-poured glass of warm coke and just drink a little like probably three fingers of coke and
00:31:37
then give them the glass back and they would take it and sterilize it and then pour more coke in the
00:31:42
glass and it was like a little car like card table that was set up it's like when you're running a
00:31:46
marathon except when they hand you coke and you pay for it so you just stop and have a couple
00:31:51
sips of coke that is so weird and they also had vodka vending machines better i would do that one
00:31:56
instead yeah we drank a lot of vodka we were all allowed to drink yeah because the drinking age
00:32:00
over there was like 16 it was nuts anyway that sounds incredible i would kill to go on a grocery
00:32:06
like i'm obsessed with um authentic grocery stores i would go to that grocery store so hard
00:32:13
Their grocery stores were very sparsely stocked. Because it's like, this is the toothpaste.
00:32:17
There's not a bunch of brands. Yeah. This is toothpaste. Yeah. Which I'm kind of like, let's do that now.
00:32:24
No, wait, no, I'm not a communist or a socialist. No, you're definitely not a socialist, but you are a Bernie bro.
00:32:30
Right. And I'm sick of it. Overwhelmed. That is not true. I just want everyone to know that's not true.
00:32:34
I'm actually a Republican. I'm actually a Trumpster. Is that what they call themselves?
00:32:38
Yeah, Trumpsters. Sorry. Okay, go ahead. No, I don't even. What I'm saying is ask me anything about Russia.
00:32:46
Why did you kill my people? So Peshushkin, he committed his first murder in 1992.
00:32:56
He was a student, college or high school. I don't care. So he was motivated in part by a macabre competition
00:33:07
with the better known Russian serial killer, Andrei Chikatilo. who's like the creepiest creep.
00:33:13
Kind of hot creep. No, he's not hot. He's like older dude hot. No, he's in no way hot.
00:33:21
A little bit older dude hot. Doesn't he have a dent in his head? Oh, no, I'm into that.
00:33:27
Oh, okay. Sorry. Yeah, you're right. That's very judgmental. Dented heads. Who am I to say?
00:33:36
I feel dirty. So wait, sorry. He didn't know him. He was just like, he knew what he did
00:33:40
and was competing with him that way. Yeah, which is like, find someone else to compete with.
00:33:45
Like find a like Olympic athlete. Although Chikatilo was kind of the Olympic athlete of serial killers.
00:33:52
I wonder if this Alexander Pishishkin is pissed that he actually didn't beat him.
00:33:58
You know he is. Yeah. So, Andre was convicted in 92 of killing 53 children and young women
00:34:08
over a 12 year period. so this guy was like i'm gonna do 64 for a chess board quick question 64 on a chess board correct
00:34:16
yes let's just go with it so okay here's correct moving on here's a uh a regular fact on my favorite
00:34:25
murder his mom says that the beginning of his downfall and becoming a crazy person was when he
00:34:31
was hit on the head send him back ding dong um yeah he was hit on the head by a swing at age four
00:34:39
And I'm like, unless the swing was made of cinder blocks. That's what happened to Richard Ramirez.
00:34:45
He got hit in the head with a swing. A swing? Yes. They're made of like rubber. It's enough.
00:34:52
Yeah, I think like in the 70s, 80s. Do concussions affect children more than they do adults?
00:34:59
Probably. I mean like... You're a doctor, right? Yes. Please ask me anything. I love lying.
00:35:04
You're a Russian doctor, right? I think we've established that I love to bullshit.
00:35:07
it. So the answer there is, no, I mean, you act like you're right. You're technically right.
00:35:14
Yeah. Except until I tell on myself the next episode. Right. And apologize. So he, so this
00:35:21
push push push push can lured his victims. He mostly was into elderly homeless men,
00:35:28
not in a sexual way. He, he would say to them in this park, Hey, do you guys want to get
00:35:33
shit-faced on vodka. I'm paraphrasing here. And he would say, like, let's go to the grave of my
00:35:39
beloved dog that's, like, deep in the park. And he was actually not, he was actually really loved
00:35:44
animals. He was never, and he got hit in the head, but he didn't kill animals. Okay. Then they'd go
00:35:51
out there and be drinking and he would attack them with a hammer Oh Man That oh just the That would hurt a lot Just like Okay That became his trademark And then he would Oh no This became his
00:36:07
trademark. He would do that. And then he would push a vodka bottle into the gaping wounds of
00:36:11
their skulls. Oh, no. It's like when you make a watermelon vodka thing. What is it? You know what I'm talking
00:36:18
about? When you like poke a hole in a watermelon and then empty a bottle of vodka in there.
00:36:21
Yeah. He was kind of trying to do one of those. 4th of July. Maybe he was a frat boy.
00:36:26
Just pickling that brain. I lost it a little bit. In the park. Russian frat boys are different
00:36:31
than they are here. Oh, yeah. I'd rather have a frat boy from here than a Russian frat boy. I don't know.
00:36:37
I don't want to choose. I choose neither. I didn't know that was a choice. Otherwise, I still would have chosen
00:36:43
Americans. Most of his victims were elderly men, but he did kill three women and
00:36:49
one child. The body of one of the women was I don't do you want to know how that there were tiny steaks hammered into her skull and around
00:36:57
her eyes or no yeah okay I mean yeah steaks tiny steaks like like not like like pitching a tent
00:37:06
yeah using oh not like um yum yum steaks yeah um he said once for me life without murder is like
00:37:15
life without food for you I felt like the father of all these people since it was me who opened the
00:37:22
door for them into another world. Yeah. That's not true. They're like, I prefer Marty.
00:37:28
I prefer my actual dad, but thanks. Dads aren't supposed to be like that, actually.
00:37:34
So, okay. So, let's get to the survivor. All right? Yes. Fucking badass bitch. Her name was Maria Virachiva.
00:37:43
Virachiva. She was 19 and three months pregnant, which already you're like, come on.
00:37:49
Like, let me get through this. Yeah. You know? pregnant and her the man she was her boyfriend was a friend
00:37:56
of this killer which is like date someone else find better friends she met him she ran into him at work
00:38:03
she and her boyfriend just got into a huge fight and so she was pissed off like hanging out near the
00:38:09
metro station and he saw her and was like and he had been hunting for a victim and this is in February
00:38:15
of 2002 I should have started with that so he said that Most of his male victims, he was able to get them away with alcohol was the thing that they,
00:38:27
that the reason they would go with him. But for women, he said, quote, women always need to have a financial interest.
00:38:34
Fuck you. You don't know me. Man, I like vodka. I know. I don't need your fucking money.
00:38:42
I like dead pets, graves. Yeah. Stupid. I'll cheers over that. Dick. So he says to her that he has several boxes of brand new contraband cameras stashed inside the park.
00:38:55
Sorry, women always love cameras. That's really true. If there's some kind of deal going, like a sales deal where they're like,
00:39:02
I have this thing, I'm going to cut you in on it. Just say no. Even if it's true, you're still probably going to get arrested.
00:39:09
You have to pay for things that you want in this life. Right. when you try to sidestep that fact
00:39:16
you're you mess with the wrong people you end up in the forest at a dog's grave what have you and then with a vodka bottle
00:39:24
in your head. Free money isn't free like just go without just get a job buy your own shit
00:39:31
stay out of the forest it's never gonna be chill that's gonna be the quote, get a job
00:39:37
what was it? Get a job anytime we list anything in threes we want you to put it on a poster
00:39:42
there was another one shit karen is full of quotes tonight i'm full of beans sawny beans oh my god okay we gotta get through this
00:39:54
so all right so here's what he does he's like here's some cameras in here come on in with me
00:40:00
and she's like okay don't do that because she was pissed at her boyfriend you know it's a great way
00:40:04
to rebel i've done some stupid shit and i'm like pissed at my boyfriend yeah so he takes her over
00:40:10
to where he says he left the camera, which is this well, this like brick well into the like forest ground.
00:40:15
And he lifts the manhole cover off and he was like, hey, take a look inside, dude.
00:40:22
And she approaches, he grabs her and shoves her into the well. And she's trying to grasp the edges
00:40:28
of the rim of the well. And he grabs her by the hair and just like starts smacking her head
00:40:34
against the concrete walls, which is so weird. They didn't even kill her before.
00:40:38
It was like almost this fun toying with her thing. but she let herself fall she said quote i realized that he would kill me like this so i let go it's
00:40:45
like which side is better up or down yeah and he yells to her take a bath there i couldn't come up
00:40:52
with something better yeah that's not funny yeah um she said my head hurt terribly but i wanted to
00:40:58
live so after falling about 30 feet she maria lands in a sewage pipe about a foot in diameter
00:41:08
with the stream running through about three feet high. So it's like the sewage line.
00:41:14
And I might've gotten some of those numbers wrong because guess what? They were like in meters and shit.
00:41:18
And I tried to like change them. Yeah, because I was like, how do you land in a...
00:41:23
But basically it's down a well and then a slightly smaller thing. Down a well, it's tight.
00:41:29
She falls 30 feet about. It's a tight little area. Okay. And she's in like, let's, I don't know.
00:41:34
It seemed like waist high, rushing sewage water. Rushing. And it's trying to get her into this like pipe,
00:41:42
into this other part of the sewage system that she definitely would have drowned in.
00:41:47
Luckily, she fucking puts her hands to the side and stops herself from going down that pipe.
00:41:53
She removes her jacket and boots real quick Man this girl smart She was able to plant her feet and hands on the side of the pipe to stop from being swept away by a shit storm so gross i know man like what a bad day
00:42:09
um so she finds another well like she i guess she goes through but it sounds like she was in there
00:42:15
for hours and eventually finds an iron ladder running up to this running up the side she goes
00:42:21
what say it like someone had shot an iron ladder sorry wait what like she's a sewage thing and then
00:42:30
an iron ladder floats by because someone had shot it don't make me say it twice it's a terrible joke
00:42:37
i didn't get it no no like she finds it up the wall it's like in the wall she's like ladder
00:42:45
it's not shoots and ladders we have to edit that part out it's one of them it's the worst joke i've
00:42:51
ever said and i had to say it steven don't take that note this stays in i've edited out some shit
00:42:57
for you before this is not going to be one of them i will just take all the edits i've done for you
00:43:03
and put them into one episode and post them can you imagine that's actually a genius idea because
00:43:08
it won't make any sense because contextually just random terrible edits that's awful things
00:43:13
Of all the stuff we've said. Me saying someone shat an iron ladder. Okay, please continue.
00:43:21
So she finds this ladder up the wall. Uh-huh. Not from someone's balance. I know.
00:43:27
I'm kidding. I love it. I love it. I love it. That's why you're a comedian. Climbs up it and she's like, well, shit, this is like an 80-something pound manhole cover.
00:43:37
She can't get it open. She's so close. And then she opens it a tiny bit and sees a woman running from it, like leaving.
00:43:45
And she's like, well, that was my last chance. She's exhausted from crawling for hours through all the gross fucking sewage.
00:43:54
She's like, this is it. I'm dead. But it turns out the woman had heard her screams and heard the manhole cover lift a little or saw the manhole cover lift a little bit and like fucking ran for help to lift this manhole cover.
00:44:07
so um she was taken to the hospital she and her kids survived man i bet like what is that kid's
00:44:14
life like today well they could maybe they may have been somehow inoculated by being in all that
00:44:19
shit so they're like superhuman never gets sick yeah they're like marvel's like how do we tell
00:44:24
this this like story of a superhero well well let's see let's see um so she survives
00:44:34
okay here's the worst part well here's another bad part she's reporting the incident to the police
00:44:40
and somehow I've read a couple different reasons the police were like nope and like ended up making her
00:44:49
sign something saying that she herself had accidentally fell into the well and that he had nothing to do with it
00:44:54
what? either because she didn't have the correct papers like citizen papers or the cop was bored
00:45:01
it's like for some reason they were like no we're not going to pursue this wow yeah so he went on to claim a dozens of lives
00:45:10
after that oh no yeah so right now there's a criminal investigation going into the the cop who
00:45:17
you know okayed that i'm sure nothing will happen um he has two other survivors one was a 14 year
00:45:25
old homeless boy who also got thrown down a well in march 2002 he again said he tried to tell the
00:45:31
police but they wouldn't listen to a homeless boy how are you 14 and homeless russia oh my because
00:45:37
that place is a it's terrible it's all like it's either the super rich or the insanely poor yeah um
00:45:44
but i but that also happened in shikotillo when i saw that there was like a made for tv movie where
00:45:50
steven ray played the cop that was investigating him and when they got to the when they realized
00:45:54
he had been murdering all these people they were like you won't you won't arrest him like it was as
00:46:00
if like the Russian authorities were like, we're not admitting that we have this problem.
00:46:05
Yeah. And I think that is a way that they dictate the cops have to do stuff. Sure.
00:46:11
If like some woman had been, especially because she knew him too, because she could be like,
00:46:15
it was this dude. Yeah. It's like, they're saying like, we're not, that's not going to be a problem that we're
00:46:20
having. And from a couple of the accounts I read, he like came over to hang out with her boyfriend
00:46:24
after that. Like she had to see him. No. What? And he said something like, hey, you want to go for another walk?
00:46:31
Like he fucking taunted her. That's crazy. I know. But it's also weird to have a habit of pushing people down wells.
00:46:38
Totally. That's really weird. It is weird. It's usually it's like, you know, they're into the murder part.
00:46:45
Well, it's weird that he went from hitting someone on the head with a hammer. And in addition to that, he liked pushing people down a well.
00:46:51
Yeah. It doesn't really mean like you should do one that you should do one and then the other.
00:46:56
Yeah. pick an mo get your style going yeah and then like with the checker or checkers with the chest
00:47:03
like come on man pick one yeah um so the murder of marina moskalova melina moskalova in 36
00:47:16
who was 36 in the spring of 2006 was his last murder they actually um found her body with a
00:47:23
metro ticket in it with his trademark injuries. And they found a video of him and her from the metro station walking together.
00:47:33
Oh. Yeah. So they caught him. He was arrested June 2006, convicted of 49 murders and three attempted murders.
00:47:42
And it seems like he asked to be convicted for 60 murders. Wow. Which is like, fuck off.
00:47:50
Because he won a credit for all the murders he had done. Yeah. he got life in prison with the first 15 years to be spent in solitary confinement.
00:47:58
So I'm sure he's going to... That'd be... 15 years? You can't do that. Where are we?
00:48:04
Russia. You nutty place. 15 years in solitary confinement. Is there even a reason for that?
00:48:12
Or it's just punitive? It's like, we can't give you the death penalty, so we're just going to do this stuff.
00:48:16
Yeah, I guess so. Yeah, why not kill him? 15 years? That's awful. Did you hear recently in California,
00:48:22
they passed a law that juveniles can't get more than like two hours of solitary confinement,
00:48:27
which I think is, I almost cried when I heard that because it's such an obvious, it's such an
00:48:34
obvious smart thing to do. Yeah. It makes you think what's happened that made them pass the law.
00:48:39
Oh, fuck. Yeah. Fuck. Okay. So, and he and Pashishkin has said that he would have continued
00:48:46
killing indefinitely if he hadn't been stopped. I believe it. Yeah. Guy's a fucking weirdo. Yeah.
00:48:52
I just want to give fucking a shout out to Maria for being such an incredible badass.
00:48:59
You know what? Here's the smartest thing she did. Yeah. If you're ever in water, take off anything heavy that you're wearing, jacket, boots,
00:49:07
clothes like that. That's what drags you down. Really? It makes you tired when you have to tread water.
00:49:13
It makes you super tired. Like anything like that, boots or anything, pants, take it off.
00:49:18
Very interesting. I've never thought about that. That's very smart of her. Very.
00:49:22
Yeah. especially when you're in shit water she's just like how can you concentrate on that
00:49:26
maria vera chavia which like you don't find a lot of stuff when you google her at all
00:49:33
right him it's like the same shit over and over again he's gross there's photos of him he's a
00:49:39
creep he's not hot like chickatillo i like him i like him dented physically and emotionally dented inside now
00:49:52
Okay, we're back. Here's what's crazy. Yeah. This is the first episode where I say stay out of the forest.
00:50:02
The whole chunk of the saying that I say because of this story you tell me that is so awful.
00:50:09
I know. Just this one, you know, they all do in their different ways. This one sticks in my mind just for the sheer brutality of it and the fact that there was a survivor.
00:50:21
Yeah. She survived this monster. It's just incredible. And he continued to kill.
00:50:28
Like the amount of time it took for him to finally get arrested and put in prison is just absurd and bananas.
00:50:35
Horrible. Just so hard to like listen to. Okay. And also I have some updates. Oh, yeah.
00:50:40
Specifically on Maria Viracheva. In the original episode, we wondered why Maria claimed she accidentally fell into the well instead of that he attacked her.
00:50:48
And now we know that the police officer who took her statement promised to tell her boyfriend that she was safe and to bring her clean clothes, but only if she agreed to say it was an accident.
00:50:58
Why? And that officer was later jailed for incompetence, which is fucking nice to hear.
00:51:05
Senior investigator Andrei Supernenko said, quote, his only motive was, I do not want to work.
00:51:11
That's all. He did not need to search for anyone or prove anything. If only he had worked out properly then, the killer would have been detained. We would then not have seen more than half the corpses. So just like we were talking about, it's because of this one officer's incompetence and laziness.
00:51:30
Horrible. And then, yeah, again, also Maria didn't have proper documents to live in Moscow. And so she feared the consequences from that. And that's also part of why she didn't press charges or move forward and really try to take that case to the next level.
00:51:44
But in 2006, Maria bravely testified against Pachuskin, even facing him directly as part of the police investigation. So good for her. She finally got her justice. And she gave birth to a healthy baby, but was forced to give the child up for adoption. So this poor girl.
00:52:02
And as I said in the episode, Pichuskin was sentenced to life in prison with the first 15 years in solitary confinement.
00:52:09
And as of 2017, he's been serving time in a Russian correctional facility way up beyond the Arctic Circle known as the Polar Owl.
00:52:18
That's very Hogwarts. Yeah, but I bet it's not. Also, since this is the phrase that pays, this was merch back then, we are relaunching the original merch.
00:52:29
So if you want a T-shirt or a very cozy hoodie that says, get a job, buy your own shit, stay out of the forest, you can do that now.
00:52:38
It's the artwork that our friend Kat Solon made. And you can go to MyFavoriteMurder.com to get it.
00:52:45
Okay, so let's listen to Karen's survivor story. This is the harrowing tale of Sarah Brady.
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Check out Odoo at odoo That odoo Hey everyone it Cal Penn I the host of Earsay the
00:54:05
Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club. This week on the podcast, I'm sitting down with Ray Porter,
00:54:11
the narrator of Andy Weir's audiobook Project Hail Mary, massive sci-fi adventure about survival
00:54:19
and science, and what happens when you wake up alone very far from Earth. I really had to make a decision because I caught myself getting that frog in
00:54:28
my throat and starting to get teary as I'm narrating some of these sections. And it's like,
00:54:32
okay, yo, yo, yo, is this indulgent? And I really thought about it. I was like, no,
00:54:35
at this point, it would kind of be betraying the trust the author and the listener have
00:54:41
in telling this story if I don't go through it. But there's places in this book that deeply
00:54:47
emotionally affected me. And I left it on the mic. That's great. Because it served the story.
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People will say like, oh my God, I cried at the end. It's like, yeah, dude, me too.
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00:55:06
Well, mine this week is once again me retelling you an episode, my favorite episode of I Survived.
00:55:14
I'm so excited. My favorite crime show, if you're new to this podcast, hi, welcome.
00:55:19
My favorite crime show. Should I be right them again? You can. of all I would say is I survived
00:55:25
because it's a beautifully produced, it's television well-made. It's one-on-one interviews
00:55:32
where people speak slightly off camera, purely telling their story of survival with no reenactment,
00:55:39
no cheesy actors, no shots of anything, just the story, which is 1,000 times scarier
00:55:46
and more upsetting than if you were cutting away to some dumb... Like that show made me realize those cutaways in other like firsthand story shows just deaden the effect.
00:56:01
Yeah. When a person is sitting there telling you what happened to them. Face to camera.
00:56:05
There's no scarier, no realer. I mean, that's it. Honestly, I don't. There's a helicopter.
00:56:12
Just a light invasion. Listen, we're in Hollywood. Murder cap. I don't. I hate reenactments.
00:56:20
They just take you out of it. They're corny. They're not, you can't reenact the actual violence
00:56:27
of what took place. I mean, there's just, I don't like it. And sometimes on some shows,
00:56:31
they're so gratuitous. There's like an extra sound effect and the girl's always in a bra.
00:56:36
We were like, really? Can we say the exception is a crime to remember? We love a crime to remember.
00:56:42
Yeah. Yeah, those reenactments are perfectly done. They're gorgeous. Yeah. They're gorgeous.
00:56:48
So, and I survived. Back to my favorite show. Well, I should say one of my favorite shows,
00:56:53
but it's all these stories I remember because they're so perfectly told. So this one I loved because I love the girl
00:57:00
that tells the story that it happened to her. And her name is Sarah Brady. And this happened when she was 26 years old
00:57:07
and nine months pregnant. What about pregnant women? She was... Yeah, that's right.
00:57:12
Oh my God, weird. And Sarah was apparently overdue. So she was like waiting to have this baby any moment.
00:57:19
Oh, fuck. Can you imagine? Everything is swollen. Everything's hard. You're doing everything for two. So here's what happens. She's registered
00:57:30
at Babies R Us and she gets a call one day from a woman who says her name is Sarah Brody.
00:57:37
What year is this? This is 2004. Okay. So she gets a call. A woman says, my name's Sarah Brody and I got one of your... We're
00:57:47
both registered, I guess, at Babies R Us because I got one of your packages. Similar names. Yes. Shit, man.
00:57:53
And so she's like, oh, okay, crazy. I'll come and get it. Yeah. You live on my way to work, whatever.
00:57:58
So they make this plan. She goes and she picks up the package. She goes into the woman's apartment.
00:58:03
This woman lives in a basement apartment. She said it was a completely fine exchange.
00:58:09
They talked a little bit about how they were both nervous to be mothers. They just talked
00:58:15
about, you know, whatever. And we'll call her our Sarah, the good Sarah, says that she just got the impression this girl was very young
00:58:23
and she seemed kind of alone. So she had a kind of a warmth toward her because she was like, oh, you know,
00:58:29
and we have kind of the same name and they're basically seemed like they were going to have babies
00:58:34
right at the same time. So thanks, see you later. Great, takes the package, goes home.
00:58:41
So a couple days later, there's another phone call And it's her again going, I got another package for you. And so when she gets off the phone,
00:58:52
she's having the baby with her boyfriend. They're engaged to be married. So her fiance or
00:58:58
boyfriend's brother is there at their house. And she goes, that girl got another package for me.
00:59:04
I have to go get it. And the brother goes, that's weird. I have a bad feeling about this. Don't go
00:59:10
Holy shit, really? Yeah. And she goes, no, no, no, you don't understand. I already met her, saw her face to face.
00:59:16
She's totally normal and fine. Do you think he's a murderino? Ooh, he could be. I don't think a normal person.
00:59:22
Like every situation I'm in, I'm like, is that going to be a murdery situation? Right.
00:59:27
He had his vibe out kind of. Yeah. Because he was like, I don't like the sound of this, basically said to her.
00:59:32
And she was like, don't be crazy. A murderino, by the way, is just basically someone like us that someone on Facebook coined
00:59:39
who's obsessed with murder. Yeah. Was that for the first time person that you attacked earlier?
00:59:44
I'm just trying to be nice to them at this point because they're like, I know they don't like me. They're not on my side. They're not voting for my murder.
00:59:50
We vote on this podcast, by the way. We vote at the end to see who won. Oh God I hope not So anyway she like don be crazy So the next day she goes back over there Well this time she says it a little the feeling is a little bit different
01:00:06
Just a little, there's a little tension in there. So she's like, great, you know, here's the package.
01:00:12
And she's like, I want you to come back here and come and look at this thing. And she's like, I really have to go.
01:00:19
I have to pick up my son from school. I have things I have to do. and she it was like she basically kept trying to
01:00:26
continue the conversation a little longer then Sarah felt comfortable you know it was all that kind of vibe
01:00:32
and she said but she just was trying to be polite so she wanted to leave you guys never be nice
01:00:37
she wanted to leave but she was kept erring on the side of politeness so at one point she was like she wanted to show her the nursery
01:00:44
she wanted to but finally Sarah was like look I have to pick up my son from school
01:00:50
life to go. And then she went into labor pains. Like she said she was having labor pains.
01:00:56
Good Sarah, bad Sarah. Bad Sarah says she's having labor pains. So she starts screaming like a lunatic. And she pulls
01:01:04
good Sarah into the bathroom. And that is when Sarah said, she looked at her face and her face
01:01:11
was the face of a completely different person. Like it was crazy, wild eyes, super scary. And
01:01:18
then all of a sudden, like a light switch, she stopped screaming and said, oh, I guess that's
01:01:22
over. And so our Sarah is super weirded out and is like, all right, if you're okay, I have to go.
01:01:32
And she's like, yeah, yeah, just hold on one second. I just need to go get this thing.
01:01:35
So she goes back into the back of the apartment. Bad Sarah does. Good Sarah's coming out. She looks,
01:01:41
she kind of like looks into a room and she said there was a People Magazine cover
01:01:46
that was framed and whoever the celebrity was in the picture, she had scratched their face out.
01:01:55
And so she was like, all of a sudden I was like, this is wrong. This is bad news.
01:01:59
She had framed a photo of a celebrity that she had scratched their face out. Yes. I can't remember here. Just quick side note. You can't watch I Survived unless you sign up
01:02:13
through your cable subscription to watch it on Lifetime because they're on Lifetime now.
01:02:20
And I tried to do it like 20 times so I could just get the word for word of this middle part of the story.
01:02:25
I like it better when you tell it. Okay, good. But I just wanted to get this detail
01:02:29
because I think she said it was either Sarah Jessica Parker or like she says... It's got to be Brangelina.
01:02:35
Let's say Brangelina and the Angelina part of it is fucking scratched. You can get the details if you watch.
01:02:41
It's season two, episode 10. I just couldn't access it through my laptop anyhow she's got the bad chills
01:02:49
she's freaking out so she's like I gotta get out of here she also then sees some paperwork
01:02:54
with the name like a bill or something with the name Katie Smith on it so she's like this isn't good
01:03:00
so she goes and she's like I really have to leave don't say that just fucking go
01:03:06
Sarah says okay but can I can I get a hug and of course she wants to say no but she feels like she has to say yes
01:03:14
for some strange reason. Don't let people touch you if you're not comfortable with it.
01:03:18
She goes in for the hug and when they come out of the hug, bad Sarah raises up a huge
01:03:24
kitchen knife and tries to stab her. Our Sarah puts her hand up, blocks it and grabs
01:03:32
the knife. No, I just scared the shit out of Mimi. Oh no. Has to grab the knife.
01:03:40
Knocks it away. the knife goes on the ground our Sarah grabs the door runs out runs up the stairs
01:03:48
is screaming and running in this apartment building gets to the front door of the apartment building
01:03:55
grabs it tries to unlock it bad Sarah is right behind her grabs her by the hair drags her
01:04:03
screaming kicking and screaming back downstairs back down to the basement apartment
01:04:08
oh my god no one in the apartment building hears or comes out or does anything. Oh my God. She gets dragged back
01:04:16
into the apartment. I don't think I can deal with this one. You got to hang in here with me. Okay.
01:04:20
Because remember the name of the show? I know. I Survive. Okay. Sarah's the one telling us this
01:04:25
story. She gets pulled back into the apartment. Oh, also the first, this reminds me the first time
01:04:31
she went there when she walked in the door the first time when she was like, it was fine. No big
01:04:36
deal. She did remember, oh yeah, she did lock the door after me when I walked in. I do that though.
01:04:42
You do. All right. So maybe we want to hold that one against her. Still, I get why that would be
01:04:48
creepy. I do that for friends, not for people I don't know. And also they live in Fort Mitchell,
01:04:57
Kentucky, a tiny town, apparently, according to what I read. Yeah. So it's not, it's, you know,
01:05:02
It's not. And then I gave out my address. But so she pulls her back in. And now she knows she's in a fight for her life.
01:05:13
So she's like, I got to protect my baby and I got to stay alive. So they start wrestling and they go over the couch.
01:05:20
They hit the coffee table. They're wrestling, wrestling, hitting each other, the whole thing.
01:05:26
And finally, good Sarah grabs the knife, stabs her three times. Holy shit. Yeah.
01:05:31
Because this girl's trying to stab her to death. I thought this was going to be a takes the baby case.
01:05:37
Well, so Sarah staggers upstairs covered in blood with her own. Good Sarah. With her own.
01:05:45
Her hands are completely slashed. Oh, God. Oh, God. She gets outside and like gets across the street and is like laying on the sidewalk or the you know the ditch or whatever She got as far away as she could And then she basically was out The cops show up and find her there Then they go down to the basement apartment
01:06:05
and find this girl whose real name is Katie Smith dead. So they're holding Sarah Brady.
01:06:12
Sure. Our Sarah. Yeah. Holding her, you just murdered this girl, this friend of yours they were saying.
01:06:18
And she's like, no, no, no, no. So, and they're like, you just murdered a pregnant woman.
01:06:22
so well they go in and they search her apartment she is not really pregnant it was a false belly
01:06:31
she's never been pregnant she's 22 years old she's got the full nursery set up she's got all the stuff
01:06:38
but then in another room she's got all kinds of OBGYN equipment oh my god including
01:06:49
sorry including oh and they uncovered an obstetrics kit equipped with gloves and surgical scissors
01:07:01
in Smith's apartment. Holy shit. And they finally put it together that Katie Smith was planning
01:07:08
on stabbing Sarah Brady and cutting her fetus out of her body. This is how I thought
01:07:14
it was going to end and I wanted to cry. That's what she was intending to do. She had this girl Katie Smith
01:07:19
had told everyone in her family and all her neighbors that she was pregnant with twins.
01:07:24
She was showing people a sonogram of twins. She had everybody convinced. And now she was at the quote unquote nine month period.
01:07:34
Shit. And she had to get a baby. And apparently this girl, the bad Katie was obsessed with pregnancy
01:07:43
from her teenage years. So this had been, she had been a little off or whatever and always had a thing about wanting babies
01:07:52
and having babies and this whole thing. So Sarah Brady, the cops bring her in and once they discover all this other stuff,
01:08:00
they're like, oh, she was trying to kill you. And she's like, yeah, that's what I was telling you.
01:08:04
Like, we're not friends. I don't know that girl. Yeah, this wasn't something of two pregnant women
01:08:09
who were pissed at each other. This woman tried to kill me. And so even though she got brought in and questioned,
01:08:15
she was cleared of all, she was never charged with anything. She was cleared of all suspicion.
01:08:21
Nine months pregnant and she fucking beat the shit. And she fucking survived. And then they show, this is why I love her,
01:08:28
is because first of all, when you watch this episode of I Survived, she's like every girl you went to high school with.
01:08:33
She's like exactly how you picture her. She's just cute and young. And she tells a story like,
01:08:40
then she tried to stab me. She's like a normal human being. It's just like you know her.
01:08:45
I totally feel like I've met her before. and then they show a picture of her with her little daughter
01:08:49
the baby that she has who's completely happy and healthy and her whole thing is like this had to happen
01:08:56
I now know what I'm made of I'm like this is what motherhood does this is the power of women
01:09:02
there was no way I was going to let her hurt my child and it is the most you just adore her at the end of this episode
01:09:09
and she says like I wish that that girl wasn't so sick but I did what I had to do
01:09:15
and I, you know, got therapy or whatever, but I, this is what I had to do. I wouldn't have done it if she, you know,
01:09:21
hadn't attacked me. I just got butterflies in my womb for like the first time in like years.
01:09:27
Yeah, that's the power of motherhood. That's the power of my storytelling on your motherhood.
01:09:32
Karen, can I say, that was a fucking great storytelling. Did you like that one? Like you, you put, that was a good one.
01:09:40
That was one of the best storytellings that we've had. Of my life? No. You've done better than that.
01:09:48
I can't recommend I survived enough because their stories become your story. No, I'm watching it now.
01:09:53
I've told that one a bunch of times. That is crazy. It's my favorite. It's my favorite.
01:09:58
She was also on Oprah, this girl. No. Good for her. What can... Oh, my God. Tell me about...
01:10:04
Is it the brother-in-law? Uh-huh. Oh, I don't know. He just got to the cop station.
01:10:08
I was like, told you so. I fucking told you, Sarah. What did I say? You're just screaming that into her face.
01:10:13
You fucking idiot. She's crying with her hands all bandaged. What? How bad would he have felt if she had actually gotten killed or whatever?
01:10:20
Oh, my God. I told her so. But also, like, that's the thing is he said, I have a bad feeling.
01:10:25
Just let us go over there with you. And she was like, no, no, no. That's another thing is like, if somebody else just says, well, I'll just go with you.
01:10:32
Yeah. What's the harm? What's the big deal? Let them go with you. Let's not. Let's all make a pact.
01:10:37
Everyone listening to not go in anyone's house that we don't know ever, even if it seems innocent.
01:10:45
really like a party or something? No. What you're saying is always take a buddy.
01:10:50
Always take a buddy. Like, don't be like, oh, come on. Like, come in. I have, you know,
01:10:54
let me grab the letter that I was gonna. Right. No one has a letter for you. No.
01:10:58
That's a lie. Say you have allergies. Just say, oh, I'm sorry. I'm really sick. You can throw out any kind of period reference.
01:11:06
People let you get out of anything. Like the 1700s, any period at all. Oh my God, I'm so sorry.
01:11:14
Plasticine era. I know. I love a good pun. My mom used to do a thing where she's like,
01:11:19
you can blame it on me if you don't want to do this thing. Just say your mom won't let you.
01:11:24
Karen and Georgia right now are telling you you can blame it on mom or your mom.
01:11:28
Or yeah, say my friend Karen will get really mad. Yeah. And it's probably true because I have a serious temper.
01:11:36
I'm sorry if I come to that thing with you, my friend Karen, and just point over your shoulder with your thumb like I'm nearby.
01:11:43
Like a vague point. Yeah. Yeah. Big reference to you. Sorry, my friend Karen won't let me.
01:11:46
Yeah. Karen's in the car. Yeah. But you could just be listening to the podcast. Karen's in the car.
01:11:51
That's right. We're always with you. And we're always mad about something. Oh, that was so good.
01:12:00
Tell me her name again. Sarah Brady. Sarah Brady. From Fort Williams, Kentucky. Don't fuck with Sarah Brady.
01:12:07
Don't fuck with any of her type. No. Yeah. No. It's good stuff. I mean, you got to watch that episode
01:12:16
because the way she tells the story of fighting this girl off is nuts. She looks like the girl
01:12:21
that would sit next to you in a homeroom telling a story about fighting off a knife attack.
01:12:25
Jesus. And it's always like you think of yourself as like, I have black hair and I would kick this person's ass.
01:12:31
And then it's like, nope, it's the little fucking tiny cute one. It's always the little tiny cute one.
01:12:36
It's those, it's the ones you don't expect. Yeah. Well, also imagine like a huge kitchen knife.
01:12:41
Somebody even jokingly raising it up above your head. You'd just be like, what is happening?
01:12:47
Yeah. I certainly wouldn't catch it with my hands. Yeah. Really? I have a harder time with that than...
01:12:52
It's so awful. There's lots of those stories. Oh my God. I really have an issue.
01:12:58
I really can't. It's gross. Even. Defensive wounds, man. Horrible. Do you want to hear a hometowner?
01:13:08
A hometowner? Yes. I got one cute. All right. I'm not going to say this because some people
01:13:15
are going to send it to me. There's a different email address. Some people send it to me and then
01:13:18
I know you haven't read it. So sometimes I'll read it, but I don't want people sending them
01:13:21
to my email address because it's a lot. Yeah. Because I have anxiety and stress. Okay.
01:13:25
there's plenty of ways to get a hold of us like at my favorite murder at gmail.com yeah we should
01:13:31
say that my favorite murder gmail yeah send your hometown murders there totally so many good ones
01:13:35
all right so this is from paula i was 10 years old and it was 1990 hey we're the same age hey hi
01:13:43
my brother was graduating from hickman county high school that year hickman county is a rural
01:13:48
tennessee town where maybe someone shoots up the trailer park because someone cheats
01:13:52
and then it says in parentheses maybe it was my cousin's husband what's her name again paula paula but in the spring of 1990 the high school was still conducting
01:14:04
a type of pre-graduation graduation religious ceremony called uh baccalaureate baccalaureate
01:14:10
do you know what that we had that too yeah oh yeah i barely graduated high school no that's
01:14:16
a catholic thing okay um it was supposed to be held on sunday afternoon after church with the
01:14:20
Graduates usually around 150 kids and their immediate families in attendance. Well, all of us were at church that morning.
01:14:28
The school science teacher was turning the school into one giant bomb that would have went off during the ceremony.
01:14:36
The school assistant principal, Mr. Ron motherfucking Wallace, that's the motherfucking is for me because Mr. Ron Wallace had a daughter that was graduating.
01:14:46
So he came in early to make sure everything would run smoothly. He apparently startled the science teacher
01:14:51
Donald Givens Was his name Donald shot and killed him And since everything wasn't ready yet
01:14:58
Parentheses He had it set to slowly leak gas So that it would be an explosive Be on an explosive level during the ceremony Holy shit That some fucking Walter White shit Yeah He panicked and just set things on fire So Mr Wallace being murdered
01:15:15
saved hundreds of lives. The FBI did say that everything was actually set up correctly and it
01:15:23
would have blown if his plan had been carried out. Myself and my entire family would have been
01:15:29
casualties. It's such a weird event for me to reflect almost 30 years later. Oh God, is it 30?
01:15:34
When I think of everything in my life since then, it was a national headline at the time,
01:15:40
though being, although being when it was, it's hard now to find good info on why exactly he did it.
01:15:46
Mostly just town gossipy reasons at this point. I bet he hated those kids. Oh my God. Yeah.
01:15:53
So much. He was, what is he? The science teacher? Is that what he said? Man, those little shits.
01:15:58
that's insane how crazy is that i feel like i've never heard a story of a teacher that
01:16:05
tried to kill everybody at once no he was pissed that's amazing and that's actually 150 kids that's
01:16:12
a lot of kids it's not a small school it's like 50 kids or whatever yeah fuck paula paula that was
01:16:18
good paula that was incredible that was near miss and guess what it's another survivor story
01:16:24
kind of accidentally, but I didn't even do that on purpose. Look at us. Look at us.
01:16:29
We're good at our podcasting. And also look who came in the room. He's ready for his closeup.
01:16:34
Elvis knows when we're wrapping up and walks in and sits on the couch waiting for his part.
01:16:38
He starts salivating when he hears us get sad and be like, how do we wrap this up?
01:16:44
He's like, oh, this is, it's time. Every time he hears the tone go down, he's like, ah, yeah.
01:16:48
Oh yeah. You know what that means. Every time I stopped going, oh my God. I hear stories.
01:16:53
Can I say this year? This year? Where are we? All year long. Okay, but first we have to...
01:16:58
Oh, yeah. Oh, thanks for listening. My fave murder on Twitter. You know, do things.
01:17:06
Do rate, review, subscribe, iTunes. Fuck yeah. The usual stuff. Here we go. I think we're number seven on the comedy list again, which is crazy.
01:17:13
That's really nice. Thanks, everybody. Oh, cool. We love you. Tell a friend about it.
01:17:19
Or your Uber driver. Stay sexy. And don't get murdered. Elvis, do you want a cookie?
01:17:23
you gotta say cookie oh he's confused elvis don't make this part of the el the edited version of our podcast
01:17:36
because he's cross-eyed and he can't elvis do you want a cookie you want a cookie
01:17:47
ah good boy don't get murdered you guys bye okay we're back like that story had me on the edge of my seat like un-fucking-believable
01:18:05
i mean i've talked about this a bunch but at this time when we were doing this podcast
01:18:11
I had at least one writing job if not two So the idea that then I had a third writing job of writing these stories which of course I don think either of us understood the level
01:18:22
of homework we were signing up for. So oftentimes, basically my CliffsNotes cheat would be that I
01:18:31
would just retell an episode of I Survived that I remembered and loved because I had to do
01:18:36
something and it was like it it was the craziest position to be in but i just want to give it up
01:18:42
one more time for the television show i survived i believe it's produced out of new zealand
01:18:48
originally if you have not seen it and you like true crime and you care about survivor stories
01:18:54
it is an absolute must watch it's so incredible people telling their own story it's like
01:19:00
it's ideal and in this one sarah brady telling this story about what happened to her
01:19:07
It's just my version of it is just the boiled over, warmed over version. You have to watch Sarah Brady tell her own story.
01:19:14
It's mind boggling. Absolutely. There are a couple updates. It eventually came to light that Katie Smith, who was the woman who attempted to murder Sarah Brady, had faked three other pregnancies in the past.
01:19:27
She would go find personal information about pregnant women through their online baby registries.
01:19:33
And after Sarah's attack, Baby's RS changed its policy to protect access to personal information, which is great that they did that.
01:19:42
And then in this episode, I couldn't remember which celebrity face had been scratched out of the framed magazine cover, which is one of the chilling details as Sarah Brady is walking through this apartment.
01:19:53
Oh, my God. Can you imagine? Seeing this creepy stuff. It was the four stars of Sex and the City whose faces had been scratched out, framed and on a set of drawers.
01:20:05
No. And one of their names, of course, was Sarah. Right. So, yeah. What a story. I mean, God.
01:20:15
It's a wild one. It's so crazy. This is also the first time I think we talk about the word murderino.
01:20:21
Oh, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. So we had gotten that from a Facebook. Someone in the Facebook group coined the phrase murderino for somehow. And it just kind of stuck a little bit.
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I mean, it was such a good idea. It was a male murderino who did it, which I think really stands out because there's not that many. They're a small but mighty group. And not that it matters, but that's just how I remember. I think I remember the name Kevin, but it could be wrong.
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but whoever did it it was a word that he got from one of the simpsons halloween episodes right and
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it just stuck like immediately as if it had always been everybody's name it's so good uh and now
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people have it fucking tattooed on them so like good job maybe kevin and also if you are maybe
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kevin and you remember all this will you write into the gmail so we can actually give you the
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props you deserve because we've tried to give it to you but it's like the facebook page is gone
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had to be removed you know so we would love to give you the props you deserve if you out there yeah and if you have a murderino tattoo fucking tag us in that shit and we will high five you Send a little picture Yeah For the picture website
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