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This, and you may know this already, but this is our Wednesday episode where we travel back in time to recap old episodes of this podcast.
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Then we return to the present. It is a very painful process. It is a painful process. Today, we're recapping painfully episode 24, which we named, and 20 Justice for All.
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Yeah. It's fucking classic. Amazing. This came out on Thursday, July 7th, 2016. So get ready to defy the laws of space and time because now we're all going to be day
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one listeners. Okay, let's do it. Let's listen to the intro of episode 24. Do you want a podcast?
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Do you want to start a podcast? Hey, do you want a podcast? Hey. Hey. Hi. We need to wait.
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Start this and end this. That's like. That's clean. distinctive what if it was like um 70s newscast kind of like uh yeah that'd be good right
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let's just end instead it's just me laying down on the love seat guys uh you leaning back on the
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couch i lean back on the couch like a kind of like an old drunk hobo leans on a park bench
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right steven steven had to put his hand over his mouth it was that accurate so true he's like i'm
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seeing it's as if my hat is tipped forward. Yeah. And I'm leaning on this love seat
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like Mrs. Roper. That's right. If Mrs. Roper went and got some scissors and cut her caftan in half.
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Because Georgia doesn't fuck around with full length anything. No. You're all about
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the leg. Yeah, that's true. I do show a lot of leg. Because it's, you know why? That's summer Georgia in full effect.
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Full effect. Thank you whoever made that. I did a kind of rude thing I posted the picture Summer Karen in full effect on my Twitter page.
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And then after I did it, I probably should have found out who made that. Oh, right.
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I didn't have the name. Man, fucking credit gives me so much stress. I know. Like I won't.
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It's so hard to make sure that everyone gets credit and you don't want them to hate you and stop making shit.
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That's right. Well, here's the thing. You have a job that you go to every day. You have dogs, which everyone knows is very stressful.
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I have no day job. I mean, I work from time to time. You do stuff though. Yeah. I have extreme anxiety, which causes me to constantly do things.
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Yeah. Which is great. Mine causes me to constantly not do things. That's interesting.
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Oh, because you're like, I can't do this right. I'm not even, this is going to suck. I won't do it.
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Exactly. I freeze up. I have perfectionism. And then I'm, yeah, I just go fuck it. I've,
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I spent my life saying fuck it. Wow. Cause I'm, I don't have perfectionism. So I'm like, let's fucking try this and see what
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happens and then we'll learn from our mistakes and we can quit it if it sucks. That's the way to be.
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Yeah. Like if you do everything like at a B plus, you know, and no one else does anything else
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because they think they're going to get a B. Then that rounds up to an A. Then I get a fucking A.
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Hell yeah, girl. You know what I mean? I like this. I have to rely on other people's
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perfection anxieties to just deliver mine. God, that's really smart. Did I tell you my grandma's, my grandma's saying bigger dummies than you.
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Yeah, that's right. You know, it's so good. It's so good and bad at the same time.
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My grandma's saying was, be quiet now. Is she Romanian? No, that's Irish. She was a vampire or something.
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I'll be quiet now. She was a gypsy. I only saw her once. I love it. Yeah, just try it.
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And if it sucks, you can just walk away from it. Girl, I'm about it. I mean, you were right about this podcast.
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but oh let walk away from it no no like just try it why don we try it let just do one and see how it goes that my whole motto yeah let do one and see how it goes it very smart And now everyone making these awesome crafts which by the way I gave my fucking PO box on the Facebook Is that a mistake No it a PO box I know but man What do you think Someone
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going to go stand by the PO box and wait for you? Yeah. No, that's the whole point of PO boxes is
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there's someone that works there. And if someone's just start standing by a PO box, they're like,
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hey weirdo with the kitchen knife get the fuck out of here I don't know why I'm just going to always go with Vince
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so anyone who's thinking about beating me up I'm going with my big tall husband who will probably
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do nothing I love the idea that a PO box would make you this nervous this is like
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now we're opposites again this is where I'm brave where I would just be like come at me
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give it your best I'm terrified I know but who cares I mean you could take a nice swing
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at somebody what a stupid way to die though like what I feel like if I heard that like this girl who has a true crime
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podcast put her P.O. box up and got killed what a fucking idiot why did she do that that's what I would think
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I wouldn't P.O. box is like the most vague like if it's a city you don't even know if the person lives in that city
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you just got the P.O. box and also this is Los Angeles there's so many people here.
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So like I almost want to say millions. That sounds fucking right. I dare say. That sounds right.
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Okay. All right. And also no offense, but there's better PO boxes than Sandexter.
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Everything was great up until you just said that. And now I'm so sad. There's so many better dummies in this town.
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No. Thank you. Don't be sad. I meant that in a complimentary way. Is there one? No.
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But I mean, Justin Timberlake lives here somewhere. That's what I'm saying. Okay.
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That's what I mean. Go kill. Don't kill Justin Timberlake, you guys. I was just going to say go kill him.
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But that's not okay. The people who kill are not influenceable by these podcasts.
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We can't. They're not going to be like with their murder kid under the passenger seat and be like,
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you know what, girls? You show me the way. No one diabolically listens to a podcast.
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people only like at least medium joyfully listen to podcasts. No one's like... Now we're baiting people.
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Now people are like, I'm going to show her. There's no like Mr. Burns-esque podcast listeners sitting at his desk going,
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you know, with his fingers and like... No. He doesn't listen. Marge listens. Simpsons.
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This podcast always comes back to the Simpsons. Lisa totally is a fan. Lisa's on that Facebook page.
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NPR for sure. oh I saw can I recommend a Netflix series that I watched all of in one day always always always
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oh I'll love this is from our new section olives olives always all of you it's called Marcella
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or Marcella they pronounce it because they're British so they'll do a fancy pronunciation
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that baffles me as we've I've already proven it's with Anna Friel it's super good it's female
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homicide detective who's all screwed up as all the good ones are. They're always screwed up.
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I watched the whole season, which I think was eight episodes, maybe more in a day.
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And it was so good. And there's a couple people on the Facebook page who have recommended it.
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What's it called? Marcella is how it's spelled. Did you watch it, Stephen? I want to watch it.
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I haven't seen it yet. I totally, you should watch it. I've never heard of it. It's really good.
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And it's like, I mean, do you like, Do you like those kinds of procedurals, like a Luther or a...
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What country of origin? England. Okay. Yes and no. Okay. It just depends. Sometimes I...
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What do you need? What? What do you need? Oh, you know what I loved is the one...
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I'm not going to remember the name. The one with the woman. Oh, yes. That one. Was she dead?
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No, she was a police detective and she was incredible. Oh, Happy Valley? Yes. Yes.
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I loved Happy Valley. And then there was another one and I was just like, I can't with this.
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I don't care. It's, I just don't know. Maybe you need yours more character driven.
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Like Happy Valley is almost more about her family. Yeah. Her trying to deal with just her shit.
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Yeah. I guess it was like about her. I could legitimately see why she was fucked up and sad.
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Yes. And it wasn't like, just go get a fucking coffee and cheer up. Yes. or like, you don't have to talk like this.
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They didn't do those like dramatic bullshit things, like talking in dramatic voices
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and words that no one would ever fucking say. Not that I can understand everything
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that was said on that show because there's some thick accents. But you watched the second season, right?
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I don't know if I finished it yet. Oh, it's the best. Okay. Anyway, sorry, go on.
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No, no, no. That's just my recommendation. There was like one lone person was like,
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did anybody watch this? It's so good. So I found that on the Facebook page. I was like, I did.
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I loved it. there's maybe there were two people actually sorry but i just wanted to to tell more people
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if if people liked british procedurals like a luther or a um uh i don't know dexter was that
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good no i did not like dexter never saw it it was super cheesy it's a different type of
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yeah procedural because it's it was very heavy-handed it was also narrated which i
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almost always hate oh interesting was it like csi it was actually but yes no it was csi and but
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michael c hall is awesome he's from six feet under oh yeah of course he's great and it's like
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the storylines are interesting because it serial killer stuff but there was just a lot of like i don know and it didn do it the way I like it I went to his house on 4th of July once Really Yeah
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That's, no, this is a, we'll call this, this area is called Celebrity Center. It's called who does stock at a PO box besides Georgia?
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Let's talk about it. Michael C. Hall is a good person to stock. Michael C. Hall, for example.
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I know where he fucking lives, you guys. If you're thinking of killing me at my PO box,
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let me know and I'll give you Michael C. Hall's address. Good. Throw him under the bus.
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Or give... Why don't you have your mail sent to his mailbox? Okay. I can't wait to see what we start getting, though.
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Like, as much as I'm scared of dying, I'm also excited for, like, presents. For living.
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Yeah. Yeah. Someone... I don't even want to talk about it yet, but someone's made us lipsticks.
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What? Like, our flavor of lipstick. Like, a Karen Kilgariff lipstick and a Georgia Heart.
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No, I can't. Can you even fucking go? I couldn't be more excited. I know I don't want to talk about it yet because I just want to open the box with you
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Should I open before and present to you However you like to do it Or should we open the stuff together
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I have a feeling you have a very specific Way you like to do A male situation Well I mean yeah probably things in general
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Do you like to have it be a surprise Remember last time I was afraid moths were going to come out
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That's like a thing I like a surprise but probably Because I knew you Knew everything about it
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Um, yeah, we can do either way. I guess it depends. I don't know. We can do anything.
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It might be fun to open it together. Yeah. And neither of us know. What if we open it and then we have to fake our response?
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Because we're not that stoked on it. Or like, you know, I used to work at Bio Bottoms, which was a children's natural fiber clothing company in my hometown.
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Okay. And the returns department- Bio Bottoms? It was called Bio Bottoms. They made a shit ton of money.
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I bet. But the returns department used to come and tell us weird shit that they got.
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And they're like, what? Like just dog shit. like someone sent back a box that just had an old dried piece of
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yeah okay i'll open it first and then i mean as much as it would be fun to do that live no let's do it live if we got we should get
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like corners like goggles the full suit gloves hazmat no hazmat with it or we should we open it
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all on video and post that somewhere. Yeah. Make people pay to watch us open mail.
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That's a good idea. I mean, why not? Pay to open free shit. Come on. Yeah, we should do it on video.
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Here I go again with my fucking... Plans and schemes. Plans and schemes. You're the architect of this high-rise building
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that we're living in. We do this together. I'm just a... Conduit? Fueled by too much coffee and Adderall.
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And the Invisalign... Invisalign I just took out of my mouth because I realized how awful it's happening.
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I actually get great joy from watching you take your Invisalign out of your mouth.
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Because it looks like it's three times bigger than your mouth as you take it out.
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Like, so it's an event. It is. I feel like and then there's like a string of saliva attached to it.
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It's real sexy. It's fun. So, you know, someone recently emailed me and said, I listened to your podcast and thank
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you for talking about depression and anxiety. I have it and I've never done anything. Where do I
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even start to find a therapist? And I was like, so stoked this person wrote me because to me,
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it's like fucking second nature. I've been doing this since I was 12. So I'm just like,
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what? And so I gave them psychology today has a great page. You put in your zip code and it tells
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you the psychologist in your area. That's how I found my therapist. Yeah. I found most of my
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therapists through that. And I love my therapist. I've been with her for like 12 years. Yeah,
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Really? Wow. Yeah. And that's it was one day. I think I tried one other person because I told my friend who was a therapist, so I couldn't go to her.
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So she's like, just tell me what you want. I'll recommend. And I said, I need to talk to somebody that looks like Olympia Dukakis.
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That was a mistake. You can't do it that way. No, you can't cast it in your mind and pretend you're going to go act out scenes.
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They do have photos on the thing. And I've definitely been like, that's it. She looks like a hippie. Right.
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I don't want to go to her. I don't want to go into a cloud of pot to talk about my problems.
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She doesn't know what it's like to just wear all this makeup all the time. I don't want someone who keeps interrupting my good stories with their stories of Woodstock and the doors.
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Yeah. No, that Psychology Today. Yeah. Is this shit, that website. Yeah. So in case you're too scared to ask.
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Don't be scared. Everyone's in therapy. Yeah. And everyone needs to be in therapy.
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Also, Psychology Today is the freaking best magazine. Yeah, it's good. You should get it.
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It's all about understanding yourself. Yeah, sure. I'm sorry. That was so condescending.
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Okay, we're back. Georgia, would you like to apologize to British Procedurals right now?
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Or Olivia Colman personally? Personally, yes. My apologies to Olivia Colman. You are a fucking the queen of queens, literally.
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And I'm fucking obsessed with you. British Procedurals, yes. It's still Karen's thing, but I support.
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I'm forcing your hand on that one. You're just being nice. A little bit. A little bit sometimes depends.
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We still have that PO box, right? We still have that PO box. And luckily, I don't pick up that mail anymore, if you can believe it.
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So feel free to go and hang out at the PO box, but also send us whatever the fuck you
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feel like sending us. We get wedding invites. We've gotten maple syrup. we've gotten hot dog earrings paintings of steven so much like i have a wall full of paintings of
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my cats like in my office right now it's just my favorite thing it's pretty great you guys have been
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very generous over the years but if you haven been generous you still have a chance The P Box is My Favorite Murder Inc at P Box 39585 LACA 90039
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Yeah, the explanation I had to give to the guy at the post office to get my favorite murder listed. He looked at me very strangely and I had to get my dimples going to be like, everything's okay.
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It's fine. Don't worry. It's about something else. It's cute. Don't worry about it.
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You're like, as if that would be the creepiest thing that's ever happened at a P.O. box. Come on.
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Grow up. All right. So this is when I first share my grandma Molly's saying, bigger dummies than you, which makes me so happy.
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I was just in an episode of the therapy podcast, Your Mental Breakdown. And I talk about this saying specifically and how much it means to me that it's become part of our lore because it just like memorializes my grandma.
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And I love that. And it also just lets people know that you can have a little wider perspective when you're feeling insecure, when you're feeling like you have self-doubt.
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That like you have to think about what's gone on in the world for the last couple thousands of years and how dumb a lot of people have been.
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And they weren't insecure. And they've accomplished everything. So like, you can fucking do it too.
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Get out there with your talent and your brains, please. This isn't the same, but my friend Crystal is a Pilates instructor.
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And I had like this toenail surgery mishap. And, you know, I love my feet. They're so cute.
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And I was like bitching to her about how my toe is ruined. And she goes, Georgia, have you not seen other people's feet?
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She's like, I see people's feet all the time. She's a flies instructor. I promise yours are still like on top.
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And I just stopped caring about the toe thing. Like it really helped me. I forgot that other people have hideous feet.
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I love Crystal. And so even mine, I mean, she really did it for me. Grandma Molly and Crystal high fives all around.
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Everyone's doing an incredible job. It's very important to have other people help you keep perspective.
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You can't do it for yourself all the time. Yeah. Shame thrives in the shadows, right?
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That's right. That's what Brene Brown says. So fucking scream that shit to the ceiling.
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Might as well. And let your friends and your grandma talk you down. So, Karen, this is when you tell your like legit classic, I mean, awful hometown.
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A true hometown of mine. A true hometown. I mean, I don't know. Like re-listening and remembering that you worked with Pauly Klaas' mother.
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I completely forgot that. I mean, this is such a hometown for you. Well, and it's that kind of thing where like when you thought of the idea of people sending in their hometowns, the idea is there's so many people that have like these kinds of connections.
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It didn't happen to you. It didn't happen in your family. But it happened in a way that affected you.
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It's like Michelle McNamara in I'll Be Gone in the Dark, where it's like these things happen around us and it affects us.
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And watching how it affects other people affects us. And if you are an empathetic human being, you know, the fact that these senseless murders happen, there is a ripple effect.
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And that ripple effect matters. And people, there is the tragedy and there's the part that shuts people down entirely.
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And then there's the part where then people become detectives. They become forensic scientists.
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They become victims advocates. Like, you know, the ripple effect isn't sometimes can actually end up doing good, which is a pretty cool thing that I think as this podcast progressed, we started to get a handle on where it went less from the salacious kind of, oh, Ted Bundy, blah, blah, blah, you know, 90s attitude that we came up with.
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And then it turned into like this. This is real. These are human stories. Yeah. And the fact that like, for a lot of us, these stories have stuck with us in a way that we're not allowed to talk about because we're not involved and we're not, you know, it is the victim story. It is their family. We're not that we're not trying to say that, like, you know, boohoo us, but like they've stuck with us and in our heart in a way that we've never been able to get out because people don't talk about this. And I feel like we've given people a platform to talk about it and still acknowledge that they care about it, even though they're not directly involved.
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involved. And I mean, there's no better proof of that than web sleuths, people that are online
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actually doing that work that could actually get cold cases solved. Like that's real. And that is
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nothing to do with like the media aspect of it. It's like the people going and trying to help
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get the job done. Like the Doe Network. Yeah, all of that. It's incredible. It's incredible.
00:22:51
All right. Well, let's listen to Karen's hometown story, the murder of Polly Class.
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Skipper times. Come back to us, skippers. Oh. If it's mine this week, if I go first, I've been...
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This past week has been quite crazed. Do you want me to go first? No, no, no. I can go.
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But I just need a little ramp up of, I had plans and schemes about what I was going to do
00:25:58
and then realized I needed to do more work. Like really dig in and do some serious research.
00:26:06
Because that's the thing is sometimes you go to talk about. So I want to do Ted Bundy
00:26:09
because I'm three quarters of the way through that Ann Rule book, The Stranger Beside Me, which is amazing.
00:26:15
There's other people on the Facebook page reading it. so I love that that we're reading it at the same time
00:26:21
but when I do it it should be comprehensive and not half ass because he is pretty much one of the most
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famous serial killers of our time and very fascinating. Well I like sometimes when you
00:26:32
will like pick a part of that story or pick you know you don't have to tell him from start to finish
00:26:39
but like you know the co-ed murders that he did like if you pick a thing from it or how
00:26:45
Richard Ramirez got caught I think that is an amazing story on its own. I'll say what I'm passionate about,
00:26:51
about Ted Bundy. But no, when I do it, it's going to be a three hour presentation.
00:26:58
I'll just take a nap. Okay. Just read the book on the podcast. Yes, exactly. In kind of a slow, low voice
00:27:06
where people are just like, all right, I was trying to get through my work day, but whatever you feel like doing is fine.
00:27:13
Yeah, this podcast has changed. It's a bummer. No, so I figured I would go back to my roots
00:27:19
And I'm going to do My hometown murder Which is the most famous murder from my hometown
00:27:27
Which is the poly class murder And The other reason I'm telling this is because Not only was it a first hand experience
00:27:37
I didn't live in my hometown when she was kidnapped But I lived in San Francisco
00:27:42
And I would go home for holidays and I was back and forth all the time. But Polly Klaus's mother is a woman named Eve
00:27:51
and Eve was my boss at the last job I had when I lived in Petaluma, which was at Byer Bottoms,
00:27:58
the natural fiber children's clothing. Oh my God. Dun, dun, dun. It comes back around.
00:28:03
So I actually didn't mean to make that reference, but then I was doing it. I was like, oh,
00:28:07
I'm probably doing this on purpose subconsciously. But it was very strange because there's a lot of the times we look and we research these stories
00:28:17
and it's these places that are like, you know, when we talk about like the police messing up an investigation
00:28:24
or things, you know, things getting screwed up or whatever, a lot of times it's because it's towns that have never had a crime to that degree,
00:28:32
a murder or kidnapping or something where people don't have the experience and most of their career as a cop is pulling people over,
00:28:40
you know giving people like duis and stuff totally and it's before the internet so you don't really
00:28:45
experience i mean now we can read about other crimes in other cities ad nauseum yeah and people
00:28:52
and all uh police stations are and cops are more connected because of the internet so that's like
00:28:59
that whole east area rapist the golden state killer thing where there were you know there
00:29:04
were police um departments who were keeping information from each other totally because
00:29:08
they were the ones that wanted the collar. That's, it's like all of that and the way that,
00:29:12
you know, that criminal science is kind of developing because of the internet. So, so my hometown is Petaluma, California, and it is one of those towns where when I was growing
00:29:24
up there, I think it, the population was somewhere around 32,000. So it was a small farm town,
00:29:31
basically. So the, the main town itself, there was like the downtown area, the east side had like
00:29:37
more of like the newer development track tomes. Kind of everyone on the east side had like a two-story house.
00:29:44
But on my side, on the west side, that was out where all the dairy and chicken ranches were.
00:29:51
So that's... I grew up five miles outside of town. And so we basically were It was the country And so when we Like when I was growing up we didn have cable Holy shit We only had four channels We only got four channels on our TV and we couldn get pizza delivered to our house
00:30:07
Wow. Because we lived too far out of town. And that was how a lot of kids I knew grew up.
00:30:12
Yeah. It was just country. That just seems like I can't imagine being that far. Like as someone who grew up literally with like shared walls with other apartments.
00:30:23
Oh yeah. I just can't even imagine living in that much space. Yeah. It's weird. It's like, you know, we didn't have sidewalks.
00:30:30
We didn't have streetlights. Holy shit. So at night, I think now they do on the street that I grew up on.
00:30:38
But like at the time, like there was when you drove at night out where I grew up, it
00:30:43
was pitch black. I don't even know what that looked like. I have never seen the stars like that unless I'm camping or something.
00:30:49
It's so fun. When I go to my dad's house for like holidays, I get out of the car and I stand in his driveway
00:30:55
and they'll be like, come on, crazy. Like it's like it's stars from like horizon to horizon.
00:31:01
People who aren't in L.A. or New York or a big city don't. There's no stars because there's so much light pollution that you just can't see.
00:31:08
We can never see stars here. Never. And people that live in like, oh, my God, if you live in like Kansas.
00:31:14
or like somewhere that's like kind of low population and no light pollution. Dang.
00:31:22
Dang, dude. We used to lay out at nights in the summertime. Our next door neighbor, the Withingtons, had a pool
00:31:27
and we would sometimes have like a slumber party where we'd all lay in sleeping bags next to their pool
00:31:33
and we would lay on their chaise lounges and look up and there would just be shooting stars all night long.
00:31:40
We just, that's all we did was go, there's one, there's one, there's one. It was awesome.
00:31:44
That's amazing. So anyway, that's basically the feel of this town. This was the kind of town where,
00:31:50
and I think I've told the story before in the show, but like in my town, at one time a guy on the street
00:31:58
tried to purse snatch a lady's purse and everyone on the sidewalk chased him up the street.
00:32:05
Yes. It's that everyone knows each other. Everyone's from there. People like stay there, grow up there,
00:32:12
stay there, raise their kids there. There's generations and generations of like ranching
00:32:16
people of, of all kinds of people. So it's cool. It's, I feel now I feel lucky when I was growing
00:32:22
up. I was like, get me out of here. I want to go to Manhattan. So when this happened,
00:32:30
it happened, it was a little house that was on the, uh, a little Walnut Park that was,
00:32:37
I think it's Walnut Park. A little park that's in the kind of city center. And it's really cute.
00:32:44
My friend Heidi Peterson's mom actually had a house. So it's basically a park in the center
00:32:49
and then the four streets squaring around it. So it wasn't rural. It wasn't in the middle of
00:32:55
nowhere. No, they lived downtown Petaluma. Wow. So they lived walking distance. The main
00:33:00
part of downtown is Petaluma Boulevard and Western. And that's where the really old buildings,
00:33:07
the old two and three story buildings are. They lived probably 10 blocks from that part of town.
00:33:15
So, but still, and this was, this happened in 1993. But even then, this was the kind of town
00:33:26
where people did not lock their front door. Yeah. You just didn't. There was no reason to.
00:33:31
No, it seems like such a, like what everyone says, like you didn't lock your door, but like,
00:33:36
I don't think you did. Right. Until like... It was... I think that's also... That's that thing of like people as we get older and as this kind of like 2020 generation
00:33:45
grows up. Yes. It's that thing of like, now we just know what happens to other people.
00:33:50
Right. Our parents didn't do it because they came from a time when you didn't have to.
00:33:54
We do it as adults because we... Because we know the possibility. Right. They didn't understand the possibility as much, I think.
00:34:01
Yeah. But also in these small towns that it just didn't happen there. So it wasn't like you're like, well, we should be careful anyway.
00:34:08
It'd be like, don't be weird. Like, there's no reason. So on October 1st, 1993, Polly was having a slumber party with two of her friends.
00:34:19
And Eve was in the front of the house. Her mom was in the front of the house. And somebody came in their back door, walked into her bedroom.
00:34:31
and the rumor is that he said, which one of you lives here? Now, I know a bunch of small town rumors
00:34:40
about this case and they could completely be bullshit. But I'm basically just telling you this.
00:34:46
Oh, I want to hear those. Wait, so how old was she? She at the time was 12. Okay.
00:34:51
And so were they sleeping already? They were all awake. They were awake and like doing slumber party stuff.
00:34:57
And the mom was awake and everything? Yes. Holy shit. Yeah. So he tied the friends up first and put pillowcases over their head.
00:35:06
And then he took her out of the house. And he told them to count to a thousand or kill them.
00:35:14
So once they heard him go, they got free and then ran to the front of the house and said someone took Polly.
00:35:20
Good for them. So the other thing is Dave Anthony, the co-host of The Dollop, my first comedy boyfriend.
00:35:28
when we lived in San Francisco, he still worked at the bank in his hometown, which is Novato,
00:35:35
the town next to my town, going south to San Francisco. And his boss at that bank,
00:35:44
his daughter was one of those two girls. So when this shit kicked off, it was like everyone you knew was affected in some way.
00:35:51
Yeah. Everyone you knew knew a person, everyone you knew. Like my sister best friend Adrienne who is basically like my sister too she pulled out a photo album one time because she also worked at Bio Bottoms That job was actually really awesome
00:36:06
It was like paid you way more than minimum wage. And we basically just sat there from like six in the morning until two in the afternoon
00:36:13
and took calls and took orders. And so you could actually make kind of a good living and then have the rest of your day done.
00:36:20
So she was like a young mother. She worked there with me. she pulled out a photo album one time of uh there was somebody had a baby shower and everybody was
00:36:29
there and eve brought paulie to that baby shower so this girl was like it's that thing where it's
00:36:34
not just oh a girl from our town we all feel so everybody knew this family holy shit that's like
00:36:40
that's so crazy that when there's this like and i've noticed this with hometown murders that are
00:36:45
all like my brother's best friend from college or it's always someone you know it's not just the
00:36:51
hometown murder, the thing that happened in their hometown, it's like a thing that could have been
00:36:55
them or they knew the people or they affect, you know, affected them somehow. Totally. So interesting.
00:37:01
Well, and that, I think that's also that thing that ties us into it is because like, I remember
00:37:06
the first time I went home, my sister called me to tell me that it happened. And the first time I
00:37:12
went home, I drove, so to get off the freeway, I have to drive up Petaluma Boulevard. And then my
00:37:17
parents now live it my dad lives in town they finally of course when we graduated from high
00:37:23
school moved out that's when my parents moved into town and got cable and ordered pizza they
00:37:29
didn't have cable until you left for college no no i my my friends would talk about the brady
00:37:35
bunch that was like on channel 44 which was like oh that's the san francisco station that like
00:37:39
other people have yeah we just had dipshit gilligan's island anyway i'm not shaming you
00:37:45
It's just like, it's such an interesting fact of your life. Yeah. It's so weird.
00:37:50
And also because my dad's a fireman, which is this classic move of fireman, which was
00:37:54
we have cable in the firehouse. We don't need that shit. So he saw all the terrible stuff that cable provided and he was like, I'm keeping that
00:38:01
away from my kids. And yet it didn't make a fucking difference. Look at you now.
00:38:04
Look at the things I'm talking about and how much I say the F word. It has no, it had no bearing on your life at all.
00:38:10
I think it pushed me the other direction. That's why I'm a Satanist. Just kidding, dad.
00:38:15
He's not listening to this. So anyway, what the first time I came home after my sister told me about it, I'm pretty sure it was for Thanksgiving.
00:38:26
Or maybe it was somewhere in the middle of November. The entire town, because Pauly's favorite color was purple.
00:38:35
The entire town and every fucking car had a purple bow on it. Like a purple ribbon, like the yellow ribbon for soldiers.
00:38:44
there was purple ribbons for waiting for Polly to get found. How long had she been gone by that point?
00:38:49
Well, she got kidnapped on October 1st. Wow. And so this was probably three weeks.
00:38:55
It was everywhere. And it was like, it gave me the chills. By the time I got to my parents' house, I was crying.
00:39:01
Oh, no. It was so heavy. Then my sister, who loves to be this person, started telling me all the stuff that she heard.
00:39:08
And apparently, so that happened the night of October 1st. The next day, they had to tell all the kids at Petaluma Junior High because she was in, I believe, seventh grade.
00:39:20
And she is the beginning of seventh grade. Like if it was October, she'd probably only been in school for a couple months.
00:39:27
They made the announcement that she was missing and they had flyers that said, have you seen me?
00:39:33
And they said, after school, we want you all to hand these out everywhere you can.
00:39:38
the kids got took the flyers and all got up and left school right that moment and went out into
00:39:46
the town are you crying story yep started that my sister told me that story and i sobbed for like
00:39:52
10 minutes straight because it's like these kids this was a girl that was their friend this was the
00:39:57
girl they had a crush on yeah this was like a real person a human being that someone just fucking
00:40:02
took out of her room. I mean, it's so brazen that it's, it's a nightmare. It's, it's even
00:40:08
scarier that it's just like not other circumstances, like she was alone or, you know, her parents
00:40:15
weren't home or something. It's just like, how do you protect yourself? You can't blame anything.
00:40:20
Yeah, exactly. And, and also that, yeah, it's just, it's every parent's nightmare. It's every
00:40:27
kid's nightmare. Yeah. So the young, the young children of that class in Petaluma High, at Petaluma
00:40:34
Junior High, I've always had just this, like the biggest warm spot in my heart for them because
00:40:39
also it was just like, we don't give a fuck. Like put us on detention. What are you going to do?
00:40:43
We are going to go do everything we can to help find her. Yeah. And how can you sit through the
00:40:47
rest of the school day? I mean, I get it. I mean, I'm sure, you know, but it's just,
00:40:51
it was kind of just a beautiful, incredibly sad thing. And the whole town took it that way. I
00:40:57
mean everybody you know they they uh so Winona Ryder is from my hometown okay and she I think
00:41:05
she also grew up like out in the country like I did um and she went to Petaluma Junior High and
00:41:12
Petaluma High School and she uh came back and she made the announcement when they were still looking
00:41:19
for her so they ended up finding her or no they they ended up like making an arrest uh near the
00:41:28
end of november the beginning of december so somewhere in there like at the end of november
00:41:34
winona rider went on tv and made an announcement in national news saying this girl's missing if
00:41:40
you've seen her we love her she's part of the community this is my town like all the shit where
00:41:46
You know, I'm sitting in an apartment in San Francisco watching it being like this is so weird. This is my this is where I grew up.
00:41:53
This is my whole life And like and it everyone going like yeah this is this is our girl Like we have to find find her Someone has to do something So the horrible part of all of it is the policemen the Petaluma police actually immediately called in the FBI
00:42:12
They did all that stuff that we talked about. There's other, or Novato, that other murder, that young girl, where they just immediately called the FBI.
00:42:23
They know they're in over their head. They do the whole missing persons thing. But the problem was the night that it happened, when the APB went out, it went out on the sheriff's channel, which was channel one.
00:42:39
and that night there was some Sonoma Valley police officers that found, so a woman
00:42:48
was babysitting at her boss's house and she saw a car that was on her boss's private road
00:42:56
and so she called the police and said, I don't know who this guy is but there's a car sitting down there, it's stuck in a ditch
00:43:02
and someone needs to come so it was from what I saw on Wikipedia it said Sonoma Valley Police.
00:43:10
I'm not sure if that's accurate or what area they were in. But it was somewhere kind of in the rural part.
00:43:18
So it all goes kind of starts going by county. So it might have been Sonoma County Sheriff,
00:43:23
Sonoma County Police, whatever. But they call the police to go out there and the police who went were on channel three.
00:43:32
This was before they had united all of the APB channels. Oh God. So if the APB went out for the sheriff's department, it only went out to the other sheriffs on channel one, I guess.
00:43:42
Now they have it because of this kidnapping and this murder. They changed all of that.
00:43:48
So the second an APB goes out in 911, whatever thing like that, everybody hears it on all of those channels.
00:43:55
But it wasn't like that then. So these two cops go up and they check this guy out.
00:43:59
They don't know. They don't like how he looks. They don't like where he is. They don't.
00:44:03
They're asking him a bunch of questions. He's got an open container. he's clearly been drinking he's got leaves in his hair he's got shit on him and but they search the
00:44:14
car there's nothing going on there's nothing in the car so there's nothing they can do they told
00:44:20
they really didn't like they just the feel of it knowing nothing about what was going on they
00:44:24
didn't like him but they told the um and this is gonna sound blamey but it's it's one of those
00:44:32
things where it's like you it's better to overdo it than not do anything at all definitely because
00:44:36
they told the uh property owner um you need to make a citizen's arrest so we can arrest this guy
00:44:44
because we can't there's nothing that's going on that we can do anything about because this is a
00:44:48
private road it's your property so you need to come out and say i want uh you're under citizen's
00:44:54
arrest and then we can take him away and the property owner was like i don't want to do that
00:44:58
Yeah. So they just had to leave. Which is understandable because then he knows where she lives.
00:45:03
That's exactly right. The minute he gets let out. Yeah. So they have to let him go.
00:45:10
Yeah. But what they did was they basically did every little piece. This is like now the opposite of most of the stories we hear.
00:45:17
These cops did every little piece of paperwork they possibly could about this guy.
00:45:22
They took his name. They took all the information about his car, where they were, the report and everything.
00:45:27
and they filed the thing. It's called like an F1 file or something like that. And it was the one thing
00:45:34
that they could basically do was fill out this... What is it called? It's called an...
00:45:43
It doesn't really matter. It's like an F1 card or something like that that basically says
00:45:50
this was an event that happened that the police got called to that we don't like
00:45:54
but there's nothing we can do but it happened and we want people to know. So they did that immediately.
00:45:59
And then when did they find out that that's who that was? Sorry, it was an FI card,
00:46:03
a field interrogation card. Okay. So they have all his information, they have the car information
00:46:08
and what happened? Sorry, what was the question? That makes sense. So when did they realize who it was?
00:46:13
Or were you getting that? I thought that's what you meant. Oh, okay. So no. So once they left,
00:46:19
they don't know. On November 28th, so then it was basically two months later. Yeah.
00:46:25
That same property owner is inspecting her property after loggers partially cleared the property of trees.
00:46:32
And she discovers items that make her think that they might have matched those used in the kidnapping.
00:46:38
So the sheriff's department goes out there and they find a torn pair of ballet leggings that matched by the FBI crime lab to the other part of the leggings that were taken as evidence the night of the kidnapping.
00:46:53
So they basically, the theory is that he had already taken her out of the car and hidden her out in these bushes.
00:47:04
And then went back to the car. Then the cops pull up and he's just like, yeah, you can look at any shit that I want because she's tied up in the bushes over there.
00:47:14
They don't know whether or not he, when they arrested this guy. So this guy's named Richard Allen Davis.
00:47:18
he has he is on par with charles manson in how many times he has been arrested and been in jail
00:47:25
like the worst record miles long um he wouldn't tell them anything he wouldn't tell them that the
00:47:34
events once he confessed that he's the one that that killed her um he didn't he wouldn't give them
00:47:40
details of anything so they would try to walk him through it and he just wouldn't say what happened
00:47:45
or what he did or anything. He just admitted like they had all the enough evidence
00:47:51
to bring him to trial. And he basically was like, yeah, I did it. But he didn't tell them.
00:47:58
They don't know if she... was murdered that night. They don't know if he kept her for longer, but she wasn't found. Her
00:48:05
body wasn't found there. Her body was found off of the 101 freeway, pretty far north up in Cloverfield,
00:48:14
which is like, it's so weird too. Like when I, you hear all these things, like these are the
00:48:18
towns where we played, we played against them in softball in high school. It's like the town you
00:48:23
would go to. We would go there on our way to Blue Lake on our way to vacation, like every summer.
00:48:28
No, I'm picturing places in Orange County and I can make sense of that. Yeah. So it's just like, you're just thinking as you drive up, it's also rural up there anyway,
00:48:37
but as you drive up, you just look out and somewhere off the side of the highway,
00:48:41
there was a little girl's body buried. I hate it. It's really awful. Essentially, the three strike law was put into place after this case happened
00:48:53
because this guy had such an insane record where it was like, you can't just get arrested
00:48:59
for a ton of terrible shit like 50 times in your life and not have, and just keep getting out
00:49:05
and keep doing stuff like this. Like he, he was, he was pretty awful. So he admitted to strangling
00:49:13
her to death. But that's all the information that he would give. I wonder why he wouldn't,
00:49:20
because he was toying with them. You would think that if he had gotten them, sorry, am I interrupting you?
00:49:26
No, not at all. You would think that if he had not killed her before the cops came,
00:49:30
he would have wanted them to know that so he can like taunt them almost. He was super weird.
00:49:38
So when they put him on trial, he did a bunch of weird shit. He flipped off like the jury.
00:49:45
Like he was Manson-y in that way where he, it was stuff like, before they arrested him in my town, there was the rumor was that the father did it.
00:49:55
Oh, fuck. And it was because they were like, he's got, you know, he owes money to the,
00:50:00
he owes money for gambling. He's this, he's that. And the father was on TV constantly.
00:50:05
If you remember anything from this case, you remember Mark Kloss being on TV and talking
00:50:10
about her. So I think a lot of people in my town, their reaction to that was like,
00:50:15
it seems like you're enjoying this publicity a little too much. Looking back, that poor guy.
00:50:21
Yes. What an awful thing to say. Yeah. Well, that's small town gossip. You know what I mean?
00:50:25
Where everyone's looking for the answer. And so it's easy to get a target on your back.
00:50:29
Sure. And also it just, it's one thing to be on the news crying and being like, I need my daughter back.
00:50:36
But I don't know. It was easy to kind of put that on him because I think he was a zealot.
00:50:44
But I mean, you know, that's, it's that thing of like, we don't know how people grieve.
00:50:48
And, and he could be the kind of person that's like, I just need to do something with myself.
00:50:52
Sure. Look at, um, uh, Nicole Simpson and, uh, Ron Goldman's dad. Yeah. You know, that went out of his mind.
00:51:01
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, who's to say how, how you would act or how it would be. Here's the good news, uh, if any, about any of that.
00:51:09
There's a, there's now they took the, um, there was this little church that in this weird part of the road where I go to go to my dad's house and they took that.
00:51:21
And that's now called the Polly Klaus Center for the Performing Arts because she was big into theater and she wanted to be an actress.
00:51:27
And that was why it meant so much that Winona Ryder came back and talked about her.
00:51:31
Yeah. It was all very sweet. so they've kind of dedicated that to like kids you know making sure kids
00:51:39
like I guess have a place to perform and I don't know it's for that part it's very sweet and positive
00:51:45
and the thing about they basically all the things that got fucked up in the beginning
00:51:51
through communication they actually did stuff about like the APB thing and the three strikes
00:51:57
law like a lot of good things came out of that but also um richard allen davis actually had to get put into solitary because he was getting beaten up
00:52:07
so much so god bless like that jailhouse justice like they couldn't they couldn't wait to beat this
00:52:15
man up for killing this girl i mean i want to say good but at the same time it's you can't
00:52:22
can't say that there's no yeah there's no conscience there's no good but uh they actually
00:52:29
and he's on death row he got the death sentence so he's still alive now he's still alive because
00:52:34
california doesn't ever really execute anybody so it's just it's people sitting on death row but
00:52:39
his lawyers actually tried to say um they try they they have tried to um get uh where's that
00:52:50
where's this part they basically tried to say that it's torturing him by making him wait to find out
00:52:56
when he's going to be executed. They tried to make that argument that it's like,
00:53:00
that it's, what do you call that? It's called inhumane, what's it called? I don't know.
00:53:07
Something like, it's something along those lines. Or it's just like, when I read the paragraph,
00:53:12
I was just like, you gotta be fucking cute. Who would actually have the balls to say that out loud?
00:53:16
God, sometimes I get really mad at lawyers. I don't want to start the whole like shit talking
00:53:22
that we do about cops sometimes because I know it's complicated and you promise to do these things and uphold the law.
00:53:29
But sometimes I'm just like, I just don't know how they live with themselves sometimes
00:53:33
when they're defending someone who's a monster. Exactly. And doing the best that they can to get them off.
00:53:42
I guess it's not, I guess you just want to get them a fair trial. Yeah, it must be hard.
00:53:47
I would never want to be a lawyer ever. Oh, cruel and unusual pun. There it is. Yeah, that's the one we were looking for.
00:53:54
Wow. Yeah That sad So that mine I actually had a lot of guilt for not doing this story earlier because it my real hometown murder because I knew it was really a part of my life
00:54:07
But then also it feels bad to talk about. I actually hesitated in saying her mom's name because I don't want it to seem like I'm trying
00:54:16
to anything. Well, Karen, you started crying and I don't think you've ever done that in any of them
00:54:20
before. I don't think I have either. So I feel like it's important and I don't think you should feel bad at all.
00:54:25
Okay. Also, there was this is there's another little girl that got killed in my town that no one talks about because she was black.
00:54:31
Her name's George, Georgia Moses. And that story is really sad and awful. I'll do it a different time.
00:54:38
But that actually gets brought up a lot in tandem with Polly Class because it's like Polly Class was a beautiful little girl.
00:54:45
Right. It's like the, you know, she was. No, she wasn't blonde, but she was. She was blonde.
00:54:50
But it's that thing of like, you know, the press loves like a beautiful little martyr like that.
00:54:59
And then when it's a story of a girl who grew up on the wrong side of the tracks and had all the worst in her life and then was just murdered, like just thrown away.
00:55:09
No one talks about it. Yeah. Except for Tom Waits, who lives in my town, who lives way out in the country, wrote a song for Georgia Moses.
00:55:18
I bet you can find his P.O. box pretty easily. Is that terrible? Not at all. Thank you.
00:55:26
Oh, George and Moses. I'm sorry. Yeah. But I'm all, yeah, that's fucking bummer.
00:55:32
I know. I know. How do you feel now? You know what? I'm glad. I'm glad I said it.
00:55:38
Do you feel cleansed a little? No. Okay. No. I just think it's like, you know what?
00:55:44
It's all around us. That's kind of the thing that I feel like keeps coming up on this.
00:55:48
podcast. It's like, this isn't special. No, I know. It happens. The people that it happens to
00:55:55
are, and it's a full on tragedy in ways that you can't even take in, but it, it happens constantly.
00:56:04
Yeah. It's like a, it's a very normal part of life, which I think once you, the reason we're
00:56:09
doing that is because like we're, we see that and we're freaked out by it and fascinated by it.
00:56:15
and like we could have a million episodes and not get to half the, the like everyday murders that just happen all the time that you haven't heard
00:56:24
about, or you haven't didn't know the details for real. It's just, yeah. Yeah. People get fucking murdered.
00:56:36
Okay. We're back. I mean, Oh, that like close call where he gets like, you know,
00:56:44
his car gets searched by the cops. There's just no way they could have known, but you want so bad
00:56:49
for her to have been discovered at that moment. It's just like such a fucking tragic detail.
00:56:53
So horrible. So horrible. Yeah. I mean, everything about this story is horrible,
00:56:58
obviously. There are a few updates on this case. In May of this year, Richard Allen Davis's
00:57:04
attorneys argued that his death sentence should be recalled because of recent changes to California
00:57:09
sentencing laws. A California judge rejected the resentencing bid, and Davis is still on death row.
00:57:17
And the Pauly Class Foundation, a national nonprofit focused on recovering missing children
00:57:22
and promoting child safety policies, has assisted, to this date, 10,000 families in locating their
00:57:29
missing children. That's incredible. If you want to donate to the Pauly Class Foundation or learn
00:57:36
more about them, please go to poly, the name poly, P-O-L-L-Y, K-L-A-A-S.org. Are you thinking what I'm thinking?
00:57:44
Make a little donation to Poly Class Foundation. That'd be amazing. I would love that.
00:57:49
10 grand to fucking polyclass.org, the Poly Class Foundation. Yeah, that'd be great.
00:57:53
Thank you. Oh, also, I talk about this. There was a kind of a parallel case that I brought up in this story, which is the murder
00:58:02
of Georgia Lee Moses, which is, I believe, still a cold case. And Georgia Lee Moses was a young
00:58:10
Black girl. I think she was 13 years old or 12 years old. And she was found, I mean, I've already
00:58:16
you've heard me say it if you just listen to that clip, but it didn't get really any coverage.
00:58:22
So should we also donate to the Black and Missing Foundation? Yes. Great idea. Beautiful.
00:58:27
Okay. Let's go. It's blackandmissinginc.com. So 10 grand to them immediately. Yeah. We had Derica and Natalie Wilson on the podcast. I mean, when was that? Was that like
00:58:38
two years ago? That was during the pandemic for sure. Oh my God. But they were amazing. We got to talk to them about this foundation,
00:58:46
about the work that they do. I believe there was a HBO docu-series about them. Definitely go watch
00:58:53
that. Incredible. All right, let's move on to more fucking horribleness, shall we? Okay, now it's time
00:58:59
for Georgia's story. And she tells the legendary story of the murder of Kitty Genovese.
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See full terms at mintmobile.com. What's your murder? So my murder, okay, like a month and a half or two months ago,
01:01:48
we got an email inviting us to the screening of a new documentary called The Witness.
01:01:55
And it's a documentary about Kitty Genovese. That's how you say it, right? Kitty Genovese.
01:02:05
And we couldn't go. And so the guy sent us a screener to watch. He did? Yeah. Ooh.
01:02:12
Didn't see that? There's like a password and shit. Oh, yeah. I'm an email skimmer.
01:02:18
Oh, okay. I'm constantly in trouble for it. That's hilarious. I like read into every single word on email.
01:02:23
I'm like, what did he mean by that? I just saw that invitation and I was like, it was a big long thing about being invited,
01:02:31
but there were no details where I was like, what time? Like where? Yeah. What? and then I just kind of gave up after that.
01:02:39
Yeah. I mean, and I was kind of like, okay, whatever about it. This was like a while ago
01:02:44
and finally I started watching it last night and it's really fucking good. Oh, awesome.
01:02:48
Yeah. The narrator, the guy who's kind of the, in the shit of it, he's like the dude who you follow
01:02:56
is Kitty Genovese's little brother. Wow. Yeah. In real life. Yes. Wow. So he, okay,
01:03:03
so let me tell you about the murder a little bit. Okay. Um, so Catherine Kitty Genovese was stabbed to death outside her apartment building in
01:03:15
Kew Gardens, Queens. Like, I feel like everyone knows the story. And that's why it was a little like, okay, like I've heard the story a million fucking
01:03:21
times. She's the girl that basically everyone is like, she was being stabbed. There were 38 witnesses from an apartment building across the street and no one did
01:03:30
anything. And it kind of started the whole, like the bystander effect, bystander effect.
01:03:36
where nobody, you know, the more people watching something, the less likely anyone's going to
01:03:41
intervene. And it had all these like these effects on New York and what's happening to the city and
01:03:47
people are horrible. And, you know, this kind of this kind of awful thing of of nobody helping.
01:03:54
Yeah. It's in like every psych 101. Totally. Yeah. So. Yeah. And so I don't want to spoil
01:04:00
the movie because I think everyone should go see it. But I'm going to talk about the murder so that
01:04:05
people remember what it is and also some of the interesting points from this movie without
01:04:09
spoiling it because I don't think I could do that. It's really fucking good. So on March 13th,
01:04:13
she finishes her shift at a sports bar. She's a bartender and she gets home and parks her car at
01:04:19
three in the morning at like a side parking lot, which sucks. And I feel like she immediately saw
01:04:24
her killer. Winston Mosley was like hanging out, clearly looking for a victim. So she gets home
01:04:33
at like 315. She parks. It's about 100 feet from her apartment door. Yeah. She's just walking
01:04:41
towards her building. He starts to approach her. She immediately starts running and like knowing
01:04:46
something's going on. He overtakes her and stabs her twice right there on the sidewalk,
01:04:51
right across the street from this huge apartment building. And so the story is that people came
01:04:57
out and looked and no one fucking did anything. But in reality, it's so much murkier than that.
01:05:06
What it sounds like is that most people thought it was a lover's quarrel. They look out the window,
01:05:10
but she yells, oh my God, he stabbed me, help me. But most people didn't hear her cry out in
01:05:16
the beginning. Most people thought it was a bar brawl or a lover's quarrel. And by the time a lot
01:05:23
of people looked out, he was running away. And so she walks around the corner stumbling to her
01:05:30
apartment. And so people see her go around the corner and that's all they saw. And in reality,
01:05:36
people did call the police. But back then you just called, you didn't call, there was no 911.
01:05:43
And this is part of the reason there is a 911 now is because they needed, you know,
01:05:50
you can't just call the police precinct and get people there. Okay. The earliest calls to the police are unclear and weren given a high priority by them And it looks like some of them might not have even been logged One witness said his father called the police
01:06:06
after the initial attack and reported that a woman was beat up, but got up and was staggering around.
01:06:12
So no one knew she was actually being stabbed. So he fucking runs away when someone yells out the window,
01:06:20
let that girl alone. This like, you hear him in the documentary and he's like this salty old man.
01:06:27
He's amazing. Let that girl alone. He runs away. She staggers off. He mostly leaves,
01:06:36
comes back when he realizes that no cops are coming and finds her again, which is the most fucking terrifying part
01:06:42
of this whole story. So you can't, if someone had come out to see how she was and there was a doorman
01:06:51
in the apartment building right across the street, If someone had come out, you know, maybe they could have helped her, brought her into their house.
01:07:00
Instead, she goes into the doorway of her apartment building, which has one, it's got one outside door and then a locked inside door and she's dying.
01:07:09
And so she can't get her keys or unlock that door. He fucking comes back and finds her in the stairwell.
01:07:15
Just like a fucking deer that had been, you know. And what? And stabs her more? Stabs her more.
01:07:23
they don't mention I haven't finished the documentary yet and they don't mention this
01:07:27
and maybe it's just because he can't fucking handle it which is fair but I read that he raped
01:07:32
her after he stabbed after he well she was dying he raped her I don't know if they're going to
01:07:39
mention in the documentary I'm sure they will because it's a huge part of it but I heard that
01:07:44
in the in the documentary it says that he attempted to so I wonder and the brother it's so interesting
01:07:49
because he's like, I've never been able to deal with, I haven't known the details of this until recently
01:07:53
because I just couldn't handle it. And it seems like it was a really tight-knit family.
01:07:57
Yeah, that's so understandable. I don't know how people deal with that when they find out the details of horrible things
01:08:03
that happened to their, like those next of kin. I mean, it's awful. I mean, they didn't, I guess the family
01:08:09
didn't even go to the trial because they just couldn't even handle it. I bet. You know, which is like,
01:08:15
what's great about this documentary it feels like this guy is kind of like, the more I know, the closer I'll be to her. And I need to
01:08:23
find out what happened and know the truth because this is the truth of that crime now is what
01:08:29
everyone wrote about it. And when people talk about it in sociology classes and shit, which
01:08:33
is turning out not to be true. So, you know, the New York Times article said that it was 38 people
01:08:40
witnessed it and didn't know. But so, but the upstairs neighbor looked out into the stairwell
01:08:47
sees her being stabbed, closes the door and calls his girlfriend who said, don't get involved.
01:08:53
But then later calls the police. So like, dude, you should feel like shit. Right?
01:08:58
Yeah. It's like, but also it's New York City. I know. Like it's that thing where,
01:09:03
yeah, you don't, what are you going to go out there and who knows what's actually happening?
01:09:07
Is it just the lover's quarrel? Do you really want to get involved? It's like, yeah. Not that I wouldn't get involved in the, not that the woman deserves it because it's a
01:09:15
ever squirrel but but it makes sense in that city setting yeah like anything can happen and you just
01:09:20
don't know yeah right you put your life at risk for a stranger who could turn around and be like
01:09:26
get the fuck totally you don't know well here's a really interesting one of the parts of the
01:09:30
documentary that i loved is he's interviewing the kid and the family never knew that their next door
01:09:38
neighbor who was um kitty's best like one of her good friends when the soon as she found out what
01:09:44
happened, put on her house coat, ran out and held Kitty until the ambulance came. And the brother
01:09:52
in the documentary was like, I wish my, why didn't my family know that? It would have meant so much
01:09:56
to us to know that her friend was there while she died. And so the son is being interviewed,
01:10:03
the friend's son, and is like, here's the thing about this neighborhood. A lot of people were
01:10:08
Holocaust survivors. And a lot of people in that building were Holocaust survivors. And you don't
01:10:13
you don't intervene. You don't stick your nose. You don't, you know, get involved in what might
01:10:19
happen within cops and police interrogations. You just fucking leave it alone, which is such a sad
01:10:25
thing that you would never think about. Right. You know? Well, those are people that are like,
01:10:28
I've had plenty of trouble. I'm not doing it anymore. Right. You mind your fucking business.
01:10:33
Yeah, it's gross, but it's hard to argue. So Mosley gets caught a couple days later when he's burglarizing a house.
01:10:47
He had no prior criminal record and he was married with three children. And he got up the night of out of bed where his wife was sleeping to go find a woman to kill.
01:10:56
What? Yeah. But he had actually killed two other women and he had never been caught.
01:11:00
and he did a bunch of burglars as well. Oh, so he is like a burgeoning serial killer.
01:11:06
Totally. Absolutely. Let's see. He confessed to 30 to 40 burglaries. A psychiatric examination suggested he was a necrophile.
01:11:18
Mm-hmm. Fuck. And then he said something. He said that his motive was simply he wanted to kill a woman.
01:11:29
That was his motive. yeah it's pretty sick um so i have to say i've seen the picture of that guy
01:11:35
he has very plucked eyebrows he looks a lot like prince and richard little had a baby
01:11:44
richard little i'm not richard little little richard where am i oh no uh no he that's exactly right he he looks like a drag queen
01:11:56
at the end of her shit. Totally. Like washed it off. all off is ready to just, you know, high cheekbones, high cheekbones, very plucked eyebrows
01:12:06
or something like a cat like face. Yes. Oh, we're picturing seeing that face standing above me,
01:12:14
stabbing me because what is the deal? What is the deal? So, all right, he confesses.
01:12:21
let's see he's a fucking necro so in the 70s okay so while in prison in the 70s he gets a bachelor of arts
01:12:33
in sociology which is insane oh good like you're not using that for good dude you're using that to understand how you can take advantage of people better
01:12:45
that is Ted Bundy action that's Ted Bundy was a psychology major Son of a bitch.
01:12:50
Yep. And they know. Oh, that's so amazing. And then during his, he was eligible for parole in 84, which is like, what the fuck?
01:12:57
And at his first parole hearing, he told the parole board that the notoriety he faced due
01:13:05
to his crimes made him a victim, stating- Yes, he's the victim for sure. For a victim outside, it's a one time or one hour or one minute affair.
01:13:13
But for the person who's caught, it's forever. Yeah. Much sadder. Yeah. Much sadder.
01:13:19
Oh, you get a minute of murder and I have to live the rest of my life in jail? Well, you know what?
01:13:23
How about you put your super sociological mind to that and say, then maybe don't stab people
01:13:29
and you won't be so deeply victimized by your fucking shitty behavior. Yeah, you're correct.
01:13:35
And that's why you don't fucking, that's not the only reason, but that's one of the reasons you don't murder.
01:13:39
Well, this is the Brock Turner thing of like this drunken girl is ruining my whole future.
01:13:46
And it's like, no rapists. You ruined your future. You did it, dummy. It's very psychopathic. It's like you skip over the
01:13:56
thing you did that made things happen. Have you known people like that where you're like,
01:14:00
how do you not see your role in this thing? Oh, yeah. I ask that because I'm sure you do.
01:14:05
I have stopped participating with people like that for that very reason. If you cannot admit
01:14:12
your own fault in your life, that the behavior that you bring to the table is the thing that
01:14:19
affects and creates the situation around you. If it's always other people, then you have a major
01:14:28
problem. It's so weird to see those people. And like, I mean, it almost feels like an argument
01:14:34
or the blame thing is like a game to win. Yes. And so as soon as they can get you to not blame
01:14:42
them and to take it all on you, which I've fucking done many times with people, they win.
01:14:47
You have to read the book, The Sociopath Next Door. Because I think the numbers are,
01:14:54
it's one in four of people are sociopaths and those people have no conscience. Everything is
01:15:02
a power game to them. All they want to do is beat you and they will beat you in terms of money,
01:15:09
in terms of sex, in terms of status. That's all they care about. And they don't have empathy. So
01:15:15
you're constantly left going, I would never do this. But it's like, yeah, that's right. Because
01:15:20
this person is nothing like you. Are you scared you're going to like, if you read that, you'll
01:15:25
just like look for that in everyone? I mean, I guess everyone- You should look for it in everyone. You should. Because then you know, when you're being mind
01:15:32
fucked, you'll go, oh my God, that's, oh, now I realize why I'm so, like, you need to know that
01:15:39
information. Yeah. Okay. You need to be able to spot a sociopath. I think that should be taught
01:15:43
in high schools. Can I put it in a comic book so Vince doesn't see me reading that and think I'm
01:15:48
like studying up on him? Vince is not a sociopath. I know he's not. Oh, you just don't want him to see
01:15:56
you paying attention to it? Yeah. Or like being like, why are you reading that? Say, I'm doing
01:16:01
it for you, baby. Yeah. This is for the marriage. Should I say I'm a sociopath? I think our cats
01:16:07
are sociopaths. One in four. I mean, if we had one more person in this room, it would be one of us.
01:16:14
I'm thinking it's so easy to like put some of that on people I know. Well, also because sometimes people just piss you off. So it's like calling someone a sociopath
01:16:26
is very satisfying. It's like, well, this makes sense. But I do know people who after being friends
01:16:32
with them for a while and then being like, I cannot be friends with you anymore. You are like,
01:16:38
you're basically a vampire. Then when you pull away and then you read this book, you go,
01:16:43
holy shit. I mean, there's like a step-by-step thing where it's like, is this a person who would
01:16:48
never cop to anything? Is this a person who only ever wanted to take more for themselves? It's like,
01:16:54
it's a very clear kind of defining thing fuck dude read it I think I over I over accept
01:17:02
responsibility for things because I don't I'm trying so hard not to not to let myself get away
01:17:08
with shit yes well part of it I do the exact same thing and for me part of it is an ego problem
01:17:14
because I think the world revolves around me 100 so I like the idea of people of like oh my god this
01:17:21
person is doing this and that. Like it, it adds to my ego mania of like, I'm everybody's thinking
01:17:27
of me all the time. There is a certain something about like, even being like, I feel so bad about
01:17:32
this thing that happened where it's like, nobody, why are you making it about you? Right. Not you
01:17:36
specifically, but like. It's better to let it go. Like the healthier thing is to be like,
01:17:41
maybe I had 50 of that Maybe I had 0 of that Like but look at it learn from it move on and let it go But to sit around and be like oh i was so bad that time it like yeah yeah you just think thinking of yourself and not
01:17:54
thinking of other people yeah i'm a sociopath are you i'm in video right now one in three one in
01:18:01
three including elvis it's me but what if it's me now it's not me well do you have a conscience
01:18:06
yeah then you're fine i mean what's a can you know what's a conscience no i didn't hold you
01:18:12
guilt i mean yeah we got that covered yeah steven guilty do you feel it i feel guilty all the time
01:18:21
we're all good we just need the next person who walks to the store which will probably be then
01:18:25
it's the sociopath let's play a game your neighbor knocks on the door excuse me my mom just drops in and i'm like yeah no shit hi
01:18:33
hi welcome hi my therapist was right about you did you answer some questions for me as i
01:18:39
Let me just pull this book out of my back pocket. Oh, mom. Okay. What did I want to...
01:18:46
What was my... Let's see here. Holocaust survivors. Yeah. None of the witnesses observed the attacks in their entirety because of the layout of
01:18:54
the complex was weird. And it seems like she was attacked in two different places.
01:18:58
Yeah. And as far as they knew, he ran away and she walked away and they couldn't see her anymore.
01:19:04
And she was staggering. I mean, how do you... She only got stabbed twice. so how do you know you couldn't even see that she was stabbed by the time you run to the window
01:19:11
see i remember that story from psychology class that she got stabbed like 35 times she got stabbed
01:19:17
a lot more once he came back oh okay so that was oh i see the initial attack miss a bowl part was
01:19:23
two stabs right the initial like when everyone saw it was two and then he had a private mom you
01:19:30
know private doorway in the doorway so no one actually saw that so terrible that's so nightmarish
01:19:35
there's a um crime to remember about kitty kitty genovese yeah and i just was like okay
01:19:41
i didn't even watch it you didn't know i'm sure i watched it because i watched every episode of
01:19:46
that show there it's um there's also a girls episode where they like talk about it oh really
01:19:52
like one of the guys is in a play where they reenact the whole thing but of course there's
01:19:57
a lot of girls drama going on so they don't really talk about it but i love that show i'm
01:20:02
not making fun of it. Let's see. So it became known as the bystander effect or the Genevieve
01:20:08
syndrome. But people are now questioning what really fucking happened. So, okay. So everyone
01:20:16
go to YouTube and you can watch the trailer. It's called The Witness. And if you go to
01:20:23
thewitness-film.com, it's in the theaters right now. If you have an art house theater in your
01:20:28
town and it's it's going to be in a lot of small towns so it's not like random and then hopefully
01:20:33
it'll be on hulu or something at some point um yeah and then it's unlikely that she was able to
01:20:43
scream at any point after she got stabbed the first time anyways because they stabbed her
01:20:48
because they stabbed her in the lungs oh yeah that's right yeah they punctured her he punctured
01:20:54
they he punctured her lung so after that second stabbing she probably wasn't screaming anyways
01:21:01
so it's not like a bunch of people ignored that as well this whole murder is like worst case scenario
01:21:08
fucking fucking worst like she would have died from the initial attack it sounds like because
01:21:13
he punctured a lung and she died from asphyxiation but and so if the cops had been called and at that
01:21:21
point they took her to the hospital and she died it it wouldn't have been the same thing as if he
01:21:26
fucking ran away and came back and was like nobody cares yeah i can continue this yeah
01:21:33
that's so awful to think about yeah it's dark yeah um but the universal emergency phone number
01:21:43
was created after this. And yeah, today it's used all the time. But so yeah, The Witness is the movie.
01:21:53
It's by James Solomon. And it's a really fat, like just watch that. I feel like anyone who listens to this podcast
01:22:00
will watch this trailer and definitely want to see it. Yeah. It's really good. And it's such a classic case.
01:22:05
I feel like even if you were, you've never been interested in true crime, you've heard the Kitty Genovese story.
01:22:11
Yeah. it's like prerequisite in college and stuff but I guess it's an interesting
01:22:16
thing to be like yeah you know this thing that you've heard about your whole life it's not the way you heard it
01:22:20
that's what I love about it so I hope it's not boring that I did this case but I
01:22:24
just thought it was the stuff that you never knew about it and I really was it's one of those cases where I was like I've heard that
01:22:30
a million times I know about it and you fucking totally don't and then to see it from the brother's point
01:22:34
of view who also is like kind of a badass dude himself Yeah. It happened in the Bronx in Queens.
01:22:44
Queens. Yeah. People from Queens are kind of the greatest. Oh yeah. The voice, you listen to it just for the interviews he does with the people who live around
01:22:52
there. They're incredible. The accents are incredible. There's a lot of, there's like a beautiful, um,
01:22:57
illustrated element of it that they use as like interstitials or to, um, to show what was actually going on with this gorgeous illustration.
01:23:05
Wow. Yeah. Very simple line drawings, but it's super beautiful. I haven't seen this movie
01:23:11
but I also recommend the Crime to Remember episode about her Kitty Jadavis because they
01:23:16
put out some other alternate theories that are very interesting wasn't one like the downstairs neighbor
01:23:21
might have done it yeah they don't they didn't seem convinced he did it but I did
01:23:27
none of that information that he'd already killed two other women was in there they focused a lot
01:23:32
on how racist the NYPD was back then and so that they basically would grab up black people Black men Yeah and just be like were you in the neighborhood It you It sounds like way different than it is today
01:23:44
Oh, so, so different. I would just like to say, cause I saw a documentary. Is yours done?
01:23:52
Sure. Yeah, no, totally. Oh, okay. No, it totally is. Yeah. Well, I just saw this. I'm going to bring yours to an end so I can recommend my documentary that
01:24:00
isn't true crime, but well, it is because it's crime. It's called Tickled and it is
01:24:07
unbelievably amazing because it starts out there about this online tickling competition,
01:24:17
tickling league, professional tickling league, I think it's called. I already need a fucking shower. Yes. Except for it's not what you think. It's not some weird,
01:24:27
like, can you believe these people exist? It goes into the craziest, darkest, scariest fucking
01:24:33
thing. And it's this one New Zealand reporter who went, who went looking into it because he's
01:24:40
basically a human interest reporter for the local news. And he immediately started getting threatened.
01:24:46
And so instead of being like, whoops, better close this up, he starts investigating. And it's
01:24:51
amazing. And interestingly enough, and not to talk about them all the time, but our friends,
01:24:56
the dollop who did a very, very popular episode about these tickling competitions very early on.
01:25:05
Like this guy did, this New Zealand reporter did the story. They, Dave and Gareth got sent the story,
01:25:11
I think by people in Australia or New Zealand saying, you guys have to talk about this. It's
01:25:15
crazy. And so then they did that episode of the dollop was super popular and it's actually featured
01:25:23
in the documentary. Shut up. Yes. They have audio clips of the dollop talking about this.
01:25:28
He's made it. And it's the very beginning of the movie. And then it goes into like,
01:25:33
he's like, he basically is like, yeah, I thought this was this kooky, crazy thing.
01:25:37
And then I started researching it. And it is edge of your seat. It was one of those things
01:25:42
we saw at the Sunset Sundance, whatever theater. And there was only like 10, 15 people in the theater.
01:25:49
And a bunch of us were all sitting in one row, which was kind of funny, like basically there was like nine people in one row and then like four people outside of our row
01:25:57
yeah but by the end we were all talking to each other it was one of those like so upsetting and
01:26:02
like oh my god what's happening what channel is it on i want to watch it uh no it's a movie
01:26:06
it's a documentary movie that's in like art house theaters right now like the witnesses man we got
01:26:12
to have a double feature yes i wonder if we could host a double feature we should email this guy
01:26:16
I feel like we want to do this. Another. Everything that comes up. You got an idea.
01:26:22
Man. I love it. What is that? It's the best. It's you're, you're the reason, you're the reason it's all happening.
01:26:30
I always think of myself as such a lazy person. And I'm like constantly berating myself for being lazy.
01:26:35
And then like, sometimes I'll have to write a list of things I'm doing to just be like,
01:26:39
just look at this Georgia. Everything is okay. Yeah. No, you're doing a lot of stuff.
01:26:42
I liked when we were watching The Simpsons and we were on the same episode. And then you were like, we've got to watch episode five together and live tweet it.
01:26:53
And I was like, you might want to watch the other episodes before you decide we should live tweet this.
01:26:59
It's kind of a bummer. I know. I was like, what if we do this? What if we do that?
01:27:02
We can do this. We can do that. And like sometimes like when you just got here, you were like, you kind of had a talk.
01:27:07
Like we had a conversation about something regarding the podcast and you kind of had to like talk me down from it.
01:27:12
Yeah. I couldn't breathe. I get it though. Yeah. You get, I can tell when you're excited or like
01:27:17
there's a lot going on because you're, it, it almost looks like you're slowly drowning and
01:27:23
you're trying to tell me something before you go under. It's kind of what it's like.
01:27:26
Take a deep breath. It's happened my entire life. Yeah. Like I have to yawn. I yawn a lot because I
01:27:31
have to catch my breath. And so I get so worked up. That's funny that you've noticed it.
01:27:35
You have to think about breathing more. Yeah. Because that's what yawning is about.
01:27:39
Yawning is about low oxygen levels. And you have to like, your body goes, take this, take as much oxygen in as you can.
01:27:46
It's so like, I've gotten up in the middle of the night and like wrote a blog post about
01:27:49
how it like, it's, you really feel like you're drowning and you can't breathe. Yeah.
01:27:54
And it's just anxiety. And then that perpetuates itself and you just still can't breathe.
01:27:59
And anyways. Yeah. So a lot of great ideas, guys. A lot of great. Oh, there was someone that made my favorite piece of art that got made on the that got posted on the Facebook page last week is someone did a freehand drawing that was a picture of the forest that said, get a job, make it buy your own shit, stay out of the forest.
01:28:22
But but with these banners or did you see that? Yeah, it's so beautifully done. And it was someone who said their friend did it, but they're not.
01:28:30
They don't want to be on the right. Come on. Bless their souls. I got an email from a girl that I know today who was like,
01:28:38
I just started a new job and I overheard my coworkers saying, oh my God, I'm obsessed with this new podcast.
01:28:42
And they were like, me too. And they were like, what's it called? My favorite murder.
01:28:46
And my friend Kelsey was like, I was trying, I wanted to tell them so bad and brag that I knew you.
01:28:51
But it's a new job. And I was like, tell them, look at her race. She's like, I'm going to hold it for four more days.
01:28:56
Yeah. And then drop the bomb. And be like, guess what? Yes. I love it. It makes me happy that a lot of people say they feel like we're best friends.
01:29:04
totally not with each other best there it is and that's it we're done stay sexy no are we
01:29:16
yes okay go do it again stay sexy don't get murdered I just want a cookie want a cookie That a yes Bye
01:29:33
Okay, we're back. Are there case updates on a story this old? Yes, actually. Well, first of all, I love the detail.
01:29:42
And I think these are the things we look for now in stories that this case created the universal emergency phone number 911, which is like just fascinating to me.
01:29:52
You know, okay, this is early on, episode 24. I did not mention when my story took place. When.
01:30:01
That little detail. It's a journalist would have caught that, you know, the who, where, when, what, how, you know.
01:30:09
You know what? Smarter people than me have covered this and you should go read and listen to their
01:30:13
shit. I am covering their coverage. And I forgot to mention that this took place in 1964.
01:30:18
I was sitting across from you and I didn't ask. It's so ridiculous. And also the man who killed Kitty Genovese, Winston Mosley, died in a New York prison in 2016. So fucking recently. He served almost 52 years and was one of the state's longest serving inmates. And it's so terrifying when I was telling the story that he was trying to get parole and you're just like, absolutely fucking not, you know?
01:30:42
All right. Well, that was it. That was the boiled down version of this episode. So now we'll talk about what we could have entitled it instead of 20 justice for all.
01:30:55
And the number the word for is F-O-U-R. You know, it's not visual. Yes. This is an auditory situation that we were doing written jokes like page jokes for. Lots of mistakes.
01:31:08
we were we were very tired and working very hard and very surprised that anyone was listening to
01:31:14
this fucking podcast we meant very well we did we still do and we still do and also that's the
01:31:21
thing we'll say it again and again we're just people doing a podcast that's all yeah that's all
01:31:27
yeah that's it all right so let's see we could call it obstetric we could call this episode
01:31:33
obstetrician of t-shirts because I don't even fucking know. That was you. Yeah, merch. That's
01:31:41
me saying that that's what you are by being the merch girl. We could also call it plans and schemes,
01:31:47
which was all the ideas we had about doing unboxings. I like that. Plans and schemes.
01:31:52
It's so funny, like way back then, we were like, maybe we'll do video. And it's like,
01:31:55
now we have to do video. It's like, it's like required in today's world, today's modern world.
01:32:02
Gotta compete. Gotta get out there. Gotta do podcasts on video. We're on YouTube and TikTok and fucking Instagram and fucking all the shit.
01:32:11
It's fun to be middle-aged on fucking all those websites. Yeah. And when this episode recorded, I was 36 and I was like, not yet video.
01:32:21
No, let me be 40 fucking four before I have to be on video. Let's wait a minute.
01:32:27
I want to dig my 11 lines down a little deeper. I want to have way more stress and then see what that does to my old face.
01:32:35
You know, I want to wait until this filler migrates before I get fucking lit from below and fucking on camera. Let's just wait until it's in the wrong places.
01:32:45
We should have actually done flashlights under our chins for the Halloween episode now that I think about it, now that you say that.
01:32:52
It all feels like flashlights under the chin when you're on video. It's tough. But also what we have to remember is no one gives a shit anymore.
01:33:00
No one gives a shit. No one gives a single shit. No. And I'm learning contouring finally. So I'm going to be fine.
01:33:06
Can't wait until I'm sitting across from Kim Kardashian. What a joy. Okay. Thanks everybody for listening back then. Now. Were you there? Are you here now? Oh my God.
01:33:17
That's so nice of you. Thank you. You must be so patient. Stay sexy. And don't get murdered.
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