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Hello and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia. This is our new Wednesday episode where we recap our old shows with new commentary, updates, and insights.
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You are welcome. Okay, so today we're recapping episode 28, which we named I 28 His Liver with some fava beans and a nice candy.
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Come on. That has stood the test of time. I agree. I love that one. So join us as we take you back to August 4th, 2016, because now we can all be day one listeners.
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Huzzah. Let's listen to the intro of episode 28. Karen, hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. You pointed at me to talk first tonight. I wanted you to do the, I did it last time trying
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to make a start. Oh, hey, this, oh fuck, I got to turn my phone off. Sorry. Oh, hey, this is,
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hello. Who's this? Show business? It's a telemarketer. Do you mind if I take this?
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Can I talk about some products with this person? Yeah. I give them all my social security number
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and everything over the podcast. Just record it all. Welcome to My Favorite Murder. This is
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basically what the podcast is yes it's going to be this um for another two and three quarters hours
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yep enjoy yeah there you go or goodbye forever can i start out real quick just by plugging just
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for the skippers who skip to the stories don't miss this don't miss this we have new motherfucking
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shirts yes and they're good they're good right i'm i'm really yeah there's something well to me
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there when you sent me that picture there's something very visceral about the original
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logo as a shirt like it makes me feel official it's so official and I can't wait to see someone
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I'm still waiting to run into someone in the wild like someone I don't know wearing one of our old
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shirts well that just happened to me shut up walking into your apartment and Stephen has our
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shirt on yeah yeah I was dressed appropriately he was we appreciate it we don't let anyone in our
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house unless they're wearing mine or Vince's podcast shirt that's smart as a couple that's
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good decision. We're real dicks. Is it obnoxious to wear your own podcast sweatshirt? T-shirt,
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yes. Hoodie, no. No? It's like when you're working on a movie and you get the show,
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the movie logo hat. That's right. And once it wraps, you can wear it. Should we also get director's chairs? Do you think? Definitely.
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Should we get baseball jackets? Baseball jackets, directors. You can get, I was looking to try to get mugs and stuff. We can get serving trays.
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with the logo on it. Oh, good. You can get so much weird shit. You know, Dave, Anthony from The Dollop
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says that the thing they sell the most are posters. Yeah. Posters. Gotta do that.
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Yeah. Posters and we can do shot glasses too, which I feel like, I mean, there's gotta be
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a lot of college kids listening, right? I would hope. What are they doing with their time?
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I mean, studying? Please. Look at us. We didn't go to college. I mean, we didn't graduate
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and look at us now. I mean, I tried, but it sucked. I gave it a shot. It was weird
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and uncomfortable. Oh, I hated it. I really didn't like it. It was triggering for me because I hated high school so much that it just felt like high school.
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Mine felt like the opposite of high school because I went to a tiny high school and then I tried to go to Sac State, which was like going to.
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Oh, my gosh. Huge. A whole other city as a school. And I just felt lost and empty and alone.
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Yeah. Community college felt like. Oh, God, it felt like I was going backwards in time because my school was kind of nice.
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And then suddenly it was like, like this terrible, like old school that was sad.
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Did it have those desks where the chair and the desk are connected? I can't. There's something so depressing about those desks.
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Because you can't move in or out and your butt hurts and it's just. And it's like you're, it's like a little clamp on you.
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Yeah. It's a school clamp. It's a little prison cell. So look at us now. Yeah. Look at us free, sticking our legs wherever we want.
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I know. Sideways. anywhere in our director's chairs quit school everybody that's the one message we have for
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the children this week please quit school did you know burke ramsey is going to be on dr phil in september i know and i been waiting to freak out with me for you yeah because i been seeing that I like whatever whatever Even Vince was like did you see that And I like yeah
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whatever. But I've been waiting to talk to you about it. I love that the day it was announced,
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I think I must have had six or seven people tweet at me and are the my favorite murder Twitter.
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We had like 25 people Instagram to like people. We have an Instagram account and people will be
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like commenting on a shirt post like did you see this so here's what i think is gonna happen one of
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two things either it's gonna be the most boring basic thing he thinks an intruder did it or he's
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totally gonna just go ballistic and say it was his mom i guess i'm guessing it's not the latter
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but how cool would that be it'd be amazing i did see one picture in one of the articles that got
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sent and they're walking in an orchard the walk and talk probably a bad sign yeah because that
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means they're two besties no they always do the walk and talk though oh yeah the walk and talk
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whenever there's like an interview they that's just a thing okay a walk and talk okay but you
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think an orchard is a bad sign i mean it just looked too peaceful yeah chummy to me you're not
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gonna be like and then she hit her over the head in an orchard you're not gonna say that in an
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orchard yeah i don't who knows but here's what i will say and i'm not gonna name any names i've
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got an inside source um i'm gonna find out from my inside source if it's already been taped if it's
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a taping live in a studio like if if the clips we've already seen are just a pre-tape that they're
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right they're letting out footage of or whatever because what if we went to the live taping of that
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no stop it oh my god i didn't even think that's what you meant wait what would you want to do that
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i'm gonna find out from my inside source i didn't even know that's what you meant i thought you
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we're gonna like find out what he was saying but that's i would no no don't you want to be there
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because here's the thing i do trust in dr phil um is i just got the picture in my head
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did you ever see the dr phil that was on the mup the sesame street where they did a dr phil and
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the muppet looked exactly like him no i love it that that just flashed in my head and i kind of
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went away for a second sorry um i do trust that dr phil doesn't give a fuck so he will like
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confront like a lunatic yeah like it's not like i'm going back on what i just said about the chummy
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right this because now that i think about it dr phil just all be like why why do you still live
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with your boyfriend who's a pedophile or what you know what i mean he doesn't care burke ramsey
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lives with a boyfriend no no no um so yeah he definitely asks the hard questions and kind of
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fucking needles them until they like they get nervous and then the real shit comes out so i
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think he's better than like a barbara walters because she's super soft for sure on people um
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i agree i can't wait i'm totally gonna watch it but i'm like everything in life keeping my
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expectations low. If we somehow get tickets to be in the studio audience, I will lose.
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Should we wear matching outfits? And should they be our t-shirts? Yes. Yes. Yes. A thousand times. Yes. Please. Should we dress like super weird,
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not twin sisters and freak people out? Get our haircut. Yes. Everything. Should I get a tiny bob? That was my 90s hair forever.
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I want to say we should dress like pageant girls, but that seems in bad taste to say right now.
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It does seem like that. So I'm not saying it. It's fucking huge. The huge Tierra trophy.
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They would kick us out. We would get arrested for bad taste. That's like an intense drag queen move is to dress up as JonBenet Manzi.
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Totally. Then here's part two, which a lot of people know because a lot of people also tweeted this information.
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Okay. Is that Ingmar Gwadnick, who is the guy that was accused of murdering Chandra Lee, is going to get released from prison after six years because the prosecutors are dropping all charges because based on recent unforeseen developments that were investigated over the past week.
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What? i am i'm never speechless but i'm speechless about this that's insane because the whatever
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they found yeah whatever this investigation is the idea that it got to the point where it gets
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him out of jail entirely totally that has to be something incredibly definitive but didn't he also
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kill to what isn't he suspected of or did kill uh yeah rock and roll didn't isn't he a suspected
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of or killed two other people he did now look i'm not celebrating his release because he did
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attack women in that park that's the reason he was arrested but he attacked women with the intent
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i believe to rape them if he did if not raping them but there i think so basically he was the
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perfect person to arrest for her murder it's just that moral dilemma of like is setting him
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free just going to fuck up the world even more i mean he's i know you can't hold someone for
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something they weren't charged for but i hate it and i want to know what the i want to know what
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the evidence is so i can know if i agree or not but they're not telling us you're right it's not
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exciting he's getting out of jail because obviously he can't handle himself around women parks or
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screwdrivers sexual predator yeah he's no good and i'm sure jail helped him with that
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Right, as it tends to do. But what I'm just stoked that they found something. They were still looking Yeah And they found something so definitive That means we going to find out about it within the next month It can just be a witness because it been what 10 years and eyewitness testimony sucks
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It can't be. Witnesses don't get people out of jail, I don't think. It can't just also it can't just be DNA because finding a hair on the body doesn't mean anything, you know, unless it's can be linked.
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What did they find? What did they find? What did they find? What? because she wasn't she isn't wasn't she skeletal remains when they found her i can't remember
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people talk to me about these cases that we talk about on here and i have almost no memory of
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talking about them i know i have to re-listen to episodes i've gone like i should do this murder
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and then like did i do this i thought of that so many times there was one that i wanted to ask you
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if i've done because i totally forgot and they mean the world to us listeners uh what a wonderful
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important things we love it i mean i forget my own name i almost did one of yours
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i was looking up today and i was like i can't find which one um it was a maybe your first no not your first because your first was martha moxley right
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no my first was john benet oh okay it was an early one that was a little more obscure
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and right i saw it and i went that's so good and i'm like the reason you think that is because
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what if you just did it and then did it better and then said up your game girl yeah that's right
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together it's a contest within a um i started listening like i want to say just for research
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purposes and just for like quality control but started i listened at episode one from the
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beginning but it's really just because i'm fucking full of myself and wanted to hear how funny we are
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and i was laughing out i was here this is like describes me in a nutshell i was shopping for
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vintage clothing listening to my own podcast and laughing out loud do you think you were laughing
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really loud and didn't know it because you had earbuds in I was no because I'm really aware that
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but I was I was laughing out loud accidentally like I couldn't help but what is oh god I'm such
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a dick but it's no I think it's very brave of you to admit this I re-listened to episodes a lot
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because it's a really it's fun to do it's i don't know it's fun to do it is it is and it's like oh
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shit i think you and i text each other on a regular basis oh that's good that was actually
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good sometimes we leave this apartment i'm like we shouldn't we shouldn't do this yeah
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wait what wait sorry what um any more housekeeping that is it for me it's funny that we're talking about john bonnet ramsey again did you watch the recent documentary
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on netflix it's timeless i haven't because there's so many other like true crime documentaries out
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right now i feel like my list has gotten insanely long yeah this is the cold case who killed john
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bonnet ramsey of course by joe berlinger who's this like incredible documentary filmmaker yes
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The thing that didn't give me any new insights, except for I really don't think the family was involved.
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I really do at this point, and I feel bad that I ever did. I think it was an intruder.
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I feel bad about all of it. Yeah. This is a story that is so—I was talking to somebody this morning where I was just like, the idea that there are so many risky people in this child's life.
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Yeah. And the fact that there are so many potential people is so horrible. Just so horrible.
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And they, you know, like child pageants, we don't even have to get into it. Yeah.
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God. But you're going to feel bad for especially Patsy Ramsey when you watch this.
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It's like it's fucked up. It's just so fucked up. And I do think that the Boulder police have a lot to fucking answer to based on this documentary.
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Yeah. And also it's just very strange. It's like a cold case. It feels like there should be a way to get in there and do something about how this cold case that just everybody wants answers to.
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Well, there is. And it's DNA. And again, the Boulder Police Department has some shit to fucking answer for.
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Really? Yeah. No, I have to move this one up to the top of my list, you're saying?
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It's only three episodes. Okay. It's good. And it's fucked up. Burke isn't in it because he has not publicly spoken since this interview with Dr. Phil, which you can totally understand why he wouldn't want to.
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But another one of John Ramsey's sons is in it. Looking back on this rewind, it's a really good like I think people over the years of being a true crime fan and a listener of it.
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I really the thing that stands out the most to me is media literacy and how it used to just be we kind of accepted whole cloth.
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anything we were shown of like, well, then that's what it is. Well, then that's what it is.
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Yes, it must be true if it's being printed or it's being said by news people. Yeah, it's on a major network. And as people get smarter, which I do believe they are,
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and it's like all the internet, you know, the things that advance our kind of awareness and
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literacy. It's just like to believe that we know anything simply because one group of people put
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Something together and tried to convince us for ratings. Yeah. It is a thing that I'm glad is changing.
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Yeah. You got to check your sources, even if the source is like, you know, a major fucking news outlet.
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Because like, where did they get that information from? And especially these days, like, you know, I don't know.
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Trust no man. Trust no sources. Right. Exactly. And then we also talk about the Chandra Levy case and the fact that her, which you covered before in an earlier episode,
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and that her alleged killer has been released from jail based on new evidence. Oh, you covered it in episode 16 of MFM and Rewind.
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So listen to that if you want to. Yeah. And we also talked about listening to our own show.
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First of all we called them old episodes and we on episode 28 So we just like hey did you like that idea of listening to what we were doing to get a sense of like what are we doing Yeah Yeah I feel fine about the fact that
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I listened to it. I haven't done it in a while. There were times where like every
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couple of weeks I would listen to the beginning just to be like fact check, like make sure that are we are we doing the right thing? You know, right. Listen to my story. If it
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was a story that was really like one of them that I was nervous about getting right. I'd listen and
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just like reassure myself that it sounded not stupid. But more and more, I'm not able to listen to my own fucking voice anymore.
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Oh, no. Like when I walk by and there's like an engineer trying to edit what we just did, I like run
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away when I can hear my voice. It's for others. It's not for me. It's kind of like when we stopped looking at our own Facebook page, where it's just like,
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oh, this isn't, we're not supposed to be on this end of the process. We did the other part.
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Yeah. Put the mirror away. Yeah. Move on with your life. Yeah. Do your best. Please, please move on with your life.
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Okay, so now we're going to get into Georgia's story. This is The Durham Family Murders.
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goodbye goodbye are you first this week you first are you first uh i think yeah you did um what's
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your face last week and i think you went first i also don't care who goes first i honestly at
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this moment i have absolutely no idea what happened last week okay you did um little baby
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karen didn't you mary bell yeah that last week i don't know i honestly don't know what's that no
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last week was hometown murder fuck oh my god what is wrong with us is there a gas leak in my
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apartment we can't be that stuck up if we can't remember exactly i don't think it's us being
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stuck up i think it's we have terrible memories yeah i think there's a gas leak in my apartment
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probably i definitely have a terrible memory anyway so do you want me to go first you want
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to go first um you go first okay i'm excited about this one because it's fucked up and i also
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really like finding ones that you don't know and i didn't know i found one that i didn't know
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purposely where'd you find it reddit um i might have found like a link on the facebook page
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as you do and then just went crazy okay because someone posted a link that has all these reddit
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links on it or that it there is a post with a bunch of reddit links that i was looking through
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today and loved it it was so great well i did what i always do and i go into the hometown i go into
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our email and look up and like type to find if anyone has ever emailed us about it just so i can
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add that information in and no one has ever emailed us about this oh that's smart who knows where i
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found it uh okay this is the durham family murders durham family durham okay all right i'm gonna start
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with the murders so on february 3rd 1972 is a stormy snowy night in boone north carolina
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and the bodies of bryce durham 51 his wife virginia 44 and their son bobby joe who was 18
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were found crowded side by side, leaning across and into a filled bathtub with their heads under the water submerged.
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There's a fucking photo. No. The autopsy established that though rope burns were evident on the necks of all three of the family members,
00:23:56
the father and son were alive when their heads were forced to be. underwater. Wow, this really just kicked it off, didn't it? I don't know why I started with the
00:24:04
fucked up part, but here we go. Well, no, no. I mean, look, you got to hook him in. Because the
00:24:08
rest of the story I find amazing, and you'll see why. Yeah, yeah. So Virginia had been strangled
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to death before being plunged headfirst into the tub, but for some reason they still put her in
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there, or whoever it was. The bodies of Bryce and Virginia also exhibited blunt force trauma. Bryce
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had a skull fracture, and Virginia's nose had been bloodied before her death, and none of the corpses
00:24:28
bore defensive wounds. So then I wrote, whodunit. Okay, Angela Lansbury. Just typing away in your typewriter.
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Whodunit. Who could it be? So Bryce, the father, owned a local successful car dealership
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and Bobby Jo was a college student nearby. The Durhams, all three of them, came home together from the car dealership
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and it was a crazy stormy night it was super snowy it was like getting worse and worse
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and a neighbor noted saw that they came home around 9 p.m so cut to 10 p.m i wrote
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in case i forget yeah allegedly the son okay so there's another kid there's a daughter
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jenny durham hall she was 19 and she lived with her husband troy hall a little ways away in a
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trailer. So allegedly the son-in-law, Troy, arrived home at the trailer where he met Ginny
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and he claimed he spent the entire day at the library from like 5 p.m. till he got home.
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He says he came home to watch the Winter Olympics and they turned the TV on at 10 o'clock and then
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the TV was on the fritz. So they put on music instead, they say. Then around 10, 15, he answers
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a call at their home. He says that the call was from Virginia, his mother-in-law, and that she
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was whispering that three men were assaulting the family. And then the line abruptly went dead.
00:26:11
He claimed he tried to call back the home, but it was busy. So he asked his wife,
00:26:17
Would your mom play a trick on us? And they kind of thought it was a prank, which is a real fucking funny prank.
00:26:24
So worried, they decided to check in on the family. Didn't call the cops. Their car wouldn't start, even though he had only been in it like 15 to 20 minutes before.
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And they asked the neighbor Cecil Smart to drive them. Cecil Small is what I meant.
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Cecil Small. Small, who's now deceased, was a private investigator. And he drove the couple out to the house.
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Side note, Cecil was also supposedly at the scene of the Kennedy assassination. What?
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According to him, he was passing by the end of the motorcade and he saw a Hispanic man in the crowd with a poorly concealed scoped rifle.
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He was driven off course by the motorcade and came to an unfamiliar area. So he pulled over in front of the school book depository to ask for directions.
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And a passerby was heading in the very same direction that he intended to travel.
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Huh. And thus offered the calm, neatly dressed stranger arrived. And this man, Cecil avowed to his dying day, was Lee Harvey Oswald.
00:27:31
Cecil's a liar. Cecil's a liar. So you're telling me, Cecil, small, that you not only saw the shooter of President Kennedy,
00:27:42
a different person, but then you also met Lee Harvey Oswald. But you can also prove that Lee Harvey Oswald didn't do it.
00:27:48
Didn't do it. Yeah. And now that I'm thinking about it. And you're blaming a Hispanic man.
00:27:53
Okay. I just put this together and I wasn't going to add this in because I think it's in poor
00:27:57
taste. But Troy says that Virginia says that three. Black men. Black men. Yes. I mean, I'm sorry, but there's a certain from like 1969 and before.
00:28:06
Were attacking her. That's all anyone ever said. Yeah. I think from the 80s. Yeah.
00:28:18
It's now you blame it on. People do that all the time. Yeah. So I'm kind of putting those things together now.
00:28:24
So they get to the home almost an hour after the panicked call, but they couldn't get up
00:28:29
the hill to the home because of the snow. So they left Ginny in the car and they said, stay here.
00:28:36
We're going to run up there. And supposedly they thought three men were in the house, maybe not anymore, attacking
00:28:41
and they left her in the car at the bottom of the hill. That makes no sense. No.
00:28:44
Right? No. Also, I don't like three men. That's rare that that's the actual situation.
00:28:51
Right. But how would three people, two of him were like able-bodied men able to be overpowered
00:28:59
without any defensive ones? True, true. It couldn't have been one person. True, true.
00:29:02
Unless, you know, some people just comply when there's a gun in their face. Yes, a lot of people do.
00:29:08
Yeah. I mean, it's the smart thing to do. Right. All right. So they get up the hill.
00:29:13
they get to the house they entered the home through a broken garage door where they found
00:29:17
the place ransacked and the water was still running in the tub that was full of the family
00:29:22
they got they they skedaddled i said which i spelled right which is weird and jumped into
00:29:29
the car intending to drive off still not having called the police the car was stuck so they made
00:29:34
it to a neighbor's and they finally called the police so police suggested the ransacked house
00:29:39
seem like a stage robbery which i'm wondering like you hear that all the time are they i want
00:29:43
to know if they're ever wrong about that about it really was ransacked yeah insincerity i feel like
00:29:50
there can be that much that huge of a difference between a ransacked because it being burglarized i think when people burglar this is just me talking off the top of my head Yeah I want to know your opinion Okay First of all I want to officially change my old opinion too
00:30:06
I don't know why I said 1969 and below when racism is such a humongous problem in this country.
00:30:11
It came. I don't know. But I'll go ahead to again freely give my opinion. When people burglarize a house,
00:30:20
they're looking for valuables and they know where people hide valuables. Right. good, good burglars want to get in and get out. They don't want to wreck people's houses. They
00:30:29
don't go through every single drawer because they know that people hide. I mean, there have been
00:30:34
studies about it where it's like people hide their stuff in a sock drawer. People hide their stuff
00:30:38
in a freezer. People hide their safes behind pictures. So now everyone knows where you hide
00:30:43
your stuff. That's right. Come to your house. My safe is behind my picture. Um, but so cutting
00:30:49
open a couch or you know there's like when when things are overly ruined i think is when cops are
00:30:57
like like furniture thrown yes that doesn't need to be because there there's photos of the house
00:31:01
that's ransacked and it's like there's a there's an ottoman like thrown onto the couch yeah that
00:31:07
there's no there's no reason i've done that right and also you're just taking extra time as the
00:31:12
burglar that could be time where the cops could be on their way why would you stand around throwing
00:31:17
shit well here's the fucked up thing about this that that proves they're probably right is that
00:31:21
there was an envelope full of cash sitting like out on one of the dining room chairs and in the
00:31:27
photo of the crime scene you can see it they had brought it home because they couldn't make it to
00:31:32
the bank uh after so it was just sitting there so it's just sitting there it wasn't taken so there's
00:31:39
no need to put the ottoman on the couch no there it it was a fake i believe it was a fake ransacking
00:31:45
but I'm just wondering, you hear that all the time. Oh yeah. I wish we could look at photos.
00:31:49
I wish like how the 911 call we wanted to do where like we listened to two that are real and
00:31:53
one that isn't. Ooh, that's one I'd be willing to do. Yeah. That's one that wouldn't give you
00:31:57
nightmares. That, that one I would love to do because who, I mean, who really knows, but it
00:32:02
would be to understand how detectives and investigators have a sense of things would
00:32:09
be fascinating to me. Can any detectives out there, please send us some crime scene photos.
00:32:15
don't and don't just sneak them out of the uh precinct evidence locker where the cocaine is
00:32:22
sneak them out mail them to george's secret po i mean add a little coke in there if you want
00:32:28
it's not a big deal i won't be mad people do it all the time i'm kidding don't do coke we we all
00:32:33
think it's bad yeah so okay i'm speaking for steven steven wants the coke steven hates coke um so
00:32:41
they say it seemed like a staged robbery there was an envelope full of cash and nothing about
00:32:46
nothing much of value had been taken and shortly after the car that the durham's had at the house
00:32:52
which was from the car dealership was found in an embankment and it seemed like it had been placed
00:32:57
there rather than crashed and in the back was like a pillowcase full of like some silver you know some
00:33:04
fucking silver nothing that like utensils yeah yeah yeah so something a rube robber might take
00:33:12
right a fool so i mean clearly my clearly the son-in-law okay here's the fucking twist okay
00:33:20
40 years later it's still unsolved despite all the evidence that clearly points at the son-in-law
00:33:25
but what do they have like motive that the son-in-law the son-in-law has never been a suspect
00:33:33
oh and he's a lawyer now so all right oh here's what i think happened i think and jenny was the
00:33:40
sole inheritor inherited quarter of a million dollars oh shit in the 70s money and that's 25
00:33:48
million in today's is it oh you're like wow karen oh my god if it's numbers i'm definitely lying i
00:33:57
love those conversions when they're like this is how much it is in today's money i know i just read
00:34:02
one today that was like a hundred thousand in the 70s. I should now I don't remember what it was.
00:34:09
I believed you. I believed you in the way that when I have to ask you about Roman numerals,
00:34:13
you could say anything to me and I would believe you. That I knew. That was that I knew. Okay.
00:34:18
I'll always tell you when I'm lying. I appreciate that. Okay. So I just think like he hired a hit,
00:34:26
some hitman if a phone call happened it was the the people at the scene saying it's done and
00:34:33
Ginny didn't know about it and so he said that phone call what was actually this thing instead
00:34:38
right or the phone call never happened and she was in on it do you think the neighbor was in on it
00:34:44
that it was Mr. Lucky at the assassination it sounds I don't know enough about him but based
00:34:50
on those two little details yes the racist the blaming someone else which i don't know it was the
00:34:58
cia that killed kennedy right i mean um and yeah his getting involved in it and being a private
00:35:06
detective which i feel like you know more about how to commit a crime well sure than otherwise
00:35:10
yeah you see it all the time yeah um i'll say this what's suspicious to me that just dawned on me
00:35:17
why would that woman call her son-in-law instead of the cops and when there are three men in her
00:35:24
house that's a good point and in addition to that the family didn't like the son-in-law they were
00:35:29
trying to get her to to leave him because she was only 19 you said yeah yeah so they were trying they
00:35:36
were like against this marriage why would she call them and there's so many instances in this
00:35:40
whole crime that it's like why weren't the cops called wow yeah starting with her with the mother
00:35:46
which probably never happened. So that's why the cops never called. And then multiple times with the son-in-law
00:35:53
and the daughter weren't called. Right So yeah Crazy And then okay they still looking into it There a reward offered
00:36:07
And someone said, investigator said, in my opinion, Mrs. Durham never made that phone call.
00:36:12
When some people come into your house to kill you, they're not going to let you make a phone call.
00:36:17
Right. Of course. I speculate, maybe the call happened, but from a hitman that they hired.
00:36:25
and okay i also want to give a shout out to uh jody.com no wait it's called i did it for jody
00:36:32
j-o-d-i-e.com that is a really cool like a true crime blog that had a lot of good information
00:36:38
is that name in reference to mark david chapman possibly tried to kill reagan for jody foster
00:36:46
maybe oh wait no i'm sorry jody aries i've never seen you what did i just i could i could have i think i got the name wrong was it
00:37:03
um hinckley i'm thinking of john hinckley i never tried to kill reagan mark david chapman is the one that killed john lennon yep uh and then you just threw
00:37:13
Jodi Arias in there for fun. Facts, you guys. We're strong on facts. We're passionate about a lot of different names.
00:37:22
I did it for Jodi.com. Good little true crime blog. That's very cool. I had a lot of cool information.
00:37:28
And I fucking went all over the place for this. I was so fascinated by it. I just can't believe.
00:37:34
Yeah. They did it. They're just nothing. But they didn't even, he was never even a suspect.
00:37:40
That's weird. It was a small town. Small town, only unsolved murder. Wow. Yeah. Is he still like, you said he became a lawyer?
00:37:49
He's a lawyer. He's still, they're divorced. She won't now, she now won't cooperate with the cops anymore.
00:37:56
She's like, I gave them all the information I could. Huh. Yeah. Wow. Was that anticlimactic?
00:38:02
Do I ask that every time? I think you do. I really do. Well, it's always when there's no resolution.
00:38:10
I mean, it's always just, it makes me want to ask 95 questions. Which are the ones I love.
00:38:14
I love when there's like, I love a good mystery. You know what I was thinking about is that other one that you had that was from Japan
00:38:20
or whatever. Where they killed the family. Totally. I think about that one all the time.
00:38:25
Who the fuck was it? What and why? It's enough information that it should have been able to be solved.
00:38:29
That drives me crazy. Well, the frustrating thing too is that it's not like when you're on this side of it and
00:38:34
you don't know, you have it in your head that it's going to be some fascinating reveal.
00:38:38
Yeah. And it's always like, oh, that guy. That's why, yeah. I mean, that's why I like cold cases because you can imagine that it's more, it's deeper than just the stupidity of some, they're killing someone.
00:38:52
Yeah, that's right. Okay, we're back. I had a lot of questions back then. Do you have any answers now?
00:39:01
I do. I have actual updates and this case, I would call it solved. Oh. But there's still a mystery. So it's kind of comforting. So 50 years after the murders in 2022, officials identified the perpetrators of this crime because the case was reopened in 2019 after a man came forward saying that his father once admitted to killing three people in the North Carolina mountains during a thunderstorm.
00:39:30
And so the father's name was Billy Sunday Burt. And he was the only suspect still alive.
00:39:38
And he gave up the names of his accomplices, which were Bobby Jean Gaddis, Charles David Reed, and someone named Billy Wayne Davis, which is actually the name of a comedian, friend of ours.
00:39:51
So that's kind of fucking crazy, right? That's truly wild. He's not involved. He's truly not involved.
00:39:57
Really not his style. Not at all. Actually is a part of our origin story. He was there when we first met and first started talking about.
00:40:05
Yeah, he's married to Aaron Dewey Lennox. And so all of these people were members of the so-called Dixie Mafia, which we've talked about before.
00:40:14
Yeah. And so the Dixie Mafia, according to NBC News, is a Georgia-based, loosely organized network believed to have engaged in dozens of violent crimes across the Southeast in the 1960s and the 1970s.
00:40:28
1970s. So it's the mafia. It's the South. Yeah. The thing is, Davis confirms that the killing was a
00:40:35
contract killing. But the problem is we don't know who the person who ordered it was and why.
00:40:41
So that's kind of a big deal. It's very important. Yeah. And we speculate so much in the story that
00:40:47
I'm kind of uncomfortable with it. We do it in a way that we did in the beginning where we didn't
00:40:52
think about who we were throwing accusations at. Right. Like the daughter, the son-in-law. Like
00:40:59
we'd never said alleged until much later. Of course not. Yeah. It's true. We were just sitting
00:41:05
there like laying on a couch in your apartment thinking like we were just hypothesizing.
00:41:11
Totally. Exactly. Yes. Just like what if, what if? And that kind of sensitivity, it just took us,
00:41:18
that's a perspective I just wasn't considering at all. Right. And I feel the same way about the
00:41:22
John Bonnet Ramsey case where it's just like, how fun is it just to be like, what if it's this? What
00:41:26
if it's that? What if it's that? But we're doing it in public. And what if more than likely it's not?
00:41:32
Right. And you're just causing more pain and wounds. So. Right. And it goes hand in hand with like, we're not the kind of people that would assume
00:41:39
a bunch of people would want to listen to us do what we're doing. Right. And that was like that just our you know that our learning curve that makes this show a little painful and a little like we don want to look back and be like oh that means we bad people Yeah Because there is a real naivete if not straight up ignorance Right And as we say we were always like working from the place where it was which was you
00:42:10
know, people claiming on newspapers that fucking Burke Ramsey did it. You know, it's like that was the culture.
00:42:15
We were the National Enquirer generation where that little murdered girl's face was on that
00:42:22
newspaper in the grocery store. When you were 15 years old, you were staring at her every single
00:42:27
day. Yeah, you're desensitized to it. Completely. Completely. Yeah. And so the son-in-law, Troy,
00:42:32
passed away in 2019. It remains unclear if he had any involvement whatsoever. And yeah, that's it. So
00:42:41
I don't know if we'll ever know who ordered that hit. Wow. I know. I wonder if there's like Dixie
00:42:46
Mafia, there's a file cabinet somewhere. Oh, you gotta hope. It's just like some weird reveal where,
00:42:54
yeah, at some point. Hey, was your grandpa in the Dixie Mafia? Will you tell us about it at
00:43:00
My Favorite Murder at Gmail? That has to be a hometown, right? Yeah, for real. Any kind of
00:43:05
Dixie Mafia, anything that you might know. Yeah. For a second, I thought you were asking me if my
00:43:10
grandpa was, right? I'm like, my grandpa was from Galway, Ireland. Yeah, right. Almost as
00:43:16
likely as my grandpa being. All right. So let's listen to Karen's story. This one.
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All right. Well, you want to hear mine? Absolutely. Well, mine is pretty interesting.
00:46:24
I remembered that I read this book called, let me see. The Bible. God, I love it.
00:46:34
and I'm here to tell you about it too. It's called Alone, Orphaned on the Sea, which is what I wanted to call my book,
00:46:43
but forget it. Oh, sorry, Orphaned on the Ocean. I can call mine Orphaned on the Sea now.
00:46:52
So I got really into for a little while before I ever saw the show I Survived, which I cannot get on the Lifetime on my Apple TV.
00:47:03
I can't get it on my laptop. Oh my gosh. I can't, it will not let me access even for money.
00:47:09
It won't let me watch old episodes of I survived. And I think that's wrong. And someone needs to do something.
00:47:14
We need, listen, is it lifetime? Well, it's like lifetime.com. They only have them on their website.
00:47:22
I think you're missing out on a great opportunity for a shout out. And instead, Karen's just disappointed.
00:47:27
I'm just mad. But I love all your movies. Anyhow's. So I read that I was super in, I got into these stories of survival for a little while in the, I would say mid nineties. Maybe I was having a hard time myself. I can't remember. Um, and I remember reading this book and being fascinated by it. And then the thing that drew me to the book initially is the, on the cover of the book, there's a picture and it's just the open ocean and then a tiny, in the middle, a tiny white raft and a little green.
00:48:00
sitting in it no is it a photograph it's a photograph of the person i'm about to tell you
00:48:05
about and how she was found losing my mind losing my mind can i look at the phone should i wait i'm
00:48:09
gonna wait i have the foot i have the picture on my phone for you everyone go look at the durham
00:48:13
family murder bathtub scene and then it's not gruesome except they're all dead oh my god this
00:48:20
little girl alone orphaned on the ocean all right so this is the story of terry joe depereau
00:48:28
and she was from Green Bay, Wisconsin. When this happened to her, she was 11 years old
00:48:35
and her father, Arthur, was an optometrist also from Green Bay, obviously. She was from a different area.
00:48:45
And Arthur had always dreamed of taking a year off and sailing around like the Bahamas,
00:48:53
basically sailing the world with his family. He had been in World War II and he had been in like the tropics.
00:49:01
And so he thought that would be amazing, especially it was coming up on winter in Green Bay.
00:49:08
Oh, fuck that. Yeah, right. And so he'd always wanted to basically live on a boat for like a year.
00:49:16
Okay. And so his idea was he's going to take the family down to the Bahamas. They're going to rent a sailboat and try it out for a week,
00:49:24
see if the kids actually like it or if he's just full of beans and, uh, and then see,
00:49:30
see where their adventure will take them. Okay. So they, they fly down to, um, Florida and they charter,
00:49:38
uh, a two massive sailboat called the blue bell. And they hire captain Julian Harvey,
00:49:45
who is a former air force fighter pilot, um, and an experienced sailor. And they have him captain the ship.
00:49:51
And, um, Does that seem weird to like be like my whole family and some guy? Yeah.
00:49:57
Well, the guy brought his wife, Mary. Okay. So I think they were kind of acting as like the casual crew.
00:50:04
It was a swinger situation. It was super key party. Okay. So because this was also in.
00:50:12
Oh, this was 1961. Okay. So they sailed out of Florida on November 8th, 1961, and they sailed east toward the island of Bimini.
00:50:25
Bimini, Bimini, boo. Sorry. And then they went on to Sandy Point on the great Abaco Island.
00:50:35
And the family spent a week there snorkeling and collecting shells on pink and white beaches.
00:50:42
They just had a gorgeous vacation. And they had such a good time that Dr. Dupero told the village commissioner,
00:50:49
because they had to fill out paperwork to go back to America that he planned to return before Christmas.
00:50:56
So they were super into the sailboating family dream. Cool. So then they left and they set sail for home.
00:51:05
And that night around 9 p.m., Terry Jo headed downstairs to her sleeping quarters
00:51:10
in the back of the boat. Her brother and little sister had stayed upstairs in the cockpit with the parents.
00:51:16
And around 11, she woke up because she heard her brother yelling, Daddy, help. And then she heard stomping sounds, and then it went quiet.
00:51:24
And she laid in her bunk, shaking and confused and not sure what was going on. And she's 11?
00:51:32
She's 11 years old. Oh, my gosh. Okay. So finally, she sneaks up to the main cabin,
00:51:40
and she sees her mother and brother lying in a big pool of blood. Holy shit. so she said the second she saw them she knew she they were dead so she went past them and snuck up
00:51:53
uh to the cockpit hatch and she stuck her head out and she saw more blood on the deck and she
00:52:02
saw a knife on the ground oh my god so she crawls out of the hatch because she's trying to find her
00:52:06
dad and captain harvey runs at her and growls get back down there and pushes her down the stairs
00:52:12
Holy shit. So she closes her eyes, runs past her brother and mom and goes back to her bunk and gets
00:52:20
into her, goes back to her cabin and gets back in the bunk. And she lays her. She doesn't know what to do.
00:52:25
She's obviously probably in shock, freaking out. Then she hears sloshing and she looks down and the floor of her sleeping quarters is
00:52:35
covered in oily water. And she realizes the ship is sinking. Oh my God. So she's afraid to move.
00:52:42
but she looks up and then suddenly the captain standing in the doorway staring at her and he's
00:52:48
um carrying her brother's rifle and he stares at her for a little bit then he just turns and walks
00:52:54
away so uh she lays in bed frozen stiff doesn't know what to do but pretty soon the water's up
00:53:02
to her mattress so she knew she had to get out of there so she wades through waist deep water
00:53:09
out of her cabin, out through or out of her quarters, out through the main cabin.
00:53:16
She goes back up on deck and she looks over the side and she sees that the life raft is already
00:53:22
in the water. And Captain Harvey walks up to her and hands her the rope that connects,
00:53:28
connecting the life raft and says, hold on to this. I'll be back in a second. And she's in such shock and fear. She drops the rope. And so as he's walking away,
00:53:37
he looks and sees that the rope is going and the dinghy starting to float away. So he dives in after it and
00:53:43
he dives in after it and she watched him swim after the boat and disappear into the night.
00:53:54
Oh my God Oh my God I have so many questions Go on I stole that last line directly from the reader digest article that I was reading about this story I read several articles about it but Reader Digest was the main one
00:54:05
And I just want to thank them for being an American classic. I miss that. I used to read this when I was a kid. That's all I read.
00:54:10
When you went to the bathroom at your aunt's house? I didn't want to say it. It's all about Reader's Digest.
00:54:14
Oh, man. Cover to cover. So, okay. So it's an 11-year-old girl standing on a sinking boat.
00:54:22
Fuck. who's witnessed her family murdered, part of her family murdered. What does she do?
00:54:29
Does she cry? Does she cower? No. She remembers that there is a small cork life raft
00:54:36
in the cockpit. So she runs and grabs it. And as she does, as she grabs a hold of it,
00:54:44
and they don't describe this that much, but she basically runs forward to the front of the boat,
00:54:51
grabs the life raft. By the time she gets there, the boat is sinking under her feet.
00:54:56
So she has just enough time to jump onto it as the boat goes under the water. So she basically went down with the ship and then jumped onto this little cork life raft.
00:55:07
Holy shit. So now she's alone at sea in a tiny raft. It's three feet long. I mean, you saw it in that picture.
00:55:18
She doesn't fit into it. She couldn't lay down in it. it's half her it's probably like can hold her legs so she has a blouse and pants on she's freezing
00:55:29
cold it's pitch black there's no moon out she can't see so she keeps getting hit with huge waves
00:55:34
and the salt water's getting in her eyes and stinging her eyes she can't open her eyes and
00:55:39
she's afraid that captain harvey is nearby oh my god so that's then it starts raining so her first
00:55:46
night out in the water bad news okay anytime you're lost you're out at sea i wouldn't be
00:55:52
looking for good news although i wonder if but the not salt water that it was raining down was
00:55:58
helpful in some way like she could drink it or something oh maybe you mean hydration wise yeah
00:56:03
for a second i thought you meant i wonder if if she was in a fresh water was she in a fish tank
00:56:09
Did she go to Lake Havasu? Okay. So she wakes up the next morning. The sun comes out.
00:56:17
She's not cold anymore. Now, of course, she's boiling hot. Oh, I've seen Joe versus Volcano.
00:56:24
I know what it's like. Okay, yeah. You know what it's like to be on a raft. But his raft was nice.
00:56:29
It was pretty sweet. It was huge. He had that great suitcase. Her raft was slowly disintegrated.
00:56:34
No. Yes. Sweet baby angel. So she has to hang her legs over the side to float like the plastic rubbery part that has the air in it is the part that's not disintegrating.
00:56:46
So she has to sit on the edge and then hang her legs over the side. Then parrotfish come and start biting her legs.
00:56:51
What are parrotfish? They sound like dicks. I don't know. It sounds like they start biting her legs.
00:56:57
I bet they're the ones that you see in tropical fish tanks. Yeah. They think they're all big with their fancy colors and their teeth.
00:57:04
fucking shark food so uh that's her first day it sucks the next day the next day she wakes up her tongue is swelling in her mouth because of all the salt that she's
00:57:21
taking in and no hydration and then she sees a plane and she's waving she takes her shirt off
00:57:28
and waves and waves and waves this this white shirt over her head it dips down toward her a
00:57:32
little bit and then flies away and never comes back. Wait, wait, no. Yeah. That was how she was
00:57:38
going to get saved. Nope. So that afternoon she spots some shapes swimming in the water about 30
00:57:45
yards away and she's scared to death because she thinks they're sharks. Send her foe.
00:57:50
When they come closer, it's a pot of porpoises that swim with her for hours and hours. Never.
00:57:57
now we all cry at the beauty of nature are you this is 100 for sure yes this is from her this
00:58:05
is her book alone orphan of the ocean what did they what they because i know but like how did
00:58:13
oh my god have you ever seen those specials where they have children that have like brain damage or
00:58:19
some kind of disease get into water with a dolphin they do studies and their brain function improves
00:58:26
when they're around dolphins. Dolphins have like weird fucking children ESP and they know when something's in the water
00:58:33
and needs their help. And they're beautiful creatures and you have to stop killing them.
00:58:38
Okay. Oh my God. That was amazing. I thought you were really crying for a second.
00:58:47
What if I was accusing you personally of killing them? Yeah, Georgia. Please, with all your tuna.
00:58:52
All right. Okay, so that night, the sea is totally still now that i'm going to admit to a half lie in this because i remember
00:59:01
this from the book but i read this book almost 20 years ago okay so who knows what bullshit i've
00:59:07
layered on top of this but i'm pretty sure i remember this yeah that the sea this one night
00:59:12
was still so she could see the stars like down the down to the horizon and there was bioluminescent
00:59:19
algae in the water. So it was all like, she basically said she wasn't that scared until
00:59:26
the very end because these cool things kept happening. And that was one of them that she
00:59:31
saw like that the whole ocean was glowing green. And then she could see every single star.
00:59:37
This reminds me of James and the Giant Peach. Yeah. Remember when they were in the ocean and
00:59:42
the peach? I fucking love that book. I read that one was my favorite book in the whole world.
00:59:46
Except for the copy I had because it was from like 1979 because it was when I was a child There was an illustration of James at the beginning that is the saddest picture of any child ever I tweeted it one time Oh my God It so sad When his parents got killed by a fucking rhino that escaped from the zoo Yeah Hardcore Maybe that why I always thought
01:00:05
my parents were going to die because that was my favorite book. Yes. Because Roddahl liked to plant
01:00:10
those pretty early and often. He did. Just be prepared to be an orphan just in case. Which I
01:00:15
appreciate to a degree. He should have said be prepared to be an orphan of the sea. Yeah. Because
01:00:20
that could also happen. Okay. Tie it in. Go ahead. So I had to bring it back. That night
01:00:27
when she fell asleep, she dreamed she saw her father peacefully drinking a glass of red
01:00:32
wine and telling her, come on, we're leaving. So when she woke up on the third day, she
01:00:37
was really sore. Her skin was burnt through her clothes. All her joints ached. She had
01:00:44
been balancing on the edge of that raft because almost all the bottom was now gone. And she
01:00:50
started hallucinating. She would see tiny islands with one palm tree on them and then start paddling,
01:00:56
paddling, paddling. And then when she'd get to them, they would disappear. Oh my God.
01:00:59
Sounds like a Farside comic. I know. On the fourth day, she didn't wake up in the morning.
01:01:07
She was losing consciousness. She was close to death. And when she finally did wake up,
01:01:13
she woke up because she felt a shadow over her. And when she opened her eyes, she said she saw
01:01:18
a huge whale hanging in in the air above her wow but what it actually was was a greek freighter
01:01:26
that miraculously had someone had spotted her on this greek freighter and that's the person
01:01:33
one of the people one of the sailors on this ship took that picture that i showed you holy shit the
01:01:40
second they saw her so that was her still lost at sea basically oh and she didn't even know yet
01:01:45
So the experience for her was a whale was hanging over her and then she was being lifted in the air and then she was in big strong arms and then she was asleep.
01:01:56
And the next thing she knew, she woke up and she was at the hospital in Florida.
01:02:00
Big strong arms. Big strong arms. And a whale. And Greek arms. So they'd have that real good hair.
01:02:06
Yeah. Real good wrist hair. Shiny. Maybe a pipe. Probably. Smells like a pipe. He smells like a pipe.
01:02:13
He'd smell like a pipe. And seawater. He definitely has a big beard. Oh, yeah. Okay.
01:02:18
Okay, this is just our fantasy. Yes, this is a different podcast. All right. So she got helicoptered to the hospital in Miami.
01:02:25
She was treated for dehydration and severe sunburn. In a week, she recovered with no serious injuries.
01:02:31
Holy shit. But not so for Captain Julian Harvey. Oh, hell no. I was going to call him doctor.
01:02:40
So Captain Harvey was rescued the next day by a lookout on an oil tanker that was headed for Puerto Rico.
01:02:49
And when they found him, he had the dead body of Terry Joe's seven-year-old sister Renee
01:02:54
in the life raft. What? Why? He told the Coast Guard that he had found her in the water
01:02:59
and tried to revive her. And so basically, but the autopsy showed that she drowned.
01:03:08
So the story he told the Coast Guard was that the bluebell was damaged in a squall in the middle of the night.
01:03:17
And his wife and the Duperos were injured when the masks and rigging collapsed. He said gas lines in the engine room ruptured and the ship caught fire as it slowly sank.
01:03:28
He said he'd managed to launch the dinghy and raft and dive overboard, but the tangled rigging had trapped everyone else on board.
01:03:35
The police were totally suspicious, but there was nothing to prove otherwise. and then three days later
01:03:41
Terry Jo shows up survived and when Harvey finds out that she survived he killed himself in his hotel room
01:03:50
holy shit so turns out they do some investigating and Harvey had serious financial problems
01:03:57
and he had just taken out a life insurance policy on his wife Mary there's fucking life insurance policies
01:04:02
there needs to be more steps before you can just take out a life insurance policy on your wife or husband or children.
01:04:13
The police theorized that he had killed his wife for the insurance money, but was caught in the act by Arthur Debrault,
01:04:20
prompting Harvey to murder him and the rest of his family. It was later found that Mary had been Harvey's sixth wife.
01:04:31
What? And not the first to die while married to him. Come on. He had miraculously survived a car accident that had claimed another wife of his and her mother.
01:04:42
Both his yacht, Torbatross, which is a terrible fucking name, and his powerboat, Valiant, had both sunk under suspicious circumstances.
01:04:52
They had all yielded large insurance settlements. Turns out Captain Harvey was kind of a serial killer.
01:05:00
Oh, my God. Terry Jo was raised in Wisconsin by her aunt. She never talked about the ordeal. Her family told everyone not to bring it up in front of her.
01:05:10
So she lived with this for years and years and years. Does that sound mentally healthy to you?
01:05:15
It is not mentally healthy. It's the worst thing you could do. Talk about your trauma.
01:05:20
You have to talk about it. Talk about it to someone who is trained professionally.
01:05:24
Someone cool and who's trained. You have to talk about things like, I mean, come on.
01:05:29
I think these days people know that, but this was the 60s. It was Wisconsin. Press it way down deep.
01:05:37
I mean, that's what a lot of families do. My family is very much like, don't bring it up.
01:05:42
We don't want to bother anybody. So she finally went to therapy as an adult. And 50 years later she wrote a book with a survival psychologist named Richard Logan called Alone Orphaned on the Ocean Oh my God And she actually took sodium amythal which i believe is oh truth serum um so that she could remember everything so she went all the way back so
01:06:09
fucking cool yeah holy shit that's our girl terry joe deparo i want to read that and she has an i
01:06:16
survived no of course she does really yeah i want to see that but i didn't i didn't pick this one
01:06:21
because I saw it on I Survived. Because I Survived, for me, doesn't tell you enough.
01:06:26
They take all the good ones. They really, I mean, they do. That is so, I have never heard that before.
01:06:33
That's a good one, right? Very good one. 11 years old. I think you won. Is this a game?
01:06:36
I think you won. It can't be a game. Please. Well, also, if it's a game, when you have a big Captain Harvey
01:06:46
is a serial killer reveal, I mean. Yeah. But also a girl surviving in a boat. That's pretty fucking sweet.
01:06:53
It's pretty goddamn cinematic. Can I add that none of the hands of the family in the bathtub were tied behind their back?
01:07:00
Where were they tied? They weren't tied. So maybe they weren't conscious from being strangled.
01:07:05
Yes, they would have to be. Because there was no defense. There was no defense. There's no fighting.
01:07:10
But their hands are free. Yeah, but yeah. Yes. That doesn't make sense. No. Okay.
01:07:16
I'm not trying to one up you. I'm just. No, no, no. Remember that part. Please. please um but also you said the wife was strangled but the other two had rope burns
01:07:28
around their neck like they were hung no i think they were all strangled okay by oh there's like a
01:07:33
like a some kind of rope that would like that they got at the house so so it's not like they brought
01:07:40
these weapons with them whoever killed them right right and this might be a good time to say
01:07:47
considering the fact that that guy's a lawyer that everything that we accuse him of is alleged
01:07:54
alleged hearsay and not proven speculation gossip yeah podcasting fuck you're right
01:08:01
shit please don't tell on us and that was the end of the podcast that they did ended y'all ladies think you're smart you think you're funny and smart guess what
01:08:12
is that how he sounds he's from north carolina right sure that yeah i don't know where that
01:08:16
accent no i buy it well that's some fucked up shit yeah well uh go to our instagram
01:08:24
instagram.com slash my favorite go to twitter my fave murder at twitter um facebook page
01:08:32
fucking hang out with us hang out oh but the one thing i will say is now we're getting lots
01:08:39
of recommendations if it's on let's stop pretending netflix has a bunch of choices
01:08:44
Netflix has like let's say 20 British shows we've seen them all if it's on Netflix or HBO
01:08:55
the challenge to you is to find a British procedural I haven't seen good luck and the person
01:09:01
who suggested DCI Banks I laugh in your face just kidding I don't even think that's what they
01:09:07
suggested but I mean I've honestly seen them all someone said I've seen them all
01:09:11
including Midsommar Midsommar Mysteries which really is like total grandma TV. I've tried to watch that one too.
01:09:18
But it's very grandma-y. You love that shit, man. I do. Sorry, that was just, I had to tag that on.
01:09:24
No, I get it. I appreciate it. It's kind of, it's sweet. The intentions are sweet.
01:09:30
Of course. But also, enough. Well, just give me something new. Yeah. That's all.
01:09:36
For sure. Yeah. Well, you guys, thanks for listening. You guys. oh i haven't even asked you yet yeah have i you're jumping your line do you want a cookie
01:09:50
there he goes okay we're back i still think you won this week i mean i mean well i think this story is so uh
01:10:07
It's extraordinary and there's nothing better, I think, than a survival story unless it's a survival story of a little girl.
01:10:16
Yeah, who by all accounts should not have survived that. No. It's a fucking miracle.
01:10:22
It's a miracle. And the beginning, it's not just like, oh, she was on a cruise ship and the cruise ship went down.
01:10:28
What she experienced before she then became stranded at sea was so horrifying and traumatic.
01:10:35
From a movie, just wild. Yeah. Yeah. What an incredible, incredible survival story. Do you have any updates?
01:10:41
I do have a few. Terry Jo has a different last name. Her three children and her grandchildren
01:10:48
live near her. She spent 14 years as a water management specialist in the Wisconsin Department
01:10:56
of Natural Resources. And she says, quote, I went on to protect the water that had protected me as a
01:11:02
little girl. Water is life and it is soothing for me to be on the beach. I find I can think clearly,
01:11:09
relax and feel closer to my lost family. That's so beautiful and pure because she could have been
01:11:15
deathly afraid for the rest of her life of water and the ocean. And that would make perfect sense.
01:11:21
But to embrace it as the thing that saved her, not the thing that tormented her, you know,
01:11:27
for all those days she was out there is like such an interesting, like, I think we should all take a
01:11:32
little something from that. She seems very, yes, she seems like the kind of person that having gone
01:11:37
through a thing that a lot of us would be like, I don't know if I could actually get through that,
01:11:41
especially at that age. She didn't just get through it, but she, especially in that book,
01:11:46
if you haven't read her book, you absolutely should. But it's like the philosophical part of
01:11:54
her is just like, well, here's what we're all going to learn from this. Yeah. And here's what it means to me. I get to make up what it means.
01:12:00
to me. Not, you know, not the circumstances. Right. Fuck yeah. Let's all do that. It's very
01:12:05
cool. So when this came out, my dear friend Kat Solin, who's an incredible artist, came up with a
01:12:11
rad design. It's a little girl on a raft. It's like a little cartoon drawing, but it's like,
01:12:17
it invokes so many emotions, the drawing. It's such beautiful art. It really is.
01:12:22
It's truly my favorite. Yeah. Kat's so good at that. So we're going to sell it for one week.
01:12:27
We're going to bring it back. You can preorder a limited edition zip hoodie or mug, and you can get that at exactlyrightstore.com.
01:12:35
So run over there and get that. It's taken from the real picture that was taken from the deck of the freighter of her rescuers.
01:12:42
So, like, it's beautiful art, but then it's also, like, the art is based on a true story.
01:12:48
It's just, like, the coolest, coolest. And we're going to close this preorder at midnight on January 21st.
01:12:55
So don't wait. Go get it. If you like that art, you can finally get it again for the first time in years.
01:13:01
Yay. So this episode, as we were talking about, originally titled I 28 his liver with some fava beans in a nice Chianti.
01:13:08
So if we were going to rename it today, what are some ideas of what we should pick?
01:13:13
Okay, if we were to name it now based on something we said during the episode, how about my safe is behind my picture?
01:13:20
when you were talking about burglars know where to hide stuff in the home and you just fucking told everyone basically.
01:13:27
My safe is behind my picture. It's a good, I could see that on our iTunes, you know?
01:13:32
That's right. Although I don't have a safe. And then I also said, now we all cry after telling you
01:13:39
about how the dolphins swam with her. The dolphins swam with her, stayed with her.
01:13:45
Incredible. And they probably chased those fucking parrotfish away. Yeah, that's right.
01:13:49
Dicks And those asshole sharks Oh my God I think now we all cry Now we all cry Yeah Yeah that a good one All right Thanks for looking back at the past with us And we like doing it
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