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were recapping episode 30, which for the first time in 29 episodes isn't named after the number
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pun. Thank you, Jesus. Phew. Thank God. Called one of the greats. It's called the
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Fuckword Murder Mystery Show. Find out why by listening to this. Stay tuned and you can find
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out why we named it that. And join us today as we take you back to August 18th, 2016. God,
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the summer of 2016. And now we can all be day one listeners together. So let's listen to the intro of episode 30.
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Are you ready? Yeah. I'm ready. Let's be really low energy this time. Let's be as quiet as we can.
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Yes. Fuck, I screwed it up already. Yes! You want to be quiet? Yes! Yes! That's all I've ever wanted!
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Oh, God. Hi, welcome to My Favorite Murder. That's Georgia Hardstar. That's Karen Kilgareth.
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The quietest, we're the quietest girls. We're so quiet. On podcasts. Thanks for being here.
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It's like spending an hour with us. Thanks. Thanks. Thinking about things with us.
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Guys, there's so much going on in our world. not the least of which is how georgia doesn't like stranger things
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there's someone at the door they're here to hang you up from the highest limb of a tree
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i didn't i don't not like it i have issues with it okay let's hear them well it reminds me remember
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the old stephen king movies that would be made of stephen king books that would be on that were
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made for tv like thinner yeah and how ridiculous they were and if you guys say what about true or
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pet cemetery go back and watch it again it's the corniest movie but it would that was a feature film
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right and there was some scary shit yes i love that movie but if you go back you're like oh this
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is so corny it doesn't hold up no um and it reminds me kind of of that of stephen king like
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made for tv movies and maybe it's kind of supposed to but i also just it reminded me of like someone
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who doesn't read sci-fi made a show about sci-fi yes and like i feel like if it's the kind of movie
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where if someone who had read the book were watching it which i know there's not a book but
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if you were you'd be like why the fuck did they leave this thing out this was the most important
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part like i feel like i would have been screaming that if i had read the book well you know i've
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found. I think because I like seeing I'm at that stage where that kind of nostalgia works on me
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because it's from when I was 10. Yeah. I love the look and feel. But yeah, that other stuff took me
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out of it. Well, and it's really hard to connect. This is this is kind of like the Stephen King
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problem and like lost a lot of those things. When you get your big good idea, that's going to freak
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people out and and hook people in and then you try to connect that with kind of believable science
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or something grounded it's it's very difficult to do so it's like um the upside down right is what
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yeah it was called like but there was nothing that you just kind of entered it through this weird
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i mean yeah and you could go get your like it just yeah there was a lot of wait what in it for me like
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And if you can walk into it, then why does she have to go into the thing to get it?
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Right. And like, well, what is it? What is it made out of? Why did this happen? Why did this person exist?
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Yeah. Why did they how did she get out of the? Yeah. Yeah. It's this is another episode of Georgia can't suspend her disbelief.
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You know, and it's a valid angle. I do. However, like the night of I've gone through three episodes in.
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Okay well when you get to the episode That aired last night First of all I keep falling asleep in front of the TV after watching Night Of and then dreaming about Riz Ahmed all night which makes me crazy
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They were showing photos of him as a kid, like as part of this show. And but there were real photos of him as a kid.
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And I was like, I want that DNA inside of me. Like, I want that baby. That sounded gross.
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That's the biggest kind of crush you can have when you want their DNA. Because who wants your DNA inside me?
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That's like a serial killer Valentine. That's disgusting. That's a serial killer Valentine.
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No, that's how I feel about him. I steal that idea from you. I don't want to sleep with him.
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I have a husband that I love who doesn't want kids. So I'll just have one from him with big eyes and like beautiful.
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You mean after he and I marry and have many of our own? Can we get into a thing here?
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I guess we could. Kind of a fun. Yeah. It'd be good for the podcast. Yeah. um it's a very long long show i love it episodic i okay two things it's like a play it is like a
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play i would watch a whole show of just john toturo and about his eczema didn't know there
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were eczema support groups that's fascinating those poor those poor people they can't date
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i didn't know eczema was that awful yeah that's amazing and then last night yesterday when i
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watched it janet colgate is now a character from dirty ron scoundrels what you know the the female
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lawyer oh yes yes yes yes i got so happy when i named her name janet colgate i said when she came
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on screen i said it in like in a the accent that was said in and i think this was like who did i
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what did i marry wait what's that actress's name um you think i can remember her character from a
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cheesy movie from the 80s but i can't remember her real name her name is you'll get this you always
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get this. I know, but it's hot. Elizabeth. Nope. It's Nancy. Stacey Nancy. It's my favorite
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actress, Stacey Nancy from such plays as Nancy St. Stacey. That's the best stage name of all time.
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Taking it. Stealing it. My favorite murder with Karen Gilgaro. And Nancy St. Stacey.
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Oh my God, that's good. I'm so sweaty. Are you looking it up, Stephen? What is it, Stephen?
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Is the letter P in her first or last name? Penelope. Not at all. God damn it. Then just say her name.
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It's Glenn Headley. Glenn Headley. You said that as if it was on the tip of your tongue.
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It's not. It was nowhere near my brain. Glenn Headley? Glenn Headley. She's such a great actress.
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She is, but oh, her name. Stephen Ray Morris, thank you for that. Yeah. Anytime.
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That's like one of those white waspy names I would have never gotten. Because in my world, girls can't be named Glenn.
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I've definitely never heard that before. Yeah. That's a family name. I'm sure. I'm sure it is.
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That's on a crest somewhere. But so two thumbs up for the night of. Yeah. Watch it.
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We're not talking about this. We're not talking about Stranger Things anymore. Yeah.
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It's gone off. I. Did you like the ending that they left it open, obviously, for a second season?
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I'm going to admit I fell asleep at some point in the later episodes. and I can't remember how it ends.
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They ended it in a way that was, there's just like no satisfying ending. Can I tell you?
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Because do you think they're going to be a season two? Well, Nancy and Steve are still together.
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What? Yeah. But she didn't love him. Does she? She doesn't. Does she love fake Ben Schwartz?
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That's all I could see when I saw him. Did you see that? That's exactly what he looks like.
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He looks so much, he's like Wasp Ben Schwartz. Yeah, he looks like if Ben Schwartz
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got put through a rock and roll machine. everyone look at benjobs i promise i nothing wrong with him but i just couldn't see that character
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um but sorry she goes back to him i feel like i just i should have spoiled alerted that yeah
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that's a big spoiler excuse me i feel like i just burped really loudly and like without warning
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anyone or saying excuse me before or after excuse me excuse me excuse me can i say can i read you my
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favorite tweet that we've gotten on the My Favorite Murder Twitter account. This is Tweet Corner with Karen. Tweet Corner, welcome.
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Meow, meow, meow, meow. Why did you just meow? That's the theme song. Mimi, the unsung cat of the
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Hard Star household, she sings the theme song to Tweet Corner. Meow, meow, meow, meow. Mimi's got to have her spot in the...
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Yeah, this is it. She's come to shine. Ready, Mimi? Meow, meow, meow, meow. She's totally asleep.
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Someone on Twitter named Trash Panda IRL. I love it already. That's not a real person.
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Read what her name is. Oh, Tween Sensation. Tween Sensation is her handle. Trash Panda IRL is her, I don't know, account name.
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I don't know. Trash Panda. And on her Twitter account, sorry, but I just noticed this.
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Her header picture is a picture of Barb and it says, in memory of Barb, see you on the other side.
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That's incredible. It's an illustration of Barb from Stranger Things. Hell yeah, Trash Panda.
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The best. Way to bring it all around. So she tweeted at us and said, my dad keeps calling your show the fuck word murder mystery show because he can't remember the name.
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And I cannot stop laughing at that. Say it again. My dad keeps calling your show the fuck word mystery murder mystery show because he can't remember the name.
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That is so first of all, I can't. If my dad heard a podcast where girls were saying the F word, he would pull the stereo out of the car and throw it on the highway.
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I swear if my dad ever hears this he going to call me with such a stern tone And so I love the fact that Trash Panda IRL dad is even listening to it I love him
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I love him. He sounds like my dad. And I think we might need to change the name of this podcast to the Fuckword Murder Mystery Show.
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I try not to do this, but someone who makes the memes needs to get our logo and change it into,
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say it one more time because it makes me so happy. The Fuckword Murder Mystery Show.
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it's just beautiful can I read you something that's probably going to make you want to cry
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yes Liz C on the Facebook page says I'm 19 years old and fighting cancer at the moment ready to cry
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my dad and I listen to the podcast on the way to the hospital and back it's a great way to keep my
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mind off things except now I'm scared to get murders LMAO I can't wait for the new shirts to come out
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I'm definitely going to be wearing it to the hospital. Love all you murderinos. And then there's 200 comments,
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including mine that says your next shirt is on the fucking house. And what's her name?
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Liz Liz. Yeah. Liz. Hey, Liz, you fight the good fight. You get in there, you do your fucking chemo or however you're taking care of this business and
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get it taken care of and get it out of you. Yeah. And many years of this stupid bullshit to come.
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Wait, the podcast or cancer? uh no no none of that only the podcast and then general fun things in life yeah murder cancer
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you're gonna be the smartest person you know because you've dealt with this thing and you're
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gonna have a great perspective on life i actually know many cancer survivors and the cool part about
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it is once you get through that all that bullshit of like that girl took my brush and now i'm going
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to try to ruin and you don't do that shit anymore because you're like yeah you're like oh i understand
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what loss is and I understand the gift of life that we have right now. And my family who was
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there for me when I like that we were able to get through this together. The fact that her dad
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listens to that on the word that listens to this bullshit. You guys. Sorry, we curse. Stay strong.
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We love you. We're thinking of you. Oh, we're back. Thank you, Tween Sensation and your dad for that amazing title suggestion.
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That's amazing. And then, of course, you better believe that some awesome Murderino created our logo with this brand new title.
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We'll put it up on the Instagram and on all the socials. It was Jason Klein. Jason Klein was like, the wife's out of the house.
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The kids are asleep. You better believe I'm making you a logo. It was the best. It's so good.
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It looks exactly like it. Apparently, we really loved Stranger Things. I don't remember having that sort of passion.
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I don't either. The first season, I think, was fucking excellent. And that's why.
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Maybe it was the newness of the style. And then it truly has been on for seasons and seasons.
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Yeah. Mystery, 80s mystery with, like, great clothes, music. Winona Ryder. Yes. The scenery is just, like, spot on.
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There's, like, a missing child aspect to it, which is always exciting. Somebody like that, look, a young girl with a shaved head who looks like she's in a daze with a bloody nose.
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Boom, I'm in. Yeah, what is this? I'm hooked. What happened to her? Yeah. All right, well, it's time to get into one of, oh, God.
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I know. This is kind of an epic true crime story because it is connected to another true crime story, which is like, those are very rare and horrifying.
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And this one is one of the worst. So let's listen to Georgia tell the story of the Yosemite Park killer, Carrie Stainer.
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I think you're first this week. Am I first? Yeah. Alright, settle in, Karen. Okay. Get ready to
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hear about something we've talked about, we've touched on before. Okay. But we never
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delved into. Okay. The Yosemite murders. There's Carrie Stainer. As we know, and we've talked about Carrie Stainer.
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Here's just like the beginning of the fucked up in this. Carrie Stainer was the big brother of Stephen Stainer,
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who if you'll remember in 1972 was kidnapped and held captive by a child molester named Kenneth Parnell.
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Carrie was the older brother and he was 11 years old. When it happened. Yeah, when it happened. And Stephen, the brother was held captive more than
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seven years before escaping. That itself is a fucked up story that you guys should look up.
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So awful. And this was one of our earliest episodes. We were trying to remember the name
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of that, the made for TV movie, which is called I Know My Name is Stephen. Yes. And we talked about
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it for way too long. And we're still getting people that are tweeting at us and sending us
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emails saying it was called I Know My Name is Stephen. It's like that happened six months ago.
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Well, when you when we talked about that, that was the first time I found out that these two are brothers because I knew about Carrie's murders and I knew about Stephen's kidnapping, but I didn't know they were connected.
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And that just makes it. It just it makes it boggles the mind, you know, in a way that's like more than just when you think of a serial killer, you're like, how does your brain do that?
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And we have this added piece of fucking childhood trauma in there. Also, it makes me think this poor family.
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Oh, my God. Totally. Whoever is left standing. It's just like, how much can some people take?
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Those parents. Because it's terrible. Yeah. It's so much. Well, so the year after Stephen came back, I'm going to call him Carrie.
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Carrie's uncle was murdered and Carrie was living with the uncle at the time. But no one considered him a suspect.
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And Carrie would later claim that his uncle molested him. Oh, no. Cut to 1997. Carrie was hired as a handyman at the Cedar Lodge Motel in El Porto, just outside of the Highway 140 Arc Rock entrance to Yosemite National Park.
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So just outside Yosemite, Cedar Lodge. The weekend before February 1999, he was having these murderous fantasies that had become so intense that he knew he was going to murder someone.
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he prepared a murder rape kit containing a rope, a roll of duct tape and a serrated kitchen knife,
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and later a gun and a camera. And as far as we know, besides his uncle, which may or may not have happened,
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this is his first, these are his first murders. Okay. So on Valentine's Day, 1999,
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Carol's son, who was 42, her daughter, Julie, who was 15, and Sylvina Peloso, who was 16,
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were his first victims. Carol was initially leery of Carrie when he knocked on their cabin door saying he had to fix the fan in the bathroom
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She talked him through the window and didn't want to let him in and only did so after he said he'd go get the manager
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To like confirm it and she was like, no, no, no, no, that's okay You know the way people do
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When they give you the double confirmation of like, oh, don't worry, I'll go do the thing you want me to do
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Right. Well, if you say that then Well, if you say you're going to do the thing I want you to do, then you must be legit
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Right. Then, okay. Yeah. All right. I'll do it. So, but once inside, he pulls out a 22 caliber pistol. He tells them he's desperate, quote, and orders them to lie face down on the bed. He bounds their hands with duct tape, gags them, and then he took the two girls into the bathroom.
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he strangles carol with a three foot piece of rope later saying in his taped confession
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i didn't realize how hard it is to strangle a person it's not easy but i had very little feeling it was like performing a task
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yeah keep that in mind if it's really hard to strangle somebody very hard so don't maybe don't
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do it. Yeah, it's harder than one thinks. So after putting her in the trunk of her rented Pontiac,
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he goes back to the girls, cuts their clothes off, and then he strangles Sylviana in the bathroom.
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And then he sexually assaults Julie in the family motel, in the motel room, and then wraps her up
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and he ties her to the bed. He says he felt like he was in control for the first time in his life
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and he cleaned up the crime scene so well that it appeared that the women had checked out and left
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when the people came to check. Oh no. When the staff came later to check to see if they were there.
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They had detected no foul play. Let's see. He even wiped his hair off the bed sheets
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And then when the FBI agent asked on tape why he did that, he replied, I watched the Discovery Channel.
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Oh, no. Hi, that's all of us. Yep. Oh, yeah. Everyone's getting real smart about forensics together.
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Good and bad. Yeah, for sure. So at 4 a.m., he takes Julie out of the motel and drives her away in the rental car with her mother and friend in the trunk.
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So she's still alive. Yes. Okay. And I don't know. I don't think she knows that those two are dead and in the trunk because he kind of,
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there was two motel rooms that he was going between and I don't think she ever saw the
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bodies. She just thought she was separate. Yeah. So she says, he says, I didn't know where I was going or what I was doing. I just kept driving and driving. And he said about Julie, she was a very likable girl. He said, crying on tape. She was very calm. So Don is approaching. He turns off at Lake Don Pedro and carries Julie up a dirt path to a small clearing overlooking the water. I told her I wished I could keep her, he said.
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then he sexually assaulted her again finally brushed her hair and fanned it out on the ground
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beneath her head i told her i loved her he said and then he slit her throat oh no i didn't want
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her to suffer the way the other two did a too late asshole i know like i think because he
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he choked them manually he was thinking that it was taking longer so he slit her throat thinking
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he was comparatively yeah like thinking he was being compassionate so he hides her body and he
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He drives the car with the bodies in the trunk as far as he could into the forest.
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Then he takes a cab back to Yosemite, pays with the fare with the $150 he stole from Carol's purse.
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Two days later, he returns to the car with a can of gasoline and scratches. We have Sarah on the hood with a pocket knife.
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And then he lights the car on fire. Then he drove two hours west and dumped Carol's billfold on a Modesto Street corner to fool the police.
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This is near where you're from, kind of. Kind of. It's the Central Valley. Okay.
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We're more on the coast. Okay. So more than a month later, the remains of Carol Sund and Peloso were found in the burned out rental car abandoned along a logging road.
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And six days later, the FBI received an anonymous letter with a crudely drawn map and a message.
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We had fun with this one. And following the map, the searchers found Julie. the detectives began interviewing employees of the cedar lodge motel where the first three
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victims had been staying just before their deaths one of the employees was carrie but he was not
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considered a suspect at that point he has no criminal history and remained calm during the
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police interview fucking psychopath right oh my god fbi agents and local police rounded up a bunch
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of meth heads and sex offenders and told the tourists and residents that they were confident
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they had the killers in custody. That, okay, so another woman disappears on July 22nd.
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This is Joey Ruth Armstrong, J-O-I-E, who is 26. She's a pretty redhead who worked for the Yosemite Institute
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teaching children about nature. Oh, sweet angel. She worked at the, let's see, was lone in the isolated cabin
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where she lived when Carrie came upon her. Man, we can't have anything. we can't even live alone don't well but living in a cabin alone in the woods yeah but guys get
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to do it what guys get to live alone in the cabin in the woods without getting murdered
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for the most part yeah and they're guys that's what i'm saying it's not fair no i know i'm i'm
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more and i'm still in the mode of if you're going to live in a cabin in the woods then pull your gun
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out anytime someone approaches your home yeah like i don't know or or big dogs big angry scary
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dogs i don't know yeah no i get it don't be all chill yeah i wouldn't want to live i like living
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in a big city where there's just people everywhere yeah on top of you all the time uh so according to
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the interview carrie confronted armstrong at gunpoint on the front porch of her cabin oh he
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had a gun. Yeah. He told her it was a robbery and forced her into the cabin and covered her mouth
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and bound her hands behind her back with duct tape. Then he put her in his sports utility vehicle,
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SUV. I could have just said that. That's an SUV. Thank you. Someone needed an extra word count in
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their newspaper piece, right? Did you also draw a picture? Yeah. Page five is just one big picture.
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Well, I copied a couple of these sentences and that was one of them. And now I'm like,
00:28:01
that guy just needed a higher word count. Oh yeah. For sure. Yeah. He said, I lost control of myself
00:28:06
and I lost control of her. Um, let's see. He said, when this started out, I had no intention of
00:28:12
cutting her head off, which he later did. Spoiler alert, man. He says he has no intention of cutting
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her head off. I had no intentions of killing her. Even the first time I saw her. Yeah. Right. Then
00:28:24
I started thinking about it. It was in the house. There was, it was, there was nobody in the house
00:28:29
with her she kept walking out by herself and she watered the plants and it was obvious she was
00:28:33
taking off and getting ready to go that's when i started talking to her so the assistant u.s attorney
00:28:39
then okay in court papers it was said after he had driven a short distance she dove head first
00:28:47
out of the wind through the window out of the moving truck and still bound with duct tape ran
00:28:52
through the woods toward the nearby community of farista to get help hell yeah girl good for you
00:28:58
fight your fucking last fight yeah you know i don't know if that was the right saying
00:29:02
while carrie ultimately subdued armstrong she fought so crazy and with such passion that
00:29:09
stainer wasn't able to do his normal cleanup job like obsessive cleanup job he disposed of her
00:29:15
beheaded body near in a nearby stream and the head turned up 27 feet away in a hurry he fleed
00:29:22
and a close source he fled he fleed no he fleed karen don't fucking correct let her count he fleed sorry to correct you no you're right he fled
00:29:33
a close a source close to the investigation oh my god i think you were pointing that out no i did
00:29:42
not catch that says it was a fight from start to finish she tried to get away and she almost did
00:29:48
Yes Honey She basically ended it Yep By fighting that that hard fucking fought so hard that he lost it and like
00:30:05
so in his haste he left behind footprints and basically his car was seen around the area it
00:30:13
was really distinctive the tire tracks as well as well as were as well um and so the vehicle was
00:30:20
traced to him and he was arrested. And during his interrogation, he confessed to all four murders.
00:30:26
He pled not guilty by reason of insanity. And a doctor testified that he had mild autism,
00:30:35
obsessive compulsive disorder, and paraphilia. At one point during the trial, the judge,
00:30:41
Thomas C. Hastings, had to leave the courtroom so he could compose himself in private because
00:30:46
the testimony was so fucked up. He returned several minutes later, red-faced and misty-eyed.
00:30:52
A judge. The circumstances of this case are horrendous and devastating, he said before announcing the
00:30:58
sentence. Carrie was found sane and convicted of four counts of first-degree murder by a jury
00:31:04
in 2001. He was sentenced to death and is still in San Quentin. He claimed after his arrest, so everyone's
00:31:12
like, did you did you get these murderous tendencies because of the stuff with your brother
00:31:16
and all this like horrible stuff that happened as a kid. But he said after he was arrested,
00:31:22
he had fantasized about murdering women since he was seven years old, long before the abduction of his brother.
00:31:28
So what are the chances like those two traumatic fucked up things are going to happen in one family?
00:31:33
So awful. Okay. And then I went on Facebook and found a hometown murder from a reader.
00:31:41
So I'm going to read it. Okay. So Taylor C says, in June of 1999, I was 11 and my brother was eight.
00:31:48
My family and I went on a road trip to Yosemite from LA and, all caps, stayed in the Cedar Lodge Motel.
00:31:56
This is, for everyone, this is right between the murder of the three women and the murder of a single woman.
00:32:02
Like months before, like months in between. Oh, man. Around 930 at night, my brother and I were watching Batman and Robin and we get a knock at the door.
00:32:10
My mom looks through the people, sees some dude and asks what he wants. He says, pizza delivery.
00:32:16
We had already eaten, so we knew no one had ordered a pizza. My mom tells him as much and he insists that we did.
00:32:23
My mom tells him that he must have been mistaken, but he keeps insisting. After a certain point, my mom walks away and assumes he did as well.
00:32:30
Several minutes of knocking later, my mom calls the hotel management. He must have heard her on the phone because when they showed up, he was gone.
00:32:38
my mom filed a police report but nothing really ever came of it when i i think when they caught
00:32:44
him she beat she was briefly interviewed but because she didn't get a good look at him she
00:32:48
wasn't useful in the case to think my brother and i could have died while watching arnold laying down
00:32:54
some truly excellent ice puns because they were watching where'd it go batman and robin
00:33:00
fucked up shit was was it did she say it was just her mom it was her brother and her mom
00:33:08
her and her brother and her mom so like he spotted like moms with kids yeah he must have
00:33:17
targeted them man but why would you do it again in the same i mean i guess you didn't get caught
00:33:22
yeah you didn't get caught and you're cocky and he has still has the fantasy like he still has
00:33:28
it's the compulsion and then there's sometimes that thing of like maybe you wanted to get caught
00:33:31
yes well it surprised me when you said that he cried when he was talking about that first girl well when that when during the trial when a lot of the stuff is being
00:33:42
or when he was listening to his own testimony he would he would plug up his ears and cry like he
00:33:47
couldn't listen to it even though when he was giving that information during the um interrogation
00:33:54
he was like like dead you know emotionally dead wow so either that was just for the just for the
00:34:00
show for the jury oh that's true or you know maybe he was on anti psychotics or something at that
00:34:08
point and understood or if he was like yeah he was like hadn't processed anything yeah he was
00:34:14
confessing yeah okay we're back georgia are there any updates for this story yeah there are some
00:34:23
You know, before today's episode, I was reading a bunch of articles about everything because I'm so curious personally about any other murders he may have committed that we don't know about.
00:34:36
And there's just still no information about that whatsoever. So that's kind of, I mean, I just, I feel like it has to be there.
00:34:43
But so Kerry Stainer is now 63 years old. He's still incarcerated at San Quentin.
00:34:48
and as I mentioned, they're looking into him for five other killings dating back to the 80s and
00:34:54
there's just including his own uncle and there's still nothing and he's never been charged in those
00:34:59
cases. And then the FBI later revealed that Carrie Stainer originally planned to murder his then
00:35:04
girlfriend, that he was dating at the time of these murders and her two children. And he attempted
00:35:10
three separate occasions but was derailed when he saw another person on the grounds where they lived
00:35:15
leading him to find his first victims at the Cedar Lodge Motel instead. And actually, one of the
00:35:21
little girls, one of the daughters of the then girlfriend has come forward and talked about him
00:35:27
as like the perfect, you know, stepdad type. And they had no clue whatsoever, of course, you know,
00:35:35
and then her horrible survivor's guilt that she had and just how awfully it affected her life's
00:35:42
really moving. But yeah, in general, that's just like, just such a fuck story. It just it so dark and so odd The like because I think someone in this story he was arrested and then someone asked him if he got his murderous tendencies because of what happened to his brother And he was like no I been fantasizing about murder since I was seven years old So dark Just terrible I know I think there a really
00:36:09
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00:39:18
going to talk about and it's very entertaining even though he is also a murderer um he is
00:39:26
more a con man which i actually kind of adore you're like a mobster who won't kill women and
00:39:33
children yes you're like you know what you know when you can like pick and choose the bad like
00:39:39
this is the kind that I like where for the most part now he is a borderline personality I think
00:39:47
extreme narcissist there they have all kinds of um you know the psychiatrist talked about what he
00:39:52
was in court but he basically what it was he was a guy who grew up in Germany as a very awkward teen
00:40:02
in this documentary they talk about um how he when all their friends would go to like the to the lake
00:40:08
every summer he would always go but he would be fully dressed up and he would never they never
00:40:14
saw him in a bathing suit because it's hitler that man's name was mr adolf marie hitler um
00:40:24
no this was uh well he was born christian carl uh gerhardt schreiter um but he had
00:40:37
many names in his long con career he also went by the name chris chichester chris crow uh chip
00:40:45
smith and finally clark rockefeller heir to the rockefeller you know this guy what's the documentary
00:40:52
called it's called my friend rockefeller yeah i never got through it so tell me everything it is
00:40:58
here it's worth getting to the part where clark rockefeller or chris chichester or chip smith
00:41:06
or Chris Crow is my favorite because when he was Chris Crow, he claimed to be a relative of Cameron Crowe.
00:41:14
He does all these lies that are just small enough. They're big enough to impress you,
00:41:20
but small enough to be believable. Right. And it is masterful. And he's a really legitimately IQ style intelligent person,
00:41:29
but he also doesn't really have any morals. So most of the time everything's fine
00:41:34
because he's just trying to get money and like work for himself and get what he wants.
00:41:40
But fair enough. And doesn't he make like everyone happy around him too? Like everyone thinks he's so funny and cool.
00:41:44
For a little while. Yeah. I think the limit's two years that people are happy around this guy.
00:41:49
Then he starts getting real irritating. And that's when he gets kicked out of houses,
00:41:53
fired from jobs what have you But so this is basically how it goes He grows up as an awkward teen in Germany He has a group of friends And in the documentary the friends get interviewed And what I loved is
00:42:06
one of the friends goes, I love that he tricked all those rich Americans. And that part made me
00:42:12
go, oh, yeah, that's true. He really did get away with huge, huge lies for a really long time.
00:42:18
Yeah. So here's basically how it went. He also claimed to be these are all the things he claimed to be an actor, a producer, a director, an art collector, a physicist, a ship's captain, a negotiator of international debt agreements and an English aristocrat.
00:42:33
aristocrat he was he did it all so um when he was 17 he met an american couple who had pulled off
00:42:42
and asked him for directions on the side of the road and he met them got their names and then
00:42:50
when he wanted to go to america uh when he was 17 he used their names on the like entrance documents
00:42:57
to say that they had invited him there and he was going to go live with them smart this was a one-off
00:43:02
meeting on like the side of the road and those people are also in this documentary it's pretty
00:43:06
awesome um so he comes to the united states and he goes to meriden connecticut and he finds the
00:43:15
family of a backpacker he met once on a train in germany i can't even talk to the person sitting
00:43:20
next to me on an airplane i have a hard time talking to people i've known for 20 years
00:43:25
yeah much less asking people if you can go stay at their parents house oh my god i asked Vince if
00:43:32
i can like eat some of his chips because i feel bad about it i can't imagine being like can i stay
00:43:37
at your place we met once and just weird and uncomfortable no um okay so he explains to them
00:43:45
that he is from a very wealthy german family and that he um is in america like he's a foreign
00:43:52
exchange student and can he stay with them because he's going to be going to the local high school
00:43:57
basically he starts going to high school in Connecticut and basically his whole thing is
00:44:02
he wants to be American he wants to blend in he becomes obsessed with Gilligan's Island and he
00:44:07
starts talking like Thurston Halbifer oh that's cool and when he appears in this documentary
00:44:12
that's who he's talking like and it wasn't until I was reading this article where they mentioned
00:44:18
this specifically where I started laughing because they don't talk about in the documentary
00:44:21
he does talk about it but they talk about it like it's an inside he goes the um the guy who uh makes
00:44:30
the documentary who was friends with him brings it up but they don't like he the um clark rockefeller
00:44:37
like kind of brushes it off like oh yeah yeah yeah but he totally sounds like him but he's talking
00:44:42
like oh my god that's perfect and he's basically saying like it's the funniest but also it's that
00:44:49
thing where I don't like to usually I don't like to listen to killers especially I never watch
00:44:56
anything where the serial killer is talking I don't give a fuck what that guy has to say he's
00:45:01
evil this guy's different though because he's a con man first yeah and foremost yeah even though
00:45:07
yes he's an he's a bad person killer all of that but he is a fascinating mind because he was smart
00:45:15
enough to like in as a teen con all these people so he goes he goes to this high school um he uh
00:45:24
he decides that he wants to be an actor so he heads west but he makes it as far as wisconsin
00:45:30
and he decides he's going to go to the university of wisconsin at milwaukee um so once he's there
00:45:38
um he decides he needs to he's been in in the united states long enough where he needs a green
00:45:44
card basically needs to become a citizen so he decides he's going to marry a local 22 year old
00:45:50
woman um who he explains to her that he he needs the green card because if he gets sent back
00:45:57
to germany he will have to fight in the cold war on the russian front now if you knew anything about anything i mean and i barely know anything about anything but when i
00:46:11
read that i was like hey wait a second pretty sure the cold war didn't have a front right because the
00:46:17
cold war was all about tensions right and basically threats there's no such thing as there was no
00:46:22
russian front in the cold war no i mean there were places to go there were bad things happening
00:46:27
definitely he if the idea was that he was going to get sent back to like east berlin and have to
00:46:32
spy on his neighbors yes horrible but there was no russian front prisoner of war because of or not
00:46:37
a prisoner of war of a accused of war crimes yes like a political prisoner yeah but there was no
00:46:44
the russian front was from world war ii yeah that was a bad bad place to be sure anyway she fell for
00:46:50
it and married him and the next day he left for california so i was like was she was she
00:47:00
in agreement and fine with it but then later i read that she filed for divorce in 1992
00:47:07
11 years later what maybe she was like needed him maybe she's like a lesbian and like
00:47:12
needed to appease her family story yeah oh i didn't even think about that i was i immediately
00:47:18
wrote the story of she was just heartbroken and like pining in milwaukee oh for this fabulous
00:47:24
European that bailed on her the day after because it said their wedding. So it sounded like it wasn't
00:47:31
just the basics like City Hall signs and papers. Like they had a wedding. Oh, no. That's sad.
00:47:39
A little crazy. All right. So he or maybe she like is like me and is just bad about paperwork
00:47:45
and doesn't get shit done in time. She's like, oh, that's right. I have to get divorced. Yeah,
00:47:49
I'll do it when I meet someone else. I'll do it when I have good reason that she's on Tinder,
00:47:53
swiping, swiping, swiping. Come on. So he heads out to California. Now this is...
00:48:00
It's so fascinating. He goes to San Marino. Now, I don't know if you've ever been to Huntington
00:48:05
Gardens. Oh, you're from down here. You know, San Marino is like so Pasadena is a rich area
00:48:09
that very few people I know live in because it's like old money, rich. You know, you have to live
00:48:15
out of the city. San Marino is richer than Pasadena. It's the it's the city nestled up
00:48:21
right next to Pasadena where all the mansions are. It's gorgeous. It's crazy. So this is a guy
00:48:28
who's in his early 20s, like college age. He's moving to LA to be an actor and he moves to San Marino to get,
00:48:35
it doesn't make sense. San Marino, I looked it up. It was rated more expensive than Beverly Hills and Malibu to live in.
00:48:47
So it just is nonsensical for like a young actor type to live there. Sure. But that's what he was about.
00:48:54
He was like a total, he was Thurston Howell III And he was trying to go become that person in like a very real way.
00:49:01
Yeah. So he got he rented the guest house that was in one of the least nice houses in all of San Marino.
00:49:10
There was there is actually a slightly shabby part, which is just basically not million dollar homes.
00:49:16
And in one of those houses, a woman named Didi Sohas had a guest house on her property.
00:49:26
dd reportedly was an alcoholic who was always dressed in a house coat which sounds like hey
00:49:33
sister high five yeah um and dd had a son named john who was five foot five super into dungeons
00:49:41
and dragons coke bottle glasses and was married to a woman named linda who was six a six foot tall
00:49:47
redhead um they sound like fucking our type of people they are they are our type of people yeah
00:49:53
They lived in like the house adjacent. So it was almost like this little compound.
00:49:59
And Clark Rockefeller at the time, his name was, let's see, his name here was Christopher Chichester.
00:50:06
Okay. Which is the dumbest made up name of all time. That sounds like when I said, what was it?
00:50:11
Nancy St. Nancy? Nancy St. Stacy? That wasn't as bad as Chichester. That's not as bad as Chris Chichester.
00:50:21
Yeah. just it's like you stuttered three times yeah throw more seas in there you dork so okay so he
00:50:28
shows up in san marino he get he's he's he's charming everybody and what he tells them is
00:50:35
that not only is he a computer expert a film producer and a stockbroker he is also the nephew
00:50:40
of lord mount batten so what i kind of do like about this all is all the people that get tricked
00:50:47
by this guy are people who are label whores and status whores so anyone that's like impressed by
00:50:55
impressed by someone talking like thirst and hell the third and saying i'm i'm related to lord lord
00:51:01
mount baton yeah where like in my family if you said that it'd be like we'll go do the dishes
00:51:07
it'd be like really lord mount baton yeah can you go get some more beer out of the downstairs
00:51:11
refrigerator right um but it's the it's a lot of people and especially that's why he was going to
00:51:18
places like san marino you go to places where people work in those worlds and those are the
00:51:22
people that are most impressed by you know you're all rich well i'm a blue blood well i'm a royal
00:51:27
i'm actually royalty yeah there's someone that can come in and beat them at their own game what's
00:51:32
more interesting than that so uh the locals said he was a whiz at everything he uh proved especially
00:51:41
popular with the women who were very charmed by his royal bloodline and his courtly manners
00:51:45
one of the women said he knew everything about everything and he was just fabulous okay so it's
00:51:51
not just a an act he's really getting away with it and he was very very smart he sounds like it
00:51:57
so um so in 1985 tragedy strikes this is two years after chris moves into um this so hus the
00:52:09
Sohus' house, Didi's son Jonathan and his wife Linda go missing without a trace. Chris tells
00:52:18
everybody that they told him that they were going to go to Europe. The family got a postcard from
00:52:23
France, supposedly from the couple after the disappearance, but its authenticity has been
00:52:29
questioned um and so soon after they disappear didi so has disinherited her son who was beloved
00:52:40
to her up until that point um the police think that she was convinced that he had abandoned her
00:52:47
and after when didi died they found that 180 000 of her estate had been looted her entire state
00:52:54
sorry her entire estate was worth 180 000 and all of it had been taken oh that's so sad so
00:53:01
dungeons and dragons dungeons and dragons um in the late i just say that like it's i mean something
00:53:09
by it i know dungeons and dragons yeah but we know what you mean in the late 80s police pull
00:53:16
christopher chichester over in uh greenwich connecticut he's driving jonathan so has his
00:53:23
truck oh um the police he leaves the area before police can interview him i don't know what that
00:53:32
means if he's like oh well thanks everybody is thanks for pulling me over great to see you and
00:53:36
just drives away i'm not sure or if they meant i come to the neighborhood sounds like the
00:53:42
neighborhood right it's just weird because if you've got him there and he's driving so maybe
00:53:47
they just had the information that it was that truck and they didn't put it together till later
00:53:50
Yeah. But I looked it up. Greenwich in the year 2000 Greenwich was the third wealthiest town in Connecticut So he just going East Coast Now he going to do this on the East Coast Big money Yeah So he rents a post office box in Greenwich under the name Christopher C Crow
00:54:11
CCC. He loves the C. He does. He literally walked into the Indian Harbor Yacht Club like he owned the place.
00:54:19
Oh, my God. So this is a rich town that has a yacht club. and he rolled up on in here's how he was described he looked like he walked out of a magazine he
00:54:29
always had his burberry winter coat burberry umbrella very fine cotton button-down white
00:54:34
shirts with ccc monogrammed on the pockets for christopher chichester crow always pristine
00:54:41
always perfect uh sounds like what you wear whenever you go out yep i i do have my button
00:54:48
down cake lk shirt on i'm so hot um someone else said he's talking to you as if he's smarter
00:54:57
wealthier more connected more everything than you no matter who you are fuck you so he's he's just
00:55:04
playing the rich game yeah and beating them at the rich game yeah because i think thirst and
00:55:09
held the third was the richest man on the planet so if that's who he is he's right yeah um so he
00:55:16
sleeps with a woman he so that basically his in and in greenwich was this yacht club okay he's he
00:55:23
starts sleeping with a woman who ends up getting him this really high level job um in town at a
00:55:30
broker dealer firm i don't know what that is i don't either i cut my eyes were skipping over the
00:55:35
part where it got into like finance but basically a huge finance job okay um you have to take two
00:55:42
tests to do this job one called the series seven and one calls the a series 63 there's seven it's
00:55:50
seven hours of questions holy shit and he passed it what the shit so he's not he's a very very very
00:55:57
intelligent person so now you know the brain that's being applied to conning people fair a
00:56:03
memorizer an absorber of personalities and information and the kind of person that will
00:56:08
tell you the perfect lie yeah he's lord mount baton's nephew he's not anybody's son he's there's
00:56:16
nothing direct um so all right so he's he stays at this job for two years oh my god but he's super
00:56:26
um people don't at first it's interesting that they have this royalty working there after two
00:56:32
years they're sick of hearing him talk and he did the ultimate uh wrong move which was the boss the
00:56:39
guy that hired him who was the president of the company wanted to access his own computer and
00:56:46
chris wouldn't tell him how to do it because he thought if i'm the only one that knows how to do
00:56:50
it and you don't know oh i will never get fired instead the guy in charge was like get the fuck
00:56:56
out of here and somebody else is going to teach me how to get into my computer weird well from there
00:57:02
he gets a better job oh my god so he gets fired from that job and then he gets hired at a place
00:57:07
called nico i don't it's another one of these like wall street jobs yeah karen this is not our
00:57:14
universe it i'm not interested in it i don't like it nope i don't care but essentially he does great
00:57:21
there too for a couple years but he a couple people were on to him this is all in the documentary
00:57:27
because he would ask he'd ask a question like um do you have you ever sold one of these and the guy
00:57:33
that he asked the question to is in the documentary who's like that'd be like asking a dentist do you
00:57:38
know what a bicuspid is like it's one of the basics so that guy was like i was pretty sure
00:57:42
something was going on yeah um and then of course by the end everyone's just he's bragging and he's
00:57:49
you know, an asshole to everybody. Um, so he gets fired from there. Uh, then, um, he goes to another
00:57:58
company, a bigger company. So he gets a better job. Each firing, he just is, is failing upwards.
00:58:04
Um, but this is the job where they finally, uh, do a background check. Oh no, sorry. Two years
00:58:10
after he got dismissed from the first place, they finally look him up. They run his social security
00:58:17
number and the social security number that he gave was david berkowitz's the son of sam shut the
00:58:24
fuck up that is the coolest part it's amazing so it's kind of like saying if you check my shit go
00:58:31
fuck yourself but no one ever did until after he left yeah okay so holy shit that's cool it's crazy
00:58:38
so in this third the third job um someone at the third job finally looks into his background
00:58:46
while he still works there and finds out that he is a person of interest in a missing persons case
00:58:52
in california how did that guy feel when he saw that i mean probably nervous but stoked yeah excited
00:58:59
and then hungry because it was right before who knows um so the greenwich police and the
00:59:06
connecticut state police show up at this job but that day christopher chichester no sorry
00:59:14
Christopher Crowe now. Christopher Crowe didn't show up for work that day because he was on to
00:59:18
them. He knew, but he called in to say he needed time off because his parents had been kidnapped
00:59:24
in either Pakistan or Japan. Just say you don't feel well. Well, and also that's where your lies
00:59:30
are getting a bit big. Yeah. Like pick one. Yeah. It's Pakistan. Yeah. But you have a hangover. Yeah.
00:59:37
Or you're, yeah, you, you broke one of your teeth and you're out for a couple of days.
00:59:41
cuspid you have about your bike husband um so he disappears from greenwich connecticut and he
00:59:49
reappears in new york city in 1992 and where does he go where did john list go when he had to start all over in a new town the church church You show say it with me church Church You show up at church Wow With your song and dance
01:00:06
Yeah. And you have a built-in community of people who are going to trust you. Totally.
01:00:11
Keep your eyes peeled, churchies. So he rolls up. This is now when he has begun.
01:00:17
Keep your eyes peeled, churchies. I say that as if that's something that's important.
01:00:25
this is now when he's become Clark Rockefeller. So he's in New York city and he's introducing himself as a Rockefeller.
01:00:32
That seems like something you'd want to introduce yourself anywhere, but in New York city.
01:00:35
Well, but here's the thing. He knows the difference. So he specifies to these people at this church that he is from the Percy
01:00:44
Rockefeller side, not John D. John D is the one that he's crazy rich. Percy still is super rich,
01:00:51
but not John D level. So he, he always goes right under yeah you know he goes in with the claim that's right believable enough
01:00:59
yeah we're still talking millions of dollars crazy old american blue blood money it still
01:01:06
would impress people like my mom oh he's a rockefeller you know oh my grandmother used to
01:01:10
say like she'd go pick that penny up off the floor we're not the rockefeller totally that was like a
01:01:15
total grandma saying yeah she also said a lot of racist stuff that i won't repeat so don't listen
01:01:22
She was a good person at heart. It was just the times. Make America great again.
01:01:27
All right. He claimed to have gone to Yale like when he was 14. He had a Yale scarf with the blue stripes.
01:01:36
He said he had one of the J boats from his grandparents, which was a classic 30s sailing yacht.
01:01:42
Yeah, I do too. Yeah. Don't we all? so basically what he learned is that if you joined private clubs in a big city
01:01:53
and they're all like clubs no one's ever even heard of the low dose and stuff like that where
01:02:00
i'm like oh yeah i'm clearly as working class as you can get will never be no no more close
01:02:06
we'll never be asked to no and they're not going to ask us no i don't think so but this is where
01:02:11
the Vanderbilts and the Whitney's and the Roosevelt's and the Rockefellers, they've all
01:02:14
been socializing since the 1800s. So he learns the kind of language of private clubs and those
01:02:21
people. And then all of his lies become believable because he's speaking their language and saying
01:02:28
the stupid shit that they all say to each other over cucumber sandwiches. It's all whispering
01:02:33
about cash. Yeah. Transactions. Lots of trends. Yeah. Bonds. Bonds. War bonds. War bonds. Polio.
01:02:43
Polo. Polo. Polo. I meant polio. I meant polio. You meant the disease. Yeah. Because Roosevelt
01:02:53
have that yeah you got to talk about it right um where am i so oh sorry i lost my place and i'm hallucinating from the heat i'm so sorry no it's here there's
01:03:07
nothing you can do so oh i was on the totally wrong page i tried to do that scrolling thing
01:03:13
that i do all right so okay so he married in 1995 he marries a woman that he met through
01:03:22
St. Thomas Church, this church that he went to. And she was a Harvard MBA who rose to be one of the
01:03:28
youngest partners in history at McKinsey. I don't know what that is. Law firm? Probably.
01:03:35
She had a $2 million salary. She was like a legendary businesswoman. Fuck, man. He
01:03:40
meets her at church. They hit it off and they get married. He has a way with the ladies.
01:03:48
Yeah. He explains to her that none of his family is going to be at the wedding because there had been an argument and uh he had disinvited all of
01:03:59
them so he has no family there her flag but he marries into her family and they have a child
01:04:06
named ray which i actually like that name for a girl ray ray r-e-i-g-h oh um that's cute he
01:04:13
nicknamed her snooks snooks um which may have been something thurston how the third called his
01:04:20
wife snooks yeah uh he'd insisted on raising her and educating her himself i would love to meet and talk to her oh my god she's the coolest um so anyway they ultimately
01:04:34
get divorced and she the wife has to pay him eight hundred thousand dollars in alimony
01:04:41
and he won the the white there but she sorry she won the right to raise ray to in london
01:04:51
so in 2008 a court supervised visit in boston rockefeller kidnaps ray oh no so she's seven
01:05:00
years old um there he's meeting up with ray and the um court appointed like social worker basically
01:05:08
and he runs up pushes that woman over grabs the little girl and jumps into a car and drives away
01:05:15
um the the social worker actually ran after and grabbed on to the back bumper of the car for like
01:05:23
a little bit trying to do something about it um but don't worry he was he lived for this little
01:05:30
girl he just wanted her in his life he wasn't gonna harm her in any way i know that everyone
01:05:37
in this documentary says it like they would never he worshipped her and and he he she was everything
01:05:43
and they and he got caught two weeks later okay so the but there was he he had set up a new identity
01:05:51
um in baltimore that where he was going to become chip smith a professional yacht captain and catamaran designer But he got caught immediately He was in 2009
01:06:06
He was convicted and sentenced to four to five years for abducting his daughter and two to three years for the assault on the social worker who did
01:06:14
get injured by that SUV that he had waiting. but um we'll circle back around now because in 1994 um the new owners of the so huss's house
01:06:31
in san marino were digging to build a new pool and they found two bodies oh no deep deep underneath
01:06:39
the ground in the backyard at the so huss's house and um it was the family members said the bones
01:06:48
matched Jonathan Sohas's general description, but he was adopted. So they couldn't do a family DNA match.
01:06:57
So she adopts this kid and he's this like great nerd. She loves him so much. But she's kind of a loser.
01:07:06
And then he takes off. But then he finds love in a six foot redhead. And they're kind of this mismatched couple
01:07:15
that are making it happen. and then she thinks he just leaves her yes oh that's the saddest thing i've ever heard the
01:07:22
the so forensic evidence showed that the victim who's jonathan had been struck in the head two
01:07:30
times with a rounded blunt object then stabbed six times holy his body had been cut into three
01:07:36
parts and the body parts had been put into book bags from the university of wisconsin and from usc
01:07:44
where um chris chachang clark all these people he had actually sat in on film classes never
01:07:53
registered as a student but he used to go to usc and go to classes he just wasn't actually a student
01:07:59
and so um that circumstantial evidence combined with the fact that he was arrested driving
01:08:06
jonathan's truck in greenwich uh basically convicted him of murder um sorry they there
01:08:13
was only one body buried in the backyard they never found linda linda um where do you think she
01:08:19
is well the police suspect that clark had an affair with linda oh no because basically he
01:08:27
clark thought he was in with dd and thought that he was going to get her money and get the house
01:08:33
and be in san marino and like have his life yeah and then jonathan and linda were basically what
01:08:39
were standing in the way of that. And he thought, you know, I'll get, this is just this crazy old
01:08:46
drunk lady. I'm going to get her to sign everything over to me. And then I'm going to have the life
01:08:51
I want. And then Linda and Jonathan are just like, you need to move out of here. And basically that's
01:08:57
where it started. So he, the theory is that he tried to break them up as a couple and then he
01:09:02
murdered Jonathan. So Linda might be out in the world. They think she's dead. Yeah. She's dead.
01:09:08
yeah they just think that he brought the body somewhere else that's so sad i believe yeah um
01:09:14
he was charged with jonathan's murder uh any and the trial was in april 2013 and he was convicted
01:09:22
of first degree murder uh and he's now in some weird jail and ironwood jail in blythe california
01:09:29
wow can i see a photo of him yeah i want to see him like a mug shot it's so funny because when
01:09:38
they talk about like that he's good looking and stuff or that he had a way with the ladies nope
01:09:44
well let's see is he hot i mean to each his own oh my god he's like a nerd he's well and also when
01:09:52
you see him talking it's even worse he's got no mouth because he kind of talks like this it's like
01:09:58
somebody in a bad like mustard commercial where you're like what why would you talk like that he
01:10:03
looks like he is a character in the simpsons yeah like he's oh no where's his mouth he's just kind of
01:10:10
um you know i'm sure he was insecure as a teen sure and all of that plus being really smart
01:10:18
you know yeah just made up for i don't see him being a ladies man but good for him it's all in
01:10:24
the brains brains brains brains brains brains brains we should thank steven yeah thank you
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You've been killing it. We appreciate it. Elvis is sitting there waiting. Elvis, it's your big chance.
01:10:41
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01:10:56
Don't get murdered. Okay, we're back. Karen, any updates? There are updates. I recently listened to a podcast about this story.
01:11:10
It was like one of those anthology podcasts. It was like a bunch of, it was almost like, here's a bunch of rich crimes or whatever.
01:11:17
And then it was this guy is like, he isn't really rich, but it is. So I just recently kind of revisited this and it's just like, God, this is, it's just insane.
01:11:28
So after numerous denied appeals, Clark Rockefeller, quote unquote, was transferred to San Quentin in December of 2016. And so he's there now. He stays busy painting and he's a journalist for the San Quentin News.
01:11:43
So with good time credits, he'll be eligible for parole in December of 2029. He'll be 68 years old if he gets paroled then. And his daughter, Ray, has since changed her name and she lives a private life, which is good for her.
01:12:00
How wild is it that both of the murderers in this story are in San Quentin right now, as we're speaking?
01:12:06
Oh, yeah. Do you think they fucking know each other? I would think they do, only because aren't the infamous killers, like, treated slightly differently?
01:12:16
Yeah, they're, like, held separately for some reason. Or get protection, maybe, if they might need it.
01:12:21
I don't know. Who knows? Shit. I definitely don't know, but that's, yeah, that's crazy observation.
01:12:27
It's so creepy. Okay, so this episode was originally titled, as we have said many times, the fuckword murder mystery show.
01:12:34
And if we were naming it today, which, you know, that's a classic name, what would we call it based on something we said in this episode?
01:12:40
So the quietest girls on the podcast, because that's us, obviously us. Yes, we're so quiet and demure.
01:12:49
Excuse me, which is what Georgia, she's talking about saying a spoiler without warning and it's like burping without saying excuse me before or after.
01:12:57
Which if that the case we have burped and burped and burped literally and figuratively all the way through this show We have never said spoiler alert before our burps for sure I remember people getting mad about that and putting it in like on social media
01:13:11
Really? Oh. And me kind of. Because of spoilers? Yeah, in the beginning. Oh. Like, can you please say spoiler alert?
01:13:16
And it's just like, yeah, no. Like, you have to. It's the standing spoiler alert.
01:13:22
Right. We're going to ruin it for you. Right. It's also like, OK, but did that air like five weeks ago?
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So that's the life I'm willing to live if I want a totally fresh experience. Yeah.
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