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Hello and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia. Because you see, every Wednesday, we take the time to recap our old episodes for you, but we add all new commentary, we add updates, and we add insights.
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And today we're recapping episode 31, which we named Namaste Sexy. Such a good name.
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So good. So now join us as we take you back to August 25th, 2016. And now you can be a day one listener just like we are.
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So let's listen to the intro of episode 31. Well, it doesn't matter if you're ready, Steve.
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as we be right like the real us is just be rating steven steven includes uh seven second uh just
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me reaming him before the episode it's like a um what's it called when you're a hostage
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and you're like trying to send a message to the outside world yeah that's all stockholm syndrome
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yeah that's right steven has really bad stockholm syndrome um evil we are uh starting now
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welcome to my favorite murder Karen I'm just gonna yell at your name Karen Georgia
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we started the podcast how do you feel so far I can't stop I'm great how are you
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I don't know if you've ever asked me how I was like that how are you how are you really
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let's have a moment of vulnerability I feel a lot of anxiety about, gosh, so many things.
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You know that weird Wednesday feeling? We're recording this on Wednesday. Will we get up in time?
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Yeah. You know, job stuff. I drink too much coffee all day. Oh, you're dead. Am I drinking too much Diet Coke
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to the point where I'm killing myself? How many do you drink? Diet Coke? Yeah. Oh, it's only like 23 a day.
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I like that every episode now you have to admit, like you have to confess something
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you do that's like because you had told us you smoked cigarettes last time I mean I very rarely
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it's not like I wouldn't call that it's not a thing it's just that's like my secret sneak away
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once in a while I think you're in denial I know what's your big reveal oh uh what's a good one
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what's a good one it's a fun one I have adult acne okay that sucks I can relate to that yeah
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I don't like that. That's about it. That's all you're willing to give? No, I mean, my life is a fucking ope.
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I have nothing that I hide. I feel like that's, I think people can, it helps people lock in to our humanity.
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Yeah. When we're just sitting here going, you know. Gross, disgusting, horrible humanity.
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Check out this hideousness. And make it a podcast. Gross. It better be a podcast.
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I don't want to look at it. we're getting a lot of is very enjoyable and of course
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feeding the ego a lot of people are doing like fan art picture yes things of us which
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the thing the thing I enjoy the most yeah is they always give me a huge nose I don't think I have
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a huge nose do they you don't have a huge nose I think I have a pretty buttony nose
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you have a cute little button nose I mean thank you I just wanted you to say that
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I've noticed, yeah, I have a large jaw in them, which I actually have an undersized jaw,
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hence my Invisalign. That's right. But thank you. But you know what? But thank you.
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We're the most ungrateful assholes of all time. We have a couple notes. Can you draw us better, please?
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Draw me. I know it's a lot smaller. Listen, if you want to make it onto Instagram.com
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slash my favorite murder, you got to draw us true to life. There's some really good ones of us.
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Really awesome drawings. Yeah. We're like, you look at it and go, oh my God, this looks like we have a comic book.
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Yeah. Which is super cool. So thank you so much. You're fucking backpedaling so hard right now.
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I know. I'm embarrassed. Don be Go to the Instagram and you see a bunch of like we post that shit all the time We post all of them We post everything that we see and find that you guys send us I love it all A lot of people made us new logos that say the fuck word murder mystery show which we really love and appreciate
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That was so great. That was good times. Yeah. And also, I just wanted to mention on the Twitter page, we got a quote, a million shout outs from Sweden.
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these guys who have a podcast called the power meeting podcast sent us a tweet that said a
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million shout outs from Sweden which I didn't know until I read it that that's all I've ever
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wanted in my life was a million shout outs from Sweden also Australia loves us fuck yeah Australia
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we were number five in Australia that's amazing that's a big that's a big place right they must
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not be about accuracy down there because I feel like everything I've ever said about Australia on
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this podcast has been deeply wrong. Well, we did an Australian murder once. So maybe that's why.
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Oh, that's right. They like love us for doing that. Because there's some good ones there.
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There are some amazing ones. Yours was, it was the son who washed his clothes before he did
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anything. Yeah. He murdered, he went on a paper route, murdered his fucking family,
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blamed his dad, washed his clothes. Or was that New Zealand? Fuck. No, I think it was Australia. Watch the numbers plummet.
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Oh my God. Why did I even bring this up? I don't know. I brought it up. Oh, okay. This is all your...
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Oh, also, we got a tweet from GlitterPizza91, God bless your heart, that said, why not at the end of every murder,
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why don't you ring a gong? Which I read out of context, just read as a random tweet,
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and it made me laugh very hard. Then I understood, I saw a bunch of other tweets
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that said, what's that noise? What's that creepy, spooky noise that we keep hearing?
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and it was we got steven set us up with these awesome mic stands yeah they look like what you
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see like real radio people yeah so we don't have to like touch our mics and make noise anymore
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but what we did was we touched the mic stands and we were making the springs because i can't sit
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still right is that super loud that's it it's perfect okay yeah that's the sound listen i have
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add i think right at least that's what my psychiatrist tells me okay i can't fucking sit
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still. I want to move around. I know. But it's, you know, I'm going to sacrifice fat for the
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podcast. Well, we really appreciate it. Thank you. I'm going to speak for everybody. Thank you.
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And myself. You have a button nose. Thank you. And two eyes made out of coal. We also had, we just ended our last t-shirt sales and we are giving half the money to
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endthebacklog.org. Nice. How much is that? Do I say? Because what if it's like, that's not,
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what if they're like, well, it was just a one month sale, right? We're sending two grand to
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endthebacklog.org. That's great, right? That's good. It's two more than they fucking had before.
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I got so freaked out when I posted like, hey, we're going to get 50% to end the backlog because
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I expected people, this is the opposite of what happened, but I expected people to be like,
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only 50%? You're being so greedy. And then all these people were like, that's so incredible.
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I'm like, oh, okay. I'm just being hard on myself. Yes. I mean, I think it's just weird
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to be in this position where you can actually put something out, have people buy it, and then
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actually give money. That's like a neat, cool thing. But also we've never done it before.
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Right. So everything feels wrong and bad and weird. Is there anything else that you love right now? Anything going on in the news? We know
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JonBenet's brother is good. Oh, did you watch? Yes. You and I both looked at each other at the exact same moment.
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Watching that trailer? That JonBenet docu-series trailer. We have to watch it together. I insist you watch it.
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Can I tell you something? What? A magazine wants us to do a recap every night of it.
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That's awesome. I know. The trailer gave me freaking chills. Okay, we watched the trailer at work
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today. I love the people I work with because they're super into shit like this too.
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And when it got to the part, trailer spoiler, when it got to the part where they have
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reconstructed the Ramsey's house. The room by room recreated. Down to the detail of shit that was like leaning against the wall life changing these people are going
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these in these investigators these these very qualified people from all walks of criminal
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forensicness yeah criminality criminality they're going to be able to walk through and talk about
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and restage things that happened do you think they'll come to a conclusion it clearly what in
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the trailer you can tell that they're gonna they're like yeah there was no this is not an
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outside job motherfuckers i mean that's what they're leading you to believe that's true but
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and then like oh they're oh when they played the um when she hung up the phone and you can hear her
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in the background i still don't hear it do you have you listened to that you mean when they say
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like they reduced all the sound yeah and they hear her say i'm not talking to you yes i still
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don't hear it do you no but i feel like that's almost like one of those ghost investigation
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things where they're like do you hear it and then they put the subtitles and you're like i guess i
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hear if you want me to hear it i'll hear it totally i'll hear whatever you want yeah my thing was um
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because everybody at my job everybody pointed out like the thing that freaked them out or that they
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liked the most and mine was that when patsy ramsey said i love that child she did it with her eyes
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closed that was the creepiest part is both of them being both of them speaking was so fucking eerie
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Yeah. And to camera, like basically clearly some lawyers said, you have to go out there and tell
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these people you didn't kill your daughter and you have to make a statement. And when Patsy Ramsey
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said, I didn't kill my daughter. And then she closes her eyes and goes, I love that child.
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And then they stay closed. Like to me that I just love those. Like that means something. I don't
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know what it means. Also saying that child means something. Cause it's like, she's not saying my
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daughter JonBenet Yeah It like that child Yeah I love that child She can take take ownership of the thing Remember did you ever watch the show Lie to Me with Tim Roth where it was all about the person that read micro expressions and it was like a whole company
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No. Oh, I know someone who worked on it that I dated, so I didn't watch it. Oh, yeah, because you're mad?
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No, he was very nice. Oh. I don't want to step on his side. I just love that show because that kind of stuff
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of being able to interpret what people are really doing underneath how they mask it.
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When they point it out and they're like, would they like pause it and be like this thing right here and that thing oh i love that yeah
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yeah you should watch that show it's pretty good i don't know if it's on anything but okay well
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um did you catch up on the night of we've only got one episode left i gotta say you're out
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everyone telling me about stuff about it and talking to other people about it has made me
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want to watch it less you're so fucking punk rock georgia i swear to god you're just like
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Are you mean right now? No. I mean it in that way of like, you're just like, you know what?
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I don't have to like it if you like it. It's a good way to be. I respect it. But I think that's how,
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I think that's what it is where you're like, does everybody like it? Then everybody can fuck off.
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Well, what everyone's telling me about it, thank you. That actually means a lot to me.
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But what everyone's telling me about it is like, I don't care about the prison stuff.
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I want the trial stuff. And from what everyone, someone said to me, someone was like,
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and I'm not gonna take responsibility, but I don't remember who said it, was like,
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listen, I watched Orange is the New Black. I don't need to know what's going on in prison.
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Like, so did I. Totally the same. It's totally the same. I just like, I don't, I want to know the way that they find out how the investigation goes, how the trial goes.
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Stuff in prison, I don't care about. Right. I, you know what, I feel the same way because I find, and this is, you're going to, this is going to blow your mind.
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I find prison to be really depressing. So I don't want to know. What's wrong with you?
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I fear going there. Who hurt you as a child? A prisoner. It was a warden. Yeah, I don't like I know it's living hell. And there are many, many people in this country that are there. Yeah. And that's awful to me.
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Especially people are there that like, oh, it was really hard for me to watch him get taken in to get out.
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What's it called when you get processed in? Yeah. Because it's like no one gives a shit about you.
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And like immediately or just trash. Yeah. Like the way, you know, when you wait in line at a post office and you get to the next teller and you can tell they've had a hard day and they fucking hate everything.
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So you can smile and be like, hi, and be nice. And so they'll give you a better experience and be happier.
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Yeah. You can't do that in prison. What am I supposed to do? I didn't learn to be polite for nothing.
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Oh, it's like, I mean, and it is like, we talk a lot. We talk a big game about like, send them away. Because we talk about these specific stories where people cut off 15 year old girls arms and leave them to die. And these horrible cases. And of course, you want Larry Singleton to disappear from the planet. But the reality of a human being in a prison is a nightmare.
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And so I'm not saying I'm not a hypocrite or that I can't rectify those two things.
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But it's, yeah, watching it. What I love in that show is that they're laying in, it's just really good writing.
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And I really like to watch good writing. It makes me feel smart. And again, I'll say it for the millionth time.
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Riz Ahmed, I don't... Someone made a, I want his DNA inside me. A couple of people made a Valentine last week, I said.
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Your serial killer Valentine. Yeah. I said, I want his DNA inside me, meaning I want to have his baby because he's so cute
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that I want like that. But it just didn't sound like that. No, it's literally the most not cute kind of disgusting thing, but that's not what you meant.
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Okay. You know what I don't like about... I don't like innocent people in prison.
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People like Larry Singleton deserve to be in prison good, have a fucking horrible time.
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But innocent people, oh my God, that terrifies me. It's horrible and it happens and we all know what happens and it's incredibly stressful.
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Yeah. All right. But I like it. It's to me, it's worth the stress and there's things that are happening and are exciting.
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I won't not try it. It does disappoint me. I mean, I don't know what happened. Maybe I'll watch the last episode.
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Is that okay? Can I do that? Hey, it's your life. Jump in, jump out. I don't know.
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Yeah. Can they please bring the family back on ABC? That's all I ask. Is that all you want this Christmas?
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That's all I want for Hanukkah Christmas. All right. I think that's it, right? are you in got to be anything you need i got nothing yeah is this are we now 45 minutes in
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i'm first this week okay go tell me i am mine is short too so take your time okay we are back from the intro karen remember when podcasts used to just be audio and you can
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wear whatever you want you could sit however you want you just do you like i think that's really
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where that saying came from is some podcasts in 2016. It was a beautiful, glorious time of just being you.
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Do you think we would have started a podcast if we had known that video would have been, was like...
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I certainly, I can get my answer before you finish the sentence. Fuck no. Are you kidding?
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A middle-aged TV writer being like, yeah, let me get in there and make some clips
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and make some content for, what is it, Gen Alpha? No, thanks. Yeah. I mean, the one positive thing I can think of about it all is that I'm learning a lot of new makeup tips and tricks, which I didn't think I would do so late in life.
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I thought I'd have them all down, you know? But now you're what? What are you getting?
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Now my face is falling, and so I have to do different things to it. I meant what tricks have you learned?
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How to stop your face looking like it's fucking falling. What's the trick? I don't know.
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Bronzer? I think it's bronzer. And that's also like some kind of weird eyeshadow thing.
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Yeah. You know, just layering layers and layers of makeup. That do it Yeah Like make shadows if they don exist essentially Yeah No it been a nightmare Like I not a nightmare It great I lucky But like I gotten all my filler dissolved because like you can see the bumps on the video
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Like I can totally see everything that's wrong now. I mean, I feel like we've never been strangers to our own flaws and foibles.
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And then, yeah, it's just a new way of it's a fun thing. And it's like where podcasting is going.
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It's just kind of like the option that you need to give people. But it definitely is distracting.
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Yeah. And it distracts the mind as we perform. You know us, though. We change along with the times.
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We are with it. That's what we like to do. Right now, this show is not on video.
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So I'm wearing just a towel on my head just got out of the bathtub. I'm literally wearing a shirt that says bullshit on it really big.
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And this is what we're doing. That's it. All right. Well, I like how in that, we just did a new intro.
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Because there wasn't that much going on in this intro. Some of our old intros are just chock full of insanity.
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But this mostly is like that we are so stoked to only be audio. yeah and then me loving the night of and you not so much no we that was a long-running
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discussion or topic of discussion in this podcast i think it was like a first because i i remember
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and tell me if i'm wrong when we first talked about the night of we had both watched it
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like unplanned right so then it was like oh did you see it was that feeling yeah and then i lost
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interest but you know riz Ahmed kept doing it for you oh such a good show it was all right well
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should we get into your story and also like the reason this episode's called namaste sexy absolutely
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Goodbye. Goodbye. okay my mine is um i wish i had four months to research this because the first time i heard of
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this murder i thought oh who cares not not about the people but that's not my style like like as
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we've said a million times but like silence of the lambs is my ideal murder everything situation
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You've got a weird serial killer that's got an M.O. and a whole plan and a creepiness.
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And a whole plan. Has always been this crazy way. It's not like he's... It's not a one-off.
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It's not a crime of passion. It's not whatever. I find that extreme criminal mind thing fascinating.
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Okay. So when I first heard about this crime, I was like, oh, that's not my thing at all.
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And then, but it kept coming back like you, I would see it every once in a while looking for other stuff. And then I finally started looking into it and it is so fascinating.
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All right. So it's the Lululemon murder. Oh, yes. In Bethesda, Maryland. That is fascinating. I didn't know that.
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I know. That is definitely not one that I would have looked into. Okay. I'm excited.
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Me too. Thanks. Thank you. So I first heard of it, I think it was like a year ago or something.
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I was doing Tig Notaro's. Tig Notaro has a comedy festival every year called the Benson Ball in DC,
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which is where she's from. And so whoever was driving us to the theater that night, we drove down the street and we passed a Lululemon. I don't think it was the one we were driving by because Bethesda, I believe, is north of Washington, D.C. But he brought it up and told the story.
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Love him. And he basically just said, oh, did you hear about that really terrible crime that happened at Lululemon?
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It was really bad, you know, and it was basically one of the employees killed another one.
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And so I was just like, you know what? I know now we're talking yoga pants. We're talking karma, passion.
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I'm not interested in any of this. For anyone listening who doesn't know, Lululemon is a fucking high end.
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Kind of when I see girls wearing yoga pants with Lululemon, I'm like, oh, you spent a lot of money.
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on yoga pants and didn't buy him a Rite Aid. Yeah. Like, you're better than me. Crazy expensive.
00:25:18
Like, they're almost, it's like Louis Vuitton of yoga pants, which is a hilarious paradox
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of this is yoga. Yeah. And they have like the logo out so you can see them. Oh, hell yeah.
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You know what I mean? Yes. Instead of hiding your shame, they put it out there. Right.
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So when I first Googled this, a couple of Huffington Post articles came up and one that I really
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liked is by a girl named, believe it or not, Elizabeth Licorice. And great. That's a great
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stage name. Oh my God, she wins. Yeah. And she's amazing. She's all red and her skin is twisted.
00:25:55
Uh-huh. No, no, no. Cancel it. Stephen Mark. Delete that. Delete that. Stephen Mark that
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concept. Oh, okay. So she wrote an article called Lululemon's Cult Culture, Get Fit or Die Trying.
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So this girl started working at Lululemon. That's how you pronounce it, right? Yeah.
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Lululemon? I don't give a fucking shit. Okay, great. Sounds right. It's how it's spelled
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and that's what I assumed. Lululemon. Lululemon? I think it's Lululemon. But there's an extra...
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Lululemon would be... There's too many Lus. All right. So I think it's Lululemon.
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Let's call it... Let's not give a shit. Okay. All right. So... I think you're right.
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I think you're right. It has... This girl worked there and so she's talking about
00:26:39
what a creepy, like, culture this business has, which is very funny because like when I worked at the Gap in the
00:26:47
nineties and I only worked there for a year, I really hated it. But it is this thing where they
00:26:51
want you as a person that's getting paid shit and mostly working part-time so they don't have to
00:26:57
give you full-time benefits and all that stuff. But they still want you to really dig into this.
00:27:01
Yeah. This, um, the culture, the retail culture of like, and if you sell this, you'll get this and
00:27:08
we have to get our numbers up here. Meanwhile, Don Fisher, the owner at the time was making like
00:27:12
billions of dollars. Fuck you. I hate that. So I can see where that was in the 90s. It's now,
00:27:19
you know, 20 years later and they have refined this concept. So it's like branding and marketing
00:27:26
and, you know, lifestyle choices and it's all that. I bet it's the kind of thing where they
00:27:30
don't call you an employee. They call you like a team member or whatever the fuck. The Thighmaster.
00:27:34
so this girl yeah this girl worked there and talked about that she said lululemon wants you
00:27:43
to know it's elevating the world from mediocrity to greatness and creating components for people to
00:27:49
live long healthy and fun lives but if you dig deeper you find about yeah you can't do that and
00:27:54
fucking pants you've got a target come on man no no no no you have to get really superficial to
00:28:00
rise above media. But if you dig deeper, you'll find you'll learn about Landmark Forum.
00:28:08
No, they don't. Yes. Which is the ultra secretive, eerily cultish educational series,
00:28:14
which Lululemon employees are strongly encouraged to attend. Shut up. Yes. Now, I have a friend who did Landmark Forum and is like, I believe in it. I think it's great.
00:28:25
And I said, yeah, but isn't it a crazy pyramid scheme where you basically have to bring people
00:28:30
in and you spent thousands of dollars. And he goes, yeah, but I just didn't do that. Like I got what
00:28:34
I wanted and I left. And I'm like, well, you're, you're a strong willed person. Yeah. But I think
00:28:39
it's one of those things that like, it's like Est or anything that just, it makes money off of
00:28:43
people kind of going, this is the answer to my life. And then trying to get everyone they know
00:28:47
into it. So, so, so they encourage their employees to, uh, to go to the landmark forum,
00:28:54
which is bizarre to me. It's so bizarre. And before you're in line for Landmark,
00:28:59
you're bombarded with Brian Tracy motivational CDs and a book club that culminates with Atlas Shrugged.
00:29:06
Oh, shit. So it's not... It's so culty. It's like get that money and get yours and empowerment,
00:29:16
but in this weird culty way, which also it's like this is your job. This is your retail job.
00:29:21
Yeah. Yeah. So, she said all of it made walking into work feel like she was time traveling to Salem.
00:29:33
Because with the Lululemon Creed and catechism comes a collective mentality that thrives on scapegoats and leaves you feeling worthless if you subsist on anything but spring water and kale.
00:29:44
Once another employee sneered at me from across the floor and said the soda I happened to be enjoying would rot me from the inside out.
00:29:53
Eventually we were all issued reusable acrylic cups and forbidden to drink anything but water Oh my God stop it So this is I just trying to paint a little bit of a picture and I really encourage if you slightly interested in this
00:30:06
to look up these articles because it's pretty fascinating how many directions that goes in of...
00:30:14
Yeah, that sounds like a fun read. Yeah, well, and just the intensity of a retail job.
00:30:20
It bums me out so much to think that what people expect from you when they're not willing to give you any respect at all or right uh every about and when
00:30:31
you work there everything about you is inventoried and measured in terms of authenticity and integrity
00:30:36
which sounds reasonable until you realize your yoga mats on a sweaty slippery slope
00:30:41
that missing your extra that's this i'm still reading the article uh missing your extracurricular
00:30:46
kickboxing class taking too long to pee during your break or falling to throw or failing to throw
00:30:52
a kitchen party and then she says in parentheses don't ask what um in the fitting room means you're
00:30:58
deficient in character and devoid of morals what's a kitchen party i'm gonna ask we have to find out
00:31:04
but it's like i think it's in you know it's secret in-house language yeah um those girls happen to
00:31:10
just be older sportier versions of seriously cutthroat sorority sisters so that's one person's
00:31:16
take about what it felt like to work there. So what's kind of to go along with that,
00:31:23
this company's had a lot of controversy since they started. It's a Canadian company. They
00:31:28
opened in, I think, well, in 2002 to mark the opening of their second store in Vancouver,
00:31:34
they offered a free outfit to anyone who would stand naked on the street for 30 seconds.
00:31:39
Are you fucking... How about for people who can't afford them and are homeless, you fucking assholes.
00:31:47
But like also, so it's a store that's mostly women's clothing. Yeah. And you're basically
00:31:52
trying to get ladies to stand around naked so you give them their $140 yoga pants.
00:31:57
That's so sad. You're asking them to exploit themselves. Yeah. Oh my God. That same owner,
00:32:05
I can't find his name right now. He, in an interview with the National Post Business Magazine,
00:32:09
which sounds very Canadian to me, but I'm not sure. He said he purposely named it
00:32:13
Lululemon with lots of L's because, quote, it's funny to watch Japanese people try to sleep. He also once blogged that
00:32:20
breast cancer, quote, came into prominence in the 1990s due to all the cigarette smoking power women
00:32:26
who were on the pill and taking on the stress previously left to men in their working world.
00:32:31
I am going to Lulu murder you, you piece of shit. His name, sorry, that guy's name, I'm trying to, oh, that guy's name is Chip Wilson. And of course,
00:32:44
later on. Everybody heard about the they in I think it was 2011. Oh no, sorry. 2013. They had to recall
00:32:55
their line of Luan yoga pants because they were see-through. I remember that. They were see-through. I've seen girls'
00:33:02
G-strings from behind yoga before. And then that same CEO when he was interviewed on Bloomberg TV about it
00:33:09
he asked, he was asked what the nature of of the pants recall was he said quite frankly some women's bodies just don't work for it
00:33:18
um it's more about the rubbing through the thighs how much pressure there is over a period of time
00:33:24
you fucking dick so he's basically saying if you're not emaciated you can't wear our yoga
00:33:30
pants and if you do it's your fault yeah yeah yeah so he's a superstar after he said that of
00:33:36
course he was asked to step down from being the ceo because it's you know at the time it was
00:33:42
2013. So I'm sorry, sir, that it's not 1945 anymore. You can take that shit elsewhere.
00:33:48
Yeah. In 2007, they had a line of clothing called VitaC, S-E-A, which the company said
00:33:56
was made from seaweed fiber. And according to the tags, they said it released marine amino acids,
00:34:03
minerals, and vitamins into the skin upon contact with moisture. Did it stink? Did it stink?
00:34:07
Reducing stress and providing anti-inflammatory, antibacterial, hydrating, and detoxifying benefits.
00:34:13
Bullshit. So the New York Times, that's exactly right. The New York Times commissioned a laboratory test of a shirt made from Vita-C.
00:34:21
And there was no significant difference in mineral levels between the Vita-C fabric and a plain cotton t-shirt.
00:34:28
In other words, the labs found no evidence of seaweed in the Lululemon clothing at all.
00:34:34
How are you allowed to do that? We're not done. In 2008, a mother and daughter found a hidden message in the shopping bag.
00:34:41
Underneath a layer of inspirational quotes such as, friends are more important than money.
00:34:47
Yeah, right. There was a second note that said, quote, some brief or quick fix instance.
00:34:56
Whoa, start over. some brief or quick fix incidences when our minds are clear to be creative are when drunk or stoned
00:35:04
or just after an orgasm what does that mean okay so they're promoting being drunk or stoned or
00:35:10
orgasm or having an orgasm so that you can be creative and this is inside a yoga pants bag
00:35:16
so they had this it turned out that they had printed this up initially people saw it and
00:35:22
were like what the fuck are you doing here well the other the other quotes were the athlete's
00:35:26
high as the most long lasting as it can last up to six hours. And there's a little difference
00:35:31
between addicts and fanatic athletes. Both are continually searching for a way to remain in a
00:35:36
creative state. So it was all just weird. They were very pro drugs and sex. And then a couple
00:35:42
people got the bags and were like, what's wrong with you guys? This is a yoga pants store. So they
00:35:46
took the bags and just sewed over them with friendship is more important than money. But all
00:35:52
All you had to do was wash the bag a couple of times and then the other label came out Oh I bet those are worth some money on eBay It pretty hilarious And also creepy Like you getting these weird messages Anyway Yeah
00:36:05
And they just, the answer back when that happened was not an apology. They were basically like, we're about speaking our mind.
00:36:12
We're about living in this, having new ideas, new experiences. And they basically were like, yeah, we do what we want.
00:36:20
We're trying to inspire people. So... Oh my God. So. Yeah, I have. Yeah. Go on. Just how you're saying? How? Yeah. But also, but also good for
00:36:34
them, but don't shop there. Like I don't, they can do that. It's fine. You can do that. Like,
00:36:40
here's the thing. Yoga is a practice that's about connecting to yourself and connecting,
00:36:46
you know, having a body mind connection so that you are more in yourself and calmer,
00:36:52
more normal. It's not about spending money. It's not about being better than your sorority sister.
00:36:58
But to get a mantra for transcendental meditation is fucking three grand. Like how do you,
00:37:02
how do they... Well, no, that's based on how much money you make. But I mean, I'm not defending it because it costs money. But what I'm saying is this is a store that's
00:37:11
creating that culture of you will spend money always. And you will spend money on bullshit
00:37:16
because we're going to lie straight to your face and say that our clothes are made of
00:37:20
detoxifying seaweed. That's insane. That's crazy. So anyway, that's just a little
00:37:26
background. So the worst thing that happened to them, of course, was in 2011 on the morning of March 12th,
00:37:35
an employee entered their store, the Bethesda, Maryland store, and she actually went in
00:37:43
and she heard something inside, I think it said. And so she went and got a guy off the street
00:37:49
and said, you have to go in there and check. I'm supposed to open this door and there's weird noises.
00:37:54
And the guy walked in to like a bloody scene. And it turned out that Brittany Norwood
00:38:01
and Jana Murray were lying in the store. Jana was dead and Brittany was tied up,
00:38:07
bound hands and feet. Jana had a rope around her neck and hammer knife wounds to her head.
00:38:15
Holy shit. And she'd been repeatedly struck with a metal stand. later on the medical examiner found out she had 330 distinct wounds on her body oh my
00:38:25
330 how long would that take to hit someone 330 times and how much rage and how personal that's
00:38:34
like 10 minutes of hitting it's insane overkill yeah so um when they when the cop touched britney
00:38:42
She flinched and then she tells the story that the night before they closed the shop and then she'd gone to, I'm saying Jana, but I think it's Jana. Did I say Jana? I think it's Jana.
00:38:55
So she'd gone to Jaina and said, I need to go back in. I forgot something. And when they went back in, two masked attackers came, like stormed into the store, whoops,
00:39:05
stormed the store with guns and attacked them. And Brittany said, rape them and tied them up and killed Jaina and left her for dead.
00:39:18
Had she been hit at all or hurt at all? Yeah, she had injuries too. Okay. and her pants were slit at the crotch.
00:39:25
It all looked very bad. So... It all looked very bad. Okay. So, sorry, I have to scroll down on my dumb thing.
00:39:36
So, of course, panic set off because this is apparently a super high-end area. Like, because that's how those stores are always in.
00:39:45
Like, really... So people are freaking out. Like, there's no violent crime in that area at all.
00:39:49
immediately the cops are set up a manhunt there's a $150,000 reward for anyone with information leading to an arrest
00:39:59
it's like big and huge and they start talking to people around the neighborhood and they talk to these employees at the
00:40:07
Apple store which was right next door and these employees say that yes they heard
00:40:11
two women arguing and yelling and some weird thumping and fighting noises the night
00:40:17
before but they never called 911. How do you? They didn't get asked that question in court, which of course, because it's
00:40:26
like, ultimately it's not about them and what they did or didn't do. Aside from, I'm sure they
00:40:33
struggle with it because it's hideous, but yeah, they didn't. And then somebody included in one of
00:40:38
these articles that I read, it was this really awesome thing about how when you have a phone or
00:40:44
computer or something that distracts you, you are like some percentage I won't make up. And I'll
00:40:50
just be honest that I don't know it. But like a very high percentage, less likely to get involved
00:40:56
with anything happening around you. Wow. So they're in an Apple store. So it's probably like
00:41:01
weird noise, weird noise. Can go back to playing Yahtzee with friends or whatever on your phone.
00:41:06
I don't know if I would like, how would you get involved? It just so depends on the situation.
00:41:12
You can't expect people to be being, you know, getting murdered. No. If you hear a fight, you're not like, I'm going to go make sure no one's getting murdered.
00:41:19
No, not at all. And especially in that area. Yeah. No, it's a weird thing. I'm sure they had never had any experience like that.
00:41:26
No. And that's not, they probably were like, oh no, those girls are fighting next door at the end.
00:41:31
That's what I thought. It's just unfortunate because even just a call to say, maybe you should just go check.
00:41:37
It's that thing of like, people aren't willing to just risk being wrong, which is.
00:41:41
Right. which is sad or not being able to read a situation correctly i mean the way a couple
00:41:48
of these articles talked about it there was like extended thumping and fight sounds and no yeah you should have checked that out at one per at one point they heard a woman scream oh please god help me what the okay no you should have fucking gone over there I guess I buried the lead on that one I should have brought that up earlier Oh my God
00:42:05
All right, so yeah, go on. Yeah. That's crazy. So even if you're not sure, roll the dice.
00:42:10
Okay, so from that, they realize that these employees only heard two women the entire time.
00:42:19
They don't hear anything about men's voices. They don't hear anything else. So they're suspicious.
00:42:24
Also, there's this really awesome statistic I found that I know the exact number four.
00:42:30
According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, only 15% of homicides are committed by someone who doesn't know the victim.
00:42:43
15%? 15%. That's crazy. So in some ways, relax. Right. Because it's very, very small.
00:42:52
Don't because your fucking family is going to murder you. It's going to be your husband with that milkshake.
00:42:56
I wonder if that's the reason why we're so fascinated with stranger murders. What?
00:43:02
The cord? Yeah. Okay. Oh, I think you're, are you hitting it with her? You're like, okay.
00:43:06
I wonder if that's why we're so fascinated about stranger murders is because they're so rare.
00:43:10
Yes. And so they sound like there are a lot more of them, but in actuality, it's not.
00:43:16
Yeah. Everyone talks about the ones that happen because they're so crazy and weird.
00:43:19
So it seems like they're more likely. that's really interesting yeah so the cops know this i mean the cops yeah the cops they say that
00:43:26
all the time on like 2020 or whatever where it's like you always look to the husband the wife
00:43:30
the friends the people that they know so um one of the big breaks in the case uh was
00:43:38
that they looked in jana jana's car and jana's the murder victim she's the victim okay um
00:43:48
so they process her car and they find britney uh britney's um dna in the car and then they ask
00:43:58
britney have you ever been in jana's car and she said no that man i love when they fucking trap
00:44:03
someone like that or if you had just said yes right you would not have been a suspect but they
00:44:09
never do because they were in the car so they're trying to cover they think that lie is going to
00:44:13
get them out yeah and yeah that's that's the greatest i love that so um also they realized
00:44:21
they had had all the tests processed and britney had said that they were both raped by these masked
00:44:26
men but when the test came back they there was no sign of rape on either of them there was no
00:44:34
you know um evidence of it yeah there was all of the normal things that they find no penetration
00:44:39
on either of them. Okay. And also her wounds were few and superficial. Right. Yeah.
00:44:50
If you're going to hit someone 300 something times and the other person just gets a little...
00:44:56
Yeah, that's crazy about it. And also because then that's like there's some crime of passion
00:45:00
taking place. Yeah. So... There is an intended victim. Yes, exactly. Okay. And also then they realize
00:45:07
that for the angles, they start studying the angles of the wounds, clearly self-inflicted,
00:45:12
and she tied herself up. It was all, they start looking back on a stage. Now there were, in the blood,
00:45:18
there were two shoe prints. Jaina's shoe prints were not in the blood. Brittany's shoe prints were in the blood
00:45:26
and a size 14 man's shoe, one set of men's shoes were in the blood. So not two, like she said.
00:45:34
So she grabbed some shoes off the fucking shelf. That's exactly right. Son of a bitch.
00:45:37
And walked around through. As if a man was walking through. What an idiot that she didn't grab both the fucking...
00:45:43
Oh, because it's like the display pair. Right. Oh my God. So... It's like brilliant and so stupid at the same time.
00:45:51
Well, it's that thing of like, you are... You can't cover up a murder. You can't.
00:45:56
You just can't. You're not as smart as you think you are. You can't. And also cops have seen it a million times.
00:46:02
Like they know what they're looking at. Yeah. And what looks weird and what doesn't.
00:46:06
So ultimately they basically get her to start talking and it turns out six days after the crime actually happened.
00:46:17
It was the same night of Jane is Memorial. They arrest Brittany Norwood for first degree murder.
00:46:24
And so basically they figure out that that day Brittany had been caught shoplifting a pair of yoga pants by Jaina.
00:46:38
And that's what caused. That was the inciting incident. Obviously much more was going on for her to get stabbed over 300 times.
00:46:49
And they said she used five different weapons all found within the store. Oh, my God.
00:46:56
Yeah. And there was a blood trail that showed how Jaina tried to escape through the back door.
00:47:05
And she had 107 defensive wounds. Oh, my God. And they said that that was the most that medical examiner had ever seen on a victim.
00:47:15
Wow. So this was a crazy and horrible and extended period of time where this murder happened.
00:47:22
Now, here's the creepiest part to me is Brittany goes, clearly just goes fucking berserk, snaps.
00:47:32
She gets caught. Now she's in that, she's out of this system. She has, she's the worst of the worst.
00:47:37
If you're bad for drinking Diet Coke on the floor, imagine what getting caught shoplifting
00:47:41
would be like in that culture at that store. Also, I don't think it was probably very easy because Britney was black. And I don't know what the percentages were of people who were black that worked at Lululemon.
00:48:00
that was an element in it. Yeah. I'm sure that brought, there was something that brought to the table.
00:48:04
There was other articles that talked about how she had stalked her boyfriend. I think she had,
00:48:10
she was definitely maybe a borderline personality. She had definitely had some issues, whatever.
00:48:16
But this girl viciously and insanely murders her coworker and then lays down in blood for hours and hours
00:48:28
until she gets discovered. Crazy. In the same room as a dead body. I mean, that's the creepy level of that.
00:48:35
Oh, and also she went and moved because when she called Jaina back to let her back into the store,
00:48:41
Jaina was double parked. So she had to go get into her car and she went and parked it down
00:48:46
like a couple blocks away. And that's how they got that DNA of hers in there. So essentially she had 10 hours
00:48:56
to stage and plan this crime and figure it all out. So anyway, she was convicted in an hour.
00:49:08
They tried to say that she was insane and they were like, no, sorry, this was insanely premeditated.
00:49:16
I mean, that's bad phrasing. This was very premeditated and obviously... She tried to cover it up so she knew it was wrong.
00:49:23
Yes, yes, exactly. and I guess oh so she was got she got a life sentence and with no possibility of parole
00:49:37
uh so it turned out that the Lululemon murder was much more fascinating than I could ever imagine it to me
00:49:45
yeah I thought she just like went in there and shot her like I didn't even know any of the
00:49:49
details no it was grisly as hell yeah and just that the element like the the pressure-y sales sorority sister element of it is fascinating to me.
00:50:01
Somebody, there's a guy that wrote a book. His name's David Morse and it's called the,
00:50:06
this is going to be wrong. I want to say it's called the yoga pants murder, but that's not going to be right.
00:50:11
The yoga store murder. There we go. So close. Oh, are there, are there crime scene photos?
00:50:16
I'm sure there are, but, but. I want to see them without the body. So I'm not that fucked up.
00:50:20
They wanted to show the crime scene photos when they were trying to pick the jury and they, the, um, I think it was when they were trying to pick the jury. I guess that
00:50:30
doesn't really make sense, but they were basically trying to introduce these photos and like the
00:50:35
defense fought it because they're so awful. Her skull was cracked. Her spine was severed. Oh,
00:50:42
I don't want to see that. I mean, it's terrible. I mean, you, you know, she was stabbed over 300
00:50:46
time it's insane it's horrifying holy shit yeah so there you go namaste namaste namaste karen namaste everybody should we end on an om um well oh well fuck all right
00:51:05
that's a gruesome and sad one horrible we're back karen do you have any updates No case updates. Basically, it's all status quo. Although we got to the bottom of kitchen parties. So that was the thing that we talked about. It was a Lululemon kind of like alley rally style. Let's all get together, you know, like some sort of retail bullshit cult thing that they make up to make it seem interesting. And then you get people to whatever.
00:51:39
I'm not to work that day, but like they still have to come to the fucking. No, no, this was a different, this was almost like a little bit of a manipulation of the customers. So essentially, there are these islands near the fitting rooms, and the employees were expected to just kind of hang out there and then stage casual conversations, like you're in the kitchen, quote unquote, and basically talking about yoga pants or like, oh, you need that, I can actually recommend you this great jacket or whatever.
00:52:10
Leave me alone. I mean, as someone who's done that job before at Funky Diva back in 1999, I know how it goes. And I hated every minute of doing it. And I hate every minute of it being done to me.
00:52:24
Yes. The retail PTSD of like being forced to engage when people don't like it and are rude to you actively.
00:52:35
Right. Really sucks. It's like if you're the greeter at the gap this day, I wonder if they still do greeters. I don't think they do.
00:52:42
Yeah, I don't think so. But I bet you better fucking get said hi to though. Like if you're a secret shopper for them.
00:52:47
Oh, yeah. Like you have to eyes up. You don't have to stand there like we used to have to literally stand there and be like, socks are on sale today and blah, blah, blah. Like that whole thing where you're like having this hip interaction with the person you're about to buy jeans from. It's just like, who cares?
00:53:03
No one needs help finding anything unless it's like a movie and they're like on a mission to get this one thing.
00:53:09
No one needs help finding anything. Can I help you find anything today? No. In this day and age, doesn't the average customer really know their rights in the way of like they're going to find you and let you know the kind of help they need?
00:53:20
Like no one's shy anymore about this. And that's, I'm going to say it again, but that's my big complaint about Sephora.
00:53:27
I just want to go and touch all the eyeshadows and look at all the samples. I don't want someone to help me.
00:53:34
Because oftentimes they're like, oh, you need that? Well, then come over here. And I'm like, no, I'm over here.
00:53:39
I want to be in this area. Yeah. Like, I don't want to be sped through this. No, totally.
00:53:45
That's a long zen journey that you want to take when you're there. That's right.
00:53:51
Hot bath of a Sephora. Anyway also the old founder or I guess the original founder who no longer involved in the business of Lululemon is a man named Chip Wilson who has just been spouting pretty nasty rhetoric for years
00:54:07
And so much so that the company had to come forward and say that his views don't represent the company's values.
00:54:15
Wow. And that they are committed to creating an inclusive environment in that company.
00:54:20
So hopefully that's true and hopefully that actual work is getting done. but and also you know the information i was looking for that could have been really cool to
00:54:29
like unveil right now is that they also change their internal practices and they don't make
00:54:35
everything feel like this weird club that you're trying to get into while you have a retail job
00:54:40
yeah which was one of the things we talked about of like what the pressures and what this job must
00:54:46
have felt like yes to result in this horrifying murder but still there's no way to get that
00:54:52
information unless we had a secret employee, which we don't. It'd be so cool. We should have done that.
00:54:58
Although they no longer ask their employees to pursue shoplifters, which is insane that they
00:55:04
ever did that. Never do that. No. Never do that. Okay, now it's time for Georgia's story about
00:55:09
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Goodbye. Ready for mine? Yeah. Okay. Mine is about the tent girl and the doe network.
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What? Do you know that? Doe as in deer? No, D-O-E as in like Jane Doe. Oh, oh, oh.
00:57:56
Like doe, a dead body, a female dead body. Oh my God, I had to. You did it. Did it.
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Did it. All right. So on May 17th, 1968, a well digger named Wilbur Riddle was killing time between jobs, picking up glass insulators on a dirt road.
00:58:17
It was just outside Lexington, Kentucky. So he's scavenging. He comes across a large green tarpaulin and that was commonly used by carnival workers to store the big, like the big top tens in.
00:58:33
and inside he finds the new decomposing body of a young woman. She appeared to be in her teens
00:58:40
and she had been dead for months. They couldn't figure out her exact cause of death,
00:58:46
but it was thought that she'd been knocked out with a blow to the head and then tied up inside the bag
00:58:52
to slowly suffocate. And the way they knew this is that her nails were worn down and broken.
00:58:57
Oh no. As if she had been trying to escape. Nightmare. Yes. Mm-hmm. She couldn't be identified and became known as the tent girl.
00:59:08
Sorry, is 68 you said? Yeah. Okay. It became a local legend and her grave had a headstone that had,
00:59:16
that they had put the, a sketch of the, what the police had sketched, she might've looked like.
00:59:21
And it said tent girl found May 17th, 1968 on highway, us highway 25 North died about April.
00:59:29
Like all these weird statistics about her unidentified. so it was a place where local teens would visit to cause trouble and to scare each other and like
00:59:38
on halloween you had night you had to go touch the gravestone and run away and stuff um and so
00:59:44
a couple decades later there's a teenager who moves into town named todd matthews and he hears
00:59:50
about the story of tent girl by a girl he got a crush on nine months later he and this girl get married and it turns out her name is Lori Riddle Her father was Wilbur Riddle who found Tent Girl So Todd Matthews becomes obsessed with the case
01:00:10
And for decades, he's determined to find out the true identity of Tent Girl. Todd's two siblings had died at birth and it really stuck with him. And so he says
01:00:22
that he felt like Tent Girl had become his sibling until he could find her real family.
01:00:28
Just so fucking sweet. I might cry. So when the internet's created, he saves up enough money for,
01:00:38
he like works low-income jobs, saves up enough money to buy a computer, and then he trolls chat rooms and search engines
01:00:43
and missing personal listings, searching for details that match Tent Girl. and he creates a website devoted to finding her identity.
01:00:53
And this is before any of like web sleuthing shit is going on. Like in his mind, he's just going to email as many people as possible
01:01:01
till he finds out who this missing person is. So cut to the night, January 1998.
01:01:08
And Todd has been online for hours looking at random stuff when he comes across a classified ad
01:01:13
from a woman who's searching for her missing 24-year-old sister, Barbara Ann Hackman Taylor.
01:01:20
Todd sees the three words Lexington, 1967 missing and he knows it's her immediately
01:01:28
so in December 1967, 24 year old Barbara Ann Hackman was a mother and a waitress
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she had married young and then mysteriously disappeared, they thought it was a teenager
01:01:41
originally when they found the body but she's actually 24 which is just another reason like why
01:01:47
cops, like it wouldn't have taken someone amateur to find this person because you're looking for a teenager. You're not going to
01:01:54
find someone with totally different statistics. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah. They won't fall into that category for you.
01:02:00
So Matthews arranges to have tent girl's body exhumed. And in April 1998, DNA tests prove that
01:02:08
Barbara Ann Hackman is tent girl. Wow. I know. The family chooses to have Barbara's remains kept in the original spot with the
01:02:17
original headstone. They just added a little stone underneath with her real name, nickname,
01:02:23
date of birth, presumed date of death, and the inscription loving mother, grandmother, and sister.
01:02:28
Oh. I know. She was a grandmother at 24? No, I think she had her daughter and now she's a grandmother.
01:02:35
Got it. Yeah. All right. So he died before Tent Girl was identified, but Barbara's husband,
01:02:44
George Earl Taylor never filed a missing persons report and he told Barbara's family
01:02:50
that she had left him for another man. Yeah. All right. So you know how she was fucking
01:02:56
found in a tarpaulin. Am I saying that right? That was commonly used by carnival workers
01:03:02
to store big tents. Guess what George's job was. He was an accountant. Was he an accountant?
01:03:11
Was he, did he work at REI? Carnival worker. Yes. He was a carnival worker. He died of cancer in October 1987.
01:03:23
And I hope he rots in hell. Good. Yeah. Good. Glad. Go fuck yourself. Go fuck yourself.
01:03:31
Isn't that crazy? Like, what is, what is, there's nothing besides like, besides fingerprints that could have like,
01:03:37
made it more of a like, here's who done it. Yeah. I mean, did they, well. Karen don't question I won't
01:03:45
did they play did they like tie it back to the carnival he was working at no I just meant like at the time when they found
01:03:51
her did they take that tarpulin or whatever it's called evidence and then go interview some carnival workers see what local
01:03:59
carnival was in town and then it could that be the third season of true detective this story
01:04:03
of like the carnies those are great questions I was just excited that they put that together but gosh I wish
01:04:08
they had done that before he died of cancer Yeah. That's a good point. But I mean, yeah.
01:04:12
Well, shit. Okay. Can I do a different story? No. I'm kidding. All right. So the ending of this is pretty amazing
01:04:20
that Todd Matthews goes on to help create the Doe Network, which I'm obsessed with.
01:04:25
It's an online database containing thousands of profiles for unidentified does. Shit.
01:04:31
Jane and John Does and baby does. And amateur sleuths try to connect unidentified bodies
01:04:36
with missing people. Amazing. Like people who are like nurses and fucking janitors and all these crazy people who like are doing this for free in their free time just sit there and try to find matching characteristics to get these people found and get them, you know.
01:04:56
So is it like web sleuthing where anyone can do it? Yeah. And you can enter the information?
01:05:01
They started regulating it because I think that a lot of police were getting annoyed with all the calls.
01:05:09
They were getting like, I think it's this person. I think it's that person. So there's like for each town or each city, there's like a main person that and it has to go through like a crazy vetting process now.
01:05:19
So if you're like, I think this missing person is this unidentified body. They have to like, it has to be checked out by like a bunch of people who have been certified by the Donut Work to do that.
01:05:28
but yeah you can kind of just like look for it's almost like that game where you what was the memory one where you turn
01:05:35
over a face and you turn it back over and you have to remember where the face is called memory thank you
01:05:39
so he also co-founded NAMUS I think it's supposed to be NAMUS but there's no E the National Missing and Unidentified Persons
01:05:47
System and another thing they do is they they hire or they people who are who draw portraits and stuff just for free like we take a dead body and sketch out what the face would look like or take a missing person and sketch out what their face would look like now
01:06:07
Oh. And they all do it for free. Wow. It's pretty amazing. Next place where we give money for the t-shirts?
01:06:12
I don't know. We can discuss it. We can. All right. So as of 2007, I couldn't find any more recent statistics.
01:06:19
There's approximately 40,000 unidentified human mermaids stowed in back rooms of morgues,
01:06:24
buried before they're identified and buried in unmarked graves across the country.
01:06:29
What's that number? 40,000. Shit. And that's 2007. The National Crime Information Center records nearly 90,000 missing people at any given time.
01:06:39
So 40,000 of those unmarked, unidentified people, you know, their websites list 70 successful
01:06:48
identity resolutions that the site has assisted with. Oh, that's nice. 36 had occurred within the first five years. And Tent Girl was the first case to be identified by
01:07:00
use of the internet. Wow. Isn't that incredible? Todd Matthews, he just like was an obsessive
01:07:06
compulsive with this case. And because of that, so many families have been able to find out what
01:07:12
happened to their loved ones. And I'm so fascinated with those stories of like, she left home one day and we thought we'd hear from her again and we didn't and we don't know
01:07:20
she's alive or not. Yeah. She might have just fucking moved on and hated our dad and, you know.
01:07:25
Right. But then they find, they're like, you know, by the side of the road, this person with this crazy tattoo is found
01:07:31
and why can't we identify this person? And so they put all this stuff in the thing.
01:07:37
That's very cool. Yeah. Tent girl. There's a photo of her. It looks a lot like the drawing.
01:07:46
Sad, right? Well, yeah, but it's like the tragedy that something good came out of her.
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it's very cool you know and also it's nice that idea that like yeah that's if you have it's just
01:07:57
so nice for the families like that that that idea of just not knowing is so torturous yeah and I've
01:08:04
kind of been wanting to do I've been thinking a lot lately about like what can I how can I volunteer
01:08:08
my time in some way that we're this true crime thing we're doing and I'm like you know do I work
01:08:14
for, do I go volunteer for women's shelter or something like that? And I feel like that's what
01:08:22
these people are doing is they're like, they're not making any money. They have jobs. They don't
01:08:27
need them. They just want to help find... It's just they're really into these crazy puzzles and
01:08:31
piecing these things together and they just do it. Right. And if you have that specific ability
01:08:35
of like, you can draw a picture of what they last looked like or whatever, it's like everybody
01:08:40
pitching in what their specific talent is. Yeah. Yeah, that's very cool. I like that.
01:08:44
So maybe I'll do something like that. And I can't draw, but I can look at tattoos
01:08:49
and remember if they were found on dead bodies or not. Do it. I'm really good at that.
01:08:55
Remembering. No. Yeah. Nice. So that was a short one, but I thought it was important.
01:09:02
No, that was cool. I like that it's good information. Yeah. That's a good one. Totally.
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Well, I guess that's it. Yeah. thank you for listening. Thank you so much. Can you guys,
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if you rate, review and subscribe on iTunes, that helps us a lot and we appreciate it.
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And gosh, it's nice having you guys listen in this podcast. Also, Elvis is sitting right
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in front of Stephen's face because Stephen gave him a cookie last time. I like that you just said,
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gosh, gosh, it's nice you listen, everybody. Gee whiz. Gee whiz. Gee whilikers, everybody.
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Thank you. Thanks. And you know what? Stay sexy. And don't get moited. Elvis, you want a cookie?
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Want a cookie? Whoa. Bye. We're back, Georgia. Are there updates for this case? Yes, there are updates. This is one of those cases I love that there is this tragic story
01:10:02
and something beautiful comes out of it because people, because of humans and humanity and,
01:10:08
you know, caring about causes that have nothing to do with you and just personalizing them. So
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I love this story and I love Todd Matthews. And unfortunately he passed away earlier this year.
01:10:20
He was only 53 and his contributions to the cyber detective community live on through the
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Doe Network and Name Us. And there's a article you can check out if you want on Vice called
01:10:32
the pioneering cyber detective who cracked a 30-year-old cold case by Sammy Carmela that I
01:10:39
recommend. And together, the Doe Network and Name Us have resolved over 65,000 missing,
01:10:44
unidentified, and unclaimed persons cases. Amazing. Which is incredible. So get involved
01:10:50
in that if you're good at sleuthing. I'm not. Yeah. If you're a person that's interested in
01:10:54
true crime, that is an incredible way to actually, you know, do something constructive with this
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interest and interact and help people out. Well, yeah, like I, when I had a boring desk job and
01:11:05
didn't do anything, I wish I had known about this. Instead, I was just blogging. Yeah. So that doesn't
01:11:10
feel as good as like helping find missing people. You were helping other funky divas in your area.
01:11:17
That's all. That's my fucking goal in life and my creed, my creed and my motto. And here's your other motto is Namaste Sexy, which was the title of this episode.
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Yeah. So no more number puns. Thank God. Yeah, that's right. And so if we're naming this episode today based on something we said in the episode, would it be trailer spoiler?
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Which Karen jokes she's going to spoil the trailer of the new JonBenet Ramsey docuseries.
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Don't spoil. You can't even fucking spoil a trailer these days. That's right. And then Georgia said, gosh, it's nice.
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That's so funny. Gosh, it's nice. Because we were thanking listeners for listening to the show.
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And she said, gosh, it's nice having you guys listen. Was that sarcastic? No, I hear my gosh is definitely something.
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That has you know regularly come out of my mouth is that some fucking is that your grandma who says i don't
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know i think it's like quaint and old-timey and i like it like that yeah it is it's nice i don't
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i don't care about taking god's name in vain so why would i gosh it's nice i guess you know what
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it's like humbled thing i'm just humbled gosh golly golly gee golly gee well well gosh guys
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thanks so much for listening gosh i'd pick that title for the show title because i love it it's
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nice. It's nice. And so are you guys. And I appreciate you still. Gosh, if I was listening
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right now, I'd turn this off. Stay sexy. And don't get murdered. Goodbye. Elvis, do you want a cookie?
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