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Hello and welcome to Rewind with Karen in Georgia. That's right. That means it's Wednesday and that means we're recapping one of our old shows with all new commentary updates and insights.
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And today we're recapping episode 32, which we named just the 32 of us. I thought we were done with the number puns.
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I mean, I can hear myself, and this may not have happened, but I can absolutely hear myself in my memory going, yeah, but it's so funny.
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We have to go back just for this one. Yeah. Like, you know, you can't, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
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That's right. If there's a good one. If there's just the 32 of us. That's pretty funny.
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It's so good. So join us today as we take you back to September 1st, 2016, when Sausage Party was still in theaters.
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classic it's a classic and now we can all be day one listeners okay here's the intro of episode 32
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hello welcome to my favorite murder my name's karen and i sure love murder how about you
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girl over there this week girl over there is played by georgia hartstark georgia georgie
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Hart Stark and G. I love murder too. And of course, engineer Steven is here standing by
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with his mustache and his stuff, his equipment, his general style. Stevie Romores of the
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Perkast. Thank you. Yeah. Welcome. Still trapped in the basement. Vince, so we have our murderinos
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that we call people who listen to this podcast. We didn't make that up. No, we didn't, but that's what people call it.
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And Vince said that, so Stephen has the per cast about cats. And Vince said that the people who listen should be called perverts.
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With three R's. That's really exercise. You got to do that. I'm going to start doing it.
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Vince said you can have it. Thank you, Vince. He said, you can tell him you can have it.
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That's a free one from Vince. That's a free one. Awesome. Cool. Hi, everybody. It's episode 32.
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What's up? I'm going to bring what's up back. Are you? I have already threatened to do that.
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was uh and that's how she got murdered she was so hacky the town killed her the city killed her
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she she got killed do you have a housekeeping i mean i have things i just generally want to talk
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about well i'll say mine that are internet specific that are important yeah minor important
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yours aren't before i start just babbling you be quiet because it's my turn how much i hate tv
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oh did you watch the last night of i fucking i just i don't there's a block and i i mean to and
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i haven't no the answer is no well then you don't want his dna inside you and you'll never get to
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have it he was also on colbert we actually watched it at work because enough people at my work like
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him that we were all like let's watch he's so is he is he cute and he is perfection it's there's
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something like disney-esque about the scale of the size of his eyes to the rest of his face his
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nose looks like he got a nose job it's so perfectly shaped and then in general he just has the he has
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the charisma but he's very low-key like he's smart enough to know not to overplay it we're talking
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about riz Ahmed we're talking about riz Ahmed Britain's own and he's got the british accent man
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like the like the like street british accent yeah stop it but he can do any british like i only heard
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i only heard him speaking in a british accent when he was rapping so i was like yeah he was
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trying to he's turning it a little bit on but okay well but also i saw him in the um the
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unwilling fundamentalist what's that movie he stars in a movie about an un fundamentalist that
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doesn't want to be unwilling who doesn't the word isn't unwilling now sorry it's part of the title
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I'm his number one fan But in that one he had like a posh British accent Oh man I want it to be dirty please
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Jesus Keep it dirty Hi Vince it's Karen She said more gross stuff about Riz Ahmed this time
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The thing I wanted to mention was A woman named Liam Moffat Made us this amazing animated opening uh to our podcast theme song you
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can see it on the twitter page you can see it on the facebook page i'll put it on the i'll put it
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on the we have a new facebook fan page because people told us that that's how you're supposed to
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do things don't don't be closed off all the time maybe open some stuff up yeah so we have a new
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Facebook fan page I will post it on there it is it's your like how do you how did you feel watching
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it with your music and your voice I couldn't breathe yeah and but also I it's that weird
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thing of like it's very strange when someone holds up something you did and goes now here's
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something I did to match it like it's just magical I love it gorgeous and it's the cutest like I the
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style of it is so like there's a little skeleton in every scene and the way it moves the way
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everything flows and moves but it's creepy it's creepy it's all perfectly done so leon moffitt
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thank you so much for thank you doing that and thinking of us and participating in that very
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creative and cool way thanks to everyone who like there's so many cute drawings of us even though we
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berated them last week they like it i know i keep posting them on instagram we have an instagram my
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favorite murder and i just am constantly i like can't stop posting all day and i feel like i'm
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getting annoying because there's just so much cool shit to post well it's fun to be able to go like
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oh here's hair because the people like it yeah you notice their shit it's you know can i tell you my
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favorite one from our last episode is you know the part where i go doe a dead body a female dead body
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someone took a photo of my face and put it over the face in um sound of music sound of music where
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She's singing on this, on the hilltop to all the children. And it's just my little face, like a perfect photo of me with my mouth open, like looking
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like I'm singing. And it says, Stephen's showing it to Karen right now. I will put that on the Facebook page.
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Oh, that's brilliant. Who did it? Jessica P. Thank you, Jessica P. Well done, Jessica P. That is hilarious.
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Because also the Georgia's face, her mouth is open. It looks like she's going, hi, but she's holding a guitar.
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That's hilarious. so much good shit good you know sadly somebody put my face inside of selena's face
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no no no it's not not truly sadly oh this is a comedy podcast but it was a picture of me before
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i stopped drinking you can find such a range of hideous pictures of me online it's hilarious i
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hate it uh it's not cool at all when your weight fluctuates it's you just and you get photographed
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for things a lot yeah and you just you just kind of have to separate and you just i like my thing
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is just like whatever right i know what i look like mine's not oh my god this one where they
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put my face and just i'm pretty sure it was selena's picture it was like big 80s hair
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with the pink background did you see that steven it was i was like is that charles bronson wearing
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a wig like it looked horrifying i hate that but of course i'm not complaining because of course
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all the people who saw it were like oh my god this is so cute where you're just like what
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anyway i had to complain and also just we looked it up this was in oh wait this if it if it was
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from the minnesota then you might not know what we're talking about but uh last week's minisode
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corner what's that we have to say correction corner correction corner meow meow meow um georgia
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talked about a lady who had a disease and many doctors frighteningly enough, listen to this
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podcast. Yeah. Because those are the people or medical students. I'm not sure people who know
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how it's actually pronounced. Well, sorry, not sorry. I'm not a doctor or a medical student.
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Never say sorry, not sorry. Just don't be sorry. Oh, okay. Yeah. I thought you were berating me
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for trying to bring that back when you're trying to bring, what was it? Oh, good point. No,
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throw that right in my face. I accept that you're a hundred percent right, but I hate sorry,
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not sorry because you don't have to be sorry at all yeah is that i i saw that crop up in like
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girls talking where it's like look sorry that's not sorry where it's like no no no what you start
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out as look motherfucker and then you say your actual opinion sorry i'm yelling don't apologize
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i'm so tired oh you're right i'm so tired oh here's how you pronounce it Well, now I'm having a fucking seizure.
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Jesus. I got it. There's like, that's a sound clip from some guys on the radio or something in England who
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also didn't know how to say Guillain-Barre syndrome. Guillain-Barre. Well, so there.
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Well, consider me wrong. Consider me always wrong. Correction. Correcting corner.
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What else? How are you? What do you want to say? Anything? I wish you guys could see Georgia right now.
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Her legs are so far up in the air. She is the most casual person I've ever seen in my life.
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This is the loungiest. You're fucking lounging in your home. Lounging so hard right now.
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As is your American right. Steven, can you take a photo of me lounging right now?
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I'll put it on the vent. Let me fix my sweat. I'm also sweating. That's cool. Sweat lounging.
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I got a Mimi cat on the... Cool. I took one too. Photo just happened. check it on the let's plug our places instagram.com slash my favorite murder oh the face that's like
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a picture finally a picture of myself i'm not mad about look at those cheekbones karen i i wasn't
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even really sucking them in you were parts a bit off look at you look so hilarious that's my entire
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butt also that's gonna end up on that's gonna end up on wiki feet i promise you can i have a wiki
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feet page i mean look at my feet they're pretty fucking cute let's be honest you deserve it thank
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you yeah i'm gonna own it you know why because i don't have a wikipedia page so i'm okay with
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wikipedia so you gonna be fine here we go um you gotta break in somehow do you know what else pisses me off i not gonna tell you never mind i am pissed off that my high school they have like a list of like alumni who have done things not on there
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Where's the list? On Wikipedia. Oh, please. Will someone who's good at computers go on to
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Wikipedia and edit that page? What's the high school name? Woodbridge High School.
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In? Irvine, California. Woodbridge High School, Irvine, California. Also let everyone know I hate,
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I hated them all. I hate them all. No, don't put that part in. now this is your high school wiki feet page um okay the fan page okay here's this is hilarious
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so i tried to start the fan page we can't use the word murder in the title because facebook is like
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we recognize a word that you can't fucking you can't say because you're not you're a grown adult
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and you know what i mean i'm fine so it's mfm podcast is the name of the facebook fan page cool
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so you kind of have to be an insider to know that it's the just the initials like winky wink and then
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I think that means also that maybe your friend your family and friends won't know that you're
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part of a murder group I think that's just say MFM yeah I think that's what people are worried about
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until they see the logo again grown adults yeah I mean that's the other thing too of all the people
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we know that that say I'm not weird I'm not alone you know all that excitement well now it's turning
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into because then the second wave seemed to be um people at work keep catching me listening to this
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and giving me dirty looks or seeing my the logo and giving me a weird look yeah but we just got
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a tweet from somebody who sent a picture that said was it on the facebook page or twitter i can't
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remember where they hang up a sign on the door that says murder time do not come in and then
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listen to the podcast at at work all together oh like the whole crew does yeah well i mean she
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didn't she was very vague about all of it um we're shouting her i should find the name but if you guys
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hear this will you please send us at least slightly more information so we can give you a legit shout
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out because i it made me laugh so hard when i saw that or send us a photo of all of you listening
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secretly um also i love that i've been i've been noticing in the facebook page like i'll like look
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at some comments sometimes late at night and it'll be like comment comment comment and then someone
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will comment to someone who already commented and be like alex you're in this group you're in
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like oh my god i can't believe it we're like we're totally good like it's people keep recognizing
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their friends in there and it's like hilarious i love it well the same thing happened to me with
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my sister's best friend adrian who i talked about i think on the very first episode she had a
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hometown yeah she well she loved richard ramirez right so when i said who should i talk about it
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It came out of her mouth so fast that that's when I discovered she was a murderer before the podcast had even started.
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And it was shocking because I've known her since she was 12 years old and I was 10 years old.
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So and never knew that that was an interest of hers. So she recently started listening.
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She went backwards through it and has been texting me constantly of like, dude, I love this podcast so much.
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And Adrian and my sister were two of the most evil teenage girls. anyone could have had the nightmare to grow up with.
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They were sullen and silky. And the only way they would let me hang out with them
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when she spent the night on the weekend, she would come and stay the whole weekend with us.
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But they would lock the door and leave me out of the room. And what I had to do to get in the room with Laura and Adrian
00:15:22
was make up a lip sync dance routine to a Pat Benatar song. Well, we're not moving forward right now on this podcast
00:15:28
until you fucking do that. Let's relive your nightmares. we just basically play a pat benatar song but yeah that's all it would be and then you'd be
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like right now she's lifting her legs straight above her head oh my god that's so big sisters
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man well and also just if you're younger and you hate your sister just know that's going to change
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around when you're like 22 and then you're going to be besties for the rest of your life you're
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going to become the cool one exactly my sister knows what's up well and also i have my sister
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and adrian to thank for like all of my training because that's pretty much the most professional
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training I got and then oh yeah on stage it was pretty exciting I think my I'm scared I think my
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dad might start listening to this because what I thought he was already I don't think so because
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he was like I was hanging out with him over the weekend and he was like tell me about your thing
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like they don't understand it's a thing and I was like oh it's this thing and I'm like well he
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doesn't know how to download a podcast and then he would like looked at his phone and he like
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showed me the podcast and he was like this. And I was like, uh-huh. Yeah, no, it's okay. He's cool.
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He doesn't care about the F word, does he? Oh my God. No, my God. You can't have me as a child
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and care about the F word, care about a lot of things. Honestly, I think he's happy that I'm
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alive, survived my own. I am too. I mean, that I'm alive or that you're alive. That you're alive. Me too. It was supposed to be a compliment. Oh, thank you.
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All right, you guys, we're going to get into our favorite murders. Yes. We're going to take a quick pee break.
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We'll be right back for my favorite murder. Skippers. This is your time to come on home.
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Come on home. Be right back. All right. That was a big, long one. Did you really not ever finish The Night Of?
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You've never seen the end? I didn't ever finish it. But I just, I'm so impatient with shows.
00:17:22
Like, I just don't, I can't get through anything. If I get through a series, it should get an Oscar immediately because it's good.
00:17:30
Can you think of an example of a series you got through because you liked the lead actor the way I, of course, was returning week after week for my friend Riz Ahmed?
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No, but I can think of one that I got through even though I don't like the lead actor.
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And that's how good it was. But this might get us in trouble because it's Ozark.
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Oh, you're not a Bateman fan? I love Jason Bateman He a great actor He just does this thing that drives me crazy And you never not see it again if I tell you Or he goes okay at the end of every sentence Okay okay
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Yeah, he's being- He does that. He's being casual, improvisational, real talking.
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Exactly. And I know that, I know it's what he's doing, but I can't ignore it. And I can't be like, that's a character
00:18:16
because Jason Bateman keeps fucking doing that. Yes, that's right. But it was such a good show
00:18:21
that I was able to get past that. Wow. So, yeah. I think we can leave that in. Okay.
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Okay. His hands on his hips. Okay. Okay. Yeah. No, leave it. Let's get some fucking drama stirred up on these podcasting.
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Come on. Cross podcast rivalries. Come on. They've never heard of us. Let's fuck him.
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Yeah, exactly. Well, here's how they will hear of you. Do you know that you talked about that you didn't make it on your high school's Wikipedia page?
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You are now on your high school's Wikipedia page. I know. Some beautiful Mortarino fucking went and added me.
00:19:01
I wonder if it's still there. And said that she hated it. Georgia attended high school.
00:19:05
And she hated every minute of it. Hey. Hey. That was an honor. That was definitely one of those moments in the podcast where I was like, wow, this is real.
00:19:16
This is huge. This is like cool. It's huge. And I was so appreciative of it. What I think is funny is that it's the Wikipedia page for your high school.
00:19:27
It's not even like your Wikipedia page. It's like you were bummed about something that's real sub, sub, sub, you know.
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No, because every high school Wikipedia page has people of note who attended every single one of them, including this one.
00:19:43
And it had like these random like, you know, sports fucking commentator or whatever.
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and I'm like I can I I think I think I've reached that excuse me I was on cooking channel can I
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please have it you know yeah so I mean I bet yours has one too did we ever look it up I doubt it I
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mean no I don't think a high school that has like literally 200 kids at it in a small town in
00:20:08
northern California has a Wikipedia page yeah this was a big one too yeah we may have done unless we
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broke the law somehow which or like because we got a nice new football field or something but i
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don't think so yeah yeah okay i don't know that's okay it's like you get your high school's like low
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key and mine is like you know high key high key in the highest key i think we should post the photo
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on the when we post this episode on socials of the couch photo of us one of my favorites one of
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the great casual photos what's the real word i'm looking for ass shot just complete butt shot of me
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yep georgia and feet wearing her hot pants yeah with me with kind of my weird bald spot of like
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my calic my calic bald spot that's always been there what's noticeable in this is your cheek
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bones every time this gets posted people comment on your cheekbones i'm very blessed very blessed
00:21:10
Thank you, Pat. That's all Pat Kilgareff's doing. Those feet. I don't know who those are on me. Thanks, Dad. I think those are Marty's.
00:21:19
It would be amazing if you found out you were making so much money on WikiFeet right now.
00:21:24
Man, honestly, if fans only, whatever it's called, existed in my 20s, I would have made some serious cash on those feet.
00:21:33
Yeah. But what are you going to do? All right. Well, let's get into George's story right now about the murder of Selena.
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Goodbye. Hey, we're back, skippers. Hey. Hey, friends. All right. My favorite murder this week is Selena Quintanilla Perez.
00:24:53
No. And the reason I'm doing it is that it is audio engineer Stevie Ray Morris of the podcast.
00:24:58
favorite murder tributes I yeah no I you've been sending me shit yeah I was like
00:25:04
sending me texts and I was like oh my god I'm watching and then Aaron Brockovich
00:25:07
did like a true crime it's crazy that I watched the other day well I grew up listening to Selena
00:25:12
because I'm half my family I'm half Mexican and so that music was always playing
00:25:16
and I remember like even listening to the music just feeling really sad for some people
00:25:20
were you little when she died so you didn't know yet I mean I knew it affected because I would still
00:25:25
go over to my family's houses and stuff and like She was huge. She was like Madonna times 20.
00:25:31
Well, I'll tell y'all about it. Oh, oh. Did I say even Quintanilla? Quintanilla.
00:25:38
Oh, I don't. I mean, I'm not Mexican, but I don't know how to speak Spanish. Okay, I wrote it down like I was very...
00:25:43
She didn't know how to speak Spanish either. I know. I know. Would you fucking...
00:25:46
Both of you, shut up. Oops. Oh, Karen, your doorbell phone is ringing. um selena quintanilla perez was born on april 16 1971 in lake jackson texas and was called
00:26:01
the mexican-american madonna oh i must have known that i've watched a movie with j-lo i haven't seen
00:26:07
it wonderful gosh she's beautiful they were both beautiful and she was poised to become a crossover
00:26:13
success when her death turned her into a legend um selena's father discovered selena's quote
00:26:21
perfect timing and pitch and helped his kids form a band. And she was like nine years old when they
00:26:25
started performing. Wow. The band, once her parents lost their family restaurant, the band became the
00:26:31
family's main source of income and they were in poverty. And this career, Selena's career just
00:26:37
took them out of poverty because they were evicted from their home during the Texas oil
00:26:41
bust of 1982. And they moved to Corpus Christi, Texas, which sounds very hot, doesn't it?
00:26:46
yeah i think it's super southern in texas like down in the gulf maybe right um that's a don't
00:26:54
i know i was like right do i want to well my cousin cheryl lived in corpus christi when i
00:26:59
was like in junior high but why do i ever say anything is that a big military town i think it
00:27:05
is yes in fact it has 25 that i have no fucking clue let's just talk about corpus christi for the
00:27:09
rest of this um so then the family band began recording music professionally and in 1984 when
00:27:16
Selena was, I think, 13. The band released its first LP, Selena Los Dinos. Fuck, I hope you don't get it.
00:27:24
That's Selena and Fred Flintstone's dog. Dinosaur. Hate mail can be sent to Karen Kilgareff.
00:27:34
I'm just translating. Karen Kilgareff's apartment or house, the address is. So, yes, Stephen, you are correct.
00:27:41
Selena was a third generation Texan of Mexican descent. So she didn't grow up speaking Spanish.
00:27:46
So she didn't know any, but she learned all her songs phonetically. And when her popularity grew,
00:27:52
she had to learn it. And she did it very quickly. Just like Roxette. Like what? The band Roxette.
00:27:57
What were they? German? Yeah. Or Swedish or something. Oh, they had to learn English?
00:28:02
Well, no, they just sang phonetically. They didn't know what they were saying. That's funny.
00:28:06
Must have been love, but it's all. That she had no clue what that song is. Wow. But it's so powerful.
00:28:13
but it sounds so the ignorance makes it powerful that's what it is like because that's what love
00:28:19
does to you makes you stupid idiot that's right um okay grew in popularity in the year 1987 she
00:28:28
won the uh tenejo oh god i tahano tahano music award i like i was watching videos to get this
00:28:36
correctly and i'm just screwing it all up tahano music award for female vocalist of the year
00:28:41
And then she landed her first major record deal with Capitol Latin in 1989. So she performed several times at the Houston Astrodome to sold out crowds of more than 60,000 people.
00:28:54
And after her death time described her as the embodiment of young, smart, hip Mexican-American youth from a tight knit family and a down to earth personality.
00:29:07
A Madonna without the controversy. essentially she was huge mexican-american star in her community and was poised to become a
00:29:14
mainstream success and that community was obsessed with her and proud of her and felt like you know
00:29:21
she was one of their own yeah and she was a big fucking deal yeah and she seemed like a very sweet
00:29:27
person everyone in her band was her family except the guy the guitarist they hired who she ended up
00:29:33
marrying like they were they seem like good people there it's like a jackson five situation
00:29:38
totally like super talented young kid yeah but not creepy and her dad was the manager
00:29:43
um so they were very more like a partridge family but there we go but actually or like a real family fuck um cut that out don cut that out not sorry all right Where am I Cut to mid 1991 Yolanda Saldivar She was So you see all these photos of her and videos of her She was when she got
00:30:09
arrested, she was 35 years old. What? That's quote unquote my age. She's 35. She looks like a fucking
00:30:16
grandma. Yeah. Okay. So 91 Yolanda Saldivar was around 30 and she was an in-home nurse for
00:30:24
patients with terminal cancer and just a fan of Tejano music. Just a fucking random woman.
00:30:32
She had a history of stealing money from her employers as well as trying to become intertwined
00:30:36
with the lives of other performers. And she attended one of Selena's concerts and became
00:30:42
a fucking psychotic fan. With the intent of starting Selena's fan club, she started obsessively
00:30:49
calling Selena's father, leaving almost 15 messages until he gave her permission in June
00:30:54
of 1991 to be the president of the fan club, which sounds like, okay, you know what? Take this,
00:31:00
run with it, do your thing. Right. Right. Because you're harassing us. So I mean, that's, it's,
00:31:06
it's the thing that they didn't know back then that people know nowadays, which is don't engage.
00:31:11
Right. Yeah. 15 calls to anybody at any time is too many. I don't care if like you have a flat
00:31:17
tired and you're calling triple eight too many calls and she wants to run this thing and make us
00:31:22
more money and it's a thing that we haven't started and maybe it'll help her with her like
00:31:26
this is what i'm thinking was there you know what i mean i'm just saying that's three calls
00:31:29
totally in a day totally totally also like you don't need to have contact with her no after that
00:31:35
okay so as president of the fam club she was responsible for membership benefits collecting
00:31:40
money and promoting selena um all that kind of thing and she actually didn't meet selena until
00:31:47
December 91, but they became close friends and Yolanda became a trusted, trusted by her whole
00:31:54
family. In 94, she became Selena's assistant and quit her job as a nurse. Oh, I didn't know that.
00:32:00
Yeah. I did not know that. I thought she was just the fan club. No, she became her assistant. She
00:32:06
quit her job as a nurse, even though she was making more money as a nurse than she was doing
00:32:09
this. Like she was just so obsessed and had posters all over her house and people come over.
00:32:13
she would just make them watch Selena videos, talked about nothing else and was just like,
00:32:20
kind of like crazy about Selena. Wow. Yeah. I was kind of that way about kids in the hall for a
00:32:25
little while, but it was a dark period of my life. Yeah. It was just, I had flunked out of college
00:32:31
and I was just weirdly obsessed. It was when they were running them on comedy central and I just,
00:32:34
it was the only thing that made me happy. That was the creepiest. That was, I've never heard
00:32:41
that laugh before. I just realized, I mean, every, we all have the potential. Everybody likes a thing
00:32:45
like crazy and wants them like has this feeling of like ownership and like, yeah. And like,
00:32:50
no one understands it the way I understand it. It's almost made for me kind of a thing. Yes.
00:32:55
But have you met them and told them that? See, my thing is that, and maybe it's just from working
00:33:00
in TV. I really don't like celebrities. Like there's nothing more disappointing. And I think
00:33:05
most people know it these days from reality TV and stuff. Celebrities are very disappointing in
00:33:10
real life except for us uh yeah no they're just i mean the most they'll be is slightly pleasant
00:33:19
but for the most part you will you will have regretted trying to be like hey can i get a
00:33:25
picture i'm a big fan or whatever you're not gonna love you in and it's some obscure thing
00:33:29
and they don't care okay they don't care it's super weird it's like you know yeah it ruins it
00:33:34
almost so yeah good luck everybody good luck in life with your fucking cute little fantasies
00:33:40
um all right well then so in 94 selena starts opening fashion boutiques she has two of them
00:33:50
opening up it's called selena etc um i didn't know that yeah i didn't either because she has
00:33:56
this crazy style it's very 90s and very like on point like you know almost madonna-y but a little
00:34:03
more hip right cute it's those cute well from what i remember in the movie there's like a lot
00:34:08
of ruffles yeah and a lot of like you know shimmery velvety pants and stuff like that
00:34:14
earrings and red lipstick and yeah it's totally pretty fucking sweet um so so she she's opening
00:34:22
these clothing these fashion stores and asks saldavar to become the manager of the boutiques
00:34:27
so Sal DeVar because of doing this is authorized to write and cash checks had access to the bank accounts
00:34:34
associated with the fan club and the boutiques and Selena gave her an American Express card
00:34:39
for the purpose of conducting company business so she put her stalker she made her stalker
00:34:45
the CEO of the company doesn't know that she's the stalker though oh right oh yeah
00:34:50
Selena has no idea that she's the stalker she just thinks she's a good friend of hers
00:34:54
that's like willing to do all this hard work yeah That's like, you know, Selena's in this bubble of becoming famous and touring and all these things.
00:35:04
And this person is becoming a trusted confidant and is a huge fan. And clearly is an intelligent woman if she's a nurse.
00:35:12
Yeah. That other. Yeah, totally. Okay. Yeah. And everyone said she was very manipulative and good at, you know, being manipulative.
00:35:21
Yeah. 15 calls. That's all I have to say. Yeah. 15 calls. It worked somehow. So within a year, Saldivar had mismanaged the boutiques and they were failing.
00:35:32
And then upon investigation, the family finds out that Saldivar had embezzled more than,
00:35:37
I saw 60,000, but I also saw $100,000 and forged checks from both the fan club and the boutiques.
00:35:43
But Selena refused to believe it. She was like, no way, that's my friend. Like even her father, who was a manager and her husband and brother were like, dude,
00:35:52
they were like dude probably not like that But eventually Selena kind of sees some shit going on and believes it and the family fires her tells her not to come near selena um but selena still wanted to become friends stay
00:36:07
friends she was like you don't work for me anymore but let's stay friends so at this time
00:36:12
saldovar purchases a snub nose 38 caliber revolver and here's what i think is the fucked up thing is a
00:36:20
is 38 caliber hollow point bullets. Then the bullets were designed to cause more extensive injuries
00:36:25
than normal bullets, which like throws out, later we'll talk about it. So on March 31st in 1995,
00:36:33
she convinces Selena to meet her alone in a days in motel room, promising to restore,
00:36:40
to return financial documents that she had stolen and telling Selena that she had to come alone
00:36:45
and that she had, that Yolanda had been raped and needed someone to talk to. Oh no.
00:36:50
And this she has to make up this lie because three other times in the past couple of weeks, Yolanda had tried to get her alone and it had been foiled every time.
00:36:59
And her husband had come or they had met in a parking lot or something like that.
00:37:03
So Yolanda was trying to get her alone. Yeah. So in the hotel room, they kind of they kind of fight over the the documents.
00:37:15
And as they're doing that, the gun comes out and Selena turns to run and out the door and Saldovar shoots her in the back as she's running out, severing an artery leading from her heart.
00:37:28
And it came out the front of her chest on the other side. So it's kind of like a shoulder shot.
00:37:34
And Selena's running towards the motel lobby as she's bleeding. and Saldovar comes,
00:37:41
there was a witness said that she chased after her, pointing the gun at her and calling her a bitch.
00:37:48
Selena ran 130 yards to the motel's lobby and collapsed on the floor. And meanwhile, Yolanda's now trying to escape in her car.
00:37:57
And it was theorized that she's heading to the recording studio where the rest of Selena's family is to kill them too.
00:38:03
That's what they thought. But a police officer who was around the corner responded,
00:38:08
stopped her and instead of getting out of the car she pulls the car into a parking space
00:38:14
and gets kind of blocked in in this parking spot so she's in her car in a parking spot with a gun
00:38:21
won't come out in the meantime the motel staff is trying to help selena an ambulance comes in
00:38:29
less than two minutes but selena's pronounced dead at 105 from loss of blood and cardiac arrest
00:38:36
her last words were this fucking makes me want to cry her last words your yolanda salva salva
00:38:43
salva room 158 those were her last words like not tell my family i love them she was just trying to
00:38:50
make sure they knew yeah which makes me so sad it's just like the last words out of your mouth
00:38:55
are the about your killer's name well yeah i mean i know like i know like you should get them out but
00:39:01
then I just wish it could then be like something sweeter. She was only 23 years old. Oh no. I know
00:39:07
baby. Well an autopsy is performed and this is what I thought when I heard about her running
00:39:13
after getting shot. She died of heart failure. Wait no we realized Selena's heart fueled by
00:39:20
adrenaline and I think from running pumped all the blood out of her circulatory system. So I feel
00:39:26
like if she hadn't run she either might have gotten shot again by yolanda but she but or the
00:39:33
blood might not have it's those hollow point bullets yeah i mean i don't think you can get
00:39:37
shot and it comes out the other side and you can survive that right no because isn't that part of
00:39:42
it is like they explode inside you and so when they come out they just instead of a bullet hole
00:39:47
size coming out it like rips out i mean those things are evil yeah well that's the thing is so
00:39:53
So Saldivar is trying to say, I was trying to say that it was an accident that she was going to kill herself.
00:39:59
But it's like, well, why did you buy those bullets then? Yeah. Like you clearly had a motive.
00:40:05
So meanwhile, there's a nine hour standoff with Yolanda in which she is in her car with the gun to her head,
00:40:12
hysterically on the phone with the hostage or with the negotiator trying to say that she didn't mean to kill her.
00:40:18
She was an accident. She was trying to kill herself. and all these other excuses.
00:40:23
But ultimately, let's see. She gave herself in and she got arrested. She's tried for first degree murder
00:40:32
and claimed that the gun quote accidentally went off and all these other excuses, but ultimately it didn't work.
00:40:39
And the jurors deliberated for less than three hours. And on October 23rd, 1995, they found Saldovara guilty.
00:40:47
She's sentenced to life in prison with the possibility of parole in 30 years, which is going to be March,
00:40:53
2025. But everyone's like, she is so incredibly hated in Texas. She will be murdered.
00:40:59
And she has to be in solitary confinement because of that, because the rest of the,
00:41:05
everybody wants to kill her in jail. Yeah. Everyone in jail who was huge Selena fans her whole life wants to fucking
00:41:10
murder her. Yeah. That's, I mean, yeah. Yeah. So she's, she spends every day, 23 hours a day alone in a nine by six foot,
00:41:19
sell. Let's see. So the case has been described as the most important trial for the Latino
00:41:27
population and it was compared to the O.J. Simpson murder trial. It was one of the most publicly followed
00:41:33
trials in the history of Texas. Wow. Her posthumous 1995 crossover album, Dreaming
00:41:39
of You, debuted at number one on the billboard charts and became triple platinum.
00:41:44
That just gave me chills. I know. She was the first Hispanic artist to have a predominantly Spanish language album
00:41:49
debut and peak at number one. That's so fucking cool. I know. I mean terribly sad but also Because I remember that being in the movie where it like the it a tragedy anyway Yeah But this was someone who was poised on the verge of crossing over at a time before that
00:42:09
was like before J-Lo, before any of those things were happening. Well, we remember like in the late, you and I and people our age will remember in the
00:42:16
late nineties, like this huge, this huge Latin pop explosion. and that was like the first time it became mainstream so selena's doing this in the early
00:42:27
90s yeah so she's for ricky martin right before like any of that where it was kind of like the
00:42:32
sexy you know um shakira any that wasn't yeah that wasn't on um on american pop radio yeah like
00:42:43
that was not on there at all so she was kind of a trailblazer and seemed like a good person and
00:42:49
this fucking psycho bitch fan like i didn't i didn't know i always pictured it differently and
00:42:56
it's just like so fucking tragic well it's also fascinating that thing of like when you can it's
00:43:03
like when you were saying you know she's just this random person but you do trace those things of
00:43:08
like a person who embezzles a person who um like those kind of smaller crimes it that's how every
00:43:16
story goes like this where it's like they always have a background where they're trying to get
00:43:21
anything they want at any price and they have like gray area morals too yeah like i don't like yeah
00:43:30
someone if i knew a friend embezzled money i would not trust that person you're not allowed to steal
00:43:36
money from other people it's not your money no no you don't get to have you have to abide by certain
00:43:41
rules in life and not screw other people over and you don't want to be that person like i remember
00:43:46
there was a cafe I was working at when I was a teen and I had it in my mind. I decided that I could take a $20 bill when I was closing at night so I could
00:43:57
buy beer because they only paid me minimum wage. I had this whole rationalization.
00:44:01
And I did it two times, was racked with guilt about it. And then the manager told me,
00:44:08
did I tell you this earlier? The manager who was also my friend, like someone I hung out with,
00:44:12
he goes, I don't, something's going on. We're always short. I think it might be the janitor. And then I was like, Oh my, because that's what happens. You
00:44:20
steal somebody else could go down for it. Or like, I mean the idea that he even would suspect this
00:44:25
person who has nothing to do with it. Then I thought maybe he told me that because he knew
00:44:30
it was me because it was always me or it was me the two times. And that was just a manipulation,
00:44:34
which God bless you. Genius move. But also like, and then I like the next week I was talking to my
00:44:41
dad on the phone and we were talking about something else. And then he goes, Karen,
00:44:44
there's some people out there that just can't keep their hands out of the till. And then I almost threw up because I was like, I almost wanted to go.
00:44:52
That's me. My dad is my, my sweet dad is talking about bad people. And I'm the bad.
00:44:58
You don't want to be the bad person. No, you don't, you don't need whatever the thing is you think you need.
00:45:02
You don't. And get your own, get your own, get your own. You can. Yeah. Keep your hands out of the kitty.
00:45:11
That's super weird that I talked about that picture. So weird. Sorry about that.
00:45:15
No, I don't care. It's super, like, we've never talked about her before. No, not at all.
00:45:19
That is super weird. All right. Wow. That was a big story to cover. Do you have updates?
00:45:28
Yeah, I do. So Selena's music and legacy, of course, continue to live on. After her death in 1995, a wax statue of Selena was unveiled at Madame Tussauds Hollywood.
00:45:40
and she was inducted into the Texas Women's Hall of Fame at Texas Women's University.
00:45:46
Netflix, of course, released Selena, the series. And in 2023, Rolling Stone ranks Selena
00:45:52
at number 89 on its list of 200 greatest singers of all time, which is incredible.
00:45:58
Also, Mac released a limited edition Selena makeup line. And it's been 30 years since Selena was
00:46:04
murdered, which is crazy that it's been so long. And that means that Yolanda Saldivar is eligible
00:46:08
for parole this year. Her file will be reviewed, including letters of support and protest,
00:46:15
and a case summary will be prepared for the board voting panel. Her parole review date is
00:46:20
March 30th of this year, 2025. So that's something to keep an eye on. It's such a high profile case.
00:46:27
You know, I can't imagine she's going to be paroled. Not that that's what it's about, but.
00:46:32
No, but I mean, that was such a, that story of like a person so inside turning on her is such a nightmare story. It's like, this woman was not a serial killer. She was not like this hardened criminal in this way.
00:46:49
It was something horrible happened and it doesn't feel the same as the story of the usual stories that we tell of, you know, a man being out there trying to kill every woman that he sees.
00:47:00
Right. But she took advantage of this vulnerable person in a way that was so ugly and then killed her when that person found out about it. It's just so cold-blooded to me and just horrible. Yeah, let's keep an eye on that. And so this is another kind of epic story that you've done that gets brought up a lot. And so let's hear Karen's story about the Zankou chicken murders.
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Goodbye. Did I talk about your murder yet? what's interesting it no no all right karen but you've lived near it i'm sure you've heard
00:50:03
about it okay because um it's the zanku chicken murders and there's one uh on my way from work
00:50:13
driving here there's one here i'm not i drove by one let's tell everyone let's give everyone
00:50:17
directions from zanku chicken to my apartment that's why i got real vague yeah um but
00:50:22
yes so my mouth is watering um zanku chicken is so good zanku chicken is legendary in los angeles
00:50:32
if you've ever visited here if you have friends that live here and you're not wealthy you've
00:50:37
probably eaten here because zanku chicken is the best food that you can get for a decent price
00:50:44
and everybody knows it and everybody talks about it it's up there with roscoe's chicken and waffles
00:50:49
in that way of like, if you're here, you have to go try this. Pink's hot dogs, that kind of thing.
00:50:57
Pink's is shit. It's so shit. But it's fun to stand in line drunk. So go there. Not going to lie.
00:51:02
I have fucking chomped some chili dogs in my day. But for 20 years, I've driven by Pink's and watched people standing in line at three in
00:51:09
the morning to get those hot dogs. So the first time I went there, I was like, this is going to be crazy.
00:51:13
And it was just hot dogs. It's just hot dogs. But yeah, they're gross in a good way.
00:51:18
Yeah. it's like greasy drunken food. Totally. Totally. Okay. So, um, there, I got most of my information
00:51:26
from this awesome article from Los Angeles magazine that was written by a guy named Mark
00:51:31
Arax and it's from April 1st, 2008. There's way more information than I could even entertain.
00:51:36
So if this interests you at all, um, look at that, you can Google it and it'll come up right away.
00:51:42
And I remember reading this, um, probably five years ago because the, when this murder happened,
00:51:48
everybody knew about it all of a sudden and everybody was crazy freaked out about it. It'd
00:51:52
be like your local mom and pop cafe, like some terrible thing happening there. But the story
00:51:57
behind it is kind of fascinating because it's like, so in Los Angeles, there's a, there's a city
00:52:03
that's right behind the hill that says Hollywood on it. Right behind that city is both Burbank and
00:52:10
Glendale. I mean, right behind that mountain is Burbank and Glendale. And Glendale has the single
00:52:16
largest population of Armenian people that isn't Armenia in the world. Wow. It's huge.
00:52:25
And Armenians came there after they were, there was the Turkish genocide, which there
00:52:31
we see parades about and, and flags about. And it's like, it's weird because I never heard of anybody being Armenian until I moved
00:52:40
to LA. And now I feel like I know a ton of stuff about the Armenian culture simply because like
00:52:45
I live in Burbank. I live close to Glendale. Yeah. So anyway, this is, this restaurant, Zanku Chicken,
00:52:52
was started originally in Beirut, Lebanon, by a man named Vart. And the pronunciation on this is going to,
00:53:00
if you're Armenian or if you're just not a valley girl, it's going to offend you.
00:53:07
Vartkis Iskandarian and his family started the first Zanku Chicken in Beirut in 1962.
00:53:14
Oh, wow. And then they brought it over here in 1983. And it was, the chain actually was opened by Marderos, who is the son.
00:53:28
And his parents were not interested in having a restaurant in America. They wanted to do dry cleaning, maybe go into the suit business.
00:53:35
They looked into all these other businesses that were more kind of reliable than a restaurant.
00:53:40
but um uh mardyros believed that this he looked around and he saw how few um middle eastern
00:53:49
restaurants there were with so with such huge populations of people that would appreciate the
00:53:54
food there was almost no food to feed them that was like from their home totally So they opened their first restaurant at the corner of Sunset and Normandy in East East
00:54:07
LA. Hello. Hey. And it, the LA Times said it's the best roast chicken in town at any price, which is kind
00:54:16
of really saying something for the she-she restaurants they have here. Absolutely.
00:54:19
The Zagat Guide would say that Zanku was one of America's best meal deals. Oh my goodness.
00:54:26
America, not just LA, which is cool. Jonathan Gold, who's a very famous food writer, he adores Zanku Chicken, reviewed it and said
00:54:35
the chicken was superb and nothing in heaven or on earth compares with the garlic paste.
00:54:41
Oh my God, that garlic paste. The garlic paste is what everybody talks about. And it was invented by Marduros' grandmother.
00:54:48
grandmother shut up and his mother makes it made it all by hand so it was a secret recipe people
00:54:57
still don't know what's in it it's this white paste that you get with your chicken and your
00:55:01
rice and your hummus and your pita this little tub it's like a side on the side and it is
00:55:06
tangy and pungent and garlicky but there's something else going on it's kind of like
00:55:12
butter like you can't figure out all you want to do is eat it and put everything that you eat into
00:55:18
it. Then for the next day, you're belching garlic. Yes. It's like filled with garlic.
00:55:22
You reek of it's, it's quite an experience. Um, so that was kind of their secret weapon. Aside
00:55:30
from the fact that they figured out that other rotisserie chicken places, they realized you have
00:55:35
to move the chicken itself and you have to play with the temperatures. You can't just keep it on
00:55:40
one temperature all the time. So they basically kind of went in there and tried to figure out
00:55:44
how to give people who wanted to eat authentic Middle Eastern food, the best version of that
00:55:50
food and not just go like here, here's whatever, which is amazing. Apparently one time on Curb Your
00:55:56
Enthusiasm, Larry David referred to it as chicken so good it could end the rift in the Middle East.
00:56:02
So like everybody in LA knows about this food. It was also in a Beck song. That's right. That's right. There was a, there's a list on Wikipedia of all the popular culture
00:56:13
things there was a somebody on Buffy the Vampire Slayer also like to eat there so they started as
00:56:21
this hole in the wall chicken place and after I would think like over two years they were making
00:56:27
two million dollars a year holy shit and half of that was pure profit oh my god so they um they
00:56:34
were doing obviously great so there were rumors oh so in this article this is one of my favorite
00:56:40
things in this article um this guy mark the writer talks starts out by talking about the
00:56:46
armenian um culture and everything and he says there's a saying that little old armenian ladies
00:56:53
say in armenian which is let's sit crooked and talk straight which totally made me think of us
00:56:58
oh my god isn't that the best let's sit crooked and talk straight that's basically let's gossip
00:57:04
I that is us to a T and I'm fucking in love with it it's the best so of course in the Armenian
00:57:13
I keep saying culture but what I mean is community they this family rose to prominence
00:57:22
obviously because they're all of a sudden started making this tons of money and their food was crazy
00:57:27
popular but they also were huge philanthropists and gave so much back so they were kind of famous
00:57:33
within that community because they were a huge part of it yeah um so there was gossip it was
00:57:40
never confirmed that pepsi was offering the company 30 million dollars for the chain and
00:57:45
the trademark holy shit um and this was when it was kind of like peaking in in its popularity um
00:57:51
and at that same time even though uh maduros's uh parents did not want to expand they just wanted
00:57:59
to keep that one the first shop so cute um he was like we he kept fighting to expand he's like we
00:58:04
have to do it we have to do it so finally they agreed to split and what they agreed to do was
00:58:09
um i think it's mardiros i sorry if i'm i know i'm pronouncing his name wrong but
00:58:16
they agreed that that he would take the concept and he would build the chain and any stores that
00:58:23
he opened, um, doing that, whether they failed or succeeded would be on him. Um, cause that's
00:58:29
basically what the family was afraid. Don't, don't let's not lose all our money. We got a good thing.
00:58:33
Let's just keep this good thing going. And in return, he would sign over his stake of the
00:58:38
original in Hollywood to his parents and his two sisters, but they weren't splitting. It wasn't,
00:58:43
they weren't, they weren't, you know, it was, they were still completely together as a family.
00:58:48
The garlic paste was still made by his mother at all the Zancous, which I just can't get over as this woman who was probably at the time in her, I would say probably late 60s, early 70s.
00:59:02
And they say in this article, they talk about how this mother, I think her name is Margaret, spelled with RIT.
00:59:12
She worked, she got up at 730 every morning and went into work and worked till seven o'clock at night.
00:59:18
and when she was done cooking for the restaurant she would start to cook for the people that worked
00:59:22
at the restaurant oh my goodness like cook people their homemade you know food from home that they
00:59:26
liked take a break honey no she couldn't do it she was like obsessive which i love oops sorry
00:59:31
that's uh that reminds me of my grandma like my grandmother's index fingers were both bent at
00:59:36
almost like right angles because of how much she cleaned oh my god she was she came over here from
00:59:42
ireland when she was 17 and she was a maid for most of her life until she met my grandfather so
00:59:47
it's like those old country people are just like, we're here to earn it. We're here to fucking get
00:59:53
your shit You able to you able to do it Yeah that right And also if you start a business you got to put give it your all So you make it into something and they really did They were this amazing family success story
01:00:06
And Mardero's, well, he would constantly say to the whole family, success means nothing. If we
01:00:11
don't stay as one greed must never rear its head. There's plenty for all of us. And so he had a
01:00:18
sister and she had two sons and they loved all of each other. They were cousins, but they were,
01:00:22
they felt more like they were each other's, you know, he had four boys, she had two sons.
01:00:27
They were all, you know, very, very close. In fact, his wife was quoted as saying,
01:00:35
before we married, he told me, I'm going to live with my parents my whole life. I will never leave
01:00:40
my mother. She was queen of the house, not me. Next to God, it was his mother. Holy shit. So
01:00:48
just to give you a sense of that uh so medeiros is diagnosed uh sorry i'm i don't have the date
01:00:59
on this but i believe it was in like 2001 i think or so um he gets diagnosed with
01:01:07
inoperable bladder and brain cancer holy shit um so he basically felt like he knew something was
01:01:16
wrong. He had pains in places, but he didn't go to the doctor. He avoided it. And so by the time
01:01:21
he went in, it had spread. Um, so he holds a family meeting and he tells his mother and his
01:01:29
sister and his wife that he's dying and that when he dies, he wants the Zankou business to go to his
01:01:35
four sons. Oh my goodness. Now the problem there is that his four sons were at the time and had
01:01:43
been for a couple of years, fuck ups. And in ways where the oldest son had been caught trying to
01:01:51
cheat on a law school entrance exam. And so it was had been a top student at, I think it was
01:01:58
Woodbridge University. And so he basically got kicked out and was like barred from ever taking
01:02:03
the test because he was going to cheat. So after that, he became an evangelical Christian. He was
01:02:10
like one of those guys that stands on the street like with a bullhorn yeah um the second oldest son
01:02:16
was tried for attempted murder when the pimp of the sex worker that he had just uh visited um
01:02:26
stole money from him and he ended up chasing him up the freeway and shooting at his car and he he
01:02:33
ended up getting uh tried for attempted murder wow and it turned out to be a mistrial
01:02:39
um so he never had to go to jail but of course that mark and and of course you know if this is
01:02:46
the richest family in the community and shit like this starts popping off everyone's talking about it
01:02:51
um then the two younger were basically just on drugs but when i was reading this article it
01:02:57
sounded so harsh but it's like that's that thing of like i i feel like you can't get rich quick
01:03:04
like that and have things just go great. Yeah. Because once you start getting all the money you
01:03:10
want and you can buy all the things you want and you start wanting the things you can't have. Yeah.
01:03:14
And it gets a little nuts like that. Oh, I got it. Um, look at my riches. I just, please watch your behaviors. What I'm saying. Um, okay. So when he makes this announcement,
01:03:27
the room goes silent because that's, he's saying they're the ones that should get it.
01:03:31
And his sister and his mother are both just staring at him. And let's see. It says his mother sat stone faced.
01:03:41
She didn't ask what kind of cancer he had or what the prognosis that the doctors gave him.
01:03:45
Instead, she blurted out in Armenian, your sons, the shadow they cast is not yours.
01:03:50
And then she got up and she walked up the stairs and shut the door. Holy shit. Now she lived with him, as he had said, him and his wife, Rita.
01:04:00
she wouldn't speak to him. So she would get up at 7.30 every morning, go to work, come home.
01:04:10
They'd be standing in the kitchen. She'd get a glass of water and go upstairs and shut the door.
01:04:15
Your son's dying. Yes. And as he was getting chemotherapy, as he was losing his hair,
01:04:20
he ended up losing 60 pounds. Oh my God. He was dying of cancer. Silent treatment.
01:04:27
That's so sad. It's really fucked up. And it's, it's very old country. I mean, it's, it's, it's how some people are. It's hard. And obviously I think knowing at least based on what the wife says, the relationship that he had with his mother, this was breaking him. It was, it was terrible.
01:04:48
so after a year of the silent treatment he went into his mother's room and he took down
01:04:56
there was a picture of him as a child in Beirut with her when he was like four years old
01:05:01
that she had kept up on her dresser he took it down he took out the picture he ripped it in half
01:05:07
he burned the half with her on it and he crumbled up the half with him on it and threw it away
01:05:12
and then put the frame back up and two days later their house catches on fire no yeah yeah and their house they him and his wife almost get
01:05:24
caught in the house they have to get rescued by firemen the house burns down the mother
01:05:30
takes you know her stuff or whatever i don't know how much she had left and moves in with the sister
01:05:36
so she's gone and that's the last house catch on fire we don't know no but he as he's going into
01:05:44
to his sickness and on, you know, I'm sure tons of painkillers. And in a weird place, he's telling his son, Steve,
01:05:51
that the fire is his mother's doing, that she knew based on what he did to the picture that that was her And and oh my god i can stop doing that okay steven we need a new setup um sorry uh so yeah he hallucinating basically and saying that
01:06:11
uh that it was somehow her doing um he believed that his mother and her sisters and his sisters were plotting against him um they are to not give your fucking kids
01:06:26
this goddamn business well yeah i mean i mean yeah yeah they were it's it's everybody's worst
01:06:33
nightmare it's kind of like oh so this this is actually what it comes down to really at the end
01:06:38
um so steve having to hear this and of course loving his grandmother and being in the middle
01:06:44
of it said, can't you ever forgive her? And, um, Marderos was quoted as saying, God will forgive
01:06:53
the devil before I can forgive my mother. Holy shit. Um, and then he said, because this is a
01:06:59
mother, not a devil, which is super sad. It's like, yeah, ultimately your mother turned her
01:07:03
back on you when you were in your worst place. And also it's that thing of, I'm sure after years
01:07:10
and years of busting her ass to make this restaurant work he was going to come in and be
01:07:14
like here's how it's going to happen so it's like giving bad news and bad news she could also be like
01:07:20
you know how some people get mad at someone who's sick because it's easier than the sadness you can
01:07:26
feel yes so she might have been mad at him that she had to watch her son die yes and it's easier
01:07:34
than it's a thousand percent easier yeah yeah that's it's a stage of grief totally but she
01:07:40
um yeah it's it's hard yeah because when someone else has a disease then it's all about them and
01:07:49
how hard it is for them you can't be mad at them like I'm sure she had tons of guilt it was just
01:07:55
this impacted problem yeah um so anyway on january 14th 2003 marderos who had been bedridden
01:08:05
and was dying gets out of bed puts on a white silk suit that he hadn't worn in 20 years
01:08:11
gets a nine millimeter handgun and a 38 caliber revolver whoa and walks down the stairs of his
01:08:20
house his wife rita couldn't believe what she was seeing dude and she she said in the way it's
01:08:27
written in this article for a man so near death cancer everywhere he looked beautiful so he's
01:08:31
having some weird last yeah later on in the article they went uh he does not have that outfit on okay
01:08:40
so they think that she's remembering it because it's this crazy moment and she's remembering him
01:08:47
basically as his beautiful young self that she fell in love with because it's a really beautiful
01:08:53
story but she they lived across the street from each other in beirut and she he was 19 and she
01:08:58
was 12 and he was like no no no they did that that's not when it started that's when she first
01:09:03
noticed him because he was like okay the high roller yeah don't be freaked out um it's actually
01:09:08
very sweet and then when she got older like she was 18 and he was like 26 yeah they started dating
01:09:14
okay um so it's very sweet like she was in love with him all her life um oh i'm gonna cry so she
01:09:21
said you're too weak to go anywhere please get back in bed and he said i feel better don't worry
01:09:26
i'm just gonna go down to zanku and see my friends so she to see an old friend and so she
01:09:32
you know was like all right i'll see you soon but he didn't go to zanku god damn it he didn't go to
01:09:39
Zancou, he went to his sister's house. Um, the housekeeper lets him in. Um, she sits at the
01:09:46
table. The housekeeper gives him lemonade. His sister comes downstairs. She was in the shower.
01:09:51
Um, they sit and have a pleasant conversation and share some lemonade. Um, then a Margaret,
01:09:58
uh, the mother comes home from work, uh, around 2 PM and, uh, she greets him. She says hello to
01:10:07
the daughter first then she says hello to him puts her stuff down sits at the table and the
01:10:12
housekeeper goes downstairs to her apartment because she knows that they need to talk to each
01:10:16
other um so they talk for about five minutes and it's just normal chit chat and then he reaches
01:10:25
into his waistband for his gun and he shoots his sister across the table dead shut up like point
01:10:31
blank. And then his mother screams and runs for the door and he runs after her and he blocks the
01:10:39
door, stands in front of her about like 15 feet away from the door, it said. And he raises the
01:10:44
gun in Armenian. She says, don't shoot me, please. And he shoots her eight times. He shoots her once
01:10:51
she goes down on the ground and then he stands over her and shoots her seven more times.
01:10:55
Holy shit. He looks around the room and sees his 23 year old nephew is on the stairs.
01:11:01
frozen no no and he just turns around goes over into the living room sits on the couch
01:11:07
and shoots himself in the head holy fuck are you serious so oh my god now rita the wife well at least at the time of this article um was had to be in
01:11:26
charge of all the zankas no and it was this whole they were in court about um the trademark and and
01:11:34
who owned the rights to it was it's this huge thing and uh i didn't even get into it because
01:11:40
there's there's so much more to this article a poor woman after year maybe years or maybe however
01:11:47
long taking care of her sick husband yes that's fucking stressful as hell and raising four boys
01:11:53
who are not doing, who are fuck ups. Who were rich kids, you know, who were like,
01:11:59
who were rich kids. And she was a very traditional kind of old school wife where she didn't work.
01:12:05
She didn't go to the store. She stayed home and was a housewife and took care of that family and suddenly just got thrown into this.
01:12:12
I would never want to raise rich kids, you know? No. Well, but also because that's not anything you have experience with.
01:12:18
So like they're having a whole life that you don't even understand. They can do whatever they want.
01:12:22
Yeah. So then after taking care of her sick, dying husband, then this happens and she has to be in charge of so much shit she didn't expect to be in charge of.
01:12:33
Yeah. That poor woman. Yeah. So, I don't know. That's that rough story behind the best restaurant in LA.
01:12:44
Who owns it now? Is it still in the family? I think they still do, but I'm not sure I didn't get.
01:12:48
like once the murder part was over that article goes on forever talking about all
01:12:54
that part. So I figure if people are super interested in who owns the rights to Zanku chicken, you can
01:13:00
go for it. But I don't give a fuck. I want to A, my stomach is growling. Are you hungry now? Oh, that's I want
01:13:08
to eat four chickens. I do too. I'm like already thinking about what I'm going to order tomorrow
01:13:12
when I go there. okay we're back karen do you have any updates there are a couple so and i've actually thought
01:13:23
about this a lot because the line that journalist mark arax used when he wrote this article for los
01:13:30
angeles magazine about the zankou chicken murders that sit crooked and talk straight which is an
01:13:36
Armenian saying, as I learned from Mark Araks in that article, has basically people love
01:13:43
that line and they love it for this podcast. So it's been brought up in relation to this podcast.
01:13:48
So I just want to be very clear that we didn't make it up. Mark Araks actually didn but he did He found it And he you know that that like beautiful long form journalistic work that someone does where they like building out this world not just like you know the hard and fast true crime journalism but like this beautiful story of fully fleshed out of what this family is all about and where they come from
01:14:16
So I thought about that a lot afterwards because it was just like, man, that one part of an article got so kind of popular.
01:14:24
It's stuck. It totally stuck. So thank any older Armenian lady you see the next time you see them if you like that saying because that's who probably her mother said it first.
01:14:34
Anyway, in 2006, a court ruled that the trademark that they were basically all fighting over for Zanku chicken, something I eat literally twice a week minimum, just have to.
01:14:48
The trademark for that belonged to both sides of the family. That's what the court ruled.
01:14:55
So Rita Iskandarian and her four sons own the Zankus that Medeiros opened. The surviving nephews inherited their mother's share, the first Zancou, the one in Hollywood, and they still co-own it with their aunt. Though they all still battle over the trademark, both sides have continued to basically expand the franchise.
01:15:19
Yeah. One thing I love about this podcast is I think a lot of people who listen ended up when they come to L.A. for a vacation, go to Zanku now and Del Taco. And I'm fucking proud of that.
01:15:31
Hell yes. You know, if we've given anyone any like good tips, that's one of the best, I think. Go to Zanku.
01:15:39
Yes. And go to Zanku because the Armenian culture in Los Angeles is huge. Definitely.
01:15:48
It the second largest densest population of Armenians outside of this country of Armenia Yeah Actually that photo that we took is taken My first apartment in Hollywood was in Little Armenia In Little Armenia And it was such a pleasant neighborhood and the shops
01:16:03
And I just, I loved it. Yeah. And that's Little Armenia. And then Big Armenia is Glendale.
01:16:08
It's called Glendale. Get over there with the Kardashians over at the Carousel Restaurant.
01:16:12
But I think it's kind of cool because it's like this story, this restaurant is such a huge part of the city.
01:16:19
and the background of the restaurant is just as much a part of Los Angeles as movies and anything
01:16:26
else. It's like, if you're going to Zancou on your trip out here, you're doing yourself right.
01:16:31
And you're really getting a true taste of LA, I think. Yeah, absolutely. All right. This episode
01:16:36
was originally titled Just the 32 of Us. I mean, it's classic, but just to humor us,
01:16:43
let's see what we would name it these days based on something we said in the episode. So
01:16:49
I like this one. Consider me wrong again, which I said during Corrections Corner. That could be tattooed on my fucking gravestone.
01:16:58
It's a real exercise in humility. Corrections Corner as a practice. I think we've set ourselves up really nicely to just do that inner work every week. How do we fuck up? How do we fuck up?
01:17:10
In public. Yeah, for sure. Also, there's Skippers Come On Home, which is us joking that Skippers should come back, listen to the episode after they finish the intro.
01:17:20
Yeah, start now. Press play now, Skippers. Right. Well, thank you for not skipping.
01:17:24
We appreciate you guys sticking with it. Even if you did skip in the beginning and maybe don't skip now, like, cool.
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Thank you. I feel like people listening to Rewind are the opposite of Skippers. They're just like, we want to hear every dirty, fucked up thing you've ever done.
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We're going to be here for all of it. Yeah. We're going to hear every story. We're going to hear every horrible thing.
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