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My favorite world Yeah, we did. Did we? Yeah, we did. Yeah, we did. Look, it's right there on paper.
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30 let the bodies hit the four. That is illegal. That is, we're going way out of our way.
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Yeah, we got to stop. We should have been stopped. We should have been stopped. They tried.
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So join us as we take you back to a day from history where not one fun or funny thing happened,
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September 14th, 2016. Except for this podcast recording. That's right. Because now we can all be day one listeners.
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so let's listen to the intro of episode 34 let the bodies hit the 34 and let the 30 let the that
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is no the worst 30 let the bodies hit the four so stupid how do we start let's focus on a pain-free
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hour. Okay. I would love that. Just a release. Let's imagine our lower backs, the muscles in our lower backs, red, slowly turning to blue. Thank you.
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Slowly fading to blue. Release, release your sciatic nerve pain. Hi, this is Georgia. My butt is broken and Karen is trying to fix me.
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Hi, I'm Karen. I'm not a trained doctor or professional anyway. I thought maybe if I
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talked in a certain weird tone of voice, Georgia's butt muscle would unclench. It worked.
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Are you okay? I feel great. This whiskey might be helping too, but. This episode might be a little what we call in my family hinky because Georgia has devastating
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back pain and has been suffering from it for two days. This is real. This part is real.
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This is totally real. I've been suffering the back pain forever. And then my sciatic,
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Like, listen, it's real interesting. If anyone has cures, please tweet at us. Just explain it to him so that when you cry out and then we have to hit pause, they know what's happening.
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I think I have a slipped disc in my back for the past couple months. And it has eventually caused my sciatic nerve to be pinched.
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And I am in so much fucking pain. At this moment? Right at this moment, no. But it keeps, like, clenching.
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And then, like, I fucking can't. And I got an MRI today. And like, that's, that's how I let everyone know that it's serious is that I got an MRI
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today. Like that's, you don't, you're not just like, I'm sick. You know, like heating, put a heating pad on it.
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It's like, no, I was in a goddamn machine. Also, I'm sitting on a heating pad. That's right.
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Just like one of your cats. It's my cat's heating pad. It's very cute. Make sure you don't get pinworms.
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What's that? You know, it's like when you're hanging out and share all your stuff with your pets, you
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start getting, you get worms. Like how my cat is sitting on that mechanical pencil with his asshole right now.
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I put a pencil down. Oh, yeah. And Elvis came over and sat on it asshole first. He didn't even sit.
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He placed his asshole on it. Delicately. Yeah. And like a yoga instructor. Purposefully.
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Yeah. Asshole down and then the butt cheeks. Okay. Is my immune system better or worse for living with cats who put their assholes on everything?
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I say better. Right? Because you're able to withstand, now that your body is filled with bugs, you're able to withstand more in the outside world.
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Now that every inch of my body has basically been assholed. Listen, I have two shitty dogs that I never clean.
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And I sleep with them every night. And every once in a while I remember to change that pillowcase.
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And when I do, I go, what do I have? I'm sure I have fleas in my ears. Have they crawled into my brain I feel like our skin would be a lot worse if we were really sick Also I heard that You have pretty great skin Says the girl who has acne
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I also heard that children who grow up around pets have much better immune systems.
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So I'm basically just a big child. Yes. Yeah. I mean, we're just trying to get back some of that youth that we enjoyed so much.
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Surrounded by Anamalia. Your back gets fucked up when you're older. What? I know you're not that old I thought it was gonna be young forever I think it's um you just have
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some emotional releases I think if you took a sledgehammer to an old car or screamed in certain
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people's faces you're welcome to scream at me at any time I have said I want to open that business
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where it's just like you go in a like white painted room and there's just like dishes and
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a sledgehammer and like electronic equipment and you just have five minutes to break shit
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I think they do that in Japan, don't they? Oh, I'm sure they do. I feel like that's something I've seen on the nightly news.
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Let's start this. Okay. Hi, everybody. Oh, I meant the business. I don't, not the podcast.
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Hey, but hey, we might as well do both. Is it housekeeping time? Oh, yeah. Hey, this is my favorite murder with Karen and Georgia.
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Oh, yes, yes. Did you know that? I hope you knew that. You clicked on it, motherfucker.
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Or maybe your cat's asshole sat on your phone. I guess the first moment of corrections corner, because that's why I might as well just always only talk about corrections corner.
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Listen, it turns out Seventh Day Adventists do give gifts. And I don't even remember talking about this.
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I think it's Jehovah's Witnesses that don't. Let's start next week's correction corner.
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What if this is a double correction corner? No, it was. Let me find her because I just faved it because she was laughing and saying, I am a Seventh-day Adventist.
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We do give gifts. I do know that I long ago when I worked at The Gap, I worked with a guy who was a Seventh-day Adventist and claimed because of that he didn't have to work Saturdays.
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So maybe I do have some bitterness deep down. Good for him. Yeah, because I was always standing there on Saturday like, where the fuck is Ramon or whatever his name is.
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but she really enjoyed that. She wasn't mad or anything or offended, but I guess maybe it's,
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isn't there one of those religions that just doesn't observe any of the holidays that like,
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they're just like, we don't do your holidays. Jehovah's witness. Okay. Do you want me to say it one more time?
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I need to believe it. You just keep on saying it, but it has to be me accepting it.
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Jehovah's witness. Oh, okay. Jehovah's witness. As, as like two people who were raised pretty lax in religion,
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right like i'm jewish and you're catholic but not hardcore no we were strictly catholic yeah my
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my i still remember the day my sister and i told my dad we didn't feel like going to church and it
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was as if we were like fuck you mister like it was the fight we got into by going we don't want
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to go to church today was unbelievable like 18 oh my god yo yeah wow serious catholic irish
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catholic old school bullshit when you go home do you have to go to church i well i do go to church
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like i don't have to anymore because i already went through my pseudo goth mod punk phase right
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i never i wasn't able to commit style wise to any of those things sure but i had the spirit and they
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mesh they all mesh yeah it's a lot of black tights and bad attitudes eyeliner but but now it's fun
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because like my niece, it's always something for my niece or a family party or whatever. So now I
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just play along. That's cute. And I, and I also am more spiritual than I was back in those days
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when I just wanted to kick things with my big black shoes. I'll go to temple. Yeah. After my
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bat mitzvah, I was like, fuck this. I will never go to temple again. Right. But now I'm like,
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okay. It's like not about believing in God. It's about having a community and, and history and all this yeah spiritual bullshit i mean i think it's natural to rebel against the
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structures of our youth right uh it feels good so this has been religion corner with ding dong
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with religion religion corner oh what was the other housekeeping oh so sorry to the seventh
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is how that started uh oh also this is episode 34 or as our listener daniel at lf lfc west
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uh suggested we call it so we will call it 30 let the bodies hit the four which is just a
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fucking great well done you daniel that's funny well done you good job also i have to apologize
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I called the band that we were in entertainment weekly with. Remember we were bragging last week
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that we were in our, so we're bragging, bragging. And this is how I am where I'm like me, me, me,
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me, me. And then I'll skim other things and speak on it as if I know what I'm talking about. Well,
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so I called the band that we were in entertainment weekly with, I called them Sunlit Youth.
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Right. The name of the band is Local Natives. And that's their album is Sunlit Youth. The album is called Sunlit Youth. They're local
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natives they're an la native band they're also huge they're huge we had lots of people telling
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us the mistake i made and i didn't know it's super embarrassing because it just makes me feel
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like someone's weird aunt that's trying to hang out at like a teenage party well that's us that's
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a description of us or someone's weird aunt who's trying to hang out at a party god damn it it's
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your exact there's a lot we have to face during this episode and thanks a lot local natives for
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It's really making me get in the face of my own. But here's the upside of that. Okay.
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The band Silver Sun Pickups started following us on Twitter. Shut up. Which must mean, right?
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You wouldn't follow unless it was an accident. That happens to me sometimes where you just touch a thing and suddenly you following it But there is a chance that the people that belong to the insanely amazing band Silver Sun Pickups listen to this podcast
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Who got their name from the Silver Sun Liquor Store in Silver Lake right by where we're at right now.
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That's right. So, yeah, I mean, let's focus on the mistakes I haven't made yet. Indie bands love us.
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Is that true? We're your aunt. Listen, we're your aunt. We support you. You got to love your aunt coming and standing at your show with the big purse and her arms crossed.
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Just actively supporting. And then telling you later who she saw in the past. Like what band?
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I saw Elliot Smith. Come on. Girl, I mean, who haven't I seen? I was there back in the day when Beck walked on stage during that one John Bryan show at the Old Largo.
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I could tell you 50 stories like that. Don't. No, I can't. I would never do that to you.
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You already have so much pain. okay uh it's funny how you you're the housekeeping person well it's always my mistakes
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no what's always is that i won't cop to my mistakes or apologize for them badass i'll i will try to do that more mine are so blatant that people are like
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hi i love you don't be mad but you completely fuck this up yeah but you know what that's in
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the past who listens to episode 33 nobody god it's just like so old it's like so last week
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It's so our dumb aunt. I missed therapy. I slept through therapy today. It's a good sign.
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It's a great sign. That's always a good sign. I mean. Blow off therapy. I forgot therapy and my therapist texted me and was like, hey, I had you down for four.
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And I was like, I'm on pills. I do that probably every other week and I have no excuse.
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You know what? Actually, I had this really amazing therapist recently. Not amazing.
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She and I didn't work out, but I liked her. and she said to me like i have this thing about being late i'm never late and it stresses me out
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and i'm like i get so angry with myself when i'm late and i showed up to my appointment like not
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even 10 minutes late i was like i'm so sorry i fucking i'm a fucking idiot and she was like
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what tell me um tell me why it's like what's wrong with being late or like tell me what you
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you can you should say to yourself about being late and i was like oh like i should i should say
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like it's okay no one's above and i kept saying things and she was like nope and finally i was
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like what do i say and she was just like it's okay that's it yeah it's okay yeah that's all it is it's
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okay everything's okay it's not like you don't have to reason with yourself i miss therapy today
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it happens it's okay if you have something else going on like you have to give yourself a break
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that this isn't standard time. You have crazy back pain that's keeping you from like getting up to get a glass of water.
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So yeah, you might be fucking 10 minutes late for something. And even if I'm five minutes late
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because of whatever the fuck reason, it's okay. It's okay. It like the world, you know, I have to say,
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my dad said this great thing to me one time when I was super crazy, had just flunked out of college,
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was really felt like, I really felt like the world was like melting around me. and he goes and of course I had to like borrow money from him it was like I basically felt like
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the biggest failure and like I was always going to be that that moment I was probably 21 yeah or 20
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and I was I was I just stamped myself permanent loser yeah it defines the you think at that age
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it's that's defining it's a defining moment yeah and thank god at the end of this phone
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conversation my eye goes hey listen really honestly in a hundred years nobody's gonna
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remember this and then i was like oh and that is the best advice yeah like live your life
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knowing that in 100 years like it's so scary to some people like oh we all died in 100 years i
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won't be remembered yeah but also you won't be remembered yeah so fucking relax a little bit or
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you will be by your like great grandchildren and they're like my grandma was a fucking badass
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she did this and this and this i'm not gonna like can you believe my grandma didn't graduate college
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right no no not at all did you see that my dad is now my dad texted me that he's listening
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yes you told me that oh my god i love it can i read everyone who's not following us in all the
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places what the fuck is wrong with you guys uh what he said he said started listening to your
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podcast and wow your voice is great the interaction is terrific let's talk when you can love dad for
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further notes yeah yeah right but he also signed it love dad i was like oh thank you oh then he said
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he signed a text yes and then he said um he said you go girl not fucking kidding yes i wanted to
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call in when you talked about not sitting next to a window to avoid being crushed by an out-of-control
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car crashing on top of you an ad that i always sit facing the door at like a restaurant yeah so i can
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see whoever is coming in to assassinate me or worse. Your dad said that. Yeah. Okay. Now we're
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getting to the root of some stuff. Anxiety. Marty's got it. Yeah. And I was like, can you please call
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and like talk, like leave me a voicemail about how you deal with anxiety or whatever. So I hope
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he's okay with me reading that. Anyways, so should we? We'll mark this, Stephen, for a potential edit
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that we'll never make. Well, hey, here's the thing though. There's nothing to be embarrassed about
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because this is the human condition. I told you that right when my therapist told me once
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that our reptilian brains are built to scan for present danger and then review for past mistakes.
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That's all your brain does constantly. So when you are in that mode of like you are looking around
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to see if a car is coming or what lunatic is coming in the door, that is how the human brain works so we survive That how the saber tooth tiger eat us That the reason that that the reason the hardstarks are here and the kokeriffs are here is because our
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our brains did that correctly. So if that means that we have a bunch of anxiety because in this
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day and age, there aren't any wild animals that are about to jump on our backs and it doesn't
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sync up that much, then yeah, give yourself a break. Yeah. But there are murderers. And so
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we're going to talk about those murderers. Yeah. After a quick break, we're going to get to our favorite.
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Skipper. Sabertooth tiger murderers. This week, it's all saber tooth tigers. Be right back.
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And we're back learning that Marty Hartstark has a little bit anxiety issue. Maybe he learned it through listening to the show where his daughter talks
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about her anxiety issues. Yeah. I mean, they match. It's almost like they're chromosome matches.
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DNA matches. Does Marty have any back pain or sciatica issues like you? He definitely has back pain.
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Listening to this episode or listening kind of like hurt me because that sciatica time period, I look back on now and realize it was all a lot of it was stress and anxiety.
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Yeah. And so I want to like go back to Georgia back then and tell her to read The Body Keeps the Score.
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Yeah. She needs to be going to acupuncture for stress management. I mean, and deal with shit in your life.
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That's like when the therapy was the most intense and important in my life. Yeah.
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Yeah, I was in so much fucking pain. Red light. Also, everyone, red light. Do red light therapy.
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Does red light help for back pain? Oh, my God. I use it every night. Yes. Wow. Red light is incredible.
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Oh, that's great. Infrared light. Don't just like take a light bulb. Have you ever tried an infrared sauna?
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Yep. I have a sauna sleeping bag that I just get it, an infrared sauna sleeping bag that I just fucking tuck into sometimes with cats
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because they love it and go to sleep. It's incredible for my back. Oh, great. I've been looking at those.
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They seem good. All right, let's get into Karen's story. This is yet another epic, epic, awful story of one of the just worst.
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One of the worst. Yeah. This is Karen's story about Richard Speck. Your husband is not who you think he is.
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Your body is not what you thought it was. Your identity is formed by a secret history.
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I'm Dani Shapiro, and these are just a few of the stunning stories I'll be exploring on the 14th season of Family Secrets.
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Just then, we felt the plane turn in the air. So much so that the bags that were under people's seats just kind of flew into the aisle.
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Each week, we dive headfirst into the complex power of secrecy, how it shapes our identities and relationships,
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and how it ultimately can reveal to us our truest selves. My daughter, she's pretending she doesn't know,
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but is trying to cook and feed me and keep me alive because I wasn't eating anything.
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And me pretending like everything was fine. He kind of shoved me out of the way and said, move.
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And he went out the front door and he jumped in a car and drove off. And that was the last time I saw him.
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I'm pretty certain. I closed my computer because I'm pretty certain you're first.
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Okay. Don't you dare. I don't like it being, I like it never knowing. there was somebody actually wait are we back sure there was somebody there was somebody that
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wrote in that was like every week you guys don't know who it is why don't you just do even odd
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number system i know it made me laugh out loud i was like do first of all i without looking i knew
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it was a guy yeah and then secondly i was just like first of all enjoy the charm of not knowing
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enjoy the fact that what we're doing here is like sussing it out as we go every time
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and who wants a number system also here's what happened wait are you even are you odd hold on
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what day is it i'm even i thought it was the 24th is this number 35 so i'm even okay no but i thought
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that meant that if you were even i go first right there's your number system superstar that's worse
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so karen but thanks for the suggestion yeah so you go first this time i'm pretty certain that's you well because i last week beat was beating myself up for being such a
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lazy pants marie stop it uh i did what some might call i believe on other murder podcasts that
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call heavy hitters yeah i'm this week bringing you the mass murderer killer richard speck
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hey do you know him oh fuck hold on uh yeah just shout it right into the microphone when you have
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pain we everybody wants to hear it are you being mean no i mean like it's gonna be part of it that's
00:24:22
okay it's am i excited or am i in extreme pain that's gonna be the well just say just do what
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you feel but don't be don't edit yourself i don't know a ton about richard speck so i'm really
00:24:32
excited about this richard speck has on his wikipedia page there's a couple pieces of
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information that are some of my favorite sentences i've ever read uh for example um when he was six
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years old his father died of a heart attack and his mother remarried a peg-legged drunk with an
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extensive criminal record who she met on a train say that again she remarried a peg-legged drunk
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with an extensive criminal record who she met on a train. Oh my God. Now this was long ago enough that there were still peg leggers around.
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I mean, and you meet people on a train. Yeah. And you're, and, and he's, and he's a drunk.
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So it's like, this guy seems fun and like he's making the most of life. Do you think he, I have so many questions. Go on.
00:25:16
I know. Uh, well also, so, you know, if he's a peg leg drunk, that he's probably not going to be the best stepdad in the world.
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I mean when back then was a stepdad a good stepdad I know this this was really dark days for any kind of secondary parenting
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I think it's funny how even today you hear of a stepdad and you're like and then but then like no he was like you have to you have to tell someone
00:25:42
that this is your stepdad but but then say like he's amazing he's the good he's a good kind yeah yeah it actually it's kind of a dirty word
00:25:50
yeah yeah wait do you have a stepdad no my mom has has had a boyfriend for like 10 years who's like the best dude great my parents divorced when i was
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a kid and luckily never found anyone else to marry them so i got lucky didn't have you don't have to
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deal with any of that shit kids step parents weird strange teenagers that now live in your home no
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supposed to call them brother and like they dated but like it was fine and now my mom's boyfriend's
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like the coolest dude that's great yeah yeah my mom's boyfriend is totally a positive phrase and
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my new stepdad is a nightmare situation. Yeah, that's true. All right. So he, when he was in
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third grade, they, the whole family moved to Texas and they would have 10 different addresses
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in 12 years. So the peg leg drunk didn't work out so good. He was obviously drunk, very angry,
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very abusive, and also had a bit of a criminal background, was a forger and just an all around
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uh texas superstar um so because of that richard um started drinking himself in sixth grade oh my
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god and dropped out of school when he was 16 so a dark start early and bad um so these i'm just
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going to try to go through these very quickly his crimes in texas are as follows when he was 19 he
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met a oh uh well i guess that is when he was 19 he met a 15 year old girl at the state fair on
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three weeks later she was pregnant. Dude. Technically that's statutory rape. Yeah. When
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his daughter was born, his wife didn't know that he was serving a 22 day sentence for disturbing
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the peace after a drunken melee, a phrase I feel like they only use on Wikipedia. When he was 21,
00:27:40
he was arrested for forgery and burglary and sentenced to three years, but paroled after 16
00:27:44
months. A week after his parole, he attacked a woman in the parking lot of her apartment building
00:27:49
with a 17 inch carving knife is that his first like like attack against a female yes as far
00:27:56
aside from family they said that he was very abusive within the family yeah but i don't know
00:28:03
if that was just because the whole family was all fucked up down there once they moved to texas
00:28:08
um but this is his first uh like adult assault because it's so weird to go from like i don't
00:28:14
think i don't think a lot of people go from like burglary and that's and like fighting outside of
00:28:18
a bar to like attacking a woman alone actually burglary is a very common like first uh for and
00:28:26
especially for serial killers they start in burglary yeah just to see if they can it's like
00:28:30
invading people's space and then it kind of goes further but you're right about the drunken usually
00:28:37
you think just somebody that's kind of drunk is isn't gonna no suddenly pull what is over a foot
00:28:44
and a half long knife on someone. Isn't that kind of a sword? That's a really fucking long knife.
00:28:51
When do we go from knife to sword? Like, let's get it down. How long is a sword?
00:28:56
Three, two feet? You're asking the wrong. I watch the knife show sometimes, but I'm usually.
00:29:01
I've watched it with you, Cutlery Corner. Oh, Cutlery. Oh, that's a good show. God damn, that's a good show.
00:29:07
So she got away, luckily, but he was convicted of aggravated assault, given a 16-month sentence,
00:29:14
that's uh and um it was supposed to run concurrently with his parole violation sentence
00:29:21
but due to an error he was released from prison just six months later on completion of his parole
00:29:27
violation uh after i don't think this kind of stuff happens as much here in modern times as
00:29:35
this whole error yeah this weird paperwork jail error shit about your name wrong yeah and suddenly
00:29:42
you're free to go yeah all right so he gets out of prison he works for three months as a driver
00:29:47
for patterson meat company he has six accidents with the truck before he's fired shit after failing
00:29:53
to show up for work now that what they fire him for yeah uh yeah so i guess the accidents he always had a good reason i mean i think this guy is a real he good at talking um he a bullshitter he like
00:30:06
you know a fast talker he's not one of them low iq dudes no he's not one of those okay i don't
00:30:11
think no okay um he so in december 1965 on the recommendation of his mother he uh moved in with
00:30:21
the 29-year-old woman who was an ex-professional wrestler herself and a bartender at his favorite bar, Ginny's Lounge.
00:30:28
She sounds like a fucking badass. I would love to see a picture of her right now.
00:30:32
I would love it. I want to hang out with her. She also needed someone to babysit her three children.
00:30:40
What? So Richard Speck was her man. As you do, you pick the fucking ex-con man. Yeah, instead of hiring a teen girl babysitter,
00:30:49
you go ahead and get a guy that hangs out at the bar that you bartend at what the shit man guys guys
00:30:55
guys in texas in the 60s get your shit together ixnay on the uber stay am i wrong
00:31:01
okay so so so uh i love my plates so a month later his wife files for divorce the same month richard speck stabbed a man in a knife fight at jenny's lounge
00:31:19
um he was charged with aggravated assault but his attorney that his mother hired for him got
00:31:25
the charge reduced uh to disturbing the peace how hilarious is that stabbing someone is disturbing
00:31:32
you know what it is disturbing it is disturbing i had peace before you did it so technically
00:31:37
um that that was like a real good lawyer so he was fined ten dollars and he was jailed for three
00:31:44
days and oh no sorry he was fined ten dollars and then he was jailed for three days after he
00:31:50
failed to pay that fine oh my lord they're letting him off practically scot-free and he's still going
00:31:56
hey go fuck yourself yeah um so this that was the last time he was in police custody in dallas
00:32:02
So this is kind of an amazing crime. On March 5th, 1966, he buys a 12 year old car.
00:32:09
And then he the next night he burglarizes a grocery store, steals 70 cartons of cigarettes, sells them out of the trunk of the car in the same grocery store's parking lot.
00:32:19
Then he abandons the car. So the police trace the car back to him and issue a warrant for his arrest.
00:32:25
But that arrest would have been his 42nd in Dallas. Are you kidding me? Yeah. This sounds like the plot of Raising Arizona.
00:32:34
It's... Son, I believe you got a penny on your head. The best movie of all time.
00:32:42
I love him so much. I love him so much. I love him so much. Okay, so his sister drives him to the bus depot
00:32:52
and he gets a bus and he takes a bus back to Chicago where he still has family. Because they're like, you got to get out of town
00:32:59
or you're done for. Yeah. 42 arrests. So on March 16th, 1966, he finds out that his wife got remarried two days after divorcing him.
00:33:10
And at the end of that month, he gets detained by the police for threatening a man with a knife in a bar.
00:33:17
So Richard Speck, you know, in a sentence, he's all about bars, knives and getting arrested.
00:33:25
It's his passion. so um this is his fresh start in chicago by the way so on april 3rd uh he breaks into the home of
00:33:37
a 65 year old woman in monmouth which is where his sister lives and that's why he's in this small
00:33:42
town in illinois and she comes home at 1 a.m because she's been babysitting the right babysitter
00:33:49
this is who you pick yes an old lady babysitter yeah she walks in the door there's a man standing
00:33:55
in her house six foot tall white man as she describes him who was very polite and spoke
00:34:01
very softly with a southern drawl who blindfolds her ties her up rapes her ransacks the house
00:34:08
and steals the two dollars and fifty cents that she had earned babysitting that evening
00:34:13
so uh then on april 9th a woman named mary k pierce who is a 32 year old barmaid who worked
00:34:23
at her brother's tavern in downtown Monmouth. I'm sure I'm pronouncing it wrong. She was last seen
00:34:30
leaving that tavern at quarter to one in the morning. She was reported missing on April 13th.
00:34:35
Her body was found the same day in an empty hog house behind the tavern. And she died
00:34:41
from a blow to her abdomen that ruptured her liver. So Richard Speck frequented that bar
00:34:49
and he helped build that hog house. Oh no. That was one of the jobs he got was a carpentry job.
00:34:56
His older brother helped him get when he moved to town. So the Monmouth police briefly questioned him
00:35:04
about this woman's death. But when they show up to the Christie hotel, he loves to stay in these flop houses.
00:35:11
That's through the whole story. He has left town. But when they search the room,
00:35:16
they find a radio costume jewelry and other items that the 65-year-old woman had reported missing from her house after her attack.
00:35:27
So now they know. And then they also find other personal effects that are related to other burglaries in town.
00:35:37
So they know this guy has done all of this. Totally. Why did he leave all that shit behind?
00:35:42
Well, because he had to get out of town because he had killed this woman, essentially.
00:35:46
And then he was like, hightails it out and then just doesn't care. So also he's a crazy drunk.
00:35:52
Right. So he not a good planner or probably Packer So he leaves that small town goes back to chicago to stay with his other sister martha uh and martha had worked as a pediatric nurse before she got married which is
00:36:09
just an interest to me was an interesting uh note for later um oh yeah foreshadowing that's right
00:36:18
um so he goes and he joins the merchant marines his brother-in-law recommends that he does that
00:36:28
so it's like it's consistent work you know like you it's it's kind of like when fuck-ups join the
00:36:34
army and to get a little something in them so it's kind of same idea not that all army people
00:36:39
are fuck-ups not in the least please don't send us no no no we support the troops in every way
00:36:44
however sometimes more than most actually i mean really um but no but this is like it and this is
00:36:50
also a thing back in the day like you join the merchant marines when you're kind of listless and
00:36:54
you don't you know it's like it did my brother did it and i was the best fucking person ever yeah
00:36:59
so i get it so i gotta talk about it so you get credit yeah i gotta talk about it
00:37:05
and not gonna hate mail there's there's so many ways to make mistakes i mean you have a podcast
00:37:11
and you're just trying to talk. And you're just speaking and you just piss everyone off.
00:37:15
I really support the Marines. I guess I want to. All right. Sorry. I deviated from that.
00:37:20
It's really something people used to do. Did you see Llewyn Davis? He was trying to get on a ship.
00:37:27
He just he was like a loser musician. Yeah, no, it doesn't matter. We're not we're not bad people.
00:37:32
We're really good people. OK, so he gets he joins the merchant Marines. He gets on a ship.
00:37:37
Four days later, he gets appendicitis and he has to get airlifted to a hospital.
00:37:41
So he stays in this hospital for two weeks after his surgery. And he loves the attention he's getting from these nurses.
00:37:47
And while he's there, he meets and befriends a 28-year-old nurse's aide named Judy.
00:37:53
So once he gets better, he goes back onto the ship. But he is a drunk. And he also takes pills.
00:38:01
So there's lots of... Sounds like me right now. It's totally you. And he had really bad sciatica.
00:38:08
What? Oh, my God. It says it right here. On the ship, he gets drunk. He exposes himself to other crew members.
00:38:18
Gross. He gets into fist fights. Nobody wants to see that shit. Again with the knives.
00:38:22
He's all over the place with the knives. And then finally he gets drunk and yells at a superior officer.
00:38:28
Yeah. So they put what they call put him ashore, which to me visually is so hilarious of like the boat pulls up and fucking
00:38:35
kicks him off. And he gets like stranded in upper Michigan. Holy shit. They just like boot him off.
00:38:41
They're just like, get the fuck out of here. Wow. They later dated him so hard. So hard.
00:38:45
So he goes and finds that woman, Judy, the nurse's aide, Judy, that he met at the hospital.
00:38:54
Judy, Judy, Judy. And he ends up staying at her house. She says the entire time he stays with her for like two weeks, she says he's a perfect gentleman, showered her with gifts, took her to dinner and was amazing.
00:39:07
And at the end of the trip, she lent him 80 bucks so he could take the train back to his sister's house in Chicago.
00:39:16
That's the only nice story that you're going to hear about Richard Speck. I'm glad Judy's okay.
00:39:21
Yeah. She did fine. He gets back on June 30th. By July 11th, he's overstayed his welcome and his sister kicks him out of the house.
00:39:31
So he goes down to the Maritime Hall to get another job on a ship. but, but, but the, they keep saying he has assignments and then they fall through,
00:39:39
which must have something to do with the fact that he got kicked off a ship already, you know?
00:39:42
Yeah. At one point, so he's just kind of wandering around. He has nowhere to go. He's broke.
00:39:48
So his sister come and her husband come visit him on July 13th. She gives him 25 bucks.
00:39:57
They sit in her car and have a conversation. And while they do this, they're sitting outside a
00:40:03
townhouse that is also serves as a nurse's student a student nurse's dormitory oh yeah
00:40:11
oh yeah so basically they have a conversation which i would imagine would be you got to let
00:40:18
me come back because i have nowhere to go and the sister's like fuck no oh you're a lunatic
00:40:23
here's 25 see ya and would not want to be you oh no yeah so see you in with no it's hilarious
00:40:32
so he takes the money he gets a room at a flop house called the shipyard inn and then he starts
00:40:38
day drinking which we know never goes well uh does it for them maybe not yeah no you're right
00:40:46
um i mean i mean for me for me it's just like it's just the promise of an amazing nap
00:40:52
that's all it is it's true for me when i used to drink uh i just knew at some point if i started
00:40:59
drinking like around noon at some time in the evening i would be trying to hit someone in the
00:41:04
face that's me though see i'm like noon to three hard nap to five or six take a shower go out again
00:41:13
get back on that horse or just hang out at home yeah or watch some quality tv yeah um okay so
00:41:20
what he does instead is he day drinks oh no and he starts following a 53 year old woman from bar
00:41:27
to bar who is also day drinking sure and finally he propositions her at the last place that they're
00:41:36
at he gets her to come back to his room with him rapes her steals a black 16 dollar mail order
00:41:46
22 caliber rom pistol there's a lot of detail all of those say that again black i cut and pasted
00:41:52
that so i didn realize that they were going to describe this fucking gun to the teeth but mail order is the problem this is sticking point point for me this is you know what i wish i could critis could give a critique on every wikipedia page because
00:42:06
there's so much overwriting and backwards describing but i but i believe the thing that
00:42:11
stuck out for me yes you were correct about all of that but that you could just mail order a gun
00:42:16
oh yeah i mean i guess there's a knife tv show so why couldn't there be a fucking gotta have our
00:42:21
weapons as americans and by any means possible sure uh okay so after he attacks and brutally
00:42:31
rapes this woman and steals all her shit he goes and eats dinner then he goes back to drink at the
00:42:38
shipyard inn tavern until 10 30 at night then he goes back up to his room and gets dressed entirely
00:42:44
in black oh no that can't be anything good i mean he's not a goth he's not a ninja he's
00:42:51
armed with a switchblade and the stolen gun. He walks a mile and a half back to the townhouse where he was having the
00:43:00
conversation with his sister. And, uh, it is, it's a dormitory. It's, I already said that,
00:43:07
but it's functioning as a dormitory for nursing students for South Chicago community hospital.
00:43:12
Honeys. So he cuts open the screen on a back window. So this screens, man screens.
00:43:19
Yeah. troublesome yeah he cuts open the screen crawls in the window walks up the stairs and knocks on
00:43:27
a bedroom door and a woman named corazon or cora amurah amurah um opens the door and sees a man
00:43:37
standing there holding a gun to her and he pushes into the room there's two other women in bed he
00:43:44
gets them out of bed um and he gets them to come out of the room at gunpoint and go into a bigger
00:43:51
bedroom in the back and then he they he uh goes into these other rooms he finds women i'm sure
00:43:59
that those they screamed or made some weird noise he goes basically into each room collects up all
00:44:05
the women that are in this dormitory and puts them all into this back room um and then he which
00:44:11
is to me i think as i was reading this kind of a crucial point uh he turns off the light in the
00:44:17
room then he lights a cigarette and sits on the floor he has them sitting in a semicircle and he
00:44:23
very again politely and in his quiet southern drawl starts explaining to them how he's not
00:44:28
going to hurt them he just wants money he's trying to leave town he's just going to get a bunch of
00:44:33
money from them and then he he puts out the cigarette stands up takes out a switchblade
00:44:41
and starts cutting up a sheet. And he ties the hands and feet of all these nursing students.
00:44:48
And then he picks up the first girl and like to go as if to say, you know, we're going to go get your purse.
00:44:56
Like I'm going to, you're going to get me your money. And her name was Pamela Wilkening.
00:45:02
And Pamela fucking spits in his face and says, I can, I will be able to pick you out of a lineup.
00:45:09
Oh no. Yeah. God bless her soul. He takes her into the other room and he starts to rape her.
00:45:17
And two other nursing students who had just come home walk in on them. So he pushes Pamela down.
00:45:28
He takes the other two into another room and strangles and stabs them and kills them and leaves them in that room.
00:45:35
Then he goes back to Pamela, stabs her once in the heart. Oh, honey. Then he goes back to the group of women that are waiting in the room.
00:45:41
And they have no idea. They have no idea, but you know they're hearing noises. And it's that thing where I honestly think that,
00:45:48
because a lot of people talk about that, why would these, there was, ultimately there were eight nursing students sitting in a circle.
00:45:55
But first of all, he had a gun on them. And it's that thing of like, I don't want to hurt you.
00:46:00
I just need money. So everyone's thinking, and they're nursing students. So they know psychologically you want to be complicit.
00:46:07
You want to go along. operate keep him calm clearly he's probably drunk he was probably very overtly drunk and he was on
00:46:14
speed so they were probably just trying to keep everything like doing what he wanted trusting that
00:46:20
he was doing what he said which of course he fucking wasn't yeah so he goes back in and he
00:46:26
just keeps taking them out one by one and at one point cora the one who opened the door first
00:46:32
gets out of her ties and rolls under a bed and just stays in there. And then as he's
00:46:42
taking them out, they're hearing noises and they all, like, they don't know what to do. They're staying really quiet.
00:46:50
And then, and she describes all of this later on. Basically, the second to last woman,
00:47:00
he rapes in the room. So she sees and hears it um and then he kills her and she is just pressed up under a bed against the
00:47:10
wall praying yeah so all in all he killed eight women that night pamela wilkening who was 20
00:47:19
patricia matuzek who was 20 nina joe schmali who was 24 suzanne ferris who was 21 mary ann jordan
00:47:26
who was 20, Merlita Gargulo, who was 22, Valentina Passion, who was 23, and Gloria
00:47:33
Davey, who was 22. And then he walks out the front door. He throws his knife into the Calumet
00:47:42
River and he goes home and goes to bed thinking that he has committed the perfect crime because
00:47:50
he killed all of the women. But he didn't because Cora was still under the bed. She
00:47:56
He waited until six in the morning. And then she opened a window and started crawling out the window, screaming, they're dead.
00:48:06
All of my friends are dead. Oh, my God. There's a woman across the street who was doing laundry in her house.
00:48:14
And here's what she thought. She thought a baby was crying. And she opens her front window and sees Cora out the back window, just screaming out the window.
00:48:22
So she goes over there. Then she wakes up like the house mother for all the dormitories.
00:48:28
and this fucking house mother walked through the house seeing every every room there was a
00:48:33
different dead body i mean it was it was a disaster when the police finally came
00:48:38
the policeman who was first on the scene had only been on the force for 18 months
00:48:45
so he walked through and he was when he came back out of the house this is actually kind of
00:48:51
fascinating back then they had reporters who would listen to the the police radios and they would
00:48:56
just drive around and like you know oh there was a house caught on fire or whatever yeah
00:49:00
so this guy that was the reporter that heard this call was there probably five minutes after this
00:49:08
first cop and when he got there he said the guy had his hat on backwards he his shirt was out of
00:49:13
his untucked he he was walking in circles he was completely in shock and um the guy said what's
00:49:22
going on and he said they're all dead and they said go look and so this reporter walked into the
00:49:27
scene and so he actually talked about it where he said there was so much blood in the hallway
00:49:33
that it can't as you walk through the hallway because it was coming out of the rooms oh my god
00:49:39
that you would step down and it would come up over the sole of your shoe and to the top of your shoe
00:49:46
fuck and they were in every single room it was so when the when the rest of the cops finally appear
00:49:51
there you know there there's some cops outside and their cops would walk into the house and then
00:49:58
come out and throw up and then the other cops that hadn't gone in yet were giving them shit like oh
00:50:03
yeah you know maybe you've been on the force too long then they'd go up and they'd come out and
00:50:08
throw up and every single cop that arrived on the scene vomited you think one would be like i'm gonna
00:50:14
stay out of there where they have to go in right this is the fucking job so that's what a nightmarish
00:50:20
insane and also this was 66 this was before manson this was before anything there was no
00:50:27
spree killings back then or not really or like the ones that they'd had like the in cold blood
00:50:31
one where it's like a family but they were in those beds and it was gunshot wounds this was like
00:50:35
a knife and strangulation and just extreme fuck so uh they but there are fingerprints all over
00:50:46
the scene so and the fbi comes in immediately so they get they find out that it's richard speck
00:50:52
like within um within three days of the attack they have his picture they also have the um picture
00:51:01
that with the cord described him to the cops right and that those two pictures um run in the
00:51:08
newspaper alongside uh the information that he has a tattoo on his forearm that says born to
00:51:14
raise hell fuck can you imagine seeing like your sibling oh oh yeah i mean like knowing it's him
00:51:22
and that he did this this thing that is beyond monstrous like beyond so when when speck
00:51:31
realizes his pictures in the paper he can't go anywhere he can't he's in this flop house
00:51:36
and he doesn't know what to do so he commits tries to commit suicide he attempts suicide
00:51:43
drinks a bottle of old wine breaks the bottle and then slashes his wrists but then at the 11th hour
00:51:50
calls downstairs and says call an ambulance because i'm dying and so they take him to the
00:51:57
let's see they take him to Cook County Hospital and Dr. Leroy Smith who was a 25 year old
00:52:06
surgical student had read had just read the newspaper saw the born to race hell tattoo detail and when
00:52:14
he walked up on this suicide case sees that tattoo and says I think he just immediately called the
00:52:22
cops but then later when Richard Speck asked for water he said did you give any of those nurses water and just walked away so but then the cops were
00:52:34
actually very careful they like stayed around him the whole time because they knew this was
00:52:40
this situation where like he could get killed before he ever gets tried yeah because this is
00:52:46
he is such like for three days this chicago was in total terror so um also there were concerns
00:52:55
because there was a recent Miranda case that vacated a conviction, actually for a number of criminals, vacated a bunch of convictions.
00:53:02
So they didn't even question him for three weeks because they needed to make sure everything was going to go
00:53:10
exactly how it was supposed to go for the case. Yeah. So when they finally do bring him to trial,
00:53:17
they have to move it to Peoria, which is three miles away from Chicago because they know there's no way they can get him a fair trial in Chicago.
00:53:25
and there's a gag order on the press which they used to do i don't know why they don't do that
00:53:29
anymore oh right we're like you just can't publish anything there's no reporters allowed and they
00:53:34
let the whole thing proceed as it would naturally which would make sense because
00:53:40
like once they're caught and going to trial you don't need to know anything you just tell us what happened yeah yeah at the end yeah uh it's not the world we live in though
00:53:50
Neil? So the beautiful part is they were so worried about Cora because of what she you know this horrible thing she went through And now she has to face him in court And they were really worried that she wasn going to be able to do it
00:54:06
Not only did she fucking do it, when they said, can you identify the killer? Is he in this room?
00:54:13
She stood up from the witness box, walked over to Richard Speck, pointed into his face.
00:54:20
And they said she almost touched his face and said, this is the man. holy shit and they i just gave myself chills and they i love that so much yeah because it must have
00:54:30
been the fucking scariest thing in the world totally and she practically flicked his cheek
00:54:35
and that's amazing they said because of that eyewitness account they the jury deliberated
00:54:43
for 49 minutes before they came back with the death penalty wow um so on june 5th judge herbert
00:54:52
j passion sentenced back to die in the electric chair um but uh they illinois had to reverse
00:55:02
his death penalty because they said that they unconstitutionally excluded potential jury members
00:55:12
when they were trying to find the jury so instead the judge that was forced to get to vacate the death penalty gave him 1200 years in prison um so uh every time he came up
00:55:30
for parole after in all the years he was in prison he was denied within 10 minutes good
00:55:37
i can't believe he even got a chance to plead his case for parole i mean i think the thing at the
00:55:44
end of the day because they you know they did they examined him you know for like was he insane
00:55:51
was he dizzy did he not know what he was doing was he incompetent or whatever and uh there was
00:55:57
a psychologist or they did an examination of his brain and they did see that the hippocampus which
00:56:04
involves memory right and the amygdala which deals with rage and strong emotions encroached
00:56:11
upon each other. And the boundaries of the two were blurred. And a neurologist who examined those,
00:56:19
the photos of those tissue samples, because the real tissue samples were sent to a Boston
00:56:25
neurologist for further study and were lost or stolen, of course. But a neurologist who examined
00:56:33
photos of the tissue samples, along with the results of an EEG said, I've never heard of this
00:56:40
type of abnormality in the history of neurology weird uh so any abnormality uh that exceptional
00:56:47
has got to have an exceptional consequence um so he's it's all that combined with the you know
00:56:57
the perfect storm of the horrible father the childhood abuse and he also was diagnosed with
00:57:04
organic brain syndrome because of the hit his head as a kid that's right he fell from a tree
00:57:13
at white rock lake when he was an adolescent and he suffered cerebral injuries son of bitch
00:57:21
it's there again isn't that the weirdest thing in the world yeah so but anyway also i would just
00:57:27
like to say he took reds i think is what they called them at the time which was basically speed
00:57:33
and he would take like handfuls of them at a time. And as a person who took Fen-Fen in the 90s,
00:57:40
I would just like to say I would take two a day and I was a monster. I was a lunatic on those pills for like two years.
00:57:49
The fact that he like abused that kind of like amphetamines, he must have been, I mean, so he's already crazy.
00:57:59
He's already a monster. And then he's on pills that make you even more of a monster.
00:58:03
So just to kind of like, you know, to somehow connect with what happened in that dormitory because it was like living hell.
00:58:13
Yeah. And that's what drugs do to you. Fuck. I mean, not to be your mom about it.
00:58:20
Be my aunt about it. Look, the weird aunt is here in every way. Don't do what I do, kids.
00:58:26
um here's the thing that everybody talks about about richard speck though aside from that terrible
00:58:32
killing and being this like loathed mass murderer there's a very famous video that got sent to bill
00:58:40
curtis our man bill curtis um that someone an anonymous attorney sent it to bill curtis uh
00:58:49
in 1988 and someone inside um the sorry the jail where he was i don't know if it's cook county or
00:59:03
if it was in a different jail but someone they made a video of what the what it was like to be
00:59:08
a prisoner in this jail and this is the video where where richard speck is in women's underwear
00:59:15
and no shirt and he has small women's breasts because he was taking hormones to transition
00:59:25
while he was in jail he was able to smuggle hormones in so he had basically had like kind of
00:59:32
like very perky b-cup breasts i've never seen this it's so disturbing he's just and he sits
00:59:40
there with no shirt on with his little boobs in women's underwear talking about these murders
00:59:47
and it is fucked well he he's he's clearly trying to be the big man yeah uh because there's a
00:59:54
another prisoner sitting next to him so he just talking about how strong you have to be to strangle somebody and then it not like you see it on tv it takes a long time oh my god and he talks about how the the one of the women that he killed was flirting with him just crazy shit that like holy
01:00:11
shit when you see it you're like yeah it's so they showed it uh the illinois legislature
01:00:18
packed an auditorium and they showed it what and they ended up turning it off when it came to the
01:00:24
part where Richard Speck started fellating the prisoner that he was sitting next to.
01:00:31
What in the actual fuck? And it was basically, I read somewhere that it said that they did it because they wanted
01:00:38
to bring the death penalty back. They were mad that Illinois got rid of the death penalty.
01:00:43
And it was basically trying to say, this is what's happening. They're just sitting in prison, having this great time.
01:00:49
And that was one of the quotes Richard Speck said. if they knew how much fun I was having in here,
01:00:53
they'd set me free. Oh my God, dude. But too bad for you because Richard Speck died of a heart attack in prison.
01:01:02
Good. And they say no one claimed the body, but he was cremated and his ashes were sprinkled somewhere.
01:01:08
So somebody must have done something with the body. Where were they sprinkled? They didn't say.
01:01:13
Somewhere near Joliet. Fuck. And that is the super bummer story of Richard Speck.
01:01:22
What a piece of shit. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, wow. Wow. So dark. Yeah. Karen, do you have any updates?
01:01:34
I do. Let's see. So in the year leading up to the trial of Richard Speck and those murders,
01:01:42
the sole survivor, Corazon Amarau, became friends with the four policemen who guarded her while she was in protective custody.
01:01:49
They took her shopping. They took her to mass. They taught her how to play poker.
01:01:53
And then when it came time for her to testify, she asked for them to sit in the front row so that basically they were there for her while she did the hardest thing.
01:02:06
Wow. That's beautiful. And then ultimately she went back to the Philippines. She got married and then moved back to the U.S. with her family.
01:02:13
and she worked as a nurse in Washington, D.C. area until she retired. And now she is in her 80s.
01:02:20
She's a grandmother. She's described as a very happy person who enjoys life and laughs a lot.
01:02:26
And she still likes playing poker like those cops taught her. Oh, my God. I love her.
01:02:31
I want her to be my grandma. I mean, again, it's like such this I feel like happens all the time when we talk about survivors.
01:02:39
These people, the reason we love talking about them is like it's such an inspiring kind of galvanizing thing for yourself and the difficulty that you feel like you might be going through.
01:02:50
You hear a story like that, hear Corazon being such an incredibly strong, like getting through it, making her life, like basically saying fuck you to that experience and making a life where she's happy.
01:03:04
Being brave and then also asking for something that she needs, like having those four officers in the front row.
01:03:08
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Thank you. You're welcome. We're about to give a big old high five to Australia.
01:05:51
Oh. By talking about the deadliest mass shooting in Australian history the Port Arthur massacre Fuck Here we go So it was early 1987
01:06:07
Martin Bryant, 19 year old dude, IQ of 66. Yeah, that face you're making is correct.
01:06:15
Meets a 54 year old woman. She's a Harris to a lottery fortune. I'm sure. I don't know.
01:06:25
Did you call her a Harris? Did I call her a Harris? I'm on pain pills. Heiress. I meant heiress.
01:06:31
I was like, she's one of the Harris's? What the fuck are you talking about? No. No, we cannot.
01:06:38
You guys, so much pain right now. Use the pain. I'm in so much pain. She's a Harris.
01:06:42
She's a Harris. Sorry. Sorry. No, I'm glad you pointed that out. Otherwise, you'll be like, what the fuck?
01:06:49
All right. 54-year-old Helen Mary Elizabeth Harvey is an heiress to a lottery fortune.
01:06:55
Well, sorry, if you win the lottery, like, I don't know if this means so. You can't just call yourself a Harris.
01:07:01
Well, I don't know if she's a Harris. It's the share in the tatter Saul's lottery fortune.
01:07:08
So they could be like the head of a lottery. Got it. I don't know. Australia is different than here.
01:07:13
I guess if you started the lottery, you're the richest one of all. Okay. Yeah. Got it.
01:07:17
Got it. So he's a lawnmower and he meets her while he's looking for more customers.
01:07:25
and they befriend each other. He becomes a regular visitor to her. All right. You ready for some fucking Gray Gardens action?
01:07:32
Hello. Yes. All right. Neglected Newtown Mansion and assist with tasks such as feeding their 14 dogs
01:07:42
that are living inside the house. Yes, like me. And the 40 cats living inside her garage.
01:07:47
Karen, you and I need to move there immediately. All of our cat and dog dreams can come true.
01:07:53
And we have a hot, stupid 19-year-old fucking doing shit for us. Just mowing that lawn.
01:07:59
That's some Grey Gardens shit. I mean, first of all, the level of dog and cat fighting, if you had 16 dogs and 40 cats,
01:08:07
what the fuck? Cats win. I would just be walking around all day going, stop it, stop it.
01:08:13
That's smoky. But you know, they're like, be nice to your sister. But you have to do it with an Australian accent.
01:08:19
I won't even. I can't. I don't want to piss off a bunch of more Australians. after incorrectly saying that one of their murders was from,
01:08:27
or one of New Zealand's murders was based on that. New Zealand, they're the ones that got pissed.
01:08:31
That's true. And they're the ones you don't fuck with. Yeah. Lord of the Rings. Okay, go ahead.
01:08:35
Harris. Anyways. Harris. I like Harris. Harris. So in June of 1990, the family or the house just finally reported to the health authorities
01:08:47
and medics found that uh mary and her mom were in need of urgent hospital treatment
01:08:54
the 79 year old mother hilva died several weeks later a cleanup order was placed and
01:09:03
martin's father was like gonna try to help clean everything up because he's like taking care of his
01:09:10
stupid son all the time so should you be saying that well he is a mass murderer i don't think
01:09:15
anyone cares that's okay okay no you're right i shouldn't be saying that i don't know i'm so
01:09:21
you're so scared of correction corner i mean you're correct you're my correction corner just
01:09:27
keeps getting bigger you come correct let's come correct yeah so um mary invites martin to live
01:09:36
with her in this mansion and they start spending huge amounts of money they purchase more than 30
01:09:42
new cars in less than three years what i know that this is the harris the harris and her lawnmower
01:09:49
her harris and her hot i don't know if he's hot her fucking new boyfriend got it yeah are wait are
01:09:54
they boyfriend girlfriend i don't know i don't think it's explicitly says but i think it's like
01:09:59
part of if they're not boning there's some like relationship okay got it so uh so martin is is
01:10:10
reassessed for his pension and a note attached to his paperwork says at the time father protects him
01:10:17
from any occasion which might upset him as he continually threatens violence martin tells me
01:10:22
he would like to go around shooting people it would be unsafe to allow martin out of his parents
01:10:28
control that's why i said that to take care of his stupid son right i got it not because i'm a
01:10:33
terrible person right so in 91 um mary and martin moved into a 72 acre farm and the neighbors said
01:10:44
he always carried an air gun and often fired at tourists as they stopped to buy apples at a stall
01:10:49
on the highway um and he would roam around the property firing the gun at dogs when they barked
01:10:55
at him which is probably always yeah because he was a piece of shit also when you fire guns it
01:11:00
makes dogs bark so it's kind of a self-perpetuating situation there you go dog expert
01:11:06
gun firing got a dog expert but it was an air that was he was firing an air gun so he was just
01:11:15
he was just going emotions okay yeah so then on october 20th 1992 mary his harris was killed in
01:11:26
a car wreck when her car veered onto the wrong side of the road and hit an oncoming car directly
01:11:32
and martin was inside the car at the time of the accident and he was hospitalized
01:11:37
but he was investigated by police because he had a habit of lunging for the steering wheel
01:11:44
and um she had already had three accidents as a result of him doing this hold on yeah
01:11:51
Then what after the first time aren't you like you don't get to come into the car anymore?
01:11:57
She was an old Harris and like she needed to go. company shit yeah but my brother if he's in the car with me and i'm driving he fucks with me i mean
01:12:06
he doesn't run to the steering wheel but he fucking won't stop turning the fucking windshield wipers
01:12:10
on every five fucking minutes when we're stopped at a stoplight he pulls the emergency brake every
01:12:15
fucking time just fuck with me that reminds me of my cousin stevie when he finally got his license
01:12:19
i was like 10 and he was 16 and he would drive me home from school and then as he was driving
01:12:24
down the road he'd go dead body and just fall over and i would have to jump over and start
01:12:30
steering from the passenger seat so dangerous he did shit like that constantly can i out marty my
01:12:36
dad real quick when we used to fucking he used to drive us up to lake arrowhead where he lived for a
01:12:42
while i like these dark windy roads and we'd say dad how would i drive and he'd go georgia would
01:12:49
drive like this and then just start weaving all over the fucking road and lee how would i drive
01:12:56
that you would drive like this dark fucking mountain like no guardrail over georgia would
01:13:05
drive i think it was just a shut the fuck like to shut us up yes after four hours boring yeah i mean
01:13:11
it's boring to hang out with little kids it's a bore man make it interesting we almost died so
01:13:18
many times. God, that's so hilarious. I remember one time being so small that I could stand up in
01:13:23
the backseat of my dad's VW bug. I could stand behind the driver's seat. On the seat? I was
01:13:30
standing on the floor of the car. I was as tall as the seat. So I was probably five. Yeah. And I
01:13:36
thought it was really funny. I reached up and just covered my dad's eyes. And his reaction was to
01:13:42
start laughing. But he was like, knock it off, knock it off. And he would pull up my hands. And
01:13:47
then that was like the game on that car trip so i would do it and then the next time i did it i was
01:13:52
like a little crazy monkey where i wouldn't take my hands off like he couldn't peel and he was like
01:13:57
garrison jesus christ i'm done till you have to let go i can't see it was now i'm just having all
01:14:04
these recovered memories of because we lived out in the country too so you had a lot longer before
01:14:10
something bad was going to happen when stuff like that was going on how are we alive i don't know
01:14:15
Maybe we're not. You know what? Maybe this is a Jacob's Ladder situation that's not nightmarish.
01:14:20
That's just like going pretty well. It's pretty fun, you guys. I like it. That's why we're number one is because it's just not real.
01:14:29
There's like no way in real life. A massive hallucination. And then we're about to get dropped into the bowels of hell.
01:14:35
Yeah. Chris Hardwick is like, why would you think that this would be real? That you would be bigger than me?
01:14:41
Oh, please. No one's bigger than Chris Hardwick. My head hurts. Okay. and back what and back and my butt so okay he was the sole beneficiary of her will and came
01:14:56
into yes but 550 000 not about much money well i guess you know after taxes yeah and he didn't
01:15:05
know shit about money his mother applied and was granted guardianship of the money so his assets
01:15:11
were under the management of public trustees because he had diminished intellectual capacity.
01:15:18
I see. You know what I'm saying? Yes. So after her death, Martin's father, Maurice,
01:15:25
looked after the farm that they had fucking lived on with all the animals. And he returned home after the hospital as a convalesce.
01:15:36
Let's see. His father had been prescribed antidepressants and two months later on August 14th,
01:15:44
a visitor looking for the father, Maurice, found a note saying, call the police, pin to the door,
01:15:50
and found several thousand dollars in his car. There was no criminal intent suspected.
01:16:01
Let's see. They searched the property without success. Divers were called to search the four dams on the property
01:16:07
and on August 16th, his body was found in the dam close to the farmhouse with one of Martin's
01:16:13
diving weight belts around his neck. Police described the death as unnatural and that the death was ruled a suicide And Martin Martin inherited his father money as well sorry they okay no no just they ruled it unnatural i think meaning he had committed suicide
01:16:37
not that he was murdered okay dang okay yeah so like he didn't fall in on accident i got it
01:16:43
okay so martin comes becomes super weird he so now he's by himself yeah i think his mom
01:16:51
His mom can't keep custody of him, so he's living in this place. He becomes super weird.
01:16:56
He starts, instead of dressing normally, wears gray linen suit, cravat. I don't know what that is.
01:17:03
That's a French for a tie. Thank you. Linen skin shoes and a Panama hat while carrying a briefcase during the day telling anyone who
01:17:11
listened that he had a well-paying career. So he's playing successful adult. Yeah.
01:17:17
Got it. And he got super lonely. he starts visiting various overseas countries more than 14 times in two years.
01:17:23
Oh, it's like basically living the life all of us want without the murder part. Right.
01:17:27
I don't just like, enjoy it, dude. Yeah. He hates all the destinations he goes to,
01:17:34
but he enjoys the flights as he could speak to the people sitting next to him who had no choice,
01:17:40
but to listen and be polite. Okay. Yeah. This is when you stop having any. There's no empathy left.
01:17:47
Yeah. he's getting shit face all the time he's drinking a lot of booze oh i wanted to tell you that he
01:17:51
drinks uh half a bottle of sambuca and a bottle of irish bailey's irish cream every day supplemented
01:17:58
with port wine what that is when i'm 23 does he also smoke cloves that is all just the sweetest
01:18:08
that's man no that's like saying you want just drink a milkshake that's the equivalent of hitting
01:18:13
your head as a kid really you know what i mean wait sambuca and bailey's sambuca bailey's and
01:18:19
port wine which is just sweet dessert wine oh it's disgusting that's like drinking barf yeah
01:18:26
he's drinking when like a sorority girl drinks her first time drinking yeah and her second all
01:18:32
right day of the shooting sorry here we go his first victims are poor poor david and sally martin
01:18:38
no no relation oh wait no his first name is martin so of course it wouldn't be anyways
01:18:43
moving on they own they own the bed and breakfast guest house that the martins had bought so this
01:18:50
family had bought the bmb that brian's father had wanted to buy and uh and he believed that the
01:18:59
martins had deliberately bought the property to hurt his family and blamed them for the depression
01:19:04
that led to his dad's death so he shoots them in the guest house and then he goes to port arthur
01:19:10
ruins and he enters the broad arrow cafe um he eats and then he goes to the back of the cafe
01:19:18
sets a video camera on a vacant table takes out a semi-automatic rifle and begins shooting patrons
01:19:24
and staff within 15 seconds he'd fired 17 shots killing 12 people and wounding 10 then he walks
01:19:31
the other side of the shop and fires 12 more times killing another eight people and wounding two
01:19:36
he then changes magazines before fleeing shooting six people in the car park and from his car as he
01:19:44
drove away four were killed and an additional six were injured oh my fuck and he recorded it on a
01:19:51
video camera this guy's a piece of shit drives down the road he's crazy though i mean like that's
01:19:57
he's not okay in any way he's insane oh he goes down the road wait it gets worse
01:20:04
there's a woman and her two children walking he stops and fires two shots killing the woman and
01:20:11
the child she was carrying oh let me the older child gets killed too i don't want to
01:20:17
then he steals a bmw by killing all four of its occupants god damn and then a short distance down
01:20:25
the road he stops beside a couple in a white toyota and drawing his weapon ordered the man
01:20:30
into the boot of the BMW. After shutting the boot, he fires two shots into the windscreen of the Toyota,
01:20:37
killing the female driver. Goes back to the guest house with the guy in his trunk.
01:20:44
Sets the stolen car on fire and takes the hostage inside with the corpses of the BMW people So he goes back to the BMW But he didn light the car and leave the guy and say okay okay the police get there and they try to negotiate for many hours
01:21:01
and then the phone dies in the back the battery phone dies um his only demand was to be transported
01:21:07
an army helicopter to an airport like you're gonna fucking get away dude just well 66 iq he's he's
01:21:14
just yeah improv-ing so at some point he kills his hostage oh the next morning it's been 18 hours
01:21:22
since he's been there he sets fire to the guest house and attempts to escape he gets burns on his
01:21:29
back and butt and was captured and taken to the hospital and he's treated and kept under heavy
01:21:34
guard so initially he pleads not guilty to the 35 murders oh my god and didn't provide any
01:21:43
confession however he changed his plea to guilty um before before a court hearing on november in
01:21:49
november 19th 1996 finds found guilty of all charges the judge orders that all evidence for
01:21:55
the case be sealed i don't understand i guess he just doesn't want the video to get out probably
01:22:00
right if he's already because if he's already pleaded guilty he's gonna go to jail so yeah
01:22:05
that guy that guy was like we're shutting this circus down now make this be a thing
01:22:09
That's good. He's sentenced to 35 life sentences, as many people as he killed, plus 1,035 years in prison. So he's still there in solitary confinement. No one but his immediate family is allowed to visit him. He's never to be released, it says. No parole, which is very rare in Australia. The majority of murder sentences allow for the possibility of parole after a long prison sentence.
01:22:37
so his motivation for the massacre remains a guarded secret only known to his lawyer
01:22:44
who is bound not to reveal without his client's consent so we don't know what triggered it why he
01:22:52
started what made him fucking go over the edge but obviously all of these like slow build for a while
01:22:58
yeah that i had yeah described are and there's they don't suspect that he killed his father and
01:23:05
made it look like a suicide right i don't think so no oh that's wow so yeah so the port arthur
01:23:12
massacre but it i mean it brought everyone together it made people aware and yeah it's
01:23:19
just this horrible thing so martin bryant dick um did i mean like what i guess you wouldn't know
01:23:30
But like, it just makes me think, was that location part of his reason, part of the thing
01:23:37
that hasn't been explained? Totally. Or like, was there one person of those 35 that he was specifically targeting?
01:23:43
The video, it just freaks me out. Yeah. Why would he put a video camera out there?
01:23:49
It's so like, yeah, there is such a plan in place, obviously. It's such a like, I want everyone to know how I feel.
01:23:58
It's almost like this, look at what, look how awful I feel. Yes. Right. And also look what I can do.
01:24:05
Yeah. And look what, it's that thing. That's guns. It's like, look at the control I have over the world I live in.
01:24:12
Look how little safety you actually have, even though you think you have. It's my world.
01:24:17
You're just players in it. Right. Right. And you think you have the serene safety and I can fucking change that in the moments.
01:24:25
also i wonder what uh if he had head injuries in that car accident i mean a head-on collision
01:24:33
where the one person dies i think he did god that's heavy i know should we read a um hometown
01:24:41
um isn't this nine hours long already you're right let's do a separate hometown murder next
01:24:47
week all right thanks for listening you guys are the best we oh uh we love you and i forgot how we
01:24:54
end of this because I'm on. Oh, I know how we end by me telling you to stay sexy. And me telling you
01:24:59
don't get murdered. Elvis wants a cookie? He knows. Elvis, I know he doesn't. Want a cookie?
01:25:07
He totally knows. He knows your lines. Good boy. See you over here. Thanks for listening
01:25:12
guys. Bye. We back Georgia two questions Do you have any updates And can you pronounce the word heiress now Heiress I say it all the time now just to show off honestly
01:25:28
You've learned how much you've learned on this show. Oh, heiress? Why did you just say that?
01:25:34
Is there an heiress in the attic? All right. So some updates. Following the massacre, Prime Minister John Howard spearheaded
01:25:42
stricter gun control measures in Australia. And this led to the development of the National Firearms Agreement,
01:25:48
or NFA, in 1996. The NFA makes it clear that owning a gun, hey, think of this, is a privilege, not a right,
01:25:57
that is only allowed when public safety is guaranteed. Remember them, the public?
01:26:02
Yeah. And their fucking safety? It banned people from owning fully automatic and semi-automatic guns.
01:26:08
No one fucking needs those. Created consistent rules around gun licensing and registration across the country and instituted a buyback program that
01:26:16
resulted in 700,000 guns being surrendered to authorities and destroyed. And that was about a
01:26:22
third of all the guns in Australia at the time. It just shows you that people wanted that change.
01:26:27
Yes. People don't want to live in fear like this. People don't want to hear about children being
01:26:33
murdered in grammar school. People don't want this. I don't want to hear about the newfangled
01:26:39
fucking bulletproof backpack for children. Yeah, it's not their responsibility. All right, well, that's a lot of show right there.
01:26:47
And the original title of this big show is... Don't say it again. 30 Let the Bodies Hit the Four.
01:26:54
We'll never have to say it again. Oh, my God. I mean, whatever. It's the past. What could we do in the future?
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2016? Come on. So long ago. So today in the future, we would name it maybe a pain-free hour
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when you're talking to me in a soothing voice about my awful sciatica. And then there's also when we were talking about
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we never know who's supposed to go first in every episode, and somebody said the charm of not knowing.
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I like that one. That's a really good one. That explains so much about this podcast, I feel like.
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That is us in capital letters right there. Charming and not knowing. Ignorant, charming.
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Blissful. Thank you guys so much for being here with us in this little review. We're glad that you like this.
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We're glad that you like this podcast. We appreciate you and all of the things. We like you back.
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Stay sexy. And don't get murdered. Goodbye. Elvis, do you want a cookie? When a group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist,
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They take matters into their own hands. I vowed I will be his last target. He is not going to get away with this.
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He's going to get what he deserves. We always say that. Trust your girlfriends. Listen to the girlfriends.
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I've got you. I've got you. Sometimes a suspect is found guilty before a verdict is ever read in court.
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On the Wicked Words podcast, I talk with the writers who dig deep into the cases that changed history,
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including Marsha Clark, who went from prosecuting one of the most famous murder cases to writing crime fiction.
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It doesn't matter that you didn't take part in the murder. If you were at the scene at all, you're guilty of murder.
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Every week, the real story is revealed. Join us every Monday for new episodes of Wicked Words.
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I'm Anna Navarro, and on my new podcast, Bleep with Anna Navarro, I'm talking to the people closest to the biggest issues happening in your community and around the world.
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Because I know deep down inside right now, we are all cursing and asking, what the bleep is going on.
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Every week, I'm breaking down the biggest issues happening in our communities and around the world.
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I'm talking to people like Julie K. Brown, who broke the explosive story on Jeffrey Epstein in 2018.
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The Justice Department, through we counted four presidential administrations, failed these victims.
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Listen to Bleep with Anna Navarro on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.