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My favorite world. Hello and welcome to Rewind with Karen in Georgia. It is Wednesday, which can only mean one thing.
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That means we're trapped in your phone, in your ears, and we're forced to recap our old shows with all new commentary, updates, and insights.
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Forced. We have the privilege of being forced. Today we're recapping episode 40, which at the time we named Squad Gourds.
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Oh, my God. Iconic. So iconic. Just FYI, this episode came out on October 26, 2016.
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That's the same day Marty McFly traveled back in time. That's fun, right? Because we're about to travel back in time.
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But although he traveled back to 1955, we're going back to 2016. And it also doesn't work because we're going back to October 26th and he was traveling from that.
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You're overthinking. You're overthinking this. Let's just listen to the intro of episode 40.
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Okay. Let's start with a prayer. Yes. Good idea. Dear Oprah, can you help us, please? Please?
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Oprah. Oprah, we just need $100,000. what if we were like Oprah's our guest at the Chicago
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podcast festival someone asked us that on Twitter they were like is the guest gonna be Oprah
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and I immediately wrote no because I just didn't want her to be sad or have any big feelings
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I wonder if she would talk about murder I feel like she's like not in that headspace anymore
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oh but I feel like that's what that show was I mean like in the beginning that show was like
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this man lit his child on fire like let's give him a makeover for real that show was like oh
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really sally jesse rafael well we're gonna take a one step lower yeah however there is one episode
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where club kids are on one of those shows and it's like fucking epic on sally jesse i think so
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uh i feel like i've seen like screen grabs from that yeah anyways uh like good no
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no no i won't no and i just yeah i just no anded you so hard okay the first thing i would like to
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talk about is how we although it is not our birthday nor is it yet christmas you and i
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yes we got a surprise gift from steven i know and you guys if you ever want to get me a gift
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don't bother because this is the only gift i've ever wanted stephen brought georgia and i the book
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mysteries of the unknown the time life series we each have talked about last week and then he went
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on ebay he must have had to overnight these on ebay i mean here's the problem spent all the money
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in the world the problem is you're so like he brought over a bot like we were drinking we drink
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my whiskey and he brought over a bottle and like stephen no you're like we're supposed to be buying
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you all the shit you're our unpaid intern it's so thoughtful i get college credit
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at the set scientology uh you got me phantom encounters i mean we were gonna co-own these
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though right because i immediately the second he handed you yours i was like but wait what's that
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one we share these with the universe that's true mine is except you guys can't borrow mine is
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mystic places which was the one in the google image search that's right with the pyramid in
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the eye and the sphinx some illuminati shit it is so crazy this is beautiful i mean i just can't
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stop staring at it it's the best gift here's one here's an article here's a page titled banishing
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baneful ghosts that means yeah who came up with that just some bullshit time writer who was like
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so unhappy yeah they were like i'm so sick of talk of like writing about nixon and shakespeare's
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haunted stage i getting a paycheck mine tracking the earth energies and look at this guy who has like those crazy sticks that go in different directions He looks like he has one of those hats on that have like a pinwheel at the head on the top oh steven uh thank you yeah this is amazing steven ray morris from the percast podcast
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we should actually put these down because now we're reading books on our podcast oh my god
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that's how good they are like you can't terrifying these are i feel like these were on every coffee
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table in the 80s where like if you went to your boring aunt's house and got stuck what my my mom's
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classic thing was sorry it's adult time so we would get like banished into the tv room and then
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if nothing good was on tv because there were only four channels because i'm 67 god bless the house
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that you went to that had a time life series book on the coffee table but do you remember those
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people's houses you used to go to like friends or boyfriends families when you're like staying for
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christmas or whatever and it was like you had memorized the one magazine that they had in the
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bathroom because you went to the toilet to fucking escape just to get away and so you knew that
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fucking the fucking us weekly from 10 years ago not 10 like it's more like four so but it's still
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somehow crazy outdated yes that like i would have memorized every word of these books as a kid
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because i would have just read them over and over into my aunt's house that's right and nothing
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when i was a child was catered to us there was a box of toys that were entertaining when we were
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three and under. And then it was like, and if something good's on TV or even if something,
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my boyfriend's here. Bye. Cool writer. We, um, we played, I remember this as a kid,
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like here's what it was like. We played with kitchen utensils under my grandma's grand piano
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and you need to shut the fuck up and play with this ladle from 1960 and like pretend it's
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something. Yes. Just use your imagination. Potato masher. Ours was always just go outside
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because we would like, we're on a farm. There was all kinds of shit you could be doing outside.
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Everyone has Lyme. Yeah. God, these children are tired. So thank you, Stephen. You're the greatest.
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Yeah, Stephen. We really appreciate your angel human. Um, couple, should I just do some Twitter
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corners? Hell yeah. Cause there's been some great stuff happening on our Twitter page. First of all,
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Krista tweeted at us because Gary Condit is going to appear on Dr. Phil. Shut up.
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Uh-huh. He's going to discuss the Chandra Levy murder on Dr. Phil. It took me a minute because I'm so bad with names, but now that all makes sense.
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Sorry, I should have included both. I'm just trying to open this link so I can tell you exactly what's going to happen.
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But I could also ask my friend because it may have already been taped. Well, so we know that now the person who got, who was suspected of killing Chandra Levy was let go.
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That's right. And so they're starting to open up that maybe it was Gary Condit, the former senator?
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Well, they're, they're basically, they exonerated the person who was in jail for the murder.
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Right. And they're, they have reopened the investigation. No one's named Gary Condit specifically, but we do know that they've gone back in,
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they're looking into like basically people who gave him, what do you call that? Like I was there, alibi.
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Alibi stuff. They're called I was there. They're called the I was theirs. We're the best.
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I was there when he wasn't killing her. I believe. Oh, alibis, man. Those things get shaky after a fucking couple of years.
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That's right. And it's been quite some time. Oh man. And you know, he's had another affair.
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And so his wife is like, you know what? Fuck this. He wasn't at home with me watching fucking Matlock.
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Yeah, I feel that's kind of the kind of the key to like an old cold case. Is you get those people who are like, oh, yeah, remember your awesome boyfriend that you would have done anything for in 1985?
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Who is a murderer? And it turns out wasn't all that cool to you. He actually wasn't with me that night.
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It turned out he also loved to give me the back of his hand across the face often.
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And he came home that night covered in blood. He was just he looked like a tomato.
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So anyhow, that's going to be on Dr. Phil. I can't find a date. But no, it doesn't matter.
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That's exciting. The link is on our Twitter feed. Also, the other thing I just wanted to give a shout out because we had been talking last week about how we hate carving pumpkins.
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Oh, no. What happened? Well, Caroline sent us a picture of the most perfect Halloween jack-o'-lantern goals for us.
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And this is it. It's the tiniest face carved into a pumpkin. And when I saw it, it made me laugh so hard.
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It's like an emoji. It's like the size of an emoji and the face of an emoji, like the happy face emoji.
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That's all I want in life. But then on the hugest pumpkin. So it's basically like this person took a pen and stuck it into a pumpkin.
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It's so funny. And then they were like, where's my wine and where are my Ritz crackers?
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I'm done. You can laugh out loud, Stephen. That's good stuff. That's beautiful. Thank you so much, Caroline, because I really loved that.
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Can I have a quick pun corner? Please do. Squad gourds. Instead of goals. Squad gourds?
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because it's a gourd let me explain this my comedy is like kind of you know like it's intellectual
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squad gourd it's written it's a reader comedy you gotta squad gourd that's really good like
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give me a hot minute Mimi loves it no my god Mimi's crying laughing right now you can't see it
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but trust she looks so bored um that's amazing it's really good thank you oh and then the um
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uh we got that super awesome um uh for somebody i'll find her name right now um her name is
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jessica hullinger and she wrote an article for the week called why i am a murderino that was
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and i love when people write article it's been you know there hasn't been a lot but when they
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write them and they post photos that other people of a fan like murderino's um fan art yes because
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That makes it so great to get other people's art out there. It very cool It like it one huge communal effort kind of Yeah Also the name of the article is I am a murderino I added the why because I can not do that What did you say Why I am a murderino
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Oh, that's weird. Well, you know what? So I want to go ahead and give someone that we need to find on the Facebook
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group credit for making up the word murderino. Yes. Who is that person? It's a dude. And he's like, Hey, I came up with that. So we need to find him.
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Oh yeah. Someone, people are like, not people, some people are like, let's get that fucking word
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in Webster's dictionary. Okay. I mean, if too much for you, I hate stuff like that.
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But I don't mean for us. I mean that, I mean that the word that that word means people who are really into true
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crime. I don't mean like from the, my favorite murder podcast. I mean like the people who are into true crime, like who, who are you?
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What did you, I'm a murderino. I like that. I just feel like whenever we say the words, like, let's get this going, then there's going
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to be like, you know, a bunch of people are like, they want us to do it. So let's do it,
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which I get that stuff is of all the things we should be putting our effort behind. Let's get
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Trump in the white house. That's the thing that I want everybody to really get feet on the sidewalks
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about. Karen, people are going to think you're, I posted something today of like Hitler is Trump
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and like, look at all these photos. And someone was like, Oh, thank God that I thought I heard
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you last week say that you were voting for Trump. And I'm, and I got scared. You know what, if
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you're scared goodbye because that means you don't have a sense of humor yeah please I would
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say 75% of the things I'm saying are either sarcastic or lying it's that's the kind of
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the jungle of a personality that I have that's why I love you man squad gourds fucking squad gourds girl okay I have something to talk about okay from Instagram you had Twitter
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corner i have instagram corner that's right all right i'm sitting at a bar as i do on saturday
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night the roost which is one of my favorite bars in la very cool place divy as fuck hanging out
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with my friends and then i like scroll to instagram and someone tagged me in something
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and i open it and almost started crying and just turned it to my friend and showed her and she
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look to me like you know like one of those dude looks yeah have you seen this oh yeah you sent
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that to me oh right okay well so pillworm on instagram motherfucking got a gorgeous tattoo
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that says stay sexy don't get murdered and am i wrong to say that it looks like i'm assuming that's
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a woman yeah i just because that's the usual i think it's on her like back shoulder yeah but
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it's like across her back shoulder big old big i just wonder like what if it turns out oh yeah no
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we were serious about trump and she's like oh fuck i have this tattoo these awful people are like
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oh no we're racist oh fuck she's like wait a second i just right as the tattoo machine is like
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there you go 75 it's a beautiful tattoo and it's by a girl named her under jaw tattoos j-i-w
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tattoos made it. It's like really well done and gorgeous tattoo. And I'm like in awe of it.
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It's beautiful. And I have to say, you sent me that picture. My sister sent it to me.
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Adrian sent it to me and April sent it to me. Like I got, it was like ding, ding, ding, ding,
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ding. There's another one too that I just, we can't, I have, I feel like we have to give credit
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to because it's like this tattoo that she, that pillworm God is me in my twenties. This tattoo
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that this other girl is me in my like teens. Yeah. And it's a poke, it's a pokey tattoo that you do when you just,
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and I, underneath this beautiful tattoo on my leg are the initials of my best friend
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from when I was 14 with Indian ink. Yeah. And so this girl did that. I'm just going to keep talking until I find it.
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It says fuck politeness. She, and she said, it's a stick and poke. Yeah. I guess it's called.
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Yeah. And she wrote fuck politeness and stick and poke. and her name is Paulina with three A's and an underscore at the end.
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And you can see her tattoo. It's on our, it's on Twitter, up there on Instagram.
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Yeah. Yeah. Man. It's very cool. I fucking dig it. I mean, it's nice that it's, uh,
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there are things that people really, that's resonating and making people feel good and things that they like and
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that are enhancing their lives. Considering that just the amount of shit that comes out of our mouth that we
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just don't think twice about. And then like, you know what I'm saying? My Trump material.
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Is that what you're talking about again? That comes out of Karen's mouth. No, I was at the bar and I almost started crying and I'm so fucking honored and it's amazing.
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It's awesome. Okay. This is a, this is like, we'll call this Laura corner because my sister, the lurker, um,
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we'll call it the other Kilgara. The other white Kilgara. Um, she loves the Facebook page and goes on there all the time.
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She's so touched by the fact that there's all these rad people talking to each other,
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supporting each other, you know. about her sister. What's that? About her sister, right? No, she's my sister. Yeah. But yes,
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but also talking to each other, she's like, they're all so nice. They're so fucking nice.
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I mean, everyone's just cool and chill. So, but she found this and it's her favorite. It's a guy
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named Dylan who's in the army. And he wrote and said, I'm in the army. And I always give a short,
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semi-serious statement to the service personnel. I supervise on Friday before we leave for the
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weekend. Usually I end with something like be safe, don't die. But today I said, stay sexy,
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don't get murdered. And then just walked away to a bunch of guys in the military. The funny looks
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I got made it totally worth it. Just wanted to share that. Love you. Oh my God. Thank you for
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your service. Oh my God. Thank you. Thank you for all the people you freaked out for their service.
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But also the idea that we crossed over into a military. Oh, who? What? Do you know me? Hi.
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that is the coolest it's so crazy and oh I also want to give a shout out speaking of everyone being cool and awesome on the
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Facebook group the moderators are fucking they you know amazing they bust their asses They suck gang school of everyone and it the best Thank you guys Yeah What else
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Let me look at my list. I made a list in a font that looks like it's, if there is a four or two font, that's what
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I did because it's tiny and I can't see. You can't see anything. Uh-oh. Here it is.
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Let's go. And we got lots of people reached out to tell us about this. because it happened in Sacramento.
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The woman who was walking up the street with a head on a stick. Did you hear about this story?
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You didn't? Am I the one telling you first? A head on a stick? Girl. What the fuck, Sacramento?
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You guys have some fucking ether in here. It's a floodplain and no one has anything to do.
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Everyone's just huffing shit. They're just hot. You know what I mean? It's like there's fumes coming up from melting asphalt.
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Do you know what else? What? Everyone has fucking lime there, I promise you. Why?
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Because you run through a field, a cornfield, lime, lime, lime, lime, lime, and then your brain goes crazy.
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It's true. I mean, I can't argue this. All right, but then you put a fucking head on a...
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So apparently this woman had found a dead body in an abandoned homeless encampment.
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What? That somewhere... And I actually looked it up on a map because I was like, where, where did this happen?
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Like I, I, all I could picture was myself in the late eighties, early nineties, driving
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all hot and bummed out in Sacramento and then looking over on the sidewalk and a woman with
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a head on it now. Or would you, here's what my problem is, is I would be the person who would, who would
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come upon that abandoned homeless encampment and want to search through it. Well, yeah.
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I mean, yeah, you would, if you're like out in the woods or something, and then all of a sudden it's like, oh, people lived here, but they're not here anymore.
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Why? It's like detectiving. You're like, well, there's got to be a note or receipts that show when they were, you know.
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The story, the article I read was limited information. I feel like more to come, but it seems like this woman herself is homeless.
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And the first article I read said head on a stick. But then when I looked into it, it was a skull on a stick.
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So it's not going to be as totally nightmare town as it seemed like as they were kind of selling it.
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Yeah. But still. The media was making something seem more. That's crazy. I don't even.
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But they, in the picture, it was pixelated. So there's a chance that there was some bad action on that skull.
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So anyway, I'm very interested to see what the next phase of like. So obviously they took her.
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She, that everybody saw her walking down the street. Why did she do that? Well, here's my theory is either maybe she was mute or she knew that there would be a communication problem if she said, I found a dead body.
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She wouldn't be able to express herself correctly. Do you think she was mentally disabled?
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Well, I don't know. I mean, she's a homeless person and her choice was to put a head on a stick and walk up the street with it.
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And she didn't want to leave it there. But also she decided to put a head on a stick and walk up the street with it.
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So I think she probably was like, this is going to be the quickest way to get help.
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And I don't want to touch it. and I'm going to put it on a stick. I'm not going to put it on the top of my head.
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I'm not going to put it on my fist and like use it as a puppet. Oh no, I'm being disrespectful now.
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No, it's all so bad. Anyway, so we will, I'm going to keep my eye out for that story
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and what even, what all of that is. You know, it's so bananas to me and like of these stories that you hear
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and then you'll never hear about it again. I know. It's these like, this person got killed in a hit and run accident
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and then you just never hear about it again. Well, the bummer too is like if this was an abandoned homeless encampment and somebody died there and who knows what the circumstances were, but they said the body had been there for a while.
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So they probably won't be able to get a lot of information. And then it's just going to be like, yeah, and that's what happened.
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And like someone hasn't heard from their brother in 15 years. Oh my God, I'm making myself want to cry.
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I know. So anyway, there's crime all around us, but especially in Sacramento. Everything's the worst.
00:22:05
Just look for the best things in life. Get cats. Be happy. Stay positive. Get a dog.
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Dogs are good too. Should we do our podcast? And we are back. Okay. Can I explain squad gourds?
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Because I've been thinking about it since this episode. For eight years? For eight or nine years.
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Yes. Absolutely. I was thinking of squad goals, which was a big hashtag saying at the time.
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I should and could have said squash goals, which would have been, I still am like, why didn't you say, well, I made it harder for myself by saying squat, instead of squash goals, I said squad gourds.
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Yes, squad gourds. Which is just like how my, like, I think to me, that's a great example of how my brain works.
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Because your brain doesn't work like the hashtag gals. Yes. It's very different.
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It's a little harder. It's going to take a longer route and it's going to get there.
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And then the people who are there when it gets there, those are my people. Yes. Right?
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Also, it's the thing. You always say a thing. As a stand-up comedian, you get trained to guess the joke, right?
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Right. So when someone is in a setup, you're like, I know what you're going to say.
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Yeah. And that is basically what you do. And that's why comics are so insufferable because they always have that kind of attitude.
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And you can't make me laugh because I already get the joke. Yes, exactly. I just knew you were going to say that.
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And I never know what the fuck you're going to say in the biggest compliment way.
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And same with my friend Kevin Christie one time texted me because he was like binging our show.
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And he goes, I swear to God, I just never know what she's going to say. And I was like, I know that's the thing.
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Oh, my God. You know, oh, my God. That's really touching because as a kid, I was like that.
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And it made my life really fucking difficult. Yeah. and hard and like made me get teased a lot in both ways.
00:24:00
because I was exactly like that. And I couldn't fucking control it. No. And I still can't.
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But now it works. Exactly. I'm so happy. That makes me so happy. You found your people.
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Oh, my God. You found your calling, if I may. Yeah. And also that is like a creative brain never works in fifth grade.
00:24:20
A creative brain is despised in fifth grade. Wow. Because that's ultimately like when you're supposed to start really fitting in.
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Yeah. And my brain always was like, Karen, stand over there and say this really loud.
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And it's like, no, quiet. We're trying to be shy. It's like, nope, you're not going to be.
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Oh, my God. Yeah. Be like, be cute and timid now. No. Just be fucking weird. Not an option.
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I love it. I love it. I'm so happy about that. Yeah. Okay. What else did we talk about?
00:24:48
I still have Stephen's book that he gave me. Do you have yours? Oh, yes. And prominently displayed.
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I mean, that was, first of all, Stephen. Stephen. It's been so long. I know. We miss him.
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But that was that kind of thing where I was like, this is the loveliest gift. Yeah.
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It was like a gift where someone like went into my mind and went, what do you want?
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You don't even know what you want. So thoughtful. Totally. Like, you wouldn't know that you want this.
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And I found it. I put effort and time into it. And you're like, what are you doing?
00:25:18
Also, because when Stephen, and maybe even when you were growing up, did you see those infomercials for Mysteries of the Unknown?
00:25:24
Yeah. Yeah, obsessed. Oh, I thought we were going to get abducted by aliens. I was so obsessed with that stuff.
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A woman in Ohio cuts her hand. And across the country, her twin sister starts to bleed or whatever.
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That truly was the monoculture back then. It was like we all saw one commercial.
00:25:44
Yeah, we were like, shit. Oh, the alien in the barn. Man, it's fucking happening.
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It's happening right now. It's all over. All right. Well, let's get into Karen's story, which is one I had never heard. This is so fascinating. One I think about a lot. This is the My Way killings. Yeah.
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Savings compared to renewal price void in Florida. All right. It's my turn to go first this week.
00:27:43
It's absolutely not. It is, isn't it? No, it isn't, but I don't care. No, no, no.
00:27:48
You went first last week. No, I didn't. I went first. I had the eyeball killer. And you went, you're right.
00:27:56
Oh, no. Right up to the second. You were positive. I'm telling you, man, I can argue anything.
00:28:05
Even though I don't know or believe it. I can just... I was like, shit, okay. Me too.
00:28:14
This is... This one... Let's go. Oh, yeah. Everybody calm down. The reason that I...
00:28:25
this is my murder this week is because Guy Branham, a friend of the show, hilarious comedian,
00:28:32
asked me if I'd heard of these killings. And he's good. He's so good. And when he said what they were,
00:28:43
I was like, my brain wrote an entire thing of what it meant. Ooh, it's one of those names.
00:28:49
Yeah. Yeah. And then, so, um, it's takes place in the Philippines and they're called the My Way killings.
00:28:58
Okay. So let me paint the picture for you a little bit. It will be a little bit confusing
00:29:03
at the beginning, but I'm just going to run down a little information for you and then
00:29:06
it'll all become clear. Get at it. Get out of town. Get up into that attic. Uh, okay. So
00:29:15
I don't know if you guys know this. I didn't until I started looking into this that, uh,
00:29:21
Filipinos love karaoke. They fucking love it as a nation. It's basically their national pastime.
00:29:30
Okay. Um, almost every Philippine home has a karaoke machine. They would hate me. It's why? Cause you, why? Cause I can't sing for shit and I'm scared of
00:29:42
karaoke it's i i'm scared of karaoke well we'll talk about that but it's so let's make this about
00:29:49
so they every every birthday party every holiday party um and they have so many karaoke and video which is a different version of karaoke where you get scored against other people that are
00:30:08
doing karaoke that night scores you the machine. Holy shit. So it's how many, um, there's another
00:30:14
thing that's like that. Maybe it's banned. Um, Jesus Christ. Uh, sorry. I just hit my mic.
00:30:21
Man, machines are fucking taking over and judging us now and scoring us. Oh, Guitar Hero.
00:30:25
It's a little bit like Guitar Hero where it knows if you're hitting the right notes or not.
00:30:29
And so you get a score for video key. So it actually gets very competitive in the bar.
00:30:36
So if you're singing, it's whoever's getting the best score on their song. Can we all just chill, please?
00:30:41
I mean, so in the Philippines, there's KTVs, which stands for karaoke television.
00:30:48
And that bar is wholesome. It's like your whole family can go there. People have parties there or whatever.
00:30:53
They cater to all ages. They serve food. There's private rooms. Then there's regular karaoke bars that are laid back.
00:31:01
You have a drink. You embarrass yourself publicly. That's the whole idea of it. Good times.
00:31:06
Don't go there if you want to just chill. It's like there's people singing. It's fine.
00:31:09
Yeah, exactly. It's funny and you're going to get drunk and whatever. Sometimes there's even a live band to do vocals with.
00:31:15
That is awesome. But then there's nightclubs. And the thing that are called nightclubs in the Philippines are basically strip clubs with karaoke.
00:31:24
And there's exotic dancing. There's back rooms that feature more than just singing.
00:31:32
That's directly from an article that I was reading. What is more than just singing?
00:31:35
Well, so basically they have women who work there that they're called guest service officers.
00:31:46
I think guest service officers. and they're basically like strippers that are paid to sit with the guys at the tables.
00:31:52
They have those in Japan. They're not strippers for sure. They're, you know, but they are sit and have a conversation, like hosts.
00:31:59
Yes. They're hostesses. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're going to get. So I feel like basically they're trying to get a bunch of things done at once at their nightclub.
00:32:07
So they kind of offer all these different things. To get people in. Exactly. yeah um even in remote villages families living in bamboo huts will have a karaoke machine in
00:32:19
their house yeah um which is because it's amazing and so the the world's first karaoke machine was
00:32:26
invented it was called the juke eight and it was in built by a japanese inventor and musician named
00:32:32
Daisuke Inui in 1971. But the current patent holder is the Filipino inventor Roberto Del Rosario.
00:32:43
And he developed the karaoke sing-along system in 1975. So it's basically like it's their hometown
00:32:50
invention. That's awesome. So I was looking into like it's why is singing this popular in the
00:32:54
Philippines. And just a little background, nearly 50% of the people who live in the Philippines,
00:33:01
and that's estimated 87 million people live on less than $2 a day. And many are forced to eke out a living selling scrap,
00:33:09
bric-a-brac or begging. A lot of impoverished neighborhoods. The karaoke machine is the one luxury that the whole community gets to enjoy
00:33:19
and doesn't do without. So basically that's their only entertainment and it's the closest a lot of them get to come to escape
00:33:30
besides drinking and whatever. It's like you have a little moment where you can kind of be good.
00:33:37
And also I looked it up. There's a Time Magazine article that was written in 2013
00:33:46
about the positive effects of singing. No way. And they, researchers, I'm just reading from this article thing,
00:33:56
but they, researchers discovered Singing is like an infusion of the perfect tranquilizer, the kind that both soothes your nerves and elevates your spirits.
00:34:07
You feel elated when you sing, which comes from endorphins, a hormone released by singing, which is associated with feelings of pleasure.
00:34:15
And you also release oxytocin, which is a chemical that's found to alleviate anxiety and stress.
00:34:24
and it enhances feelings of trust and bonding, which explains why more studies have found
00:34:32
that singing lessens feelings of depression and loneliness. A very recent study even attempts to make the case
00:34:39
that music evolved as a tool of social living. And the pleasure that comes from singing together
00:34:45
is our evolutionary reward for coming together cooperatively instead of hiding alone in a cave by yourself.
00:34:53
Wow. Yeah. Wow. That is fucking heavy and intense. I know. Crazy and like makes me want to sing a lot more
00:35:00
to myself. It's also make me when I read that I was like, Oh, that's why I immediately start crying
00:35:06
when I hear like gospel music when like amazing or amazing choral music or like musicals. Well,
00:35:12
when I go to like a temple, the rare times I go to temple and we sing these songs in a language,
00:35:18
I don't understand, but I know what it means. And we all know the words in Hebrew, which is fucking crazy because I don't speak Hebrew.
00:35:26
It's just beautiful. Like it feels, yeah, it feels like community. Yes. Yeah. And that feeling, it's like, it's doing the work for you.
00:35:36
Being there and being submerged in that sound is bonding you to those people that you're doing it with.
00:35:43
It's very cool. I'm going to not hide my voice next time. Vince and I are driving and he puts a song on that.
00:35:48
I know. Cause I'm like sing really quietly. No go for it. Yeah. Who cares? I mean,
00:35:53
cause that the other thing is I I always been like a big loud I came up on like the Annie cast album Yeah So like just big loud nose singing has always been my thing But it very it also I think part of for me singing is so embarrassing because
00:36:10
it's so personal that once you do it, I think people respond to it because they know how
00:36:16
hard it is. It's like public speaking or anything else. I'm amazed. And I've seen you sing and I'm amazed.
00:36:21
I can't, I'm so in awe of people who can draw things that don't look like nothing close to
00:36:28
what it's supposed to be and people who can sing. It's just, it's, it's amazing to me.
00:36:32
Yeah. When I first started singing though, doing like doing songs on stage, the first, I would say the first 15 times I did it, I, it was very quiet. Like I couldn't breathe
00:36:42
very well and it was just so, but I just kept doing it anyway. Somehow. I don't know why.
00:36:47
That's life. Anyway, off of me, unfortunately, I'm going to change the subject off of myself.
00:36:53
And so anyway, all these factors are part of that cultural phenomenon. It's basically these people are figuring out how to self-soothe.
00:37:04
And it's like life is really hard. There's, you know, a lot of people like have it hard and, you know, live.
00:37:11
It's also a very violent place. There's a ton of illegal guns there. there's a lot of machismo culturally um a lot of fighting and it's so so there's the need for that
00:37:23
kind of uh release valve yeah and that's where they find it which is actually really beautiful
00:37:29
totally um so all of these factors uh contribute to a disturbing phenomenon that's taken place in
00:37:38
the past decade there have been over a dozen murders of people singing the song my way
00:37:45
stop your fucking face are you fucking kidding me i swear to god to that song oh my god that
00:37:52
that song losing my mind like you said that everything leading up to this was beautiful
00:37:57
i really led you down the stony path really i thought it was like and then venter got killed
00:38:03
i did not expect the craziest thing i've ever heard in my life i'm so excited isn't it so good
00:38:09
it's so good when guys said that to me he was like have you heard of the my way murders in the
00:38:13
Philippines, I was just like immediately like, please let there be a serial killer that goes
00:38:16
around to karaoke bars and only kills people in their car after the thing, whatever.
00:38:21
You know what I was going to say? I was going to say, I didn't know what it was going to be. And
00:38:24
I was like, oh, my way must be a place in fucking the Philippines. My way, you know, it's like,
00:38:29
that's how you say it. And it's going to be that. This is so much more intriguing. It's so good
00:38:36
because so here sucks. I'm so sorry for everybody. Tell me everything. It's rough.
00:38:40
so on May 29th 2007 a 29 year old karaoke singer of the song My Way and it's if you
00:38:48
haven't heard it it's the Frank Sinatra hit from 1969 it was written by Paul Anka and it's
00:38:54
basically a biographical song it was written for Frank Sinatra it's just basically like my career's
00:39:00
been like this because I fucking did it my way yes it's been hard but also I kicked
00:39:04
ass and it's super braggy braggadocio it's basically a fuck yourself it's a fuck yourself I did it
00:39:10
my way right it's a bit self-explanatory but also fuck you franklin not sure he's a dick
00:39:14
i hate that guy do you hate frank fucking hate i think he's a dick well i love him and so now
00:39:20
we're in a fight um read what he did to fucking mia farrow oh no i know yeah it's that's rough
00:39:27
stuff okay sorry uh no no it's okay uh so a 29 year old karaoke singer of the song my way at a
00:39:34
bar in San Mateo Rizal was shot dead as he sang the tune by the bar's security guard who was
00:39:41
arrested after the incident. According to reports, the guard complained that the young man's rendition
00:39:46
was off key. And when the victim refused to stop singing, the guard pulled out a 38 caliber pistol
00:39:52
and shot him dead. So this, this is the other thing about the song, My Way. It's pretty hard
00:39:59
to sing because it's in this weird key um where it's low it goes up high but there's when you're
00:40:07
in the low part especially if you're drunk it's like but there is a casual drunkenness to it too
00:40:12
the way Frank Sinatra sings it that it's just like an I actually don't care that much about
00:40:17
the you know yeah it's almost talk singing in certain yeah and it's it's very direct it's like
00:40:21
a long song yeah it's it's draggy and it's sad it could be like depressing if you're in a bar
00:40:27
drinking and you just want to fucking hang out right exactly so uh it's actually become such a
00:40:33
problem that it that song has been taken off of most karaoke bar song lists because people don't
00:40:40
want the problem they don't want already i'm freaked i thought it was one guy who's going
00:40:44
around doing this it's just like a okay it's a it's basically it's a thing that causes people to
00:40:50
fight and murder dude uh dude i'm gonna lose so fucking crazy okay um uh so there was actually an
00:41:02
article in the new york times about it and the writer asked are the killings the natural byproduct
00:41:07
of the country's culture of violence drinking and machismo or is there something or is there
00:41:13
something inherently sinister about the song which is kind of funny like it's a cursed song that you
00:41:19
will die at the end or you know it was one the first person who was mentally unstable who brought
00:41:24
his 38 to work and killed a guy and then everyone else is copying him yes so next so anyways moving
00:41:30
sorry well but no that's it i think it's a good theory um there most of those karaoke bars that i
00:41:38
was describing to you earlier are really violent places anyway it's like people are going there to
00:41:42
blow off steam they're going there to get shit faced yeah there's a lot of steam to be blown off
00:41:47
And so there's lots of fights anyway. So there's nefarious people who are there anyways.
00:41:54
Yes but they often fight over bad singing and the singing of boring songs I could see that And so they saying it could just reflect the popularity of the song
00:42:06
combined with the popularity of karaoke combined with the violent culture. And the competitive nature too of it.
00:42:12
That's exactly right. Because that one video gear or whatever, it literally scores you.
00:42:17
So you're in a bar, you're trying to have a good time on a Friday night. you've got the hired gals here and the real gals over here and you're going up there and you're
00:42:26
trying to be cool you don't want to suck and in your drunk mind i mean how many times you've been
00:42:32
to karaoke where someone's like i'm gonna sing like what if god was one of us or something where
00:42:37
you're like please don't do that to us fuck you yeah i know you're showing off sing something with
00:42:42
your fucking friends don't sing nora jones at a karaoke bar oh my god you can't sing like nora
00:42:48
Jones. Yeah. Just get, get some, should I stay or should I go? Let people have a good time.
00:42:52
The cars, always good. Cars. Blondie's probably always good. Blondie, cars, just shut the fuck up.
00:42:59
Don't do fucking Fiona Apple. Yeah. Yeah. Don't bring that, don't bring that sadness to your own
00:43:05
door. No, don't bring me down. Uh, no, another great song. Um, all right. So, uh, I lost my spot.
00:43:15
i can keep talking and naming songs people should sing if you want now uh it's shit this is all
00:43:22
repetitive um when was the second murder tell me the second murder i'm gonna first tell i'm gonna
00:43:28
tell everyone in the meantime yeah about uh-huh i uh i did the thing where i click and it flicks
00:43:33
me back to the top and then i lose my spot the only time i've done karaoke where i was like that
00:43:37
was the fucking coolest is i did it at a bowling alley in eagle rock and they happen to fucking
00:43:41
have dead kennedys on there they happened it was kill the poor which is like not it wasn't like
00:43:46
the guys that's sarcasm just in case yeah it was no no it was a song called kill the poor
00:43:50
no i know okay uh i'm sorry i fucking killed it like i already knew those songs because i was 14
00:43:57
and obsessed with dead kennedys and i i just fucking i had a couple beers already but people
00:44:03
went crazy my three friends that were there and the rest of the empty bar yeah like yeah they were
00:44:10
high five yeah that's the opposite of the one of the few times i've done karaoke is my friend put
00:44:16
my name in without telling me oh fuck you and you know what song she picked for me oh no nothing
00:44:21
compares to you that's kind of cute though no it isn't because talk about my way it's a dirge
00:44:27
you're just like you're right i can do whatever i want no no it doesn't matter you i'm sorry
00:44:37
everyone's gonna tweet at us right now and be like yeah but karen that was better than i've ever
00:44:41
sounded in my life stop here's the thing you can you can i agree you can have the best singing voice
00:44:46
in the world don't do it to us it's that that was basically like a prank song it's i am you
00:44:53
should be able to murder people if they put your name down without you knowing it that is
00:44:59
unacceptable yeah that's yeah actually i just shouldn't have gone but it was one of those
00:45:04
things where there were so few people in the room. Karen, Karen, go get her. And then they're like, get up there.
00:45:10
You're a comedian. You're supposed to have a sense of humor. We tricked you. You can't trust us. Here's the thing.
00:45:16
There's such a problem with violence in karaoke bars that they actually hire gay men or transsexual
00:45:24
men. They call them baklas. And they are there to diffuse the undercurrent of tension
00:45:30
with the male patrons of karaoke bars because they're not seen as rivals for the women and they're not seen as rivals for the singing so they're just and they're
00:45:41
there and they it's basically like drag queen comedy like they come in and make jokes and like
00:45:45
it all it basically keeps the tension down that's that's beautiful it really is nice but uh it also
00:45:53
is kind of funny that that's the amount of uh competition and tension in those bars is so extreme
00:46:00
that that happened you know in the very beginning of the story they sounded so chill
00:46:05
and it sounded like families were there uh well yeah but no but there are places in this world
00:46:11
there's got to be chuckie cheeses that are fucking dangerous man that that fucking in
00:46:16
somewhere in in the inland empire new jersey or the inland empire we're fucking that's where
00:46:20
mobsters meet yeah you don't want to you one bad drunk dad near the pizza station and you're like
00:46:25
oh this is a ruined saturday and then he gets fucking cement shoes and gets thrown to the ball
00:46:30
pit oh the mafia guy yeah i'm sorry um here's a really good quote and i will wrap it up here
00:46:37
no i love it uh is this guy that got interviewed for that new york times article said um in the
00:46:44
philippines life is difficult and he is a man who repairs watches at a street kiosk um there's
00:46:51
government corruption it's a weak economy that's driven a lot of filipinos to work overseas
00:46:56
his own wife is a maid in lebanon and so he says but you know we have a saying don't worry about
00:47:02
your problems let your problems worry about you oh yeah that's right so that's they're just trying
00:47:10
to deal i also there's just a couple on the wikipedia page they had other video karaoke rage
00:47:16
incidents in other countries uh which is kind of funny just saying it's not some people get really
00:47:23
competitive about karaoke um there have been several reported cases of singers being assaulted
00:47:27
shot or stabbed mid-performance usually over how the songs are sung in malaysia a man in 2008
00:47:34
in a coffee shop was performing and he hugged the karaoke microphone so long that he was stabbed to
00:47:41
by other patrons, plural. Oh, and everyone had a knife on them. Or what if it was like butter knives?
00:47:48
Butter knives. So it's like took forever to stab him. Dude. And this is rough. In Thailand, a man was arrested
00:47:56
because he shot eight of his neighbors to death. one of whom was his own brother-in-law,
00:48:03
because they were singing Take Me Home Country Roads repeatedly and terribly. We've talked about my ex-roommate
00:48:11
who just sang Moonshadows, played the bass and sang Moonshadows just into the night.
00:48:18
I'm Being Followed by a Moonshadow, that song? Wait, what's the other one? Yeah, that one.
00:48:24
Over, and she was a bass player, so she was playing it on bass. It wasn't even guitar.
00:48:29
Oh my God. So I get it. Yeah. I murdered her. A man hacked two other men to death with a meat
00:48:36
cleaver over a fight over a karaoke microphone in China one time. Who the fuck knew? I mean,
00:48:44
it's, it's pretty intense. I mean, I get it. I get angry at karaoke when I get an Evite to a friend,
00:48:51
a friend's birthday party at a karaoke, like private room. Yes. Like I don't want to,
00:48:56
I want to go sit at the bar and talk to you. Yeah. And you want to watch you sing ABBA bad.
00:49:02
And like drink so much sake that I have a headache. Yeah. And, and pay $18 for chicken wings.
00:49:09
Well, be grateful that you live in a country where you basically don't have to sing
00:49:14
karaoke all the time. Cause it sounds like that's kind of just what people do. Oh,
00:49:18
that's true. It's like, you can't be like, no, I'd rather go bowling. Nope. Everyone's like bowling.
00:49:22
That's not a thing here. Are you crazy? We don't do that. I mean, can we start skee-balling instead of karaoke-ing? Do you know how happy that would make me? Do you
00:49:31
know how shot you would get? Anyway, yeah. That's my murder. I'm done. That, I love that. It's pretty
00:49:39
good, right? I would have never known about that. I know me either, but I really, I have to admit,
00:49:44
I really did want it to be just one guy in like a trench coat who would watch you sing my way and
00:49:49
then kill you in the parking lot. Well, we're going to write this. Nicolas Cage, are you available?
00:49:54
I feel like you might be. I have a sinking sensation. You're going to be a gritty cop, a gritty ex-cop, hired as a security guard at a karaoke bar.
00:50:03
Where's Willem Dafoe? Where's Willem Dafoe come in? Where is he? He's doing a lot of Snickers commercials right now, but I think we could get him on this project.
00:50:14
Okay, we're back. Wow. Karen, any updates? I mean, not specifically, just the update of me being reminded by going back to this story that when I first heard about the My Way killings, I truly thought there was a singular serial killer killing anyone at a karaoke bar that was singing that song.
00:50:33
We still need to write it. I mean, we absolutely should. It still needs to be writ.
00:50:37
But also the amount of work that would take. Oh, yeah. It's so specific. Yeah. Yeah.
00:50:43
We have our own media company now. We can fund it. We can film it. Remember? We have a green screen.
00:50:49
Oh, my God. We could shoot it right in there. I thought you meant we could fund a person that would do that.
00:50:53
It's like, I don't really want to invest in that. I think that's wrong. Here's the updates I can give you.
00:50:58
Since 2016, there have been no widely reported incidents specifically linked to the singing of Frank Sinatra's My Way.
00:51:04
In karaoke settings, however, karaoke-related violence, of course, continues to occur globally, usually stemming from disputes over performances.
00:51:14
and then parenthetically, I would add, and too much liquor. Yeah, because they're one and the same.
00:51:21
You know, you get there, you think you have it. You know, the pride, the beer, maybe a couple whiskey shots.
00:51:28
Sure. Someone sings way better than you. You get up and your dream dies. What was the last karaoke song you sang?
00:51:34
It was the one my friend made me sing, Nothing Compares to You. Oh, that's good.
00:51:38
It's just like, I'm never doing this again. No, I won't do it again. I might. I won't.
00:51:42
I should. I mean, I feel like it would be really freeing. Depends on who's there.
00:51:47
Yeah. I won't ever do it in front of strangers again, like at a bar night, but I'll do it with friends if it struck me.
00:51:53
You know what I mean? Yes. Because actually, the last time I really did karaoke, I just didn't think of it because it wasn't a karaoke bar.
00:51:59
It was those individual booths. And I was in New York City. Those are the best. And this was my favorite because my friend Haley was kind of drunk.
00:52:07
And she wanted to do an entrance for her song. So she took the mic and the mic cord and walked out into the hallway and then kept missing the intro because she couldn't hear at the beginning of the song.
00:52:18
Oh, that's such a drunk thing to do. Like four times where I was crying. I was like, please stop.
00:52:23
I'm laughing so hard. Like it was the best bit. And she was not doing it on purpose at all.
00:52:28
It reminds me of a cat, like something a cat would do. Yeah. You know what I mean?
00:52:31
Where they're just like, no, I've got this. They're like, start it over. I'll do it this time.
00:52:35
And it's like, if you can't hear it out there, you'll miss it every time. Always.
00:52:38
You can't knock to start. Whatever ABBA song she was trying to sing. Oh, my God.
00:52:45
So there have been, Alison Agassi, our writer, went through and found us some karaoke violence stories.
00:52:50
Oh. They're notable. For example, in Parks, Australia, Elvis Presley impersonator Bernie Perry was found dead in his home after a karaoke night at the Royal Hotel.
00:53:02
And a fellow musician was charged with his murder. Wow. Yes. So, you know, I think the drama around karaoke continues.
00:53:13
Always will. Tell us your karaoke stories for Hometowns, you guys. Good one. We want to hear your fucking horrible, wonderful, worst, best karaoke stories.
00:53:23
Yes. Send them to myfavoritemurder at Gmail, please. Have you been discovered at karaoke?
00:53:28
Did you get broken up with because of your karaoke performance? That would be amazing.
00:53:33
Please let us know. God, my fantasy is that I'm with friends. A karaoke night starts.
00:53:38
I don't want to do it. Everyone makes me do it. And then I sing some awesome like Rihanna song.
00:53:42
Like something genuinely cool. Yeah. And that's why it'll never happen. Right. It's because that's not how karaoke works.
00:53:48
Last time I thought about this when I was drunk and I'm like, what is going to be my karaoke song?
00:53:53
I think it needs to be Doja Cat Paint the Town Red But I can sing like her Like I thought of that not even at karaoke So that a terrible idea Right But one time Vince and his friend Jesse did I Put Your Picture Away by Kid Rock and Sheryl Crow which I just think is the funniest
00:54:10
I don't think I could fucking I think I would just piss myself laughing. Also, those two dudes are the most dude dudes of all time.
00:54:17
They're Midwestern dudes through and through. Just like beer in hand. How's it going?
00:54:22
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It's your time to shine. All right. Mine's, um, I think this episode is a pop culture episode.
00:56:48
Okay. And we actually touched on this and I didn't go as deep into this earlier as I wanted to
00:56:55
because I was like, we're getting into my murder territory. All right, Karen. Yes.
00:57:01
1995. I remember. Do you remember what you used to do when you'd come home from school
00:57:06
or when you'd wake up at 3 p.m. and you'd sit down with a bowl of cereal? Karen, would you watch daytime talk shows like Maury Povich?
00:57:16
Yes. And like... Jenny Jones. Thank you. Yeah. And for example... Yep. Jenny Jones.
00:57:23
yeah all right so this this one i want to i feel like we have a lot of young listeners
00:57:30
who don't know what it was like back then before reality tv shows we had uh daytime talk shows that
00:57:38
were introducing us to interesting characters and fucked up things and it was all salacious
00:57:43
and shitty and tawdry but it was fascinating and amazing and sometimes great um some of the things
00:57:49
then sometimes there'd just be makeovers. So there would be, I wrote like a couple of things,
00:57:56
lie detector, cheating. So like a guy would come out and they're cheating on me,
00:58:00
lie detector. Out of control teens. Love that. Send them that bootcamp. Send them a bootcamp.
00:58:06
Scream right in their face. Yes. Scream in their face. And then I wrote fucked up makeovers.
00:58:10
Because they're always like, you don't dress like a mom because you're wrong. And they always rhyme.
00:58:15
They always rhyme. And then there would be a weird entrance where they would walk down
00:58:18
like a fake catwalk at the end. Oh yeah. But to me, I was always like, I liked you better
00:58:23
when you had that weird leopard print tank cap on. You look so boring now. Yeah.
00:58:30
Yeah, that and then the audience would just scream shit. It was just like a free for all.
00:58:34
Yeah. And it was fun. Good times. And we watched the shit out of that. Yeah. So one of those people that had a show
00:58:42
because everyone was getting that at the time, but I actually liked the show a lot,
00:58:45
was the Jenny Jones show. and Jenny Jones had been, I don't know, an actress and a singer.
00:58:50
Was she really? Jenny Jones was a standup comic. I will just slide this one in. Please.
00:58:54
Who was on, and she always wore a tiny blue sequin dress for her sets. She had really big blonde hair.
00:59:03
She was basically kind of like the cheesecake standup comic girl that was like, I look like this,
00:59:09
but now I'm going to get real and tell you stuff like this. So it was like, she would be quote unquote
00:59:13
playing against her own type. Sure. in her stand-up comedy. Well, thank you for doing my research
00:59:18
because I totally meant to do that. No problem. I also, all right. A lot of fucked up episodes.
00:59:27
Let's get to March 6th, 1995. When an episode was taped, the premise was people revealing their crushes.
00:59:38
All right. So one guy named Jonathan Schmitz, who's 26, he's brought in under the guise
00:59:43
of someone has a big secret crush on you and the crush will be revealed on stage.
00:59:49
Okay, I just have to say, in a setup like this, I feel like this is everyone's dream come true.
00:59:54
Like isn that We all wanted to be on these It the stuff of like but even aside from being on tv the idea of someone going someone likes you i been obsessed with you and i i crazy about you
01:00:06
like when your friend goes oh my god you know who likes you isn't that like basically a high
01:00:09
point of life that's kind of like totally what we all live for when you find out and it's like
01:00:14
and that's i don't know i feel like this is so 90s and and such a like we passed notes we didn't
01:00:20
have writing on people's message boards and social media yeah we we passed notes and we passed
01:00:27
rumors and gossip through our friends and there was no other way of fucking handling it exactly
01:00:31
you couldn't find out what anybody was doing or where anyone was going was all gossip all gossip
01:00:36
um what the producers didn't tell jonathan was that the actual name of the show was same sex
01:00:45
crushes revealed. They didn't tell him that. Jonathan was straight. So he goes on the show,
01:00:52
as he says, out of curiosity. He later claims that the producers implied that the admirer was
01:00:58
a woman. So they didn't keep him in the dark. They told him it was a woman, although they claim they
01:01:03
didn't tell him that. And they told him that he would meet the girl of his dreams. So he's on stage
01:01:15
and they're like building it up as they do. I mean, these shows were great at doing this kind of thing.
01:01:21
Yeah. And The Secret Admire comes out and it's Scott Bernard, oh God, I meant to look this up,
01:01:28
Amdur. And he was in Quaintance of Schmitz. They had lived near each other in Lake Orion, Michigan.
01:01:38
And when Scott comes out, he reveals his crush to Jonathan. Jonathan is visibly shaken and embarrassed, apparently.
01:01:45
and states that he's heterosexual and but he laughs it off and he's amiable and then uh scott
01:01:53
goes on to tell the audience about a fantasy that uh involved jonathan and whipped cream
01:01:58
and strawberries and champagne um and then that's when jonathan becomes enraged on camera
01:02:05
uh i think in his heart okay okay yeah not on camera so this and and so another thing for like
01:02:15
1995 for people to understand is that that homophobia was fucking i know it seems like
01:02:21
we're in a different place now but homophobia was hard fucking core also it was it it was
01:02:28
completely okay culturally for people to be homophobic it was crazy even if you weren't
01:02:35
homophobic making gay jokes was okay it happened constantly yeah and there was no um there were no
01:02:41
voices to say, hey, go fuck yourself or you're in the wrong or anything like that.
01:02:47
Okay. This is the, you don't understand the prevailing attitude was like, that's funny,
01:02:54
or that's, that's something to mock or that's something disgusting or it's, you know, it's,
01:02:58
it's a very different time. And that's not that long ago, which is so troubling. And so that,
01:03:02
you know, in 1991, um, Paul Broussard, who was a, uh, 27 year old Houston area banker
01:03:09
died after a gay bashing incident outside a Houston nightclub where nine high schoolers
01:03:15
beat and stabbed him to death. And this was what life was like back then. You can't not
01:03:21
mention Matthew Shepard in 98, 1998. That was 98? 98. He was beaten, tortured, and left to
01:03:29
ultimately die in Laramie, Wyoming. So this wasn't a like, you know, we'll make fun of gay
01:03:37
people time this was a if you're in certain parts of the country and certain people want to fuck
01:03:41
with you and you're gay yeah i mean and i'm not to say that it doesn't happen now as well but
01:03:46
there's such it's just a totally different there are people who will speak up against it everywhere
01:03:52
you go yeah there's a shift of understanding that that that and a shift of identity of like of people
01:03:59
that are saying all those all the prevailing attitudes of like this is a deviance as opposed
01:04:05
to know i am your relative yeah i'm your brother your friend um it's people that you know this
01:04:11
isn't some aberration that it's like um it's not an affliction it's who it's a it's an identity
01:04:17
and also it's the majority of the pop not the majority of the population but it's an even
01:04:22
amount there used to be a like there was a government an old old government um projection
01:04:27
that said 10 of the population was gay when it's way way higher so it's just that thing of like
01:04:33
you know it's it's an educational process that's taken us forever and it's great i mean as much as
01:04:41
i fucking hate the internet it's like there's you would never have known what a huge population of
01:04:47
people who are way fucking different than you in every way are out there unless you know you had
01:04:52
that the internet right and people have a voice now yeah yeah fuck yeah so let's cut back to three
01:05:00
days after the taping um and scott leaves a suggestive note on jonathan's at jonathan's house
01:05:10
um jonathan finds the note and withdraws money from the bank purchases a shotgun and then went
01:05:20
over to scott's mobile home he questions uh scott about the note and then jonathan goes back to his
01:05:30
car gets his gun and goes back to the trailer he shoots scott twice in the chest with a 12 gauge
01:05:37
buck shot at such close range that paper wadding from the shotgun shell ended up on scott's heart
01:05:45
while a fragment of the other shells casing entered his left lung so like this is a look at
01:05:51
me while I'm fucking killing you situation. After killing Scott Jonathan leaves the residence and he calls 911 and confesses Wow Yeah
01:06:05
Okay. So, um, let's see. Okay. During the trial, he gets arrested during the trial.
01:06:15
It's stated that Scott's friend says that after the taping of the Jenny Jones show, Scott and Jonathan actually went out drinking together and had an alleged sexual encounter.
01:06:29
So it's possible this whole thing. I mean, that's a weird element to it. They don't talk about a lot in a lot of these articles.
01:06:36
It's alleged. Because it's hearsay. Yeah. Yeah. Total hearsay. It's hearsay that's, yeah.
01:06:42
it kind of it puts the it puts the level of anger into in it makes a little more sense to me you
01:06:50
know yeah or it could be a lie it could be a lie to justify uh no no no but this is this is scott's
01:07:00
friend this is the guy who gets killed friend said that that they went out together that night
01:07:04
but you're right okay no no i'm just i'm just saying alleged is a big word yeah so he's found
01:07:09
guilty of secondary murder in 1996, sentenced to 25 to 50 years in prison. Convictions overturned
01:07:16
upon retrial, found guilty of the same charge. Once again, sentence reinstated. In 1999,
01:07:24
Scott's family sues the Jenny Jones show, telepictures and Warner brothers for the ambush
01:07:29
tactics and their negligent role that led to the death of Scott. The jury found that the Jenny Jones
01:07:38
show was irresponsible and negligent and that the show intentionally created an explosive situation
01:07:44
without due concern for the possible consequences which is like fucking every reality show right now
01:07:51
too um the michigan jury found the jenny jones show negligent and responsible for the events
01:07:58
they gave scott's family over 25 million um 6.5 in funeral costs and burial 5 million for um
01:08:07
the pain and suffering and 10 million each for loss of companionship and compensation.
01:08:13
But the judgment was later overturned by the Michigan Court of Appeals in a two to one judgment and the Michigan Supreme Court declined to hear the case.
01:08:23
So then they never had to pay that money? No, it wasn't Jenny Jones's and it wasn't their fault, you know.
01:08:29
although there was apparently a letter saying that that uh was i don't know it seems like
01:08:39
they didn't fucking tell him what what he was expecting and uh you know so it's so they're at
01:08:47
fault and the producers decided not to air the show but you can see it on court tv's coverage
01:08:53
of the trial and it's also featured in an hbo documentary called talked to death oh but man
01:09:00
wow it's so fucking sad isn't it well also it makes me think because you you said um like that
01:09:08
i could happen again but i bet you after that a shit ton of rules were put into place oh yeah
01:09:14
by production companies that were like and if you do this you have to do this like um like say
01:09:19
something like on Maury Povich or whatever. Like I'm sure all those other really exploitive
01:09:25
Sally Jessie. Cheaters. You remember Cheaters recently? Yeah. Yeah. Cheaters was crazy. I used
01:09:30
to watch that all the time, but I mean, that's like kind of. The host got stabbed. Yeah. Yeah.
01:09:34
The host got stabbed. Remember? Yes. That's right. You know what I've always had a problem with is,
01:09:38
so you, when you're on a TV show or you're going to be in an area where there's taping,
01:09:42
you have to sign a, you know, a waiver saying you're okay with your, your, you know, your image.
01:09:48
but you know i bet they had him sign that before this happened no here's the thing tell me everything
01:09:54
you know here's what i know yeah is that it's only in certain states that you have to do that
01:09:58
and um because there's certain states where like in new york city you can film you can walk down
01:10:04
the street and film and you're and you're fine in california you can't do that so in california
01:10:11
like when we would like on jobs i've had you have to stick signs up now in new york you have to do
01:10:16
the same thing. You have to put up a sign that says you're about to walk past a rolling camera
01:10:21
or whatever. Exactly. But in California, you have to have waivers. So if you, if we would do man on
01:10:28
the street stuff and there'd be a lady that would walk behind the interview and then go blah, blah,
01:10:32
blah. It was something great that you wanted to use. You'd have to have PAs run down to get that
01:10:37
lady to make sure she signed or you could not use the footage because basically the footage then
01:10:41
becomes the proof you know what i mean like they have a a open and shut case that like yeah you
01:10:48
film me and i didn't say you could and i you don't have the paper that says i said you could so you
01:10:52
can't use it so what about when you worked on like talk shows and you had guests that would come in
01:10:56
like they signed shit beforehand like that anything you say can be aired you can't go back and be like
01:11:01
i didn't expect this question to be asked of me and i don't want this on on tv well no you they
01:11:07
do do that like ask questions that they they weren't either prepped for or whatever but that's
01:11:13
more that goes into like a more of a celebrity thing they would know i don't think they do that
01:11:16
to um like human interest guests that much but in the celebrity world where they're like okay
01:11:23
this is the person that just had the affair and it's in the news and everyone knows this person
01:11:26
just had the affair and so the publicist is like you will not be talking about the affair and you
01:11:31
ask this question we're fucking leaving exactly and then the producer goes of course we won't of
01:11:35
course you will and then when they're sitting there everybody makes that call they literally
01:11:39
make that call where they're just like ask the question the question get gets asked the celebrity
01:11:44
answers the question because they're in that situation where they're what are they going to
01:11:49
do and they don't want to be rude and the publicist goes bat chip bananas backstage i've seen this
01:11:54
i mean like that i haven't it's not like i've been in those gotcha situations i've never worked on gotcha
01:12:00
shows like that. But that is a thing that's done where then it becomes a political thing,
01:12:05
but usually between the publicist and the show where it's like, I will never come back. None
01:12:10
of my clients will come here. I will pull this. And it becomes like a thing. Is this worth losing all those clients because Angelina Jolie said whatever the fuck about her
01:12:19
marriage? It's worth it. Let's just fucking do it. It's worth it. It's worth the ratings. We will be
01:12:22
the first people to have had the word on this. And then the publicist sees that the movie that
01:12:26
they're making gets way more fucking people watching because they saw this thing at the end.
01:12:29
I can't deal with it. It's crazy because that it really is that thing where that whole world of like bad publicity is,
01:12:37
is there's no such thing as bad publicity because it really is true with the way social media is
01:12:42
and the way the digital world has changing entertainment. Yeah. That kind of stuff is like, there are people that plant their own gotcha stuff because they know
01:12:50
it's the same thing of like how the Kardashians call the paparazzi on themselves.
01:12:55
We're going to be here. It's that thing where people, when you, people have learned over time that being in that victim
01:13:01
stance actually can be good for your career. And so they'll do it or they'll set it up.
01:13:07
Like if they feel that this is a question they weren't expecting and they're being suddenly
01:13:11
open and honest when really they fucking knew it was going to happen and then they get played as
01:13:15
the victim. But they magically handle it so well that suddenly the public who, you know, it's kind
01:13:20
of that thing. I know it wasn't, I don't think, I shouldn't say I know, I do not know for a fact,
01:13:25
But I'm pretty sure when Hugh Grant went on Leno to talk about when he got caught with Divine Brown and he was married and all that stuff, the way he handled that.
01:13:36
Let's go back to 95. Right? Was it around then? He handled that so beautifully. Because it was like he basically went, oh, I did it.
01:13:45
And he's like blushing and like, yeah, I'm sorry and bad, whatever. And it's the thing that up until that point, any publicist would tell an actor in that position, you can't go on a talk show.
01:13:54
or if you do, they will not talk about this, whatever. And instead, suddenly we see how this situation
01:14:00
can be handled in a different way and you can turn an entire culture back onto your side.
01:14:06
And so basically this is just one more Karen ruining TV for everybody, but it's that thing where it's like
01:14:12
these things are strategized and planned out so much more than anybody thinks. It makes me ill and it's the reason why
01:14:20
I yell at the TV all the time. I can't, I cannot watch late night talk shows. I can't watch those interviews.
01:14:30
It makes me want to scream. Hey, Karen, I heard you went to the fucking beach lately.
01:14:33
Oh my God. That's so funny you bring that up because it's weird. Yeah. And the weirdest, creepiest part, I'm not acting anymore.
01:14:41
Yeah, no, we're done. The weirdest, creepiest part is there are people that are so good.
01:14:45
Like you can watch people who have done the same story on more than one talk show.
01:14:50
And they look like they're just like, oh my God, I'm just, I'm just remembering this.
01:14:53
Oh, that's right. That birthday was so crazy where you're just like, oh, this is just,
01:14:57
this is a completely orchestrated conversation. Nothing is real. Nothing is real. Speak for
01:15:04
yourself. Question authority. Timothy Larry. Goodbye. No, I'm on acid right now. No, I just
01:15:12
can't. I just can't. It's not reality. It's not real. And it scares me. And it's not TV. It's HBO.
01:15:18
Oh, what? 95. Why did they get a plug? We been plugging so much shit Like Time Magazine fucking books Hey check out Time Magazine everybody Boards they don fucking they haven paid us to plug them fucking pumpkins
01:15:36
Oh, man. Guys, that was, you know what? I like that because it was like kind of different, still on theme, but then we both took it in
01:15:44
a little bit of a different direction. No children got killed this episode. That's right.
01:15:48
That's rare. Could we just aim for that once a month? I'm sorry. Yeah, just once a month and a fucking child.
01:15:57
Did you see somebody made an I'm sorry where they made the I'm really small? It was basically like the visual.
01:16:03
And it was perfect because that's exactly what. Sorry. Yeah. That's good stuff. All right, we've done it again.
01:16:11
We've done it? Yeah. Wait, this is episode 40. High five. Shut the fuck up, is it?
01:16:15
Yeah. Episode 40? Yeah. Oh my God, look at us go. That's crazy. Karen, I'm proud of us.
01:16:23
I'm proud of us too. We've been friends for 40 weeks. Here's to 20 more. There's the one week I got married and your mom died.
01:16:34
Oh, that's right. I'm sorry. I'm sorry I got married. We've been friends for 39 weeks.
01:16:38
That was the realest week of all though. We're so casual about it. Sorry, you guys.
01:16:44
We're not, because we didn't have any. There was nobody. March, man, nobody here in March.
01:16:48
I was like, this is a thing. yeah no one cared you're like i like that girl from that thing and that girl from that thing
01:16:55
yeah i'll listen um we have to tell uh tell each other one good thing from this week oh good idea
01:17:00
you go first because i can't think of anything we'll always forget that part um my my thing
01:17:06
is that uh i really reconnected with mimi my cat mimi what i know it's so stupid like suddenly i
01:17:14
like i'm obsessed with elvis he's my fucking why are you laughing at me it's true because you're
01:17:19
As you're telling me, you're petting Mimi, but it's a little Dr. Evilly. My cat Mimi.
01:17:27
We got eye to eye and brain to brain. Can I plug their Instagram? It's Elvis and Mimi on Instagram.
01:17:37
I've always been scared to love her because I thought Elvis wouldn't love me anymore for it.
01:17:42
Wow. I know. I'm fucking insane. What's it called? When your cat's... I have worms in my head.
01:17:48
Talk so positive. Toxoplasmosis. Thank you, Stephen. Feline aid. And then suddenly I realized what a sweet angel she is.
01:17:56
And Elvis gives zero shits about anything but cookies. It's very true. We're good.
01:18:00
It was nice to like, it's been nice to, I love cats. Go on. They're pretty great.
01:18:05
Yeah. These ones are sweet. They like you guys, which is rare for them. Not for people to like you, but.
01:18:11
Yeah, that's pretty rare. I'm sorry. Okay. This whole time I've been scrambling in my head.
01:18:17
Okay, this, fine. I'll just do it. This is honest. This is, at least I'm being honest.
01:18:23
The shirt I'm wearing right now is my favorite shirt I've ever owned in my life.
01:18:28
It looks amazing. Thanks. It's just a salmon and navy striped shirt that I got at Crossroads, Stephen.
01:18:38
You look like a hot pirate. Hey, but I, there's something about it. It like reminds me of high school.
01:18:45
It reminds me of all these things. it's really weird. I appreciate the thinness of it.
01:18:51
And yet it super comfortable Substantial Yeah And it a little tiny bit blousey but then it also it just it working for me in every way to the point where I noticed your boobs earlier It a thing I do as an A cupper
01:19:02
Drapey. It's like, you know, it's like, oh, she's womanly, but she's not trying to throw it in my
01:19:07
face. That's right. I actually cover it up to make you want it more. It's a very Victorian of me.
01:19:13
The more layers you put on, the more I'm like, what could be under there? I'm going to start wrapping a scarf around my neck and then you're going to be so into me.
01:19:22
And then I'd be like, does her neck fall off when I unwrap that skirt? You mean that Halloween story?
01:19:27
Scary stories to tell. Stephen, what is it? Scary stories to tell in the dark. Stephen's having a nervous breakdown.
01:19:34
You know what? What Stephen's saying right now to us with this laughing, this hysterical laughing is
01:19:38
end this fucking podcast. You guys are out of your minds. Stop talking about everything.
01:19:42
Scary stories to tell in the dark. Don't even look it up, Stephen. I got this. You take off the necklace and never take my skirt off.
01:19:47
Never take my necklace off. And then her head falls off and she says, I told you not to take it.
01:19:51
And then he puts it on a stick. And he walks down the street of Sacramento with it.
01:19:55
You guys, thank you so much for listening. We love you. We're totally insane. Stay sexy.
01:19:59
Oh, don't get murdered. Rate, review, subscribe on Instagram. I mean, where? Oh, my God.
01:20:05
Elvis. Elvis. Save us. Do you want a cookie? You want a cookie? Want a cookie? Yeah.
01:20:14
Bye. We both get shot. Oh, my God. So we're back. Do you have any updates on the story?
01:20:29
I actually do. So in August 2017, Jonathan Schmitz was granted parole and released from prison after serving 22 years of his sentence.
01:20:37
Scott Amiger's brother, Frank Amiger, said to the Associated Press at the time, quote,
01:20:42
I'd like to know that he learned something, that he's a changed man, is no longer homophobic and has gotten psychological care, end quote.
01:20:49
A Michigan Department of Corrections spokesman told people he was released because of good behavior credit.
01:20:55
Schmitz has kept a low profile since his release and is still in Michigan. So that's that.
01:21:00
I mean, yeah, it's such a sad story. It's a terrible story. And I know a ton about it because my old boss was there when it happened.
01:21:09
So wild. And they used to talk about how horrible it was all the time. And just like that thing of you go from, that was very like 80s, 90s television that they used to try to produce and the, you know, daytime wars and trying to get numbers.
01:21:22
And so shows like that, it was Rikki Lake and Jenny Jones and all the Sally, Jesse, Raphael.
01:21:29
Like for some reason they came on at like 3.30. So you'd get home from school. Why did they come on when children got home from school?
01:21:36
I was traumatized. We binged that shit. It was like there was an episode of Donahue where basically the KKK comes to like speak on their own behalf.
01:21:45
Yeah. And it is the most upsetting. I was just sitting there as a 12 year old, like bawling.
01:21:49
Yeah. And then this amazing black woman stood up and was like, y'all need to sit down.
01:21:53
You're in New York City now. And the whole audience is like on Donahue. That's amazing. It was great.
01:21:59
Yeah. Those I mean, that that transformed our childhood somehow. And somehow we're still successful people.
01:22:05
I mean... It's really... Or maybe we're... Maybe it's because of... I don't know.
01:22:10
It opened the door to reality. I mean, that was like the beginning of true reality television,
01:22:15
even though it was very produced and often fake. But some of it started and was very real Yeah Yeah so crazy Yeah the characters Okay just really quick I forgot about that navy and salmon striped shirt that I was talking about was my favorite shirt I would kill for
01:22:33
that shirt these days. Oh, it was long gone. I can't keep anything that I like is gone in like
01:22:38
three months. Why could you wear it so much it falls apart? I know it's like I bring it places
01:22:42
and then oh no, I've left it somewhere. I don't know. It's so irritating. But like that shirt
01:22:48
When I was reading this, I was just like, oh, bring it back. So stupid. Someone find that shirt, please, on what's it called?
01:22:58
One of those sites. All right. So we would hate to change Squad Gords as this moment of Georgia's, you know, organic and natural brain genius.
01:23:08
Thank you so much. But maybe we would call this episode, if we were to change the title today, we would call it Let's Start With a Prayer.
01:23:15
George is always going religious at the beginning of the show It's just me, it's who I am, I'm weird like that
01:23:21
And the beginning of my prayer was Dear Oprah So we could name it Dear Oprah We should, we always should
01:23:26
Wow, good one, episode 40 Episode 40, we're really getting into our podcasting chops
01:23:36
Just 900 more to go Thank you guys for listening And we'll keep doing it if you keep listening on Wednesdays
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01:23:49
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