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It's Wednesday. It can only mean one thing. It means that we're trapped in your phone and we're forced to recap our old episodes with all new commentary, updates, and insights.
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And today we are recapping episode 44. It's named Live from the Chicago Podcast Festival and it is a major page in our scrapbook of life.
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It is an epic episode. Epic-a-zone? I mean. I feel like I can remember every moment of that day leading up to that show and after.
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Yeah. We should post the video that Brandy Posey took from the audience of when we came out
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on stage and are stunned by the amount of people and the noise, which I could feel in
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my fucking toes. Yeah. All right, let's get into it. The Chicago Podcast Festival ended in 2019 and their website is now defunct, but we had
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a great time. And this episode came out on November 23rd. That was the day President Obama awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom to 21 people.
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We did not make the cut. It could have been a clean 23 on the 23rd, but forget it.
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Let's listen anyways. Let's listen anyways. Yeah, to the intro of episode 44. What's up, murderinos?
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I can't fucking see you, but you're pretty. I don't have a huge speech for this one
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because we're going to keep it pretty simple when we decided we were going to do the Chicago Podcast Festival
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this was a show that was very high on our lists we asked, they said yes please welcome to the stage
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Georgia Hardstar, Kieran Kilgariff and my favorite murder come on come on damn it
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you are so drunk I am are you? a little bit hi Chicago hi guys okay see you later
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it's just gonna be me a one woman show tonight oh this is crazy hi guys we're very happy to be here
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we are anyone not know whose voice was who and it's freaking out right now because he thought it
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was the other i'm the one who says fuck a lot i'm the one that says look you know here's the thing
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i didn't know i did that until you told me now i'm gonna think about it all the time uh this is fucking not so yeah
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exciting very exciting the cool thing is that at some point I'm going to jump into this orchestra pit
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it's true that's what we decided beforehand we drew straws Karen is I'm going to do the pit jump
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there's no orchestra there's no bottom there's no bottom can I do a model walk to show off my dress.
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Oh, yeah. I got this dress today at Chicago, Michigan Avenue, Nordstrom. Thank you.
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I thought you were going to say... Shout out, Nordstrom. I thought she was going to say,
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can I do a monologue? Yeah, can I... Could I do one dramatic and one comedic monologue?
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Go ahead. Yeah. A short dance? Okay, go. Hold this. you guys i just wish karen wasn't so shy
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pockets are oh dude the greatest stop it people love pockets right it not just me and i said that i texted you that my outfit was I was going to cosplay Nancy St Stacey Yes that right Did you did you recognize Nancy St Stacey
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But I was going to wear like 80s heels and I fucking take it. Take a walk. It'll feel good.
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It started off sad and it ended great. And then should we sit and talk? Yeah, Because this is weird.
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This is so weird. All right. Well, let's not. Should we not with the... Yeah, we shouldn't use these.
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Yeah, yeah. Except you're gonna. Although. Yeah, no, we shouldn't. No, no, no. You're right, you're right.
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Let's do this. When we tell the stories, we will. It's just kind of slimming when you have it in front of you.
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Bisects. Draws the eye upward. Why didn't we ask for a couch? I need kick pants what the fuck
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is this a small top stool I said give her the one that's wobbly so she'll look so stupid
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it'll be fine I'm fine do you want to sit on the ground yeah I'll sit cross-legged
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on the ground you could I don't know what we're gonna what were other people doing up here
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perching like a lady not interested let's see do you have any we should do some business right
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like some that's right no more shouting out or I'll have to come out there the corrections corner is that
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our family is in a thing up here corrections corner is our our drunk families up in a box somewhere
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judging us you're all my mommy yeah clap for the family they're all my mommy do you have things written
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karen you're gonna fuck him uh here's my corrections corner it's fine it'll be funny
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when i fall um it always is my corrections corner and this one is one of my favorites of all time
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last week we were talking about uh i think we were probably reading a hometown and someone
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mentioned i read the name vincent lee and they were saying like oh that's a fucked up murder and
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i was like oh i gotta look that up we were both like i don't know who that is i know you've done
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it so many so many people that wanted to let me know how i did know what it was because i'd
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actually reported on it myself on my own podcast yep who would have fucking bunk i mean i don't
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remember their names or whatever i remember the machete we don't remember killers we remember
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we remember feelings things and qualities uh also i would like to say people that catch up people
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that are behind a little bit oh yeah i fucking now know that manitoba is not a city all right i know
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now. You don't have to keep fucking telling me. Stop telling her. She gets it. It's funny the like
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corrections we get where we're like, yeah, we know. Uh, yeah. Yeah. I know. I've known that for like
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two weeks. We're bitch. You guys know that we're total bitches, right? Like, like dad, daddy.
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That was my mom. Love you. She's a very tall woman. oh also Stephen Ray Morris could not be here tonight
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Stevie our audio engineer but his sister is here his sister even better sister Ray Morris
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Stephanie Ray Morris and she's never listened to the podcast and doesn't know that he's like
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Stephen and I want us all to like give her she thinks it's let her know I believe
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I think she thinks this is a Christian podcast right? So this is going to be fun. Yeah. Uh, and Elvis, his mom is here. Really? No,
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but I'll give it that to happen. Like an old cat would come walking down. Half an ear bitten.
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I just don't know what to do. Want to get a chair? Should we get a chair chair? No,
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I'm going to beat this. I'm going to beat this stool. Don't even. Don't bring it over.
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Don't do it. Well, so this is the My Favorite Murder podcast, in case no one. Didn't anyone know that?
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Thank you for screaming so much. That's Karen. And that's Georgia. Yeah. I like that we're doing it now as if we do that at the top of every show.
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We honestly treat every show like we've never done podcasting before. No, no. It's like it surprises us every single week.
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Oh, we should introduce this. Yeah. As if someone just fucking stumbled upon this,
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like they're changing the radio stations and like, what is this? Exactly. It's 1961.
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These girls are cursing. What? Look at this beat. Do you have any corrections or shout outs
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or anything you need to talk about? No, I'm petrified right now. Oh, okay. Who wouldn't be?
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No, this is great. No, I mean, fuck, man. Everything's the best right now. Right?
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Right now? Yeah. It was the last one we did. oh yeah okay the what are you talking about the last episode we did i don't remember at all
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was it vincent lee i don't know well here we are face to face it's like two people who didn't do their book report who are like anyway
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what i love about books is the paper inside the problem is you're not going to know all the like three hours of shit that's edited out of the
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podcast yeah that not true we just let everything go in there clearly we let it all go in Let it go in Should we talk about murders Yeah yeah yeah yeah
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You guys like, it's pretty, who's a murderino, like for real? Let go. I mean, that's called pandering.
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Now we're pandering. I don't think it's our thing though. I'm sitting on it with my butt.
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Okay, Karen, we're back. I just checked. Manitoba is still not a city. Damn it. These are the mistakes that like you just say it casually on a recording nine years previous and it just never goes away.
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It's always a mistake. Can we talk about a serious thing real quick? Because there's something I remember from that.
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That was like our first real live show in a way that wasn't like. Yes. We go on stage and you start showing off your dress.
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and then I go something I say something like oh it's too bad she's not shy and you later asked me
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you said to me can we not make comments like that that are like undercutting each other
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and I remember that so specifically because it was like I hadn't even realized that that's what
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it was that's what I was doing it's just like how I had been on stage before in the past and I just
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yeah it really set a precedent I think for like we don't tease we build each other up in a way
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Which, you know, it's not like I haven't teased you before, but I think it's that thing of like, first of all, it was all like brand new, this idea of what we were doing and how we were doing it and doing it together, where it's like we have to real quick become like this vaudeville duo.
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and the way I was taught and I've said a bunch of these things to you but it's like there are ways
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that you can tell the audience like we are all united and when you do that they go along with
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you and they kind of like stay in line but if there's breakdown then the breakdown starts like
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everywhere so it's like who are we against who are we rooting for exactly they have tapped into
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this podcast because you and I the way you and I talk to each other and then it's that kind of
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thing where it's like it's easy I do it too I wasn't saying like this is what you do and I never
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do it it's like this is a trap that it's easy to fall into right in comedy well I had you know in
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past duos and past relationships had been in that place where it was like there's only room for one
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person to shine yeah and so you need to play the you know doormat almost and that was the way it
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was. And so being able to learn how to do it better and different was really like valuable for
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me in my day-to-day life itself. So that was really, really cool. And I think I'm glad we
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figured it out the first time and then just went for it. Well, yeah, I am too. And I think those
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live shows, every single time we did them, and I remember one time you said to me where it was like,
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I would be like telling you something. You're like, yeah, but this isn't TV. This is this whole
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new thing. And it's like, yep, you're right. Like, we can't just take exactly what we know and slam
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it onto other things. And when something is that new and that like kind of intimidating,
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it's easy to be like, it has to be my way or it has to be the thing I'm most comfortable with.
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And instead, it's like, sorry, we have to do improv right now and do a scary thing,
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which is not know and do it anyway. Because there's no rules. There's no like live there,
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especially then was no live podcast, live comedy, true crime podcast rules. Right.
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To live by. But now it's what we got. Yeah. We got a couple of those going. It was like the thing of like, don't ask the front row a question because they'll yell at us for the rest of the show.
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Whereas stuff like that, we were like, but I want to know what was in their hand.
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I'm like, of course. Yes. Or like, they'll tell me how to pronounce that city if I just ask one of them.
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Like, no, no, no. You have to do it in a controlled way where it's like, it's just you, Maureen.
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And you're the only one answering this question. And here's another thing we learned that I learned because you, I think, later said we discussed it.
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I do not remember this at all. This is like the first and only time I went to a live show in a city and was like, I'm just going to do any story.
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Like now, I didn't think to do a story in Illinois. It didn't even cross my mind.
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So now when we tour, we do a story that takes place, you know, in and around where we're doing it as close as possible.
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because there's so many fucking stories now. It's impossible to get as close as we want.
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But so I come in here with this story, not thinking like, you should do a Chicago story.
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It's a great story. I just noticed that. It takes place in motherfucking Texas. So yeah.
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Yeah. Let's get into it. I mean, this is how you learn like the old standup adages,
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like local jokes get local work. You just, this is it. You're just like, tell them about themselves.
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It's about them. That's what they want. However, we wouldn't have the beautiful, wonderfulness that is sweet honesty without this.
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That's right. Oh, there was no mistakes made. There was no mistakes made here. And we can tell, you can tell when the jokes are flowing and it all goes so well. Also, this is our first live podcast and it goes this way. Like that audience, that feeling and that audience, it was, I was finally convinced, even though you had been showing me real good data for a full year. And I finally was like, oh, this is something. It actually is something.
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My mom was in the audience and my mom and stepdad. It was just so special. And my sister and Adrian and Audrey and Brandy.
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All the lady-to-lady girls were there. Women, ladies. It was very cool. And then, again, my favorite murder fully apologizes to the Athenaeum Theater staff from that night,
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who we made stay at their job, like, four hours longer than they expected to, because I invited everyone to say hi to us in the lobby like a fucking asshole Let talk about it at the end because that was pretty epic too So okay let get into Georgia story This is the Fort Worth 3 kidnapping
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mobile.com are you gonna go first i think i'm first this time oh so i'm gonna put my hands in
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my pockets and put my microphone over here. Would you mind putting your hands in your pocket, Karen?
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As I tell you, I swore I was going to belch and it's about to happen. She's going to do some Robert Durst belches
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for us. Oh, that was a good one. Was that really? Yeah, that was me. That sounded like a fucking horse, I swear to God.
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I thought you were doing a joke burp sound. I'm a lady. That was unbelievable. I had a soda pop. If they want to
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pay us, I'll just say which one it is. But I'm not... Shit, girl. Otherwise, we don't do branding.
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Otherwise, Dr. Pepper. Okay. Okay. Ready? Yes. Okay. Are you ready? Yeah. Now I'm just...
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Now that's too much pressure. All right. Okay, so December 23rd, Super Nair Christmas,
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in 1974. A great year for collars and cords. There you go. Bring us back, Karen, to a time...
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1974, where the air was filled with lead pollution, and everybody had a mustache, even girls.
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Yeah, you were supposed to beat your children. Yes, you were required. You had to sign a paper when you left the hospital with the baby
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that said, I promise to hit this child in the face every day. And I'll let anyone hit them too.
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Yeah. Strangers, people on the street. They probably deserve it. So, okay, so three ladies.
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Renee Wilson, she's 14. Rachel Trelika, who's 17. And Julianne Mosley, who's nine,
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go on a shopping trip for Christmas presents. Can't be good. Nope. No, they were fine.
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Let's talk about Tad Bundy. Anyway, Vlad the Impaler So these three girls They go to a upscale mall
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The Seminary South Shopping Center This girl knows it I hear someone fucking whispering
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In Fort Worth, Texas Oh Have you been? I just thought I should make a noise like that
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Okay They're supposed to be home by 4pm guess what Karen didn't show up they didn't show up they didn't show up so Renee and Rachel the
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older girls were old friends Renee asked Rachel to come with her shopping and then Renee's boyfriend
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was gonna come but he went to a friend's house so his little sister Julie begs to come so they bring
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their her boyfriend's little sister along so it's the three of them they get to the mall she Rachel
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parks her car at the top of the fucking uh car park osmobile and they go shopping people see them
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because and this needs to be our new shirt she's wearing a shirt that says sweet honesty what
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that's 1974 for you what the fuck what stoner put that thing together sweet and you know it was
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like crazy cursive with the y on the honesty and then like three loop-de-loos glitter like all
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around just on the tits yeah no bra no bra no bra didn't have to 70s tits yeah for sure they were real low so a ton of people see them at the mall people
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because people see her shirt whatever the fuck and then that evening families get worried as they do they go out looking
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And they find her car where she parked it on the roof of the small area. And the car is locked and inside are the presents.
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So at some point they went to the car, put the presents in there, lock the car, and then what?
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Right? Yes. I don't know. You have to tell me. So they're freaking out. The next day a letter comes in the mail and it goes to Rachel's husband's house.
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Now Rachel, who was 17 and married. What? What? Yeah. Wait, is that sweet honesty?
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That's the other one, even. A 14-year-old is wearing a sweet honesty shirt. Don't let your babies grow up to be sweet honesties.
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For real. She's married to this dude. This dude, her husband, was dating her older sister beforehand.
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Look, it happens. Yes. Guilty. they break up these her little sister and her boyfriend get married and then the sister's
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living with them at the time what no like we all know where this is like we know wait is that are
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you just talking out an episode of game of thrones and saying saying it happened in fort worth never
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seen it no this is dallas i'm talking about dallas uh yeah right okay but no letter comes in the mail
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why is he checking his fucking mail the day after his wife gets fucking kidnapped
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you think he should have avoided that mailbox I mean why are you checking it he loves mail
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it's the only thing that made him feel better fucking catalogs postcards fair enough
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well he goes to his mailbox and he finds a letter from her supposedly from Rachel
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says I know I'm gonna catch it which is like the cutest phrase I've ever heard in my life
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like catch some shit I know I'm gonna catch it I'm going to catch it. I'm going to catch it.
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But we just had to get away. We're going to Houston. See you in about a week. The cars in Sears upper lot.
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Love, Rachel. Right? I know. So, like, he gets that letter. Her name is kind of misspelled.
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His name is written. Seriously. Da, da, da. Her first name is misspelled. Yeah, a little bit misspelled.
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No, it has. Look, I've done that so many times. It's like, K-A-S-T. What is it? I want to make fun of that, but recently my manager emailed me.
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He was like, hey, your name's spelled wrong and you're real. And I was like, what are you talking about?
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I looked at it and it said G-E-O-R-I-G-A. I fucking spelled my own goddamn name wrong.
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That was like, Giorga. Giorga. That's like, it's a buck in. And it's been like three years and I didn't notice it.
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So fair enough. Once you change it, you're going to get so many jobs. People have been like, I want to hire her for the million dollar thing.
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I can't find her. Her name's spelled wrong. There goes a million dollars. So it does happen.
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This isn't crazy. It happens. Let's be fair. Okay, so her husband was married to the Beagle Rock.
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Family thinks that the letter, they're like, that's not her handwriting. and she spelled her fucking name wrong.
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And in addition... To back that up. So the stamp had been stamped, you know, like cleared at the thing.
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At the post office. That morning. So someone sent that thing the night before or on the 24th of when it showed up,
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which I'm like, if you just kidnap three people randomly, you're not going to bother to let the family know
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You kidnap and you get straight to that correspondence. Yeah. Like, that's to throw people off.
00:27:54
Yeah. That's not like a serial killer who's, like, grabbing three people and doesn't give a shit, right?
00:27:59
No, that's like an anal retentive serial killer. That's like a leave us alone for a minute, right?
00:28:06
Serial killer. You mean can I have some privacy while I write my letters? Can I have some privacy while I...
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To sit at my secretary's desk and just write out with a feather pen? Like right after I kidnapped them though.
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You know what I mean? It's weird. I get it. All right. So people saw them that day
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because clearly she had a sweet honesty shirt on and like how are you going to miss that one?
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A 14-year-old and a... Like that sounds like a stripper name. Nothing. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with strippers.
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It's just a name. Just a name. It's quite... It's sweet and honest. So a woman...
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A woman tells a store clerk that she saw some men hustle the girls into a pickup truck,
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but police never located that witness. Another says that the girls had been spotted in a security patrol car.
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So in 1981, which was, let's do math, was just like so many years later. Six years later.
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Seven. Seven years later. a man, a man randomly comes around and he's like, hey, I saw a girl,
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I saw a man forcing them into a van that day. You fucking dick. Like, what the fuck?
00:29:20
Where were you? Where were you? Oh, in 81, I just like popped into my head that these fucking girls
00:29:25
were being forced into a van. He had so much stuff on his mind. Christmas. There was tons of littering back then.
00:29:33
But the guy in the van told him, he goes, hey, it's a family dispute. Don't worry about it.
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And that's why he never told it until he was, until 81. yeah I mean like can you eat I can't even well because you know it was like back then if your
00:29:45
family was fighting about something you could throw them in a van forcibly at the mall true
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it was done how many people out here have like seen that and just never told anyone about it and it was a family dispute okay your family yeah psychopaths anything I will call the police just if I see a van I don give a fuck
00:30:06
I don't care. I'd be like, it's clearly a bread truck. I don't care. Call 911. Karen does citizen's arrests all over town. All the time.
00:30:16
I'm exhausted. I won't even believe her now. Her brother says, Rachel's brother says that there's been sightings all over the Fort Worth
00:30:24
area. You know, it's one of those, like, they were white slaves. Like, people keep saying that.
00:30:30
Some of the sightings were, what happened? Someone doesn't like that. It doesn't matter.
00:30:36
No shit. Someone's mad about something we said. Okay. And they hired a private detective to look for it. He committed suicide in 1979.
00:30:46
When your fucking private detective commits suicide, like, come on. You're like, no, we're the ones that are mourning.
00:30:53
And he was like, he had a will that said, like, destroy my records when I die. They destroy the records.
00:31:00
Commit suicide, then fucking destroyed records. They're like, you know what? We're just going to sweep all this under the rug.
00:31:07
We think that's the way we're going to handle all of this. You know what we're going to do?
00:31:11
We're going to be of the 80s. Okay, so these fucking chicks are never found. So wait, sorry, now we're in the 80s?
00:31:19
We're that far ahead? No. 79 that happened. I said the 80s as like a thing. Sorry, sorry, sorry.
00:31:27
I'm not questioning you. I guess you are. It's our first fight here in Chicago. It's the place to do it.
00:31:34
Okay, so they were never found. Spoiler alert. I'm sorry, that sucks. It blows. But there's two suspects that I find very interesting.
00:31:42
So Mike D. Bardellin, Ben. Read that. Read that. Hold on, let me get my readers.
00:31:50
Mike DeBardel Eben What'd I say? It really is what it says That wasn't just you That was a copy and paste
00:32:02
So this dude gets arrested for passing counterfeit bills and then the cops found evidence of sex crimes
00:32:12
including him taking photos of him raping and murdering humans Yeah Thank you. Oh, you didn't know?
00:32:20
That's what the whole fucking podcast is about. Someone's like, wait, what? I thought you were going to talk out the story of the Wizard of Oz.
00:32:28
No. It's all this bad. The FBI profilers think that when the face is seen in the photo,
00:32:38
he kills them. When the face isn't seen, he allows them to live. It's like, come on, you fucking dick.
00:32:46
Okay, so here's the tie-in. is that he's a convicted kidnapper, rapist, counterfeiter,
00:32:51
and suspected serial killer, was the habit of passing counterfeit bills in shopping malls.
00:32:57
Mm-hmm. He was operating around Texas around that time and was known to impersonate security guards
00:33:06
and other positions of authority. Remember that chick was like, I saw a security guard driving them in his van.
00:33:11
Right? Because like who, what girl back then isn't going to like go with, oh my God, I'm a bell chicken,
00:33:16
go with the security guard. Do it into the microphone next time. We accept you. My mom is here.
00:33:21
Oh, that's right. Sorry. This is what you raised. Yeah, I mean, okay. So a guy comes over and he's like, did you see that?
00:33:32
Yeah, it was awesome. That's good podcasting right there. That's the kind of shit you can't see when you're listening.
00:33:39
Yeah, Saeed. Thank you. She's like the David Blaine of paper. okay so like back then you guys like i saw you shoplifting i'm gonna i'm a security guard and
00:33:51
you're like no i didn't and he's like come with me you know you make someone come with him yeah
00:33:55
you go it's like he has a blue shirt on with a belt and then you're like oh i guess you're in
00:33:59
charge i guess i have to fucking do whatever you say there's no stranger danger there's don't
00:34:04
fucking don't fucking talk back to authority that's what that was back then yes so you just
00:34:08
Get in the car. Yeah. Goodbye. Sweet honesty. Sweet honesty. She didn't understand.
00:34:17
It's actually, you should sweet kick him in the dick. That's what I'm sure I should have said.
00:34:22
You guys, pepper spray first and fucking apologize later. Right? These days, Georgia's favorite thing to say is,
00:34:30
should I pepper spray that guy? It's my, it makes me laugh so hard. I can't remember where we were, but you were just like,
00:34:35
do I need to pepper spray this guy? It's like, please don't. Not right now. Why not?
00:34:42
Just spray it around like room freshener. In your mouth, what is it called? Banaca?
00:34:50
Uh-uh. Let's do this. Okay. So he's known to impersonate security guards, not serial killers,
00:34:59
and other positions of authority. He lived within a half mile of Rachel, one of the girls who disappeared
00:35:04
at the time of the disappearance. And then I wrote, Fucked up. he earned the respect of the FBI profilers
00:35:10
because he never gave himself away in unguarded moments nor bragged about his exploits.
00:35:15
So the fucking FBI was like, good on him, but he never told anyone? Well, it was like a healthy respect for the enemy.
00:35:22
Because usually they brag. Yeah, but I don't respect them for not getting it out of this dude.
00:35:28
If their fucking killer is smarter, are we going to, should I not talk shit about the FBI?
00:35:32
I don't know. It's a sensitive time. Do it, someone yelled. You fucking do it. Listen, love those guys.
00:35:44
I'm just saying this dude was a serial killer. We're going to do a show at the FBI at Quantico next month.
00:35:50
The murder of our government. You guys. Okay the other dude who I think is just the fucking dude Lloyd Welch He a drifter and a hitchhiker Lord Lloyd Oh sorry That would be cool though
00:36:05
He's like a lord. Lord Welch. But in Texas. Lord of the bad manners. Because he...
00:36:13
The bad manners. That's what gets cut out, usually. Okay. He's recently been charged around that...
00:36:24
Oh, so recently around now, he's been charged with the murder of the Lion Sisters.
00:36:29
There's two girls. You're shaking your head, I can see it. Catherine, who is 10, and Sheila, who is 12,
00:36:34
disappears from a Maryland mall in 1975. Okay, his exact same M.O. M.O. At the time of his arrest...
00:36:41
Spells no. At the time of his arrest, he's serving a lengthy prison sentence in Delaware
00:36:46
for child sexual abuse. So he's a real fun guy. Like a prize. Yeah. Mom's proud.
00:36:52
Good stuff. So in December 2014, here's another fucking asshole. Welch's cousin tells detectives that he had helped Welch
00:37:01
so that they never found the Lion Sisters. They were like, you know, these girls got kidnapped from a mall.
00:37:07
Never found them. In 2014, Welch's cousin is like, well, one time I helped him with two heavy duffel bags in 1975.
00:37:14
Dude, it gets worse. They met at a property in Virginia. he said he helped to remove two army-style duffel bags
00:37:23
from Welch's vehicle. Each bag weighed about 60 or 70 pounds and smelled like death.
00:37:30
What the fuck? It was probably camping equipment. It gets musty. You know how when your cousins ask you
00:37:37
to help you burn or bury something and you're like, I'm just not asking questions.
00:37:41
I mean, look, we're all cousins. We have to be at Thanksgiving together. Just be chill.
00:37:46
It would be so awkward if I'm like, what's in these? And you're like, I don't want to tell you.
00:37:50
Oh, come on, don't unzip that. It's my murder duffel. He tells in 2014, and then, oh, and he said further,
00:38:00
the bags were covered in red stains. It's probably Kool-Aid. Was he blind and deaf?
00:38:08
And then in 2014, he came to all of that. Yeah, it all snapped back, miraculously.
00:38:14
And, okay, so Lloyd Welch happens to be, he happens to work at the time. he was like a drifter, but he worked for a traveling
00:38:21
carnival company. Guess where they set up all the time in the 70s? Inside a duffel bag?
00:38:30
No. Where? In malls. And he was in Austin, Texas until around 75. These carnivals set up in malls
00:38:42
from the mid-70s to 97. I'm just trying to picture a mall carnival, and it's like
00:38:47
Oh, honey. Bumming me out so bad. You know, your parents always, like, they were always like, those rides are going to kill you.
00:38:54
They also didn't say, those ride people are going to kill you. Yes. Right. Basically, everything over there is going to kill you.
00:39:00
Everything your mom, like, your parents told you to worry about, and you were like, you're being annoying.
00:39:05
No, they'll kill you. You're dead on. Yeah. Dead on. It's so annoying when your parents are right.
00:39:09
Yeah. So, in July 2015, Welch is indicted, charged with the girl's murder. His uncle is a person of interest.
00:39:18
Yeah. The duffel bag guy? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so here's another thing.
00:39:23
So he's in malls, blah, blah, blah. His longtime girlfriend at the time, dated for over 10 years,
00:39:29
were always on the road together, et cetera, et cetera. She was a security guard at a mall.
00:39:34
Oh, like for the real deal? Yeah. Borrowed her outfit. What's up? Stole those kids.
00:39:42
You know it. You know it, yeah. Oh, and then in 2001, a former Sears security guard and Fort Worth police officer gives a chilling account.
00:39:52
He says that he witnessed girls climb into a pickup truck of a young mall security guard and that they appeared to go with him willingly.
00:40:04
Goodbye. Thank you. Yeah. I mean that's just fucked yeah never found never found
00:40:18
and the other two girls that were murdered that was never prosecuted either but do we know
00:40:21
that the husband and sister weren't involved the brother thinks that the sister was involved
00:40:26
I'd like to bring all of Texas up on charges for this story there's kind no one's innocent
00:40:32
in this it seems like you wouldn't be wrong but also so wait somebody had the girlfriend
00:40:37
was a real security guard so they could have been borrowing badges and shit and stuff
00:40:42
to make it look real. Totally. Or maybe she was complicit? Complicit. Maybe she was complicit
00:40:46
and fucking was like, get in my car, girls. And they got in her car. You know? Yeah.
00:40:52
All right, so don't go to the mall. Don't talk to security guards. Don't. Don't wear your sweet honesty shirt
00:40:57
ever again. No sweet honesty anymore. Stop it. Don't do it. I have to say those cold cases
00:41:04
drive me crazy. I know, I love them. I know. That's your favorite. there's just no...
00:41:09
We should set up like a red phone on stage in case somebody finds out. It comes through.
00:41:16
Ring through and be like... Lloyd Welch. Oh my god, you guys! Oh good, you guys!
00:41:20
And then like the balloons drop and confetti comes down. And we all dance and dance.
00:41:28
Well, good one. That was a good one. Thank you. Clap for George's. Thank you. Where are you going?
00:41:36
What? Oh, I thought you were leaving. I was just giving you your time in the spotlight.
00:41:42
Oh, no. Woo! Okay, we are back. Georgia, do you have updates for this case? I have a couple updates.
00:41:52
One really important thing we need to talk about is that Sweet Honesty T We had no idea what it was I never forget that now though because I have Sweet Honesty merch in my house now that listeners have given us So Sweet Honesty was an Avon perfume
00:42:07
available from 1974 to 78. It was advertised as the innocence fragrance of first love to like
00:42:15
tweens, I think. So that's why she had that shirt on. I have multiple bottles that have been gifted
00:42:21
to me of Sweet Honesty. It stinks so bad, but it is so cool. And I just love that we have a
00:42:27
connection now to a vintage Avon perfume. I mean, and people having those memories,
00:42:33
because it's the kind of thing where like growing up at a certain amount of time,
00:42:36
your mom had this one product where you're like, oh my God, that triggers all these things.
00:42:40
Gina Tay, for sure. Oh my God. The first time I splashed Gina Tay on my legs, it burned so bad. I was like, what is happening? What was the perfume? I used to have my mom
00:42:51
When we'd spend every other weekend at my dad's house, you know, and I'd bring my pillow with me and I'd have my mom spray.
00:42:57
She had, it was Giorgio. She wore Giorgio perfume in the 80s. And I made her spray it on my pillow because I missed her so much so I could smell it while I was trying to fall asleep in my dad's apartment on a cot, on an army cot.
00:43:13
Thanks, dad. Sorry, dad. Okay. Back to the story, though. This one is like just has always stuck with me.
00:43:18
Obviously, you know, it's a cold case. and those are near and dear to my heart. It's been 50 years since Rachel, Renee, and Julie went missing
00:43:26
and the case remains unsolved. Their families have continued the search and received many leads over the years,
00:43:31
but nothing's panned out. In 2023, a woman came forward to Rachel's younger brother
00:43:36
and claimed that her dad forced her to write that original letter after they went missing.
00:43:42
And she believed he was responsible, her dad was responsible, but nothing came of it.
00:43:46
And the brother was like, I hear stories like this all the time. And Julie's brother, Terry Mosley, told Fox 7 that he believes that, quote, the only way the case will be solved is if the person that did it comes forward and can prove they did it.
00:44:01
Unless something like that happens, I don't think it'll ever be solved. Yeah. But I want to recommend a book.
00:44:06
So one of the suspects in the case is Lloyd Welch. And I actually not that long ago read a book about him because he was suspected and I think eventually tried for another missing girl's case.
00:44:19
It's called The Last Stone. a masterpiece of criminal interrogation by Mark Bowden.
00:44:24
And it's an excellent true crime read. I highly recommend it. And I think this guy is a really good suspect for this case.
00:44:31
It's just, he's an awful human being. The idea that he got tried for a different, similar crime.
00:44:37
Yeah. Two girls missing from a mall. Yeah. Just, yeah. Horrifying. All right. Well, my Fort Worth, Texas disappointment, location disappointment,
00:44:46
was luckily, I think, turned around because when you announced that you're going to do this
00:44:52
Chicago area story, the crowd fucking lost it. Right. Let's get into Karen's story about none other than John Wayne Gacy.
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I'm sorry to say that about your stool. Stand and deliver. I'm going to stand and stare at you.
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Stand and deliver. Well, I did a very pandery thing, and I picked a Chicago murderer.
00:47:00
You think you're better than me? What's that? I said you think you're better than me?
00:47:03
That's right. But also because there were so many choices. a lot of people love they love to talk about how like pacific northwest oh you have so many
00:47:14
murders in san francisco hello chicago you guys want to kill everybody chicago just doesn't brag about it that's right they're just low-key yeah like yeah well they're
00:47:26
just like yeah let's go have a beer i don't need to talk about that how are you doing more
00:47:31
importantly we don't need to talk about the torso murders how are you doing i've all killed no that's
00:47:37
not here no it's Cleveland anyway um so there was a lot lippy um there was a lot of choices
00:47:46
uh to choose from and there was a lot of favorites but I actually had to go with this is my original
00:47:52
the reason I got into reading serial killer books and watching true crime shows fucking John Wayne
00:48:00
and i know this because she accidentally told me in the hotel room it slipped out in the hotel room
00:48:10
well what was the context of that you were talking about how the the hotel concierge was like you had
00:48:16
to print out your notes and she was like if you like john wayne gacy you'll love this tour and
00:48:21
then i was like oh fuck yeah that's all i said nothing there was nothing else i don't know the
00:48:26
Yeah. But I'm about to hear them. You're about to hear them. And you may have heard me say this before,
00:48:32
but the first thing I ever saw about John Wayne Gacy, because if you know, he buried the bodies of teenage boys
00:48:40
that he murdered inside his house. And when the police arrested him, finally, and he was able to draw a diagram of his house,
00:48:51
and he knew where every single boy was in the house, and there were 27. of them. I bet the FBI didn't respect him after that. That's right.
00:49:00
They were like, oh, look at Braggy Bragerstein over there. Take it easy. So I saw, um, when I was like probably 12, I opened a book, uh, the perfect age for true crime,
00:49:17
uh, opened a book and they had drawn based on the diagram that John Wayne Gacy had drawn,
00:49:24
they had because he they just used um like long rectangles to show where the bodies were
00:49:29
and some artists had basically drawn body shapes like it almost looked like a chalk outline but
00:49:36
like body shapes in a house diagram so that's i like was oh childhood and you know joanie loves
00:49:43
chachi and fucking this and that and i look down at this thing and i'm like why are those boys
00:49:49
floating in those boxes. And then I read underneath it and it's like, you know, 27 bodies were buried inside this house.
00:49:58
And I was just like, okay, now I know that. And now I must know more. And I won't stop.
00:50:06
Adding that to Charlotte's Web and all the shit you already knew. That's right. Some pig.
00:50:15
So let's talk about fucking good old John. Also, the middle name Wayne is very common in serial killer
00:50:25
world, which I think is kind of great that he got in there. I don't know, but they named him John Wayne
00:50:32
Gacy because his mom loved John Wayne, the actor. Red flag. Right? Not a good sign that she
00:50:42
loved film. So, John Wayne Gacy He was born on March 17th, St. Patrick's Day, 1942, at Edgewater Hospital in Chicago, Illinois.
00:50:53
Anyone? Edgewater? Anyone else? You guys work there? Were you also born there with him?
00:51:02
He was the second of three children. He had an older sister and a younger sister.
00:51:06
And his father was a machinist who had been in World War I. And he was a very bad alcoholic.
00:51:15
so um the story was that his dad would come home from work and he would go down into the basement
00:51:22
and drink brandy which sounds classy um but they would have they would the mom would make dinner
00:51:29
and then they will all sit at the dinner table and wait for him to come upstairs and see how he felt
00:51:36
well i bet when he came up he was real happy and everyone was like we can finally talk about
00:51:40
brandy well no oh god instead normally he would come up drunk and very angry and he would beat
00:51:49
them with a strap um for dinner so uh i'm good tonight i'm strap i'm so full of strap from last
00:51:58
night dad you can give it to her though if you want she's real hungry for a strap and part of
00:52:07
what they say they think what fueled his rage is that john was basically a mama's boy and he liked
00:52:13
that you know the father was into fishing and hunting and man man man and john liked to cook
00:52:19
and he liked to be in the kitchen with his mom he liked planting flowers in the garden things that
00:52:25
in like the late 40s apparently brought deep shame upon you and your ancestors and were unacceptable
00:52:31
and made you drink brandy and beat children. So... Sounds like the norm back then, though, you know?
00:52:38
Yeah, I think it is. It's like everybody has to fit into their box, and if you don't, I'm going to punch you in the face
00:52:44
even though you're eight. All right. And then I wrote down there, toxic masculinity ruins the party again.
00:52:57
Can't wait to see that meme. then when um when john was nine he was molested by a family friend and then when he was 11 he was
00:53:07
hit in the head with a baseball bat what with a swing with a swing exactly like richard ramirez
00:53:16
with a swing yes you know if i was like he got to nine he was so fucking close to like not getting
00:53:22
molested like you're so close yeah and then some fucking shitty neighbor like your dad's
00:53:28
fucking work friend comes along. So close to getting, and then a fucking swing. Yeah.
00:53:34
Then that swing. Were they not in a metal back then? They probably were made out of like
00:53:39
seven pounds of metal. They're like, this will really center this swing nicely. And it's lead.
00:53:46
So if you lick it, you're going to die. So, but he also had a bad heart. So he was prone to fainting spells which didn help with the whole also gardening and cooking thing I saying he just like taking five every once in a while
00:54:07
Type of stuff. And the so we just felt like he's all fucked up. Then to add to the household tension, John had a secret fetish for women's underwear.
00:54:23
so he would steal his mother's silk panties and put them hold on in a bag in the and in a brown
00:54:33
bag in the back of the closet and he would that's that was his like panty stash mommy's panty stash
00:54:40
that said he just stashed them he's well i'm i mean who am i to say that he masturbated all over
00:54:46
them um that's what i was looking for that's hearsay yes because i'm i have a fetish for
00:54:54
panties i i buy a bunch of them and i wear them as underwear not the same you know victoria's
00:54:59
whatever you buy a bunch of them and then stick them in a brown bag and tuck them into the back
00:55:03
of your no i don't i don't do that and then i kill people yeah so he he told one of his friends that
00:55:10
he he had them he showed them to a friend of his and then said he wanted he wished he could know
00:55:16
what he looked like as a woman. Oh, never trust anyone. So then his sister found that brown bag in the closet.
00:55:23
She told the mom. And the mom was like, oh, Johnny's always had a fetish for panties.
00:55:29
So she was quite progressive, actually. Which is very nice to hear. Yeah. But not helpful in any way.
00:55:38
So. Okay, so when he, So he had a hard time in school. He wasn't popular. He fainted a lot.
00:55:49
He was always thinking about those underwear. And then when he was 19, he never graduated from high school.
00:55:55
He went to four different high schools around the greater metropolitan area. And then he never graduated.
00:56:02
And when he was 19, he just left town. He moved to Las Vegas without telling his family.
00:56:07
That sounds like what you're supposed to do when you live in the Midwest. That's right.
00:56:11
Bye. no I mean like get out of your small town I don't mean not you guys they just all come rushing to
00:56:16
the stage yeah don't worry they'll fall into the orchestra pit we're totally safe
00:56:22
so here's the thing so he gets a job in Las Vegas and like I was thinking about this like the first
00:56:32
job you get out of high school it's usually based on the thing you kind of like the most or the thing
00:56:36
that you're into. So like I worked at a yogurt shop because I fucking love eating so much.
00:56:42
I worked at a bakery. Did you? Yeah. And well, John became a janitor at a mortuary.
00:56:48
Yeah. Because it was his passion. Oh dear. The dead. And he actually later admitted to the police
00:56:55
that when he worked there one night, he, that's right. No, no. He got into a coffin with the body of a dead boy
00:57:05
and fondled it. It gets so much worse. There's 47 pages right here. A lot of this is my poetry I'm going to read later.
00:57:27
All right. His parents actually hire a private investigator to find him. And they find him in Vegas.
00:57:34
My parents wouldn't do that. I know, right? and be like, well, good luck. I mean, if you've got to be in Vegas fondling dead bodies,
00:57:42
then live your dreams. He came back to Chicago, and he went to business college,
00:57:50
and it turned out he's a born salesman because he is a psychopath, right? We're learning as we talk on this podcast
00:57:59
all about terminology and what it actually means as opposed to what I think it means and say it means
00:58:05
to a whole shitload of people. And then people, we didn't know, we're learning that people believe us when we say shit.
00:58:13
Yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah. So I think we've taught like psychosis. I've mixed up psychosis and psychopath.
00:58:22
I had the thing where I told people that 25% of the population were sociopaths. People do not like that.
00:58:29
And then in corrections corner, she said that it was only one quarter. Yes. Yeah.
00:58:34
I fixed it. Okay. I didn't fucking question. Everything's fine. You know anyone can do a podcast, right?
00:58:41
Anybody. Yeah, anyone gets a podcast. Fucking anyone. It's true. So, but for this, I looked it up because clearly we know that these major players are usually psychopaths.
00:58:52
And their thing is that they're very ambitious. It's like they just want to get ahead.
00:58:57
They're very, very charming, which apparently John Wayne Gacy was very charming and like had the gift of gab.
00:59:02
He just made people feel very comfortable. And then he had an insatiable sexual appetite.
00:59:10
So he was kind of always doing things so that he could... Those all sound so time-consuming.
00:59:17
It makes me want to take a nap. Yeah, he had to take vitamins and just really make sure you got enough water and stuff.
00:59:24
You know what's great is taking a nap with a cat. I don't know. You don't need to be super sexual or talky or fucking cool.
00:59:31
You just relax. You just go to sleep. Yeah. Well, not John, as far as I know. I mean, good for him, kind of.
00:59:36
What if he was like a crazy cat lady? He's like, oh my God, I have like 12 cats.
00:59:40
I love it. He worked at the Nunn Bush Shoe Company here in Chicago. Anyone? No. Oh, Karen.
00:59:54
Did they shut it down Stephen can we edit that out Stephen can we turn that part up Where no one supported me
01:00:05
He was very good at it, and he ended up getting transferred to Springfield, Illinois.
01:00:10
Big time. Are you representing from Springfield? You moved the fuck out of there, right?
01:00:17
I was fucking right. And he joined a group called the Jaycees. you can cheer for it now I just don't believe
01:00:26
that you're actually behind you the John Gacy's? they're all John Gacy's? no the JC's
01:00:32
that's JG's sorry mom this is your fault Jesus the JC's from what I can gather which there is almost no information
01:00:44
I think they might be the Illuminati because it just is a website a weird blue website that's like
01:00:51
we're a non-profit organization help for the city and it's like what but why and based on who and like there's no answers
01:00:57
just young people in jackets that are like the jc's so he was in the jc's and he made a lot of
01:01:05
like contacts and like you know i guess made friends or whatever very active and that's when
01:01:10
you hear about john wayne gacy that he was like um you know he lived this crazy double life because
01:01:15
he was all successful and you know was in parades and shit well i think it was like it was based in
01:01:20
the jc's that's how it started and uh he was uh so on in february 1964 he meets a shy bookkeeper
01:01:31
um and a year later he marries her and she has a very wealthy family it turns out he it's an
01:01:38
incredibly beneficial marriage to him i want to say a shy bookkeeper as to what bookkeepers are
01:01:43
usually like which is fucking out of control yeah a lot of theater students become bookkeepers
01:01:49
and then so she's wealthy yeah and so he's like that's so weird i'm in love with you
01:01:55
um what a what a great coincidence so later that year so they get married in uh oh no sorry they
01:02:04
meet in february of 64 they get married soon after and then later that year oh this is this
01:02:11
is mathematically impossible shit later it's i have later that same year while his wife is in the
01:02:17
hospital giving birth to their first child, but I'm pretty sure no. But he could have knocked her up before.
01:02:23
Ooh, girl. John, you dog. Basically, she gets pregnant with their first child. She's in
01:02:35
the hospital giving birth. You know, back then, I was like, men didn't have to be in the delivery room.
01:02:39
They weren't, you know, they were smoking cigarettes. Women didn't even have to be there. They just, like, knocked you the fuck out.
01:02:43
That's right. You're like, bye. Baby. Let me know when the baby comes. well he actually was at a bar around the corner with one of his co-workers who he ended up fucking
01:02:52
that night while his wife was giving birth wakes up in the apartment the next day gets dressed goes
01:02:58
to the hospital and holds his newborn son uh yeah so this is the beginning of his double life and
01:03:05
uh then in 1966 his father-in-law says if you move to waterloo iowa i will I will kill you
01:03:17
from the audience she's just scared because she was thinking about something that happened earlier
01:03:25
there was a spider on her seat the father-in-law says if you move to Waterloo, Iowa
01:03:33
you can have three Kentucky Fried Chicken restaurants oh my god am I right? with the fucking Waterloo chicken?
01:03:41
I would do that so he goes there to manage these he's 24 holy shit and the funniest thing is we watch these
01:03:49
i mean there's a million uh uh what do you call documentaries about him he always looks 53 yeah
01:03:55
like from from fucking jump when there's pictures of him as a boy you're like is that the oldest boy
01:04:01
in america he's just at the kentucky fried chickens they say he's like a good manager and he does very well in the job but he makes
01:04:14
his employees call him the colonel what a fucking nerd can you believe if if he's if i was standing there with my dumb apron on like
01:04:26
working kentucky fried chicken he's like i'm your new manager but you gotta call me the colonel i'd
01:04:30
be like see you fucking later colonel i don't work here anymore but you know he thinks it's like fun
01:04:35
I'm like, you can call me this, but every time you don't, he's like, call me this.
01:04:38
I said call me this. And she comes home from a hard day of work, and she's like, my 24-year-old fucking boss.
01:04:44
I'm 53. I just spit. He keeps telling me to call him the fucking colonel. He also loves boys.
01:04:53
Yeah, so he quickly becomes a well-liked member of the community. That's what he does, what he's good at.
01:04:59
He joins the Jaycees in Waterloo. They're everywhere. Now you're going to see them everywhere.
01:05:05
it eventually turns into Scientology and they said he became the most valuable member
01:05:15
of the Jaycees because he got put in charge, he's the chairman of the membership drive and what he
01:05:21
would do to get people to join the Jaycees would have them meet in a motel room and show
01:05:27
stag movies and bring prostitutes and have orgies. That sounds amazing and then people would be like sure I'll join the fucking
01:05:33
Jaycees, let's do this Yeah, like, what did it take to become the most valuable member back then?
01:05:39
Just, like, some money for prostitutes. Oh, fucking sex workers, sorry. Back then, I think they were prostitutes.
01:05:47
Historical. So, oh, then his sister in one of these documentaries talks about, she finds out when they go visit them one time that him and his wife swap partners Like that they what is that called Swingers They swingers Like Vince Vaughn and his friend
01:06:06
We don't even know what that means. And we're, like, kind of proud of it. He tells his sister when they're visiting.
01:06:12
I was like, yeah, we're going to go to this party tonight, but we might go home with other people.
01:06:15
I was like, okay. You know you're both gross, right? You know I know about the underwear and the bag, right?
01:06:23
Yeah. And then he's voted the J.C.'s man of the year. Call me Colonel. So then when he's in Waterloo, he ends up, his wife goes out of town.
01:06:37
He invites the 15-year-old son of a fellow J.C. and a state senator over to the house to watch a stag film and get drunk.
01:06:47
And he molests this boy. No shit. And then he told him, you can't tell on me because I have ties to the mafia in Chicago.
01:06:56
Here's 50 bucks. Keep your mouth shut. And it works for a little while. It works for long enough so that he molests the second boy.
01:07:05
And then finally, one boy breaks and then the other one does. And he gets arrested and he gets sent to prison.
01:07:13
Probation? For 10 years. Okay. The prison psychiatrist recommends that he not be released ever as he was a sexual sadist and could never be rehabilitated.
01:07:26
But he was so well behaved that he served 18 months. Oh! Yay! Fucking fuck, man.
01:07:35
Oh! His wife divorces him. the swinging thing was one thing but what the fuck so he goes back to chicago while he's in jail
01:07:48
his father dies has a heart attack and dies and he's convinced it's because of what he did
01:07:55
which is probably true um so he goes and moves in his mother helps him buy a house and they move
01:08:03
in together and he's like trying to you know make good on all of his bad behavior um so they buy a
01:08:09
house at 8213 West Somerdale Avenue in the Norwood Park. Anyone live there at that house?
01:08:17
But for real, though, you can't cheer if you don't actually live there. And we're all
01:08:23
going there right now. And then in June of 1971, he starts his infamous contracting company
01:08:31
business, I should say, called PDM, which stands for Painting, Decorating, and Maintenance.
01:08:36
What does it really stand for? Pedophile penis Karen it stands for penis but he put DM after
01:08:44
just to throw people off and here's the thing he basically only hires teenage boys
01:08:55
to work for him and when anybody asks him about it he's like they're more reliable than grown men
01:09:03
teenage boys in the 70s alright okay there's like literal movies made about teenage boys in the 70s being unreliable
01:09:13
being unreliable so okay so in january of 1972 when he is 29 61 um he picks up uh he's single now so he doesn't have to no one's checking on him i don't think his
01:09:30
mother's really paying attention. Party! So one night he goes to the Greyhound bus station and he
01:09:36
picks up a teenage runaway named Tim McCoy and he takes him back to his house where they party.
01:09:42
They have sex. They believe that part was consensual but then Gacy grabs a kitchen knife and
01:09:50
stabs him to death. So this is his first kill and he's also the first body that's buried in the crawl space.
01:09:59
and because he was a runaway no one ever knew the boy was missing so the cops were never alerted
01:10:05
poor baby so then the next line is then he remarries a woman named Carol it's very easy for him to date
01:10:16
for some reason it's so funny how much more of these people have their shit together
01:10:19
than you and I you mean me, you're married no, I mean us I'm married by the string of my teeth
01:10:27
what do they say? I mean, it was a friend of his sister's from high school. And the sister, again, in a documentary is like,
01:10:38
I mean, I didn't really see, you know, them together, but, you know, they seem happy.
01:10:43
And it's just like, oh, all right. So basically he's just using her as body armor
01:10:49
and then just, like, going about his day. So in 1975 is when he starts dressing up infamously
01:10:57
as Pogo the Clown. Now, everybody's seen the pictures, but if you haven't, if you're from Norway or whatever.
01:11:06
Has anyone? They don't do that. He dressed up as a clown, but he did the makeup.
01:11:17
There's like a rule in clown makeup where everything has to be rounded. Everything's circular and rounded and like fun because you're staring into the face of children.
01:11:26
and Pogo the Clown and John Wayne Gacy. They like round shit. They love round shit.
01:11:32
Donuts and cookies and fucking clown eyes. But John Wayne Gacy's clown makeup is pointy, pointy, pointy.
01:11:41
It's the scariest thing. It's truly like a clown nightmare. Illuminati, Illuminati, right?
01:11:48
Fucking death trap. Light swastika on the forehead. So bad. Okay, so in 76, after three years of marriage,
01:11:55
his wife leaves him. Just because. You know, she just didn't feel like it anymore. I'm just not feeling it.
01:12:02
So there's this story and this guy, Tony Antonucci, tells the story in one of the documentaries. He was
01:12:07
16 at the time. He was working at the contracting company. John Wayne Gacy invites him over because this was the
01:12:13
thing. It would be like, come up to my house and let's smoke a joint and we'll have a couple drinks and we'll hang out.
01:12:17
And then when the teenage boys would get there, he would be... So this guy was a high school
01:12:22
wrestler. So John Wayne Gacy's like, oh, come on, Mr. Wrestler, show me your wrestling moves.
01:12:26
And the guy's like, okay. That's such a thing. Yes. It's a real thing. Yeah, because then you're high and then you're like,
01:12:34
well, I'm not going to say no to my boss who wants me to wrestle with them. Yeah, and then suddenly you're...
01:12:38
You can, though. Just know that. You guys. You can literally just put the joint down and be like,
01:12:45
I'll see you tomorrow. You don't need to drink with older people. I don't know. My parents are older than me and I drink with them.
01:12:54
It's fine. Something about, you know, there's something deep there. There's something in there.
01:12:57
No, we're going to dig around in that. Just go with it. For sure. You don't need to drink with older people.
01:13:05
Just pepper spray everyone. So basically, he challenges them to a wrestling match.
01:13:14
And while they're wrestling, he throws a handcuff on one of Tony's wrists. And he tries to get the other wrist handcuffed.
01:13:24
And he's fighting him and fighting him. And then he thinks he gets him. so Gacy leaves the room
01:13:30
and then Tony, what had happened is he fought him so much that the handcuff was only clicked to like the first thing
01:13:36
so he was able to pull his hand out of the handcuff but then when Gacy walked back in the room he kept his hand
01:13:42
back in his back so it still looked like he was handcuffed and so when Gacy came over to him he fucking took him
01:13:48
down, he did like a wrestling move, took him down to the ground and Gacy goes, oh you passed the test
01:13:54
so then Tony's like oh okay and then he just kept working for him oh yeah i wanted that to end better um
01:14:05
i mean he's he was alive to tell the story so that's good it's true but it was that thing where
01:14:10
he was like you know it's it's your boss and you just you want it was a good job they were probably
01:14:15
making you know a good amount of money and it's such a weird story that there's no way to explain
01:14:19
it to someone and and sound like now you'd be like this thing happened and that would be a
01:14:24
classic assault but now but then it was just like he's just goofing around yeah you know we got high
01:14:31
in that thing where your boss wrestles you and handcuffs you didn't you work at the gap that
01:14:37
happened to you once at the gap right yes it happens all the time it's normal um all right
01:14:42
so basically this is this is his it turns out that this becomes gacy's mo it's either that
01:14:48
handcuff trick or the magic rope trick the magic rope trick was he would say oh i'm going to show
01:14:53
you this magic rope trick and it was all around the fact that he was pogo the clown so he's like
01:14:57
like i'm a clown i have these tricks i'm gonna show you the tricks so it's such a nightmare
01:15:02
you're like kind of high like okay yeah like even just the clown stuff i'd be like i'm sorry i just
01:15:11
had an emergency call i have to leave like they didn't have phones back then that's right they
01:15:15
couldn't they just had to sit there in their down vest being like cool man yeah um the fucking rope
01:15:22
trick the magic rope trick is they stand there and he goes so this is what i do and then he would
01:15:26
just throw a rope around their neck and fucking strangle them that was the magic rope trick so
01:15:31
it was quick and bad oh god so the problem was that he hired these boys and a lot of them are
01:15:38
written off as runaways when they would disappear um and oftentimes it would come to him so they'd
01:15:45
be like oh he worked for you have you seen him lately and tony antonucci tells in one of those
01:15:49
stories he said he was supposed to meet um this boy john zick and john zick never showed up for
01:15:57
the job they were supposed to go do together and then gacy came up and goes he called me and he
01:16:04
said that he went to um uh cabo san lucas yep yeah because that's where you go when you're a teenager
01:16:11
when you're a teenager yourself i'm just gonna go i'm gonna quick seize i just need to go down to
01:16:16
to the Mexican Riviera for a while. Yeah. I'm going to go. I just need to take it easy.
01:16:21
Goodbye. So, so at this point, oh, and also around this time, Gacy also put red lights in his car and would,
01:16:29
when he would see a target, he would pull them over and say that he was an undercover cop and that he was,
01:16:35
um, had to bring them in. He would handcuff them and then he would have them. Never pull your car over when you're getting followed by a cop.
01:16:43
Tell them I, tell them I said that. And when the cop comes to your window, you should pepper spray him in the eye.
01:16:50
Yes. Which is also the thing that Hillside Stranglers did. They posed as cops and pulled women over
01:17:00
and would be like, you have a bunch of tickets, get into our car. Which is why you actually, I mean,
01:17:04
I'm not fucking bullshitting now, you do want to pull over in a well-populated area.
01:17:07
You don't want to, if some cop is stopping you on a fucking deserted road, you're fucking getting off on the next stop
01:17:14
and parking in a McDonald's. You know what you're doing? You're high speed chasing it.
01:17:18
Bye. To a ball of some kind. Tell them your mother sent you. Karen in Georgia. So around this time, at this point, he's been getting away with murder for six years.
01:17:29
Jesus. At the end of 1977, he'd killed 19 boys. Fuck. And by 1978, he was committing a murder every two to three weeks.
01:17:38
Holy shit. Your town. I can't even vacuum every two to three weeks. She's just...
01:17:46
There's so much dog hair on all my clothes at all times. Totally, me too. I can't.
01:17:50
The only reason we don't have it is because we packed these. I bought this here.
01:17:55
All right so his last victim this was in December 1978 and it was 15 Robert Peast and he worked part at a drugstore in Des Plains
01:18:05
Des Plains. Des Plains? Des Plains? Des Plains? It doesn't matter. so his mom this uh robert peace mom is in the parking lot to pick him up when his shift is over
01:18:23
but he goes hold on a second i met this guy who has a better job for me and it's it's a really
01:18:28
good paying job i'll be right back and he never comes back they go out into the parking lot after
01:18:34
15 minutes and he's nowhere to be seen but here's the thing and this is where if you've ever seen
01:18:39
there's a movie where Brian Denny, he plays John Wayne Gacy. And you have to see it.
01:18:44
It's so crazy. Because he was crazy drunk and on pills. So by this point, he's been doing it
01:18:49
and getting away with it for so long. He's like sloppy as hell. He thinks no one's ever going to catch him.
01:18:54
And he's just really sloppy. So the people in this drugstore knew who John Wayne Gacy was.
01:19:00
The guy who always offers kids jobs, probably. Exactly. Pogo the Clown's here again.
01:19:06
It's that guy who wears a sweet honesty t-shirt. I brought it back around yeah it's called a bring it back around
01:19:14
so anyway they file a missing persons report he is not a runaway they can't blame it on any of that shit
01:19:21
this boy was an eagle scout loving family so the cops they trace it back to Gacy
01:19:30
the cops go to his house to question him at 3.30 in the morning when they finally trace it back
01:19:35
and he's super pissy he's like really bitchy to the cops I would be. Oh, no, I'm sorry.
01:19:40
They go to his house like at night, normal time, and he's really bitching. He's like, I will come down to the station.
01:19:47
I'll come down to talk to you. He shows up at 3.30 in the morning at the police station covered in mud.
01:19:54
So they're like, could you take a seat in here, please? We just have a couple questions to ask you.
01:20:01
What the fuck? And they finally do a background check and see that he was convicted for sodomy in Iowa,
01:20:09
and they're finally like, I think we've got the guy. Yeah, but can I just say that sodomy is a bullshit charge
01:20:17
because they didn't give him the... You guys... Never mind. What? It's just a thing where they didn't want to charge him
01:20:24
with child molestation or give him a real fucking charge. They gave him 18 months because they gave him sodomy instead,
01:20:29
which, like, anyone could get sodomy. That's not what I mean. that's right that's right and if you're not comfortable with that maybe it's your problem
01:20:43
yeah they detain him at the police station i mean i don't know what to say okay they detain him at the police station
01:20:57
they go and search gacy's home and they find a trap door that leads down to the crawl space
01:21:06
and then a cop crawls down into the crawl space and they're like there sure is a lot of lime down
01:21:13
here and they just come back up they didn't find anything they came yeah yeah someone said no no
01:21:23
there's more on this paper i swear to god so what they do find is a bunch of jewelry that does not
01:21:29
belong to him and one of the things that they found was a class ring with the initials jc inside
01:21:34
it and they trace that ring back to john zick his last name is spelled so insanely it's c z y s
01:21:43
z k or something like that i just wrote it z i c k because i couldn't deal um but they basically see they trace the ring they get john's name they go to the zik home and they
01:21:57
say the mother tells them he's been missing since january 20th 1977 and they're like ding ding ding
01:22:03
here we go this is our guy um so then they start they stake him out and they have to get they have
01:22:09
to get a search warrant for his house uh so while they're waiting they put the surveillance team
01:22:14
on his house and gacy is doing things like leading them on long uh medium speed chases till dawn
01:22:23
or like he doesn't even know anyone's following him no no he does he's doing it on purpose or he's
01:22:29
like buying them dinner like that they're out there you know like trying to order food or
01:22:33
whatever and then he just picks up the tab like he's fucking around like he's there's he can't
01:22:38
ever get caught. But they get a second search warrant. And that's when, oh, no, sorry, he
01:22:46
invited them in for a fish dinner. And while the two cops were inside, one of them said,
01:22:53
could I use your restroom? And when the cop goes into the restroom, he, they said it was
01:22:58
around Christmas time, so the heater was on. And the cop walked into the bathroom. I keep
01:23:03
saying restroom, but it's a home. He goes into the bathroom and smells death. And he's like,
01:23:11
this. What? Did you hear that? What? I just heard a ghost. He like the heater, the heating vent came on. That's when we found out Karen was
01:23:24
out of her mind. Totally insane. The heater vent came on, the air came out, and it was the smell of death. And he knew
01:23:34
that they had to search this house, basically. So, essentially, bleep, bleep, bleep.
01:23:44
Sorry. How they finally got him was he had driven to a gas station and dropped off a bag
01:23:50
of pot to somebody. So they got him on this really dumb charge but they were able to hold him at the police station They got the second warrant They go into the house They go into the crawl space And after 15 minutes because they just didn take enough time the first time After 15 minutes they like
01:24:05
we have three bodies down here. And then it's on like Donkey Kong. And eventually they find in that crawl space
01:24:15
27 bodies of young men and boys. I feel so bad for those cops that had to dig all that shit up.
01:24:24
it's so, even just the old footage is so upsetting looking. I haven't seen it. Yeah, you have to look at it.
01:24:31
Was his mom just playing solitaire the whole time or something? No, she died at some point.
01:24:36
I almost said... She's like, what's that, Johnny? I didn't hear you come in. No, I don't want to do the handcuff trick again.
01:24:43
I don't want to. You know, you did that to me. I fell for it. Here are my undies.
01:24:52
So there's 27 bodies in the house and then he admits that there are also six he dumped in the river,
01:24:58
and that's when he was covered in mud at the police station. He had just dumped Robert Peast's body.
01:25:03
He basically dumped it and went straight to the police station. He stands trial in February of 1980.
01:25:09
He never shows an ounce of remorse. They put the victim's family members and friends on the stand
01:25:15
so everybody sees all of these boys and all of their family and all the people that were affected.
01:25:20
and in three hours the jury finds him guilty on all counts he's sentenced to death
01:25:27
and after 14 years of appeals he's put to death on may 10th 1994 his last words were kiss my ass
01:25:34
oh he's a good guy and his last meal was kentucky fried chicken that's right that's cool i mean no it's awful that's i don't know i kind of like it i know um and then they
01:25:50
destroyed that house which i when i first saw the footage of that they like pulled the whole
01:25:55
fucking thing down and then i was like that's a bit dramatic and then i was like what am i talking
01:26:00
about like that what real estate could sell real estate agent could sell that fucking house i like
01:26:05
that killing 27 people isn't dramatic but them tearing the house down tearing the house i was
01:26:10
like stop it you guys you're being nuts you're being uh what's the word dramatic yes and that's
01:26:18
John Wayne Gacy, good job, Chicago. Yeah. Thank you. Thanks. Okay, we're back. Karen, any other info from this excellent story?
01:26:36
Let's see. John Wayne Gacy's attorney, a man named Sam Amarante, said that working with him inspired him to write legislation
01:26:44
requiring police to immediately begin searches for missing children rather than waiting 72 hours.
01:26:51
That has since evolved into what we now commonly know as the Amber Alert. Can you imagine?
01:26:56
It was called the child abduction emergency alert, like as if there wouldn't have been an emergency.
01:27:02
Right. A child abduction and the emergency isn't just a given. That's not the assumption.
01:27:06
Well, look, it was a time where it was so common to just be like, oh, your child rode away on a bike for a while.
01:27:12
They'll be back. It's like, what are you talking about? So that is really nice. Also, it's a very fun and funny thing.
01:27:19
You know, when I said toxic masculinity ruins the party again in this. Oh, is that when you said it?
01:27:24
This is the one I said it. Yeah. My God. Epic. And it was like I'd seen people talking about toxic masculinity on Twitter a lot.
01:27:32
But when people like afterwards, there were people I would imagine some sort of kind of
01:27:36
incel-y energy type people who are very upset about it, where it's like masculinity is not
01:27:42
this is good masculinity or whatever. The whole thing is like, excuse me. I was talking about John Wayne Gacy's alcoholic, abusive father.
01:27:50
So if you're going to defend that guy, then there's something wrong with your brain that
01:27:55
fully qualifies as toxic masculinity. Right. And the word toxic is there. So you don't have to then argue that not all masculinity is toxic because we really just
01:28:03
said the specific kind of masculinity we're talking about. You don't need to caveat it.
01:28:09
But also, you're okay. It's okay. Are you? It's going to be okay. Is it? You're fine. Go fucking lift some barbells and prove the positive masculinity is everywhere around us. Be the example everyone is looking for.
01:28:26
Please. Come on. Okay. Sorry. And then just I have a minor correction for this. I spelled out victim John Zick's name, talking about his initials on his class ring. But the spelling should have been S-Z-Y-K. I had a completely incorrect spelling. So my apologies to that. And it's S-Z-Y-K.
01:28:47
Got it. Oh, and so this was our first like true live show, like large audience hometown. So here's the hometown that we got from Ashley at the live show.
01:28:57
Yeah, we might have time for one hometown murder. Is there a way to turn the lights on for one second?
01:29:07
You have to jump over the orchestra pit, though, if you're going to do it. Does anyone have a hometown that's really good, though?
01:29:15
If someone's pointing at you, okay. Okay. Okay. How do we... We should have thought this through.
01:29:26
Can she walk over and around really quick? Yeah. No, they're like, we hate you. There's someone standing over there.
01:29:32
Someone must be in charge. Who's in charge that could help us? We're not. Does someone work here?
01:29:39
Uh-oh. Here she comes. What's her name? Ashley. Hi. How are you? You too. How's it going?
01:29:50
Good. Good. That's Georgia. Yeah? Just sit right here Oh we happy to be here No sit on it Do it Don fall Yeah Let just see how you do It really is wobbly It fucked up right Yeah it really wobbly This was you sat on this for an hour
01:30:06
Yes. And it's slippery, too. And I have these weird boots on. Yeah, that's impressive.
01:30:12
Okay, tell, what's your hometown? Where are you from? So, I am from about an hour outside of the city, DeKalb, Illinois.
01:30:18
Anybody in IU? Whoa. Yeah, so there's a big college out there. Tony Keller. I know him. Oh, I know. Yes. That's another really good one.
01:30:31
Tony Keller, if you ever get a chance to look that up, that's a really good one.
01:30:34
Oh, I thought you were talking about like someone you went to school with. Yeah, I did too.
01:30:36
Don't talk about Tony right now. He's a murderer, I bet. So I'm not going to take full credit because this is actually my boyfriend's hometown murder. He's a local in the area.
01:30:45
We'll take it. And he told this story to me on one of our first dates and I was really fascinated by it.
01:30:51
That's a keeper. You are so lucky. Like, are you taking notes? So he lived in a really small town, actually outside DeKalb, a small farming town.
01:31:01
And he worked in a gas station when he was in high school. And there was a guy who would come to the gas station every day.
01:31:07
And every day he would buy a pack of cigarettes and a 30-rack of beer. And he was approximately 300 pounds.
01:31:13
So, you know, living the dream. Yes. Yeah. The town kind of noticed that he went missing,
01:31:20
and they filed a missing persons report about a couple weeks after he went missing.
01:31:25
He was a cook at this restaurant slash motel that was, it's on Highway 47, if anybody knows that.
01:31:33
Bad news, bad news. It's like in the middle of nowhere. Motel on a highway? No way.
01:31:38
Yeah, so it was called the Bohemia, and the owner of the restaurant was a guy, he owned the restaurant and he hired this guy as a cook
01:31:49
and the guy also lived in the motel. So after a couple weeks, police are searching for this guy.
01:31:56
Somebody calls in a tip and says, hey, I actually was helping my friend the other day.
01:32:01
He owns the Bohemia restaurant. He had some extra money laying around so he decided he wanted to bury it in the cornfields.
01:32:07
So he asked me if I'd come out and help dig some holes for him. Which is totally logical.
01:32:13
This guy's like, you know, I was thinking about it. Yeah. How many duffel bags were involved in this?
01:32:19
Well, so he tells the police where they buried it, or they buried the money. And the police go out there, dig up the holes, and spoiler, it was not money.
01:32:30
No. No. In the hole, they found two garbage bags. One was the head of this man, the cook, the 300-pound cook.
01:32:40
And the other bag was his torso. Ooh. So they did an autopsy. They found out. I mean, it's sad.
01:32:50
Obviously, he was murdered. But he was kind of on the verge of death. He actually, they ruled that it was a heart attack because his heart stopped.
01:32:58
Because his head was removed? Probably. But actually, that came up where they weren't almost going to press charges.
01:33:06
Because technically, all they had was the torso and the head. Um, watch the carbs, everybody. Yeah. He also has cirrhosis of the liver and emphysema,
01:33:17
which I was going to say eczema, but my friend corrected me in the car and she's like, no,
01:33:21
you wouldn't die from that. He probably had that too. Yeah. So, um, they ended up pressing or
01:33:27
indicting, uh, the owner of this restaurant, the Bohemia and come to find out, um, he was murdered
01:33:33
in the kitchen where he was a cook. Um, I hate the reason why he was murdered. It was over a bad
01:33:38
drug deal, which I'm just going to know. But what happened after is just, like, amazing.
01:33:44
So, the thing was is, like, he wanted I guess he didn't come up with this plan right away because, obviously,
01:33:52
he couldn't move the 300-pound man. Decided to cut him up. Didn't know what to do with him at first. The whole
01:33:58
digging a hole in the cornfield didn't come to him. So, he decided to store the body parts
01:34:02
in the motel room fridges. The refrigerators. And they were able to collect evidence because there was his DNA in the fridge. The little ones? I mean, I don't know how big they
01:34:14
were. Probably. It probably had like peanuts and candy, you know. Yeah. And then it had body parts
01:34:21
in bags. Oh, that's fierce. Yeah. So the guy was actually sentenced to 90 years in prison. He is
01:34:28
still alive. And I'm so sorry. I forgot his name. I don't. Oh, then you're fired. Okay. I'll leave.
01:34:34
Ollie. That's amazing. But one thing I will point out is his head and his torso were recovered,
01:34:40
but his limbs, his arms and legs were never found. So I don't know what time your flight leaves tomorrow,
01:34:46
but if you guys want to go on a little excavation. I'd love to find some legs and arms.
01:34:51
Yay. That would be great. Climbs city. Yay. Thank you, Ashley. That was awesome.
01:34:55
Well done. So good. Thank you. Yes. That's how it's done. Yes. You all know how to do it.
01:35:03
Thank you so much. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you guys so much for being here. You're all sweet baby angels.
01:35:16
It means the world to us. This is crazy. We've never done a crowd this big. Yeah.
01:35:21
It's really amazing. Yeah. And you know what? You guys stay sexy. And don't get murdered.
01:35:28
Yeah. We'll come and say hi to you guys. All right. Well, Ashley, I can't believe, like, how brave of her to come on that stage
01:35:50
and then tell a killer hometown. Like, that's how it's done. Ashley set the precedent in the very beginning.
01:35:55
She really did. And thank you for knowing your job, Ashley. Yeah. There's nothing we appreciate more.
01:36:02
She did a great job. Oh, and I guess because this is the first time I said the phrase,
01:36:07
toxic masculinity ruins the party again. And then it became a very classic t-shirt design, which actually a listener designed.
01:36:14
Right. That's one of the first pieces of art that got sent into us. And we both loved it so much immediately.
01:36:20
It was like, oh my God, this is amazing. It was Kirsten Bencomo Cooper. I met with her.
01:36:25
We had lunch. She's so. So good. She is so freaking cool. Yeah. Yes. I love that. So good. So because of that, we're going to relaunch Toxic Masculinity
01:36:35
Ruins the Party again with Kristen's Art. And we're going to have it in a ladies muscle t-shirt
01:36:40
in white for the summer, summer, summertime and in a unisex t-shirt in evergreen.
01:36:46
And so the presale kicks off on May 7th. It's just going to be a quick sale, you guys. So if
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you're listening to this while it's coming out, go run over to exactlyrightstore.com. Presale is
01:36:57
May 7th. It's going to run for a week only, and then it's wrapping up on May 13th. So make sure
01:37:03
you grab this classic while you can. Yes, please do. And wear it proudly. Yes, it's a classic. So
01:37:08
head to exactlyrightstore for the presale and check it out So to rename this episode which of course live from the Chicago Podcast Festival is accurate it is a really good name but there are more to choose from So if we naming it today based on the content of the episode perhaps we would call it Here the Thing which obviously everyone knows we say all the time
01:37:31
Yeah. It just stops everybody to get them ready for the idea that's coming. Yeah. I'm about to have a moment. Take a moment. I'm going to have a moment.
01:37:39
Here's the thing. Here's the thing. there's also people love pockets of course because my dress had pockets i'm so proud that our first
01:37:45
kind of big theater live show pockets were right up top pockets got a fucking huge round of applause
01:37:52
it was very unexpected and exciting so exciting who knew and then also of course you're all my
01:38:00
mommy you're all my mommy so funny that is it that's the one i'd pick yeah for sure oh and then
01:38:08
me out. So then after the show, we go backstage and you grab me and you go, we have to go say hi
01:38:13
to them. Yes. And then you bring me out to the front lobby and there's just this crowd of people
01:38:18
I had never seen, like a wall of people. They're all so friendly and lovely. And then one by one,
01:38:23
we did a meet and greet, like on our own, said hi. Took pictures. Took pictures, hugs. Classic
01:38:29
audience member We don know her name but that the time where the girl ran up took a picture and then said my dad killed his business partner Bye And ran away Legend we talk about you all the time We do My mom sat in a chair and just watched the whole thing
01:38:42
She was so proud. So did my sister and Adrian and Audrey. That's right. My sister kept rolling her eyes, like, stop doing.
01:38:49
It was just like I was eight years old, but in her room trying to show off to get attention.
01:38:54
She's just like, stop. Show off time for Karen. Stop it. It's like, I won't stop it.
01:38:58
And we're not going to stop it for two and a half more hours. And we didn't. And we never did.
01:39:03
And it's been nine and a half years, Laura. We won't stop. All right. Well, thanks, everybody.
01:39:09
That was fun. Yeah. Thank you guys for listening and for everyone who came to the show and all that.
01:39:14
Yeah. Stay sexy. And don't get murdered. Goodbye. Elvis, do you want a cookie? Ah.
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