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for a year. Yeah, that's right. So this episode came out on January 5th, 2017. So let's get into the intro of episode 50. Yay!
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Get it out now. Are you? Oh, they're not supposed to know about your pre-show cry.
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Hello, everybody. Are we recording? I wish you guys knew what a nightmare it was.
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from when Karen got here in my apartment until we started recording. I just asked for an eight minute sob
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before we start just to get it out. Yeah. It's better. Is it? For me. This is my favorite murder.
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That's right. That's Karen. That's Georgia. That's terrible. There's nothing worse than when we do it correctly.
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I feel like there's, it feels terrible to do it right. Well, this isn't that kind of podcast.
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Like this isn't that, this isn't there's no second takes although I have to say I would love
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if Steven could ever get his act together for a little bit of just a little bit of intro music
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can we please wouldn't it be fun just play like your theme song like out loud in the apartment
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yeah or yes you could do that or if you got a keyboard throw it over throw it over to the
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bossa nova rhythm yeah song the setting yep get us pumped get us a little just a little like
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talking intro music like loud enough that it's over the crying over karen's sobbing so they're
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like i can ignore it i wind the sobbing out slowly and you intro the and that way i don't
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accidentally introduce a different podcast that's a good idea well i mean or whatever comes out
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what if you just have it as the whatever comes out allowance that reminds me oh uh what are we
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going to call our tour so we have a name it i we don't but i think it'd be funny to have
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just a bunch of ideas of names and like never settle on one okay well then my first idea is
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monsters of rock what's your first idea um the f-word murder mystery tour great then we have to
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fucking give a cut to someone's dad whoever made up that name um angry this episode uh we could also
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do um it's just we could call ourselves the gin blossoms i'm all minor band jokes it's not good
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um should we do uh no i yeah i guess we don't need one i mean we're gonna have a sign behind us
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like at the show nope who's gonna make it not gonna hang it who's gonna hang it's gonna hang
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it or make it steven just raised his hand oh my we're just gonna we're gonna keep piling shit on
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that you have to fucking do what if we call it steven's piles tour the piles of steven what's
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that mean it's just piles of shitty has to do tour oh i get it it's called i like that you
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immediately lost track of what was happening piles but like i thought i was thinking like
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like gomer piles so i was thinking you're calling steven's steven piles like gomer pile oh yeah no
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no no no great uh what if we cancel the tour because this is such a problem and it can't be
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solved um cool how do we call what if we call it the dry shampoo tour because i swear to god
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i planned on bathing before i came here um but i didn't i was doing other stuff this is a safe
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place to not bathe oh my god but i the amount of dry shampoo i've started depending on lately
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do you use it too yes and your hair looks full and it looks like you look like a mod like yeah
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like a mod model model oh like it's full and bouncy and i fucking love it oh okay thank you
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it great i gonna start doing that then i also think i might need more layers it not we should not i love it i love your hair Yeah So um oh you guys loved the year end guy Brenham spectacular episode Yes Thanks for all your positive uh feedback on
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that. We're going to definitely have him back on. I don't love that it was one of your favorites
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because I'm sorry. What have we been doing this fucking 50 episodes? Hey, look, uh, we get it.
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Yeah. Yeah. We get it. We get it. You like when there's someone else talking to anyone else,
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anyone else who has correct information. Look, fine. We'll do it. Then we'll find.
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We'll be fucking smart. Okay. And we'll do it. Watch this. Watch how much you don't enjoy this.
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I'm going to name every state and every Roman numeral right now. I can kick off a corrections corner
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by saying yes, the Sandra Bullock movie is two weeks notice. And yes, I said it was called six weeks notice
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while claiming to be her number one fan. two weeks is not enough i feel like six weeks i think i feel like is the legal amount i'm sorry
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six weeks like i'm sorry two weeks is like me getting fired from being a secretary you know
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what i mean like but six weeks is like when you're a fucking lawyer like sandra bullock was
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you're a professional thank you right was she was she was a lawyer don't even know that very good
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um i just felt like the movie took so long it couldn't have been two weeks that she when she
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gave do you really like that movie like legitimately oh yes i'll watch it every time i know you will
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But like, is it like a, you know, it's a bad movie watch? No, it's not a bad movie.
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Hugh Grant and Sandra Bullock are equal parts. He's the British version. They're the equal person of themselves.
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They're the mere reflection of each other. They're like riffy yet real. And they're kind of like mumbly bumbly, but very attractive.
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So they're playing brother and sister in this movie. No, they're attracted to each other.
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Yeah, but they're playing brother and sister. Which is the part I like. It's a real Game of Thrones.
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situation. And yet there's a corporate element to it, which I also love. It just bums me out.
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Like I see movies like that and I'm like, Oh, what if you had to fucking live your life by
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working in an office every fucking day? You know, part of the part that I love in that movie.
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And there's details like this that always stick out to me. You can tell when either the person
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that wrote the movie or Sandra Bullock herself, there's a part where she orders Chinese food.
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You're like, this isn't how. It's just not how people, like the idea is that she's going to totally binge on Chinese food, but it's way too much Chinese food.
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Like you already get a ton of Chinese food when you just get four or five things.
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Like we know, here's what you get. You get a poultry and you get, maybe get a shrimp and then you get a noodle or a rice.
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Yes. And maybe some like, like egg rolls because you want a crunchy thing. Yes. That's the first thing that you need.
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But yeah, four, four things entree and maybe you're going to add the fifth. Yeah.
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In this thing, she sits on that phone and she just keeps ordering dishes. And it's like, now I believe that you've never eaten anything besides like an apple and a cup of yogurt.
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Because you've never allowed yourself to have Chinese food. That's a scene in it.
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Like, here's how bum she is. I'm pregnant. Is that a thing? A little bit. It's no, but it's just her thing.
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It's like to show that she's so down to earth. It's one of those things where it's like, and people tweet this all the time.
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Like, I ordered Chinese and they brought, and it was just for me. and they brought eight utensils
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because that's how much I ordered. Like, I'm such a pig. I'm cute, you know? And you're like, fucking shut up.
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Like there's that, there's this amazing Instagram that I'm obsessed with and I don't know exactly what it's called,
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but it's basically called You Didn't Eat That. And it's these photos of models and like actresses
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that are like opening their mouth and putting a food thing near it and taking a photo of it.
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But like, you didn't eat that. That's right. Everyone knows. It's always a carb.
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Like it's always like, look at how I'm going to dance with this bowl of spaghetti,
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but you've never actually had that in your mouth. I'm going to dance with this bowl of spaghetti.
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Oh my God. If you want to take a bath in one food product, what would it be? Because a spaghetti,
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a bowl of spaghetti sounds great. Yeah, I think spaghetti and Parmesan cheese mix together.
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With olive oil. And you just slip right into that. Dude, that sounds, what is wrong with you?
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That sounds so nice. That sounds so relaxing. After giving your six weeks notice,
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you just get into that bathtub. Maybe order some Chinese. door dash some chinese postmates it straight into the bathroom we're not this isn't a commercial by
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the way oh no you didn't slip into a commercial nope not at all oh we also need music before the
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commercials because the commercials are becoming so chatty it's not fair you can't tell we're not
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trying to do that we're not like this isn't you guys know that we don't know anything about like
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editing and fucking engineering and being sneaky and like talking about states clearly here's the
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other mistake I made. When we were talking with Guy about legal shit and we were talking about
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the murder of Harvey Milk, I had to pop pipe up and say, and you, I think you said something like,
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yeah, he was murdered by his coworker and another politician. And I said, that's right. Dan Brown.
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The person that murdered Harvey Milk was Dan White. Dan Brown is the international bestselling
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author of the da Vinci good and he absolutely did not kill harvey karen starting rumors is my
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favorite new corner this is the gossip corner now did you know but did did guy or georgia myself
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not a correct you not a beat nope no one even heard it because here's the thing we're allowed
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to say whatever the fuck we want this is our podcast if you want a factual podcast go to what
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you missed in facts you know what we're on the cutting edge because like this whole thing of like
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then there is no reality anymore we've been doing that since last year this isn't happening
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you know that i also feel it's funny that you like i get fucking everything wrong and but you're the
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one who has corrections corner so clearly i'm just like i don't care i don't care i don't care
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oh if you if you a bitch enough to fucking tell me what i got wrong then that sucks but i also think it hilarious to get like when we get shit wrong I do too There people though I I accidentally stumbled on this email and I can remember
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I was trying to find, do you ever do that thing where you start an email and then you have to go
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check something else? This happens to me on my phone all the time. I start to write an email
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and then I have to go check and I'm like giving the person I'm writing it to someone else's email.
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And I want to double check to make sure I don't give them the wrong email. So I leave the email.
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so I hit save draft but then I can't find it in my drafts folder it's not there then I'm like did
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I send that email oh my god and then I'm like and then what if I go back in do you start it again
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and then resend another email so scared I fucking punched my microphone in the face this is something
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that I actually went through recently do you do that I mean I have I have done it once once before
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where now I'm scared to death that that it's that idea of is it in drafts or did you just send it
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It saves it itself. So you can just close it here. This is like sometimes my phone doesn't update quick enough.
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So it's like it just updated, but it really didn't. Do you know what I do, which could be a mistake, is I start to type in their email address in the email I'm writing and it comes up.
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Oh, like you're going to CC them. Like you're CCing them. But then don't forget to be like, oh, yeah, that here's her email.
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And then you're like, you find it by CCing them. And then you're like, oh, shit.
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That'd be the best. You're talking shit about a person That you're also giving their email
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To the person you're talking to Yeah but you shouldn't hire her on anything But she's a stupid bitch
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But she's gonna fuck everyone on that crew Wait why was I even Citing that example
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Mistakes made It's called my life What was it? There was a reason I was saying that Stephen
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What was the reason? Six weeks No that wasn't it Stephen you're too far back Put the phone, put that microphone down.
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Put the phone down. Steven's just on a phone. What if Steven's on like a pay phone in the corner?
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Steven, get off. Oh, Jesus. Microphones are going everywhere today. Steven, can you get some better fucking props?
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Are these props? Well, we're about, I'm moving. And so this is about to all be like, I'm kind of sad.
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This is our like setup. We need like, we need a video of this. I won't be sad when it's like March and you have full AC.
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people in other parts of the country are like march is cold nope nope not here in
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fucking global warming town where it's 85 always we're gonna have an episode live from the pool
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i'm going to fucking be living near nice we're gonna play tennis and record at the same time
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not me no we're gonna have i don't know how to play tennis um we're gonna sit on hardwood floor
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yes everything about i can't so yeah we'll let you know but um we need a photo of like this
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if vince comes home drunk we'll have him take a photo of us right here the day that i haven't
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bathed you look great you're out of your gd mind um what i what's you had one more corner
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oh it was my the thing that i that happened over christmas my good story that i didn't tell you
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the whole thing of oh so at my aunt joe's house um now my family knows that i have a a podcast about
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murder many are excited about it some don't like it and told me right to my face yeah which is
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which is fun um um but my lovely aunt joe said well wait did you know that marty had a hand in
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arrest of the night stalker my cousin martin the oldest of all the cousins sorry who was the san
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francisco um policeman fireman oh um who was a cop in san francisco uh for many years he's now retired
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uh was he had just started he was like just on the force he was basically a beat cop and there
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was a burglary in the marina and so they went in and well while they were looking at the place
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that had been burgled, they found a set of fingerprints. And so they called the forensic
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team, whatever it's called. He told me the story on the phone, actually, because I was texting him
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of like, how could you never have told me this? And he was like, we never talk. You're the most,
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you're always in Los Angeles. Stop using me for crime. And then I was like, too bad. Tell me the
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story. I'm sorry. You've been boring the whole time I've known you. Now suddenly you're interesting.
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No, this is, these are the, all my cousins are fun. But he tells me, so they find a fingerprint on the windowsill.
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They call the guy, the team to come and get it. And then that fingerprint leads to the identification of Richard Ramirez.
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Because so you know how he started in LA, then he went up to San Francisco, then he went back down to LA.
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Okay. So when he was in San Francisco, that fingerprint basically helped identify him.
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Holy shit. And my cousin Marty was one of the two cops. They had that technology then where they could like send fingerprints to places.
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I guess so. I mean, it was like the late 90s. It was the late 80s. Yeah. I think it was 89.
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Like fax machines were in their prime. They faxed over the request. Yeah. That's dude.
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That's so cool. It was super exciting to me. And I go, why didn't you ever tell me this?
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And he goes, no one's ever asked me about this. You need to write a book. about it yeah that's what i said um and the interesting thing he said was that in that break-in
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uh richard ramirez stole a couple things from this you know the marina is like super nice part
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of san francisco um there was a girl sleeping downstairs and he didn't know thank fucking god
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he didn't go downstairs if he had gone downstairs she would be dead and also those are my favorite
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stories i know she she never even knew he was there so she was like the luckiest and um And also while Richard Ramirez was in San Francisco there was my cousin Marty daughter Kathleen told me this because she said she always been scared to pull her car into a garage
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Yes, where you have to walk out of it. Well, she's like, anytime there's a garage, I immediately turn off the engine but immediately close the door.
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Well, they have those garages that don't have doors where you have to pull into them and then walk back out the garage door.
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And those are very scary. Very scary. So she's like super paranoid of anything similar to that.
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Because when Richard Ramirez was in San Francisco, there was a woman who got out of her car and he was standing in the front of the garage thing.
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And he shot her and the bullet was deflected by her keys. Oh, my God. And she survived.
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Last night, a key chain saved my life. come on now don't don't no you don't uh elvis just stopped touching me when i said that elvis
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was like that's the stupidest thing you've ever said mom so anyway that was uh that was christmas
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night i got to hear all these stories and it was it made me so proud um uh to be a kilgariff
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it was exciting i'm proud of is his last name kilgariff yeah that's fucking awesome dude marty
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kilgariff then my cousin and then mike is the sheriff sheriff kilgariff yeah that's real oh my
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My brother was an usher at a movie theater when he was in high school. And so he was Asher the Usher.
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Asher the Usher. See, dreams come true. Oh, everything's fine. Everything's going to be okay in 2017.
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Well, my second cousin wrote Pink Cadillac. So there we go. The Bruce Springsteen song?
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Yeah. Was it? Yeah. Pink Cadillac. Yeah. He wrote that. That's awesome. He's in the Bay Area, too.
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It's very cool. whatever twins um well thanks for tuning in this is called family victories with karen and georgia
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this is called we're not losers we have family who are successful uh someone's doing something
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uh my favorite murder.com has all this isn't the end of the show but no you know we're about to get
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into some heavy fucking shit right i don't know so yeah so so take this information with you
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there's a website sure we have a website is there anything i feel like i just i should do something
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where i write stuff down when i think of it throughout the week yeah and talk to you about
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it like make a list yep sure let me know um before we get started with the murders just happy 50th
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episode oh my god is this it yeah this is episode 50 oh my god thank god for steven
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you mentioned it earlier and i was like and then just like passed by and i was like wait really no
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I was like, that can't be right. Yeah, this is episode 50. You're hired. Holy shit.
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Isn't that great? And then the first episode, I think, aired. January 15th. Yeah.
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I found the very first Instagram account or Instagram photo on my Instagram that says,
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like, hey, Karen, I started a podcast. Maybe I'm going to listen to that. I'm going to post it on the 15th.
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But that's crazy. It's been almost a full year. Holy shit. And 50 episodes. Yeah, 50 episodes.
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That means our live show at the Ortheum is going to be like, it's the 17th? Someone needs to know that.
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It's the 20th. Myfavoritmerger.com. Yeah. Go ahead and visit that website. Oh my God, it's our 50th.
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Isn't it the 28th or the 24th? No, it's sooner. Steven. This is why we hired you.
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This is the market edit. Wow. Yeah. Congratulations. Thanks. Congratulations to you too.
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Thank you. I feel like it's not that hard to make 50 podcasts. I'm sorry. Oh, I'm sorry.
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Fucking kidding me? That's great. I mean, it's great because it's doing well and it's not sad.
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Yep. God bless America. Who's going first? Karen can't. Well, we just, yeah. What?
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It's just good. It's cool. It's good. Okay. Yeah. Am I going first? Wait, what's the date of the Orpheum show?
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It's the 21st. No. None of those guesses were right. You know, Vince and I recently had to look at the inscription inside of his wedding ring to remember what day we got married on.
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When your anniversary. And we were both wrong. That inscription is smart. That's a good idea.
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Yeah. Thank God we did that because we were both like the sixth. I was like, I think it's a fourth.
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And it was a fifth. So we're fun. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. This is when I'm moving out of my apartment.
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We're back. Sorry. Yeah. What's the whole thing with it's a nightmare in the apartment before the show started?
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I have no idea. Yeah. Like, because it was all you. Maybe you were upset because you had to move and record.
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Yeah. Maybe it was just a mess, a big mess of boxes and stuff and probably hot. Who the fuck knows?
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Yeah. But probably hot. Yeah. Yeah. Packing to move isn't fun. So. Oh, I miss that apartment.
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I was wondering when we were going to get to this. Yeah. The end. The last episode in this apartment.
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Yeah. We have a photo of it empty. And this is our 50th episode. That's like a big deal.
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I think it's a big deal in the episode and you don't. I still think it's a big deal.
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50 is, I guess it's a big deal if you're thinking about human weddings or something like that.
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Yeah. Can you imagine whispering to us, you're going to do 500. You're going to do more than 500.
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You're going to do this for the rest of your life. There are so many corrections corners in this episode.
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Because we're going to do my story first. I call it the Somerset Man over and over again.
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It's not the Somerset Man. No. Which is a place in California and a place in the UK.
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Is that what you were thinking of? No, probably not. Maybe. I don't know. Yeah. Just sounds similar.
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But... Yeah, I mean, it's me apologizing for calling the Sandra Bullock movie six-week notice.
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But I actually said eight-weeks notice, and the movie is called two-weeks notice.
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And whoever made—I think it was Sabrina who made this note. It says, while claiming to be her number one fan.
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So I am the ultimate hypocrite because I don't know the names of her movies, and I still will absolutely try to take credit for being her number one fan.
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I don't know, though. Do both things have to be true? no like you don't have to know them all i mean thanks for letting me off the hook yeah i feel
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like the real bullock heads would be like get the fuck out of here if you don't even know two weeks
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notice well maybe i just have like ptsd from dudes going what what songs do the band sing
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oh you really like them what songs and i don't know the names of songs yeah yeah because like
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you know people just record it on tape so you don't know the names of the song right it's fine
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i'm not looking at the fucking liner of the notes like a dork i'm not here to prove my fandom
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to you, another fan. It can't be done. But then we don't even need to spend time
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with that correction corner because I immediately say that Dan Brown murdered Harvey Milk instead of Dan White,
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which is a horrible thing to say about the man who wrote my favorite book, The Da Vinci Code.
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Just kidding. Oh, you love Da Vinci Code and Sandra Bullock. Like, those are Karen's...
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I mean, it's who I am as a person. Do you ever need her security questions for passwords?
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Da Vinci 3549. All right, let's do it. Okay. So now we're going to get into Georgia's story about the Somerton.
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00:28:33
Stephen, part of your new job that we're hiring you for is that you need to remember who went first last time.
00:28:39
Guy Brandon went first last year. Right. Oh, that's right. No one went first. New year, new year, fresh start.
00:28:44
All right. Rock, paper, scissors? That's right. Okay. One, two, three, hit? Yeah.
00:28:49
Okay. One, two, three, hit. Fuck. One, two, three, hit. I go first! All right. First we got scissors and then I got paper and she got rock.
00:28:57
Just guys, for those watching at home. Yeah. For those who have to know. All right.
00:29:04
Well, this one is like, I didn't want to do this one because I feel like, well, everyone,
00:29:10
I do this a lot where it's like, well, I've been obsessed since I was a kid. So I'm like, everyone knows this thing, but people keep asking us to do it.
00:29:16
And it's fucking fascinating. And there's information that one doesn't know about.
00:29:20
So I'm like, I got into it and I got really into it. Okay, cool. So this is the Taman Shud.
00:29:26
Oh, yes. The Somerset Man. We have just talked about this, but we haven't gone into detail.
00:29:31
Right. So there's some really interesting info about it. So I'm going to get through the beginning.
00:29:35
And have you solved it? I've solved it. Oh, great. Okay. Well, of course, I in my head have solved it, of course.
00:29:40
You know exactly what. Okay, okay. So, on the morning of December 1st, 1948, a man's body is found on Somerton Beach,
00:29:52
which is in Australia. It near Adelaide which is like fucking has the best serial killers The dead man is leaned up against a wall
00:30:06
He's on the beach, leaned up against a wall. He's wearing a suit and tie. He's well-dressed.
00:30:10
There's an unlit cigarette resting on his collar as if he was just like about to smoke.
00:30:15
And then it fell out of his mouth when he died. I know. So his feet are crossed.
00:30:21
There's no signs of struggle or distress. and people walking by had seen him and thought he was just drunk.
00:30:26
He was like propped up that way. He had no identification on him. What he had on him was an unused rail ticket or a bus ticket,
00:30:37
a comb, gum, cigarettes, and a scrap of paper with the phrase Tamon Shud. It's hard to find out exactly how to say this.
00:30:47
Tamon Shud. Spell it. T-A-M-A-N-S-H-U-D. It's not okay. It means finished in Persian.
00:30:57
Okay. And the labels had been clipped from his clothing. So the autopsy doesn't find a cause of death, but notes that he was in his 40s.
00:31:09
He had a fit physique. And that they said that he had strong and high calf muscles as if he were a dancer.
00:31:20
Just like me. All right. But you can tell those things supposedly. So they take his railway ticket and they find his suitcase at the train station.
00:31:30
And they know it's his because a spool of thread inside the case matches the thread that he had used to repair one of his pockets.
00:31:39
And in the suitcase is a shaving kit, clothes, and a coat with stitching that was specific to U.S. tailoring.
00:31:45
So they thought he was from the U.S. Also, he had Wrigley's Juicy Fruit Gum. Oh, that's American.
00:31:50
What if this whole time this had just been an ad for Wrigley's Do Supergirl? And they're like, you can't tell it apart anymore.
00:31:56
And only American men chewed it back then, or Australian men didn't. So, okay, so the paper, the Tommen Shude was torn out of a poetry book,
00:32:06
Persian poetry book that was extremely rare. And local librarians identified the phrase as the very last two words.
00:32:16
It's the Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam. It's a book of poems from the 12th century by a Persian poet.
00:32:24
And the theme of this book is that one should live their life to the fullest and have no regrets when it ends.
00:32:30
And the very last line, it's almost like saying the end was Taman Shud, which is finished.
00:32:38
And for some fucking reason that was in his pocket. Okay. so a dude comes forward and says that he had actually found this this book in the backseat
00:32:51
of his car around the same time and around the same place like someone had tossed this book
00:32:55
into the backseat of his car and it had those two last words ripped out of it and in the book that the guy had found were a bunch of lines that were code it seemed to be
00:33:08
code. They didn't make any sense, but they're all capital letters and the letters all kind of seem
00:33:13
like how English words would start. So the theory is that the Somerton man was poisoned. There was
00:33:24
no trace of poison found in his system, but the pathologist who performed the autopsy said that
00:33:29
his spleen had grown to three times its normal size and that his liver was damaged. And he said,
00:33:35
quote, I am convinced the death could not have been natural. And he said, the poison I suggested
00:33:41
was a barbiturate or a soluble hypnotic, which is sleeping pills. And, but no foreign substance
00:33:47
was found in his body, but most of these barbiturates like kind of go away within a couple of days.
00:33:52
So it seems like he was poisoned, but there was no poison actually found in his body.
00:33:56
And then code breakers have tried to solve the code that's in the actual book. And
00:34:04
like, okay, so there's these, these like a bunch of letters and they think it stands for,
00:34:10
it's time to move south. It's time to move to South Australia, Mosley Street, which is like so stupid. And I think that they just made up, like, it sounds ridiculous. The
00:34:19
letters are I-T-T-M-T and they came up with it that way to Mosley Street. You're just saying it seems like they're just reaching for something that it could mean.
00:34:28
Yes. But however, however, however, there's also a phone number, an unlisted phone number in the book. And it belongs to a former army nurse who lives on Mosley Street.
00:34:44
Oh, it's not so stupid. Well, maybe they knew that afterwards and made that up because that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
00:34:50
Okay. Why? I don't know. It's just like, well, it's all. Well, because is it because it's like the secret code and then all it says is like a place.
00:34:59
It's like not even that interesting. Yeah. Or it's time to move to South Australia, Mosley Street.
00:35:04
Why would anyone need to code that? Well, maybe maybe it doesn't mean what it sounds like it means.
00:35:09
Like maybe it's code within code. Yeah. Where it's like move means something sinister.
00:35:15
Okay. So the down down the street from where he dies is Mosley Street. where it's a five minute walk to where the person whose phone number where she lives,
00:35:30
her name is Joe Thompson and she lives on Mosley Street. She, when the cops go there, she's like, I don't know who he is.
00:35:37
But actually I gave that exact book to Lieutenant Alfred Boxall who she had served with.
00:35:45
So she doesn't know who this person is. There this fucking rare book of poems that she had given to someone she had served with And you don just give a person a book of poems No no no They were probably boring Right I mean that not you not like oh here the Ruby at Yeah See you later pal
00:36:05
No, I give everyone a copy of fucking Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy that I fall in love with. No,
00:36:11
no, I don't. Poems. I mean, I've done it, but I don't. Poems are a big deal. Yeah. If someone
00:36:15
gives you a book of poems, they're into you. And it's like, it's a rare book of beautiful poems.
00:36:21
Yeah, she spent like 40 bucks at a bookstore. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. So she's like, I don't know who that is, but my book sounds familiar.
00:36:29
I gave it to this dude. And so they they're like, well, this dude must be the Somerset man.
00:36:36
But then he turns up in 49 and he still has his copy of his book. And it's intact.
00:36:42
So it's not him. But he has a copy of the book. Like, you know him. Okay. so they people started could he sorry could he just as a cover have gotten a second copy
00:36:54
or like what if it was just like they show a photo of it it's like duct taped into the
00:36:59
fucking last page of the book he just like just really shitty scotch tape with crayon
00:37:04
and it's like written in crayon it is finished exclamation point yes totally yes what you're saying um so people started to speculate that uh lieutenant boxall
00:37:16
was working for the military intelligence at the time. And maybe the Somerton man was a Soviet spy
00:37:22
and he was poisoned by Boxall or some other agent. So he went to visit this woman who had
00:37:28
given this man a copy of the book and they were all spies. And maybe, you know, it's like,
00:37:36
it's really interesting. Okay. But Boxall himself dismisses the quote as, it's quite a melodramatic thesis. Say that in Australian voice. I don't, I can't.
00:37:45
Oh, I can't. No, I can't. They always sound like everything goes up at the end. No matter what they're saying, they sound like they're kind of excited.
00:37:52
Yeah. Even when they're, that's why I was listening. I told you I was listening to Case File over the break when I drove to San Francisco.
00:37:57
Oh, it's great. And to listen to somebody very seriously talk about murder, but have their inclin, the intonation
00:38:02
go up at the end is so enjoyable to me. Because it's like an exclamation mark at the end of every sentence.
00:38:09
Yeah. It just kind of sounds like everything's all right, even though it's murder.
00:38:12
Do you know what happened over the, I forgot to tell you this. at New Year's Eve, I was at Joe DeRosa's house and there was an Australian girl there who was
00:38:19
from Adelaide. And I was like, I did the thing of you guys have great murders. And she was,
00:38:26
she wasn't like, yeah, here's one I remember. She was like, oh, I know. She was very, she was very
00:38:34
sweet, but Australia has the best murders. Yes. Tell me about them. One million of them. So in
00:38:41
2009, speaking of, University of Adelaide Professor Derek Abbott, who's like this dude who's like
00:38:47
the dude who's obsessed with this now. Like nowadays, he's the guy. Cool. You know what I mean?
00:38:52
And he's a professor. That'll help. Yeah. And he's a professor at University of Adelaide. And he's like, I'm going to solve this,
00:38:58
which sometimes is like bad because you're like tunnel vision, but it's still interesting.
00:39:02
Still get into it. So Derek Abbott thinks that the key to the code is in the actual book that they found.
00:39:11
But the edition that was near on The Somerset Man is so rare that they can't find it, a copy of that, to know if it matches up.
00:39:21
You know when they change chapters and they change wording and they change the translation later?
00:39:28
We can't find a book that's old enough to match up to this book, which is cool. It could be in there, but it's not in the ones that we can buy.
00:39:38
Which I'm like, can you imagine going to a fucking used bookstore and finding that book?
00:39:41
like right and also like how put on an apb of like does anybody have the rubyat look up your
00:39:48
grandma's library karen please send so you know the rubyat you fucking know about this what the
00:39:55
rubyat like that was amazing that you i didn't know what it was called oh yes it's all knowledge
00:40:01
that doesn't help me in any way except for on your podcast oh hi i'm sorry except for on your
00:40:05
career podcast where was i okay so the original autopsy report guess what it's lost they always
00:40:15
get lost the government won't exhume the body um and abbott's trying really hard to get them to
00:40:23
exhume the body for dna testing what's the problem well that they won't do it yeah because they think
00:40:28
they don't think it'll catch a murderer that's their thing is like what it's like if there will
00:40:35
be clues to murder to a murderer they'll exhume it but if it's just to to figure out some mysterious
00:40:41
clue they won't do it but okay which is like it's got to be expensive to exhume a body right
00:40:49
yes and i understand that they don't want to disturb it's that's there's a whole thing but
00:40:53
like yeah okay i i see that can i go on record and say disturb the shit out of my body if there's
00:40:58
some mysterious clue that needs to be solved. Oh, I'll dig you up so fast. Claw me out.
00:41:05
I'm going to have a note taped to my body. I'm not going to tell you what it is.
00:41:08
I'm going to get you one of those plots where you can just, it's never fully buried. Like you can
00:41:14
just keep bringing the body up on a little elevator. Do you know about how they used to,
00:41:19
there were so many, there were so many bodies that got buried that were still alive at a certain
00:41:25
point that they started burying people with bells yes right yes so that if the bell there was a bell
00:41:32
in the coffin that went up to the surface surface so there if you were fucking buried alive you would
00:41:40
ding it but then so many people would start decomposing with their finger in the bell because
00:41:44
they put it in there and the gases would move shit and the food ding the bell how creepy would that
00:41:49
be to like be the night fucking monitor and just be like ding ding ding ding everything like which
00:41:54
one real and which one not now this was around that time this is like 1800s 17 1800s probably yeah Yeah Where like everything was just so creepy back then Yeah Everything creepy
00:42:05
It was like, it was always night. Yes. It was always night. Women always had black lace veils over their faces.
00:42:11
Plagues everywhere. Dead children. Piles of dead children. Oh my God. Like you expect your kids to die.
00:42:16
You're alive? You just knew it. You'd be like, hey, let's call you Timmy. Who really knows?
00:42:20
I'm going to farm you out to this rich couple to be their servant. Goodbye. bye ultimately yeah okay good luck fuck so dark everything sucks but it's the best but it sucks
00:42:31
you know what i mean um autopsy report is lost okay all right cool so so abbott notices like in
00:42:41
the photos of the somerset man he notices a couple things about him that are strange
00:42:46
one is that his upper ear like the this part right here that i'm pointing at that you can't
00:42:53
see on the podcast is is is strangely shaped and the formation is is shared by less than two percent
00:43:00
of caucasians so the upper lobe of the ear is larger than the lower lobe of the ear which is
00:43:05
rare okay really less than two percent do you ever do that thing where you know ears are really the
00:43:10
identifier of people like when you you know when they always have that yeah it's like is
00:43:14
nicholas cage a time traveler here's a picture of him well his ear doesn't stick out those ears
00:43:19
don't match and you can like immediately if you see and you think could these two people be the
00:43:24
same check the ears first or like a little like a kid corpse that like it went missing and like
00:43:29
there's a the photo of the kid and there's a photo of his body and they're like well his ear doesn't
00:43:34
stick the ear doesn't that's it they look exactly the same yeah fuck dude that's cool although i
00:43:39
know a guy in high school who got fucking taped my ears back surgery oh yeah oh that's true it's
00:43:46
that sad no but that was not now they don't do that now although i guess they could if they like
00:43:50
kidnapped a kid and like fixed his ears well i mean yeah you'd have to yeah there's so many
00:43:55
possibilities in this life i know i love that okay so he looks at the body and he is like here are
00:44:01
the ears these are wrong um and also he had a condition in which the so these certain teeth
00:44:10
are missing in the front so that your incisors your pointy guys are right next to your two front
00:44:16
teeth yeah instead of having a buffer yep right so it's just like fang um and it's again less than
00:44:24
two percent of the population have this and i think it's hereditary they don't prove anything
00:44:29
on their own but so but derek abbott examines photos of the the of the son of the woman whose
00:44:37
phone number is in the book who claims to have nothing to do with him her fucking kid robin
00:44:45
has those same fucking abnormalities. Both? Beer and teeth? Both. Shit. And in addition to that,
00:44:54
guess what he does for a fucking living? He's a ballerina. Yep. Are you kidding?
00:44:58
I'm not fucking kidding. Okay. Blown mind. Am I wrong? What is she doing? Why won't she be honest?
00:45:07
Because something went wrong because maybe she was a spy and so was he. And he came back around
00:45:12
and was like, what's up? I'm here in town. Because he was in town for like he came into town like they had bus tickets and the suitcase thing that showed that he was just fucking visiting.
00:45:21
So he came into town for her. Oh, if you if you believe these theories. Yes. So he came into town to confront her or to see her or to fucking threaten her or to fucking blackmail her or whatever.
00:45:34
Or to make her a nice dinner. Yeah. And she was like, I don't I don't want dinner.
00:45:39
I'm going to put poison in your food. Whoa. Something. oh yeah because he was poison and could have been her that's why she's lying
00:45:49
it doesn't come up ever in any any web page that you find but in my mind yeah it could have
00:45:57
in the mix she's in up in that mix okay so so his daughter so her daughter her her son robin
00:46:06
who they think is the kid passes away in 2009 and his daughter kate is on 60 minutes in 2013
00:46:13
saying that his grandma had fucking known this dude, the Sumritan man, and that they both might've been spies.
00:46:22
And she had no evidence of that, but she also said that she thought that this guy was her dad's father.
00:46:28
Huh. Yeah. Like she, the granddaughter believes it. The best, like, I love this part of the story.
00:46:37
Maybe I should save it. It's like a really, okay. For what next week? I don't know, it's just cute.
00:46:41
No, for the end, because it makes it less sad. Oh, okay. Yeah, I'm going to save it.
00:46:45
Okay, so they're trying to get Australian government to exhume the body. They won't fucking do it.
00:46:53
He looks British in appearance. He's this age. He's in good physical. I don't know. This is all...
00:46:58
Like they're saying there's no reason to do it. Yeah, maybe he wasn't murdered. The thing is that the kid was a fucking ballet dancer.
00:47:05
And the original autopsy said he had great calves and looked like a fucking ballet dancer.
00:47:10
Which is like, and those two other fucking things? Come on. please um so let's see i didn't edit this as well as i should have okay okay so they're they're now
00:47:25
trying to test the dna of the daughter of this woman i mean the granddaughter of this woman
00:47:31
but they don't have the dna of the somerton man so but they think that they're related okay so
00:47:40
the dna was anything of him do you know i think they made a bust of his face and you can go online
00:47:47
and see a really amazing i think what an amazing fucking autopsy face photo there's like post
00:47:53
post-mortem like photo and to me i mean and this is so stupid i've always thought he looks like
00:48:00
my grandfather who was a Eastern European immigrant. Like I've always thought he looks like that.
00:48:05
So maybe he was a spy for fucking Germany in World War II, but who knows? So, oh, so in the bus they made of him,
00:48:13
there's some hairs left, but I don't think they can get the DNA out of it. So that's why they're trying to exhume him,
00:48:19
but they tested the DNA of the granddaughter and it turns out that she might be related
00:48:26
to like Thomas Jefferson, which if it is if he is related he's from america oh okay basically so did we know that from the
00:48:35
juicy fruit yeah we thought that but also it's interesting because if they find someone who is
00:48:40
related and they have an uncle who disappeared then we'll fucking know who it is oh you know
00:48:44
what i mean which is really cool um they believe she had an affair they were maybe they were spies
00:48:51
maybe they weren't but the fucking best part of this whole story so that's what that's basically
00:48:55
what it is we don't know that i the last news story i can get from this is from october of 2016
00:49:03
oh and it says they're testing the dna and this and the doctor who seems really fucking cool
00:49:08
named fitzpatrick her last name it's a chick a she her name is fitzpatrick is gonna do a whole
00:49:13
thing about it and she never did i can't find it but so the granddaughter kate and derrick abbott
00:49:22
who's trying to find the DNA and the story of this. The professor? Got married. Yes.
00:49:27
Had three babies. What? Fell in love. What? How cute is that? What if he's just using her?
00:49:32
He's not. For DNA. Every night she's like, I just, I have these dreams of my cheek being swabbed.
00:49:40
What? No, I just like Q-tips. I love plucking your hair, darling. I mean, who hasn't had a boyfriend
00:49:46
who wants to pluck your hair? Am I wrong? Everybody's got to do that. Yeah. And there's always a bowl
00:49:51
in the toilet that catches your pee. Like it's just the thing. It's standard. That's actually very sweet.
00:49:57
So like he goes to, like he goes there to like fucking find out what's going on.
00:50:01
I'm going to interview the granddaughter and she's like, here's his information and I believe it too.
00:50:05
And then they make out. And then they're just like in the stacks trying to find whole files and stuff.
00:50:11
Don't you feel like how cute is that? Oh my God, it's precious. That's like the best.
00:50:14
Like that's so, you'd read a book about that and you'd be like, come on. Shut up.
00:50:18
Well, also because everything else about this case is so frustrating. First of all,
00:50:21
are we sure we haven't done this before? Because I feel like all of that was so familiar.
00:50:27
We've talked about it. We've talked about it. I know I listened to it on Thinking Sideways.
00:50:32
Yes, for sure. That's why I didn't want to do it. Is it's, this thing happened, like, okay.
00:50:38
I want to say like when Jamie Lee was on the live episode, she did a story that I think is fascinating
00:50:43
that I would never do because I feel like we need to do stories that nobody knows about.
00:50:49
I disagree. I know, I know. And I agree with that. And when Jamie said she was going to do it, the audience fucking cheered.
00:50:55
And I was like, oh, we can actually do stories that people know about. We're just going to find it.
00:50:59
I know. I totally know. Totally. So when I found that out, I was like. But then me just saying this right now is like convincing you otherwise, basically.
00:51:06
No, you're correct. Oh, I totally think you're. No, I mean, me saying it sounds familiar.
00:51:11
No, I mean, I did JonBenet. Like, I can do this. Yeah. Yeah. So. It's fine. Yeah.
00:51:16
I just. What was the point? Oh, yeah. So we've heard about it. You and I have heard about it.
00:51:19
I said to Vince, have you ever heard about this case? And he was like, no, no. So also it's so vague.
00:51:25
It's like, so a dead guy is there and he's got these weird items on him and he may be this and he may be that,
00:51:33
but he might just be a dead guy. Dude. That like, there's you, like a lot of stuff,
00:51:38
a lot of like, things have been painted on. Like he could be a spy and it could be this
00:51:42
and it could be that. Could be just a dead guy. They didn't find poison in his body.
00:51:46
Right. He could have killed himself. He spleened himself out one night. Just spleened out.
00:51:53
You need to spleen yourself. You better spleen yourself to me, right? Just spleen yourself.
00:51:57
No, it's one of those stories that I think everyone knows the first three paragraphs of from like Snopes or whatever.
00:52:04
Or from fucking Reddit. But the like weird details of it. And the people like this guy who are still trying to fucking figure it out.
00:52:12
Who I think are going to be disappointed when they find out. Well, also, I think it's the fear.
00:52:17
I think the interest is everyone has the fear. What if for some reason you died and no one could figure out who you were?
00:52:24
That's so cool. Sad, weird thing that would be. Oh, I think it's cool. Yeah. I think to me, like in, it sounds like what's,
00:52:36
it's true that he impregnated this woman. He came to confront her somehow. Who knows how he knew her,
00:52:45
why she said she didn't know him. Those things are suspicious to me. Whatever happened was a bummer
00:52:51
and he went and killed himself or drank himself to death or some fucking thing and died there.
00:52:57
Yeah. And she, it's just weird that she wouldn't admit to knowing him. Maybe she didn't want scandal of being pregnant.
00:53:04
Oh yeah. Out of wedlock. I don't know. It's fascinating. The Summer, Summer Tin Man?
00:53:10
What's the actual name of it? The name of the whole case is the Tommen Shude. But he's being called the what man?
00:53:19
Somerton Man. Because that's the beach he was found on. Somerton Man. Okay. Somerton Beach.
00:53:22
And I feel like if I ever did a corrections corner, I'd have a lot of them for next fucking week.
00:53:28
Hey, come on over to the corner. We have a great time over here. Welcome. Who cares?
00:53:37
Okay, we're back. Do you have any case updates for the Somerton Man? I do. And as I said in 2017,
00:53:43
there are also corrections. So here we go. In 2018, using the strands of hair that were pulled from the Somerton man's plaster bust,
00:53:52
Derek Abbott and Dr Colleen Fitzpatrick were able to finally extract a DNA sample which is like so fascinating By 2022 they had used this sample to painstakingly build out a family tree with more than 4 people on it
00:54:05
before landing on what they believe is the Somerton man's name, Carl Webb, which they have a fucking name finally.
00:54:14
And I guess he goes by Charles. Abbott and Dr. Fitzpatrick theorized that Webb, who was from Melbourne and worked as an electrical engineer,
00:54:21
came to South Australia to find his ex-wife, Dorothy Jean Robertson, after she fled their home.
00:54:27
According to their divorce papers, he was moody, violent, and wrote many poems about death,
00:54:33
claiming it was his greatest desire. But there are still many questions, including how he died.
00:54:38
It's still unclear if his death was a suicide, natural causes, or foul play. This just sounds
00:54:43
like one of the historical fictions that I love to read, like, say what happened. I love this.
00:54:49
It's just fascinating. I mean, it's super weird that a person would be judged by the terrible poetry they write in life.
00:54:55
That's not fair. If you're a violent man, that's what you get. Well, that's very true.
00:55:00
The rest of his history belies something different. But writing bummer poetry doesn't really dictate who you are as a person.
00:55:08
And then back in 2021, as Fitzpatrick and Abbott were still building out the family tree,
00:55:12
Adelaide authorities exhume the Somerton man's body while conducting their own separate investigation into his identity.
00:55:17
But it's unclear where the police investigation stands as of May 2025. And in any case, the police released a statement acknowledging their identification with a spokesperson emphasizing that the department was, quote, still actively investigating the Somerton man coronial matter.
00:55:34
So some people don't believe it. Some people are skeptics. But he is identified.
00:55:39
They're saying. Yeah. They're saying he's not. Yeah. I think that maybe they're still investigating his death, but they agree that that's who it is.
00:55:46
OK. I don't know. And then also a minor correction, Professor Derek Abbott did not marry the daughter of Nurse Jo, Kate, which I'm like, we love that piece, I think.
00:55:55
Yeah. He married Robin's daughter, Rachel Egan. So there's still romance happening in the Somerton Man story, which is exciting.
00:56:02
Yeah, that's good. All right. So we now know who he is. Yeah. I mean, at least like a years, decades long mystery is solved.
00:56:10
Yeah. Satisfying. If that is who he is. Yeah, definitely. All right. Let's get into Karen's story, one of your famous cult stories, the Bhagwan Sri Rajneesh.
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Absolutely. Mine's weird this week. And this is the one I've been working on for so many weeks.
00:59:05
And I can never figure out how to put it together. It's like such a long- Ted Bundy.
00:59:11
Involved thing. No. No, it's weird. Okay. It's the Bhagwan Sri Rajneesh and the Rajneesh Purim community that they set up in Central Oregon in the early 80s.
00:59:25
I know some of those words. All right. Let me walk you through it. Oh my God, I'm excited.
00:59:29
Just a tiny bit. And it's not, there's not an actual murder. It's attempted murder.
00:59:33
But the whole thing is so crazy. And it's a story. It's a new story. I remember standing in front of the TV watching and listening to my parents get super weirded out because essentially what happened was this.
00:59:49
So the Bhagwan Sri Rajneesh was born in 1931 as Chandra Mohan Jain J Um and he began his career as a philosophy professor in India And in the 60s he traveled throughout India as a public speaker
01:00:07
And he was a critic of socialism. He was a critic of Gandhi and institutionalized religions.
01:00:13
He often spoke against Jesus, calling him both a salesman and a madman. and he transitioned from professor to guru when he noticed there's a lot of money to be made off
01:00:25
of unhappy wealthy westerners that would come to india searching for spiritual meaning in their
01:00:31
lives amen so he soon he built a thriving enterprise um with his lectures and group
01:00:38
therapies he was pro materialism what yeah he was like change he was the change it up guru so he was
01:00:44
I just see the meme of him like sitting on fire and it just changed it up with his big weird eyes.
01:00:53
He was pro materialism. He was, I said, anti-organized religion. And he was an advocate for a more open attitude toward human sexuality.
01:01:02
Yeah, he was. He was. I mean, if he could only see Tumblr today, he would be so proud of the leaps and bounds.
01:01:09
To me, that's him saying you have to fuck me. Well, that's exactly right. Well, he got he became known as the sex guru in the press, which his argument was I've written two books on human sexuality and 38 books on meditation.
01:01:26
But you call me the sex guru because he's he was all about how Westerners were so puritanical and stuffy.
01:01:32
He's clearly never just fucking watched Bob's Burgers and drank a glass of wine, which is like sometimes better than sex.
01:01:38
I mean, I mean, it could be argued, but, but he was doing things like he was getting his little groups together. And then suddenly the idea was maybe you're so, you're so pent up about your sex that maybe people need to have sex in front of me so that we all stop being so pent up about sex. It's basically this, this whole thing is the study in, you know, ultimate power corrupts up, absolute power corrupts up. Absolutely.
01:02:06
get it wrong beautiful words it's the easiest saying to remember because it's the same words
01:02:12
at the beginning and the end and i still got it wrong absolute power corrupts absolutely so
01:02:16
also he had millions of dollars in unpaid taxes so he had to get the fuck out of india how did he
01:02:24
have money to begin he was because he was charging all these people to come and be in his classes and
01:02:29
workshops and listen to his him giving these speeches um learn how to meditate yoga hadn't
01:02:35
been a thing yet so they were learning about yoga was like the secret you know amazing practice
01:02:40
how cool would it be to like for like i have a couple thousand bucks but to be millions in
01:02:45
fucking debt like you are living your best life hells yeah you know what i'm saying yeah because
01:02:51
you're beyond yeah you're not like you don't live in a fucking hovel no no not at all i want to owe
01:02:57
millions you will someday thank you um so what they did was they decided they're going to leave
01:03:03
India and come to America. And so the plan is that he's going to build a utopian city
01:03:09
for himself and 2,000 of his followers in South Central Oregon. Yes, it makes perfect sense to me
01:03:18
too. Well, so it's not South Central Oregon is empty. They were basically three hours east of
01:03:25
Salem, east and south of Salem. So they were in this kind of central valley that was super empty.
01:03:30
It was just a bunch of ranches and a lot of the ranches had fallen into disrepair.
01:03:36
So they were, they were, it was almost like a desert ish situation because they had just like over grazed the fields and stuff like that.
01:03:46
It was all very Brown and kind of shitty. Oh yeah. So thanks guys. Right. So they move in and the plan was they're going to build housing compounds, warehouses and support buildings so that their business enterprises that were once based in India could move to South Central Oregon.
01:04:03
And they initially applied for a permit to build housing for 90 people. But soon they they moved there and the numbers were in the hundreds immediately.
01:04:15
and um when he arrived the Bhagwan Sri Rajneesh um he came to America and he was
01:04:24
on a three he was doing a three-year silent uh I don't know meditation or whatever he wasn't talking
01:04:32
um and so his voice was a woman named Ma Anand um Sheila her real name was Sheila Patel she came
01:04:41
from a very wealthy family in India. And she was kind of like his right-hand man.
01:04:47
And so she made the deal to buy the big muddy ranch right outside of Antelope in Oregon.
01:04:55
And she was soft-spoken and charming. And she hosted a dance in the nearby town of Madras
01:05:02
where cowboys partied until dawn. She curried favor buying 50 head of cattle from the Waskow County Commissioner,
01:05:08
even though the commune was vegetarian. You know, she was like making deals, kissing babies.
01:05:15
And she basically closed the deal so that they could build their farming commune.
01:05:21
But what she didn't know was that Oregon had very strict state zoning laws that really limited how many people and buildings could be erected onto ranch land based on the amount.
01:05:35
So as this development grew they kept having to apply for more building permits and they kept going to the politicians and saying oh you know we just a farming commune but we need more living quarters for the workers because there so much abused rangeland that we need more people to help us fix it And the problem was that they were basically a bunch of rich
01:06:09
like college-educated, well-off, kind of, like it was pre-yuppie, it was early yuppie.
01:06:18
It was like post-hippie, pre-yuppie. Yeah, they were the people that eventually became yuppies that were like oh we don't have to live on the commune we can just go to yoga classes
01:06:29
but at that time they were kind of like they had the hangover from the 60s of like the whole hippie
01:06:36
thing had fallen apart yeah and then the vietnam war bummed everybody out and that's why a lot of
01:06:41
people went to india in the first place to be like what the fuck is life like what is anybody doing
01:06:45
suddenly taxes were for them were fucking nothing what do you mean like they had reagan so taxes for
01:06:53
rich. Oh, right. Nothing. And they were doing things like, yeah, they had, they were rich. So
01:06:58
they would sell their Porsche and send their money to the ranch. Um, and then go live there.
01:07:05
Um, and they didn't, they just worked for free. So it was like, they were giving all their
01:07:09
materialistic, um, stuff. They were like, well, I'm going to help out and that's going to make
01:07:15
me feel better spiritually. And then they can kind of escape like the structured world of taxes and
01:07:21
having a job and all that stuff they're going to put their whole life into this commune with the
01:07:25
safety net of knowing that they could fucking leave it at any point if they wanted to yeah
01:07:29
because their parents still live in a really nice house in like marina del rey or whatever
01:07:32
um they all had to wear red pink red or maroon clothing and when they joined up like this was
01:07:41
the change they would i can't i can't there's a word for it joining up is not it but like they
01:07:46
would go through like something and then initiation it's like an initiation the bagua shiraj niche
01:07:52
would put a mandala around their neck which is a beaded wooden necklace that would have a big
01:07:58
picture of that of him um on the on it and so they were like all the so all these people wearing red
01:08:05
with these wooden bead necklaces suddenly start showing up in central oregon and if you've ever
01:08:12
been to anywhere like this or even central california it's like a little strip of arkansas
01:08:19
right here on the west coast like it's very farm it's very republican it's very conservative
01:08:25
it's it's um people who live far away from other people they like things their way and they don't
01:08:32
want a bunch of fucking weirdo rich hippies in red clothing coming into their town 30 40 80 at a time
01:08:39
and that's exactly what was happening so it's kind of awesome because and they were all wearing red
01:08:45
so and like with shit in their hair and like and they weren't it wasn't a hippie thing like they
01:08:51
weren't like drugged out like hey peace love they were kind of like trying to trying to take over
01:08:57
a little bit did you see did you watch the leftovers i did i like the first i'd say the
01:09:01
first seven episodes of like the people in the white clothing that were like the smoking yeah
01:09:06
Yes. It sounds like that to me. Yeah. Just so creepy where they kind of like, when you see
01:09:12
there's tons of great documentaries about this whole thing and there's great footage,
01:09:16
but it's, there is a lot of that. Like there's a little of the leftover in like dancing in
01:09:22
Golden Gate park, like ecstatic dancing and group kind of hangouts and stuff, but it's so much more.
01:09:30
There's so much more of a business aspect. You can tell that they're trying to monetize
01:09:35
spirituality. Well, the difference between a 70s cult and an 80s cult is so probably so fucking
01:09:40
different. Yeah, for sure. And this one had that thing of like, they just started showing up in
01:09:45
droves and freaking locals out badly. Sure. And in their weird red clothing. And they were kind of
01:09:52
like, even the one documentary I was watching, the guy who now is probably in his like late 60s,
01:09:58
70s, gray hair, like clearly not in it anymore. But so they were just aggressive because they were
01:10:04
just so quick to be like, well, you, you were racist or you were against our religion or you
01:10:09
were anti, you know, you were xenophobic or whatever. It's like, yeah, maybe except for that.
01:10:15
If you were starting a commune with 90 people, that's one thing. But basically it, they ended
01:10:20
up having 2000 followers on this ranch. And you infiltrated the town. They infiltrated the town,
01:10:26
Antelope and Madras, where they're like kind of their two closest towns. And so basically what
01:10:31
happened is instead of it being a small commune, they, it turned into this big thing and they had
01:10:36
to keep going to the city and applying for more permits and more permits and saying, we need it
01:10:41
for this. We need, oh, sorry, we didn't realize and we just need it for this. And so the city had to
01:10:45
start going, no, like, this is crazy. You, this, this land is not zoned for you guys to start a
01:10:51
city essentially. And the, at first they were trying to be, they didn't want to come off as like
01:10:59
hicks and like people who are like against outsiders. They didn't want to come off bad.
01:11:05
Also them coming there, they actually did the thing that they were saying. They were building,
01:11:11
they built a dam. They brought the water table up. Like the whole, the entire valley that they
01:11:17
lived in became bright green. When you see these, it's kind of amazing. These helicopter shots
01:11:23
of the area and it's like bright green and they have like or they started organic farming so it's
01:11:30
like kind of a mass organic farming where um somebody in this documentary was saying
01:11:36
once they had everything built up and there was like a main street and there was um there was a
01:11:41
mall they had a mall they had restaurants oh my god they would give tours to locals like you can
01:11:45
come and see what we're doing we're not like trying to be hide anything that in the around
01:11:51
to Central Oregon, they'd be like, the only good place to eat is as Rajneeshpuram was
01:11:56
the name of the town. Wow. Or, you know, would eventually... They tried to make it.
01:12:00
into a town people would go there to eat because it was like really good organic food it was kind
01:12:05
of like the original the original um farm to table yeah situation but they were doing it with this um
01:12:13
uh it was a culty version of it essentially um because they still did you know and he also
01:12:21
the Bhagwan Sri Rajneesh would just come out and sit there but he wasn't talking so he wasn't like
01:12:27
preaching or saying anything to anybody, they would like, and sometimes he just wouldn't come
01:12:33
out at all. Like, so he, when he first got there, he would make appearances, but then after a while,
01:12:38
he just wasn't doing it. And basically there was just a bunch of people like manual labor,
01:12:44
farming and doing shit for free and dedicating their whole life to like building up this,
01:12:50
what eventually was becoming a city. That's what I was thinking is I bet the locals would be so
01:12:55
much more stoked if you are bringing in jobs but you're not you're just higher you know everyone
01:12:59
who just is a fucking cult member is doing it for you the people it was good for were people that
01:13:06
owned backhoes and like big like caterpillar earth movers there was a couple people it was
01:13:11
good for but not on the whole no on the whole it was like and and the other problem was so they
01:13:17
they wanted these permits they wanted to keep expanding and they started get being told no
01:13:23
So they started infiltrating like the local government. So they would go in and like demand, they would demand to see permits or files or papers at the Wasco County Courthouse.
01:13:36
And there's two people that work there because it's like a courthouse in the middle of nowhere in this county that doesn't have that many people.
01:13:43
And 40 of them would go down and be like, we demand to see it. So it started, it started off very aggressive.
01:13:50
and and of course made it was already like you're all wearing red and jumping around and now you're
01:13:55
like we want to see this we want to do this then they have um they have elections and they end up
01:14:02
electing a bunch of the rajneeshies as they're called on to onto the city council or onto the
01:14:08
whatever county whatever it would be a county people county group um so that they suddenly now
01:14:16
are the ones that are, because they're trying to get their people in so that they get told yes.
01:14:21
Because what they want to do, they really did want to build a city and they wanted to bring
01:14:24
more and more people there. And they're starting to make serious money. And the other reason they
01:14:30
said that they had the tours is because they want to make sure parents who like those rich parents
01:14:35
were talking about could come and see where their children were and what they were dedicating their
01:14:41
life to. There wasn't some secret cult that they could come and shop in the mall and buy a bunch
01:14:46
of red clothes if they wanted to or eat their organic pizza or whatever and that everything
01:14:51
was chill and then they'd dance around ecstatically there'd be discos there was like a whole thing
01:14:56
and then they'd leave going i guess it's fine and keep on giving them the money and they were making
01:15:02
a shit fucking ton of money now the other thing was that the bhagwan shri rajneesh um said when he
01:15:09
he went into silence and he put that woman ma anand sheila uh who was also known as sheila
01:15:17
silverman because she was from india but she had married um an american um here and she you know was
01:15:25
uh an american citizen i guess um ma anand sheila who everyone called sheila she was in charge and
01:15:33
then he had four other women beneath her and they ran the entire city and his he the Bhagwan
01:15:41
Sri Rajni said he wanted a city run by women and he wanted like strong strong um women to be in
01:15:48
power and what would a city look like if women if it was a matriarchy basically um so everyone's
01:15:54
kind of like into that idea because what harm could there be if it and they had these women
01:15:58
that were the tour guides that when you went there to see the cult your child had just moved
01:16:03
too and started wearing all red clothes. It would be all these beautiful, they call themselves the
01:16:07
Twinkies and they would guide you around and be like, here's the, look, here's the mall and here's
01:16:12
this and I'm really pretty and we're all great and we eat lettuce all the time and everything's good.
01:16:16
That's our fucking tour, the Twinkie tour. So it's just all, uh, they're trying to make sure people have positive, it's positive PR all the time.
01:16:26
the problem is that the Jonestown cult yeah and the Jonestown massacre had only happened three
01:16:34
years before so aside from locals being locals and not being that into a bunch of hippie weirdos
01:16:42
coming into their town um everybody the press everybody was scared of anything like that
01:16:48
happening in America and it was close to San Francisco where Jonestown started right uh yeah
01:16:54
I mean, it, it was relatively not like a plane flight away, a long car ride away, but still,
01:17:01
but yes, closer than other places. And yes, that's where you could drive up the five and get there.
01:17:10
But yes, I mean, it's that sensitivity of however many people died at Jonestown, 800,
01:17:16
something like that. Hundreds that they're not going to just let a bunch of people, you know, getting super
01:17:23
into this one religion and starting a city about it because it's also the thing of the separation
01:17:28
of church and state right and that idea of like what's actually behind this um the other thing too
01:17:35
uh was that they were making so much money that the baghwan tree rajneesh one of his favorite
01:17:42
things was rolls royces and so by 1984 he had the largest private collection of rolls royces in
01:17:49
america he had 94 holy fuck who the fuck and that was his pro materialism thing it didn seem like other people got to be very materialistic though because i don think they were getting paid to like fucking run those backhoes and like run entire huge lettuce farms or whatever um you don fucking buy 94 uh rolls races with fucking lettuce farms no no there
01:18:14
some serious cash getting stacked that he gets to spend um so his thing was he they were because the
01:18:22
the relationship between the citizens of central Oregon and the Rajneeshies was getting,
01:18:30
you know, heated, heated, let's say. He no longer was doing, making appearances. So what he would do
01:18:38
was get into one of his many Rolls Royces and drive. And so he would just drive down the road
01:18:44
and all the Rajneeshies would line up in their weird clothes and they would jump and stand and
01:18:49
clap and sing and whatever. And he would drive by and wave to them and drive with no hands. He would
01:18:55
do his hands and prayer hands and then bow to them as he was driving down the thing. And that was the
01:19:01
really famous, like, that's what I remember as like, you know, a 12 year old or whatever.
01:19:05
Is there a video of this? Oh yeah. You can watch all this on YouTube. Holy shit.
01:19:08
It's pretty amazing. And they, and they showed it on the news all the time. Cause it was this thing
01:19:13
that was like, Oh, this is an interesting starting up in, up in central Oregon. And then it was like,
01:19:18
hey have you seen this lately well then after a while their their side of things say that they
01:19:23
tried to have a festival and the local authorities said you can't have a festival unless you have a
01:19:29
security force and so they started walking around with uzis so when the he would go to do his drive
01:19:37
there would be two dudes with like all the red clothes but then with like berets to the side
01:19:43
carrying uzis as they were walking are fucking always bad berets are not a good sign no dude so
01:19:48
so they basically have their own security force and it was serious enough where they got trained
01:19:55
at the state police um academy they went off and got trained as a security force and came back
01:20:02
that makes me feel better though i mean yeah they call themselves a peace force because you need uzis when you're a fucking peace force i mean now the other thing is they
01:20:12
were getting threatened a lot okay of course you know a lot of letters a lot of phone calls
01:20:17
and they owned a hotel in portland that got bombed that got firebombed so once the fire
01:20:25
bombing started happening there was more and more guns that and like the the security force thing
01:20:30
kind of came up more and more did anyone die in that because i wonder if they did themselves to
01:20:34
like be like to get sympathy or like get a reason to get those guns well they actually would use the
01:20:40
negative press when they when they would um like something like that anything where it showed that
01:20:45
the locals or people of oregon were like after them because there were protesters that would be
01:20:50
on the city they would be like get the hell out of town yeah um they would take that footage and
01:20:55
send it to the other um i want to say ashrams but i don't know if that's the right word their other
01:21:01
hangouts around the country and around the world yeah um sex sex sex i wonder if those they would
01:21:11
send that footage so that and then go look how we're being attacked and they would send them
01:21:15
money but i wonder if those protesters were fucking ashram dudes oh even i like it like so
01:21:22
they're just propaganda yeah could be i believe in nothing but i think that people were super
01:21:27
I'm sure. Get the fuck out of here. Like, what are you guys doing? Yeah. So, but here's where they went wrong.
01:21:32
There was a big important vote coming up. So they started busing in homeless people from all around the country to come and live at the Rajneeshpuram in the city.
01:21:45
They were saying that they were doing it for their spiritual life and because they wanted them to.
01:21:50
But these were all just homeless people that they were finding on the streets. And these people would get there and they'd be given clothes.
01:21:55
and be given three hots and a cot and be like, hey, you can go work on the lettuce farm
01:22:01
and have something to do. And it's sad. There's guys that like talk to the cameras
01:22:06
and be like, yeah, there's nothing for me out there. I might as well be here and actually have something to do.
01:22:10
And like, I don't have to worry about getting stabbed on the street. Sure. So they ended up busing in 4,000 homeless people.
01:22:18
Holy fuck. So that in the next Wasco County election, they basically take start to take over politics and um what ends up happening is the people that
01:22:31
were in place you know the people that were already the county supervisors or whatever they
01:22:35
are did this thing where when everybody showed up to vote that day they said if you are newly
01:22:40
registered to vote you we're putting a like a ban on your vote and you and we were taking this to
01:22:47
court. That's not how that works. Well, but you can do, I guess there's some, some circumstance
01:22:53
they were like pulling out an old law or whatever, like saying you can vote, but you have to first go
01:22:58
to this trial and like be at a hearing to prove that you're here to vote, that you're really a
01:23:03
citizen of this city because they knew exactly what they were doing. And so then they tried to
01:23:09
turn it into this woman, Sheila tried to be like, I'm voting for you. This is because a lot of these
01:23:14
people were like Vietnam vet. Yeah. Homeless people. I mean, they were the people that like
01:23:19
had been screwed over truly by society. And so conceptually, it was a really nice idea.
01:23:26
But once that happened, and of course, nobody was going to go to the hearing. Nobody was going to go
01:23:32
sit there and be talk to a judge about how they yes, they were here and they were really a citizen
01:23:37
and blah, blah, blah. So, so few of them went that, and like 95% of the locals showed up to vote,
01:23:45
you know, highest voting turnout ever for the actual locals that none of the Rajneeshis won anything.
01:23:53
And it went completely in favor of the locals Oops Yeah Well then they just dump all these homeless guys Most of them went to Portland but they just sent them out of town and dumped them in just like close by
01:24:11
in like local places of like, well, here you go. Didn't work, bye. Yeah. And that's when it all
01:24:16
started to fall apart where it was like, yeah, all of this, like you could say that you're doing
01:24:20
this for the spirituality, that would be a beautiful thing. If there's a place for people
01:24:24
to go who are homeless, who are on the streets and have nowhere to go, but this is clearly not a
01:24:29
charity or anything. You're not going to let these people come here and stay. You were clearly using them.
01:24:35
Yeah. That sucks. And yeah, once that vote didn't turn out the way they wanted it to, it all got exposed.
01:24:42
the other thing that happened was that they went to um check on the housing the the local sheriff
01:24:52
went to check on the housing for these people because there was kind of like a tent city they
01:24:56
didn't have enough like building housing for them because there's so many yeah but they did have um
01:25:01
tent like tent housing that they used during their festivals and so the sheriff was going up there to
01:25:07
make sure that there was like proper housing for that many people and when they got up there there
01:25:12
was like a huge caterpillar earth mover that was blocking the entire road and the sheriff had to
01:25:19
basically turn around and go back to town so they were like actual caterpillar and i got so excited
01:25:23
james and the giant peach oh but a caterpillar that huge though great go on sorry that's upsetting
01:25:32
i know how cute would that be it would be all like furry um so anyway they basically are like
01:25:39
we got to call in higher ups this is crazy and something's really happening yeah so um
01:25:45
sorry i have to get to my page so they have officials um from around the county go and
01:25:55
visit and be like what the hell is going on and while they were there uh i'm trying to find the
01:26:02
name um can you while you're looking yes can you imagine so the governor of was it the governor of
01:26:11
san francisco who went to jonestown to check on everyone yeah i don't think he was the governor
01:26:16
i may he was something yes he was a big wig so he shows up to check on his citizens who had moved
01:26:25
to Jonestown and he ends up getting shot and killed by, which triggered and started off the
01:26:33
Jonestown massacre. Can you imagine, and that was three years before, those fucking city officials
01:26:39
being like, we're looking into this shit. How terrifying must that be? Yes. And a lot of them
01:26:45
talk about it. It's really an interesting thing worth watching because they were so scared.
01:26:50
At first they were scared to look like racists and to look like people that were just rejecting
01:26:55
people out of hand. But then after a while, they knew that they couldn't, like, they knew that this
01:27:01
had turned into a thing that there was beyond just them, like going in and arresting people,
01:27:05
that that was not possible. And the sheriff, um, who at the time, I mean, like now he's aged very
01:27:13
well because now he must be like in his late sixties. And at the time he was like in his thirties
01:27:17
and he was like, someone goes, well, are they like a person from the press goes, are they blocking
01:27:22
the road and he goes, well, I don't know if they're blocking it, but I mean, it's blocked. So I guess
01:27:26
we'll just go like, they're absolutely not trying to be in conflict with these people. But at this
01:27:32
point, it's like a welfare check. Yes, exactly. Like they're trying to say, yeah, we just want
01:27:37
to make sure everything is kind of what it's what you're claiming it is. Yeah. Well, then Sheila
01:27:41
shows up and she's like, she's like kind of in everybody's face. It's pretty interesting too.
01:27:47
when you see her, she gets interviewed a couple of times and she actually picks up her hand and
01:27:52
points into the face of the interviewer or into the camera where it's like, what are you doing?
01:27:58
Yeah. Like if this is also chill and spiritual, but you can tell she's like, it turned into like,
01:28:04
yeah, we're like, you're fighting for your commune, but after a while, that's not really
01:28:07
what's happening. This is a power move and a power grab. Like they're trying to take over,
01:28:12
like they want they want they want the state for themselves or they want the area for themselves
01:28:18
okay so anyway um i can't find this guy's name basically basically the um fuck the oh i don't
01:28:31
have the name but it's three county commissioners so they went to tour the ranch and while they were
01:28:36
there they were given glasses of water and when they get home they become seriously ill come on
01:28:45
and they had been poisoned with salmonella holy fuck but they can't prove that it like they can't
01:28:51
prove it like they get very ill and then they're just kind of out and then so that they can't go
01:28:56
to work then uh it took them a full year to to like tie it all back and get all the proof then
01:29:03
around central and southern Oregon there are reported 751 cases of salmonella and people
01:29:18
45 people were hospitalized there were no fatalities but all of these people got it
01:29:25
like one after the other and it turned out that Rajneeshies were going out to restaurants
01:29:32
and sprinkling salmonella onto salad bars and putting it into salad dressing. How do you get salmonella to sprinkle?
01:29:42
I don't know. In my mind, like you have to wring out a steak into a fucking... I mean, they had the setup that they had on these farms and these ranches.
01:29:52
I mean I could not tell you but they figured it out And I mean like they could have had like labs or other things on these farms I not sure All they know is that they were that these salad bars were poisoned
01:30:06
And the idea was that they were going to keep voters from. Right. Okay. It was the idea.
01:30:13
Jesus. And then the, the last thing that happened, which I think is kind of amazing is a Rajneesh.
01:30:21
she named Ma Anand Pooja heard that politician James Kamini was at St. Vincent Hospital.
01:30:33
So she went there and the idea was that she was going to inject a deadly mixture into his
01:30:40
intravenous tube that would stop his heart. Holy fuck. But when she arrived and got into his hospital room, she saw that he didn't have an intravenous
01:30:51
hookup that he was just laying in the bed. So she just panicked and turned around and left.
01:30:57
But the plan was, they later found out when they raided the place and got all the secret documents and everything,
01:31:04
that the plan was they were going to kill him. Oh my God. Yeah. So basically this was Sheila's plan
01:31:10
to take over Oregon. So where is she now? She fucking fled. She fled to West Germany.
01:31:17
Oh dear. Oh, actually, when the cops finally got in, the ultimate plan was they were going to put poison into Oregon's water supply.
01:31:31
And people, they also had all of the rooms bugged at the ranch. And they had like files on Rajneeshis in the ranch.
01:31:40
So they weren't only going to do harm to outsiders. They also were like keeping people in line and doing weird shit within the ranch.
01:31:48
Like there was a lot of crazy shit going on. The Bhagwan Sri Rajneesh, she basically left.
01:31:57
He came out and like agreed with the, like cooperated with the authorities, told him everything, broke his three year silence.
01:32:05
and then basically tried to get onto a plane and he tried to flee by Learjet. A plane came in and it was a big enough place
01:32:19
where they could land a plane. And then they got off. There was the flight plan.
01:32:23
They were going to refuel in Charlotte, North Carolina, and then they were going to go back, I guess, to India.
01:32:30
But in Charlotte, they landed and the cops arrested him. And they deported him because the whole time he was on a visa that had expired long ago.
01:32:40
Then they found her and she served three years of a sentence before she was deported off of U.S. soil.
01:32:51
And the Bhagwan Sri Rajneesh died in 1990. The camp was converted into a Christian camp.
01:32:59
So it's legit now. Yeah, but then in 1996, it was destroyed by fire, and all of the structures were destroyed.
01:33:07
Damn it, that'd be so cool to do a live episode from there. Oh my God, could you imagine? We drive up to that lake.
01:33:13
But also, just to keep your eyes peeled, because he eventually, before he died, he changed his name to Osho, which is actually a Japanese honorific.
01:33:27
honorific it's um and so if you see quotes on the internet for from osho it's actually the
01:33:34
baguan tree shut the fuck up yeah just so you know it's not some some wise japanese sage from
01:33:39
long ago does he quote shit on the internet what does he do yeah you see quotes from osho all the
01:33:43
time and it's that stuff of like you know um you know we are here for a short amount of time it's
01:33:49
all it's like shit i've said it's i mean it's just it's just that stuff of like you know so he's
01:33:56
still practice like he's dead but he's like because he changed his name he doesn't have the
01:34:01
right fucking cults man cults dude my fave they're so good anyway that's mine i love it no one died
01:34:09
my apologies no they tried they tried and they they really tried they tried hard also the locals
01:34:16
tried too there was lots of like bad bumper stickers that were like gun sites with you know
01:34:21
it was not a good time in the early 80s in central oregon heard about that that's so cool
01:34:25
It was crazy. Oh, we're supposed to talk about one thing that was good. Sweet. Okay.
01:34:33
Let's tell each other. I think yours is that you bought your niece fucking Doc Martens for Christmas.
01:34:37
Don't do mine for me. So we can do a fight at the positive part? Okay, well, then mine is that you bought your fucking niece Doc Martens,
01:34:46
because that's the coolest thing I've ever heard in my life. That was a pretty good one.
01:34:49
Yeah. Let's not do it anymore. I mean, we have to think this hard about. We just take a second.
01:34:58
Yeah. Well, let's give up. I don't know. Life is good. There was something while we were talking that I thought of and then I'm like, don't sidebar it again.
01:35:17
What? I can't remember. I wish I should have written it down. We should take notes during the week and we should take notes while we're talking.
01:35:25
We should treat this like a fucking thing. I don't know, though. I know. Should we?
01:35:28
I mean, it's working. It's working. We're even well. Oh, my God. There's so many things in my life that are good and I just can't remember one of them.
01:35:37
I guess that I'm moving into a fucking real apartment. Yeah, that's fun. Like a grown up person.
01:35:41
We just got an apartment and I'm scared, but it's exciting. Yeah, that's very exciting.
01:35:46
You know what? the thing this week that I'm happy about I'm going to have a dishwasher. What's yours?
01:35:52
Oh fuck yeah. It's fucking Real Detectives. Oh yeah. That's it. Sorry. No I was happy for you.
01:36:00
there's a new, there's not, it's not a new show actually. It just, the first season is on Netflix,
01:36:05
but the second season I think is on regular TV if you DVR it. Um, and someone tweeted us and said,
01:36:12
thanks so much for the recommendation of real detective. I love it. And I'm obsessed with it.
01:36:16
We never, we didn't give that recommendation. You're welcome. But it's this suit. Here's why I love it. It's like I survived, but it's first person from the
01:36:27
guy who solved the crime and it is they're like you love them you're so in love with them
01:36:34
they're so like low-key manly but but super haunted because there's these cases that you're
01:36:42
like are the cases really good oh my god they're incredible and there are there like
01:36:47
real photo like crime scene photos no there's really good reenactments is that a thing really good reenactment it is because they actually there's actors you recognize
01:36:59
that are in these reenactments that's fun and they do it in a way where you're just it's kind
01:37:03
it's similar to um i don't know any yeah i think crime to remember is the only one that has really
01:37:09
good reenactments it's similar to that but it's less um artistic and more down to business of like
01:37:15
the guy tells you this is how it was for me and then you see him do the thing i'm into i'm into
01:37:19
actors that I know and not ones that I'm like, oh God, you're struggling and you got paid $110
01:37:25
for this reenactment. Right. No, this is very cool. And also it's because it's from, I just,
01:37:30
there's something about a homicide detective that's just like insanely, it's just pure.
01:37:38
They're my Brad Pitt. I get it. I dig it. Well, it's just bold. It's like, what a hard job. Totally. What a horrible job. Totally. Yeah. Pretty cool. God bless them.
01:37:49
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01:37:59
Thanks, everybody. We like you guys. We sure do. Stay sexy. And don't get murdered.
01:38:04
Bye bye bye Elvis you want a cookie Oh did that work It did Jesus Bye Bye He's excited about that one.
01:38:17
Oh, I am. He's been waiting. Okay, we're back from Karen's story. Karen, any updates?
01:38:26
I mean, yes. Here's what's weird. I remember doing this story based on Wild Wild Country, the documentary on Netflix.
01:38:34
No, it hadn't come out yet. It hadn't come out. I did it like a year before. That's right.
01:38:38
Which is so crazy. I mean, it's because it was a hometown in that way where the takeover of that town was in the like nightly news in our town because it was Northern California, Oregon.
01:38:49
Yeah. So we were like neighbors. So I guess it doesn't surprise me. It's just this weird kind of 10 years later where I'm like, oh, wait.
01:38:56
Your memory has deceived you. It's just weird. It's all blending together as like, it's almost like, was I trying to think of a story that hadn't had a documentary done yet or something?
01:39:08
Well, I had never heard of it until you did it. So, I mean, it's wild. So crazy.
01:39:13
Okay, so let's see. Obviously, then this documentary we're talking about, it was a Netflix documentary that came out in 2018 called Wild Wild Country.
01:39:21
Definitely watch it if you haven't seen it. It's got unbelievable footage from that time and all the kind of the players.
01:39:28
And you can really see what it looks like when basically the East Oregon countryside just gets invaded and taken over by people who at first are like, we're just hippies and we want to love each other.
01:39:39
And then they arm the shit out of themselves. 8K-47s as far as the eye can see. So since the release of that documentary, survivors of childhood rape at the hands of the cult members have begun to come forward writing articles, posting on social media that the series notably left out their experiences.
01:39:58
Wow. Yeah. So it was a big part of the victimology, I guess, of what happened at this cult. And it didn't get touched on probably because it's like, how do you share the.
01:40:10
Yeah If you there to tell the story of the main lady that poisoned that salad bar it like there so many things happening That the whole story Yeah that should be the whole documentary But we seen many many documentaries that include all the bad stuff
01:40:24
Totally. It's dark as it gets where it's like, why would you be leaving this part out?
01:40:28
That's interesting. So a group of these survivors worked together to create the documentary Children of the Cult,
01:40:34
which was just released last year. And they basically were making it to fill the gaps left by the Wild Wild Country documentary.
01:40:42
so those are you can go see they call him osho in that but it is by guan shri rajneesh i would
01:40:50
like to announce that since this episode or since i moved i haven't lived without a dishwasher
01:40:55
since unless it broke which they do all the time but yeah they do having a dishwasher to me like
01:41:01
we had one as a kid that literally didn't work a day in my life so it was like storage oh yeah
01:41:08
So having a dishwasher to me is like luxury. It's pretty. I would love to cue the moving on up theme song to the Jeffersons right now because that is really what that time felt like.
01:41:18
Yeah. It was like you moved on up into that split level pod loft apartment. Yeah.
01:41:24
And I got myself out of foreclosure. Right. And we really we really were like, yeah, we're going to do this thing.
01:41:31
Yeah. It was like it was tentative where it's like, OK, something good is happening.
01:41:35
It's continuing to happen. So maybe we can take these little steps like I can move out of we can move out of our rent control department.
01:41:42
Yes. Like it's going to be OK. Right. You know what I mean? When I thought I'd like live there forever, it was just those little baby steps that were happening.
01:41:49
Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Dishwashers. So crazy. For everyone. So this episode was originally called the Golden Anniversary episode as our 50th.
01:42:00
But we can name it something different if you're naming it today. We have to call it Sheriff Kilgariff.
01:42:05
That is the funniest fucking thing I've ever heard in my life. Oh, my God. Yeah.
01:42:10
Sheriff Kugarev. That's so funny. But I didn't realize this was the episode where you coined your phrase, how-mever, which is one.
01:42:18
Did you say it before? Who knows? I think it's the first time maybe I heard about it and made me laugh.
01:42:23
And then also we could call it come on over to the corner The corner The corrections corner The corrections corner The place that cozy There no judgment I love that we pretend it a corner and not the whole goddamn house
01:42:37
And not an auditorium. It's every seat in the gigantic theater that is my favorite murder.
01:42:44
That's right. And they're all like in there. No aisle seats. So your knees always hurt.
01:42:48
Yeah. No. You know. No. Well, thanks for listening to another episode of Rewind.
01:42:52
Episode 50 of Rewind. Wow. 50 of these. 50. We'll keep doing them, I guess. Right?
01:42:57
Might as well. Might as well. We're into it now. We're doing it. We're doing it.
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