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This is exactly right. Hello and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia. This is a show where we recap our old episodes and we bring you all new case updates and insights and all the news that's fit to print.
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And this is actually the last episode that we recorded in my old apartment, the OG, my favorite murder studios.
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It's kind of bittersweet. I mean, it was a really it was an era. We talk about it in this episode of how it's the end of an era.
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Definitely. So this episode came out on January 12th, 2017. Let's listen to the intro of episode 51, A Bit of Oblivion.
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It sounds like, um, Scary. Bless the Rains Down in Africa. What's that one? It does.
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Wait. Steven, it's good. What if it has like seven, seven, um, then he's just beatboxing over it?
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Hold on. My favorite murder. Yes. Steven, I love it. How many minutes long is this?
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It just fades out. Sam, put that up on something. My face is burning. I love it.
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I miss making music, so I was just like, oh my gosh. And I'm moving. Of course he did.
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He heard a thing that we wanted, and he's like, not us, but in life. This is why you're going to fucking rule the world.
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I'm very ready. Karen, I'm very confused. Did you guys talk about this before? No, I have no idea what's going on.
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But I wish you could see that from my point of view, how insane that was. Stephen is great.
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Stephen, you've done it. You did it. Stephen, you've really done it. Now, in the breakdown part where you're really kind of getting into it,
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you're really singing. What was going through your head in that part when you're recording it?
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I just, the samba part, and I was like, well, I got to make this an actual cover.
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Yeah. I just kind of vamped on that. I didn't think of inventing new lyrics or anything.
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No, but I'm saying like you did, but you really went for an unextended part where you kind of got emotional at the end.
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Yeah, it's fun. I don't know. I just kind of want to. You just let it out. Yeah.
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You just let out your feelings. Well, thank you so much. I love it. Thanks. Episode 51.
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Play it again. They're going to just make me play it over and over again. Episode 51.
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The one they play it over and over and over again. I just want to like verse after verse after verse,
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or he's just like, I started working for them. And then there's the, there's the like,
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yeah, there's like the breakdown where it's like Elvis is meow. And it's like breaking it down.
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That's good. You're so red right now, Steven, you're the color of your red beanie.
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I love it. It's cute. And I love it. Steven. You're being so quiet. Hey, this is my favorite murder.
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welcome to my favorite murder um what's up hi hi that's karen that's georgia this is my favorite
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murder do you like murder you come to the right place do you not like murder go away give it a
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try oh go give it a try i mean who knows yeah everybody thinks they don't like murder oh my
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god till you hear a real good story about it yeah everyone thinks i hate that when they're like
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you're creepy like murder and like well i have this really interesting story you're like you've
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Everyone fucking loves murder. People love a good story. Come on, man. Don't judge us.
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This is just like Stephen's theme song. Don't judge it until you get all the way through to the emotional.
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Twice. Yeah. You should listen to it twice for sure. Listen to this podcast twice.
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Please. And then stare at us while our face gets red. I was listening to the last episode.
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I don't listen to a lot of episodes anymore because it's just hard. but uh let's listen to the last one just for quality control and i was cleaning the house
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and i just started i had my earphones in and vince was like doing another thing and i just started
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cracking up so loudly at some point something that we talked about and it's like partly it's
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funny but it's also like i'm laughing at how like how fun our friendship is and like these things
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like it's funny to me because i know what's going on and he was like are you okay and i had to take
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got my headphones to me and like I'm laughing at my own podcast sorry have you ever had the thing
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where your podcast starts like uh I I never close windows on my phone correctly so if I'm listening
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to our podcast in the car and then I'll walk in somewhere and then like in the grocery store our
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podcast will start so it's like me and my own podcast standing there trying to press like the
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harder you touch it the more it won't go off yeah that's happened a couple times fun um yeah
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we've all been pretty embarrassed we're all stupid idiots and it's fine look how far we've come
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way to go way to go everybody we did it together so this is episode 51 and my bags are packed
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and I'm ready to go and this is the last episode I mean it doesn matter to anyone like we just voices it matters to us though it does this is the last episode in the place where we have recorded I was going to say filmed recorded 51 episodes Yeah And it going to wherever we do it in your apartment in your new apartment is going
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to have a completely different feel. It's weird. And vibe. As opposed to this beautiful seafoam green, kind of like retro situation that we've been in.
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It's like cozy and homey. there's no like hard angles no i don't know what that means but it's like my apartment that i've
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been in i i can't like normally like you'll do you'll record stuff and you're like my apartment
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or yours like let's go to mine mine's like you'll do it back and forth and you'll go places but this
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is every single fucking except for live ones that's right i've been in this apartment it's
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always been here thank you for that thank you for opening your home like leaving my house
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yeah it works out good in that way yeah i gotta wear and also if we did it at my house it would
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just be 45 seconds every 45 seconds barking well that would then people would make memes of
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your dogs frank and george barking instead of elvis screaming his fucking head off yeah i don't know
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it wouldn't be as good no yeah oh well it's an end of an era it's also 2017 so good like new things
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it's all about new energies liminal space what we've talked about already yeah what can come out
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of being in a totally new spot yeah vibes are involved probably i bet vibes are totally involved
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My good ones, I hope. Well, we'll see. We'll see. And if not, then we'll move. Then you'll have to get a new apartment.
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Fine. Fair. Or move back into this apartment. Oh, my God. I'm sad. I'm going to miss this place.
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Vince proposed to me right there. Shit. Yeah. Take a picture before you go. It wasn't a great proposal, though, so it's okay.
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Should we edit that out? Snip that part out. No. He fucking knows. No, I'm kidding.
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I mean, yeah. No. no no he had fucking he had stomach flu it wasn't a great it's fine all right so i cried you weren't
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in the hot air balloon like you wanted to be well it was basically in a hot air balloon but it was
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oh my god okay hey what's what's uh what's crapping in what uh corner did you watch
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veneno's brothers no it's fucked up it was good was it yeah it was just like a i think an hour
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long thing about the trial and the murder and stuff some people are saying it was amazing
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would you use the word amazing no it was like an extended 2020 episode what new information was
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revealed that i wouldn't have known in 19 what was it 96 um well none oh but you'd look at it
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from a new angle and my my angle that i looked at it from which i thought was interesting is like
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they uh the menendez brothers argued that the dad was molesting them right but then went in like
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this crazy other direction of how the mom was molesting them too and he molested like it got
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crazy but you could you could kind of tell the little part that was actually true in my mind
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yeah and the stuff that they just exaggerated from them trying to play on that and if they had
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just gone with the part that was true which i think maybe the dad was molesting them but they
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were also sociopaths then maybe they wouldn't have gotten such extreme sentences do they that
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was your theory or they talk about it that's my theory oh oh uh did they talk about those wigs at
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all yeah i didn't know for real he had a toupee yeah i didn't know that and he was so young to
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have a toupee one of the brothers who they both just look like they both look like mad magazine
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characters but it was lyle had the toupee right yeah the older brother older brother had toupee
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older brother said he molested the younger brother oh no in court and apologized and when you see
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their faces when they're when supposedly they're telling the truth it's so different when they're
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than when they're lying really that's what i like i would say watch it just for the testimony alone
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okay it's so interesting to see they seem like such creepy fucking narcissistic sociopaths which
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i know everyone hates that we when we use those terms because but they seem creepy and lying and
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it's full of shit until there's this one part that could be true oh okay and then it's like
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like it just resonates where you're looking at it you're going i don't think this person is
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doing the thing he was just doing exactly they're broken all of a sudden and then they're back to
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normal and it's like they're just like lying i mean look i get it would make sense because
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it's one thing like killing your parents uh so that you can have money is one thing but like
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machine gunning down your parents or whatever didn't they have some crazy gun yeah and the
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other thing about that too is that like if they had just done it to their father they might have
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gotten a pretty lenient sentence if they had said like he was molesting us for years and we were
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traumatized right but they like kind of chased down the mom yeah and everyone was like that part
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to them was like how could you kill your mother and so they made up this i think they made up the
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story about the mom molesting them too when really i think they were just pissed off that
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she never cared or did anything about it right it's just really it's it's i mean this is all
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made up shit obviously but yeah it's your theory it's all my theory right right but it's based on
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you've listened to one million podcasts about it and watched a million crime shows about it
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and uh there was also the thing of how that father jose was just a big fucking bully and so it was
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like she was bullied herself but yeah yeah it's ugly the whole thing is there's definitely
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no clear lines except for the fact that yeah you just you can't here's the thing you murder them
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but then you just go on a fucking spending spree yeah I mean they just didn't do anything right
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no not at all um I guess I don like that one because it just greed I hate the greed based ones there a lot that I don of those that I don like until I watch something a little more interesting about them and then like them And this is one of them where I didn give a shit We just happened to catch it and then I liked it
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So it must have been produced kind of well. Yeah. No, it was done really well. It just wasn't one of the Jean Benet ones.
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And we are back. We're back and the song was Africa by Toto. That's right. One of the greats.
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How did we not know that? I mean, a legendary song. Also, it's just so funny. Steven was such a gigantic part of the show.
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And it's so funny looking back on these episodes where it's like, Steven wrote a song for us.
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Or it was just like the third host. Totally. Like we were a little family. Yeah.
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I love you, Steven. We love you, Steven. Also, I want to clarify something. I say in the episode, because we're moving out of the apartment,
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that Vince's proposal was, quote, bad. I don't mean bad. I mean, like, I don't know.
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This is what happens when you record personal conversations and distribute them to the public.
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Essentially, he was supposed to propose. His plan was to propose to me in downtown Las Vegas where we love to hang out.
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And he got. I'm sorry. Are you saying your plan was that he was supposed to propose to you in downtown Las Vegas?
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No, he literally made this plan. We were going to Vegas that evening. He got the stomach flu.
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I had to take him to urgent care. On the way back, he was like sweating and kind of flu. Maybe he was just nervous. But we walk into our apartment and he comes out of the kitchen. And I guess in his mind, he was like, fuck it, I'm just going to do it anyways. And proposed. Then I was not expecting it at all. But I also had been proposed to in the past and it was really romantic and sweet. And it was a terrible relationship. So I kind of was like, maybe this is good luck.
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Yeah. You know? For sure. And it has been. Clearly. Yeah. Well, but those kinds of things, I think, are such a—they're supposed to be this definitive moment.
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And then it's like, oh, here's the background. It's supposed to have this playing and this doing and blah, blah, blah.
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And also, I wonder, if he had the stomach flu, did they give him a shot? Or could he have been a little high on some sort of a medication?
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I don't think so. I don't know. But he was definitely sweating. We're 12 years into our relationship, nine years into our marriage.
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and things are great. Also one of the best weddings I've ever been to to this date.
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Yeah. We made up for it with the wedding, for sure. Also being very timely in this episode
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or it would have been interesting to know back then how this topic of the Menendez brothers
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would just continue on into the future for the next decade for us. Yeah. And like change our minds in a lot of ways too.
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The monsters, the Lyle and Eric Menendez story, which was a limited series. And then the Menendez brother documentary
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I think did change my opinion a lot in this case for a lot of people. And I think you can see that by the fact that they're having a parole hearing at this point to see if they're eligible for parole, which, you know, wasn't at all possible back then.
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So I think it's interesting. I mean, the idea that we really were because of the they call it the monoculture or whatever, we were just fed this kind of very singular story about these two rich brats.
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And they really what they did and then how they acted afterwards, very unsympathetic.
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But then because it was basically on TV. Yeah. Everyone watched it as if it was TV and then formed these opinions or were told their opinion.
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Right. It's weird to look back on that. Yeah. To be able to. I'm glad we have a little more nuance nowadays.
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Yes. To this sort of thing. Or at least that there's just more people in the conversation than whoever's cutting tape at the local news station.
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Totally. And the conversation isn't like it's not the mom knew or the mom didn't know.
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The boys did it or they didn't do it. It's like you can be multiple things. You don't have being a perfect victim isn't actually a thing.
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No. And I'm glad we are acknowledging that these days. And also, I think our opinions from the beginning of this podcast, it was like absolutely very black and white for me.
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Just going in and being like, no, people should, you know, go to jail forever or whatever.
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The kind of things that we would talk about so casually. Yeah. Thinking there was 50 people listening.
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Right. And then really getting educated over the years of like the truth of it. Yeah.
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And the reality and the day-to-day of all of that stuff. I mean, watching that, Chloe Sevigny, her performance in that fucking show Monsters is so amazing.
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It's so good. And then the idea that that could be the truth about that mom. Right.
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Right. Horrifying. Yeah. that show was incredible. All right. Well, should we get into your story?
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Let's do it. Okay. Let's listen to Karen's story about Jennifer holiday. This week,
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I wanted to get back to the thing I like to do the best, which is retail. And I survived,
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which is a first person show that does not use reenactment. Yay. Um, but also this is one of the ones as i was writing this up i realized uh when we've talked in the
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past about how i cannot listen to 911 calls this is the one time that i've listened to a 911 call
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that in it insanely enhanced the story so it wasn't just like some lunatic person screaming
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in panic and like a horror thing that immediately makes you go oh my god everyone's in danger
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it's like the perfect most of the fact that they even have it to run during the story is incredible
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so anyway i'll just tell you what it was this is the this is the attempted murder of jenna
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jennifer holliday and the murder of anna franklin and it happened in uh this is from season two episode six of i survive so anyway i if you haven heard this I love the show I survived it now in reruns I think it on they rerunning it on
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lifetime but you can also get it on something else whatever I think they're also on YouTube
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um but I like to every once in a while remember ones that just stuck with me and talk about them
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uh because I I do love a survivor and I love the first person I do love a first person tale of
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insane horror. Does it make you like calm down a little bit because you know, like whatever
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bad happens, like you can still get back to the person and they're not dead. They're not fucking dead. Yeah. So it's like, okay to be into it.
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Yes, exactly. You're, you're, you're not going straight down like we do at the end of an episode.
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Sometimes we're just like, oh, great. And then they got murdered. Yes, exactly. This is,
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no matter what's happening, you're going, you're still looking at the person. It's like triumphant,
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you know that absolutely and a lot of the time because it's i would say 80 percent women telling
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these stories and they're telling you stories where you're like holy fucking shit and they're
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telling you you know just fine telling you the story of this thing that happened that they
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survived that they've gotten through and they're there to tell you that story yeah like you're like
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i would never get out of a fetal position if this happened to me and they're like yes you would yes
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you absolutely would fucking deal with it and that because that's life and life goes on and
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And everybody does, like, not everybody does this, but the people who experience extreme trauma
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continue to live and sometimes even flourish afterwards. So I like this one too,
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because it's fucking exactly like a 70s horror movie. It is, when you see it and you hear it,
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and I recommend that you watch it. Are they at camp? It's, no. Are they camping?
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No, but kind of close. It's like that feel. So basically it's this. It's May 25th, 2005.
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And Jennifer, sorry, May 29th, 2005. Jennifer Holliday is driving down Highway 69.
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It's just north of Lufkin, Texas with her 17-year-old cousin, Anna Franklin. They're in an SUV going 70 miles an hour.
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And all of a sudden, there's the fucking loudest bang in the world. She doesn't even know what happened.
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they pull there's glass and blood everywhere all of a sudden and they pull over and her cousin
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starts screaming screaming and she looks down and her left arm has been shot she's been shot
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through the window of her car and her left arm is almost severed like um right above the elbow
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holy fuck so her husband her cousin's losing her shit of course and she's and she is an emt
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So she goes super calm and is like, pull out your phone, call 911 right now. You know, basically is like, calm down, stop screaming, whatever.
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What they don't realize is there was a man who was driving next to them and he was the one who shot at them.
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And he pulls over and he walks up to the open driver's side window, reaches in past Jennifer, grabs the phone out of Anna's hand and just tosses it away and he's laughing.
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And she says, right then, she was like, I got real scared. and um uh so he basically uh he backs up he's got a shotgun in his hands and they're and they're
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both just kind of staring at him he like takes a couple steps backwards picks up the shotgun
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and just shoots into the car and jennifer said in in this show she see it's like a tracer where
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she sees the bullet go by her face. Like it just goes right by the front of her face.
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Slow-mo. And shoots Anna in the head and kills her. Fuck. Wait, this is the older chick or the younger one?
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The younger chick gets shot in the head and killed. Fuck. It's her cousin. Oh my God.
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So then he pulls Jennifer out of the car and she's like, what the fuck is going on?
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And her arm's almost blown off. Her arm is like hanging off and he puts her into his car.
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Jesus. And they start driving up the highway. This is a fucking Mary Vincent tale all over again.
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It's fucking, it's insane, but it's also this kind of thing where it's like, you can see it,
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it like shot, you can see it shot all grainy and like eight millimeter where you're like, what the fuck?
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And it's like, when she tells the story, it's like the guy's laughing. It's stuff where you're like, who?
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What state is this or what county? Texas. It's north of Lufkin, Texas. I don't know what the county is.
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What the shit, man. uh we are in what part of texas is apparently it's a big place okay um so they're just driving
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like 90 miles an hour out of town they drive and drive so now she says there's no one around
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there's no lights there's no houses there's no one anywhere oh my god and at one point he pulls
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her out of the car he pulls over pulls her out of the car pulls her into the woods and rapes her
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um then then when he's finally done and he's like ripped all her clothes off and everything
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he does the thing where he's like all of a sudden then he starts crying yeah then he
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looks at her and goes oh my god you're bleeding what happened what and then he starts laughing
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and she realizes okay this person is either on drug like something is seriously fucking wrong
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with this guy and i need to get myself out of here so she fucking comes up with this plan and
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this is the part where we're like this is why you fucking hang in through the commercial and you're
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like what the fuck well this is so interesting too because like it's not like she's just like i don't
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know what this guy's capable of she just she knows her cousin is dead back in the fucking car she
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knows what this dude is capable of there's no like she knows there's no fucking she knows we're in
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we're in complete emergency mode and something must be done yeah and she sees his
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weakness. That's the thing is that a person acting like that, she realizes there could be
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some play here. She could do something about the situation that she's in. So what she starts doing,
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and it's so fucking brilliant is she starts, she's, she, the way she says it, cause she has
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her Texan accent. She's like, I start rubbing up on him and acting like I really like him and saying,
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basically saying, thank you for saving me. And you're so nice. And like being flirty and sweetie.
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and he immediately reacts and is like into it. So she's basically convinces him.
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He didn't attack her. She's treating him like the hero and saying, I can't believe you saved me from that man.
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Thank you so much. Thank you so much. You're my hero. And oh my God, I just want to,
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can we go back to your house? What the fuck? Because she's thinking in her head,
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they're in the, right now they're in the middle of fucking nowhere. There's not a person to be found.
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There's not a light. so at least if he drives her to his house there will be a phone or there will be at least one
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other person or a knife she can fucking stab him some fuck something yeah which is brilliant yes
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she's just like get me out of this spot now and also clearly you're on drugs or something's going
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on with you where you can be manipulated so she fucking goes for it and it works he gets her back
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into the car and he's like i can drive you to my house but here's the thing don't do don't be bad
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and don't do what the bad people do because you'll pay in the sand. And she's like, I won't, I promise.
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Why would I? And she'd be like, I'm so grateful to you. You've helped me so much.
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And then he's like believing what she's saying. Oh my God. And then he would like look at her and be like,
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oh my God, you're covered in blood. She'd be like, I know I need help really badly.
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And so she's basically doing this. They get to his house. He turns down the road into a cemetery.
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Oh fuck. I mean, if you fucking wrote this, it'd be like, change the cemetery part.
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That's crazy. Just go to a house. They're driving into an old cemetery. And she's like, shit, dude.
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She's naked, covered in blood, and like, where are we going? Oh, my God. They go down a hill a little bit, and there's like two trailers on either side, and one of them is his.
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So they go down into this kind of thing past the cemetery, and this is where he lives.
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Sounds chill. so that's where i'm moving i didn't tell you that this is my new apartment that's your new spot
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good good because just for like just to be around shits and gigs man right right good plan so he
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takes her into the house and he actually lets her use the phone no yeah he's like he she's convinced
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him it has worked and he now believes that he helped her oh my god so here's the fucking 911
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one call part. You have to, yes, it is. You have to watch this episode because. Can you play it for
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us? No, dude. She is so calm and she's like, hi. Yeah. I, I got shot in this man. Help me so much.
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He is sitting right here in front of me and he helped me so much. And I just, I really need help
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and I need someone to come and help me because, but this man helped me and saved me. And the
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woman's like, ma'am, did you say you were shot? And she's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I need help.
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And so she's doing this thing where the words she's saying don't match her tone of voice.
00:27:18
And the woman on the other line, it only takes her like three exchanges. And she's like,
00:27:24
what the fuck? So the woman goes, are you saying you were shot? She's like, yeah. And I need help.
00:27:29
And this man helped me so much. This man right here in front of me. And then she goes, ma'am,
00:27:33
are you not from around here? And she goes, no, and he, and he's here. So I'm safe with him. I'm
00:27:39
here with him. And I need you to send me an ambulance because I'm bleeding really bad.
00:27:44
And then she hears the 911 operator. Someone else says something where it's like that shooting.
00:27:51
And then she gets back on the phone. She said, and she, the 911 operator, I can't remember how
00:27:57
it goes exactly, but it's basically like, she goes, the woman says something. She goes, did you
00:28:02
say there's like something about a shooting and she goes she goes uh-huh uh-huh he's here right
00:28:08
now and he's helping me so much it's it's that one it's same one uh-huh and she basically is like
00:28:13
it's so creepy hearing you say it by the way telling telling her oh my god in this like super
00:28:18
pleasant voice giving her these signals without letting on to the crazy man literally sitting in
00:28:24
front of her that the shooter is sitting fucking in front of her isn't it crazy that if he were a
00:28:29
little less crazy, this wouldn't have worked. Right. You know what I mean? Yes. Like if whatever
00:28:35
angel dust or fucking thing he was on, but he actually, the way she played it. And when you
00:28:41
hear her this 911 call, you understand how it worked. Cause she's not, I'm actually doing too
00:28:47
much energy. She's like almost kind of like chill like this where it's like, yeah, I just need an
00:28:53
uh-huh uh-huh yep that's it yeah and doing that fucking thing so oh my god oh my god oh my god so
00:29:00
she says just seen the ambulance or whatever so she can't they can't figure out where she is
00:29:06
because they're it's not like a trace whatever he ends up getting on no and they have that 9-1-1
00:29:14
that portion of the 9-1-1 call no where he's giving the 9-1-1 operator directions to his house
00:29:20
how the fuck does he not know like how does that happen because he was out of his fucking mind on
00:29:26
drugs he was on drugs and drunk oh but i think it's the drugs and maybe something else he had
00:29:32
his brain's already a crazy rap rap sheet he had been in jail a ton of times lots of fucking
00:29:38
domestic violence he had gotten into his girlfriend had left him that night oh my god and he got drunk
00:29:44
at a bar and and he said he did like xanax or paxil or like one single thing where i'm like dude
00:29:50
you were on fucking angel dust like tuesday for me man yeah that right um so so anyway the part of the the recording he talking to the operator saying how they should get to his house and then going yeah
00:30:06
And she's bleeding real bad. I mean, I got blood all over me too. And I saved her.
00:30:10
And I don't know, like you need to get someone here really fast. Like he's completely been convinced.
00:30:15
And she goes, well, is she doing okay? And she's the 911 operator is like sweet as pie.
00:30:21
You would never know that she's talking to anybody except for the nice man that saved this woman.
00:30:27
So he says, you can only have an ambulance, no cops. And she's like, no, of course not.
00:30:31
I only want an ambulance. I just need to get this blood off me and get this thing taken care of.
00:30:36
He's like, okay. So then he gives her shorts and a shirt to put on so she doesn't have to walk outside naked.
00:30:41
Can you imagine being naked too? It's like so vulnerable. Naked and covered in blood.
00:30:46
Dude. It is total horror movie. Yeah. She goes outside and she says she's lost so much blood at this point and she's in the empty.
00:30:53
So she knows. Yeah. Like she knows. And she says she's walking out. She sees the ambulance.
00:30:59
So she's walking up this hill trying to get to the ambulance. And she's like, she goes, and I know I've lost so much blood because I can see the trees moving.
00:31:08
What it was, was the fucking SWAT team in place. And she gets like out of range and he is walking outside behind her.
00:31:18
Oh my God. Because he's like going to see her to the fucking ambulance. And then the second, like the second he gets far enough outside, the SWAT team just fucking goes down.
00:31:28
He fights them. They take him down and they arrest him. They don't kill him. That's amazing.
00:31:33
No, they take him down. That's amazing. You're not supposed to just go. Right. But like, you know, you'd think he'd fight back and.
00:31:39
No, he fought him, but they arrested him. Good for them. They arrested him. uh and he gets oh it's two life sentences for capital murder um aggravated assault and kidnapping
00:31:54
and when that show aired in 2007 she still had over 30 shotgun pellets lodged in her arm neck
00:32:02
and chest two years later that she did the show then yes that's fucking insane yeah and she still
00:32:08
had like shotgun pellets inside her from these shotgun blasts that she survived fucking crazy
00:32:16
she had a son that she since then no no at the time she was a single mother and she said that
00:32:24
she was thinking like what she was positive she was gonna die in the cemetery house that she ended
00:32:30
up at yeah and so the fact that when she got on that 911 call she got to talk to this woman who
00:32:35
got her shit who got who like picked up on the game and fucking did it and because it's like
00:32:42
basically the cops had come up upon Anna's dead body in that car they knew a situation had happened
00:32:48
and basically everybody hooked it all together it's like best case scenario totally for looking
00:32:53
for this person this girl is calling yes this is what this is and then basically at the very end
00:32:58
jennifer just says uh i should have died that night like it's a miracle of god that i lived
00:33:05
and i just want to say this it's not a god bless god it's not a miracle of god because she was
00:33:13
instinctually smart she fucking came up with a plan and she was brave enough to enact it and go
00:33:19
for it and make it happen for herself she did it like she did it yeah and yes it worked out good
00:33:26
best case scenario but it's like that's that's that's that's a survivor's instinct that she had
00:33:32
and she did it for herself i mean yeah yeah that's insane yeah i wonder where she is now like if
00:33:39
she gonna what's she doing now where's her kid he's gotta be proud of her right yeah yeah fuck dude pretty good it's a good one what's her name again her name is jennifer holiday
00:33:50
Okay. And her cousin who died, she was in her late 20s, but her cousin who died was 17 when it happened, Anna Franklin.
00:34:01
Oh, honey. I'm sorry. R.I.P. Okay, we're back. Karen, any updates? How are you feeling about that?
00:34:11
I mean, this story, I remember watching it real time and it was so unbelievably horror movie creepy.
00:34:20
What this woman went through and lived through and, of course, obviously survived is unbelievable.
00:34:27
So there are no updates for Jennifer Holliday's story. She's kept a low public profile.
00:34:32
And I didn't cover this in the original story, but after the attack, she struggled with very serious health issues and regaining motor skills in her left arm.
00:34:41
I mean, it was essentially blown off by a shotgun. She gave a 2007 interview with the Lufkin Daily News where she said, quote, I still can't feel the back of my hand at all.
00:34:52
I can't put my hand to my face. I have no fine motor skills. And basically once the CEO of Memorial Hermann Hospital heard about Jennifer's story, and this is kind of insane.
00:35:06
they covered all of her medical bills for a very important surgery she couldn't afford
00:35:11
and that restored movement to her elbow so before that she couldn't do basic stuff like tying her
00:35:18
shoes and then after that she could so i mean that's kind of a really lovely silver lining in
00:35:23
what is truly like watching a horror film totally i still can't get over and i talk about it in the
00:35:29
episode when he takes her to his house and they drive through a cemetery to get to his house
00:35:34
behind the cemetery where it's just like, you couldn't script this any worse. This is another thing she said to the Houston Chronicle.
00:35:42
Jennifer Holliday said, quote, my sole goal in life is to get back somewhat as I was before.
00:35:48
I know mentally and physically I'll never be able to go back to the job I used to have.
00:35:52
I'll be able to do something, I'm sure. So you know being the victim of an attack like that traumatic and horrible enough as it is but then all of the physical repercussions afterwards just like horrible
00:36:07
So glad to talk about her as a survivor because she really beat the odds on that one.
00:36:11
Yeah. And then we have another horrible story that I cover that does have a silver lining, even though it's just a tragic story.
00:36:18
But we love the stories where the laws are changed and where people, survivors fight back.
00:36:24
Yeah. So let's get into it. This is George's story about Megan's law. All right.
00:36:37
You ready for mine? I am. Mine's a bummer. Get ready to be bummed. It's not a survivor story, but there is a positive ending to it.
00:36:46
Something good happens out of it. Okay. So Jesse Timendikos. He is born April 15th in 1961 in Piscataway, New Jersey.
00:37:02
He claims that his mother was promiscuous, a promiscuous alcoholic, had 10 children by seven different men, and that his dad was a violent drinker, and that his dad had sexually abused him and his brother all the time.
00:37:16
and that they once saw their dad rape a seven-year-old girl. What the fuck? That's what they said.
00:37:22
And that the father tortured and killed pets and that he once forced this guy, Jesse, and his brothers
00:37:29
to eat their pet rabbit. What? Yeah. So in 1979, when this guy, Jesse Tamedikos, is 18,
00:37:41
he persuades two five-year-old girls to go off with him in search of ducks is what he tells them.
00:37:48
He took them by the hand and leads them towards an embankment. One of the girls fucking has some horrible feeling
00:37:54
and takes off, leaves him with the other girl. A little five-year-old girl. Yeah, she's like, fuck this, I'm going to get help.
00:38:02
Jesus. But the other girl, they get to the bottom of the hill by the brook, he knocks her down,
00:38:06
he pulls her pants down, and right at that moment, the girl who ran away had got a neighbor
00:38:12
and they run up and fucking find him. so jesse pleads guilty to the attempted aggravated sexual assault
00:38:19
and exchange for pleading guilty he get he gets a suspended sentence as long as he agrees to go get counseling or to get counseling uh he doesn't get it
00:38:31
and he's sent for as a as a um punishment is sent for nine months to the middlesex adult
00:38:39
correctional center nine months because he said no to fucking counseling yeah so in 1981 he's out and he lures a seven-year-old girl into the woods don't go in the fucking woods
00:38:53
with the promise of firecrackers man and again this girl's with a friend and this friend is like
00:39:02
fuck this and takes off on her bike but while that's happening jesse takes the girl into the
00:39:09
woods strangles her until he thinks she's dead and while he's running out of the woods the girl
00:39:17
who survived had gotten cops and they catch him he pleads guilty to assault and is imprisoned in
00:39:25
the adult diagnostic and treatment center in avanel new jersey for 10 years but he only gets six years
00:39:31
he's let out after that and a therapist says that he thinks that he would eventually so the therapist says that she thinks that he'll eventually commit another
00:39:42
sex crime but she doesn't think he'll commit murder so let him fucking go after six years
00:39:49
so when he leaves this facility he moves in to he moves into a town uh where's the town name
00:39:58
okay he moves into hamilton township new jersey into a house with two other sex offenders that
00:40:06
He had met at the facility. What? Yep. Their plan or like halfway house style? Nope, their plan.
00:40:12
Dude. There's no halfway house style in the... They're out and free. Yeah, it's the early 90s.
00:40:18
Oh. There's no halfway house style. It's the early 90s? I was thinking this was like 70s.
00:40:25
I had that kind of like... He went in 1981. He goes in for six or seven years. So he moves out.
00:40:33
And so he's living at this time. Okay. in Hamilton Township, New Jersey. One of the sex offenders he lived with named Brian Jenin,
00:40:41
he had joined the Big Brothers so he could have access to young boys. So he gets out.
00:40:47
The other one is Joseph Cefeli. He had been charged with carnal abuse and sodomy of a five-year-old girl.
00:40:55
And he pled guilty to three counts of impairing the morals of a minor. What kind of fucking...
00:41:02
poor in impairing the morals no you're a fucking rapist you're a rapist it's not
00:41:08
you're not fucking with the morals man you're like okay so across the street from their house
00:41:16
and one house down and the street i saw it on a video it's a tiny street it's like it's a small
00:41:22
neighborhood and this is like a this is a small town you know families it's not a dangerous town
00:41:29
right across the street lives the Kenka family. And part of that family was seven-year-old Megan.
00:41:40
So on July 29th, 1994, Megan walks by his house on the way to a friend's house. And Jesse tells her, as he had done in other fucking times,
00:41:51
that he has an animal to show her. He says that he has a puppy inside his house who wants to show her and she goes with him into his room He rapes her and sodomizes her and slams her head into the dresser
00:42:08
He puts plastic bags over her head so she won't bleed in his room and strangles her with a belt.
00:42:15
And then he puts her body into a toy chest and dumps her in the nearby Mercer County Park.
00:42:23
It's fucking horrifying. So that night, Megan Stanley's freaking out. There's a search for her.
00:42:33
Jesse participates in it, handing out flyers. The police go door to door. He tells them he had seen Megan riding her bicycle around 2.30 in the afternoon.
00:42:44
But he also tells Maureen, Megan's mom, some other weird shit about seeing her before dinner.
00:42:49
His story is weird. he's like nervous and sweating when he's telling these stories wait so sorry he went to the mom and
00:42:56
was like oh the mom was like have you seen them and he was you know he was like he wasn't keeping
00:43:01
his own story straight and he was offering too much information and okay and so the next day i
00:43:06
guess one of the roommates had like had like had convinced him to confess one of the roommates was
00:43:12
like you need to fucking confess fucking in the bowels of hell they decide they're gonna get
00:43:16
fucking this guy's like i'm fucking clean man you need to get the fuck out of here the next day
00:43:21
he goes in and confesses to investigators and he leads the police to megan's body um
00:43:27
he he confesses to some of it but not all of the aspects of the sexual assault and so once the
00:43:33
autopsy happened the police were like yeah but here's more information and he's like okay yeah
00:43:37
i did that too like he's a fucking creep as a man he knows like he's not he's not crazy and
00:43:44
He's not mentally impaired because he knows to keep this certain information from the cops.
00:43:49
He knows that he should put a bag over her head so that blood won't get places because...
00:43:54
Yeah, he's aware of exactly what's going on. Even though he had a really low self...
00:43:57
I mean, self-esteem. He had a really low IQ, but he knew the things to hide something.
00:44:02
He was smart enough to cover his own fucking tracks. Right. So there's... So bloodstained hair, fiber samples, and also Megan had fucking fought back and there was a bite mark on Jesse's hand.
00:44:14
because she had fought really hard. And he said that the reason he killed her was because she fought and he was scared
00:44:22
she was going to tell her mom, which is utter fucking bullshit. So his trials in May of 1997,
00:44:28
he found guilty of purposeful or knowing murder, two counts of felony murder, first degree kidnapping,
00:44:33
and four counts of first degree aggravated assault. And in June, he's sentenced to death.
00:44:40
And in his statement says, okay, I'm sorry for what I've done to Megan. I pray for her and her family every day.
00:44:46
I have to live with this and what I've done for the rest of my life. Yeah, it's very sad for you, Stephen.
00:44:52
I asked you to let me live so I someday can understand and have an understanding why something like this could happen.
00:44:59
Thanks. Wait, did he say thanks at the end? He said thanks at the end. Sorry, wait.
00:45:05
His name is Stephen, right? No! I'm so sorry. are you kidding hilarious no i swear i just said i just added steven wow that's so fucking funny
00:45:20
so i'm sorry no my full apology no his name is jesse timenagos jesse that's right jesse
00:45:26
i'm so sorry oh steven this is not steven's episode oh no okay so okay we know so we can
00:45:37
just do narcissism off the checklist of like all of a sudden a young girl's rape and murder that he
00:45:44
committed is sad for him and i hope someday i can understand why this happened not why i did this
00:45:50
even would be better we're right because it's it's such a mystery yeah why did this happen the
00:45:55
thing i did yeah fully with my eyes open knowing full well what was happening the entire right and
00:46:00
this is when he starts to say that his dad had sexually abused him and was you know which is like
00:46:06
horrifying if it's true but it doesn't mean so many people like this happens to people and they
00:46:11
don't go on to do these horrible things they became better people or they don't become better
00:46:17
people but they don't fucking molest children you know what i mean yes um also i'm thinking
00:46:22
what year would the menendez 94 93 something like that i mean i'm just wondering if like
00:46:27
because did you say this was 92 before or after he went to like when he made that claim oh that
00:46:34
was like 97. I mean, I'm just saying that when those things get into like the popular culture,
00:46:39
here's what I need to say. Yeah. Like this is working. Yeah. That kind of thing. Yes. Totally.
00:46:44
That I mean, could have happened. Just saying that suddenly it's like this starts to become
00:46:49
a rationale. Yeah. Like try this. You should try this defense. Oh, Steven. Oh my God. Okay. No, his name was Elvis. Uh, so, okay. So here's the positive.
00:47:04
on this horrifying story. Yeah, this is fucking rotten. I know. So Michelle's parents,
00:47:09
Richard and Maureen Kanka, go on a fucking crusade to change the law. They demand mandatory
00:47:16
community notification of sex offenders. Megan's law. Megan's fucking law. This is Megan's law,
00:47:24
which I thought we should all know where it came from. Fuck yes, we should. It's important.
00:47:28
This is why it's not just some, I didn't tell this horrifying child story, child murder story,
00:47:32
which I would do. I'm not fucking arguing that I'm better than that, but this is an important one.
00:47:36
And I was studying some other murder today to do, and that came up and I was like, Jesus,
00:47:42
I don't know enough about this. That's, I love that. That's really good. So I studied this and I was like, this is my murder.
00:47:48
This is important. And the next, the one that I found can come up because it has to do with Megan Slaude later,
00:47:53
but let's get to this. You know what I mean? So Richard and Maureen, badass motherfuckers go on a crusade
00:48:00
say to change the law, they demand mandatory community notification of sex offenders,
00:48:05
which is the thing of like when a sex offender moves into your community, they have to notify the whole community
00:48:10
that there's a sex offender living there. They can't live in your schools or daycares,
00:48:14
all this shit. Can't fucking join the big brothers. No, you motherfuckers. So they say that the registration requires,
00:48:23
so there was the Jacob Wetterling Act originally, which is, we all know the Jacob Wetterling story,
00:48:29
which was horrifying, but that only required sex offenders to register with local law enforcement.
00:48:35
So they didn't have to tell anyone about it except the law enforcement. And they said that
00:48:39
Megan would still be alive if they had known the criminal history of this dude. So in 1994,
00:48:46
New Jersey enacts the law. And in 96, President Bill Clinton signed a federal Megan's law. And
00:48:53
it's basically amending the Jacob Wetterling Act. It sets guidelines for the state statutes
00:48:58
requiring states to notify the public, although officials could decide how much public notification
00:49:04
is necessary based on the level of danger posed by the offender, which is kind of troubling.
00:49:09
So there's three tiers. And based on those tiers, they have to tell a certain amount of people,
00:49:14
which sucks. And I can tell you what's in each tier if you want, but I don't know if it's
00:49:17
even fucking worth it. Do you have to list acts that are super upsetting? pretty much yeah i mean it's it's all troubling and it's you know there's this whole argument now
00:49:29
about about first amendment rights and all this shit and like you know freedom of it's just like
00:49:36
it's an ugly thing where you're just like don't molest children you lose your fucking rights when
00:49:40
you are a sex offender yeah you lose your rights and you can't fucking argue your freedom of
00:49:47
whatever the shit. I mean, they want them to do speech, right? Is it like their freedom of privacy?
00:49:52
Yes, that's the one. Yeah. Which is like, well, you- You don't get to have it. You lost that.
00:49:56
You don't get to have it. No. Also tell your friends in your fucking apartment you're sharing
00:50:01
with all the other sex offenders, let them know if that's something they're going to continue to do
00:50:05
if they get caught, prosecuted for it. Yeah. They're not going to be able to have that privacy
00:50:10
to be a child rapist anymore. Sorry. It's not like, so tier one is someone who's convicted
00:50:18
and served less than one year of imprisonment for something like, it's for something light,
00:50:22
like receiving or possessing child porn. That's tier one. Like that's a light fucking thing for them
00:50:29
that you don't have to tell everyone or sexual assault against an adult that involved sexual contact,
00:50:34
but not completed or attempted sexual assault. So they try to fucking rape an adult,
00:50:38
but didn't fucking go through with it, they're not a sex, they are not, they're not scary enough.
00:50:43
They don't have to come and knock on your door and say, I did this. Nope. Okay. So you don't know that there's a rapist,
00:50:49
attempted rapist. Attempted rapist. Because this is the classic difference between attempted and succeeded.
00:50:54
Fuck you. Well, because all it is, is it's just going to lead to, now they're going to succeed.
00:51:00
Yeah. It's that. So this time they're going to do it. They're going to kill them
00:51:04
so they can't be identified and brought to trial. Right? Because the second tier,
00:51:08
is when people who have had one conviction get another one. So they're not going to want that other one.
00:51:14
They're going to kill their fucking victim instead of letting them live. A bunch of other shits.
00:51:19
Tier three is just like, you don't want to fucking meet one of these motherfuckers ever.
00:51:23
Anyways. And are those the people knocking on your door? I don't know if that's actually a thing.
00:51:27
Okay. I don't know if they do that. I'm just thinking of that part in the Big Lebowski where Jesus knocks on people's doors
00:51:33
and immediately gets punched in the face. That's amazing. No, I think that the cops or like the,
00:51:39
they have to hand out flyers door to door, but there's this crazy thing too, where you're not allowed to tell anyone
00:51:44
about the flyer you got. So we get fucking, we don't have freedom of speech to tell our friends
00:51:50
that there's a fucking child molester living in your neighborhood. I don't know.
00:51:54
What? Yeah. How is that? I don't know. And let me say that this is from a like- Well, you can leave it on the coffee table
00:51:59
and point to it without saying anything. Also, tip tap. Also, this is from an episode of 6060
00:52:06
in 60 Minutes in 2000. So I could have changed by then. Oh, yeah. I didn't do my research.
00:52:12
So, okay. You can't keep up with every goddamn law they pass. I'm sorry. I'm a busy woman.
00:52:20
So, yeah. So Megan's Law, sex offenders, they're required to register with local police
00:52:24
when they're moved into a neighborhood. And it's, like, so amazing that they... That's a huge change.
00:52:32
It's not... Huge. Super important. Unfortunately, in 2007, the death penalty was abolished in New Jersey.
00:52:39
I don't want to, I'm not trying to start a fucking fight about the death penalty, but
00:52:42
so Jesse Timendikos just is now having life in prison, which is good. I want him to suffer there too.
00:52:51
You know what I mean? I do. Yeah. So everything is fucked. No, so it's wonderful.
00:52:58
No, it's not. It's neither. Look, it's all horrible. It's all horrible. But yeah, you're right.
00:53:03
at least something good came out of it where it's like at least there's some progress in some way
00:53:08
and i'm you know her parents i'm impressed with them and it's amazing that they and you know
00:53:15
there's an interview with her mom who was just like i i was obsessed she made the cops let her
00:53:22
go into that room where her daughter died she couldn't stop thinking about it they finally
00:53:26
fucking demolished the house and built a park for megan and the mom's like i can't go to the park
00:53:32
like she's clearly broken she was like i wanted to die and but you know they did something with it
00:53:37
and have probably helped an innumerable is that a word innumerable innumerable amount of children
00:53:43
prevention prevention that's they they'll have no idea how many people they say they'll never know
00:53:48
yeah so wow awesome i like that one and also learning yeah learning about what that even you hear that phrase and you don know what it means Totally I had no idea Yeah Oh man How you doing I pretty good yourself
00:54:06
What do you, what's the thing you like this week? Is there anything? I just like to say sorry to Steven.
00:54:19
You like the fact that you're saying sorry to Steven? No, it's separate. but it's Stephen's apology corner.
00:54:26
I just didn't. Apology. It's really been bad this episode between Stephen and I.
00:54:31
Usually it's fake. I like to do some pretend yelling at the beginning. We have a whole thing and this.
00:54:37
Stephen crying isn't real. This one way the fuck wrong. He looks real broken up.
00:54:41
But here's the good part about it. If you would see him right now, everybody at home,
00:54:45
he has this like an elf hat on. So if you were crying, it's very, it suits him. Like it looks good.
00:54:52
And he could use it to cover his face. It's a beanie. One of those things called that you had.
00:54:56
Yeah. Okay, well, I'll go. Because I actually wrote it down this time. So I wouldn't be like, I don't know what I like.
00:55:04
I like the show Fleabag on Amazon. What is it? I've never heard of it. Well, A, you would love it because it's fucking British.
00:55:11
Because it's all reenactments. Yeah. No, it's like the show Search Party that we love.
00:55:16
Yes. But it's this fucking British chick who's too pretty for the part. she's playing, which is like a mess. She's a fucking train wreck of a person. It's six episodes,
00:55:28
but it's all like people that you would know from British procedurals. And she's a mess,
00:55:35
but there's this like crazy arc that happens that it's like kind of a surprise. It's just
00:55:40
such a beautiful, messy show. And like, I don't fucking cry at shows ever. I fucking started
00:55:46
crying at the end. And I buried my face in the Vince because I was so embarrassed. And I was like,
00:55:52
he was just kinder. She just needed kindness. It's so, you'll watch them all in one sitting.
00:56:01
I love that. It's so good. Everyone, oh, you'll love it. On, you said Amazon. It's on Amazon.
00:56:07
It's called Fleabag. I can't figure out how to watch TV on Amazon. And I think I have all the things to do it.
00:56:12
I just don't. When I go to do it every time, I'm like, I'm not young. I can't do this.
00:56:18
Have 21 year old Steven come over. and make him a casseroles all these apologies look i don't think that you are a child murderer
00:56:28
i never have i don't know why it came out i guess i felt bad that i wasn't didn't receive i was
00:56:35
confused about your goddamn theme song i'm sorry it's funny i loved it surprises i just was confused
00:56:42
um one of the there's a chick there's a chick who's a main character on the show who
00:56:47
is from like a British procedural detective murder show. So you'll love it. You mean I'll recognize her?
00:56:57
You're going to recognize a lot of people that I wouldn't recognize. Okay, nice.
00:56:59
And you will recognize her. Awesome. Yes, and Brett Gelman randomly is in it. No way.
00:57:03
You're like, what the fuck is Brett Gelman doing in this? That's awesome. It's so weird.
00:57:07
I thought that you were saying her character, she's playing a girl who's from a procedural
00:57:12
where I'm like, that's awesome. No, but you'll love it. Okay. It brought me a lot of joy because it gave me feelings again.
00:57:20
Good. I don't have those. I like those. Listen, I am getting it back into feelings for 2017.
00:57:28
Yeah. Like even just trying to say, I think I want to have feelings again. That's a great start.
00:57:34
To people that would actually listen to me. I know. I think it's a good idea. That's great.
00:57:38
I think it's healthy. Yeah. I wanted to, you know what? I want, I had therapy today and I want to step, I want to have reality again.
00:57:46
end i mean it i know what you mean i think because i think my therapist and i did this like this like
00:57:54
what is it called not activity but like oh like you did a i know you know what i'm saying what
00:58:00
is the word um lisa frank you did a you you drew weird unicorns uh we did this we had a exercise
00:58:09
exercise thank you um i want to get my fucking memory i want to move what if this house has
00:58:15
black mold this whole time. That would be amazing. My brain, the reason. But then you go to the new house
00:58:19
and then you're like, you're like Bradley Cooper in that movie where you like can see everything
00:58:23
and you know everything. Yeah. And I'm like, oh, I got to move back because this is really overwhelming.
00:58:28
It's too much. You did better the other way. It's too much for me. Yeah. We do these,
00:58:33
we do these exercises where we sit in reality and it makes me realize that I've been disassociating
00:58:40
with the world because it's easier to filter in when I think that there's a different plane of existence and this is all fake and virtual reality and that every book I
00:58:52
read is like more real than life yes are you saying yes like you're scared of me and you think
00:58:57
I'm crazy no I am not crazy so we do it and it's scary and overwhelming and she's like how do I say
00:59:02
yes in a way that would because that was the realest yes I've said in a while okay no that's
00:59:08
all yeah I hear you a hundred percent and then she's like leave it here though don't go do that
00:59:12
because you'll have a fucking panic attack if you do it in real life. Well, you can't stay in too long.
00:59:17
Everybody copes in different ways. It's like my therapist said to me one time when I had quit,
00:59:23
don't drink anymore, quit doing anything extra, quit. And then I had quit sugar and I'd quit this and I'd quit that.
00:59:31
And she goes, well, you got to do something because everybody needs a little bit of oblivion.
00:59:36
And I was like, you're fucking really good at your job, Michelle. Everybody needs a bit of oblivion.
00:59:42
Yeah. Lower back tattoo. Big butterfly underneath. Beautiful. Put it in quotes. Misspell oblivion.
00:59:50
Everybody needs a little bit of oblivion. Of oblivion. We not aiming for perfection here There no perfection happening we don want it we being we saying feelings and reality feelings and pieces of reality at times bits and pieces then
01:00:08
dip back out and go into your other world because i can't i know i have one okay uh but mine i
01:00:15
haven't seen yet it's i'm so excited for the new fx series starring tom hardy called taboo where he
01:00:22
plays a guy that he's like on a secret police force in London in 1814. And it is the preview
01:00:31
for it looks insanely beautiful. It looks like it's shot like it looks super real. Like my thing,
01:00:38
my way of disappearing from reality is going into TV shows and going into Jane Austen movies and
01:00:44
shit where I'm like, it is no longer this year. We are now back in the time where you sit in your
01:00:50
room and write letters and see if somebody wants to come and sit in the salon with you.
01:00:54
I don't do that with movies. I do it with books because movies, I'm like, that guy has a fucking
01:00:57
headshot. That piece of shit, motherfucker. Like someone dressed that person in the wardrobe,
01:01:02
like assistant is so miserable. And like someone threw coffee on her today. Like,
01:01:06
I can't, why I have to make it up in my head. You got to pick movies that keep you in,
01:01:10
that don't push you out. Okay. Fleabag was one of the only ones I've been able, because I was able to, the one I just talked about. Yeah. I was able to identify with her.
01:01:18
so much. So it was so real to you that you never left. You stayed in that reality. That's probably why I liked it and
01:01:24
Search Party is like, it was real. I can't do that with movies. And that's why when you
01:01:29
as soon as you said Tom Hardy, I was out. Everything about that sounds amazing. But he will take you out?
01:01:38
I thought Tom Hardy and whatever Hardy were, the football player were the same person.
01:01:43
Tom Brady? Yeah. He's just like a pretty... The Tom family? Yeah. He's just pretty
01:01:49
He's insanely pretty In this though It's like a Justin fucking Timberlake We're playing him
01:01:53
It's true But let's talk about body difference Tom Hardy is a beefy He's hardy Slice
01:02:00
He is a beefy slice of what? He's a hard Mince pie I don't know Something British
01:02:06
The man is I mean he's played a boxer Like 17 different times A what? A boxer Oh I thought you said
01:02:13
Something between a I don't know what you said Yeah it was a boxer maybe I put a little slide on that X
01:02:19
but yeah no I'm just saying he's insanely well built if you ever take a chance and watch Peaky Blinders
01:02:28
I tried you know I don't like attractive well built actors I want to cut them down to size
01:02:37
and make them feel like shit about themselves I just I can't well then yeah no Tom Hardy vehicle
01:02:45
is going to be good for you because the man exudes confidence to the point of insane cockiness.
01:02:50
I feel bad that everything you're saying, I'm like, I don't like that. I don't like that.
01:02:53
I don't like that. It's just one of those episodes. But I will say this. I mean, who cares?
01:02:57
There's a lot of that. Who cares? In this, I think there's all kinds of extra shit happening
01:03:03
because like everything I see, and I've only seen the trailer. So what do I know?
01:03:06
It sounds awesome in every way. He's painted like he's crawling through mud. He's like the fucking-
01:03:13
He's the cat man that hasn't come out yet. Other episode. he's doing all these things where I feel like he's fighting the pretty as hard as he possibly can
01:03:22
which in and of itself might be distracting and maybe he needs to prove himself that he's like
01:03:25
I'm not just a pretty face because like yeah I don't know that Tom Hardy's gonna be sitting around
01:03:31
doubting himself in any way at any fucking time in his life can you imagine I mean or maybe he does
01:03:38
privately but he just did you see that he made a video and it's Tom Hardy um reads you to sleep
01:03:44
No See if you don't hate that I'll try it I like being put to sleep Oh that's true
01:03:50
I think it's just him being insanely sexy But I don't It's not like he's my type sexiness wise
01:03:56
It's what I'm attracted to sexually Is 1814 London I want to be there Dude bring me the plague on a fucking
01:04:05
Silver platter And tell me about it On a fucking On Tom Hardy's abs Oh wait that's Tom Brady can I do another one yes sorry always this will dig us back out I mean that was
01:04:19
we were already out sorry but I mean this is just this is one I've actually experienced
01:04:23
because that thing could be who knows that's my own trailer that's my review of a trailer
01:04:27
somebody and I'm sorry I can't remember your name a lovely gal on Twitter retweeted me a Riz Ahmed
01:04:36
tweet where he is did you see that picture where he's you know what I'm talking about he's Riz Ahmed
01:04:42
is squatting down by a personalized license plate. Oh my God, oh my God. That says I'm sad.
01:04:47
And he's throwing up like the peace sign. No, he isn't. And he just looks kind of like neutral.
01:04:53
And she just sent it to me and just said, hey girl. And I just wrote back to her and said,
01:04:58
I've never been happier. Oh my God. It's the best picture. I'm sad. And he doesn't look sad at all.
01:05:05
Also, he is doing amazing humanitarian work to raise money for people. Human humanitarian?
01:05:10
humanitarian work for to raise money for people in Syria. He fucking tweets about it all the time.
01:05:17
He has a whole thing where it's like, send me $10 and get, get five people to send $10.
01:05:21
Like he's busting his ass to raise money for Syrian refugees. And it's, it just is like,
01:05:27
well, you're a super great actor that was just nominated for a golden globe. And you look so good in a fucking bow tie.
01:05:32
And you have a good sense of humor. Cause you know, enough to squat next to the,
01:05:35
I'm sad license plate. Oh, and you're going to raise Tom Hardy ever fucking done.
01:05:39
Is it Tom Hardy? What's Tom Hardy ever squatted next to? Yeah, nothing. 1814. Yeah, we'll see what he squats next to in this fucking show.
01:05:47
Now I'm mad at the show. I should have another one. Okay. Yes. What if we start doing 10 each?
01:05:53
I have the episode of Black Mirror Yeah Called San Junipero Didn see it Oh my God It a lesbian love story I shouldn have said that That a spoiler It is the most
01:06:06
Just go watch San Junipero. It's like the most beautiful love story. So it's just...
01:06:12
I shouldn't have said that. It's such a good show. Charlie Booker, the guy that writes that show.
01:06:17
I think he wrote and directed this episode. That might be wrong too, but... I bet he did.
01:06:21
It's such a... It's such a... It's not even a Black Mirror episode. It's like such a beautiful story
01:06:27
that you don't see very often on television because it's like... Because it's like spoiler alert?
01:06:33
Because there's lesbians. But it's like, it's just a love story. Okay, I'll watch it.
01:06:37
And it's heartbreaking and beautiful. I was actually avoiding Black Mirror because when I go to my TV escape,
01:06:44
I just want it to be an actual escape. So when it's a thing like, look at how your phone is going to murder your eyes.
01:06:51
It's like, I can't, I don't want to do this right now. Don't watch the first episode.
01:06:55
It's so good, but it'll make you stop using your phone ever again. Good luck. Good luck.
01:07:02
It's so good. Bryce, what's her name? Dallas Howard. Dallas Howard. Is she in it?
01:07:09
I think that's her, unless it's another redhead. Jessica Chastain? Those are the two that look exactly the same.
01:07:14
I know. It's not Jessica Chastain. I think it's Bryce Dallas Howard. She's so good.
01:07:19
It's so good. Okay, I'll watch it. Okay, I'll watch it. What other shows do we want to recommend?
01:07:25
Let's recommend these shows to you. Every single show on TV now. We talk about it even though we don't know.
01:07:32
We don't know. We don't know. Who cares? We don't care. We don't care. Steven, go.
01:07:37
We don't care. Bring us out. Cue that fucking song as we go out. Thanks for listening, everybody.
01:07:43
You better fucking cue that song. I swear to God. Steven, do it. Drive your thing.
01:07:47
Steven, cue it. Thanks for listening. We love you guys. Thank you for all your interaction with us.
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01:08:08
Yeah he does Want a cookie? Elvis Answer your mother There we go Play us out Stephen
01:08:18
Bye Bye Sing along, Karen. I can't do it. Elvis is singing along. Oh, yeah. Elvis, sing it.
01:08:30
Elvis, sing it. Cookie? Cookie? Cookie? Here's cookie. Everyone who's trying to fall asleep listening to this episode is like,
01:08:48
fuck you. Elvis, do you want a cookie? We did it. Last episode here. Bye. Goodbye.
01:08:59
I should get my address now. Okay, so we're back. Do you have updates for this story?
01:09:08
I do. More than 30 years later, Maureen and Rich Kanka still live in the home they shared with Megan, which is incredible.
01:09:15
In an interview with CBS, the Kankas said they're grateful to be able to spoil their grandsons and enjoy quality time with their daughter and son, Megan's two older siblings.
01:09:25
The Kankas recognize that Megan's story has done more than just create laws. It started a nationwide movement and conversations with kids about safety, strangers and how to avoid danger.
01:09:36
30 years ago, Maureen Kankas said, quote, don't sugarcoat it. Tell them what happens to little children by sex offenders.
01:09:42
I mean, it's so hard, I'm sure, but you got to warn kids about the dangers of life.
01:09:51
Yes. I feel like since that time that has really changed where that was the kind of thing of like, oh, that's inappropriate to talk about.
01:09:58
And now, obviously, parents are much more like that kind of like propriety concern is not what you should be worried about.
01:10:06
You should be worried about keeping your kids safe. Totally. And to this day, Maureen's message and mission are still the same. It's to honor Megan by protecting children. And then I also talked about the three tier system as part of the federal sex offender registration and notification act. So knock and notify is still a thing like you see in the Big Lebowski, but it's state specific, not federally mandated. I mean, that's where y'all know it from.
01:10:32
No, it is. It's the perfect thing. I was just referencing the Big Lebowski to my dad the other day where I'm like, don't fuck with the Jesus man. And I'm like, why am I quoting the Big Lebowski to my father? He does not know what I'm talking about.
01:10:43
Were you high? Did they give you? Did you have the flu and they gave you drugs? So it's usually officers and not the offender who do the knock and notify thing. And now in New Jersey, where Megan lived, knock and notify is mandatory, but only for tier three sex offenders. So that's interesting.
01:11:00
But updated offender obligations now include providing email addresses, internet IDs, and verifying information every one, three, or six months, depending on the tier.
01:11:10
So, you know, I mean, what a historic story. The kind of story that I think we would do differently maybe now,
01:11:18
but it's all the same, so important to talk about. Yeah, and then so because we're ending on it.
01:11:25
It's like we could finally feel those heavy stories of like we have to pivot. here. It's too hard to stay here. Yeah. It was a gleam in our eyes not to be total fucking
01:11:36
downers. Right. Yeah. Important. So in this, I recommended Fleabag before it was a thing. I
01:11:43
didn't know. I'm so impressed with myself. You should be. You called that. You're a visionary.
01:11:48
But also I just saw a note that says Karen can't figure out how to watch things on Amazon.
01:11:54
What in the fuck? What? Am I really that old? Like, it's like we're like, Stephen,
01:11:59
Can you help Karen? and watch something on Amazon Prime. Was it new? It must have been new.
01:12:03
I guess so. I didn't have a smart TV. You're confused about that, and I'm confused still to this day
01:12:08
about the difference between Tom Hardy and Tom Brady. I'm furious at you about that.
01:12:12
It's just a name thing. It's not a person thing. I know one is light and one is evil.
01:12:17
I know. I know. One is British and one is not. One is a New Englander or something.
01:12:24
You can't give me too many names and expect the world from me. Yeah, the Tom ratio is too high for you.
01:12:30
Yes. Yeah. I mean, if we could travel back in time and tell that Karen in Georgia, hey, hold on, because you're excited about Tom Hardy.
01:12:39
And he will be there when somebody else mentions your podcast name in front of him.
01:12:43
That's right. In Venom 3, The Last Dance, which stars Tom Hardy for sure. Yes. Tom Hardy.
01:12:48
Tom Brady did not star in Venom. No. That's for sure. Our podcast is mentioned and is pretty, pretty fucking incredible.
01:12:54
Also, he's listed as a writer. So I think we got ourselves excited one day thinking about like, what if he actually was making a reference?
01:13:01
But the odds of that are, I would say, between two and three percent. Definitely. On a good day.
01:13:08
All right So this episode as we said was originally called A Bit of Oblivion Which I think is I still think about that quote because you say we all need a bit of oblivion And I think it a pretty classic excellent like saying
01:13:23
And I have to give full credit to my therapist. Oh, that's right. That's her, where I was like, you know, talking about all the ways that I love oblivion, which
01:13:32
I have a lot of them. And then she's just like, we all need to get out of this reality every once in a while.
01:13:37
Escape. It's a thing. Yeah. But if we called it something else, maybe we would call it I'm Laughing at My Own Podcast, which I've done many, many times.
01:13:46
Stephen's Apology Corner. Sorry, Stephen. How about I'm Sad? Just that picture with Riz Ahmed.
01:13:54
I'm sad. I'm sad. Back into feelings. I mean. There's so many. Whatever, Hardy. Whatever, Hardy.
01:14:02
The Hardys, the Hardy Boys. Well, bless the rains down in Africa. There's so many in this one.
01:14:07
Stephen helped me watch Amazon Well thanks you guys for listening to this episode of Rewind
01:14:13
We hope you enjoyed it and we'll keep bringing them to you Yes, stay sexy And don't get murdered
01:14:19
Goodbye Elvis, do you want a cookie?