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Hello and welcome to Rewind with Karen in Georgia. Every Wednesday we recap our old episodes with all new commentary, updates and insights.
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Today, we're recapping episode 59, which we named, shockingly, we named Live at the Wilbur.
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That's right. We recorded this live in Boston, and the episode came out March 9th, 2017.
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So let's listen to the intro of episode 59. Hi! Oh my gosh! Oh my gosh! Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Are you kidding me? Do it. You have to do it. Oh, my God. This is terrifying. Usually, there's an orchestra pit keeping you guys from us.
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They never let you guys this close. I know. We had a... On all our other tour stops.
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Hi, Boston. Hi, Boston. I don't know if anyone's out there just waving at the roof.
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No, they're there. I thought you flipped them off. I just saw someone leave to go to the bathroom.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Or they couldn't handle it. Nope. Thought this was a get out.
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So they did. And they did. So they did. Hi. Hi, everybody. Hi. This is, thank you.
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Us too. This is a lot. This is a lot and it's fucking right here. I know. I don't know why.
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It's not like we're ballerinas. We're so used to the orchestra. It looks like, yeah, it's exciting.
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What were we going to talk? Well, first we do outfit show. Ready? Fuck. Thank you.
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Thanks. Yeah. Just take it around. Don't be afraid to take it around in a circle.
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I don't have pockets, but I had a tissue put in here because I have allergies earlier and it looked great.
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And I lost it. Grandma? Yeah. My grandma used to always have four tissues up her sleeve.
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Like the worst magician of all time. I need to do that. Ta-da. It's not. Always.
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This is the dress that I wore that I got in Chicago that I wore in our very first live show right I mean you don have to scream for that But I went shopping yesterday and I picked out almost the exact same dress
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by the same person. The whole thing, it was just like, the sleeves were this much shorter.
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Jessica Simpson? I'm just fucking wearing that old dress. Yep, I'm wearing a Jessica Simpson tonight.
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Thank you. You don't have to be blonde to like bad fashion. I need to stop wearing dresses with any kind of flair because then I can't well in my mind I can't re-wear them
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Oh, you know what I mean? Like I have fucking I have 400 dresses You can't be seen. Yeah, it's just well you have enough to choose from though
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Yeah, but not black ones. I'm like colors and like I'm I'm like um, what's her name from three's company?
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The neighbor. Chrissy. Oh the slutty neighbor? Mrs. Roper. Oh, she's slutty yeah mrs roper the slutty slut neighbor i also brought like my only nice heels that i own that i
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wore one time almost a year ago at my wedding that still had like glitter on the upside down
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of them on the heel and then i got to i took them out of the hotel and i was like absolutely
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not i'm not doing this so i have flats on because what the fuck i'm not a fucking you're basically
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wearing those socks that you wear under slip-on shoes right yeah and I'm sure they smell and they're
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like slip another pair of shoes on top of those shoes if you felt like it you just kind of blew
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my mind and now I'm like oh well I could wear them though because no one would know the difference
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exactly right it wasn't a slam my life is better especially because coming from this area where
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just a quick negative shout out to my sister Laura who after seeing us at the Oakland show
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which was our first stop on this tour yeah, shout out to Oakland she texted and said
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I thought the show was great but you have to get rid of those tights you're wearing
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what's wrong with your tights? this is what it is to have an older sister so then I was like
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those are the tights I like and then of course that's the first thing I bought yesterday
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I was like, do you have any very sheer? My sister needs to see me in a sheer tight.
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Control top would be great. Control top. Whatever price. I'll pay whatever price.
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And so then that's what I did. Now I look like an orphan child that's been in the ash bin.
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That's not. You do. This isn't the look I do. Can I look? This isn't my jam at all.
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No. So once I saw how sheer the tights were, I was like, well, I'm not wearing heels now.
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fuck everything. I'm going to clog town. Yeah. Right? This tour is now called We Don't Give a
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Shit About Shoes. My favorite murder story. Is there enough time to get that on the shirts?
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Joe, please. Can we get, Stephen, can you go ahead and go ahead, Stephen, and Stephen!
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He's not here. He's not here, but we don't bring him with us sometimes. He'll edit this though and that part will mean the world to him.
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Yeah. I texted him and I was like, you know, we were like edits on this. And then I was like, hey, you know, we talk a lot of shit to you.
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And I just want to make sure you know that we're joking. And it's funny because you're the most amazing fucking person.
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But we'll die back if it's like hurting your feelings. He's like, no, I love it.
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Of course he was. Like, no, it's great. We had a really great bit going on the Lost episode, the Vancouver Lost episode.
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Yeah. It just didn't get recorded for some reason. And the whole thing was, I think it was Vancouver.
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It was about how Steven was hiding underneath this tablecloth. Mixer. Sitting there like a super nerd.
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And there was a random cat under there. Yes, there was just a cat he found in the alley.
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And he was just stroking his mustache listening to the live episode live. He really does that.
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Have you noticed? He does. He does this. He's a bit of a nervous Nelly. So he does a little bit of this.
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You know, he has a little bit of this. which is like he's halfway to one of these like whimsical facial hair guys yeah oh let's talk
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about ice cream okay uh hard left turn yeah steven ice cream you want to shit on steven for at least
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10 minutes okay ice cream it is uh we so we got a gift backstage of ice cream it says hi karen and
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georgia love the show so i made you a flavor at my company it's called elvis wanna cookie bacon
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banana, bacon, peanut butter, cookie, butter. Sorry, Karen. There's sugar in it. Sad face. Oh, that's okay. I'm
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eating sugar again. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks, you guys. Stay sexy, Jacqueline. And it's called the Parlor Ice Cream.
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You guys been there? Jacqueline. Fucking good. Just really quick. Banana. Bacon.
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Oh, I said it too much. Peanut butter, cookie butter. That's what we ate backstage before we came out here.
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That's why we're really excited to be here. Sugar! It's so good. It's so good. It is.
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It's named after my fucking cat. Bring us presents if you want us to talk about you.
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I'm reading the Elizabeth Smart autobiography called My Story. Did you say biography? Nope.
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Autobiography. She's all, well, here's the thing. that's an in the room joke nobody at home's gonna get that if they listen to this
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it's a black dahlia writing her autobiography thank you i'm riding in my car and why are they
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laughing uh i feel left out now i'm angry at a podcast i better take to social media and tell
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them exactly how I feel. Gosh, I wish they understood. Sorry, sorry. No, I don't care.
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Truly Oh yeah so if you ever want to not if you ever want to feel bad about feeling bad about your life and then just read the Elizabeth Smart story The girl got kidnapped in Utah and like lived as this guy wife as a kid
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This whole time I thought you were talking about Elizabeth Short, the Black Dahlia.
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That's why I was making that face. That's why the biography, oh, I get it. I thought I was missing something.
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Shit, you were. You were missing the fact that I didn't get what you were talking about.
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I thought I said the wrong thing. Word again for a thing. so I was like yeah but
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that's right that's called improv my friend you laugh at things you don't understand
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Steven edit that out Steven that never happened now do you think it's funny if it's the black doll
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you're writing her on the back I knew that was funnier than you were giving it and you look like her
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I was totally in the wrong on that one I'm so sorry I'm so glad I clarified who she was.
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She got kidnapped and she wrote her own story about it. And fuck, she is like, man,
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maybe it's because she's into God and stuff, but she's like, so strong. And it makes me like,
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all right, I'll talk to this guy. It's like going to make me not sit on my couch and have anxiety all day about
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like about the vacuum. I don't know. Well, don't you think it's like she's got a little perspective?
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Exactly. Yes. It comes, those things come hand in hand. A little bit. Hi. Plane ride.
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Guys, we have a thing to tell you. We upgraded to first class on the way out here.
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I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Mom. I know it's wrong. No, it's not. I flew my dad, Coach, and I flew first class.
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That's up. I tell you where to sit now, Dad. It's my money. I can do what I want with it.
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I gave him, I got an extra leg room. You know, the little, you know, he's fine. He's fine.
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Marty. He's had a great time. He's not here. We, on the other hand, had smoked pear yogurt tasters right when we sat down.
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Oh my God, they give you food. They give you food. And it's so embarrassing because I so didn't know how to do it that I was like,
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I'll have the smoked pear yogurt taster. And they're like, yeah, everybody gets that.
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Great. I'm going to keep pretending that I know how this pod works. and then I got up to the bathroom
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and I made Karen face and then she goes, did you have the sandwich? And the sandwich thing,
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I was, yeah! It was, I'm sorry, they did it right though because it was a biscuit,
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like breakfast sandwich on a biscuit with, right? With, it's scrambled eggs, some kind of chicken patty sausage
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and then pimento cheese. What? No, Aunt Carol! Yes, I'm telling you. At first I was like,
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this is the worst Thanksgiving ever. And then I ate it and I was like, you're geniuses.
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I love chef. It's like those cheese, pub cheese. Yes. Oh, I would eat pub cheese for the rest of my life.
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It was nutso. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Um, should we sit down? Sure. You want to talk? What else do you want to say?
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I feel like there was one other thing, but it doesn't matter. Oh, oh, I remember when I went and brought you coffee.
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I went to Starbucks. I don't just, I'm not her assistant. I went. that's a good note right now i'm not i'm not steven when we travel i'm just a good person
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and was like again he won't mind yeah he's like yeah i get them caught he brings
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care and a diet coke every week we record it's the key without even asking i know
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he steals it from his work don't tell them thanks loot crate just kidding steven you can you can edit that out edit that out steven
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don't lose your job Stephen because we're not paying you enough yet we will don't worry he'll get some kind of massive cut in the end
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we both die he'll inherit the house or whatever I think we've said a lot of that on the podcast
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you don't get anything or you get everything I don't remember so I'm a good person and brought you coffee
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and you open the door and I hand you the coffee and you're like I have to finish my murder
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and I was like okay bye And I was like walking away and I was like, God, if someone in the fucking hallway heard that.
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I didn't even think of that. I hadn't either. Just some old lady stepping out to go to some kind of a museum or cemetery or whatever you guys have here.
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Georgia, just give me the coffee. I have to finish this murder. I like, I can't tell people like the normal, really sweet, normal guy on the plane next to me.
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I was like, what are you doing in town? which, you know, I was like, I'm here for a thing.
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And I couldn't be like, I love murder. To this like really normal guy. We laugh and laugh about murder for hours.
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You'd love it. Love it. I have to finish my murder. I mean, I kind of wish someone would hear that.
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Okay, now should we sit down? All right. Yeah. Thank you. I know it's sitting is fun.
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Definitely. that's better yeah i don't know my my spanks my spanks are fighting a losing battle there's no like
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it's very we we ask for specifically this setup and i don't know why like we're like could you could you like dangle us on a precipice for an hour
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so that we just feel weird. I don't want it to be bigger than a quarter. Like, I don't want the table to be bigger than...
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What's a funny thing? Than me. Than my ass. I want any room to put things on. I need to feel petite so the table has to be Barbie-sized.
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Please Please And then let get those chairs Like the first time we had these chairs and i was wearing high heels i was like i going to fall off this chair yeah and now that we five in i gotten
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okay used to it but we gotta think of something we gotta think well this is our first time with
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graphics what are they yeah check it out no one's had this before yeah we've never done that
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uh go ahead look at it i didn't look at it before take it in that's my name right there
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That's my name right there. Oh, yeah. This is my favorite murder, by the way. Karen.
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That's you, Georgia. I'm Georgia. I'm not, I'm the other one. Why did I reach up in a dress like this?
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Guys. I was walking, I was walking down the street. Uh-huh. And, uh. Tonight? Just tonight?
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Yeah, just tonight. Around the corner. Uh-huh. I really was. And then I saw, like, and then I, like, saw the corner of my eye.
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Like, I recognized the thing. and I looked up and it was the front of the thing with the projector on it.
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Well, of you. Yeah, I know. And it sold out really big. And so I went in the street and took a photo of it.
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I'm so excited. Thank you, by the way. Thank you for selling us out. Yeah. That's very nice.
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Thank you. Hasn't gotten old yet. Imagine if we were here on Theater Row and everybody, like the Blue Man Group,
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and everybody just pitied us. They were just like, did you hear they sold 15 tickets?
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Or just said not sold out. Yep. Super available. Right down in front. Buy one, get one free.
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And we're back. We are back and we'll be back in Boston very soon. September 20th.
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That's right. September 20th. We're going to see you, Boston. We're so excited. We're so very excited.
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And I have to say, when we did this show originally back in 2017. You remember anything about it?
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So long ago. Well, I asked Alison to print up a picture just so we could see. Do you remember how beautiful it's this?
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The Wilbur is this gorgeous theater that was very white with red carpet, red seats with white backs.
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Yeah. It was very it looks very European. It looks like you're in Luxembourg at the opera.
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It looks like you could spill wine there really easily. And it looks like the theater I had a dream about where much, much prior, never been there, standing on the stage and doing a show in a theater like that and being really scared in the dream.
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Oh, my gosh. And then it came true. And then it came true. Now, I could have said this at a different time about a different theater because we do shows in theaters that look like this kind of a lot.
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Like we're very lucky, these places that we get to do. We are. We're very lucky.
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They're like these perfect, gorgeous theaters. I mean, it's very, usually haunted.
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Haunted. There's a kind of a Mozart vibe that we're like, hey, we're here too. Mozart vibe.
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Also us. Yeah. Oh, I talked about reading the Elizabeth Smart autobiography. Yeah.
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My story. It was on the New York Times bestseller list. It's very good. I cover that story in episode 484 recently called Cops of Trees.
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Cops of Trees. Cops of Trees. So check that out if you're interested. I mean, what an amazing woman.
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Well, also, and there's that update. Yeah. So in May 2025, just recently, Wanda Barzee, Elizabeth Smart's former abductor, was arrested
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for violating her parole by visiting two Salt Lake City parks, claiming that the Lord had
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commanded her to go. Elizabeth Smart publicly responded by saying Barzee's religious extremism was exactly what
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she feared when protesting her release in 2018. and Smart thanked law enforcement and reiterated that she considers Barzi a continued danger to
00:21:49
the community. It's like, can we please listen to this woman, like Elizabeth Smart, about what she
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knows? Also, Wanda Barzi, who clearly is like, oh, I'm on parole. I'm going to go break the law
00:22:00
exactly how I'm not supposed to. So let's listen to her, too, because she's basically like, don't
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have me. Yeah. Don't have me out here if this is what I'm going to be doing. Totally. Barzi was
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released the same day by judicial order and has since been on monitored pre-trial release facing
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charges of two class a misdemeanors for protected area violations so yeah she's going to where kids
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are that's not good yeah that's not good no the saga continues so we actually also made a joke
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in the intro of this show about we were afraid we weren't going to sell out and that blue man group
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was going to make fun of us which is a very funny and enjoyable thing here's what's crazy
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the long-standing residency of the Boston Blue Man Group at the Charles Playhouse officially ended July 6, 2025.
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After a 30-year run that began in 1995. The Blue Man Group's been around for 30 years?
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30 fucking years. I can't believe that. Extra famous on Arrested Development. That's right.
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They gave more than 13,000 performances. They were seen by over 4.5 million people, and they just wrapped it up.
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And look at us going back on the road. Look at us not taking the hint and going back on the road.
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That was really exciting. Also, that was the Boston show. That was the first place we started using graphics where we realized like we could.
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I don't think we understood what we were. We didn't know we could like turn in photos and have them.
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It's like you could do that in a third grade classroom, but we didn't realize you could do that.
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No one understands how much we just were two gals sitting in someone's front room chatting.
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And we just, it all was a build. You don't know what you don't know. And we did not know, nor did anyone really know a lot about live podcasting.
00:23:45
No, that's right. I think there was a, that was, and every time you guys hear a live show that we are going
00:23:51
to talk about or just on your own, it is really funny. It felt like we had to teach the audience how to be an audience correctly because true
00:24:00
some of these, and let's just say it, women showed up and were like, you know what? I'm
00:24:05
going to run this show. Or it's like, no, you're fucking not. I've been talking back to you this
00:24:10
whole time. And so now I'm going to do it from the audience out loud. And we had to be like,
00:24:15
you talking to us in your car does not sound the same as when everyone was talking to us.
00:24:22
That's right. Except for, and I have to say this, there are audience members that know how funny
00:24:27
they are. So they save it and they wait and then they do one that actually makes sense.
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Do not encourage. Not just screaming. I know, I know. I shouldn't encourage. Okay. Well, we might as well just get into it.
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Okay. This is a story I just think about all the time. I forgot I covered it live. I mean,
00:24:44
yeah. I'm excited to hear it again. Yeah. Let's get into George's story about the murder of Molly Bish.
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Um, so this is the point. Normally, where we ask who goes first? Right. Normally.
00:28:12
Right. That's right. Well, I'm going first anyways because of this. Because graphics have to be...
00:28:22
Because Steven needed to know. Also, some people might be off count. This is the dumbest thing in the world.
00:28:28
Our irresponsibility has become like a fun game for people. Yeah. Or like our total lack of really almost interest in our own project.
00:28:40
But also when we were on the road, we switched it up one night and I swear to God, where were
00:28:43
we at? I think that might've been Seattle. People were not happy. They were like, it's Georgia's turn.
00:28:48
We're like, okay. All righty. I mean, it's a joke. Like we don't know. It's nobody's turn.
00:28:55
It's nobody's turn. Think about it. It's everyone's turn. It doesn't exist. Fuck.
00:29:01
All of it. Okay. I'll go first. This is the murder. Welcome to my favorite murder.
00:29:08
Sorry. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Sorry, sorry, sorry. No, that was good. That's Karen.
00:29:16
I'm Georgia. All right. This is the murder of Molly Bish. It's fucked up. Half of people are upset.
00:29:29
Half of them are excited. No one's excited, excited. I just like, it's the same feeling I have where I go, I fucking seen this one four times.
00:29:37
Tell me about it. Oh, I bet I know. I remember this part. Yes. All right. Well, I did some digging and I came up with some...
00:29:44
I didn't come... I compiled some suspects. You solved the case? I solved the case.
00:29:50
Okay Summer of 2000 Molly Bish is working as a lifeguard at Commons Pond in Warren Who from there Nobody Is Warren shitty Everyone like ooh
00:30:05
Well, that's what she... Okay, so her mom is dropping her off at a shift for her lifeguard duty.
00:30:14
And again, she's 16 years old. And the mom sees a mustached man in a white sedan
00:30:19
in the parking lot of their lifeguard. Stephen! Oh my god! No heckling, but that was really good.
00:30:27
We usually don't let... Somebody down in the orchestra pit was like, Stephen? Well, when you see the composite, it might be Stephen.
00:30:36
He really is shaping up to be a real sexual offender. Can we edit that before Stephen gets it, please?
00:30:46
The loveliest person in the world, but facial hair-wise, very suspicious. What a baby.
00:30:51
He can never sit in a sedan ever again. You know how he loves sitting in sedans, too.
00:30:56
He loves to go park in a parking lot. Yeah. Can't do it. Says it relaxes him. Okay.
00:31:05
All right. The mom sees a mustachioed man in a white sedan in the parking lot of the beach area where Molly's post was located.
00:31:13
And the mom was like, what the fuck, that guy's shady. And so she waits till the guy drives away.
00:31:17
and then the next day you know she hadn't thought of it the next day she goes to drop her off and she kind of
00:31:23
does a little check and he's not there so she's like great and leaves her and we know that Molly made it to her
00:31:31
lifeguard stand because a witness saw her at 10.07am but by the time the first group of swimmers
00:31:37
got to the beach around 10.15 Molly was already gone, missing hours later police contacted
00:31:45
Molly's mom informing her that No lifeguard had been on duty all day, which has to be a fucking awful call.
00:31:50
And that Molly's belongings had been left unattended at her station. The only clue, like her flip-flops were there and everything,
00:31:56
the only clue was that the first aid kit that was by the chair was open. And it made police speculate that someone asked Molly for assistance
00:32:06
and was like, do you have a thing? And she went to look for it, and then, you know.
00:32:10
Ted Bundy style, like, oh, my arm is broken. Can you open your first aid kit? Totally.
00:32:14
so the mom was like this fucking creepy man was here yesterday and made me creep creeped out and
00:32:22
so maggie the mom tells someone what she look what he looks like and they draw a composite sketch of
00:32:29
him and uh they said the man is the best lead and witnesses came forward and said that they saw a
00:32:36
similar white car in the parking lot moments before molly and the mom arrived the day molly
00:32:40
disappeared. And so Felice produced a composite sketch. Oh, you guys like that? Oh, I didn't
00:32:49
realize. I'm new with this. Fuck. Stephen. It's Stephen Ray Morris Sr. I thought people
00:33:01
were freaked out by the word composite sketch. I know. They like the way you pronounced it.
00:33:06
Yeah, wrong. Creep. Oh, I don't want to see that guy anywhere. I know. I don't want to see that guy anywhere.
00:33:13
I know. That's malice in the eyes. Yeah. That's what she said. He looked cocky, she said.
00:33:20
Right? Okay. Sorry, hold on. I think the visual aids are really adding a huge element to this show.
00:33:26
Yeah, why didn't... Whose idea? Was that you? I think it was Joe, our tour manager, and Steven.
00:33:33
Joe and Steven producing the shit out of this show. We're like, all we need is a tiny table and some uncomfortable chairs, and we're fine.
00:33:40
Well, maybe people want to see things. We just need you to whittle down a normal-sized table and then get us really high cocktail chairs.
00:33:49
I'll take care of the bad nylons. Whatever else you feel like doing, you can go ahead and do it.
00:33:54
Great, great. Okay, then began what became the largest and most expensive search for a missing person ever undertaken.
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in Massachusetts, but no clues were ever found. Until late fall of 2002, a hunter is in the woods
00:34:16
and he sees a blue bathing suit on Whiskey Hill in Palmer. Anyone? Anyone? No. Cool.
00:34:25
No, you can't cheer if you just recognize it. That's not. They're like, yeah, someone probably
00:34:29
lives there i've seen palmer yeah emerson lincoln i love that uh the guy rolled your eyes at your
00:34:38
own reference just now i do that jesus that just came out of my mouth that girl is something else
00:34:44
uh so the dude doesn't think anything of it but he mentions it to his friend and the friend is like i'm like really smart and i make the connection he does it
00:34:53
His name is Tim McGue. Nope. His name is Tim, and he makes the connection. We call him Tim Mickey.
00:35:03
Tim Mickey. Mickey G. Tim McG. The old sharp eye Mick Timmy. That's what we call him.
00:35:11
The old brainy brain investigator. He contacts police. Whatever his name is, he contacts police.
00:35:18
Then on June 9th, 2003, the day after my birthday, who gives a shit. Put it in your calendar.
00:35:27
So it's two years after disappearing. Molly's body is found five miles from her family home.
00:35:35
Yeah. So he had seen the blue bathing suit and then fuck. There are three main suspects that I could find
00:35:42
and I'm going to list them in maybe they did it to yeah, they totally did it order.
00:35:49
Yeah. So in 2007 a man named Robert Berno who 54 is charged with a Oh my God you guys I keep forgetting I keep forgetting I thought it was like that guy ran for Senate and he was a Trump guy
00:36:07
I just thought I said it wrong again. That's what happened. That happened to us in Seattle.
00:36:12
I fucking mentioned the detective that was investigating the Green River Killer that Ted Bundy helped.
00:36:18
I say the guy's name. The audience goes fucking berserk booing us. And I was like, well, that was a fun run.
00:36:25
I guess we're not doing this anymore. He's some lunatic Republican whatever. Oh my God, yeah.
00:36:32
There he is. I like that we're standing up like Victorian gentlemen for every fucking criminal that comes up.
00:36:44
So Robert Bruno, he's 54. He looks like the sketch, kind of, right? Well, he's got those eyes.
00:36:52
Jesus Christ. And a mustache. And this is when he's older, too, so it could be very different.
00:36:58
So he had been charged with annoying and accosting a person of the opposite sex.
00:37:05
Which is like, dude. And assault with a dangerous weapon, a car. Was he, like, just pulling up and tapping her with the bumper over and over?
00:37:18
Hey, hey, hey, what's going on? Actually, yeah. Oh, what? This chick is, this young woman is running on Broomfield's Little Alum Road, and he keeps trying to pin her against the guardrail with his car.
00:37:37
Yeah, you can't pepper spray a car. I mean. What do you fucking do? But she got away like a badass.
00:37:46
That's, I feel like that's really unfair. I know. to try to pin someone with your car
00:37:53
when they're just a jogger. Yeah. That's when you have the least amount of clothes on.
00:37:58
Yeah. Like at least, yeah. Anyway. At least get near enough that I could maybe pepper spray you.
00:38:04
She got away. She got away. She got away. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So the only connection that is known of
00:38:10
is that Bruno's brother lives about 3.2 miles from where Molly was found. And he's fucking assaulting a woman.
00:38:18
he had lived in the town of Agawam I knew you'd help say it again I'm sorry Agawam
00:38:29
so you fucking know that one the other ones are easy to fucking say that's cool fuck yes
00:38:41
Worcester thank you thank you I'm truly embarrassed about that one. I mean, there's so many things to choose from.
00:38:55
Why pick that? Please. I am from Southern California. So hard. There's just no way.
00:39:05
I find that what helps with the Boston accent is if you put your shoulders up and squint your eyes like,
00:39:10
Worcester. I don't know why. Can I say, too, that like two of the nicest people on the street
00:39:19
helped me with something that in LA they would have yelled at me for. I'd like dropped something
00:39:24
and like two people were like, hey, like ran me down and we're so, and I was being a fucking idiot
00:39:28
and like looking at my phone like a dick. Like it was totally me being, anyways, they were really nice.
00:39:33
So thanks Boston. That was just a sidebar anecdote about something that happened.
00:39:38
I just want to say how nice everyone is, even though they scream names at me. I thought you were going to be like,
00:39:45
how they came up to you with their accents or something. Yeah, they had like the best accents too.
00:39:49
Do it. No. Come on. I'm not going to offend them again. They don't care. They love it.
00:39:56
You dropped your box. My mother saw you drop your box. Something like that? Theater school. Years and years of theater school.
00:40:07
Maybe later. Maybe later. I'm sweating. 3.2 miles from where Molly is found. He had lived in the town of Agawam.
00:40:24
Pretended to sing along. It's a call and repeat. Where 24-year-old Lisa Zygart was...
00:40:35
Zygart. Fuck, man. Zygart. I just wish you guys would all come to my house and I'll yell fucking names at you.
00:40:45
It's Kilgareth with an A. It's a flat A. Hard Stark. Fuck. Georgia. No, it's Georgia.
00:40:55
Karen. It's really easy. You didn't get it wrong. I can't yell at you about that.
00:41:01
Okay, so Lisa was abducted from her part-time job at a card shop on April 15, 1992.
00:41:08
And a Gawam. She's doing it on purpose now. I'm kidding, I'm kidding. She's doing it for attention.
00:41:14
I am. It's about 30 miles from Warren. It's Warren. Sorry, sorry. Now let's let her tell the story.
00:41:30
I wish she wouldn't. Lisa's body was discovered in a wooded area four days after she was abducted
00:41:36
and she'd been stabbed to death. Poor baby, I know. Little Alum Road, where Bruno attempted to accost the jogger,
00:41:44
is about five miles from Common's Pond, where Molly was abducted. Yeah. And also...
00:41:51
You're getting one of those things, like, if it was a procedural, there would be like a pin with a piece of thread No yeah then someone making a circle with it No if I were a professional there be a fucking map right here I mean could you imagine a map with circles on it
00:42:05
Red and green, whatnot? I was gonna. I really thought about it. Are you serious?
00:42:10
Yeah. Like designing some kind of a map circle? Yeah, but, you know. You had to curl that hair.
00:42:16
You know, this hair doesn't curl itself. Girl stuff. And then... Oh, and also his mugshot resembles the person the mother saw.
00:42:30
And she said that the similarities between them are frightening. Quote. All right.
00:42:35
Suspect number two. In November 2011, Gerald Bassettoni... Gerald. Gerald! I was so proud of myself for getting that...
00:42:47
Sorry. I'm sorry. No, you're right. What is wrong with me? Well, you're all freaked out now.
00:42:52
I am. I'm so sweaty. Don't. Let's get this dry clean. Take it out of my... Shit.
00:43:06
How many dudes look this evil in this area? Like, it doesn't, but it does. Like, look at those eyes.
00:43:13
Those eyes. Look at that pout. Like, the grimace. Those are mean. it's him it's fucking him also those are the same eyes of every like 58 year old woman in beverly
00:43:24
hills that's what it looks like when you get plastic surgery nobody ever believes you're
00:43:30
younger that's some bloat right there you just look like a potential murderer that's a fucking
00:43:36
that's some hardcore natty light bloat happening right there you know oh yeah i think it's him
00:43:43
Look at them. Look at the fucking, look at the, um, in the middle of his eyes, the brow furrow.
00:43:47
Yeah. Dude. If I could do anything with computers, what I would do right now is an animated GIF that draws on that mustache on that picture.
00:43:56
Oh, yeah. Kind of real sketch. I love when they take the two, um, the real picture and the sketch and they go, soup.
00:44:03
And you're like, oh my God, but it's not him even. It's just, you can be convinced of anything.
00:44:07
Yeah. You're just like, the picture's blended and it makes him guilty. Gerald. His name's Gerald.
00:44:15
It's Gerald, yeah. He was a confidential informant for the Eastern Hampton County Narcotic Task Force.
00:44:23
Which, he's a narc. That doesn't mean he's a good guy. He was like a fucking, got arrested and was like,
00:44:28
I'll tell you everything. He's a fucking rat. He was a soul pigeon. Now I'm doing New York.
00:44:34
I've lost my, I've lost the ear. We'll be there tomorrow. Bop, bop, bop, bop. Where did I go?
00:44:40
Okay. So he's a jerk, and he's named as a suspect by a private detective, and he's served a prison sentence for repeatedly raping a teenaged girl in the 1990s.
00:44:54
I know. I think it was his girlfriend's best friend's daughter. He's a fucking creep piece of shit.
00:45:04
Okay. So he had a criminal record dating back to 1980, and he had been in the area where Molly Bish's body was found
00:45:11
and resembles the sketch. Who doesn't? I mean, I spit my photo up there. He attempted suicide in prison by slitting his own throat
00:45:23
after newspaper articles identified him as a potential suspect. Wait. Guilty as fuck.
00:45:29
But he's already in jail? In jail for something unrelated. It comes out in the paper and they're like...
00:45:36
And now he's ashamed. Yeah, I think he's there for the... No, now he's like, oh, shit, I absolutely did it.
00:45:42
Goodbye. You know what I mean? Yeah. And you also don't... I don't think you slit your own throat.
00:45:47
That's not a chill. I'm going to make it look like I want to die. That's not a...
00:45:51
No, you're out of there. You're giving it your best shot. Yeah. So, but unrelated to the suicide, he died in November 2014.
00:46:02
So you're saying he did it? That's number two. That's number two. And then finally, don't make me decide yet.
00:46:10
Okay. This is like the worst dating game ever. Do you want the weasel-eyed bachelor number one?
00:46:22
Now you can take the sketch guy, you can take the guy who was sketched out, but then he'll kill you.
00:46:27
All right. So in 2009, last suspect, a woman named Crystal Morrison, who's 50, she's a former Warren local who's now living in Florida.
00:46:37
She makes a series of really weird calls to her sister, Bonnie. And in the calls, Crystal is whispering and would bring up the topic of murder and repeatedly ask the name of Bonnie's bird, which was Molly.
00:46:49
Like in a really weird, like, oh, what's your bird's name? Like to make her keep saying it.
00:46:53
Trying to give her some kind of signal. Yeah. and the sisters found the crystals found dead and bonnie the sister who was on the phone was like
00:47:02
tells massachusetts authorities about her sister's boyfriend who ends up getting convicted for the
00:47:06
murder um of crystal bonnie tells him that the um that rodney where did i put his name rodney he
00:47:14
had lived in this guy lived in southbridge massachusetts a few miles fuck i keep getting
00:47:19
freaked out no it's that guy someone's like i live in southbridge too it's gotta be this guy
00:47:24
that's that guy i don't know i think the other well yeah yeah it's this guy i wish we could
00:47:36
see his photo like this is 2009 i think i wish we could see him and i wish he i wish he would
00:47:42
put a bunch of walnuts in his cheeks so he would match that guy then we'd know that's how we know
00:47:49
Let's give him a facelift in jail. You guys will all band together, start a Kickstarter.
00:47:57
I'm sorry, but this is our new show. They're like, look at pictures. Where people gasp at us, we freak out, and then we all turn and look at the photos.
00:48:06
We forget over and over like lunatics. Over and over. All right, so this psychopath.
00:48:14
So he lived in the area a few miles from the town of Warren, where Molly disappeared, for more than 20 years and moved to Florida a year after Molly was murdered.
00:48:25
Red flag. Yeah. He was known to have access to a white car, similar to the one seen the day before Molly's disappearance, and was known to fish in Commons Pond and hunt in the woods where Molly's body had been found.
00:48:39
Knew the area. Knew the fucking area. Yeah. Multiple areas. And it wasn't until 2013, a further connection between them, between Molly and Rodney, appeared.
00:48:51
weeks before her disappearance in Southbridge, Molly, who lives in Warren she actually took the classes
00:48:57
for the certification for her lifeguard certificate oh, his name is Rodney Stranger, by the way
00:49:05
like Stranger, like making a murderous just an L away what? oh, oh, what was your thing?
00:49:12
nothing, sorry so she's taking her certification for lifeguarding and it's in Southbridge
00:49:18
where he lives and so his house is just three-tenths of a mile from the place where she takes her classes which
00:49:25
i think is the ymca so like he probably goes and hangs out there too and then it's speculated that
00:49:29
the two maybe met there's a local coffee shop where everyone hangs out and she's really friendly
00:49:35
and outgoing her parents said and so if he was like chatting her up and they were talking and
00:49:39
he's like so what are you doing in town and she's like oh i'm gonna be a lifeguard oh when are you
00:49:43
gonna go where are you oh i go to commons pond i fish there you know what i mean maybe i'll come
00:49:47
visit you know and then she's and then he comes up to her lifeguard stand he's like hey remember me
00:49:50
i need a band-aid and she's like okay because she fucking trusts him oh it's my good friend from the
00:49:54
cafe with the huge mustache and the worst eyes i've ever seen i better help him yeah man yeah
00:50:03
um yeah so she maybe told him that then in september of last year um so just september 2016
00:50:13
enhanced DNA testing quote became available in September for the DNA that they had. So detectives wanted
00:50:23
to test it. 24 pieces of evidence collected during the investigation. Additional evidence that had never been
00:50:29
tested. It hasn't been tested yet and a sister said she had not been told which items
00:50:35
will be tested but it came from the pond where Molly was last seen. So here's molly bish a photo of her i know i had that flannel i think i know all those pictures of her you just
00:50:51
know that girl i know it's just that like you went to high school with that girl choker she has a
00:50:57
necklace like a hemp necklace wait is this 1997 2000 she's like the same thing when you're in
00:51:03
Massachusetts, right? No, you have to deal with it. We have microphones. She slammed you.
00:51:11
That's coming out of my fucking mouth. That's my new laugh. Not you. Karen, it's so charming.
00:51:21
Isn't it neat? Yeah, so hopefully they'll test that DNA and we'll get an update on this case and then
00:51:26
Rodney Stringer, who's clearly the fucking killer, will be... Should we make a friendly wager on it?
00:51:32
I bet you $2,000 it's not. No, I'm just kidding. I was like, that's a lot of first class.
00:51:40
It's one. That's one. That's one way. Let's all go to the jail cell where he's in right now.
00:51:46
Fucking beat it out of him. What? We're not allowed to say anything like that? No.
00:51:52
Oh, because then they're like, she incited people. There's 3,000 people here. No, there's not.
00:51:59
Stephen, don't let me get arrested. Edit out any arrest or problem that I caused.
00:52:10
Even by the rest of my life. Yeah, I saw that her mom is on one special that's heartbreaking.
00:52:17
Why? Because her mom, you know, worked so hard to find her and was so active, and it's very sad.
00:52:24
there's also one of the it's like the worst funny thing of all time do you guys know what I'm talking about
00:52:34
it's a news it's a local news report and they are talking about this case but when
00:52:41
they go to put up that guy's picture it's a picture of a hamster instead I was not expecting that
00:52:51
it is so funny terrible like because the reporter it's very sad and serious it's well into the case who did that
00:53:01
some fuck up in like the graphics department was like then we do the hamster story and it's like
00:53:07
no no no no thank god we don't have that yeah yeah ours are fucking spot on i thought you were
00:53:15
gonna say it was like it was the like vacations photos from the newscaster no that's worse you
00:53:21
have to look it up because it's it's hilarious terrible but also here's how i'm you know my early
00:53:27
murderino the first time somebody showed me that it was like in a writer's room and instead of
00:53:33
laughing at the hamster i was like i know the molly bish case and then that's what i wanted to
00:53:37
talk about or just like that's actually an incredibly sad case because i know i hate when
00:53:42
people like casually bring something up that has that they don't even care about murder and then
00:53:46
you're like oh you know that what's crazy about that case is that this happened and then they're
00:53:49
like, hey. Like, don't start it. You don't want to hear it. Vince was trying to help me find like a murder for New York And then I was like oh that case is cool because and then he was just like I just giving you names OK we back Are there updates for this case
00:54:07
Yeah, I have updates. I feel like this is one of those cases that a lot more people know about now and is one of those cold cases that everyone kind of talks about.
00:54:16
Yes. And so 25 years have now passed since Molly Bish was murdered. Her case remains unsolved.
00:54:22
In 2021, investigators announced a new person of interest, a man who died in 2016 but was a known sex offender with an extensive criminal history.
00:54:32
The police haven't publicly stated how this man relates to Molly's case, but he remains a person of interest to this day.
00:54:38
So today, Molly's loved ones advocate for child and family safety through the Molly Bish Foundation.
00:54:44
In an interview this year of 2025, her mother Maggie said, We feel very optimistic that someday this case will be solved.
00:54:51
There's newer ideas, new DNA, new people on the case. And I do think they're so, so close to figuring this one out.
00:55:00
Well, and also what a beautiful thing, hopefully, that her mother knows. There are these things called citizen sleuths who really have been there with this case since it began.
00:55:09
Since we all saw it on cold case files or on forensic files or whatever, you know,
00:55:16
ID channel show that we saw it on and kind of grew up with it. And it's like knowing that this is one of those ones that's just sitting out there.
00:55:23
People really do care and are paying attention and just want that answer and want to try to help with that answer.
00:55:29
For sure. And it's not a thing you can like calculate, obviously, but I bet her story being out there and their advocacy work has saved women and girls lives.
00:55:38
There's no way to know, of course, for sure. But knowing that story has made women and girls be a little more cautious and I'm sure saved lives.
00:55:47
So, yeah, you know. All right. Let's get into your story. This one is the story of the Giggler.
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I got all of this off of a blog called I Did It For Jodi. Have you read that? I've never seen it before.
00:58:56
and it's the person that told this story really well. So most of this is fucking straight up plagiarism.
00:59:05
But it's a really good true crime blog. Yeah. With a lot of other stuff on it. So shout out and full apologies.
00:59:12
Don't sue me. I changed every fourth word. Okay. This is the case, Boston's notorious case of the Giggler.
00:59:24
Do you know the Giggler? Giggler. In California, we call him the Giggler. All right.
00:59:30
Nobody. Like, they made that up for people who, so they can tell they're not from around here.
00:59:36
That's right, it's a test. Yeah. We're like, there's actually no Giggler. At 1.30 in the morning on June 13th, 1969,
00:59:44
a call came through to the Boston PD switchboard, and the voice on the other line said,
00:59:48
My dia, at the corner of Washington? That's the only, I can't really do it. Boston is really is truly the hardest accent Yeah You can you can tell Yes you should be very proud of that High fives all around There nothing worse than when a movie is set in Boston
01:00:07
and there are people who are bad actors in that movie. We can tell. Thank you, Boston.
01:00:16
Don't worry. We don't think that fucking any of these people sound like that. Well, also, it's just like, get fucking Matt Damon
01:00:23
if you can't get somebody that can do the act. I'm sure they have actors in Boston.
01:00:28
There's so many Afflecks that want to be in this business. Pull them in. Get them in there.
01:00:34
No, I know, right? We all have opinions, everybody. So the guy on the other line at the Boston PD switchboard says,
01:00:44
My dear, at the corner of Washington, I'm not trying to be in a movie right now.
01:00:49
The corner of Washington and Neyland streets in a construction site, there'll be a man down in the water dead then he identified himself as the giggler
01:00:58
cackled like a maniac and hung up oh can you imagine like having to go home that night after
01:01:05
taking that call and be like i talked to the biggest nerd in boston tonight you're not gonna fucking name yourself you yes he must have like loved batman or something
01:01:17
and be like, I want to kill people, but I'm also super nerdy. You just heard from the giggler.
01:01:26
It gets so hard to fake laugh anyway. It's hard to giggle. Yeah. And also you're a man.
01:01:33
Yeah. How would you do it? That sounds right. I bet she was like not so much like scared as she was so, so sad for him.
01:01:43
Hmm. So when the police arrived at that location, which is a square in the middle of a place called,
01:01:51
these guys know it, I don't know, Georgia, if you know it, it's called the Combat Zone.
01:01:56
So it's a dirty, dirty, dirty place here in Boston. I bet it's not anymore. Oh, we're in it!
01:02:04
What? We're in it! We're in it right now? We're in the fucking Combat Zone? And then it just fucking turns into a strip show.
01:02:15
Uh-uh, uh-uh, uh-uh, uh-uh, uh-uh, uh-uh, uh-uh, uh-uh, uh-uh, uh-uh. Steven. Steven crawls out in a gold lame bikini bottom.
01:02:28
Go, go. No touching, no touching. I don't know why we're stripping all of a sudden.
01:02:35
Fuck, we're in the combat zone, dude. Got it. All right. That changes my whole experience.
01:02:43
so somewhere nearby here they find a dead man who is submerged with his skull crushed
01:02:57
in a water filled ditch so this man his name was Joe Breen and according to his friends
01:03:04
he had spent his last night on earth drinking at a bar called the Novelty I doubt
01:03:10
you're in it let's all go there after the show I would because what he did on this last night on earth
01:03:23
was drink beer and play shuffleboard that's all I need alright we love you Garrett
01:03:33
fuck you mom I told you not to come here thank you That's what tore us apart. That was a lot. That's insanely rude. Look, we're in the combat zone, baby. It's rough. It's rough in here. It's one-sided compliments and shit.
01:03:56
Okay, so his friends say that at the novelty is where Joe Breen met a chubby, dark-haired stranger who he continued to play shuffleboard with after his friends were like, no, let's go across the street to that other bar.
01:04:11
And then when the bars closed, Joe's friends came back to the novelty to get him,
01:04:16
but found that neither he nor his new friend were there anymore. And one of the guys that were in Joe's group of friends was a cop.
01:04:26
And so after Joe's body was found, this guy went back to the novelty for like night after night for like a month
01:04:38
to see if he could see the guy again, but the guy never showed up again. So six months later, on December 26th,
01:04:45
nine-year-old Kenneth Martin is reported missing. He was last seen near South Station.
01:04:55
Oh, is that good? People are like, ooh, that's Tony. He must have been rich. South Station's bad.
01:05:04
okay well that's appropriate because terrible things happen there and i'm going to tell you
01:05:10
what they are on january 6th an anonymous tipster calls and says that uh kenneth martin's body can
01:05:17
be found in one of the tunnels beneath south station but he didn't announce himself or laugh
01:05:24
this time i bet he felt stupid about the first time so he's like i'm not doing that anymore
01:05:29
It stuck anyway. So the police went down there. It took two days to locate Kenneth's body,
01:05:37
and he was lying under a canvas tarp. He had been strangled to death, and the twine was still around his neck,
01:05:44
but there were no signs of sexual assault. It turns out that Kenneth Martin had worked
01:05:50
at the South Station bowling alley. Is that still there? Don you think it should be I bet it one of those like the old fashioned ones that had the small the small little balls and you had to put the pins Yes it was What are you yelling
01:06:06
Candlepin. Candlepin. Candlepin. Southern California doesn't have that. We've got the biggest pins in the world.
01:06:16
It was one of those because he, Kenneth's job was to reset those pins. He made a little money, resetting the pins at this shitty station bowling alley.
01:06:27
Fuck, man. But the good part about that was because he worked there, everybody else that worked there knew him.
01:06:33
And so they saw him when he, they basically saw the last person that was with him.
01:06:41
And that was Kenneth Harrison, 31, an unemployed cook who, look, oh, fuck. I knew somehow.
01:06:51
Oh, he doesn't look chill. Yeah, so this guy basically sleeps in unoccupied offices and spaces in South Station, which I hear is great.
01:07:04
It's an up-and-coming area now. Those offices go for 3,500 a month. They call them lofts now.
01:07:10
They're lofts now. I can't believe you hand-wrote this. I know. this is such a bad idea this looks like fucking quills like it's like i'm a lunatic inside of an
01:07:27
asylum like and then the man took the child jesus christ what is my life okay it's first class uh
01:07:37
oh i wrote that's why i was so lost because i just randomly wrote good eye bowling alley dude
01:07:42
stop it Karen okay um I said he'd been at the bowling alley long enough to know that if you see
01:07:53
a 31 year old cook and a 9 year old boy palling around together and you're not at a magic the gathering
01:07:58
gathering then why don't you go ahead and call the police and that's what they did
01:08:04
whatever it takes I know they're like there's no way she's attacking magic the gathering
01:08:10
She threw down. She doesn't give a fuck. She's more of a World of Warcraft kind of girl.
01:08:16
I don't know if those are even close to each other. Turns out when the cops went to talk to Kenneth Harrison,
01:08:24
he had, the day before, jumped on a train to Providence, Rhode Island. Hi. Is that a fun train trip?
01:08:34
It's, yeah. It's close because, never mind. What? I met some nice murderinos when I was having lunch earlier, and they told me we're in Rhode Island, and I was like, oh, so did you guys come in for the day, or fly in?
01:08:48
And they're like, it's like an hour away. Would you take a boat or a train? They're very nice about it, though.
01:09:00
Where we live, it takes seven hours to get anywhere else. Like in the city, in the same city.
01:09:06
In that one city. Don't come to LA. and Boston are so different. Thank you. Oh, no, you're getting one.
01:09:12
Well, it's from probably the ladies at the bar. Oh, I see. They're the ones you talk to about Providence, Rhode Island.
01:09:19
I like to picture that it's like a soap dish thing where you're going up to people being like,
01:09:24
where's Providence, Rhode Island? Do you listen to podcasts? Like it's clearly a girl that's coming to the show.
01:09:31
You can just tell. You see her shirt. Yeah, you have pins on. I know you're coming.
01:09:36
All right. So the police bring Kenneth Harrison back to Boston and they interrogate him.
01:09:46
And Kenneth tells police that he was sitting in an office and he was suddenly struck with the urge to kill.
01:09:56
And that's when Kenneth rolled on by. And he has no memory of it because he was blackout drunk.
01:10:04
He claims that he woke up down in the tunnels next to the dead body. He covered it with the canvas and left because he said, oh, he called it in and then he left because he felt bad.
01:10:22
And then the cops were like, oh, really? Is that your story? And then Kenneth Harrison said, well, as long as I'm here, I might as well tell you about a few more.
01:10:31
Whoa! Because I'm the giggler. So, two and a half years earlier, while he was, this is fucked up.
01:10:46
We've been having a nice time so far. It's about to get really not that great. While he was working as a cab driver, he saw six-year-old Lucy Palmarin.
01:10:58
She's going to come up in a second. Well, I mean, yeah. So he sees her walking. this is that thing too she's six years old walking to the store to get candy six six years old because
01:11:09
it's the 60s she's she's this big it's the 90s even get out of here i don't want to see you till
01:11:15
the sun goes down lucy go go play fucking go walk around the south side of boston yeah world of
01:11:24
warcraft isn't invented yet go play just go um so he is in his cab he offers her a ride
01:11:31
and she gets in. He's friendly enough. She gets in willingly. They drive around the neighborhood for a bit
01:11:38
and then he parks the cab on a bridge overlooking Fort Point Channel. Oh, God. Which is the site of the Boston Tea Party, Georgia.
01:11:46
You'll be tested later on that. What's that? I just didn't even know to begin with.
01:11:54
Thanks. Everyone's so pissed. I know what it is. it's hard it's hard to be vulnerable um so so they get out of the cab and he
01:12:11
encourages her to get on his back because he's going to give her a piggyback ride no and uh
01:12:18
then he tells the police he was again struck with that urge to kill and so instead of putting her
01:12:24
like up on his shoulders which is not a piggyback ride but it's how the thing was written so i
01:12:29
I just have to copy and paste as I see it. He, instead of lifting her to put her on his shoulders,
01:12:38
he just throws her off the page. Oh, fuck. Yeah. Get out. So five weeks later, Lucy's body is found on May 24th.
01:12:52
But since there was no one witnessed, it was the middle of the day, nobody witnessed it happening.
01:12:57
her death was ruled accidental. And then on November 26, 1968, while walking across that same bridge,
01:13:06
he spots 75-year-old Clover Parker, an old lady who had been slipping on the ice and had a cane.
01:13:15
Clover. And he walked over to help her and was, again, struck with the urge to kill.
01:13:24
And so he punched her in the face a couple of times. and then threw her off the bridge again in broad daylight where what is the situation with this
01:13:34
bridge is there a bunch of trees nearby why am i asking why am i asking you um do you think anyone's
01:13:41
on their first date right now and one person was like what do you want to do and she's like i want
01:13:45
to go to this thing you want to come i really want you to like try it i like yeah and they're like
01:13:49
this state's over yeah the one person's all after this we're gonna go back and we're gonna have some drinks and the
01:13:58
other person's like already texting their friend like you have to fucking come get me at the
01:14:01
right now why did you set me up with her what the fuck what who is this yeah that's fine
01:14:10
the bruising on her face the beating uh was mistaken for post-mortem injuries and so again
01:14:20
it was ruled an accidental death. Then seven months later is when he met up with Joe Breen
01:14:26
and beat him to death with a rock. He had hit him in the head with a rock. But then in his confession, he wasn't done
01:14:37
because then he rolled it all the way back to January 28, 1966, which was the date of the Paramount Hotel fire.
01:14:45
that was a well-known hobo hotel here in the combat zone. We don't say hobo anymore.
01:14:52
You can't say it? No. Hobo's bad? Hobo's bad. No, it's not. Is it a train worker?
01:15:01
So he basically, 50 people were injured, 11 people died in this fire, and it was decided that it was because of a gas leak
01:15:10
until Kenneth Harrison explained that he set that hotel on fire because he wanted to watch it burn.
01:15:18
What? So he was tried for Kenneth Martin murder first and he was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole And then just to get it all taken care of altogether his lawyers struck a deal so that in exchange for him pleading guilty to second degree murder in each case each of the other cases
01:15:39
he was given three life sentences with the possibility of parole to run concurrently with the one where there was no fucking way he was getting out.
01:15:47
So it was all just kind of like, do you want this, Kenneth? Okay. Can you imagine like that's his best bet?
01:15:55
Yeah. Like they're not talking around. Yeah. He's like, could I also have stickers?
01:16:02
No, sorry. Stickers are only for the good boys. All right. So then he was sentenced to hard labor at Walpole State Prison.
01:16:13
Ooh. you guys summer there there's just a row of dudes in like orange jumpsuits chained together they're just like
01:16:24
yeah that's what i came here for finally so i mean instead of going to walpole they send them
01:16:32
to bridgewater state hospital for the mentally and for the criminally insane now i have to tell you
01:16:39
in our next show, we're doing different murders tonight. And I know, right? And I don't know what the
01:16:47
problem is with that. We're changing eyes variety. They're not as good. Don't worry.
01:16:53
Bridgewater State Hospital plays into so many crimes here. It's... They send everybody there.
01:17:00
It's terrible. It's terrible. Get the fuck in there. Well, you can't. There's a really upsetting
01:17:06
documentary called The Titty Cut Follies. and it's about, it's hard to find. They pulled it because it was an infringement
01:17:13
of people's privacy, but this guy went in and made a documentary about life inside this
01:17:18
state prison. Oh, is that why Geraldo Rivera went to that? No, that was the one that was in Staten Island.
01:17:24
But similar, I bet you that probably gave Geraldo the idea because it was this thing
01:17:28
where they went in of like, oh, this is every year they do a talent show at Bridgewater, right?
01:17:34
At Bridgewater State Prison, they do a talent show And so they were like, we're going to go film that.
01:17:38
But of course, what they were really filming is this fucking the way people are treated and how awful it was and dehumanizing and everything.
01:17:46
So just thought I'd throw that movie recommendation out for you. If you have a fun weekend planned, throw that one in there just to see man's inhumanity to man.
01:17:59
So Kenneth Harrison stayed at Bridgewater for 20 years. And then in April of 1989, they told him that he was scheduled to be to finally be transferred.
01:18:08
They gave a nice 20 year holding period. And then they said, you're going to get transferred to the state prison.
01:18:14
So he OD'd on his antidepressants. OK, we're back. What a creepy story. Karen, do you have any updates?
01:18:25
Well, there's no updates about the case. but I did mention that I sourced this story entirely from a website called I Did It For Jodi
01:18:33
that again a quick reminder it's 2017 George and I are doing our own research in our hotel rooms
01:18:39
hours before these live shows go on the air yeah it real catch so when I would find a website like this of like a person who like dedicating their time I be like thank God someone doing this whatever So they looked it up This website is no longer active but it was a reputable anonymous true crime website from 2011 to 2021
01:19:01
And then it just disappeared between June and July of 2021. However, somebody else went and created archives.
01:19:09
So if you go to the Wayback Machine, you can read old posts on I Did It For Jodi.
01:19:16
Basically, another fan of that work and that writing wanted to ensure that the anonymous author of I Did It For Jodi's deep dive work remains accessible to true crime fans and readers.
01:19:28
That's just a reminder, everyone, that nothing is ever actually deleted from the Internet.
01:19:33
Don't forget that when you write something stupid at three in the morning. And don't forget that when you record something stupid and talking about true crime.
01:19:44
Oh, it's too late for us, man. I mean, we're long gone. But if you want to, you can go read I Did It For Jodi at ididitforjodiarchive.wordpress.com.
01:19:54
And Jodi is J-O-D-I-E. Just everyone. All right. Is that everything? Also, in my story, that moment where in the story I'm explaining and this took place in the combat zone and the audience goes crazy.
01:20:06
And I had no idea what was going on. It was so confusing where we're like, oh, is this what it's going to be?
01:20:12
Where they're just going to yell at us randomly or whatever. And then it's like, you're in the combat zone.
01:20:19
What a weird thing to name a neighborhood, the combat zone. I guess it was pretty bad at a certain time.
01:20:24
But also, I'm pretty sure that this was the show where when we were done, you and I alone on the road together went out to dinner.
01:20:32
We walked two blocks up the street and you couldn't go too far because you had your little raincoat on and it was 20 degrees in Boston.
01:20:39
And we went into that like bar restaurant and we're sitting there talking. And then I'm like, I think people are looking at us.
01:20:45
And like basically we walked right into people eating dinner after the show. That was like that was the time we realized we have to go either get room service or go to the other side of town after the show.
01:21:00
Unless we want to say hi to everyone, do a meet and greet. Unless we want to force other people to have like a reception for us at a public place, which isn't really our style.
01:21:09
They're like, we've seen you already. We've gotten enough of you. Yes. It was lovely, though. I remember how fun and funny those people were.
01:21:19
Because from what I remember, it was like a group of men and women that were like, hey, we were just at your show.
01:21:24
It was very weird, of course, for us. It was very new and very touching how fun and friendly they were.
01:21:31
Yeah, it was very casual. So thanks, guys. Cool. Yeah. So that's it. I mean, this is this episode.
01:21:38
And we named it Live at the Wilbur. How do you be to name that perfect? It's very beautiful.
01:21:43
But we've got to try. We always have to try. Yes. Maybe we'd call this episode Worst Magician of All Time.
01:21:50
Yeah. Your grandma keeping tissues up her sleeve. Like the worst magician of all time.
01:21:56
There's also Hard Left Turn, which is basically, it was just a joke subject change.
01:22:03
We really relied on Stephen in these early live shows of making Stephen jokes and referencing Stephen.
01:22:09
We did. He was very important. Oh you did one of your great here another suggestion for a title which is one of your great mispronunciations kind of new word inventions on stage What is that What do I say Agawam Yeah it a you say it agawam and the audience yells at you agawam
01:22:27
That makes sense. And you know what? I think that's how far we've come and how far I've come is I kind of know now that that would be agawam. You know what I mean? Like I've learned how to say words so much better since 2017. Not perfect.
01:22:40
No, but and also we learned to like, hey, why don't you try to look up a local newscast where they would pronounce it perfectly for you?
01:22:48
Do a lot of stuff like that. But again, tricks of the trade. Didn't have time. I was writing that story in that hotel room.
01:22:54
That's right. We're ordering room service. Okay, Boston, we will see you so soon.
01:23:00
So if you got tickets, we'll see you September 20th. All right, let's let us from 2017 say goodbye in the theater.
01:23:07
Perfect. Do we have time for a... Do we? Do the people? One guy's like, no, this date sucks.
01:23:19
I don't have my glasses on. Can you look over there and see if they're telling us yes or no?
01:23:23
Oh, they're saying no. They're saying no. Sorry. I guess I should have looked before I asked.
01:23:32
We should have looked first. That's our lesson. No, a guy yelling yo, yo, yo, yo, wait isn't going to work out here at this show, my friend.
01:23:40
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