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It's Wednesday and that means we're recapping our old shows with all new commentary, updates and insights.
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Today we're looking back on episode number 61, which we named Live at the Neptune.
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That's right. This is a Seattle live show and the episode came out on March 23rd, 2017.
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So let's listen to the intro of episode 61. Oh, hi! Hi! Guys, Seattle? Hi. Hi, Seattle?
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Are these microphones on? Can we... No? Can you hear us? Me, me, me, me, me. Me, yeah.
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What's up, Seattle? now i'm scared who's that empty row who's that fucking empty row
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lights up i want all those names what'd you say dead bodies the the fucking reserve families are a real bunch of dicks that's for sure
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crazy whose family is that i don't know it's the it's uh jim and donna neptune and they always get 15 seats at every show that they do.
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Oh my God, it's so good to be here with you guys. This is so exciting. This is the very last night of our weekend tour,
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first tour ever. Yes. And we're here. We're wrapping it down with Seattle. Thank God.
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That's for last. and just in time because we thought it'd be a good idea to wear the same dresses
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for the whole leg of the western tour so you wouldn't cheer for it if you could smell it
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these uh i love them they're going straight into the hotel room trash when i get home yeah i mean
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it's all filth now it's all ruined this feels like a dress when i first put it on the first
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night I was like, I'm a gorgeous princess, and tonight I'm like, I feel like Harold's mother from
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Harold and Maude. It feels like gross polyester, but pockets! What? Find me. Find me.
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Find my life. Find me. Follow me. No. Bye, Karen. Come on. Do this with me, like, guys.
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They won't participate. They won't do it. Refuses. refuses to work there it is there he is there i am oh she was just gonna keep going there's
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someone up there that's so mad right now i could have this in the fucking so angry um
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yeah we should wear different dresses every night now i'm how about pants and old shirts
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let's just wear whatever we want i'm not sure the dress thing may have been sarcastic at first and
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And then now we have to like weirdly commit to it. Like it's our tour and we have to be fancy in theaters.
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And it's like, well, you're not. Yeah. Look at you guys. Yeah. You know what? The night that we did Seattle, we fucking decided to wear whatever the fuck we wanted.
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I'm going to start. Feel that. Feel that. Feel that freedom. Feel it. I'm so relieved.
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I'm never wearing a bra again. Fucking just can't. And I think I'm like past the point of not being able to wear a bra anymore.
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But I don't care. How long did that take you? Just made it I came home one day and Vince was like oh where were you Were you out Were you around people He like I can see through your shirt
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Fuck that. I'm like, I don't care. But I just fucking can't do it. I mean. It's just, I should take it off.
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Anyways, hi. Hi. Yeah, you just went down into a hole there. I'm just kidding. Goodbye.
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I should, but I shouldn't. Has anyone ever thrown their bra into the audience and not the audience throwing their bra onto the stage?
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maybe I bet they have like it wants a $14 target bra yeah that smells so Karen I also you can tell it's the end of the tour because my fingernails look like
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the ones Katherine Martin saw in Buffalo Bills well can you see them good I don't
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know what I've been doing but literally it's like I look like I've been trying to climb my way out of a murderer's basement.
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That was a great reference. Like, I really dig the... You just did. Yeah, that's what I do for a living.
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Thank you. So you texted me when we got to our hotel and you were like, and I was like, this hotel.
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And you were like, I think it used to be a hospital. And I thought you were joking.
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And then I checked into my room and I think it used to be a hospital. I think it used to be a hospital, everybody.
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it smells a little bit like uh haunted bleach and like yeah there's a in the bathroom the bathroom door has one of those like um what's
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like the ship windows yes that's round and i think it's for like to make sure your patient
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isn't like sneaking drugs yeah so like the nurse can look in and hello are you okay
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Don't shiv yourself with that soap. It's not allowed. It's very rehabby. It's rehabby.
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This is Diet Coke. It's rehabby. There's also, there's kind of a feel to it. I was sitting in there typing, as we like to do before shows,
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and for a while, so that the lights kind of went dark, and I hadn't turned any lights on.
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And then in the hallway, a child screamed, and I almost, I was like, oh my God. Because it doesn't, there's no carpeting.
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No, I heard clonking upstairs and I was like, that'd be funny if it was a ghost.
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Yeah. But it's just, there's no carpeting. But did you see there's a giant pillow on the bed that says sleep with me?
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And I'm like, oh, that's my sleep podcast that I listen to. So maybe they, maybe they're fans of that podcast.
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The insomniacs here know what I'm talking about. What? What? Just the idea that your hotel would be like, I think I know what podcast she likes.
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sewing a pillow. When did you make that reservation? Three days ago? Sewing, sewing all night.
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I'm staying there again. I mean, we've been given weirder gifts. Am I wrong? So this is my favorite murder.
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Hi, everybody. Thanks for being here. No, you're freaking me out. Oh, you're into it now.
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Now you like doing light stuff. Okay. Good to know. That's so scary. Like, we can't really see anyone,
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which is good because this is scary and it feels like when like when like large marge makes her
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face all scary like when the lights or no when he has to like it's just one one lady with a huge
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face in the middle it's like oh fuck i don't i don't want to see that i want to pretend that this
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is not real it's fun it's totally fun it's we're in a fight ladies and gentlemen we're in a fight
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When we were upstairs, there's a record player and I put on the record that was there, which was like a K-Tel.
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I think it was called like Emotions or something. And there was all these songs from the 80s that were like every song from my junior high dance.
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And so I was kind of getting like an acid stomach. And Georgia was like doing something else.
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Like it seemed like she wasn't paying attention at all. And then all of a sudden there was a song on and it was sticks.
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It was a stick song. I can't remember what it was and all of a sudden Georgia snaps up and goes
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what is this? She doesn't even have a good voice It was so bad She sucked It made me feel like I was in a grocery store
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like a sad grocery store aisle Sorry Styx fans Just a ballad where I sing like this
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That's all it was in the 80s That's all we had No, I don't need that. We wanted more.
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We had Color Me Bad, just Low Dance, too. Oh. That's how old I am. Oh. Yeah. I was blackout drunk for Color Me Bad.
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It was probably up here a couple times. Yeah, it was fun. Oh, this is the other.
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I didn't start out on the store wearing these shoes with a dress. That probably wouldn't be my first choice.
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But I was like, fuck it, I can't do it anymore. Yeah. I had like huge heels for a while.
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You had heels on. Fuck that man. For who? Fuck. What am I doing? No offense. What else?
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We did a Vancouver show last night, which was, I think one guy's. Oh, that's right.
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There's a wagon train that came down from Vancouver that's at this show now. I think they're over there.
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Guess what? So at the end of the show, we were like going to have some of these to release and stuff,
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the live shows. And then they were like, that didn't work. we didn't get the recording so that was an exclusive show so we're gonna maybe tonight you
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guys things will happen and this will be an exclusive show too but yeah they came to us
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after and they're like it just didn't record and we're just like well it is a podcast so
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um so we just tell everybody about it yeah so if you get a call we gonna be like episode 58 here basically how it went It was so good So I go best show and then you just like and then I like say a Canadian name wrong
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Oh my God. We were hilarious last night. Oh my God. Best we've ever been in our lives. It was
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fucking incredible. We've ever been death jokes, everything you like. puns terrible puns don't be fun stevens like like you know talking about steven all the time we
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yelled at steven yelled at steven a lot did you see magical someone a bunch of people on instagram
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i wrote a thing about like that it didn't record and everyone was like steven you had one job
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in the comments like over and over and over again he wasn't even there he wasn't even there
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he was innocently sitting in los angeles stroking his own mustache and he's like i'm sure he was like did i do something wrong i guess you know what i probably
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did i probably did i'm really sorry sweet little i love cats my name is steven god bless his soul yeah that's a great description of him yeah um
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oh the reserved are finally mr and mrs reserved are finally here so real quick just real quick it's my cousin danny
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come on oh my god oh come on danny sit right here you think guys georgia you think you're better than us hi good how are you nice to meet you
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this is my cousin danny brown he's the youngest of all the cousins well chris is the youngest right chris is the youngest oh sorry oh no
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you know called said hey i'm gonna be in seattle this weekend too can i come to your show and i said be on time
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wait will you really quickly tell the story so i don't know if any of you you probably aren't but if there are any san francisco giants fans in the audience couple um
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then there's problems i know here's that so there's oh good so um do you want to tell that
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story of when you uh you got you were uh got to be famous for 15 minutes do you want me to do it
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for you and you can just chime in you do tell a better story than i do well so that was part of
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the genetics i got all those yeah all of them um so danny looks like buster posey who is the
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catcher for the san francisco giants quite a bit to the point where right i didn't know what that
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a man in the front said yeah you do um so now we know it's true um so danny worked in at uh
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it wasn't candlestick was it it was is at&t park um he worked at the park then one day he was leaving
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and some little kids walked up and they were like oh my god buster posey can we get an autograph
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and he's like i'm not buster posey and then more people came up and after so he just started signing
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autographs i love it ruin rookie cards some guy like in 50 years goes to like he's been saving it
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for his children for retirement and he goes to bring in and cash it in and they're like this is
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a fucking forge dude we don't believe you zero value way to go the economy collapsed he's like
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don't worry about it you've got this thing grandpa has got you all right you can go you don't have
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to stay you're done roasting me danny brown ladies and gentlemen good job now you're fine you're fine let's we'll talk about it at christmas
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I'm so glad that was your cousin that couldn't have gotten better that was great
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I would have yelled at him anyway it's what I do it's my passion you wear it well
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thanks like this dress should we talk about murder should we talk about some murders
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do you want to do that I wonder if one guy's like oh I didn't know that's what they were
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I'm not really into that no thank you actually why would anyone want to talk about murder
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keep talking about your clogs that's what we really really love clog cast no Dansko presents
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the clog cast do not steal that it's copy written our lawyer is in the reserve section
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he's writing everything down he'll be here in 45 minutes okay we're back the end of the first tour my god to announce that that tour was ending
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it when actually it went on for four years straight is so hilarious we're so naive
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do you have a specific i don't remember that specifically i do remember the last show we did
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in Austin at the end of a tour and I sat in a bathtub with a bag of Bucky's beaver nuggets.
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And so I don't think anything can beat that ending of a tour. I mean, that is a classic. I don't remember the feeling of the tour ending. I just,
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first of all, I remember that theater because it was white with red seats. Like it was,
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and it felt like the lights were up the whole show. And I think we did two shows in one night.
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Oh, I think you're right. if I'm not mistaken. So it was like in the first meet and greet,
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one of the people that came to say hi to us was like are you doing different stories in the second show And we were like no And they like oh And then they literally basically told us how disappointed they were because they bought tickets for both But now they just going to see
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the same thing twice. And then after that, we never repeated stories. Was that the one? Okay. Because I do. I remember the disappointment from that,
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but I don't remember which exact city it was. But I'll never forget that feeling.
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That was a real like, oh, yeah, good point. Like, I didn't ever contemplate anybody buying tickets to both shows.
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Even if they're not the same night, like even if they're days apart, it's like you're not going to go to more than one.
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This shit? Yeah, but you should. Hey, guess what? We're having a tour. But actually.
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This is just to tell you that we learned our lesson and every single show on our tour this year in the fall of 2025 coming right up is a different story.
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for both of us. And neither of us know. We don't know each other's stories. No repeats. That's
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right. We won't repeat any phrases. You won't hear anything you've ever heard before. Literally
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every single word will be new. No, we won't say the word the. No. Watch this. Yeah. It'll be
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incredible. This was actually, I do remember because meet and greets, I think you and I
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liked the idea of like how cool that would be, but we didn't know what we were signing up for.
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So we were definitely scared of what we were like. What could this be? Do you remember this one where the guy came and he was in a wheelchair, but his feet were wrapped?
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So it looked like he had just injured himself. Yeah. He rolled up. I go, what did you do?
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Yes. I was going to say, what did you say? Because I remember you saying something.
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Oh, my God. And now I don't know. That's a person that could be differently abled and like in that chair all the time.
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I have no idea who that person was. Yeah. But I felt this kind of like, as we said hi to people over and over again a hundred times,
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I felt myself turn into this like phony who was like, what are you doing? And then I did it so inappropriately.
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And this guy, he didn't miss a trip. He didn't even notice. He was just like, I need to ask you a question.
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It was as if I didn't say anything. I was like, thank God. Because it looked like, yeah, it looked like he had like recently injured his legs.
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Yes. And so. but we don't fucking know like you don't say that you don't at the second it was out of my mouth i
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was just like is this all over now did i just ruin everything you wanted to say something you want to
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say something new and special to every single person which is why it's a very like challenging
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experience right but maybe yeah but you don't have to because they want to say something to you
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not you know exactly shit we learn it's it's the rule of all of life which is you actually don't
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have to do anything you just like the people who who really have the secret to life are the people
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who can be quiet but uh i mean i've never in my life what a skill to learn how i don't know
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to not have the pressure of feeling like you absolutely have to like participate and or lead. Lead. Yeah. Guys, you say... We're doing it now.
00:21:09
To each other. Yeah. But like letting go that I have to lead every conversation in a way that's like, it's up to me because everyone's going to be upset with me if I don't,
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or everyone's going to be uncomfortable with me if I don't. I'm going to learn that lesson for the
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rest of my life. But practicing it is like such a nice piece of self-care that I have like really
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enjoyed the past couple of years. Maybe, but I'll just for the sake of argument, devil's advocate
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and say when you and I first met, when we went to Joe DeRosa's Thanksgiving dinner, the reason I
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liked you so much is because you were doing that and it was hilarious. So you were like, remember,
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you were like, yeah, we're not just going to sit here in silence. Okay, say the weirdest thing.
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And you were like doing exactly that in this way that actually was helping a kind of like almost borderline somber living room.
00:22:03
It almost felt like kids trying to have an adult party and everyone felt very, everyone felt almost nervous about it.
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So you were, you were breaking it up on purpose. I think, yeah, maybe I was doing it right.
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I was in the right then doing it. A bunch of male comedians who'd like don't share feelings and like can't, and none of us are with our families and shit like that on Thanksgiving.
00:22:21
But the other thing is I can't eat in silence. So I have to ask questions the whole time I'm eating because if someone doesn't speak, I can't just sit there and masticate.
00:22:31
Yes. You know? That means something is terribly wrong if there's silence. Yeah. It's same with like when you come from like a loud talkative family, which is, I mean, every single person in my family is like, can you stop talking so I can talk?
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And to then interact like where you're the only one with a quiet family. It's one of the most upsetting things.
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I've had it happen a couple of times where you just feel like the way you interact is wrong.
00:23:00
Yeah. Yeah. Crazy feeling. Which is like the basic like human experience interaction is being in the world.
00:23:07
Yeah. And you're doing it wrong and you're fucking it up. Speaking of which, this is such an early show of like before we were learning lessons, both good and bad. And I think at this Seattle show, we realized if there are heavy hitters out there to cover, we should do it.
00:23:28
Because at the theater, the way that audience reacted when I said what my story was, was crazy.
00:23:36
Yeah. I do wonder though, like, should we, I mean, we've done all the heavy hitters, but like,
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if we're ever going to do a heavy hitter again, live, the other person shouldn't tell the story.
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You know what I mean? Like you, the whole thing should have been you doing Ted Bundy.
00:23:49
Oh, cause you were just chiming in on what you knew too? No, because you didn't have enough time to cover such a big story. It's the same thing
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with Jack the Ripper when you did that. It's like, we could have devoted the entire show to that. You know what I mean? Yeah. But then we would have gotten heckled for changing.
00:24:06
People want to go and see you play the hits. It's like Hotel California or else.
00:24:11
I'll still talk over Hotel California. And ask people questions. What do you what do you like about Hotel California?
00:24:18
Yeah. I don't know. But we did it. And actually, this episode itself, like these two stories,
00:24:23
I think are just like really, I think, close to us and close to our hearts. Yes, for sure.
00:24:30
It's a good example. And I'm glad we're fucking coming back to it. Yeah, me too.
00:24:34
Also, I do remember that hotel like it was yesterday. No, I don't. Oh, it was because, well, first of all, would it help you if I told you that the decor was
00:24:45
as if a college boy wanted to do a tropical theme in his bedroom? So there was like yellow paint, fake plants, I think, and like the weirdest bathroom.
00:24:58
No. And it was just around the corner from the theater. Okay. I don't know how you remember anything from 2017.
00:25:06
Trauma. It just gets locked in there. I just let it go. Goodbye. Goodbye. I don't remember yesterday.
00:25:16
Well, do you remember having that see-through shirt on? No, but that could be one of many.
00:25:20
I really bore bras. And so sometimes, you know, that gets me into trouble. But yeah, I'm still working it out. I still don't know. I still don't have like my bra that I love.
00:25:34
I like the idea that we're like on stage talking about like that we're sick of it because we wore the same dress. That was like our show dress for the tour.
00:25:43
That's right. That's so gross. Did we wear the same dress the whole tour or just the weekend?
00:25:47
I mean, I think I did because I was like, I don't have time to shop. And it's like, it was that
00:25:52
land's end dress with the pockets that I love. That was just like one. Yeah, that was great.
00:25:56
It's comfortable, whatever. But I just think it's funny that I, it was just like, well,
00:26:01
here's my tour dress that I can machine wash and then bring to the next. That's great that you
00:26:07
cleaned it. I don't think I would have. Right. Sweat is sweat. But you know, I think I don't
00:26:12
think it's a bad idea now that I'm shopping for this tour. And it's just these like,
00:26:16
it's just been dress after dress. Yeah. One dress. It sounds like a great idea. One dress does solve a lot of problems.
00:26:23
It's just kind of like, here, look for us here. It's like we're the flight attendants
00:26:27
that are just like a little kerchief. Right. One dress to rule them all. Should we get into it?
00:26:34
Yeah. Okay. Oh, also just should be RIP to that last show that was so good that we'll never have again.
00:26:40
Vancouver. Oh. Man. Which one was that? Did you do the feet that kept washing up in shoes?
00:26:47
Yep. I somehow fucking remember that. And I think that's the one where I stood up and gave a very short book report about Vancouver
00:26:55
because we kept fucking up cities and Canada stuff and provinces so much. I was late because I was sick, right?
00:27:02
Maybe. I think I was sick. All right. Oh, but you know what? There's a very good chance I'm blending because we've been to a lot of these cities multiple times.
00:27:11
I don't know. It could have been Toronto. But I also remember Stephen was at one of those.
00:27:15
So he wasn't there when it was the Lost recording. And he took a lot of shit for the Lost recording.
00:27:21
And he wasn't there. He had nothing to do with it. Oh, Stephen. Oh, sorry. The moment of my cousin Danny being the one that's late at the reserved seats that we're bitching about.
00:27:31
I mean. So kill Gareth. You couldn't have written that better. Just like, let's shit on these people.
00:27:38
Danny, what are you doing? Okay, now let's get into George's story about the murder of Mia Zapata.
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00:31:44
Well, I went first last night. Okay, then I'm going to go first. Yeah. we're off, we're off a little bit.
00:31:49
Yeah. Someone gave us, while they were at the show, they gave us a little rock and it says K on one side
00:31:57
and G on the other and they said you can just flip it whenever you want to know who's going to go first.
00:32:01
And it was like, pretty brilliant, I thought. They could have done that on a quarter.
00:32:06
Yeah. Now we have to carry around a big rock. So thank you. It's pretty. It's like...
00:32:13
Thanks. Yeah. It's a pretty good sized rock. Okay, this one, okay, this is what I said this to my therapist in last week, last week in therapy because I'm bad at this. I might cry. Just want to let her. During this murder? If you do, will you walk up stage and like really, I mean, down stage and really like give it to the people? Look up to the thing. Yes. Could we get a pin spot if she starts crying? I know I'm bugging you, but I didn't know what that was. Yeah.
00:32:42
all right because i saw a document about this like this is probably one of my like really young
00:32:48
murders you know like young as in like early teenage i know who it is i know you know um
00:32:54
i saw a documentary about it it fucking ruined me it made me feel so awful it's always stuck with me
00:33:00
partly because for 10 years it was a cold case which you know i'm obsessed with and so it's one
00:33:05
of those like big things that have no answers and you always you know think about it and imagine what
00:33:09
could happen. And then when you find out it gets solved, it's just so pointless and empty. It
00:33:15
doesn't feel better, you know? So this is the story of Mia Zapata. Yeah. Seattle's fucking,
00:33:23
yeah, I might cry. Okay. So Mia Zapata is born in August of 1965. She's raised in Louisville,
00:33:32
Kentucky, and she was always obsessed with music. She learned to play the guitar and piano at nine
00:33:38
years old, she would listen to punk and jazz and everything in between. She just was obsessed with music.
00:33:45
And she had a voice like a jazz singer. It was like Janis Joplin's voice. It was amazing. And then in
00:33:50
1984, she goes away to college in Yellow Springs, Ohio, to study liberal arts. And
00:33:56
there, in 1986, she meets three friends and they start a band. It's Steve Moriarty,
00:34:03
Matt Drezner, and Joe Spleen. They form the punk band, The Gits. Yes. Yeah. And so Matt, who was a member of the Gits,
00:34:14
said that I went to many shows where afterwards people didn't even know I was on stage
00:34:19
because their eyes were so transfixed on Mia because she just had this amazing stage presence.
00:34:25
He said she was like a blues singer fronting a punk band. And then in 1988, they recorded their,
00:34:31
and self-released their unofficial debut album called Private Lubbs. Lubs? Lubs.
00:34:37
Lubs. What the fuck? I wish this was champagne. And it's not. And then in 1989, the band relocates to Seattle.
00:34:53
Here you are. Because there's this huge music scene that you guys have all heard of all the time.
00:34:58
And it's just kind of getting big. Did you guys know that you had a music scene here?
00:35:02
Did you know that people like music and they came here to make it? Who knew? I thought it was just L.A.
00:35:08
So Mia gets a job at a local trashy dive bar, which I bet is a fucking like classy cocktail bar with $14 drinks at this point, right?
00:35:19
Local trashy dive bar. It was down the street from a mental hospital, which she loves.
00:35:23
Which is our hotel. Dude. Dude, it's true. I believe it. I'm not kidding. I'm going to look it up when I get back.
00:35:31
I fucking think you're right. Mia's described as someone who commanded respect and interest immediately.
00:35:40
And she and the band members move into an abandoned house they called the Rat House in Capitol Hill District,
00:35:46
where the band rehearsed and lived. And they earn a huge following in the local scene.
00:35:52
They have met a lot of friends, and they kind of just mesh right into the local punk scene in the community And let see So Mia described as funny and kind She loved meeting new people
00:36:05
She would help friends recover from drug addiction. She took in homeless acquaintances,
00:36:10
and she helped a lot of people through various crises. She was a really open and kind person.
00:36:16
Everyone said she was really funny and always joking and shy, but a really good friend.
00:36:21
so during the 90s buzz begins to surround the gits and they release a bunch of singles on local
00:36:29
independent record labels they're known for their like powerful driving music you know like punk
00:36:33
with these amazing lyrical uh poetic lyrics lyrical poetic lyrics and then in 92 they release their official debut album frenching the bully and they their
00:36:49
reputation gets even bigger in the Seattle scene, and they begin to work on their second album
00:36:55
called Enter the Conquering Chicken, which is titled after Mia's chicken tattoo, which represents
00:37:01
her childhood nickname, Chicken Legs, which is adorable. 93 Atlantic Records offers a single to
00:37:08
the get, or offers to sign the gets, and they set up a national tour. And Mia was never really into
00:37:13
the idea of getting really famous, and all she said she wanted to do was get a cabin in the woods,
00:37:19
an old jeep and a shot and a sheepdog to ride shotgun did it sound like i was gonna say and a
00:37:24
shotgun to shoot sheepdogs everybody has a dream you get to you get to have whatever you want as
00:37:33
your dream spreading false rumors i know that's my favorite murder it's not right no so just days
00:37:39
before the tour is about to start on july 7th 1993 uh mia leaves one of her regular hangs the comet
00:37:48
tavern in Capitol Hill, which we're all going to meet at afterwards. Um, she's looking for her
00:37:57
boyfriend, but couldn't find him. And then goes to visit a friend named Tracy. And Tracy says that
00:38:04
that night, uh, she was really agitated and distracted and Tracy urged her to stay the night
00:38:10
at her house. But Mia said she would just take a cab home. She wanted to leave. Um, I think she
00:38:15
was upset with her boyfriend because he wasn't around. And this is the last time that Mia is seen
00:38:20
alive. They think she walked a few blocks in the direction of her place or went a different way,
00:38:28
just kind of liked to wander the city. And either way, an employee at the Comet remembers her
00:38:35
wearing her headset as she left. So it's thought that she was listening to music in her Walkman
00:38:40
and so wasn't kind of paying attention to her surroundings and not listening and didn't hear.
00:38:46
I mean, not that she would have fucking been able to do anything anyways. Like, if she hears someone, she can, you know, whatever.
00:38:50
Okay. And then at 3.20, a sex worker discovers Mia's body in the 100 block of 24th Avenue South,
00:39:02
which is in the central district of Seattle, and it's kind of known as a seedy neighborhood at the time.
00:39:07
and she's found in the street on her back with her arms outstretched and her legs straight and crossed
00:39:14
and she had been beaten and strangled with the cord of her sweatshirt which was a Gitz sweatshirt
00:39:20
which is like, makes that, and then I'm going to cry and she had been raped although the police kept that part out
00:39:27
like from the public for years I'm not sure why then boop oh my god karen you just can't turn that page i don't wanna we just have to stop the show yeah
00:39:46
okay so it's thought that she encounters encounters her attacker around 2 15 in the morning and that
00:39:52
she'd been killed somewhere else and then trans transported to the location where her body is
00:39:57
found and it's about two miles from the studio where her body was found where she had been
00:40:02
and it's on a dead end street and the cops don't think she had been murdered where she was found
00:40:08
they thought that someone brought her to the location went after she was dead and there was
00:40:12
like there's many theories of what could have happened um she told her friend she was taking
00:40:17
a cab home so they thought that maybe one of the drivers had picked her up that night and so they
00:40:21
they looked into all of them to see if anyone had picked her up and nobody had um and then a man
00:40:26
had heard a horrifying scream, he said, when he was at home near the reservoir, which ended up
00:40:32
being three miles from where she was found. And so they thought maybe she could have walked towards
00:40:38
the reservoir that way, which is where he heard the scream. And he like ran outside. He heard this
00:40:42
scream and it was so awful that he ran outside. The only person that was ever seriously questioned
00:40:48
was as a suspect, was Mia's boyfriend. And they were in the process of breaking up. And he was
00:40:53
described even by his friends as scary. Yeah. But he passes two lie detector tests and gives hair
00:41:01
and blood samples. He shows up for every appointment. He's super cooperative and he has a solid alibi.
00:41:07
So he's cleared and then the police have no suspects to question at that point. They didn't
00:41:13
have a crime scene or witnesses and so the case went cold. And after her murder, Seattle's music
00:41:19
community, including Nirvana and Joan Jett, helped raise $70,000 to hire a private investigator for
00:41:26
three years via benefit concerts. So yeah, it's pretty fucking rad. So meanwhile, police think
00:41:34
that Mia had been killed by a random killer. Some people think that, and many people in the punk rock
00:41:40
community thought that she had been killed by someone that she knows, and I remember believing
00:41:45
that for so long after I had heard about it. And some people thought that whoever killed her hadn't been acting alone because she was
00:41:53
posed in this Christlike pose that someone had carried her feet and someone had carried her arms and then left her there And then also people thought it might be a serial killer because of the ritualistic pose and also a cup from her bra was missing so they thought maybe that the serial killer had taken it
00:42:08
as a souvenir. The private investigator funds end up drying up with no major breaks in the case
00:42:14
and the investigator, the private investigator Lee Heron, she just continues to investigate
00:42:20
on her own because she's obsessed with it which is pretty fucking cool then in 98 after five years
00:42:26
of investigation um seattle police say that they're no closer to solving the case than they
00:42:31
were right after the murder and for 10 years there's this crazy suspicion and accusation and
00:42:38
fear throughout this whole seattle community everyone is just wondering who this can be and
00:42:43
if it's going to happen again because there's no there's no rhyme or reason then 10 years later in
00:42:48
2003, the Seattle police test DNA against the national database, which they had tried
00:42:54
in 2001 and had no results. But this time there was a match. A man who had recently
00:43:00
been forced to submit DNA in the database when he was arrested in Florida for burglary and domestic
00:43:06
abuse in 2002 is matched to the DNA found at the scene, specifically the saliva from the
00:43:12
bite marks on Mia's chest. Which, thank God, they fucking collected that in, like, 93.
00:43:18
you know. Jesus Mezquia, he's 48. He's a Cuban native who lives in Florida Keys. He didn't know
00:43:26
Mia at all, but he lived just three blocks from where her body had been found. Mezquia is this
00:43:33
huge hulking man. I mean, if you see video of him, he's a giant. And he has a history of violence and
00:43:42
sexual assault against women. He was a drifter in the 90s, and he spent time in Seattle where
00:43:47
there was a report of indecent exposure filed against him, and it had happened near the Comet Theater within weeks of when Mia had been killed.
00:43:57
But there was no known links to the two of them, so it was just a random attack, which is fucking crazy.
00:44:02
He never testified in his own defense and still maintains his fucking innocence.
00:44:07
And the theory is that he saw her leave the bar and followed her before he attacked her
00:44:13
and drags her into his car, assaults her in the back seat. He's convicted in 2004 and sentenced to 37 years initially,
00:44:23
which doesn't seem like enough, right? And he appeals, and then he's sentenced to 36 years instead.
00:44:33
Which is like, okay, what the fuck? Like, I just don't even, I am sorry. and he's been in prison since 2003
00:44:45
still alive and her dad said you don't realize what forever is you drive your daughter to school
00:44:53
tell your wife have a good day I'll see you later but you assume you'll be together
00:44:58
at the end of the day but then something happens and forever is forever it doesn't matter what you do
00:45:04
how you do it how I pray how I wish nothing on earth is going to bring Mia back that's that that's awful it is i know i i mean i remember seeing that one i think there's a
00:45:18
forensic files of it because right because i just remember seeing it because every forensic files
00:45:24
that old guy narrator it was always like he sees random people and suddenly he's talking about like
00:45:31
the punk scene in seattle hearing that guy talk about it i don't know it was it was it was like
00:45:39
bone chilling where it's just like fuck this is really a real thing that happened it's not like
00:45:43
something that happens to someone in you know idaho it's like something you can't connect with
00:45:48
like sorry i know that's not that wasn't a judgment i was just trying to pick a random state
00:45:54
something we have not like you know someone's mom like a mom i can't identify with that except i have
00:45:59
a mom but i'm not one but yeah it was like you they showed footage on the forensic files of like
00:46:04
the punk show and it was like oh i've fucking been to those things well i fucking walked drunk
00:46:09
away from a 1000 bar so it's just that chilling feeling of like fuck alone with headphones in
00:46:16
jesus yeah it's so that's really sad well bye take it away karen okay we're back do we have updates on this case we do more than 30 years after her death
00:46:33
Mia Zapata's art and music continue to make a mark on the punk rock scene, influencing both old and new generations of fans, of course.
00:46:42
In 2024, the Gitz drummer Steve Moriarty published Mia Zapata and the Gitz, a story of art, rock and revolution.
00:46:49
He felt it was important to paint a picture of Zapata in a way that hadn't been done before to reclaim the narrative about her short but incredible life.
00:46:57
her killer died in Pierce County Washington in a hospital in 2021 the story is so it's so weird to
00:47:08
read that 30 years later because I first heard about this story when I was like really young
00:47:13
and so to now be so much older than she and so she had been older than me and I always like thought
00:47:19
of her as this like amazing woman to look up to and now reading that I'm so much older than she was
00:47:27
yeah and that just is a little like mind-boggling to me because i always you know she just seemed
00:47:33
like someone who i would have looked up to so now to be so much older than she ever got to be is
00:47:38
really yeah you're just like she was a baby yes it's devastating yeah all right well let's keep
00:47:44
going and get into your story i fucking remember when you said it and they lost their fucking
00:47:50
minds. So crazy. This is Karen's story about Ted Bundy. Hey there, it's right. and Seacrest for Safeway.
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00:50:37
Nope. You want to know why? Why? Because I'm doing Ted Bundy. I mean Right? Like that's
00:50:53
Come on This is This is how we do it Fucking dropping it and picking it back up Fucking
00:51:08
And like what is this? Here's something meaningful There you go Now here's a super monster
00:51:12
Right here's your hometown super monster congratulations way to go i'm not gonna cry on this one no no no well uh but i am glad you did that i think that that means
00:51:26
a lot those two that's nice yeah this is a nice little this this is a nice pairing what are we
00:51:32
talking about what is this this isn't a fucking cheese and charcuterie plate here's a funny thing when i was looking up this stuff uh someone he on one page they said ted
00:51:50
bundy sometimes known as the co-ed killer sometimes known as the angel of decay what
00:51:57
that sounds like a dentist like A goth dentist? Yeah. Yeah. What if there's a dentist serial killer?
00:52:09
Then that's what that is. I mean, they're already so horrible. I mean. I've never heard Ted Bundy called the angel of decay.
00:52:17
It's never happened. I feel like that was like a weird URL link and they just went to someone's weird poetry page.
00:52:24
It's like, no, that's not. Don't click on that. But as probably many of you have already know and have already read, one of my favorite crime writers is Ann Rule.
00:52:36
And right. She's just like she's the fucking Stephen King of true crime. It's crazy.
00:52:42
She churned it out for years and years. God bless her soul. And her story. I wish if this if I had all the time in the world and I could really fucking here's what I would do.
00:52:53
Let's hear it. I would now clear the stage. I would put on an Anne Rule costume and I would do a one-woman show called The Stranger Beside Me.
00:53:04
Yeah. I'd fucking sit in the audience and yell shit at you. You'd be like, fuck you.
00:53:12
I'd be yelling our quotes at us real loud. Um, that would, because her story, so if you don't know, Ann Rule was a crime writer who in the 70s had been a cop and had become like a crime beat reporter, um, among other things.
00:53:31
I think she still worked in the police department also in some other ways, but she also volunteered at a suicide prevention hotline.
00:53:38
And that is where she met the amazing Mr. Ted Bundy. she worked side by side with him on the night shift at a suicide hotline um and she he was a
00:53:52
close friend and she used to like to say if she was 10 years younger or her daughters were 15 years older she thought he was the perfect man this is why you never let your mom set you up with anyone your mom get next time she tries say
00:54:09
guess what mom yeah don't pull that and rule shit on me mom eric from your office could be a serial
00:54:16
killer also i just love this is my favorite kind my favorite kind is the ones who like
00:54:24
wear like fair isle sweaters and like hey i'd love to treat you to a bottle of chablis or whatever
00:54:30
where you're like i never saw it coming i never and that he is so that way that even this woman
00:54:37
who uh like herself had studied psychology was had been a cop all these things did not see it
00:54:46
didn't see it over and over again even when the like the evidence was piling up in front of her
00:54:51
face she'd still be like it can't be him it's that's crazy it isn't him um i just can't imagine
00:54:58
i mean i guess today is different these days but fucking fuck but i think it's also you know it's
00:55:05
also a tribute to his insane like you know whatever he was i like to say my favorite one to say is
00:55:13
psychopath yeah but who really knows what that means not me get offended some get offended some
00:55:20
just want me to be accurate. I think he was a sexual sadist psychopath. Yeah. I think so.
00:55:30
I think he really got off too on manipulative. That was part of his enjoyment is just living in plain sight.
00:55:38
And manipulating people. And he was really quite something. All right, let's talk about it.
00:55:42
Let's do it. So, uh, um, so his mother, Louise Cowell, uh, he, this is how he started life.
00:55:54
His mother got pregnant out of wedlock. Um, so he was raised to believe that his grandparents were his parents and his mother was his sister.
00:56:03
That's fine. It's fine. George Clooney. Fuck. It didn't turn him into a serial killer.
00:56:10
Is it George Clooney? No. Who is it? Who is it? You're just fucking naming people.
00:56:18
I'm telling you about rumors. I'm spreading them. It did not affect Brad Pitt one bit.
00:56:25
What's the problem? It's someone, I swear. Someone's yelling at me. Some famous person?
00:56:30
Yes. Someone tell me. Bobby Flay? Oh. George Clooney, someone else. Jack Nicholson.
00:56:42
Thank you. Yes. Jack Nicholson. Is that right? Yes. Are you just picking one? I swear to God, that's what I meant.
00:56:48
Okay. Same fucking thing. Those two. He did fine with it. Exactly. He's a psychopath, probably.
00:56:53
Although The Shining. All right. There were also rumors that his grandfather, who he was raised to believe was his father,
00:57:04
was actually his father. But that's just gossip. Stop gossiping about Ted Bundy.
00:57:10
Oh, my God. So he graduated from Woodrow Wilson High School in Tacoma in 1965. Really?
00:57:19
Yes. He won a scholarship to the University of Puget Sound. After two semesters, he transferred to the University of Washington.
00:57:29
A bunch of fucking educated listeners in this audience today. They love school. How about, and then they didn't go to college.
00:57:38
What? Then they went for a year and a half, stopped going to class, then just thought they could hide the report card.
00:57:47
Yeah! And then just signed up for class so they could get their mom's health insurance.
00:57:53
Yeah! All right. Sorry. I'm interrupting you. Okay. After two semesters, he transferred to the University of Washington,
00:58:03
and there he meets Stephanie Brooks, which is a pseudonym. I didn't know that for a long time.
00:58:09
Makes me really mad. I always thought her name was Stephanie Brooks. That's a pseudonym.
00:58:13
Stephanie was a beautiful girl from a wealthy California family. They dated for a year.
00:58:17
Ted is way more into her than she is into him. And eventually she graduates. She moves back home to her parents' house in California.
00:58:24
And she breaks up with him. And she tells him, upon breaking up with him, that he's immature and he lacks ambition.
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Oof. And I'm sure that that went over well with Ted. He's like, thank you, Stephanie.
00:58:40
I appreciate your candor. And I'll take it into consideration. So then in 1969, right after that happens,
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he decides he's going to go back to his birthplace, Burlington, Vermont, visit his family.
00:58:57
That's where he finds out he's illegitimate. Oh, but anyway, here's some maple syrup.
00:59:09
So he comes on back to Seattle. He comes back from that trip, really knuckles down
00:59:14
and becomes a big Republican. Why is that the weirdest? That's like the weirdest twist for me.
00:59:23
Yeah. Not that, oh. Isn't that a fun twist? Huh. He was like, I know what's going to impress Stephanie.
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I'm going to get into politics. Again. Watch this. Watch me wear a red and white striped tie, Stephanie, goddammit.
00:59:36
So he runs the Seattle campaign office for Nelson Rockefeller's presidential run.
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Who? I know. He did a great job. So then he returns to the University of Washington He becomes a psychology major and an honor student and he meets a woman named Liz Kendall who then becomes his girlfriend He graduates from UW in 1972
01:00:07
with a degree in psychology, and that summer he goes on a business trip to California,
01:00:13
and he meets up with Stephanie Brooks, just to say hi. Hey, what's going on? I just want to check in, see how you are. Catch up. What have you been up to down here? What?
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Um, uh, this time, oh, I wrote this time as a motivated Republican psychology grad student with some amazing sweaters.
01:00:37
So they get, they actually get back together. He gets back together with her and they date for a year.
01:00:44
His poor girl, real girlfriend at home is like, he said he was just going to have fucking margaritas with her.
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Neither of them knew about each other. Yeah. So he gets back together with Stephanie Brooks.
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dates her very seriously for a year is very romantic is very lovely at the end of the year
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he proposes marriage she says yes and two weeks later he breaks up with her and will not return
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her calls so what did he that was a he fucking vengeance dated proposed to her if he wasn't ted bundy i'd be like fuck yeah you did but no really shines a light on that behavior
01:01:22
doesn't it? Very, very destructive behavior. Very vicious, cruel behavior. I do like it, though.
01:01:30
A little bit. I mean, let's... I can think of like four different people. It would have been amazing to do that, too.
01:01:37
You make them re-fall in love with you and then you're like, um, later days. Go fuck yourself.
01:01:43
Peace out to you and your family. Remember when I was wearing this outfit? Remember this outfit?
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Yeah. Okay. so then uh stephanie's devastated this is what i wrote and it's tasteless stephanie's devastated
01:02:01
and as she weeps her long brunette hair covers her face evenly on both sides that's right because it's parted down the middle remember that remember that for later is that
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where it's start nope i'm not right forgot freeze that make it just paint a picture in your mind
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you're going to want to look back at it later. Post it. Post it. Because almost immediately after all of those events,
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Ted's murderous rampage begins. And when I say murderous rampage, I'm talking about like five pages of 11-point font rampage shit.
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So let's blaze through this. Get comfy, everyone. Shortly after midnight on January 5th, 1974,
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Ted Bundy breaks into the basement apartment of 18-year-old Joni Lenz, also a pseudonym,
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and bludgeons her with a metal rod from her own bed frame, sexually assaults her with a speculum,
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and leaves her for dead. She is found by her roommates the next day in a pool of blood in a coma,
01:03:03
and she survives but has permanent brain damage. One month later, Ted Bundy breaks into the room of UW student and his cousin's roommate, Linda Ann Healy.
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He knocks her unconscious, dresses her in jeans and a t-shirt, wraps her in a sheet and carries her away.
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That's on February 1st. Now, female co-eds start disappearing at the rate of one a month.
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They're all young and slender with long brown hair parted down the middle. In March, Donna Gail Manson.
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What'd you say? I remember that now. You remember from, it was like only three paragraphs ago.
01:03:39
I remember. in march donna gail manson a 19 year old student at evergreen college in olympia is kidnapped and
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murdered don't be fucking cheering that she's it's a wonderful uh arts college actually where
01:03:57
you you get to give yourself your own grades it's real like fucking a lot of this and a lot of this
01:04:03
Yes, Mom. Yes, no, I am learning a ton. Thank you. Thanks for the health insurance.
01:04:10
Thanks for calling during my acid trip. Anyhow. In April, Susan Rancourt disappears from the campus of Central Washington State College in Ellensburg.
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The same night, right? The same night, another female student reports being approached by a man in a cast asking for help
01:04:33
carrying a stack of books to his Volkswagen Beetle. Here we go. Right? Two other co-eds tell the same story from three nights earlier.
01:04:42
In May, Kathy Parks disappears from Oregon State campus in Corvallis. It's really weird.
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I feel like we should be omitting the college names. Poor Oregon State. They're just like, we've got to represent.
01:04:57
And they know it's coming. It was like four sad people up there. We love the middle of Oregon, too.
01:05:10
On June 1st, Brenda Ball leaves the Flame Tavern in Burien and is never seen again.
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Burien. Burien. Burien. Who cares? I mean, seriously. Seriously. The fact that you knew the geography of where the middle of Oregon was, I was impressed.
01:05:36
So, fine. Byland? Ten days later, in the early morning hours of June 11th, UW student Georgian Hawkins is last seen leaving her boyfriend's dorm
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to take the short walk back down the alley to her sorority house. They say it was 50 yards from his door to her door but she never arrives Witnesses tell the police they see a man in a leg cast struggling to carry a briefcase the night before
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One student reports the man asked her to help him carry the briefcase back to his Volkswagen Beetle.
01:06:12
No. If a man ever asks you to help him carry a briefcase... Right. We've talked about this.
01:06:20
Women and children. If men ask you for directions, children, they don't want... Adults don't need your help, children.
01:06:32
And men who can't carry their own suitcases don't get to have... I mean, briefcases don't get to have briefcases.
01:06:38
That's just part of it. It's a good rule. If you've injured your arm and you don't get to carry a briefcase,
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sorry, important businessman. Put a backpack on. Take a break. this brings us to july 17th 1974 this is the part where when i was reading a stranger beside me this
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i couldn't stop reading this chapter over and over because it's so fucking fucked up so lakes
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sammamish sammamish i mean they should they should spell it phonetically on wikipedia if they want
01:07:12
podcasters to announce it correctly. Lake Sammamish State Park in Issaquah. You guys are
01:07:24
you're fucking easily impressed. I mean fucking what a job we have. I mean it's ridiculous.
01:07:34
This is like reverse kindergarten basically. This is like a spelling bee but like you just can't lose.
01:07:41
everyone wins everyone gets a ribbon that's right i'm into it that's finally okay so
01:07:47
at lake oh shit i forgot already sammamish sammamish uh it's a beautiful holiday weekend uh and tons of people are there you know when it's sunny up here
01:08:04
you guys go bat shit it's like all of a sudden everybody's wearing the smallest bathing suit
01:08:10
they can find like fucking standing around at a man-made lake so this there's actually pictures
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online you can look this up it's so packed on this day there's like there's just people standing
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like shoulder to shoulder it's unbelievable and that day two women janice ott and denise naslin
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both disappear without a trace in the middle of the day so eight witnesses tell police they saw a
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handsome young man named Ted. He doesn't use a pseudonym. With his arm in a sling and he and
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five of them are women who he asked for help unloading his sailboat from his Volkswagen.
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So one woman actually went with him and as she's walking up to the Volkswagen she's like
01:08:59
there ain't no sailboat over here. And she was all by. Three witnesses said that they saw Janice
01:09:08
Ott speaking to that same man and they saw her leave with him and then four hours later
01:09:14
Naslyn disappears wow he came back he fucking killed Janice Ott up in like the hills about a
01:09:24
mile away oh my god and then came back to get another woman he is in a full-on fucking psychotic
01:09:31
frenzy yeah and but meanwhile all like he's they said the witnesses describe him as having kind of
01:09:38
a clipped slightly british accent so can you imagine he's like fucking he's like a werewolf
01:09:44
rampaging and then he like wipes it all off and turns around it's like oh hello do you mind
01:09:49
i've got a sailboat over here i can't i can't get it off my go on i was a theater manger
01:10:02
okay so the police distribute flyers also there's a there's two comparative pictures the next weekend
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at that lake nobody's there nobody's there but it's hilarious bikinis away yeah that's right
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um so the police distribute flyers they hold a press conference describing the man witnessed
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um ted bundy's girlfriend his psychology professor um and his suicide prevention
01:10:29
co-worker and crime writer and rule all call the police and give his name no yes um and ann rule in
01:10:38
the book she like talks about it where she calls and says this is crazy and i mean it's probably
01:10:42
not him but i the thing is that he does have a gold volkswagen jesus his name is ted oh my god
01:10:49
And he has no sailboat. Yeah. It can't be denied. His total lack of boating. Oh, okay.
01:11:06
So, oh, because they also gave his physical description. So basically, it's just staring all of them in the face.
01:11:12
And they're like, I don't, I mean, could it be? No. but it also must be really weird
01:11:19
because she talks about in the book that he was so empathetic and he would talk to people
01:11:23
he would talk people off killing themselves for hours he would stay on the phone
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he was so empathetic like he had the most amazing mask that he would wear he was living the ultimate double life
01:11:36
it's fucking nuts okay so Ted Bundy killed both of those women within hours of each other
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and both of those murders were so brutal that when their skeletal remains were found
01:11:50
a mile from that lake, there were only bone fragments left. And up there with them, when they found those skeletal remains,
01:11:58
they also found the remains. of George Ann Hawkins. And then just east of there on Taylor Mountain in 1975,
01:12:06
the partial skeletal remains of the rest of the missing women were found. Linda Healy, Susan Rancourt, Kathy Parks, and Brenda Ball.
01:12:14
And Bundy claimed that Donna Manson was also buried there, but no remains of her have ever been found.
01:12:19
So he basically had these two dumping grounds, and he used to go visit them. I don't know how he fucking found the time,
01:12:27
but it was like among all the other bullshit that he was doing, then he would drive up into the mountains
01:12:33
and then just sit there with his victims' bodies. All right! Then he decides to go to law school.
01:12:42
Oh, my God. What a dick. He's going to teach that ex-girlfriend a thing or two. So he moves to Salt Lake City.
01:12:52
Really? that can't that was not sincere um all right i'll try to go through these fast because this it's just so much
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october 2nd nancy wilcox disappears from halliday utah she was last seen riding in a volkswagen
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a little over two weeks later 17 year old melissa smith is abducted raped sodomized and strangled
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in midvale and her body is found nine days later she's the daughter of the police chief
01:13:22
then 17 year old laura laura amy disappears after leaving a halloween party in lehigh and a month
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later hikers find her naked beaten strangled body on the banks of a river in american fort canyon
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on november 8th carol de ranch is leaving fashion place mall in murray when an officer roseland
01:13:44
approaches her to tell her that her heart her car has been broken into and that she needs to come
01:13:49
with him to file a report so she uh goes to the car she sees nothing's missing but he tells her he
01:13:55
she has to come to the station anyway no no no no uh and then they get into his volkswagen you know
01:14:03
he didn't have a police car the car that cops drive all the time gold volkswagens um oh man
01:14:10
on on the way he suddenly pulls over really fast and tries to throw handcuffs on her but in the
01:14:17
frenzy and she starts fighting him off he puts both handcuffs on one wrist and then as he does
01:14:23
that he picks up a crowbar whoa and tries to hit her over the head with it but she catches it midair
01:14:29
because her other arm is free um oh then she opens the car door and rolls out uh onto the highway
01:14:37
and escapes from fucking ted bundy Yes. Carol. Get it, girl. Fuck yes, Carol. I mean.
01:14:53
Yeah. All right. Thank, okay, yes. All right. I just was going to say, it probably ruined going to the mall for a long time.
01:15:01
All right. That night at Viewmont High School in Bountiful, the drama club is putting on a play.
01:15:07
this this ties back in i just wanted to talk about theater arts for a second so both teachers and students report seeing a man um who approaches them to tell them that their
01:15:22
cars have been broken into um some say they see him lurking in the back of the auditorium where
01:15:28
the play is being held and debbie kent a 17 year old high school student leaves the play at
01:15:34
intermission to go pick up her brother and is never seen again later the investigators find a
01:15:39
small key in that parking lot that fits the pair of handcuffs that were taken off carol derange
01:15:44
oh my god okay so now i've interjected a story i found on reddit maybe a bad idea but it possibly could be true maybe 30 percent
01:15:57
so this story is a guy that says his friend's parents met in their teens at the end of their
01:16:05
first date uh his friend's dad suggested that they go for a midnight hike up in provo canyon
01:16:10
he apparently knew the place since he had done a fair amount of rock climbing in the area so the
01:16:14
two drove up to the mouth of the canyon started hiking under um the light of the stars since it
01:16:19
was a new moon i'm just hoping to get late at that point nobody fucking hikes at night i know
01:16:23
But they can't, it's their son, so they have to tell him a different story. Oh, yeah.
01:16:27
They're like, son, we loved hiking in the 70s. Oh, we'd hike and hike all night.
01:16:35
Right. At some point, the dad starts getting a bad feeling. Since the pathway ahead, which was going to pass under some trees, was going to be very dark.
01:16:46
So he ignores the feeling and presses on. Gotta ignore those feelings. You got to.
01:16:52
In later retelling of the story, his mom would say that she felt the same bad feeling, but that she didn't know the trail like he did, so she just trusted that he knew what he was doing.
01:17:04
A minute later, the dad felt that feeling even stronger, ignored it again. They walked a bit of the way into the trees when his foot hit something soft in the middle of the path.
01:17:16
Under the trees, though, it was too dark to see just what the soft thing was. the feeling came back stronger than ever and instead of finding out what his foot hit no they
01:17:23
both agreed to run away no years later after being married for some time congratulations to them
01:17:30
they were watching an interview with the serial killer ted bundy in response to a question asking
01:17:36
him to describe the time he felt closest to being caught he explained about the night that he lured a girl into provo canyon had just killed her when he heard some people coming up the trail and that he hid in the trees only to watch some guy walk right into the body and for some reason just turn around and walk away
01:17:56
Oh, man! And this is why you always bring a flashlight when you're fucking hiking at night.
01:18:03
Yes, yes, no, yes. No, that's exactly right. That's exactly right. also somebody could have just watched interviews of ted bundy retro engineered that entire story
01:18:14
and be lying on reddit we don't know we don't know there's just no way to tell there's no way to tell
01:18:19
okay so now uh ted ventures into colorado he's taking it to a different state so karen campbell
01:18:27
disappears from the wildwood inn in snowmass where she was vacationing with her fiance and children
01:18:33
she disappeared between the elevators and the front room of her door, a span of 50 feet.
01:18:40
Vail ski instructor Julie Cunningham disappears in March of 1975. Denise Olverson in April in
01:18:45
Grand Junction. In May, Lynette Culver disappears in Idaho from the grounds of her junior high school.
01:18:52
In June, Susan Curtis disappears in Utah. None of these bodies have ever been found.
01:18:57
back in Washington Ted Bundy's name had made it onto four different suspect lists for four
01:19:02
different reasons and he was finally on the uh in the top 25 list of people um to be investigated
01:19:11
um when a call came in from Utah sorry I just started thinking about other stuff
01:19:18
what am i gonna do tomorrow um okay so here's what happened back in utah ted had failed to stop for a routine traffic violation um and those routine traffic
01:19:35
violations will always they will get you i think from what i remember in the book but i'm not
01:19:40
positive he was driving by a house he was basically casing a house and a cop was like
01:19:46
what are you doing you're being a creep yeah and then when he went to pull him over he wouldn't
01:19:52
pull over and so he finally he got him like got him out of the car and then uh when he searched
01:19:58
his car he found a crowbar a ski mask handcuffs trash bags and an ice pick you know car stuff
01:20:06
so detector jerry thompson um connected the volkswagen to carol deronch's kidnapping case
01:20:15
and they get a warrant to search Ted's apartment where they find a brochure for the Wildwood Inn.
01:20:20
And when they put him in a lineup, Carol DeRanche comes in and as well as several of the bountiful
01:20:26
high school play witnesses and they all pick him out as Officer Roseland. Whoa. So this is his first conviction, I know.
01:20:36
Only four more hours. I was typing this, I'm like, maybe I bail before he ever goes to jail?
01:20:43
I mean, just like... What part do I leave? There's no, you have to tell the whole thing.
01:20:49
So basically, here's what happens. He's tried and convicted of the kidnapping case.
01:20:52
He's sentenced to 15 years. And when they were taking him to trial during the recesses,
01:20:57
the officers, he was so charming and chatty and cool and chill that the officers started letting him use the law library
01:21:05
during the recesses of his own trial. You know, just to be cool. so on June 7th one day while he's in the library
01:21:15
he sees his chance and he jumps out a second story window when he lands he breaks his ankle
01:21:23
and then he runs for it and he escapes into the mountains and he survives for six days
01:21:29
he had found, he walked until he found a cabin he rested for a little while at one point
01:21:34
an armed citizen who was up there specifically to search for escapee Ted Bundy comes upon him
01:21:41
and Ted talks his way out of it and just continues on his way. He was a slick, slightly British-accented
01:21:49
motherfucker, this guy. That's, yes. He must have had great, like, eyes or something. What was it about Ted?
01:21:57
Good hairline. Yeah. Just a strong fucking hairline. Jesus. What the shit? Kind of like, came down a little bit
01:22:05
of a V, but not like a vampire V. Yeah. Framed his face. just framed it up nice yeah some curls nice 70s uh sideburns yeah just a nice thick sideburn here
01:22:17
but not threatening no no no no and like not unkempt no no all right you could he brushed
01:22:23
his hair 500 times every morning okay he's finally recaptured brought back to jail immediately starts
01:22:29
working on a new escape plan he cuts a hole in the ceiling into the crawl space and then starts
01:22:35
dieting. He loses weight, loses weight, loses weight. So finally, um, he, oh, he finds out
01:22:42
that they're going to move, uh, the venue of his next, of the trial. So he, right now he is in the,
01:22:50
um, I think he's in Evergreen, um, jail and it's super old fashioned. And so he's like,
01:22:57
I got to do it now. I can't wait anymore. So he crawls up into this crawl space, crawls across
01:23:02
and basically goes into right above the jailer's apartment, which is another part of the jail,
01:23:08
but it's like where the people work, where they actually lived in the jail. He drops down into the jailer's linen closet.
01:23:15
And luckily the jailer and his wife were at the movies that night. So he just puts on some of that guy's clothes
01:23:20
and fucking walks out the front door. He hitchhikes to Vail Then he takes a bus to Denver Then he takes a plane to Chicago He eventually ends up in Tallahassee Florida And this is the big fucking hideous finale that so insane
01:23:35
At 3 a.m. on Sunday, January 15th, 1978, Ted Bundy crept into the unlocked back door of the
01:23:44
Chi Omega sorority house at Florida State University. I forgot about this part. Yeah, right?
01:23:49
And he bludgeoned and strangled four sorority girls, each roommate. So he went into the first room and killed Lisa Levy and Margaret Bowman.
01:24:02
He beat Margaret to death, and then he'd restrained Lisa, beat Margaret to death,
01:24:09
then began to beat Lisa to death and brutally raped her and then murdered her. um then undetected he snuck down the hallway and did the same thing in the next room to roommates
01:24:23
karen chandler and kathy kleiner and then he just walked out of the house in the fuck yeah then
01:24:29
then he walked down the street everyone in the audience is like i don't like true crime anymore
01:24:35
then he walked down the street he broke into a house and he did the same thing to a girl named Cheryl Thomas, except she survived.
01:24:46
Yeah, he basically had already killed four women that night. And so he was getting a little tired and she was fighting him.
01:24:56
And then people came up from downstairs because they heard so much banging. And he was basically like beating her with a big piece of wood.
01:25:04
And he ran out. So she ended up surviving. um then on february 9th so like a month later he basically hides up in his weird apartment
01:25:15
and he's basically super crazy and like at the end he probably knew he was at the end
01:25:20
on february 9th in lake city he abducted and raped a 12 year old girl named kimberly leach
01:25:25
and then he stole another volkswagen to drive across the state but in pensacola uh an officer
01:25:32
noticed the stolen plates and pulled him over and he got out of the car and then immediately
01:25:37
started fighting with the cop and the cop gets him down, cuffs him, gets him in the car. And Ted
01:25:42
Bundy says to the cop, I wish you'd killed me. Uh, right. Um, so, uh, he's charged for the
01:25:51
Tallahassee and Lake city murders. He stands trial in Miami for the Chi Omega murders.
01:25:55
And the Chi, uh, there was a Chi Omega member named Nita Neary who saw him leave and went to
01:26:01
court and identified him and that testimony as as well as the bite marks that he left on his victims
01:26:07
were the evidence that basically convicted him now everyone's heard of this but like of course
01:26:15
Ted Bundy being the asshole that he is decided he was going to represent himself in a couple of
01:26:20
these cases so in the Kimberly Leach case he decided he would be the lawyer and at one point
01:26:26
he called former co-worker carol boone to the stand and then in the middle of the um court case
01:26:32
he proposed marriage to carol boone she said yes everybody she said yes really oh yeah my
01:26:40
they actually had a conjugal visit and he has a daughter let's not know the good news is he was convicted on all counts and he was sentenced to death and on january 24th
01:26:53
1989, Ted Bundy was executed in the electric chair in Florida. Yeah. He had confessed to 30 murders,
01:27:03
but it is estimated that there's a chance that he is responsible for the death of over 100 women.
01:27:09
Whoa. It's fucking crazy. What the fuck? And here's a slight upturn. Not great, but whatever.
01:27:16
Oh, first of all, Ted Bundy claimed that porn is the reason that he became a serial killer.
01:27:22
I'm just saying, watch yourselves. We know what you're up to. Everybody's so cavalier about porn these days.
01:27:32
Well, it made Ted Bundy. But from death row, when they were looking for the Green River Killer,
01:27:42
Ted Bundy contacted Detective Dave Reichert. this is some local shit huh yeah we hate dave reicher too
01:27:58
we're arrested right outside the theater it was a setup they hated him first anyhow however you feel about him ted bundy called him and said i can help you catch the
01:28:12
green river killer because i know how these motherfuckers think and then he did what
01:28:17
clearly there's a problem with that i don't know i don't know what's going on um i bet it has to do with the green river killer
01:28:26
oh so's my mom so's everybody's mom i still hate her so now we move into the trump portion of the show
01:28:45
wrong oh you we'll cap it off with this Anne Rule had the best quote she said people like Ted can fool you
01:28:56
completely I'd been a cop I had all that psychology but his mask was perfect I say that long acquaintance can help you
01:29:04
I say that long acquaintance can help you know someone but you can never really be sure Yeah that it That Ted Bundy
01:29:23
That's your guy. Amazing. Okay, we're back. Do you have any updates about Ted Bundy?
01:29:33
Yeah, there are some. Not really about him. but survivors Kathy Kleiner Rubin, Karen Chandler, Cheryl Thomas and Carol Durant have taken control of their narrative as survivors by telling not only their own story
01:29:47
but also by putting a spotlight on the women and girls who Ted Bundy killed. They can be seen in various documentaries like Netflix's Conversations with the Killer that Ted Bundy tapes
01:29:58
and Kathy Kleiner actually went on to write a book called A Light in the Dark, Surviving More Than Ted Bundy.
01:30:05
And that book is her way of helping end the glamorized portrayal of Bundy in the media, which is a very 90s, 80s, 90s thing when that trend of like John Wayne Gacy, Ted Bundy as almost like anti-heroes came up.
01:30:22
Yeah, so gross. Very gross and also just a really important, like the idea that these women got the chance to counter all of that.
01:30:30
Like the time finally came that they got their spotlight is great. Yeah. Also, there are still victims who are yet to be identified because Ted Bundy's heinous crimes.
01:30:41
There were so many. He was all over the place. And there's cold cases out there that they think Ted Bundy could be responsible for.
01:30:49
That incredible book, Murderland, that we keep talking about by Caroline Fraser,
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really centers around him as, you know, one of the main serial killers. So it's the story you've heard, but in a totally different way.
01:31:01
It's very interesting. Yeah. Yeah. So this episode was originally titled Live at the Neptune for reasons that we do not have to explain to you.
01:31:10
We don't understand. Do you? But if we were naming it today based on something that was said, maybe we'd call it Harold's mother.
01:31:19
Sure. Based on you. Or we could name it Rumors I'm Spreading Him because Georgia says that after she falsely claims that George Clooney was raised to believe his mom was his sister.
01:31:31
His mom. Just like Ted Busty. Fucking Rosemary Clooney. Like what? That's his aunt.
01:31:36
You're still doing it after all these years. What the fuck? Are you sure? Yeah. Oh my God.
01:31:43
It's his aunt, yeah. Who's not his mom for sure. I mean, you know what? If it all came back around to that actually his aunt is his mom.
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And I knew. Then I'll give it all over to you. So also we could call it reverse kindergarten.
01:31:57
Yeah. Because that's basically what we're doing here on this podcast when we do live shows.
01:32:02
That's right. Well, that's it. I mean, that's a fun, a live show rewind. That's what we're hoping to do on our live tours
01:32:08
is a show like that, I think, pretty much sums up. It's also good to rewind these live shows
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so we remember our lines and what we're supposed to do when we go out there and what it's actually like and what to expect.
01:32:21
But also, it's 2025. We're in the midst of a fascist takeover. How are these shows going to be different for us?
01:32:29
I'm so nervous about all of those things you just said. Me too. But thanks for being here with us then and now.
01:32:36
Guys, we really appreciate you. And at the time of this recording, there are a couple tickets left for these Seattle shows.
01:32:42
So if you want to be there with us, please go to myfavoritemurder.com and get your tickets now.
01:32:47
All right. Well, thanks for being here then. And thanks for being here now. Let's listen to us say goodbye from the Neptune Theater in Seattle.
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I think that's it, you guys. Yeah, that's everyone thing. thank you so much for coming out to this show
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yeah and thanks for being part of this that was super super fun yeah you guys are we love it here
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it was very cool thank you for being here we're mad at you for yelling at us about
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Dave Riker but we'll talk about it at a different time stay sexy and don't get murdered
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