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That's right. It's Wednesday and that means we're recapping our old episodes with all new commentary and updates and insights.
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Today, we're looking back on episode 64, which we named, I don't believe this, Live at Revolution Hall.
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Yep, it's our Portland live show, and this episode came out April 13th, 2017. So let's get into the intro of episode 64.
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Hi. You're doing it out of obligation. We know. That's the first time that happened.
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I actually didn't hear what you said. I said they're doing it out of obligation because one person did it.
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That's the first time that ever happened. It is the first time that's ever happened.
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Thanks, Portland. What's up, Portland? That is so Portland of you, Portland. I swear to God.
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Wow. Hi, Portland. I like you. Thank you. I actually am a little bit sad because this is the last night of our run here.
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We'll just stay. I wish it could be like 14 more nights. It really has been very, very fun and exciting.
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Thank you very much for being here. And thank you for getting tickets and waiting for tickets and dealing with scalpers and letting us know that you didn't get enough tickets.
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and they were mad about tickets and it's our fault that your lives were ending because of the tickets.
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And you've been listening from the beginning so you should get first run of tickets.
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Yes, you are the biggest fans and you deserve the most tickets. So we're, thank you.
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Thank you kindly for being here. First are admonishing the assholes. That's how I start every show
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is just telling you guys what dicks you are. Well, listen, there's plenty of clappers
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but the assholes need to be given their props as well. Do they? I love that you...
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Good start. Good start. Let's start over. Steven, can we go again? Here we go. I roll it back.
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He's here! I still don't know where he is. You still don't know. You don't see anything anyways.
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I know. I actually am legally blind. Oh, right here. Look it. Vince came backstage and said,
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update from the audience. Steven has a line of people waiting to be a photo with him.
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Steven, that's the quickest way to get fired is to get more popular than the hosts.
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And Mommy Rae Morris is here too. Mommy Rae Morris. Yeah. Steven invited his mother,
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who probably has never heard this podcast, has no interest in murder, doesn't think what we're doing is right, probably.
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It's kind of, you know, Stephen's not her favorite anyway. It's true. Well, now Stephen's a successful one,
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even though his sister's a doctor, I think. Sure. Now, who's successful? Well, you better tell her
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that podcasts are the wave of the future. So, doctoring is out. Yeah, yeah. Hell yeah.
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Nobody needs a doctor anymore. Uh, um. I'm sorry, I've been drinking this fucking insane crack caffeine.
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What is it It yerba mate Have you guys heard of it Portland have you heard of yerba mate And do you know gluten is bad for you
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I can see everything and everyone. And I can see our auras. Oh, shit girl. I'm real good right now.
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Do you have any animal familiars on the stage right now? I don't know what that is.
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You know, there are animals you hallucinate that talk to you and tell you how to live.
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Oh, that's one of my cats then, or that. Because that's all my life is. I know, that's his name.
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That's right. I have actually a very similar thing right now, which is that Georgia likes to bring me,
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which is one of the best things about touring with Georgia, is she brings me a coffee.
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It's just super exciting. So she, last night and tonight, has brought me a mocha from Stumptown.
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and um last night when she gave it to me i was like awesome thanks drank the whole thing super
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fast and when i went to walk out for the first show i was like oh my god like i was fucking
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blazing and then you're like is this from some town i was or are you dosing me just to change
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it up on tour a little bit a little bit of that adderall then we're good oh we forgot to mention
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that this is all accidental, our necklines? Yeah. I'm sure you guys were wondering.
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They're definitely sitting out there going, two scallop necklines? Yeah. Why? Yeah.
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Who would do that on a live tour? I mean, I thought they, I guess like I had it in my mind
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that they weren't matching, but I guess. They're super matchy-matchy. Yeah, it's on purpose, but we're going with it.
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We didn't, I, Karen was like, cut yours off. And I'm like, I'm not cutting it off.
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Yeah, I demanded that she cut up her dress. I was like, I'm the primary. You have to adjust yours.
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But I did make her part her hair the other way, so we didn't look exactly the same.
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Yeah. Although I am going to cut it short. And then we're just going to come out holding hands like the Shining Twins.
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You're like, get ready for the wall of blood. Verbal. The verbal wall of blood. That's Karen, and I'm Georgia.
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Oh, that's right. And this is my favorite murder. This is my favorite murder. Thank you.
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we we want to tell you guys this story from last night because it's pretty hilarious
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but we're telling it to you uh as adults promising that you won't get any ideas from it yeah i was
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like do we tell them or are they just gonna be like i'm like we gotta tell them we gotta tell
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them yeah yeah so last night during the hometown murder portion of the show at the end we had this
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girl come up and told the fucking most amazing story it was like everything i've ever wanted in
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a story of finding dead bodies and the dead body is a bad guy and it was this and it was that it
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was her cousin it was like second like one kevin bacon away from that kind of death a dead body in
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a creek it's what more do you want and they didn't know and they were like what is that a jacket it's
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not a jacket it is a jacket but there's an entire you know there's an arm in the jacket so think
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about that before you you offer to be the hometown tonight is like just got it you got to beat that
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Very high stakes. So as she's telling this story, I was asking questions like, well, did he tell you what it felt like to pick up a dead arm and stuff?
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I was, you know, going. I was very excited. Barbara Walters deep with it, trying to make her cry.
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And as we're talking, she was like, I don't know. And I was standing here. And it was kind of like this.
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So we're talking to her and she was like, I don't really know, whatever. And then I look.
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I see both of their faces and Karen's especially. And it's horrified behind my shoulder.
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And what's happening? What's happening is this. There's a girl in an army jacket.
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No judgments. And she's sneaking cartoon style down the aisle. But she fucking army rolled onto the stage.
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Onto the stage. And then like army rolled. And they're standing here. So I, of course, have to kick into fucking third grade teacher mode.
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And I was like, that is not cool. That is not cool. And I just stood here. Kind of went like this.
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And that was really cool. you thank you and turns out it was this girl's sister she just had the exact information i was
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asking for she came to provide but the sister took a beat that's all she wanted to do is be like i
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know what the arm felt like she said she did such a sister move this girl took a beat while karen
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was yelling at her and then she goes oh that's my sister like she took a minute to say it we were
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both like what the fuck well i was like immediately picturing like a fucking bowie knife yeah she's
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just going to roll up and then be like, I'm mad about stuff. Yeah. I didn't get tickets the first time around or whatever.
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And I got over-served at the bar. Then she came up and did such a fucking sister thing, I couldn't believe it.
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She goes, you're forgetting this important part, which is such a sister thing to say.
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It was super perfect. What I realized, though, is because I was, of course, super embarrassed that I got super bossy with her.
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but in my mind, looking back on it, nobody sneaks like this unless they're like on fucking meth or something, right?
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It's like, I'm just going to come up here for a second and interrupt the show. No, I will fucking kill you.
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Those are not good intentions. And now we know that Vince is fucking useless in an emergency.
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Even though I specifically told him, you need to fucking protect me. He was backstage smoking.
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Yeah. He doesn't smoke. He doesn't smoke. Also, Steven never moved from his spot.
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I had to record the show. You couldn't take your finger off the play button. Yeah.
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Audio above all. Yeah. So that was kind of an exciting portion of the night. It was a real roller coaster, actually.
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Oh, God. That was scary. Worst nightmare. It was fine. What else have we done? Oh, do you want to just take a quick shoe walk?
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Because they're so good. Just tell the people. Work it. Own it. That why you wearing them I can walk in them This is like the two times a year I wear heels Yeah And it an hour long I wore these at my wedding last year last time I wore them
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You fucking changed. You've just like given up. I can't do it. I can't do it anymore.
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No, I didn't mean it like that. I didn't mean it like that. I can't do it anymore.
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She had heels on last night and tonight is clog night. I wore heels and even those ones were like the kind you can play basketball in or whatever.
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They weren't like any kind of crazy heels Feels like a sneaker But when I went to put them on tonight
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I was like, but fuck that shit And then And I grabbed the old Yeah, do your answer
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Carrot, carrot, carrot Thank you Oh, follow spot Here we go That's the magic of theater
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We're trying to get her to come out of her show but, you know. This is where I come alive.
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You can't tell right now, but I did say fuck it to my Spanx. Oh, really? No, I just won't.
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Now do a Spanx. No, you can kind of... Yes. Look at that woman. She's free. Fuck it.
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She's free. Fuck it. Fuck it all. Wait, I think we have a couple more anecdotes for you.
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I know, right? I can't remember any of them. Well, here's mine when I was leaving my hotel tonight.
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The most lovely man that worked at the front desk named Tyler. This is what it was like.
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You walk by and I'm going to be Tyler. And you're walking. He leaves. This is how Karen walks whenever she goes.
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Nuh-uh! That's not true! Okay, you have to make eye contact with me. Okay. Oh, but I...
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Yeah. Then I was like, hello, murderino. I know you. You can tell immediately. that like what it's gonna it's not like excuse me ma'am no do you need more towels it's it's uh
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you've been whispering in my ear for the past six months i need to talk to you right now
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you have to touch me we we stood there i've never seen this person before met them before
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we stood across the hotel front desk holding arms like like i was gonna pull him up onto the lifeboat
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style, full-on arm class, like, yes, Tyler, yes, I'm here with you. This is really happening.
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The best is when you then get a, my so-and-so got murdered, and you're then like, great, this has turned into the best fucking interaction
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I've ever had. Yes, exactly. Tell me everything. Now we're having a level 17 conversation that
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normally people that are only friends for five years have. Or shit-faced. Yes. Vince and I were walking
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yesterday down we're walking down the street uh-huh and uh this couple walks by us and then
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i hear her go i hear i see her look at her her boyfriend in a way that was like okay and then
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she goes as she passes she says that's my favorite murder like she doesn't know which one i am
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and i turn around and wave at her because she was really sweet but she just didn't know
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which one i was when she told me that i was like what if her favorite murder was happening behind
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She's like, oh my God, I love it when an old lady kills a homeless person. And I'm like, thank you.
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It's my favorite one. Thank you for listening. And she's like, who the fuck are you?
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Get away from me. That happened to me recently at a store. Tell that one, it's good.
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She goes, I go to buy a thing. And then she goes, I know you from somewhere. And I said, oh, do you watch the cooking channel?
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Because I was like, well, she doesn't own my face unless she fucking. Right, right, right.
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And she was like, oh, no, you look like someone who was in earlier. And then I died.
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She was fucking with you. And then I totally made fun of myself. Oh, I thought you were my good friend.
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What? No, no. That sucks. It's not you. You guys missed out last night, and I'm sorry I brought a tissue on stage for my allergies
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because I fucking wiped my nose on this exact tablecloth yesterday. It's like that.
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We're that comfortable here with you, Portland. Georgia was, we're just sitting there, and she's like, oh, fuck it.
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blows her nose on the tablecloth. Thanks, Revolution Hall. We're so proud to be here with you.
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Have us back. I just, like, can feel it in my heart, like, a sixth sense how mortified my mom is, and it gives me life.
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Like, my mom can't handle me not standing up straight. She would be so mortified, and I fucking love it.
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I live to embarrass my mom. If you blew your nose on a tablecloth, you mean? If she knew that I did that, not even, like, at a restaurant real quick,
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but like in front of a bunch of people. Oh, she would die. It's great. For real.
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Good. If my mom saw this tights boot clog combination, she'd just be like, I don't know what you're doing
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or why you're still rebelling, but you need to figure it out. You have lipstick on though, so who cares?
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I have lipstick on so I don't look like a corpse, which is what she normally would accuse me of.
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Oh honey, put some lipstick on. You look like a corpse. And then I'd scream at her,
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I'm never having babies. And then she would just turn into dust and die. That really is like the gauntlet to throw down in any fight with your mom.
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I will not reproduce. Oh, I said it and it felt so... I said it to her on the phone.
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She called my sister. Tell Georgia how wonderful what a gift it is. And I'm like, you weren't even around.
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What are you fucking telling me? Cut to you sitting on the toilet with an EPT test.
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Fuck. Oh, shit. God damn it. She wins again. I never tell my mom that I'm pregnant and have a baby.
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And just never tell her. You just pretend that you've gained very specific weight.
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And then lost it specifically. Speaking of, we got to stop. I need to stop thinking that when I away from home at any time on tour I can eat whatever the fuck I want Because we touring a lot and I need to stop fucking doing that Like I basically had foie gras for breakfast today Oh that fancy fancy Yeah spend that tour money baby Fuck yeah dude
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That's why we're holding off all the tickets so that Georgia can eat foie gras for breakfast.
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Sorry. Well, that does sound a little shitty, doesn't it? Tweet us about it. I know some people
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I'm kind of Ford Foie Gras. I'm sorry. You know, bougie. I don't eat it at home.
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So I'm at home. Also, it seems like what's going on with Portland where now you guys are just all about donuts all the time.
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Are you just like, it's no, it's no. Two nights in a row. We had donuts. Oh, the first last night, man.
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We had donuts that look like us. Yeah. Voodoo donuts of all places. It wasn't even like Bob's Donuts down the street.
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like made donuts. It's like voodoo donuts. They know who we are. That blew my mind.
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Well, they could have Googled it. Or it was like the one girl who works there who's just like just started
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and she's like, I love podcasting. And they're like, whatever, who fucking cares?
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Whatever, it's your shift. You can lean, you can clean or make donuts of your favorite podcasters.
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We don't give a shit. Man, Patricia just makes the fucking most obscure shit. I don't know what the fuck
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she's getting fired. Did you see Patricia's wait, wait, don't tell me donut? It was insane.
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Oh, my God. It's just a red square. It's just Paula Poundstone's face. Just a big, long tie and a huge blazer.
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Steven had one, too. It was fucking great. What did you just say to Steven? Steven had one, too, and it was fucking great.
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I realize I didn't enunciate any of it. Yeah, they made one of Steven, which is so fucking...
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It was so hilarious. Yeah. Absolutely. clap for Stephen's donut. I ate my own head.
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It was jelly filled, which is pretty right on. It's pretty, yeah. Accurate. I think it's pretty accurate.
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Should we sit down? Yeah, let's sit down. All right. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. No, clap for it, for sure.
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I'm going to... There she goes. You're fucking allergies, man. Don't. In Portland,
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you guys have all the allergies. I can't open this. Uh, okay. So what we do on this podcast is we,
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have you guys, I don't know if you guys listen, but what we do. We, you know, we look up murders and then we read them to you.
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Most of them got tickets, like the guy scalping, like buy one, get one free. There's a great show tonight.
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You guys want to come in? I'm like, I guess. Okay. I don't have anything else to do.
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So we should explain it. Okay. We're back from the intro. I mean, if you do the math, am I wrong to believe that this is our first live show in Portland? Because it's April 2017. Our first live show ever was December 2016.
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I mean, I don't know the math. Or November 2016. So it would be, it kind of makes sense.
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Oh, like we posted a back catalog of the live show? No, no, no. This is the first time we ever played live in Portland. It was three shows. And that's why we're talking about it so much because the last episode, which is the last rewind, we just got home from three insane shows in Portland.
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That's right. That's right. It's crazy. And so now this is the insanity. Yeah. And we're on tour while you're listening to this. So yeah, that's all you're going to hear about for the rest of your fucking life.
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tour this and tour that. And then we're going to do a spinoff show of this show about touring.
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We're always going to wear the same dress. What if we wore the same dress this tour? Just one dress,
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same. Yeah. No matter how dirty or tattered it gets or wrinkly, whatever, you have to keep wearing
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it. I mean, do you remember that moment where we looked at each other backstage and we're like
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scallop neck? How did this happen? I don't know. It blew my mind because it was a little black dress,
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But the scallop neckline, I've never seen that before. Yeah. We both thought we were...
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We were both shopping and we're like, yes, here it is at the same time and like across town, basically.
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Second 90210 prom vibes. Yeah. Yeah, that was crazy. So funny. What are your dresses like this time?
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I texted Craig, your assistant, and said, if you know what Karen's wearing for the first city, will you let me know so I can coordinate?
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Because I'm just like picturing... I like to coordinate outfits, you know, like I thought that'll go great with this.
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It's just like fun for me. And so I'm like, what if she's wearing this color and I'm totally clashing with these stripes?
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I don't know. I'm wearing black, baby. All black. That's it. It's a black dress and it looks like a lot of the dresses you've seen before.
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You do jewel tones lately, though. You might throw in a fucking purple at a goddamn lower.
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Oh, those are coming up, but I'm starting off. Look, this first show, I want us to just get our feet on the stage.
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I want us to know this has been a long time. Like we were so young and innocent back during this rewind episode where it's just like walking on stage like, hey, what's up?
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Are you guys going to rush the stage? Anyway, let's party. Like I was 36 when this came out.
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Oh, my God. I wasn't even in perimenopause yet. That's fucking insane. OK, or maybe I'll wear black.
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She was the first for Denver, although it's already have happened when we're recording.
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Did we wear black? I don't know. Should we join the raffle? Join the raffle. What do you think?
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Join the raffle. Take the poll. Everything's content. Take the poll. Join the raffle.
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That's my version of an internet poll. All right. Should we get into it? Let's do it.
00:23:43
All right. Let's listen to Karen's story, Karen's Versus Time, about Bobby Jack Fowler.
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Goodbye. It's my I'm first, right? Yes. All right. Mom. Um, well, I'm going to do, uh, this guy, I didn't, I didn't really know that much about him.
00:28:11
And then it turned out he was kind of like, uh, there, he's like, um, he's like, he's like,
00:28:20
um, he's like a secret star. Um, he's a man named Bobby Jack Fowler. And, um, let's just
00:28:28
started here, I'm going to tell it like a story. On the rainy night. Every time it scares the shit out of us
00:28:35
when you guys do that. I didn't even start, Stephen. If there's ever been a cue jump in the world,
00:28:44
it was that. They don't even have any idea what this guy's deal is. Well, they already know.
00:28:50
No, too late. Keep it up. Look at him. Now she can't say he was a real nice normal guy
00:28:56
because clearly he's a fucking psychopath. There's just no, it's like, oh, did he do it?
00:29:01
I'm not sure. Well, he is wearing, he is wearing overalls with no shirt. So I think, I think he might be guilty.
00:29:09
Oh, no. Yeah. He got caught mid something illegal. I mean, either that or it's just like a denim tank top.
00:29:18
Either way, either way, he should go to jail. Oh, honey. You know what that, and I'm sure you guys are very familiar with this,
00:29:26
But I was up here, you know, it was probably a decade ago at this point. And I saw a newspaper, Faces of Meth.
00:29:36
Oh, my favorite. Oh, my God. Obsessed. I got it. Which, Stephen, can you find that right now?
00:29:42
Can you put that up right now? It was the best thing in the world. It was the Oregonian did this thing of, like, people's mug shots across the years.
00:29:49
So it starts out, it's like, you're 16. you get arrested for whatever shoplifting nail polish and then five mug shots in you look like you 64 And like number two or three you like oh honey quit right now And you still kind of cute
00:30:05
You can moisturize. You could come back. You could come back and like stay out of the sun because we know you're sleeping.
00:30:10
Facials. Just like you're fine. And then at four, you're like, fuck, man. And then it's like, this 30-year-old.
00:30:17
Bobby Jack liked meth. Let's just say that, among other things. This is, yeah. All right.
00:30:22
On the rainy night of January 27, 1995, Newport residents Jennifer Essen, who was 15, and Carly's, who was 16, are last seen leaving Essen's boyfriend's house in the north end of town.
00:30:35
They're headed toward Jennifer's house, where she lived with her brother and her sister-in-law, Rocky and Barbara Tucker.
00:30:41
They never arrive. Two and a half weeks later, loggers spot their bodies in heavy brush above Moolock Beach, about a mile from where they were last seen.
00:30:49
Both had been strangled. Five months later, on June 8th, 1995, a nude... What? It's my birthday.
00:30:57
Is it okay? You, like, can't help but say that. No, you have to say it when it's your birthday.
00:31:05
It's my birthday. Sorry, but that's my birthday. Anyways, tell me about a nude body.
00:31:16
I was 15. Do you remember what your birthday party was like in 1995? 15. 15. Mm, no.
00:31:25
No, I think that was the last face of meth. Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? Okay.
00:31:30
Makes sense. So it wasn't great. All right. Five months later on Georgia's birthday, 1995.
00:31:36
A nude, bleeding, 35-year-old woman with a rope tied around her ankle jumps out of a second-story window at the Tides Inn Motel and runs into the night screaming for help.
00:31:52
Fuck, yeah, she did. That's the beginning of my film right there. Police are called, and she tells them that she had met a man at the Anchor Bar.
00:32:02
They had shared a couple drinks. They played the poker machine. You know how you do.
00:32:06
And then they decide that they're going to go on a trip to a nearby casino. But he says he wants to take a shower first and gets her to agree to come back to his motel room.
00:32:17
No, don't be that close to a naked stranger. You mean right outside the bathroom door?
00:32:24
Still not good? No. But what if I tell you he showers in his overalls? Does that change it?
00:32:30
Yeah, he's not naked. Okay. Once they're in the motel room alone The man tells her he believes women
00:32:37
Like to be raped When she argued Yes we know that's not right When she argued The man attacked her
00:32:45
Punching her repeatedly Ripping her clothes off Tied a rope around her ankle Saying he was going to put her
00:32:50
In the ocean The victim believing she was about to die Bid him and leapt out the window
00:32:56
Go girl Whatever it takes Whatever it takes. That man who was arrested on the scene was Bobby Jack Fowler.
00:33:07
And this is where you would show it, Stephen. Stephen. And then everyone goes, yes, I see it.
00:33:14
Here's what I love. I sent him this stuff, I don't know, seven minutes before I left to come to this theater.
00:33:20
We never talk about anything. We never plan anything. And he knows that about us.
00:33:26
It's tough. So it's basically our fault, but we'll never admit it. It's always Stephen's fault.
00:33:31
All right. Fowler was a transient construction worker who traveled extensively across North America.
00:33:37
He spent time rabbiting around from British Columbia. That's copy and paste right there.
00:33:42
Very strange. It makes it seem fun, and what he was doing is not fun. From British Columbia, Florida, Iowa, Louisiana, Texas, Oregon, South Carolina, Arizona, Tennessee, and Washington State.
00:33:54
During his travels, he developed an extensive criminal record that included attempted murder, sexual assault, and firearms offenses.
00:34:02
Just developing a record, but seemingly able to leave after he develops that record for some reason.
00:34:09
He liked alcohol, amphetamines, methamphetamines. He liked to travel far and wide and beat up cars and pick up hitchhikers.
00:34:19
That could sound like he beat up cars. He doesn't mind. Once you do enough meth, you can beat up a car.
00:34:24
And that is the pro side to Matt that no one ever talks about. That's one of the few bonuses.
00:34:32
Yes, you look very old, but you can beat up a car. He spent lots of time in bars and motels.
00:34:41
He believed that women he came into contact with who were hitchhiking and hanging out in bars wanted to be sexually assaulted.
00:34:50
Listen, I hang out in fucking bars and I don't want that. Yeah. I feel like if we took a quick poll, he would be proven wrong.
00:34:59
So here's, we'll talk about a couple of his arrests. In 1969, Bobby Jack was charged, Bobby Jack.
00:35:06
Bobby Jack was charged with murdering a man and a woman in Texas, but he was only convicted of discharging a firearm within city limits.
00:35:15
Towards the inside of a person. Yeah, I guess. How the fuck does that work? It wasn't a problem for some reason.
00:35:23
He also spent time in a Tennessee prison for sexual assault and attempted murder because, in the words of the investigator, he tied a woman up, beat the hell out of her with her own belt, covered her up with brush, and left her to die.
00:35:37
So, during his 1995 trial for the sexual assault at the Tides Motel, he fought the kidnapping charge.
00:35:44
So, he had a real problem with the fact that he was being, sexual assault, he was like, yeah, whatever.
00:35:48
But kidnapping he was very offended by because he claimed that that woman was in the motel room on her own accord and that she threw herself out the window voluntarily So it shouldn be his problem And so because of that he filed a million lawsuit claiming violation of his civil liberties
00:36:08
He lost. He lost. Oh, good, good, good, good, good. So on January 8th, 1996, Fowler is convicted of kidnapping in the first degree,
00:36:18
attempted rape in the first degree, sexual abuse in the first degree, coercion, assault in the fourth degree, and menacing.
00:36:23
He was sentenced to 16 years, three months, with the possibility of parole. But he died of lung cancer in prison in 2006.
00:36:35
But, there's a but. Here's where it starts getting good. Or bad. Worse. Upsetting.
00:36:45
Murdery. You know. So the police, because of this arrest, have Bobby Jack Fowler's DNA.
00:36:51
And they put it into the system. They put it into the motherboard, into the mainframe.
00:36:57
So in May of 2012, Interpol informs the Canadian police that has received a positive hit from a DNA sample on a 16-year-old murder victim named Colleen McMillan.
00:37:11
She had been murdered in 1974. And back then, the Canadian Mounties had taken a piece of her blouse that they believed to have semen on it.
00:37:21
and they put it away and saved it. And so that when DNA testing came into possibility,
00:37:31
they had that DNA makeup waiting to be tested and in the system. So when fucking Bobby Jack Fowler's DNA comes through the system,
00:37:41
Interpol finds that they are a match. Motherboard lights up. That's right. The mainframe goes berserk.
00:37:47
Yeah. Colleen McMillan, in 1974, had gone out to meet friends. The last thing she said to her little brother before she left the house was,
00:37:56
don't tell mom I'm hitchhiking. Her body was found a month later off a logging road 30 miles from her home.
00:38:03
She'd been strangled to death. That brother did not live a good life after that, I bet.
00:38:07
No, I think that was probably pretty dark. So the DNA belonged to American Roofer.
00:38:14
That's how he's described in this article. Cut and paste. American roofer Bobby Fowler.
00:38:21
That's the new History Channel series. American roofers. Where a fucking lunatic on meth goes around strangling everybody.
00:38:30
That's very weird. You can describe him any way. And they picked roofer. That hit was the oldest hit on a DNA sample in Interpol history.
00:38:41
Wow. So essentially, from the murder of Colleen McMillan in Canada in 1974, to the attempted rape, kidnapping, and sexual assault in Newport in 1995,
00:38:52
there is a 21-year gap where Bobby Jack Fowler was driving around North America fucking shit up.
00:39:00
Wow. So because they see that and they start connecting. So he basically is a big suspect in a lot of the Highway of Tears murders.
00:39:13
Oh. So he's been, he's been, the, Colleen's murder is considered one of the Highway of Tears murders.
00:39:21
Oh. One of the earliest ones. Wow. But most of those murders are First Nation women, which is why no one ever hears about them.
00:39:27
Because it's Native American, or sorry, Native Canadian, which they call First Nation women up there, and they get no press.
00:39:35
Nobody talks about them. And that's why they had to start, they started a task force in 2006 in Canada because so many women, especially First Nation, were disappearing along Highway 16, which cuts across British Columbia.
00:39:51
It's an east-west highway used by truckers and loggers. And so many women have disappeared off of this highway that they actually had to start a task force for it.
00:39:59
And Bobby Jack Fowler is now connected to at least three of the murdered women that have been found on the on the highway of tears.
00:40:08
But also they're looking at him in connection with the May 3rd, 1992 killings of Melissa Sanders and Sheila Swanson, 17 and 19, respectively, both of Sweet Home.
00:40:20
They had been camping with their family at Beverly Beach and they were last seen at 11 o'clock outside of a grocery store in Beverly Beach.
00:40:27
And they were looking for a ride home. Their bodies were found two and a half months later, 50 feet from a logging road.
00:40:36
So basically, the police believe Bobby Jack Fowler may have killed minimum 20 people between the U.S. and Canada, but they think it's more likely above 40.
00:40:52
So he's a regular old serial killer. He's a legit straight up serial killer. Wow.
00:40:59
I've never even heard of him. I've never heard of him. And there's a bunch more.
00:41:05
If you look him up, I would definitely, because there's all these, they're trying to connect him to these murders.
00:41:14
There's so many murders on the Highway of Tears. And they thought they had him for like nine.
00:41:20
But then when they, some of them, it's only circumstantial evidence. So they can actually only prove three, which is a fucking lot.
00:41:29
But between there and then all the shit that he did in America, he's like Ted Bundy level serial killer that no one's ever heard of.
00:41:37
And, you know, did a lot of stuff right here in Portland. So congratulations, everybody.
00:41:41
Well done. Bobby Jack Fowler. Good job. Thank you. Good job. Good job. Okay, we're back.
00:41:54
Karen do you have any updates No new updates on Fowler himself He is still considered a suspect in multiple murders along the Highway of Tears but nothing has been proven since his death in 2006
00:42:07
Very frustrating. So Highway 16 has been, since 2017, there's been progress in making it safer,
00:42:15
like subsidized bus services along Highway 16, new cell towers covering those long stretches of dead zones that have been there.
00:42:22
They're meaningful changes, but they're just first steps. The Canadian National Inquiry into Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women and Girls released its final report in 2019 officially calling this violence a form of genocide and issuing hundreds of calls for justice.
00:42:38
so there's been a lot of community-led action, indigenous-led groups like the Tears to Hope Society
00:42:45
create growing awareness and healing spaces for the people that have been affected by these murders.
00:42:51
They do things like relay runs, community safety workshops, and if you want to know more about getting involved,
00:42:59
you can go to tearstohopesociety.com and check out what they offer. I was very moved because last year at the Emmys,
00:43:07
Deferro Wunatai, who was nominated as Outstanding Lead Actor in a Comedy for Reservation Dogs,
00:43:14
which if you haven't seen that show, it is brilliant. It is amazing. He went there. He wore
00:43:19
a black tuxedo with a red hand over his face. So his first big moment at an award show,
00:43:27
he went and represented missing and murdered indigenous women. I just think that's like,
00:43:31
incredible. I saw it and I was like, you are so badass. And this is so important. And you like,
00:43:38
like eyes on the prize for him in that way. And so many people, when you look up, I was just trying
00:43:43
to make sure I had all the information right. All the Google searches are, why does the guy have the
00:43:48
red hand at the Emmy? So people saw it and were like, what is this about? Like, just imagine how
00:43:53
many people he made aware of this insane genocide as the Native people believe it to be. It's like,
00:44:02
it is. No one's doing anything about murders that have been happening for years and years and years.
00:44:07
Yeah. I'm glad it's getting that title. Yeah. But there's a long way to go. Canadian and U.S. governments really need to serve
00:44:14
indigenous populations better. These people deserve justice and they deserve safety.
00:44:20
Yeah. It's a heavy story. We didn't know yet at live shows and even at regular not live shows to end with a positive story. So these are just both bad, both terrible.
00:44:32
It's April 2017. We were just getting on our live show feet, learning these lessons of if there's a drink special at the bar, you have to have a stage high enough so people can't jump onto it. There's rules. There's ways to do things.
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This one's got a little something for everyone. You're going to like this one. Think so?
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I hope so. I don't know. I just said that. I hope you're true. So this one was suggested to me by our friend Kat Solon, who's here, who a lot of you guys
00:48:45
have her shirt design on. Yes. So a lot of the stay out of the forest one and the regular one.
00:48:50
You're going to call your dad. That's all Kat's design. That's Kat. She's very talented.
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And so she said, I was like, what do I do? And she's like, read this book called A Strange Piece of Paradise.
00:48:59
It's by a woman named Terry Jens, and it is about the Kline Falls State Park hatchet attack.
00:49:06
What the fuck? That's what it looks like. What's that guy's pelvis have to do with it?
00:49:12
I'll tell you all about it. Kline Falls State Park is on the banks of the Deschutes River in central Oregon, and it's basically...
00:49:19
Do you guys go there for summer there? The park provides fishing access to the river.
00:49:24
In 1976, the Transamerica Bicycle Trail was the first bicycle touring route to cross the U.S., traveling between Astoria, Oregon, and Yorktown, Virginia, mostly rural two-lane highways.
00:49:38
It was an 80-day, it was called the Bicentennial Trail, because it was a bicentennial, and it was like, ride this trail.
00:49:46
It was a fun play on words. Yeah. I get it. It took you along mostly rural two-lane highways.
00:49:51
It was an 80-day, 4,200-mile trip. So in 1977, two Yale undergraduates, Terry Jens and Shana Weiss, are spending the summer before their junior year riding the Bike Centennial Trail.
00:50:04
They were seven days in, and they stopped to camp at Kline Falls State Park, which you're not actually allowed to camp there, but they didn't know that.
00:50:12
It's near Redmond, Oregon. Both, when they get there, they mention having a creepy feeling like they're being watched, but they both ignored that feeling.
00:50:21
because it's like, what are you going to be like? Let's get the fuck out of here.
00:50:25
You know what I mean? Yeah. No. If you're just like, I have a feeling, and it could be like a deer.
00:50:30
Right. I just don't know. It's just like a really busy-bodied deer that's just up in your fucking business.
00:50:36
Yeah. When did you guys check in? You're not allowed to camp here. This is my area.
00:50:42
Yeah. You don't want to see what I do at night. That's why you can't camp here. It gets real weird.
00:50:48
She's somehow that deer has curtains. What? Who are you? Busy body, dear. Busy body, dear.
00:50:58
Well, they settle in for bed around 10.30, and then around 11.30 p.m., they're awakened
00:51:04
when a truck drives into and over their tent. What? They think that at first it must be like an accident,
00:51:15
a bunch of drunk teenagers, but Terry expects to hear them freaking out, but instead here's what sounds like a single person get out of the truck.
00:51:24
Then she hears Shana scream, leave us alone. And here's the first blow of the hatchet.
00:51:30
Then she hears six quick more blows. And she says, at that point, I knew we were being murdered by a single psycho.
00:51:38
And then he turns his attention to Terry. She says, he's above me. I'm thrashing from side to side and I catch a glimpse of a piece of wood.
00:51:46
I feel a hunk of cold metal and start to lose conscious. At that point, she said she knew she was going to die, but a voice in her head said, I'm too young to die.
00:51:57
So she opens her eyes, and standing over her was a meticulously dressed cowboy, straddling me on each side.
00:52:04
I could see the boots, the pant legs, the shirt meticulously tucked into his pants.
00:52:10
But his, what? Sorry. Like a type A cowboy? That, what you said, yeah. I hate the idea of that so much.
00:52:20
Steven, put that up again. That's where that comes in. Ugh, I hate his pelvis. Yeah.
00:52:28
Steven, I feel like he would have gotten those jeans tailored for sure. Yeah. Well, she said that they were like perfectly, you know, around his boots in the exact way.
00:52:36
She said not a bulge of his cowboy shirt was out of place. Everything was in place.
00:52:41
Even though he had just fucking driven over people and hacked them with a hatchet.
00:52:46
but she said he couldn't see his face, his head disappeared in the darkness but she said she could see
00:52:53
the axe or hatchet poised above her and he brings it down slowly like as if to, you know
00:52:58
what's it called? line it up? and she grabs the hatchet right here like she's praying
00:53:05
and says to him, please go away take whatever you want, but go away and leave us alone
00:53:11
and he fucking leaves sorry you got you got questions go for it do you think he was so fucking like tightly wound he's like
00:53:24
well she did ask politely i want to murder her so badly but she has such good manners yeah maybe i know i also there's
00:53:36
something about like a cowboy they're supposed to be this certain way you know what i mean they're
00:53:42
supposed to be like, come on, let me serve you some beans. Like it's all supposed to be,
00:53:47
you know what I mean? Jump on my horse with me. They're not supposed to fucking,
00:53:51
they don even think they use hatchets No I don know I don think they do Do they I don know I don think so They got it Why would they need to I don know That for the logger Yeah Or the house man Yeah
00:54:06
She feels around the tent for her contacts, puts them in with bloody fingers. What?
00:54:11
How? How? Impossible. I stand there for fucking 20 minutes in my bathroom. I don't mean to question the victim, but I want more information about those contact lenses.
00:54:25
and then she finds her flashlight. Listen, I don't fucking wear contacts. You tell me.
00:54:30
Okay, they're fucking impossible to put in and take out. One time I thought one was stuck to my eye forever,
00:54:36
and it was very upsetting. The idea that you would even try to do contacts in a tent,
00:54:41
who are they? Okay, sorry, sorry. This is really triggering for you. Yes, I'm very upset.
00:54:48
From the cowboy thing, then you went straight into bloody contacts? Carrie doesn't want to fucking...
00:54:55
Right now, I'm that dear. What the fuck is going on over there? You're disgusting.
00:55:03
Wear glasses for the weekend. Your gritty hands and your eyes. Bloody. Bloody gritty hands.
00:55:13
Fucking, okay. I'm a little bit keyed up in this coffee right now. Oh, we are both so excited.
00:55:22
Uh, my God. I'm never getting one of these for you again. Show mode. No, get back to me.
00:55:28
My lifeblood. Your life contact. Your lifeblood contact. Don't go back for it. I'm going to go.
00:55:34
Okay. Uh-uh, uh-uh. Steven, cut that. Okay. She gets a flashlight. She gets out of the crush tent.
00:55:43
She sees headlights down the park road, and she's like, is that the fucking maniac killer,
00:55:47
or is that just someone driving through? So she runs over to it, and I'm like, fuck it.
00:55:50
I got to figure it out. It's two teenagers driving through the park. Worst case scenario.
00:55:55
What if they were the killers? It was a couple. They had just gotten in a fight because teenagers just, you know, get in fights.
00:56:02
Seriously, she said that. I'm serious. So they're all like arms crossed. Like, why are you so bloody?
00:56:07
And then it's like. Can you imagine being like a 16-year-old girl and you're mad at your boyfriend because you talked to this girl that night?
00:56:18
Like, she just asked for a cigarette and he gave her one. She's like, yeah, I'm learning.
00:56:20
and then suddenly fucking bloody person. Can you help me? Ow, my hair. Shit. Those teenage users got married or broke up right then.
00:56:34
They were like, well, I guess it's not that important that she asked you for a cigarette anymore in the scheme of things.
00:56:39
Now that I realize I have some perspective as a 16-year-old, now that I know hatchet murders are happening 50 feet away from me.
00:56:47
Let's see. So the two teenagers are driving through the park. they find her covered in blood she flags them down
00:56:52
and then they were like get in and she was like no my friend come follow me and my friend is here
00:56:56
and so the teens follow her and they find the friend by the river and she's lost consciousness
00:57:04
her head is all fucking hit up and then they bring her to the car and the teens take them both
00:57:08
to the hospital in critical condition guess what? What? They both survive Thank God
00:57:13
Right? Jesus. I wasn't going to tell you that Before I told you about all the hatchet shit, just because then you would be able to breathe a sigh of relief and I didn't want you to do that.
00:57:24
That's good. That's good storytelling. Right? Yes. It's tension. You use that tension.
00:57:27
Yep. Also, it would have been such a bummer if she had died because we were riffing like crazy right before.
00:57:34
No one wanted to really laugh, but now you can laugh. Yeah, now we can do whatever the fuck we want.
00:57:39
But you didn't know they weren't going to die. We just did it. We do it. Because that's what we're like.
00:57:43
That's what we do. That's what we're like. Okay. Okay, there... Shayna's suffering from serious head injuries,
00:57:53
and that's the friend, and Terry has a broken right leg, two broken arms, one of which is severely hacked by the axe,
00:57:59
and there's a tire print left temporarily on her body. Can you fucking deal? Sorry.
00:58:06
Is that the girl that talked to the teenagers? Yeah. Two broken arms and a broken leg?
00:58:10
She tried to... She fucking still ran over to the... Yeah, because she was on, like...
00:58:14
She was in crazy adrenaline mode. Yeah, enough to put her fucking contacts in. Apparently, when adrenaline hits, the first thing you want to do is touch your fucking iris a bunch.
00:58:27
Do you think she got her saline solution? No, I'm just being an asshole. She swirls them around a little bit.
00:58:34
Is that what you do? Investigators have no description of the car, no eyewitnesses, no sign of the weapon, no fingerprints.
00:58:41
So aside from sketches made of the truck's tire tracks, the investigation quickly goes cold.
00:58:48
So in the years following, both women recover. Shana has permanently impaired vision, loss of memory of the tech, and doesn't want to fucking talk about it.
00:58:58
And they stop talking to each other. But I know. But Terry goes back to Yale, finishes.
00:59:04
She's just like a badass. 15 years later she goes back to fucking find the person who did it
00:59:12
and writes this goddamn book about it oh that's her book? yeah holy shit you can show the other one too
00:59:18
I gotta read that book is that her? yeah wow I have to say don't listen to the audiobook
00:59:26
read it the audiobooks I'm sorry you recommend the book book read it right before bed
00:59:35
It'll give you nightmares Yeah, read it It's just because the woman who reads it
00:59:41
Is southern and it just like It doesn't make sense You know what I mean? Because you're just like listening to a southern accent
00:59:47
But the woman isn't southern You know, I realized I just bought the Errol Morris book
00:59:54
That about the one that not the one That you did the story about Dr Jeffrey McDonald Right Is that you did Sam Shepard or Jeffrey McDonald Sam Shepard Okay so I bought the audio book about Jeffrey McDonald
01:00:06
and the guy that's reading it sounds like an alien that's trying to blend in with human beings.
01:00:12
And it is so distracting. It is really, it's an art form, I've realized, for fucking years and years.
01:00:19
So she goes fucking back. But after three years, the statute of limitations has expired.
01:00:26
On attempted murder? On fucking attempted murder. Three years, Oregon. On being a super neat cowboy?
01:00:34
On running over people in their tent that are sleeping and hatcheting them. Fuck.
01:00:39
Three years, you're free. Yeah. So it's unsolved. So in 92, she realized she's suffering from PTSD and she goes back to investigate.
01:00:47
She goes to Redmond with a video camera or a notepad and just starts fucking knocking on doors.
01:00:51
And she says, remember me? I'm this girl. And everyone is like, oh, fuck. Like, everyone had, it really had hit them because it was a really nice town.
01:01:01
And they were so embarrassed that that had happened in their town. They were just like, shit, man.
01:01:05
Like, we're sorry. Well, that became their hometown murder. Totally. They were like, did you hear about that fucking crazy shit that happened?
01:01:11
Yeah. So she starts to comb police files and interview anyone who would talk to her.
01:01:17
Nearly all the official records of the attack, interviews, physical evidence, crime scene photos, had been purged.
01:01:23
But she's able to find a 30-page report, and even that took a lot of effort. The first suspect she zeroes in on is a convicted child molester named Richard Wayne Godwin.
01:01:32
He was known to have killed a five-year-old girl and kept her skull as a candle holder.
01:01:39
He's in prison for that murder, and all the clues about the attack seem to point in his direction.
01:01:43
And of course, I'm like, it's him! I mean, like, anyone who comes up, it's him! A female relative of his was camping at Kline Falls State Park that night.
01:01:53
And it's possible he was pissed at her and did this attack. But various details, he convinces her that it wasn't him.
01:01:59
But he is up for parole. So she fucking hell knows that. And goes in and proceeds to intervene on his parole hearing to oppose an early release.
01:02:09
Shit. Yeah, which worked. That's nice. She just, all she did is walk in and go Just quick note
01:02:16
Candle holder skull Okay, bye, see you guys later Child The fuck do you need me to do
01:02:23
Okay, so with the help of the teenage girl Who was in the rescue car that night The night she was attacked
01:02:30
As well as other locals Everyone was like, we know who did her Terry finds out about a local man
01:02:35
Who was a teenager at the time of her attack What? Less than 24 hours after the attack
01:02:40
Dirk Duran beat his teenage girlfriend so badly that she was put in the hospital. Her parents tried to
01:02:47
file charges against him, but they were told that since they were both minors to just forget it. Yeah, that's
01:02:53
the best way to deal with anything, really. That's absolutely it. The judge told them that. Yeah. Well, he
01:02:59
would know best. Right. Teenagers, they're always beating the shit out of each other.
01:03:02
They always beat the shit out of each other. Their girlfriend and try to drown them in front of an entire
01:03:06
bunch of people. She, The girl tells Terry that the night of the attack, she and Dirk had gotten in a huge fight that had been broken up by her dad around 11 p.m.
01:03:16
That Dirk had left in a rage and after the attack, the time of the attack, showed up at her house high on drugs.
01:03:22
She remembered that a tool, and the next day he beat the shit out of her. She remembers that a toolbox in Dirk's pickup truck where he always stored a hatchet and that toolbox was missing.
01:03:32
And then she realized something else was different about his truck that night or in that time.
01:03:36
She said, I noticed he had changed the tires on the front of his pickup. She visited the scene of the alleged attack and said she recognized the tire tracks from Dirk's car.
01:03:44
Without a shadow of a doubt, she said, I knew it was him. Shit. He could turn from this really nice, yes, ma'am, thank you, ma'am, to Satan in his eyes.
01:03:53
I mean, it was just like two different people, night and day. And then Terry found out from locals that he had an axe that had, or like a hatchet or an axe that had his initials carved in it that went missing after the attack.
01:04:04
and he told people that he hurt someone with it and had to get rid of it. The cops questioned him about it.
01:04:11
Sorry, who did he tell? He was like anyone who would listen. Every person she fucking interviewed.
01:04:16
This book is tits. Like anyone who fucking... Like it's legit. Anyone who will listen, he fucking is like...
01:04:24
He just moseys up to the bar. Hey y'all. Because he knew he was a suspect and everyone believed it
01:04:30
so he would just bring it up with people. Because everyone... His nickname became Dirk the Hatchet Man.
01:04:37
Noah. Yep, Dirk Duran the Hatchet Man. Well, that actually fits really nicely, I have to say.
01:04:44
Yeah. It's not like Dirk Duran the, like, the... The guy that ran over some gals.
01:04:49
Right. Dirk Duran the, like, sword man. Right. That doesn't go as well. Immediate suspect.
01:04:58
And everyone thinks he did it. Got the name. He'd been adopted at a young age, and his parents were pillars of the community, and they ignored their adopted sons of many abnormalities and issues, including rage and bullying.
01:05:11
And Terry suspects that law enforcement did at the time as well because his dad was like a big man.
01:05:17
Terry is told that Dirk's mom had always coddled him, including doing his laundry for him and making sure that his signature cowboy outfit was always meticulous, even making cowboy shirts for him.
01:05:28
Uh-oh. Handmade mom-made cowboy shirts. I want to talk about when you date a guy and his mom did his laundry and you're like, oh, no.
01:05:39
Get out. Get out right now. In theaters now. Get out. That is one of the... Oh, yeah.
01:05:47
I do ask every guy I date or dated, so when did you start doing your laundry? Not even today Because I want to know if you a fucking child They like I not sure mom And then they bring her in During the investigation Dirk is given two polygraphs
01:06:06
So the investigation gets opened back up because this bitch is fucking stirring some shit up.
01:06:10
Yeah, she is. Yeah, girl. During the investigation, Dirk's given two polygraphs,
01:06:15
fails them both, and when the examiner tells him this, he cowers and starts bawling when he's told,
01:06:20
reaches out, holding the hands, or arm to arm, we don't know. saying, I didn't do it, but maybe I don't believe that.
01:06:30
Terry works with... Dirk, you do know you can't, you can say nothing. That's also an option.
01:06:36
Or you can admit to it because the statute of motherfucking limitations is up. So you can be like, yeah, am I going to do that?
01:06:42
Son of a bitch. Okay, Terry worked with victims' advocates' groups' rights to change the statute of limitations on attempted murder in Oregon.
01:06:49
It's eliminated in 96, so thank Terry, among other people. So there's none at all?
01:06:55
None at all anymore. Tell your friends. But it's not retroactive. Oh, well, yeah.
01:07:05
Yeah. That makes sense. I mean, he served four years in jail for a crime he committed against a hunting partner.
01:07:11
The reason he's nailed is because, I clearly copied and pasted that because I would never say that,
01:07:17
is because that she'd brought him to the attention of the police and they needed to fucking do something.
01:07:22
They were watching him carefully. ultimately though she's never able to prove conclusively that he's the attacker um and then
01:07:30
so she said and the book is really fucking amazing because as she's doing this she's like finally
01:07:34
coming to terms with all what happened because she used to make you know how we do like yeah i got
01:07:38
attacked when i was you know like and showing the scar and being like this is a badge of honor and
01:07:43
look how i got past this and i'm successful and then suddenly she's like i'm i have ptsd so she
01:07:49
goes back so she learned she said i learned that traumatic memory gets stored in the brain
01:07:52
differently than other memories. When a trauma occurs, it isn't stored in a narrative with a
01:07:56
beginning, a middle, and an end. It gets stored in fragments like shards of broken glass. So one of
01:08:01
the things that I found profoundly healing for everyone to do is to put those fragments together
01:08:05
in a narrative with a beginning, a middle, and an end so you can tell the story of it. You can
01:08:10
incorporate it and begin to make sense of it. So that's what she did with this book, even though
01:08:14
she couldn't get this guy to justice. And that is Terry Jentz and her book, A Strange Piece of
01:08:21
paradise. Nice. Terry Gents. I love that. Because that must have been so hard. That must have been the hardest thing in the world, to walk
01:08:31
away from a successful life and pretending that you're good with everything and diving back into the deepest shit
01:08:38
and putting it together. You could just keep going, and she was successful and doing well, but she just
01:08:43
wouldn't fucking let go. But she probably wasn't doing it. No, totally not. Deep down. That's awesome.
01:08:48
Well done, Terry Gents. Yeah. That's it. If you know Terry or work with her, please tell her we say hi.
01:08:55
Yeah. Should we? That was a good story. Thank you. Yeah. Okay, we're back. Do you have updates for that horrible story?
01:09:08
Kind of. So Dirk Duran was a pseudonym that Terry used for her attacker in her book.
01:09:14
But in coverage of this case, some media outlets have used his real name. but I wanted to flag that Terry chose to give him a fake name because she was wary of giving him
01:09:23
attention and or potentially endangering women who might reach out looking to reform him so
01:09:28
it's just just a little update wow that's a really smart and unbelievable kind of like
01:09:36
thing to be aware of that there there is this kind of like part of the population that has this very
01:09:42
strange attraction to these horrifying men. Yeah. Yeah. It's just very smart. Mind woggling.
01:09:51
All right. Well, we got so lucky and we got a great hometown from Portland from an audience
01:09:57
member. This is a story about her weekend with Susan Monica. Yeah. Should we figure out a hometown
01:10:06
to hear from people? Can you, if possible, can we just bring the lights up a tiny bit
01:10:12
so we can just see? We know the show's almost over when my tissue becomes... Oh my God, it goes all the way up there!
01:10:17
Hi! I didn't know! You didn't know this, but this is the third show. I know, but I honestly hadn't seen that part.
01:10:26
Look, and there's Steven right there. And then he was there? And they were there?
01:10:32
You see him? No, I still can't see him. because I haven't put my contacts in. I refuse to do it anymore.
01:10:41
Let's put your hands and get it together. Does anybody have a good hometown murder
01:10:46
that's a good story? I don't pick. Is it good, though? Karen picks. Do you promise?
01:10:51
Yes. Okay. Come up these stairs. Oh, I got a thing. Thank you. Hi. Let's give this person a hand.
01:11:01
Hey. Hi. What's your name? My name's Nicole. Nicole, come here. It's Nicole, everybody.
01:11:07
Hi, Nicole. Come on for Nicole. I'm going to hug you. Hi. Okay, this feels so wrong because my sister Angela is the one that brought me,
01:11:15
and she turned me on to you guys. Here, check that. She's amazing. Okay, hi. Angela, do you want to sneak up here like a weird cartoon character?
01:11:21
Please, give me Angela. Let's get a sister change. Don't roll up on the stage halfway through.
01:11:24
I'll fucking pull a gun on you. You should have seen the way my tone changed last night.
01:11:29
It went from like, girl. Look at this dress. Look at this dress, everyone! That's Siamese.
01:11:35
That's good. Walk it around. Walk it around. Walk it around. Yes. For one second, I thought you were gonna fall off the stage
01:11:43
when you took a turn. That scared the shit out of me. I thought it was a long time.
01:11:47
Yeah, okay, good. The sisters don't know how to talk into microphones, but that's okay.
01:11:50
Nicole, and what's your name? I'm nervous. I know, I know. What's your name? I'm Angela.
01:11:55
Angela. Angela, okay. Try it again. Angela. Telling the story and then Angela's gonna do back up?
01:12:01
Yes. If need be? Yes, I will. Yes. Okay. I'm the Karen. She's a Karen, clearly. I'm the Karen.
01:12:08
Got it. So I have to be completely honest. So a few years, what, five years ago now?
01:12:13
Probably. I was in the throes of drug addiction. So I spent a lot of time in and out of jail.
01:12:18
Which, to interrupt, that's part of why I love you guys, because you're so honest about it.
01:12:22
And we know that we can be successful because we've gotten past it. That's right.
01:12:25
Thank you a lot. That is a big thing. Hi, girl. We're glad you're here. For real.
01:12:33
In one of my throws of Let's Still Be Drug Addicts, I ended up in jail for a weekend.
01:12:39
It was the longest weekend of my life because I ended up in jail with Susan. What is her last?
01:12:44
Susan Monica, the pig farm lady. Yes. And she was from Klamath Falls, Grants Pass area.
01:12:52
And I ended up in jail with her. And I ended up having to be sober. That sucks. It was a good one.
01:13:00
It was terrible. And she scared the living crap out of me. She is a tall woman, and she is completely hairless.
01:13:08
She has no hair at all whatsoever. And I was completely unaware of the situations going on in my own town
01:13:15
because I was so consumed with myself. I was like, give me drugs or give me nothing.
01:13:21
So I ended up in jail with her. She's completely hairless. Apparently, she had fed bodies to her pigs.
01:13:28
What? Who's body? I don't even know how many victims she had. I don't think. She had like...
01:13:36
Yes, and so did one of my friends. Hold on a second. You know what? That's not cool.
01:13:41
Yes. I love when I get a chance to do this. Yes, that is her. Stop talking to them.
01:13:47
This is her. I'm so sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead. You tell the story. I ended up with her and she had court and they came and got her and they gave her a wig.
01:13:55
And she was mad about the wig because it wasn't her natural hair color. They made her wear a wig?
01:13:59
Wait, sorry. So she had like alopecia or something? Yeah, something where she was completely hairless and was losing weight consistently.
01:14:06
By the time I met her, she already... Marta will do that to you. Yeah. By the time I met her, she said she had lost like 50 pounds or something.
01:14:14
She was just skin... Who did she kill? She killed workers on her farm from what I remember.
01:14:20
And then used their EBT food cards after they were already dead. What did she...
01:14:26
Because she was also on meth? she was on something. What was she like when you were in jail?
01:14:31
Okay, so here's the creepiest thing, is that because I was so sober, I was so scared of her
01:14:35
once I realized who she was. And there was only two other girls in there. It wasn't like it was a big dorm.
01:14:40
It's four little beds with no TV, and it's the weekend. You're not getting out until Monday.
01:14:46
Jail, right? I was on the top bunk, and I was reading. Since I've been in and out of jail so much,
01:14:54
the officer was kind of new, so they always left me a pile of books. Well I said yeah so nice So considerate That is nice And I was laying on the top bunk and my book fell down and I was too scared to move a muscle So she gets up she gets my book she puts it on top of my bunk with me and then tucks me into bed
01:15:14
I died! I died! Did it look like a big thumb was tucking you into bed? It was like this horrible blanket, this not warm, this crap blanket.
01:15:26
I'm in these clothes that smell like someone else And this murderer This pig murderer
01:15:32
Not even like a good one that used a gun One that fed people the pig Has now put a blanket on top of me
01:15:39
And tucked me in for the night She's like night night No what she says is Are you doing okay?
01:15:46
Are you coming down okay? I'm like yes thank you And I roll over You're helping me so much
01:15:52
So the whole weekend she told me about her murder. She showed me all her court documents, all the paper she
01:15:58
had in the jail cell. She was constantly, constantly complaining because she needed
01:16:03
like this special meal with like no meat. Everything has to be kosher. Because she thought, oh right, right. I was like, are you kidding me?
01:16:12
The irony. Yeah. And she showed me all her paperwork. She's like, they don't know, but I told them
01:16:17
the body's here and they won't listen to me. I'm like, who's not listening to you tell
01:16:21
them where the body is. She's showing me all these drawings and everything and this
01:16:27
other woman makes her dice so she can play the dice game. It was just the worst weekend of my life.
01:16:34
When... But the highlight of my life is when I don't answer the call from prison because I don't have any money
01:16:39
to answer her prison call. So her voicemail is just roommates with pig farm lady, roommates
01:16:45
with pig farm lady and I'm like oh my god yes. It's so sister. I get out of jail.
01:16:53
She's like, so tell me what happened. Tell me everything. Are you okay? Are you going to get clean?
01:16:58
Is everything going? No. Tell me more about the pig lady. Oh, my God. Rock fucking bottom right there.
01:17:07
And I will tell you guys, that's the last time I've ever been in jail. Good girl.
01:17:13
I'm proud of you. I mean, you know, and here's the thing. if you went back to jail after that
01:17:20
it's just going to be a disappointment it's not going to be as good at all you're like they left me Shakespeare
01:17:27
she was like motherly you know what I mean she wanted to talk to everyone find out what their problems were
01:17:34
she wanted to like girl chat at night leave me the fuck alone I'm so sorry for whatever I did to be here
01:17:42
you're like cold and hot and sweating and you're just like... Yes, and she's just like talking,
01:17:48
she's showing you all her paperwork. She's like, and there's so much more that they don't know.
01:17:52
I'm like, what don't they know? I'm gonna testify against you. This is how this works.
01:17:57
I'm trying to like stay calm the whole weekend, you know? And you coming down with her I don want to agitate her If you prison wives do you have to testify against your prison wives There could be a clause I not sure exactly what it is I mean what if you did fall in
01:18:11
love with her though? Oh my God. How'd you guys meet? It was just the longest weekend.
01:18:18
By the time Monday came around and I knew I was getting to leave. I was like, well,
01:18:22
have a good life and good luck with court. Cause she was convinced that she's going to
01:18:25
go home. She just kept saying, well, I'm going to get to go home. They're not going to be
01:18:29
able to do anything. It's fine. They didn't even find all the evidence. Wait, her name is Susan.
01:18:36
What? Susan Monica, Susan Monica, two first names. I hate that. A pig farm killer. And she would feed
01:18:43
the people that worked for her to her pigs. Did she kill them beforehand? In one incident, she told
01:18:49
me that she had killed the guy and then didn't know what to do with the body. So she just took
01:18:54
it outside of the barn. Yeah. Is what she told me. Okay. She's like, I just let, you know, I just let
01:18:58
the pigs take care of it. They'll eat anything. I don't feel bad about eating fucking pig anymore.
01:19:03
I don't know if you should eat pig. You know? Yeah. Did she tell you that story as she was talking you in?
01:19:10
I laid the body gently into the pig. Mencken. Is that warm enough for you? Did you know pigs will eat anything?
01:19:19
They will eat anything. Apparently. Men. It's not nice. Yeah. It was insane. That is amazing.
01:19:27
That is a really amazing story. Nicole, right? Yes. Nicole, everybody. What was your name again?
01:19:34
An Angela backup sister. Sister. Yes. You guys were, that was incredible. Thank you.
01:19:40
Great job. Thank you. I'll steal that from you. Thank you. I have to take it from you.
01:19:44
You guys were great. That was, fuck yeah. Good job. Yeah. I love your dress. Well done.
01:19:50
Everyone keeps asking me. Who's watching Alps? Oh shit, I forgot to get a cat sitter.
01:19:57
I love that that was a sister team. That's fun. That's good times. That's fun times.
01:20:03
That's exactly what happened last night, except for the second one was not invited onto the stage.
01:20:08
Except it wasn't fucking terrifying, and I didn't think my life was ending. And then fucking army roll.
01:20:14
Just, I'll never forget it. No, that was beautiful. She did turn out to be very nice and apologized on Twitter,
01:20:19
which I think is funny. Yeah, lovely, lovely ladies. Okay, we're back. Karen, want to give us any updates on this case?
01:20:29
There aren't really any updates. Susan Monica is still in prison serving her 50-year sentence.
01:20:35
She got convicted in 2015. And basically, it's just, that's it. Just as awful as it was.
01:20:43
Yeah. All right. Well, so this episode was originally titled Live at Revolution Hall.
01:20:48
But if we were naming it today, perhaps we would call it... We can call it I Can See Your Auras, which is what Georgia told the audience because she had had so much yerba mate.
01:20:59
I didn't remember that at all. Oh, my God. I like what am I going to caffeinate myself with this fucking trip That the great mystery you have to solve for yourself Oh my God All right We can also call it I love this get out in theaters now
01:21:15
When Karen says something about guys whose mom does their laundry, get out of that relationship.
01:21:21
Yeah. Don't date guys whose moms still do their laundry. Fuck no. Still or ever. Like, yuck.
01:21:27
Come on. All right. Well, thanks for listening to another episode of Rewind. And go to
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myfavoritemurder.com slash live and see if there's any tickets left for any of our upcoming shows.
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We'd love to see you there. Yes. Now here's our goodbye from the 2017 Revolution Hall in Portland.
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Did you hear that? Yeah. I like it. Let Mimi sing. Portland, we adore you so much. Thank you so much for your support. Honestly.
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I've been telling everybody this anecdote, but it really is true. You guys were there so early for this podcast, and you were so vocal, and you were so in it.
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And one of the first pieces of Stay Sexy, Don't Get Murdered graffiti that we ever saw that got posted to Twitter was from Portland, Oregon.
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And it really meant the world to us. You guys love your vandalism, and we love you for it.
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You vandalize in our name. Thank you kindly for that. You've graffitied our hearts.
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Yes. Permanently tattoo style. We love you. Stay sexy. And don't get murdered. Bye, you guys.
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