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Yes. Every Wednesday, we recap our old shows with all new commentary, updates, and insights.
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Today, we're recapping episode 67, which we named Live at the Egyptian Room, and that was from our Indianapolis live show.
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This episode came out May 4th, 2017. Let's listen to the intro of episode 67. Hi!
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What? Hi, Indianapolis! Hi! You're here! You came like you said you would! You said you would, and you did!
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You told us you were coming! Hi! Wow! This is so Indianapolis! You guys are right up on this stage, aren't you?
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Oh, shit! Hi! It's a little bit threatening, isn't it? We're kind of here because I have a big mouth and says shit.
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Georgia has some stuff to say to you guys. I didn't, I think I was like being complimentary when I said what I said.
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But fuck man, we made up for it, I think. By being here, I mean. I mean, here's the thing.
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we for us we're having a private conversation we're just very slowly catching on to the fact that
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you guys listen to it after we record it yeah it's not just like we're trying to make steven laugh
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yeah we're trying to make each other laugh but then oh and then we're trying to offend the country
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Uh-huh. Definitely. It's very easy to do, it turns out. Who knew? All you have to do is mispronounce some cities
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and tell some people they're dicks, and then, oh, no. Suddenly you're there. There you are.
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Hi. Hello. You're there to make up for it with entertainment. Look at this gorgeous room.
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This is fucking nuts, you guys. Yeah. Thank you so much. When we were in Portland,
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we were in an old, like, high school, And it totally felt like we were, like, the principals giving everyone a lecture about bullying.
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Yeah. It was cool. This feels like we're the ushers at a very fancy movie theater.
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Yes! Where people are very excited to look at the screen. I could kick someone in the forehead right now.
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I'm sorry that that's the first thing I really want to do. Just a quick... It'd be funny, though.
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It would kind of be funny. Hey, let's talk about presents, because that's a positive.
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Oh, you guys. Okay, here's the thing. And this is what's beautiful about having fans like you guys,
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is you'll tweet us or social media somehow and say, if we have a present, how do we get it to you?
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And we don't answer you, because we can't tell you secrets like that. But it doesn matter because you get them to us anyway Figure it out You figure hard days night Yeah People getting on to some kind of thing and putting a towel over it and sneaking back
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I don't know. I'm not sure how you get it. We're adults and we can buy our own shit.
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But when we see a fucking present, we both lose our time. What is it? What is it?
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And then we pull out the car and we start crying and then we think and then we put the
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earrings in. Okay. We're wearing your earrings silver in the city. Silver in the city.
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thank you I hate earrings and I put these in because they're so adorable and cats and I love them
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seems like a lot of people work at Silver in the city it's not like your Walmart out here
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so many earrings take them off and then we got gorgeous thank you look at this cat mug
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these are from I don't remember then it's this part, this is lame The Weatherholt cousins gave me this fucking Siamese cow.
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The Weatherholt girls came together, assuming. I'm assuming they're girls. They used to hate each other, and then they bonded over murder.
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And they got me a Siamese mug. That's my new, it's totally my new stage mug until I leave it at home.
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I love it. Like next trip, for sure. And then they gave you, oh, shit. They gave me, so this is pretty funny.
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So Georgia opens that. Well, I was kind of opening everything. Let's be honest. I'm a bit domineering.
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And so I was pulling shit out and then just I would decide if it was for her or not.
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So we're like, yeah, undeniably, this is Georgia's cat travel mug. And then the next thing came up and we'd read the card that said.
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Enjoy coffee and music. And music. And so I opened this little box and it's a key chain holder, like a key holder.
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And I was like, thanks a lot. But then we're like thinking, me and Georgia Vance are kind of standing there and we're just like, there's got to be more to it.
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and there fucking was because you unsnap it was like a little triangle shaped leather thing
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you unsnap it and inside was a beautiful silver guitar pick that had ssd jam engraved on it i
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started crying it's true we had to redo our makeup we had to bring the whole team from mac back in
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that makes me think because i want to mention like how many messages and emails we get when
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ever we're touring of like really sweet girls being like i'm a makeup artist or i'm a hairdresser
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and i would love to do your makeup and hair for that you know and it's like such a sweet offer
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and i fucking love getting my hair and makeup done we want it so bad but you don't understand
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until like 559 is that a time yes we're getting we're freaking the fuck out and getting ready
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and finishing our murders typing there's a lot of typing at 559 this is it whenever we get asked
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like how much so how much uh research goes into you know how much time do you spend on each one
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and it's like, no, we're not like that. We didn't finish college. We're terrible at homework.
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We care and we love research. We love it and we care about it. We do. And also we save it till the very end.
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We save it. We push it right into our blowout time. Yep. And right into our... We could have had such gorgeous eyeshadows.
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Flowing locks. I mean, we would have been too... We would have been Kendall and the other one Kardashian.
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But no, we're fucking trying to do our book report the night before. Every single time it's like that.
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So thank you for the offers. Yeah, we, I mean, look, we're fucking, we're living high on the hog.
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We're professionals. Offers. And we're just scraping through like feral children.
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I would like to point this out. So as you know, we talk about our fancy outfits that we like to get for the tour.
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We like to really dress it up for you as much as possible. This dress I got last night, again, last minute.
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And I saw it and I was like, magic. It's all coming together for me. It's one of those dresses that has a built-in slip.
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Oh, yeah. Which then turns into a puzzle when you're putting it on. Ladies, back me up.
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This is, I can't believe I made it into this dress is what I'm saying. Oh, my God.
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There was like seven different ways you could do it. Oh, yi-yi-yi. And it's also sewn on.
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Because at one point I was going to rip the fucking thing out. I was just like, get rid of this slip then.
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I don't give a shit. do you ever do the thing when you try to put a dress i like fucking like i hate the extra step
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of putting a dress on basically under a dress so i'll do like a slip so i'll do the thing where
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like they're together and i'll try to put them on at once and it takes four times as long to get it
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on because you're just like no i'm gonna do this beat the system a lot of that also you guys have
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seem to have a lot of static electricity here quite a bit is that one of is that one of the
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things your is that one of your outputs whatever you call it is that how you make money around here
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is fucking up my hair real good oh my god does the city run on it it's my dress is permanently
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stuck my dress it's like my dress is scared and is grabbing my leg usually i like a little more
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flow around this area looks like i just came out of a pond um i meant to put heels on before we came out forgot anyway are those your show show slippers
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yeah they're very cute yeah they are now i'm just so because one time you were like
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those shoes you have on look like those socks you put on under shoes on stage she said that and now i'm like terrified that that's what these always look like but
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there's there's some shit going on with i think i meant it as a compliment oh who knows the way
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when things come out of here. I'm fine with it. Yeah. I mean, who am I to say anything?
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I'm wearing high-heeled clogs right now. I'm wearing boot clogs with what now turn out,
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now that the lights are on me, to be a navy. Oh, shit. What? It did not look like that in the store.
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I'm trying to be fancy. It looks cool They won let me be fancy It looks like you did it on purpose I have heels that are like that high And every single time when I go to leave my hotel room
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I'm like getting ready, of course, rushed, little typing over here, blow drying over here,
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run, run, run. And then I look and there's like shoe choices. And I'm like, fuck you.
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I'm putting you on it. I do it every time. No, I'm sure this was a subconscious thing that I did
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when I was like, no vintage heels, vintage black heels. You can go fuck themselves.
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these are gross Indianapolis you guys just charmed the shit out of me today when near my hotel
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there's a soup store can I tell you this? what a soup store? and you know I love stupid
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not stupid but puns in general it's called supremacy what? I cannot stop laughing about that
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I made Vince write it down backstage and I just looked at it and started cracking up
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supremacy seems like it could be slightly problematic in this day and age. Yeah, I mean, it went through my head.
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White bean supremacy. Stop it. Stop it. Well, when I was a kid, my first record store,
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I didn't realize until I was grown up, and I went, oh, that's not good, was called Vinyl Solution.
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Oh. No. I didn't. My 14-year-old brain wasn't like, they don't want you here, Georgia.
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Yeah, the little Jewish girls walking in. I like punk rock. Yeah, they're like, we don't like you.
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No. That's pretty fucking clever. How could you not like me? I have little pigtails.
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And baby Georgia. Should we sit down? Yeah, let's sit down. This is the part where it gets really official.
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Yeah. This is a nice chair. Cushy. It's like a conference chair. This is a high class.
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You should see some of the chairs that we sit in on these shows. I swear to God.
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It's like a guy came up real quick right before the show. It was just like, da-da-da, da-da-da.
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But this is like Tony Robbins ordered these a couple years ago and left them behind.
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Thank you. Oh my God, am I sitting on Tony Robbins' butt right now? That is so amazing.
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There's someone else that loves to say fuck. Does he? He really does. Oh yeah, he screams it in people's faces.
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Yeah, he's all about it. He thinks it's very freeing. Travel mug with a good on it.
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Travel mug. What does it taste like? Water. I've had too much caffeine at this point in my life.
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Right today. Now. Sugar-free Red Bull, everyone. That's my secret. All right. Okay.
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Okay, but supremacy. Can I tell you about my pizza place in my neighborhood when I was a kid?
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Maybe this started it all. It was called Sergeant Pepperoni's. Jesus Christ. I just appreciate it.
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You've loved it since you were a child. Mm-hmm. Well, everything in my town was just like grocery store.
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Our grocery store is called Food City. Like you didn't have to have an imagination of any kind.
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You were just like, yep, it's a bunch of food in there. We're going to get some for ourselves.
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We'll come back later and get more. I fucking love this. Food City. Can we tell them about our murder, like my murder and our snafu?
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Yeah. It's Stephen's fault. It's everything Stephen's fault. Shout out to Stephen.
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I mean, I could make this about, it's totally his fault. Yeah. So we, because we, as you know, we don't tell each other the stories, the crimes that we're going to talk about right now.
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We don't tell them beforehand. It's not faked, you guys. It's genuinely a surprise we're not acting.
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Real surprise. So last night, I didn't check in or even think about telling Stephen.
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So Stephen's the middleman. We both tell Stephen who we're doing. And then if there is any overlap, he lets the second person know, basically.
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Which there hasn't been thus far. Never has been. Never. Like, am I cool doing so-and-so?
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And he's like, you're good. Always. Yeah. Well, last night, I think I checked in with Stephen around 1.30 a.m.
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Because I was like, well, here's the thing. Here's my person. And also, can you find me pictures?
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And I was less checking and more bossing, of course. and he was like, ooh, we've got some overlap.
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And I was like, what the fuck? So I'd already worked on one. I'd already worked on it.
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I'd actually, and this is why I don't work on things. The seventh grader in me says, this is why I don't try.
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So now you know my guy then. I know your guy. It's the best one. And then I had to put my own together real fast.
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And this is a true story. I, when I got to my hotel room, finally, I sat down. I was like, okay, I had on the plane with my two businessmen on either side of me.
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We're all doing our business. Me typing about murder, them, stocks, bonds, what's not.
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Boring. Ours is so much better. They could have both been poets. Who knows? Who knows?
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I mean, so are we, kind of. That's very true. So what I did was like, because you can never, please never believe that you can actually get the internet on a plane.
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That's such a fucking lie. It's true. Southwest is like Wi-Fi here and Wi-Fi there.
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And I was like, yeah, I doubt it. And so I just cut and pasted like 30 pages from Murderpedia about my person.
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And then I put it in a document. So on the plane, I was just bolding the areas that I wanted to talk about.
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And what a gorgeous document it was. everybody what an amazing amount of work I can do when I apply myself well I mean when you work on
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your murder it mine is like a fucking mess of like different sizes of fun and different fonts and like blacked out and then read it out yes it just such a mess it always like Verdana always comes up as a choice It like who typing in Verdana font Do you hate your eyes
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Oh, it's awful looking. Anyway, go with Times. It's a classic. I use Georgia. I always, do you?
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Every fucking, it's so. Is that true, Georgia? I've never admitted that. That's for you, Indianapolis.
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Yes. inside secrets i mean if it's cute it's fine it's just like a little just go you know dude i would
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fucking if there was a karen and it looked like weird twigs i'd be my whole document i wouldn't
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be like it's gorgeous i love it yeah yeah maybe there will be one day someday uh that's the dream
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to get a font so anyhow i sit down to do my thing where i'm gonna take my bold things that i worked
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on hard on the plane and put them on my brand new document. I titled them both the same thing.
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So when it came up and said, there's already a document that's this, do you want to replace?
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Oh, I said, yes. And so instead of having pages and pages of bolded information,
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I had two paragraphs that were like, anyway, everybody. I was like, what the fuck?
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And it was 5.15. PM hadn't showered yet. Emergency situation. And here we are now.
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And here we go. So we're going to take an hour break. And we'll be right back. And if anyone wants to email us some ideas.
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No. Hold tight. Not true. Who's the worst? It might be me. You're right. Yes. I think it is.
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Yes. From just yesterday. Isn't that weird? That's yesterday. Or no, today. Tuesday.
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It came out today. it's today it came out today we recorded on tuesday and i don't remember any of it we're
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already getting like a couple like put quotes in and i'm like i don't remember talking about
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pinching penises like what the fuck it's all a blur yeah i probably said that because that
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sounds like something i would say oh except for yeah okay fine cherry hill is in new jersey
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i don't know if you guys caught that part but i did one of my murder took place in cherry hill
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New Jersey and the entire time I said it was Cherry Hill, Pennsylvania. I must have said it.
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I'm from California. We don't have states that close. So if you're talking, you're talking about going to Philadelphia, it's like, well, you must be in Pennsylvania.
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There's no other way. I don't. I'm already lost. Of what I'm saying right now. So your whole murder was in the wrong state?
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Uh-huh. Oh, I didn't realize that. I thought you just like mentioned this other city once.
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no oh fuck no i was like the cherry hill mall in pennsylvania i was like i was acting like that guy
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that does the mark twain show where i was just like listen up gather round everybody and let me
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tell you about cherry hill pennsylvania oh well how many people are in the state of new jersey
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and how many people listen to our podcast because we just lost all of those listeners well
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did we lose them or now do they have something to fight about which is their favorite fucking
00:21:04
thing in the world to do it. New Jersey's like, I'm sorry, but I thought you meant people who
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listen to the podcast. Our favorite thing to do is fight. You met people in New Jersey. I get it.
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New Jersey. Yeah. Subset, subset. Okay. Okay. Yeah. They're probably going to just listen to
00:21:18
hear more mistakes and correct them probably because we make a couple mistakes. Listen,
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and you know what happens and cut to we're in New Jersey, right? I mean, you guys know,
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If anybody knows, it's Indianapolis. It's true. We fuck up, then we show up. Yeah.
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Hey. Yeah, that's true. We're back, and I have no idea. What is the Indianapolis drama that you're apologizing for?
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I think I just threw it out there as a city you wouldn't go to, a random city. But then we went there.
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It was fucking coolest. The best. And we went back because it was so good. So I think we made it up to them.
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Well, and I think, again, not to brag, but I think we're pretty good at being like, hey, we fucked up.
00:22:07
So don't be mad at us because we're here. Yeah. Which is great. Yeah. Just like throwing out the name of a city.
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It's not like I would use New York or Boston. Right. I'm doing it again. You're asking for it.
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Also, like I know what this live show was. And then I went on the Internet to look at pictures of the Egyptian room.
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This is the show where the guy was sitting in the front row with his fan and his fur coat.
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This was it. Indianapolis. He keeps coming up and we hope he comes to our live shows.
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Because I kept saying it was St. Louis, but I just had the area wrong. I'm almost positive it was the Egyptian.
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I believe you. Yeah. Anything different now about our pre-show? Our pre-show live show prep is so much better now because we have people to help us do things.
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People are helping us. And that makes all the difference. It's huge. And we kind of like understand the procedure a little bit more.
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Yes. Kind of what we're up against, what we're about to go do and what we should focus on and what we should not focus on.
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Right. Like fake eyelashes. Definitely. Yes. You have to dedicate your time. You must.
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Like put your foundation garments on in enough time where that's not the last minute panic.
00:23:16
Right. Also, the idea that we had what seemed to be an endless conversation where it was like supremacy.
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the whole it's so problematic and hilarious because it's like basically the clock was just
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just up on conversations like this being okay something people don't freak out and joke around
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about yes it was like white bean supremacy where i'm like what are we fucking doing now what are
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we doing we're being our sweet innocent little selves not knowing that in eight years the nazis
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would be at the fucking door that's right well i'll tell you that supremacy the innocent one
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is still open and thriving, and they now go by small batch soups by supremacy. So they got the fucking memo, too.
00:24:00
What happened? I bet you in that sign, small batch soups is huge and by supremacy is real small.
00:24:05
By supremacy, by supremacy. It's a whisper. Look, we all made mistakes. Just ask Soup Plantation how they're handling things.
00:24:13
Jesus. Oh, do you remember those stage chairs? I don't. No, I don't remember the stage chairs from a week ago.
00:24:19
Yeah, for real. It's such a funny blur to be on stage and the things you do remember and focus on and the things you don't.
00:24:25
Absolutely. Because I think in the Egyptian room, if it is the place I remember, it kind of looked like a big conference hall.
00:24:31
So people were sitting in individual chairs. It wasn't a theater. It was a music venue and a lot of other.
00:24:37
Okay, and they put like folding chairs out and shit. That's such a different like vibe.
00:24:40
And they weren't even folding chairs. They were like straight back banquette chairs kind of thing.
00:24:45
Sorry. So I started getting that panicky feeling of they're not going to like us.
00:24:49
They're here for like a Tony Robbins, you know, conference and not us. and the panic began
00:24:56
and that's why that guy meant so much to me. House right, stage left. He was fucking bringing the sass.
00:25:03
Fan. Just, yes, letting us know joke by joke how great we were doing where I was just like,
00:25:09
oh, this is not only not going badly, this couldn't be better. Even though the chick next to him
00:25:13
is getting sciatica from those chairs, he's fucking having a grand old time. And that's all.
00:25:18
She's suffering in silence. Right. Fine with me. Appreciate you. And we did some amazing stories at this show.
00:25:23
Oh, my God. Yeah. We had some choices. Pretty goddamn epic. So let's just get right into it, because I think this is one of your most epic stories. This is Karen covering the story of Belle Gunness.
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That's Karen and George. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We needed to get a big third cheer going before the reading starts.
00:29:51
Pump you guys up. You know? Well I went if I couldn do George then I had to go to number two who I didn the only reason I didn pick her is because she an oldie
00:30:08
She's like a vintage one. You like old-timey. I do love an oldie, but I'd done a couple recently, so I thought I was going to update and try to be more current.
00:30:16
Nope, I got slapped back down by fate. And here I am. I swooped in hard on that guy.
00:30:22
I was just like, this guy's the worst thing I've ever read about in my fucking life.
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He's pretty fucking awful. But so is our girl, Belle Gunness. Right, everybody? You know her, right?
00:30:35
Uh-huh. Horrible. God, she loved to kill people and burn things down. Is that a local thing, or was that just her taste?
00:30:43
Because she really loved to burn. I mean, she was what they call a firebug. All right.
00:30:50
Some of her nicknames were Lady Bluebeard. Oh, that's got to be sad. Like, make you feel bad about yourself.
00:30:56
Yeah, that's going to get you to the tweezers and the magnifying mirror real quick.
00:31:01
Why did they call me that? I shave every day. The Laporte Black Widow. Right, Laporte?
00:31:10
Oh. The Mistress of Murder Farm. Oh, that's fun. That actually seems like a British procedural.
00:31:17
Yes! That I would watch. Dude, it does. The mistress of motor form. Welcome. Axe.
00:31:24
Okay. And Hells Bell. That's cool. That seems more like a... It's like a roller derby name.
00:31:33
Totally is. Yeah. Also, there's a really great female ACDC cover band called Hells Bell.
00:31:39
Oh! That's kicky. Unbelievable. Kicky. It's amazing. I love it. All right. Anyhow.
00:31:45
Belle Sorensen Gunness was born November 11th, 1859. she was from Norway she left there in 1881 at the age of 21
00:31:54
to move to Chicago like her sister did so they emigrated to America she became a servant
00:32:00
and she worked as a servant for a couple years and then she married her first husband
00:32:04
Mads Sorensen three years later in 1884 Mads? Is it Mads? Does it? The Norwegians have the name M-A-D-S
00:32:14
Mads? Mads? It's Mads, that's right Mads is kind of a hilarious name. All right.
00:32:21
Anyway, the two of them marry and they open a candy store. And how fucked up do you have to be to have an unsuccessful candy store?
00:32:35
Because they did it. They sucked at candy. How do you do it? They sold like, what's the gross flavor of that?
00:32:43
Only like those buttons on paper. It's just like buttons. They called their candy store buttons on paper.
00:32:48
Just one giant roll of buttons on paper. Kids kept getting smashed by it every time they tried to get one.
00:32:55
They're just cutting weird pieces out randomly. I like the store. All right. So since their candy store fails, it strangely burned down almost a year later after they opened it.
00:33:11
Oh, that's a burning candy. Smell it. So Bell and Mads collected their insurance on that business,
00:33:20
and they bought a new home. And then they had two biological children, Myrtle in 1897 and Lucy in 1899.
00:33:29
Those are cute. When is Myrtle going to come back? It can't. It's that you will immediately be called a turtle.
00:33:35
Grammar school. Please, think things through. You have to go through the rhyming of the children's names.
00:33:41
sorry I didn't mean to attack you I'm having a fucking kid I don't care they also had a foster child
00:33:50
named Jenny Olson they also had two other biological children that did not survive infancy
00:33:56
and both of them were diagnosed to have had extreme colitis which has the same symptoms
00:34:03
as trichinine poisoning but they're babies and this is a family And so the doctors were like, they have extreme colitis, everybody.
00:34:13
Bye. Interestingly, I mean, both of those children's lives were insured. Shit, as you do insure your baby all the time.
00:34:24
I mean, a tiny baby. In 18 fucking whatever the shit. It's like, that baby was going to be the most amazing, like, stick and hoop baby.
00:34:35
A stick and hoop baby. Look at that arm. Ensure that arm. I was going to call it stick and circle.
00:34:44
God, Jesus. I love it. Jesus. All right. So then on July 30th, 1900, Mads died. He also had some colitis-like problems.
00:35:02
Runs in the family. Yeah. That weird poisoning runs in this family. And interestingly, he died on July 30th, which was the only day his two life insurance policies overlapped.
00:35:15
Oh. Wow. That's asking for trouble. Lucky, lucky, lucky. So the Sorensen's family doctor had been treating him, Mads, for an enlarged heart.
00:35:27
And so the first doctor was like, this is absolutely strychnine poisoning. and then the family doctor was like,
00:35:33
no, no, no, no, sit down, young lady. He died of heart failure. And so she applies her insurance money
00:35:41
the day after the funeral, as you do, and she gets $8,500, which is a little over $200,000 in today's money.
00:35:51
Not for another candy store, probably, right? No, no, no, no. She learned her candy lesson So she uses the money to purchase a 42 farm in La Porte Indiana at the end It scared the shit out of me
00:36:08
We were going to have to come back. I mean, we were about to leave and come back out.
00:36:14
The second apology tour. Damn, so much harder than it looks. okay uh laporte indiana at the end of mclung road
00:36:25
um everybody talks about someone lived there oh my god i love mclung um so she moves in and then it's reported that soon after both the boat and carriage houses
00:36:44
burned down. So maybe that's just what she did to get used to living in a place. You know what I mean?
00:36:51
It doesn't feel like me yet. I don't know. I want to warm it up somehow. Literally warm it up.
00:37:01
Oh, also I just wrote here very randomly, reports say that she was six feet tall and 200 pounds.
00:37:10
No way. No way. I think that's like a Paul Bunyan thing of like, I think she was so horrifying that people are like,
00:37:16
and she's not over, she's not over. It turned into one of those things. Which was tall back then, because everyone was like, no one got higher than 5'4".
00:37:25
Everyone was like, my bones, my rickets. She's like, I'm doing great. I'm from Norway,
00:37:32
and I'll kill you for no reason. All right. So, as she's getting ready to, she buys the farm in La Porte, she's getting ready to move from Chicago to La Porte.
00:37:47
She becomes reacquainted with a recent widower named Peter Gunness, who also is from Norway.
00:37:51
So that kind of, you know, local Norway hookup. And so they get married in La Porte on April 1st, 1902.
00:37:59
a week after the ceremony, Peter's infant daughter died of uncertain causes while alone in the house
00:38:07
with Belle. Then in December of 1902, Peter himself met with a quote-unquote tragic accident.
00:38:16
According to Belle, he was reaching for his slippers next to the kitchen stove. Already there's too many nouns in this. When you have to lie, and we always do,
00:38:28
just kind of keep the nouns to amends you don't need slippers in this story at all
00:38:35
he was just near the stove like he always is kitchen doesn't even need like it's a given that the stove is in the kitchen
00:38:42
that's right don't specify what we already know and take notes you guys for when you fucking kill your
00:38:50
this whole thing is going to turn on us so fucking hard but it'll be fun until then
00:38:56
So many presents until... He's reaching for his slippers next to the kitchen stove when he's scalded with brine.
00:39:05
Ooh. Brine. Again. She later declared that, in fact, part of a sausage grinding machine had fell from a high shelf and hit him on the head.
00:39:18
Pesky sausage machines. Is this kitchen like Pee Wee Herman's? Like, what is happening, Belle?
00:39:26
Then that anvil came from across the room. Okay. So a year later, Peter's brother, Gust.
00:39:37
Is that right? I should have read this over. Gust of Wind. He came down. He takes Peter's older daughter, Swan Hilda.
00:39:50
Wow. When's Swan Hilda coming back, everybody? Wow. Wow. Yeah, when's that one coming back?
00:39:57
When are you going to hear that yelled across the McDonald's play place? Swan Hilda.
00:40:04
No. Don't lick that. It's always licking. Get away from the brine, Swan Hilda. Swan Hilda's uncle, Peter's brother, comes gusked, comes down, gets her, and gets her out.
00:40:21
He comes gusting in? And he grabs her and gusses. That's right. Come on. Soup. Premacy.
00:40:32
Sorry. Sorry. Go on. No, no. Never apologize. Try not to. So she gets out. The uncle's like, something's going on.
00:40:44
Oh, he's like, get the fuck out of here. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Get the one remaining living child of a once flourishing family.
00:40:53
Good for him. Yeah. So the coroner reviews his case, his death, and announces unequivocally, or unequivocally, I'm not sure, that he was murdered.
00:41:05
And his stepdaughter, Jenny, her stepdaughter, Jenny, so I'm sorry, his daughter, is overheard at school saying,
00:41:14
my mama killed my papa she's hit him with a meat cleaver and he died just on the swings chilling fucking juice box kids don't lick that so
00:41:33
just in the candy store um so she's she's brought before the coroner's jury so the
00:41:41
coroner does have an inquest because he like this is incredibly suspicious and when they try to talk to her about it she denies ever having said anything and then bell convinces the coroner that she absolutely innocent and she didn do anything he believes her does he marry her he does he does not marry her but then I thinking if she really was if she really was six feet tall 200 pounds she must have been an amazing presence to be able to be like
00:42:08
oh, no, no, I didn't kill him. Goodbye. Can you imagine this kind of like a giantess just being like murdering
00:42:15
and then being like, but don't blame me. Goodbye. Has to duck through the door on the way out.
00:42:24
But it's like, but. Everyone drops. Okay. This is taking too long. So. Belle tells neighbors soon after, she explains, Jenny's gone off to finishing school.
00:42:39
Never good. Finished. Yeah. That's right. So Belle runs her farm from 1903 to 1906.
00:42:49
And in 1907, she hires a farmhand named Ray Lamphere. I think we do have a picture of Ray Lamphere.
00:42:56
He's got a mustache. Nope. She also had a mustache. You weren't wrong. But that was Belle.
00:43:04
Nope. That's a good one, though. That's the farm. We just keep going through. Yeah.
00:43:11
What if there's, like, 90 pictures? They'd be like, and there's me. There's Summer.
00:43:16
There's Ray Lamphere. He looks chill. He looks like 70% of the bartenders in Los Angeles.
00:43:24
No, I don't want to come see your improv team. Thank you. Oh, just the look in his eyes is so dead.
00:43:33
Bill, let me help you with your farm. I got this. I need to help you. So that guy.
00:43:42
And also, could we just really quick, could we go back to the picture of Belle herself
00:43:45
just to see why everyone is so in love? There she is. That's her? Yeah. Oh, she's pretty.
00:43:52
She's not. Am I wrong? What's that? Is she pretty? She pretty. Is she? She is. She pretty.
00:44:04
She pretty. She pretty. Even I'm like, oh, maybe she didn't do it. You know what, you guys?
00:44:12
I think she's innocent. I feel like, look at her. Look at, she, I mean, she does have a hat face, and that's, I can't say the same thing.
00:44:21
I mean, the ruffles. Anyhow. So Ray Lamphere shows up with the fire in his eyes and the insane mustache.
00:44:30
And he is immediately in love with her. So he'll do anything she asks. All right.
00:44:36
So that's what's happening, the feel around the farm. And at the same time, Belle Gunness puts an advertisement in the newspaper in all the Chicago daily papers.
00:44:48
And in, I guess, some of the Norwegian papers. and this is the, it's basically kind of like a personal ad
00:44:56
and hers reads, personal. Comely widow who owns a large farm in one of the finest districts in La Porte County, Indiana
00:45:04
desires to make the acquaintance of a gentleman equally well provided with view of joining fortunes.
00:45:12
No replies by letter considered unless sender is willing to follow answer with personal visit.
00:45:18
Triflers need not apply. Hey. I don't want no scrubs. Yeah. And a bachelor's side.
00:45:29
Best friend. It's best friend's farm. Trying to burn down a horse. Burn down a horse.
00:45:41
She tried to burn that horse. Triplers need not apply. Is our next shirt. Oh my God.
00:45:52
Shit. Steven. Steven. Steven, get on that. Steven, do it now. I mean, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:46:02
She's not wrong. Yeah. She can't sue us. Yes, she murders children. Yes, she murders children and adults.
00:46:07
Yes. But. But also, triflers need not apply. No, they didn't. They simply needn't.
00:46:13
They needn't. Okay. Okay. So now there's a stream of, like, middle-aged, mostly Norwegian male suitors that are coming to the farm,
00:46:26
bringing their, a lot of them are just clearing out their bank accounts, they're selling their houses, they're cashing it all in
00:46:32
and bringing their money to this woman that, oftentimes she would be exchanging letters with them
00:46:41
and they were like kind of, you know, love-ish letters. My dearest mother. Yes, that's it exactly.
00:46:50
I don't know how to write. I'm not a poet. So Ray Lamphere is getting really jealous because these men are showing up and they're not leaving.
00:47:01
In the bad way. So she fires him on February 3rd, 1908. And shortly after, she presents herself at the LaPorte Courthouse and declares that Ray Lamphere was not in his right mind and was a menace to the public.
00:47:20
and she actually ends up convincing local authorities to hold a sanity hearing against him.
00:47:28
He's pronounced sane and released, Hugh. Gunness is back a few days later to complain to the sheriff
00:47:35
that Lamphere had visited her farm and argued with her and that she contended he posed a threat to her family.
00:47:41
He posed a threat to her family. She's killed everyone in her family. Everybody.
00:47:47
Everybody. And she has Lemphire arrested for trespassing. Wow. Then she tells a lawyer in La Porte that she fears for her life and the lives of her children.
00:48:00
She said that Ray Lamphere threatened to kill her and burn her house down. Oh. Three fingers pointing back at her.
00:48:09
Classic. So she makes out a will in case he goes through with it. And then she leaves her entire estate to her children and leaves.
00:48:22
And then she pays off her mortgage. and she doesn't go to the police to tell them about Lamphere's behavior.
00:48:30
She's just telling this lawyer. And then the new, she hires a guy named Joe Maxson to replace Lamphere in February.
00:48:39
And in the early hours of April 28th, 1908, he wakes to the smell of smoke in his room.
00:48:48
And he's on the second floor of the house and he opens the door, his bedroom door, to a sheet of flames.
00:48:53
he's screaming Belle's name, the children's names he doesn't hear anything so he runs out the door
00:49:01
in his underwear, he leaps from a second story window, he barely survives the fire
00:49:06
he races to town to get help but by the time they come, the hook and ladder old fashioned fire truck
00:49:13
comes back, the whole farmhouse is gutted in a heap of smoking ruins and that's that picture of all the
00:49:19
people standing around that's what's left and in there they find the bodies no yeah there's four bodies three child children's bodies the
00:49:31
children are all in their beds and then one of a grown woman but she doesn't have a head
00:49:37
so so they're like oh this is terrible the house burned down and the gunness is all died inside of
00:49:46
it well the doctors measure the remains and uh making allowances for the missing neck and head
00:49:53
who wrote that obviously they're not going to measure an invisible neck and head
00:49:59
um so they say that the corpse is a woman who stood five foot three and weighed no more than
00:50:06
150 pounds um their neighbors said that bell was probably five nine but she did weigh like
00:50:13
you know 180 200 pounds whatever so uh they had they actually had a dressmaker that was in chicago
00:50:19
that they contacted who had her exact measurements brought them back and this body was not bell
00:50:25
gunners in the fire that's police work man yeah yeah shit yeah in the turn of the century police
00:50:31
work let's get positive um but they do find bell's dentures in the ashes and so because of that
00:50:40
the police can't they're like well this then is her like they did everything else
00:50:46
everything else is like nah you know I mean we heard she was 5'8 but it's the teeth that really
00:50:52
prove it the teeth that didn't stay in her mouth most of the time the teeth that mostly were in a glass
00:51:01
removed from your face they were in a glass at the top of where her neck was it's inappropriate
00:51:10
all right now one of her earliest victims so i will read you this list of people who did
00:51:18
show up at this farm thinking that they were in love with a woman and they're going to live the
00:51:23
rest of their life on a beautiful farm with her and who never left one of them had a brother who
00:51:29
when his brother never came back and he never heard from him again he showed up at the farm
00:51:34
and bell was like oh he never came here and he the whole time was like this woman's dirty i don't
00:51:39
like it there's something about so he went after this fire he went to the sheriff and was like
00:51:43
you have got to investigate this this is this woman's insane so sheriff smutzer was the man's
00:51:48
name um yeah the smutzers uh he takes a dozen men back to the farm they begin to dig and on may 3rd
00:51:56
1908 they unearth the body of jenny olson the stepdaughter they also found a small bodies of
00:52:04
two unidentified children and subsequently the body of andrew helgelian who his brother was the
00:52:11
one um easel probably not um was the one who was making they find his body and then as they begin
00:52:21
digging they just keep finding bodies and so these are the bodies they found um ole b bunsberg of
00:52:28
iola wisconsin oh did you hate him did i pronounce it wrong i'm like what good luck with this
00:52:46
it's gonna get worse i mean there's just a bitch fucking shitload of scandinavian names i'm not
00:52:52
going to be able to pronounce um thomas lindbo um uh henry girlholt uh they found they find his watch in the ground um olaf's vennerhood
00:53:08
this is like this is like sorry this is also like a betty white's character on golden girls
00:53:17
and just like, oh, you mean when Olaf Sverdnhut went down to the farm and never came back?
00:53:26
John Moe, he was there too. Olaf Lindblom. I mean, it's insane. It goes on and on.
00:53:34
And she ended up, they think that she killed over 40 people. Men, women, and children.
00:53:42
Holy moly. And this is kind of my favorite part of it. And there's lots of people that are like unnamed or somebody would like came by.
00:53:52
There's, you know, it's bad. And they actually didn dig the whole farm at the time They found kind of the bodies that they knew proved that she really was a killer but they didn actually excavate the entire farm
00:54:05
So they know of 40, but they think there could be tons more because she had many, many hundreds of acres to bury a body.
00:54:12
Should we go there right now? Oh my God, I'm dying to. Does anybody have a shovel?
00:54:18
That'll be so much fun. But she's gone. She's disappeared. so nobody ever there's lots of sightings of her
00:54:26
and there's people who are there's detectives who think they see her in Mexico City, in New York City
00:54:32
and all over the place but no one ever actually finds her really? but in 1931 a woman whose name was Esther Carlson
00:54:42
was arrested in Los Angeles for poisoning August Lindstrom for money and two people who had known Bill Guinness
00:54:50
claimed to recognize her from the photographs but the identification was never proved,
00:54:55
and Esther Carlson died in jail while awaiting trial. Whoa. And that is the story of Belle Gunness, everybody.
00:55:03
Yeah. Man, that's good. Never found her. They never found her? She got away with it.
00:55:14
She got away with it. She probably did more, right? Yeah. After. Yes. Oh, yeah. Now she's good at it.
00:55:21
Totally. Or what if she didn't? What if she stopped murdering? She's like, I'm going to get this candy thing right.
00:55:29
And then she became Mrs. Haribo. Thank you. Come on. Okay, we are back. It's an old case.
00:55:40
Karen, any updates? Nope, none. But here's the update I do have. After our 2017 show in Indianapolis,
00:55:49
Harold Schechter released Hell's Princess, The Mystery of Belle Gunness, Butcher of Men.
00:55:55
And that became a bestselling biography. It's still considered one of the most detailed accounts of Belle's story.
00:56:01
So it's everything I needed to tell the story and did not have. A year later, all the other true crime podcasters get to benefit from Harold Schechter's book.
00:56:11
Also, the personal ad sign-off, Triflers Need Not Apply, that was from Belle Gunness' hand directly.
00:56:18
We made merch. Everybody loved it. It was a huge. It was big. Triflers Need Not Apply was like a big moment.
00:56:25
It was great. So, yeah, I think this was an epic show kind of all the way around.
00:56:29
Totally. And we're only halfway through because George is about to bring the thunder with one of my favorite cases.
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Yeah. And it's just getting to be one of those like, oh, shit, this is a heavy fucking hitter story.
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I bet you guys know what it is already. Herb Barmeister. Gotta be. Screw that. Herb Barmeister.
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There we go. Herb Barmeister. Fucking Herb. Born. Can I say something really quick?
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Yes. there is a picture when you google her Baumeister and you google images he it's hilarious
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I mean whatever but there's one picture and I don't it's the cover of a book someone wrote
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it's that mask that skin mask yeah what is that what is that I don't know it comes up
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and it's terrifying it comes up and I click off of it really fast but then sometimes
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I wait like three seconds and then I click off it really fast it's we're not I don't have it
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it's such a bummer that's on you guys that's your time Steven leave it up the whole time
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it looks like anything you've seen in ed game school except for that it's melting on purpose
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to fuck with you it's so upsetting it could be i don't think that's his you don't think he made it
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i don't know i don't know if he did that was it just a piece of art probably unrelated you know
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how like okay um how stuff gets in there and all of a sudden you're like oh kogan come on i'm trying
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to look up a murder. One of the first photos that comes up when you Google my name,
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not that I do it every night or anything, is a Miley Cyrus photo. And I don't know why.
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You lucky. I know. Okay. April 7th, 1947. Herb Baumeister is born in suburban Westfield
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near Indianapolis. His childhood's normal, but his adolescence, he begins exhibiting
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antisocial behavior. Acquaintances later recall him playing with dead animals and urinating on a teacher's desk.
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Oh. Like, was he standing on it, peeing down? Or was he just, like, up in the air,
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and it was like a waterfall? From his desk? Yeah, yeah. Because then that's not antisocial at all.
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It's, like, the coolest guy in class. Yeah. That's, like, very social. Yeah. I have so many questions about that.
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Yeah. A friend says he would say strange things, like, wonders what it would be like to taste human urine.
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Hmm. not interested. And he had a fascination with dead animals. As a teenager, he's diagnosed with schizophrenia,
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but he doesn't receive further psychiatric treatment, which seems so hard to believe because...
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Anyway, he was successful in a lot of ways. So I don't know if that's... Like he could afford doctors and stuff, you mean?
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No, that he was schizophrenic at all. Oh, he went on to have normal jobs and stuff?
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Yeah, like unmedicated. Okay, as an adult, he started... Or a successful murderer.
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Yeah. That seems like a hard thing to be. Yeah. As an adult, he starts to exhibit increasingly bizarre behavior,
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but of course, someone still marries him. Always. I have a photo. I think there's a photo of the two of them together.
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The Bellmeister family? No. Let's look at him. There they are. Steven, you did not put these in order.
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Steven, you didn't put these in the order I didn't tell you to put them in. Never told you about.
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That one works. I think there's one more behind it. Yeah, there we go. She's like, that's right.
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He put a ring on that crazy motherfucker. He's like, I'm going to kill a lot of people.
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Sure, I'll buy you a ring. Little does she know. He marries Julie Sater in 1971, and they have three fucking children.
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Although Julie later admits that she and Herb had sex only six times in the 25 years they were married.
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So you can go back to the one of the family. There we go. Look at those kids. They're like, oh, fuck.
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So it's just six times. So it was two for the kids. Three for the kids. Oh, three kids.
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Each time took two tries. And that was it. That's it. It's all you get, Julie. And then there's a piece of tape down the middle of the bed.
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You stay on your side. Yes. But actually, she said she never saw him nude. That he would get dressed in the bathroom, put pajamas on the bathroom before coming to bed.
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He was ashamed of a skinny body. But also a fucking psychopath. So, yeah. It's not just, like, a lot of people are skinny.
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Yeah. It's not a big deal. A lot of people are, you know, it's kind of the dream for some.
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A lot of people are like flaunting that shit. Yeah, that's true. Making money at it.
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He has a bunch of weird jobs, but his behavior is always weird and creepy, including urinating on his boss's desk.
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Wait. He was like, it's me, the urinating on the desk guy. Kind of his thing. Again, standing on the floor and pissing up
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or standing on the desk? Because it's kind of like funny if he was standing on the desk going,
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you know but if he's on the ground it's like oh or was the desk in the bathroom and it's not his
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fault fair let's be fair good question fairness what if in the bathroom after this there's just
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i walked into pee and there's just a desk in the bathroom it's haunted someone's like georgia i'm glad you came in to see me today this is your yearly review
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I never saw him nude. He was skinny. Weird job. Peeed on a desk. Then he founds a thrift store chain in Indianapolis in 1988 called Save-A-Lot.
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Boo, Save-A-Lot sucks. Did you guys know that you used to buy your fucking vintage shit at a fucking murderer's shop?
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It was all covered in pee I sorry I sorry I don normally do pee and poo jokes What if your childhood bunk bed was from Save
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Oh, bad memories all of a sudden. Your mom, you keep getting blamed. You're like, I swear to God, I don't wet the bed.
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I know I'm seven. Can you please listen to me? Then why did I smell like pee? it became super fucking successful
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and they opened a second location and they got super fucking rich they buy a huge Tudor house
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in upscale Westfield district called the it's called Fox Hollow Farms they have a fucking
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you live in a place with a name oh we got rich people here yeah you guys Fox Hollow Farms
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18 and a half acres and an indoor pool which is oh this depresses me so much it smells so much like chlorine
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in that pool They always say, it just makes me think of like your divorced dad who's like spending all his money before your mom can get it.
01:06:58
It's just like, so he has an indoor pool. Yeah. It's just like, I don't. Kids, it's snowing.
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Get in there. And you're like, but I can't, but I don't want to do laps. Okay. Then in the 90s, 1990s, gay men in the Indianapolis area start to disappear.
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Authorities, of course, blamed it on their lifestyle. And they were like, they ran away to the big city.
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you know to like so we were we wouldn't like make fun of them um so that's where they went
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and uh that all the men were of similar age height and weight but virgil vandegrift who's like a
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fucking the hero of the story needs to be played by like harrison ford or some shit he's kind of a
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vandegriffy type and the griff it's me virgil vandegriff virgil look at my earring
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he has an earring I hate that earring they just call him Griff Griffey anyways he's a retired
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successful private investigator which is fucking awesome and he's approached by the mother
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of 28 year old Alan Broussard to ask for help finding her missing son and Virgil starts
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to put the pieces together Alan was part of the local gay scene and was last seen
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leaving a bar called Brothers well and after party there where it seems like brothers something's going on at brothers i don't know i kind of don't want to
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know uh it would take too long for a audience to tell us a story yeah but let's have our bachelorette
01:08:25
party at brothers right that's where you um or it burned down and people are upset we won't know
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okay well investigating alan's disappearance vandegrift stumbles upon the case of jeff jones
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who disappeared in mid-93, a year earlier, vanishing from the streets of Indianapolis.
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The last disappearance which caused Van de Grift to link all the cases and convince him that
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Indianapolis has a serial killer was when he was confronted by a man named Tony Harris. I think
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that's not his real name, though, because he was like, I don't want to be a part of this. He tells
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Van de Grift that his friend Roger Allen Goodlett, 34, had left a gay bar called Our Place with a man
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calling himself Brian Smart, and he hadn't been seen since. So Tony is convinced that Brian Smart
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had killed his friend, but when police brush him off, he takes matters into his own hands.
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Oh, hell yeah. Chuck Norris style. Fuck yeah. Played by Chuck Norris. We've done it.
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We're casting this thing. We're doing several jobs at once. Steven, write those names down. When Tony next sees Brian Smart at a gay bar, he tricks Smart
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into taking him home with him. Shit. Yeah. Oh, he's going undercover like? Yeah.
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Yeah. Well, that's not a good idea though. I know. But it's pretty badass. It's insanely badass.
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Yeah. Only because he survived and otherwise it wouldn't be. Yeah, it would be an intense tragedy.
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Yeah. Okay. We all understand. We got that. Smart invites Tony back to his house
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for a cocktail and a swim. When they get to Brian Smart's house, a large Trudor mansion,
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they go for a swim in the indoor pool. And eventually things get weird-er when Smart
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says, you know what I mean? Yeah. Indoor pool is weird enough. Weird. I just learned that, so
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Brian Smart says, I just learned this really great trick. If you choke someone while you're having sex, it feels really great.
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That's not a trick. You're like, we were, sorry, we were just talking about baseball. What the fuck?
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What are you doing? I thought you were going to show me some magic This is not a magic trick.
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This is creepy. And he says, if you choke someone, you really get a great rush, he says.
01:10:42
Okay, sounds fun. Brian shows Tony how to pinch the carotid arteries and says, it's such a great buzz.
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You should see how someone looks when you're doing it to them. Their lips change colors, and that's how you can tell it's working.
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And you're like, cool, let's make out. Who the fuck would... I just want to know you more now.
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Yeah. Yeah. So Tony allows Smart to demonstrate on him. But Tony's not the private investigator, right?
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No, Tony's the dude whose friend lifts a gay bar with that dude. He's just like, I'm going to do this myself.
01:11:16
Yeah. That's awful. It's a lot of bad ideas. A lot of bad ideas. Maybe he thought he could find...
01:11:23
Okay, go ahead. Sorry, I keep interrupting. No, it's good. That's the point of this whole podcast.
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Oh, right. That's right. So he allows him to do it. But he pretends to be unconscious before he could pass out,
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which I always thought was a fake thing. Eventually, Tony convinces Smart to take him back into town.
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It happens. He wakes back up. He's like, I'm good. And he's like, can you take me back to town?
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And he does. And he's like, fine. Yeah. Because he didn't pass out sexy enough or something.
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Also, what I hate is I'm picturing all of it happening in an indoor pool, so it's all echoey.
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Smelly, yeah. It smells like chemicals. And it's like, now you pass out. Could you just, I gotta go.
01:12:02
A gross, moldy chaise lounge. One of those signs that says, we don't swim in your toilet, please don't pee in your pool.
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Or active diarrhea, if you have it, please don't come in our pool. You just heard that, you see that one?
01:12:17
Active diarrhea. If you have had active diarrhea in the past 24 hours, this is, we don't do shit jokes.
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Yeah, but it's not, it's not who we are. No. There's also the one that's like, welcome to our ool.
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You might notice there's no pee in it. Let's keep it that way. That's funny. Signs from the 70s.
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Love it. Da, da, da, da, da. And then, oh, and then, so he convinces him to take him back to town.
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Tony brought this information to Vandegrift, who I'm sure Tony left some shit out probably, right?
01:12:49
That's like even worse than that. And he also told Vandegrift about how there were mannequins in the basement
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where Smart had his like bar hang area. What did they call them? like a bachelor murder area yeah mannequins all dressed up in various poses like hanging out
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i'm gonna start crying i don't like this at all well when tony's like what the fuck smart he's
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like i get lonely down here they give me company they give me company they give me company do you
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know what I bet I bet so I think he would bring home clothes from the his thrift store I bet he'd
01:13:32
bring them back and someone in this audience is wearing them wondering can we bring the house
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lights up uh do you know how loud I would start screaming if we turned a corner we're like here's
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the mannequin room i could just be like i mean especially if you look like that fucking dude
01:13:57
can we get the closer picture of her because that one's a real one more back um by himself
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um because he's got the eyes he's got the eyes of a person that nope loves mannequins they'll
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find out there he is i love mannequins but you love mannequins like they're just like people but
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they don't talk oh herb okay so he brings this all the info to the police virgil vandegrift brings this info to the police but the only person
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who would take him seriously was a detective named mary wilson who's who's played by her
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Who's playing her? Marsha Gay Harden probably is my first guess. Great. Because she's going to be a person that's going to be able to wear a good pantsuit.
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She's going to put her hand back like this and show her gun, but she's not going to brandish her gun.
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She's just going to be like, I've got a gun. Yeah. That's Marsha Gay Harden for you, ladies and gentlemen.
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That's perfect. So Mary, as it turns out, was investigating disappearances of other Indianapolis men as well.
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Those of 20-year-old Richard Hamilton, 21-year-old Johnny Bayer, and 28-year-old Alan Livingston, and others dating back to the early 90s, all gay men.
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Well, Tony couldn't remember where Smart's house was located. Oh, Tony. I know. It's key information.
01:15:22
I know. He's like, I think it had the name Fox in it. Like, he really couldn't remember.
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And they even were like, what about this house that has an indoor pool? And he's like, I don't think it is.
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It was. Tony. Okay, Tony was high as fuck. A little Coke. little fucking he's like look i had to blend in it's just i had to do what was everybody else was
01:15:42
doing it's the early 90s there's a lot of coke probably i don't really remember an indoor pool
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or mannequins um let's see he couldn't remember but he's a he is he is obsessively frequenting
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gay bars for the next year in hopes of spotting smart again he's like i'm gonna fix the fact that
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i can't remember this shit well yeah um but he couldn't track him down a whole year almost
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Then, on the night of August 29, 1995, Tony spots Smart in a gay bar takes down his motherfucking license plate number.
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Nice. When Mary Wilson runs the plates, they belong to not anyone named Brian Smart, but to Herbert R. Baumeister of Westfield, Indiana.
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Did you guys catch on to that? Probably, right? I did, yeah. I did. I did. I definitely did.
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He lived in an estate called blah, blah, blah, blah with his wife and children. The manor house, Mary learned how to swimming pool in the basement.
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Mary confronted Herb at his thrift store. She's like, I think you're a fucking murderer of gay men.
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And his thrift store is failing right now because of his increasingly erratic behavior.
01:16:47
With mannequins. You're like, Herb, we don't need that many mannequins in here. It's just, you can't even walk through the aisles.
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Yeah, it's nuts. You don't need shopping mannequins. We have shoppers for that. Ooh, how creepy would that be if you turn a corner with your shopping cart and it's just like,
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mannequin with a shopping cart. I wanted this Coors t-shirt. It's mine. Oh no. But he refuses
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to talk. They said they wanted to search his home and they're like, he's like, talk to my lawyer.
01:17:19
Don't talk to me again. But then they go to his wife, Julie, who also has, you know, reign over
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the property and is like, Hey, guess what? Your husband's, we think he's killing gay men around
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town. Can we search your property? And she's like, I can't deal with this right now. Get
01:17:32
the fuck out of here. Nope. Nope. She like noped it real hard. Well, that makes a lot
01:17:36
of sense. You gotta, right? Oh, that's awful. Yeah. She's like, oh fuck. She's like, gonna
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go for a swim. I can't handle this right now. Well, six months goes by and her brain
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is like oh like slowly catching up to the oh fuck goodness of it Yeah She remembers that a year earlier her son had been playing in the wooded backyard and he finds a half complete human skeleton What Hey mommy Mommy You
01:18:10
gonna have that mommy. Mommy it's Halloween already. Oh and she's like oh shit and she's like honey
01:18:18
please tell me an excuse because I can't handle this. Yeah. And he told her that his father had
01:18:23
been a doctor. He said it had been one of his dissecting skeletons. But he stored it in the garage and then
01:18:29
buried it in the backyard after he decided to clean the garage. As you do. And there was the slippers
01:18:35
and Brian, you know. It's like this all the time. Well, this happens. I thought you were going to say
01:18:43
and I feel like other people did too. Like the son found like a human femur or just some one
01:18:48
small thing. Not a half buried human motherfucking skeleton all like Wes Craven presents in your
01:18:57
backyard. It is so upsetting. That poor kid, man. Jesus. He's not having a good life. Or I hope he is.
01:19:07
Or he's living his best life. That's right. He became Oprah Winfrey. Love it. Love it. In addition,
01:19:17
for several months at a time, she and the kids would get the fuck out of there and visit his mother, leaving her
01:19:22
at home alone for like months at a time. Makes sense. Right. When you leave your husband for months
01:19:28
and go to his mom's house because she's cooler to hang out with than your husband.
01:19:32
His mom's cooler than him. Yeah. That's your marriage. Yeah. Great. Bye. And the timeline,
01:19:41
she like put it together and the timeline matched of when the guys were disappearing.
01:19:46
So she was like, you know what? I'm going to file for divorce. And then she calls Mary
01:19:51
and she's like, get the fuck over here now. He's out of town. So in June of 96, Mary, um, she, Mary goes to,
01:19:59
Mary along with some skeptical officers who of course are like, they ran away to the big city,
01:20:03
you know, still, no. It simply must be so. Yeah. Well, I don't look at evidence. I make it up.
01:20:10
Easy, easy. Yeah. I was like, I bet you'd be like, easy, easy. No, no, no. Easy peasy. Got it.
01:20:16
they go to the property to search they step out into the backyard and they immediately encounter a bone about a foot long
01:20:25
charred from having been burned in the backyard as well as fragments of bones strewn about
01:20:31
and even human teeth oh dude that's from my uncle's dentist dental company that he used to and he loved gardening so much
01:20:45
we heard it helps the plants grow and keeps the bugs away. You sprinkle teeth on petunias.
01:20:50
Oh, the colors. The state fair every year. I enter them. It is nightmare. You walk out from an indoor pool into fucking the bone yard.
01:21:03
Like crunch, crunch. What? The sheriffs are like, we don't think this is. Oh, fuck.
01:21:12
And Mary's like, gun. Yeah. What did I tell you? I fucking told you so. Uh-huh. After police thoroughly searched the 18-acre estate,
01:21:23
they turn up the remains of 11 men. Ugh. Early in his investigation, Vandegrift,
01:21:31
good old fucking reliable Vandegrift, he's going to be played by a hound dog, I think.
01:21:36
You know what I mean? With a fucking... Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? Yep. Hat and coat?
01:21:43
Yes. Yep. McGrath. Yeah, he's McGrath. That's right. He's halfway there. It's all there.
01:21:50
McGrath, Vandergriff. There we go. So easy. So he had made connections to the disappearances of gay men in Indianapolis between them and
01:21:58
the strangling murders of gay men whose bodies were found dumped along the corridor of Interstate
01:22:03
70 in Indiana and Ohio between Indianapolis and Columbus. Is that right? Which had been dubbed the I-70 murders.
01:22:12
And it's Herb? Well, here we go. Oh, sorry. Yes. Thank you for listening. That's my story.
01:22:19
The last known I-70 murder, nine of them in all, had been committed in 1990, not long before the Indianapolis disappearances began.
01:22:29
So Julie Baumeister told authorities that her husband made as many as 100 trips to Ohio and on what he said was a business trip.
01:22:37
You know, as you do it, you're in a thrift store fucking shopper. You got to get that good Ohio thrift clothing.
01:22:42
Right? You guys have all those grandma sweaters. I mean, I would do it. I would do it right now.
01:22:51
I would go right now. First we go dig up the rest of your ladies' farm. Then we fucking go.
01:22:57
Then we go down to sweater land. Or is it down? Don't know where I am. That way.
01:23:03
Not sure where I am. Is there barbecue on the way? We stop for barbecue on the way.
01:23:07
Good, good, good. Great. And then. so 100 business trips on when he said it was store business
01:23:14
and during the late 80s his and his photo matched the police sketch drawn from witnesses who thought they had seen
01:23:22
the I-70 strangler which I think was a fucking sketch of it because Steven's awesome
01:23:26
do do do do do da da da da da ooh the one on the right is the scarecrow from the Wizard of Oz
01:23:35
I don't know I'll miss you most of all scarecrow I don't know if it looks like him, but he's a, that guy's creepy.
01:23:44
Yeah. They were like, just, can you give the worst eyes you've ever looked at? And then a weird pouty lip.
01:23:51
Trust me on this. Very very light mustache And let pluck those eyebrows a little bit Yeah Yeah So so he officially later declared the I killer
01:24:06
Wow. Yeah. So this guy, during the time, during the stretch, during the search of his property, he, Herb
01:24:15
disappears. Herb. Do you know why I did that? And I feel like I was, I knew I was going to do that at some point.
01:24:24
is because when I was a kid, I called herbs, herbs, and my mom yelled at me for it.
01:24:30
So it's a triggering issue. So now I see the word herb, and I'm like, don't fuck that up, but it's herb.
01:24:36
Jesus. So many issues on the table tonight. So many. You would never even, you wouldn't expect it.
01:24:42
We look so normal. So they arrested herb. Herb. So he disappears from the place he's staying out of town when he finds out they're searching his property.
01:24:53
he was at Lake Wawasee in Kosciko County where we'll be touring next then he what
01:25:04
thank you then he enters yes now it's perfectly clear thank you I learned in Oregon not to repeat
01:25:14
the name because I got it wrong again and everyone just yelled it louder do you remember the name of that city?
01:25:21
fuck no It was hard though Very difficult Okay so He is He goes out of town And he goes into Canada on June 30th
01:25:34
He ends up in Grand Bend, Ontario And there at Pinery Park on the evening of July 3rd
01:25:40
Herb writes a suicide note Attributing his decision to kill himself To his failing business
01:25:46
And irreparable marriage But no it doesn't mention the skeletons Or the dead men
01:25:51
No, it's because his marriage sucks. You know what I mean? His final words on the three-page suicide note
01:25:56
said that he would now eat a peanut butter sandwich, which was his favorite snack,
01:26:00
and then go to sleep. He even apologized for messing up the park. Then he put a 375 Magnum,
01:26:09
.375 Magnum, I don't know guns, revolver barrel. I don't know percentages. He put 375 guns into his mouth.
01:26:21
Just to be sure. But he didn't. That's herb. Yeah. He puts it to his forehead. He pulls the trigger.
01:26:31
His body is found eight days later. Yeah. You know it's some hikers going, what's that smell?
01:26:38
It's always, what's that smell from hikers? And what are all those flies doing over there?
01:26:42
Yeah. The evening before he died, a Canadian trooper stopped him to ask him why he was sleeping in his car.
01:26:50
To ask him why the long face. I'm sorry. Hey, why the peanut butter sandwich and the long face?
01:26:56
Quit messing up this part. Before letting him go, she notices some luggage in the back
01:27:04
and what looked like a pile of videotapes in his back seat. But when they find his car, no signs of the videotapes.
01:27:11
They're never recovered. Police suspect he threw them into a river before he went and killed himself.
01:27:17
I hope so. Virgil Vandegrift said, well, these videotapes of the murders he committed, were these the videotapes of the murders he committed in the pool at Fox Hollow Farms?
01:27:27
We'll never know. And perhaps it's for the best. But then. You have to play Virgil Grandin Ruff.
01:27:34
Clearly. Thank you. Okay, really quickly. Then, of course, I fucking looked in the email.
01:27:40
Sorry, you guys, my allergies are weird. You know, the city. Okay. Hey, Georgia and Karen. I started your podcast months ago and been meaning to send you my hometown murder, but I'm so fucking forgetful and lazy I never got around to it until now.
01:27:55
Hey, hi. I'm from a small city of Westfield, Indiana, and have lived here my whole life.
01:28:00
My hometown murder starts when I was around 10, and I used to hang out with my friend about six out of the seven days of a week for the summers I lived there.
01:28:07
I was thrilled to find out that they moved to a beautiful farmhouse about a mile away from where I lived.
01:28:13
No, no, no. Oh no, it's not that. It's totally that. Trick you! Not only because this house was a hop, skip, and a jump away from my house.
01:28:27
I love that. But it was fucking insane. They had acres of land where their newly purchased horses run a giant mountain.
01:28:33
An oddly rememberable indoor pool where we spent most of our time. Oh, really? And what about the ghosts that were there with you?
01:28:41
Well, I never got a creepy or eerie feeling about the house until I was older and started noticing odd things, such as the secret room behind my friend's bathroom mirror.
01:28:52
Say it again. Say it again. What's this you say? I never got a creepy or eerie feeling about the house until I was older and started noticing odd things about the secret room behind my friend's bathroom mirror.
01:29:01
Oh, room behind a mirror? Then you go into the room face first through a mirror?
01:29:08
It just said murder room. face first into them. Or maybe the fact that we found, quote,
01:29:15
animal bones in the backyard. Oh. Oh, no. Our parents freaked out a little more than I thought they would.
01:29:23
But it wasn't until I was watching a local network when I found out that the very house my friend lived in,
01:29:29
Fox Hollow Farms, was previously owned by a circular. My parents obviously knew, but kept it from me because of my age.
01:29:36
Apparently, and then she says, killed them in the indoor swimming pool. I didn't realize.
01:29:41
Don't worry. It doesn't stop there. He continued to burn them in the fire in the fireplace and buried them in the backyard
01:29:48
So he burned them in their fight in his fireplace Which I didn't I didn't find that info anywhere else
01:29:54
It a pretty interesting story if you guys ever have time to read it Which I know you won It says that So negative Yeah Well that all I have Love the podcast If you ever in Indianapolis maybe we can take a tour of the farm
01:30:07
SSDGM, Maddie. That's Herb Baumeister. Baumeister. Way to go, Indianapolis. I mean, that is, there is a ghost hunters or a haunting.
01:30:21
There's an episode of one of those shows, and that's the first time I heard of this story.
01:30:26
And it is such a bummer because everything else is bad. Real time, how it happened.
01:30:32
The fact that it was like just a marginalized group of people who were like, oh, it's not a problem that these men are disappearing.
01:30:39
All those things. The fact that people, you know, these murderers get away with killing people.
01:30:44
And then he gets to just kill himself and never have to deal with any of it. Never talk about it.
01:30:49
Which is so frustrating. then mannequins indoor pools as we've talked about behind the mirror rooms
01:30:54
I mean then on top of it ghosts then you fucking fold some ghost feelings inside there
01:31:02
I want to thank this fucking town because sometimes we'll go to a city and I'm like
01:31:06
I don't know like I've done every Chicago murder I don't know what else to do at this town
01:31:10
I was like oh my god this is it felt like a gift that was given to me I get to tell everybody
01:31:19
about herb. Yeah. Thank you, Indianapolis. So that's, that was amazing. It was so good. Yeah.
01:31:28
Thank you. I didn't mean like that was amazing, Georgia. I just said. We're, even
01:31:34
if you don't clap, we're going to be like, that was fucking incredible and standing
01:31:38
avation worthy. Can I show you? Georgia font. Let's see it. Told you. Oh, that is gorgeous.
01:31:46
Thank you. It's so clear. Thank you. It's so not convoluted like I am. What was in the room behind the mirror?
01:31:57
And why wouldn't you just put a secret door instead of... How do you get into a room that's behind a mirror?
01:32:03
Is there another door besides the mirror? Yeah. Like a full-length fucking mirror in a different room?
01:32:09
Does it have to be mirrors? Are you a warlock of some kind? Is there anyone that knows the answers?
01:32:16
Yeah. Who built that mirror for him? Did they come over and like, sure? Yeah. He was like, it's for my mannequin.
01:32:22
It's my mannequin room. My mannequin asked if he could have a secret room behind the mirror.
01:32:26
And I was like, you know what? It's your birthday. Yes, you get this. And the builder's like, okay.
01:32:31
Yeah. Sounds legit. Great. Let's do it. Here's my bill. Everything's cool. You get to live your life.
01:32:40
Okay, we're back. Are there updates for this story? There are. Nearly three decades after the death of serial killer Herb Baumeister, the victims are still being identified.
01:32:51
As of this year, there are at least 25 victims suspected to have been buried at Fox Hollow.
01:32:56
Twenty five. Twenty five. It's a small town cemetery. Yeah. Wild. More victims were identified in 2023 and 24 thanks to renewed efforts by Hamilton County Coroner Jeff Jellison, who used new DNA technology to identify the thousands of human bones and bone fragments found on Baumeister's property.
01:33:16
This enabled them to identify additional victims, including Alan Livingston, who I mentioned, Manuel Resendez, Jeffrey Allen Jones, who went by Jeff, who was also mentioned.
01:33:26
And then earlier this year, Hulu released a four-part docuseries called The Fox Hollow Murders, Playground of a Serial Killer that Explores a Theory that Baumeister had an Accomplice.
01:33:37
Yeah. And there's actually still a phone number to call to contact the Hamilton County Coroner's Office if you think you need to arrange a DNA sample for a loved one who went missing all the way back then.
01:33:48
And God, I just I still think about his children and I hope they're well. it's so wildly dark and scary and continuing on the idea that they're still investigating in that
01:34:00
way where it's like is this possible that one person could have gotten all this done just
01:34:05
re-approaching it constantly to be like what is the real answer of what happened here at least
01:34:11
they're doing that well you know what it reminds me so much and maybe it's just because i'm reading
01:34:14
a book about it right now and there was just a new documentary about it but the uh dean coral
01:34:18
you know candy man killers same thing where he was dead so they kind of have to uncover all this
01:34:24
information through his accomplices and just whatever information like they're still identifying
01:34:30
bodies it's just like how does it happen yes how does it happen and go on for so long that
01:34:37
then the after effect goes on for i mean per baumeister 30 years they're still working on that
01:34:43
Because it was... Ignored and it was a marginalized group. Right. And it was like, this doesn't matter.
01:34:49
And a wolf in sheep's clothing. It's so gross. Okay. The book is called The Serial Killer's Apprentice.
01:34:55
It's really good. About the Candyman? Yeah. And there's a documentary about it. Okay.
01:34:59
Well, now we have a hometown story from the live show about the barbecue murders from audience members Taylor and Rebecca.
01:35:07
Ooh. Uh-huh. Wow. Yeah. do you think that we have time yes and uh here's the cool part and this is honor system um we've
01:35:22
got a story uh you tweeted at us today or yesterday and i need to hear the story about
01:35:28
the girl who dressed up in her murdered cousin's clothes that's coming out wrong someone put her
01:35:37
into the clothes. Wait, did the girl that's about to come up here dress in her murder?
01:35:41
Let's let her explain it. I see her there. Okay. Come around this way. Come around this way and then army roll, army crawl.
01:35:52
What just happened? Let's bring out our hometown ladies. Where are you? Thank you.
01:36:01
Oh, hi! Thank you. Hi, what's your name? You probably don't need it. Taylor. Taylor?
01:36:06
We don't need all that. And I'm Rebecca. Hi, Rebecca. We don't need it. Do you guys want to get up on this like backup singers?
01:36:11
Yeah. Fun. Here, we can just take the names. Taylor and Rebecca, explain that tweet so that people understand.
01:36:19
What's your name? Noah. Let's give it up for Noah. And this is Noah making it all happen for us, sound-wise.
01:36:25
Thank you. Here, chalk in it. Thanks, Noah. Thank you. Okay. Well, this doesn't work.
01:36:30
Use it anyway. Show business. So I sent the tweet out, but it's her story. Get out of here.
01:36:36
It had to be told. It's too creepy and weird. Are you guys related? No, we work together.
01:36:43
Oh, okay. Yeah. So I actually sent this in as an email, and I was telling Becca about it, and she was like, no, no, no.
01:36:50
No, you have to tell this story. Absolutely. So this actually happened before I was born.
01:36:55
My mom was actually pregnant with me, and I'm from one of those families in, like, southern Indiana who has, like, all of these cousins.
01:37:05
They're not actually cousins. They're just, like, through marriage or, like, your parents are really close friends or whatever.
01:37:10
Yeah. It's easier to say about it. We have that in California, too. It's called having friends.
01:37:15
so um i have i i called them my cousins but um at the time there was jamie who was like four
01:37:26
and sherry lynn who was about a year and a half old and their parents had just gotten divorced
01:37:30
their dad was in the navies and he was stationed in pearl harbor and he got custody of the kids
01:37:36
after the divorce whatever whatever um took the kids off to pearl harbor and one day he was like
01:37:44
sherry lynn's missing she's gone and is she the older one or the younger one she's the younger
01:37:49
one she's like a year and a half old okay and she's like she's gone i don't know what happened
01:37:53
i went out i met this woman i brought her back and then i just noticed that she was gone so like
01:37:59
two days later happened to notice that my children weren't there anymore yeah so two days later they
01:38:05
found a body in pearl harbor in a duffel bag that was just like floating along you know hawaii um
01:38:12
and sherry lynn is inside and so he claims that he doesn't know he doesn't know what's happened
01:38:21
and then this woman comes forward and she was like i was the woman he took home that night
01:38:25
she wouldn't stop crying and he was like oh just ignore the baby this is fine we can you know like
01:38:31
still have our time together yeah let still make out yeah right yeah yeah and she was like no this is like really fucking weird man I don want to like kiss you while your baby crying And so she left And yeah right So what eventually happened is that he got really mad and strangled the baby and was like I don know what to do with this body
01:38:56
So let's just like put it in like a national monument. No one's going to find it.
01:39:00
That's right. And so they it was actually kind of the same thing. Like he was acquitted with like a regular jury, but then like the Navy.
01:39:10
Remember? I don't know what story that was. NCIS. I don't remember. Yeah, NCIS. Yeah.
01:39:14
Mark Harmon doesn't fuck around with stuff like that. He'll come after your ass.
01:39:18
So he went to jail and they're doing this investigation. My mom was like nine and 10,000 months pregnant with me at the time.
01:39:27
And the FBI like bursts into her work and is like, what do you know about this? and she's like, I'm just a little pregnant woman.
01:39:35
I have no clue what you're talking about. Oh, that old story. Yeah, so he ends up going to jail for like 15 years
01:39:41
and when he gets out, the first thing he does is he comes back to Indiana and he visits the grave
01:39:48
and I had like family members who were there at the time and he just like awkwardly walked up and was like, hey guys.
01:39:53
You're like, can you GT out again? Yeah, like this is really awkward. And then he's never been seen again.
01:40:00
And like we, yeah, we've never seen him again. But I had an aunt who kept all of her clothes.
01:40:06
And every year when I had like my pictures at like three, four, five, six. Oh my God.
01:40:10
They put me in her clothes until I was like too big anymore. Why, why, why, why, why?
01:40:16
Who would do that and why? They just get to this age and they're going to have to buy their own clothes now.
01:40:20
And you're like, why? Because she also looks like her. Oh, girl. So there's a set of like two pictures where you can't really tell who's who.
01:40:29
because we're in the same clothes. It's like a V.C. Andrews novel. What the fuck?
01:40:35
Wow, that's fucked up shit. I wish we could put a photo up right now. I know, I wish.
01:40:41
I tried to find one. I emailed my mom yesterday, and she was like, yeah, dude, we don't look at those.
01:40:46
Those are scary. Your mom's like, dude. What is wrong with you? Yeah, exactly. As most of our family does.
01:40:55
Yeah, my family's pretty messed up. Wow, that's a good one. Taylor, you guys Thank you so much
01:41:05
Well done, good job That was awesome Thank you From the dollar store It's shared on the Facebook page
01:41:16
But the little bags from the dollar store That a top secret official report And it talks about a fake arson It like an evidence bag Yeah That fucking cool It looks super cute What inside What my clutch for the night So I have tissues and bobby pins
01:41:30
Can I have a tissue? And look here and get me a tissue. Yeah, Georgia needs those.
01:41:34
Thank you so much. You can actually do it. Awesome. Just one? Oh, okay. Do you have any gum or anything?
01:41:45
Yes, I have cinnamon gum. Oh, yeah, I'll take that whole package. Bye. Thank you.
01:41:53
Nice to meet you. Good job. Thank you so much. I'm not not a hugger. Yeah. Too bad I don't have
01:42:01
pockies. Yeah. Next time. Next time. That was perfect. You guys, that was so awesome.
01:42:09
Thank you so much. Yay. That was good. See, we can make mistakes and then we can make good on them.
01:42:17
And we can steal gum and tissues. We can steal gum and we can have what we want and let people tell the worst story of all time.
01:42:25
And that's what this is all about, is us getting what we want. That's right. Over and over in the most horrible way.
01:42:36
That was a tough hometown. Yeah. Yeah. And there's no updates for the case. so so we have to just move on to the titles even though it feels inappropriate right I mean that's
01:42:48
what happens sometimes when people have their hand up and they want to talk about something
01:42:51
that's what we want them to be able to do if that's what they want yeah and get it out and I
01:42:56
think that's what I do love about our audience is the audience gets exactly what's happening
01:43:01
right and is supportive it's their show it's their show yeah and they're just like yep we're here for
01:43:07
all of it good and bad. Totally. Yeah. It's very meaningful. So this episode was originally titled
01:43:13
Live at the Egyptian Room. If we were naming it today, maybe we would call it I Use Georgia.
01:43:21
I use Georgia. I don't know why that was like such a revelation, like an embarrassing thing to admit.
01:43:25
It was the first time you publicly admitted you used the font Georgia. Of course I do.
01:43:29
So to this day, I still use it. And Molly, our producer, can confirm that I ask for my scripts in Georgia.
01:43:37
I just I like the way it looks. She loves a mirror. Also, there's also too many nouns.
01:43:45
Yeah, always. Which is us being suspicious of Belle Gunness's explanation of her dead husband Peter's accident.
01:43:54
You got to keep it simple. If we've taught people anything over the years. Is that it?
01:43:58
How to lie? how to lie And then of course triflers need not apply Always need that one Yeah it a classic All right well thanks for listening you guys We going to say goodbye from the Egyptian room
01:44:11
Thank you for listening. Yes, goodbye. Thank you so much for being here tonight.
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