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Yeah, every Wednesday we recap our old shows with all new commentary and updates and insights.
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Today we're recapping episode 68, which we named Q&T&A. Hot. This episode is a little different.
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instead of telling each other about a case, we answer listener questions. What a great idea. What a great way to not have to do homework.
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Yes. I mean, Jesus Christ. I feel relieved in the future, listening back to like we were taking care of ourselves.
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This episode came out May 11th on the little baby of 2017, which just happens to also be Karen's birthday.
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Oh, that little baby. So, okay, let's listen to the intro of episode 68. I love that we're traveling on my birthday.
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I know. That's the, that's the, what we give up for this podcast. What if I get the whole plane to sing happy birthday to you?
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I will ache with this podcast. We never talk to you again. You know, that's my sensitivity.
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I cannot in a restaurant have anyone singing a happy birthday, right? No. Okay. Okay.
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Okay. I didn't think so, but I couldn't remember if it was like funny or horrifying for you.
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Well, a plane would be bad. Cause then you just have to sit there like a restaurant.
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What'd you say? I think it would be the best. Cause then expected. Well, so people hate your gut.
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It's like in a restaurant you can join in or not in a plane. Then you're just, you're just trapped with fake fun.
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But like, remember when we were at that restaurant in Portland, the Turkey restaurant and,
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Oh yeah. And someone's saying happy birthday and it was so fun. Yeah. I always sing along.
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Do you sing along? Always. it's always like not i mean i mean like people i don't know it's the most fun it is like you're
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so happy for them yes they have friends or a loved one that they're celebrating that this is a good
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thing we're all in some way glad you're here or then it's just like a couple on a first date you're
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like did one of them make it up to seem fun but it's their birthday and tell them or like and are
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they that pathetic that they have to make up birthdays to be fun or is it a girlfriend who
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just got dumped and her friends with her and she's like you know what you deserve a candle
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I'm going to make you laugh. I'm going to get you free hot fudge. That's how much I love you.
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Hey, this is my favorite murder. We started. We're the true crime podcast that asks the question,
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what if we talk about other stuff? That's the question. Mispronounce things in a weird way.
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It sounds like I'm a... That's her tagline. Hobo. I said it. This is the first podcast episode
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episode slash transmission from the podcast nook of my new apartment. It a loft There wrestling memorabilia everywhere because we watch wrestling Name this place uh we watch murder that this is a we watch what the loft is called yeah that awesome because they
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record here they get they get one wall of murder of podcasting nope where am i wrestling wrestling
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memorabilia and we get one and a half very filled out very full of gifts murderino gifts to us yes
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One of which we just got, and I'm so in love with, it's these like plush pillows, one for each of us.
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This girl got custom made fabric of squirrels and bunnies and foresty stuff. And it's adorable.
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But there's also murder scenes and it's cartoon murder scenes and skulls and bones and like buried bodies.
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Yeah. And strips of material. Let's say stay out of the forest. It looks like, you know, police do not cross line, but it says stay out of the forest.
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And they're amazing. very cute shout out it's called uh she her name is mariah and it's etsy.com and her name is
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kookalamaka kookalamakala what's that i don't know you're right i'm just throwing it out there
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that's right huh it's k-o-o-k-a-l-a-m-a-k-a i hope she's selling these because they're fucking
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incredible and they're like they're like legit well and also they're on this um for all the other
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people who have given us lovely gifts just know they're here they're all they're all around us
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right now somebody um tweeted at me the other way the other day did your lava ball necklace make it
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back from the fox theater which was like first the first leg of the tour way long ago and i would
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like to report to that person yes of course it did um it's not it's not in this loft it's somewhere
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in my kitchen but we all the stuff people give us we ship back and then we like sit in it it's
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It's going to be, once it's all up and I finally dealt with it, it's going to be, this place
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is going to be a fucking hoarder's nightmare of murder. So good. So thanks for those.
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Thank you. Lovely gifts. Oh, so now we have to talk about casting JonBenet. Because you guys were like, I thought you were going to.
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Yeah. So here's what, I'll just do the quick version of the, what happened. we decide what we're going to do is do our first ever live watching podcast recording where together
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George and I watch Casting JonBenet and comment on it as it goes and basically have that kind of
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experience. Hilarity ensues. Wouldn't that be hilarious and fun and just fascinating? Yeah.
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Turns out no. I would say we got well it turned out that Casting JonBenet was not the thing we
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thought it was it was a different thing i would personally say it was a study on the uh strange
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personalities and behavior of actors yeah that's close there was a lot of um the desperation of the
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of show business there were a lot of other things happening besides just the story of john benny ramsey's murder then maybe this will finally be the thing
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that catapults me much like my favorite murder wasn't when we started yes because we never
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uh yeah and it was a lot of opinions of people that i didn't care about their opinions it's
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their opinions seemed super made up yeah and as we all know no one likes to look in the mirror
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right so i was sitting there going you were fucking lady shut your mouth you don't know
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anything about and then I was like oh damn it um so it was not I think we got 15-20 minutes in and
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we just like looked at Stephen we're like turn it off this is not because I couldn't it wasn't
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like I could riff about it yeah it was too weird lots of the things that were happening were visual
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yeah or feel like just bad vibes and we were basically sitting there kind of shitting on
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normal people who are tricked into being in this documentary I think in the beginning when we
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didn't realize what it was we were like this is funny and it's good and like we were being really
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funny and riffy and then it got kind of sad and then we just i realized we had both been sitting
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there in silence for five minutes yeah i was like this isn't what do we do for this week's episode
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because this isn't fucking it and so we put up a live one of our favorite live episodes one of our
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favorites that people had been asking for and we're gonna put out anyways we've we've built in
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a security system so that we can take artistic chances um but that was not one we should have
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ever. This week is one we're going to take and I feel like it's going to go well. This is a
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good one. Stephen, was this your idea? The Q&A episode? Yes. I think it was we all like... Was it Georgia?
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I'm sorry. No, no, no. Such a brat. I did it. The look on your face when I just looked over at you right now, you were just like, ooh.
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I hate myself. Why do I? Just let everyone have it. We can all enjoy it. You don't think I do
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that all day long? That's all anyone... If you think of good ideas, you want credit for it.
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Such a fucking know-it-all. Sorry. It was George's idea. Thank you, Stephen. Stephen's cheeks are all red, and now he feels a deep shame for something.
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It was actually Stephen's idea, and I, like, stole it. Did you steal it? No, I...
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Stephen? No, you're good. Thank you. Stephen, let her off the hook. What were you going to say?
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Oh, I was just going to say, yeah, Q&A. It's going to be good. You are correct in your A.
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The Q is... Never mind. Go on. Well, I was just going to say, did you have something to say about JonBenet?
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Looked like you were going to pick up the mic. Oh, I was going to say we ended up watching like 45 minutes of it.
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Oh, my God. So if you want to pay $1,000 to listen to that, give it to charity. We don't need it.
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But you can't. Also, you know, you're not allowed to. We won't tell you what charity it is.
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You're such a marketer. You're such a like, how do we take this thing and turn it into?
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I love it. I'm a know-it-all and I'm a fucking marketer. I'm a know-it-all. I'm a non-marketer.
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So pick one. I mean, there's all these lanes we can be in. But here's the thing.
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Know-it-alls, it's because we have experience being right. And so it's, you know what I mean?
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You know why? It because we actually know it all Everything I mean If there anything this podcast has proven is that we know everything We know everything Down to
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Science. Someone tweeted and said, please make sure people understand that it is important to give resuscitation.
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It was something where it was a person who had a lot of experience. It was just like, you've basically told people they don't have to give...
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Oh my god. Yeah, artificial respiration or whatever any of that is. She was like, there's a thing on the wall now when you just pull it off.
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Don't worry about it. You can pull the thing off the wall. There's a woman like, please no.
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That's not true at all. There's a blowhorn on the wall. If you just ram it in their face and blowhorn in their face, they're fine.
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You don't have to give CPR. You don't have to know CPR anymore. No. Congratulations.
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Yeah. Okay, so, but something came out of the JonBenet episode. Yes, that's right.
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Because we did take the time at the beginning to reveal each other's tramp stamps to each other.
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Which we promised. Yes. Thank God Karen remembered that. Yeah. So we're actually going to play.
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That was real time. Yeah. We're going to play that back for you. We're not going to recreate it.
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Yeah. So we're going to play you our reveal that we promised you of our tramp stamps.
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Go. Quickly tell everyone how and why and where and under what conditions you got your tramp stamp.
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Go. Oh, yeah. I had my heart broken really bad for like the first big time ever.
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I was like 19 and it was like ripped from my fucking chest. And I just needed a distraction so badly.
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I was so sad that I was just like, I'm getting a fucking tattoo. So I had my friend.
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Perfect solution. You know what I mean? I was just like, I need something else to fucking focus on.
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So I had my friend who had a bunch of tattoos take me to the tattoo artist in Orange County that he went to who ended up sucking.
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Yeah. And I got hearts on both my upper flanks. You use the word flank, which is great and perfect.
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You can see that in your mind. Absolutely. So it's two red hearts with a black little outline on them.
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They're cute. Yeah. It's almost like you accessorized yourself permanently. Yeah.
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Yeah. I don't mind them. I never see them. I forget they're there. And it totally worked.
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It totally distracted me. Yeah, that's great. Guys, get a tattoo if you're sad. Yeah.
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Perfect. What about you? I just have a salmon. That's so weird. I just have a picture of a salmon.
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Is it like a filet of salmon on a plate with like some parsley on it? It's some delicious braised salmon.
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It actually looks exactly like the sticker on the back of a fisherman's truck cab.
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You know those? Yeah. It's like, oh, here, I like fishing these specific kind of fish.
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It's based on that picture. Is it color? No. Okay. Why did you get that? alcoholism.
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Why a salmon? I've told this story before, but the original plan was we were going to get Pog Mahone tattooed on our asses.
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It was me and my two other friends. What's that? That's Gaelic for kiss my ass. We were drunk. We thought it would be very funny
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to get that tattooed on our ass. We went to the tattoo parlor on Sunset. That's not there anymore.
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When we told the guy that was the plan, he refused to do it. He said it would look terrible.
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The words would have to be too big. Thank fucking God for him. But then my friends who also already had tattoos had backup, like plan B's immediately.
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Right. And I was just standing there still totally drunk and like, I don't know.
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And so I did like a thing that I thought would be kind of funny or like, I can't really explain it.
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It's just the perfect symbol of how I did everything in the 90s. It's almost like a, it's a fuck it tattoo.
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Yeah. It's a who fucking cares about life tattoo. It's a permanent fuck it, which is what's stupid about it.
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Well, it's on your back. Who sees it? Nobody. Not me. I mean, when you're walking away.
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Not me. Not me. Um, I love the fact that you hate fish. Yeah. I can't eat it. You can't eat fish.
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Can't eat it. All right. Steven, look away. We're going to show each other our tramp stamps.
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Can I, Karen, show me your salmon. It's not going to be good. Your salmon tail. It's not a whale tail.
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Let's see. Oh, wow. It's actually done really well. Is it? It's really light too.
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Yes. It's like a shade. It's well shaded. I was expecting like a cartoon outline of it.
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Oh, no. No, no, no. It's actually done really well. It's not as big as I thought it would be.
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He's wearing glasses. Yeah, he's got a cigar in his mouth. For me, it feels humongous, like the size of a palm of my hand.
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And honestly, and I'm not just, you don't need to do this, but if you wanted to get that removed, I bet it would take just a few sessions.
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I bet it would. It's not that. It just looks almost like veins, like strangely placed veins right now.
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It's really light. Okay, let's see yours. You're right. Mine isn't. And if I ever want to get removed, I just have to cut my flanks off.
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Oh, at least you have flanks. Yeah. Talk about mud flaps. Oh, America. I wish you could see what I'm seeing right now.
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Kind of cute, right? It's such a 19 year old Georgia move. It's so good. I mean, it looks like two Mrs. Grossman stickers on either side of the above of your butt cheeks.
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That's so funny. Fuck it, man. Just kind of classic. Yeah, fuck it. Adrian, thank you for breaking my heart.
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Thank you for having a girlfriend the whole time you were dating me. Oh, Adrian.
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Thank you for ghosting me. Adrian, what did you think was going to happen? And also, do you still feel that now, that human impact hangover that you left?
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Yeah. Do you feel it? We're friends on Facebook. Ugh. I know. That's why I can't be on Facebook.
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I'm so much better than him. Now, I'm one. And you got the hearts to prove it. i got the fucking hearts to prove it the broken hearts and the butt hearts the heart of your butt
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you know yeah so that's tattoo okay we just had to we had to get that cleared up before we could
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give our full attention we can't keep talking about it and then not do it that's exactly right okay
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ah i remember remember uh and then so something did come out good of yeah we learned a little more about each other We just building that bridge of love If you had to get another tattoo what would it be Your face Next to the salmon
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On the salmon. You're the salmon's birthmark, and it's all fate. It's like God's.
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Close up look. God's own salmon. I mean, I feel like obligated to get a stay sexy, don't get murdered tattoo.
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You do. I do. But then what if it all goes to shit? And I'm like reminded every day that like this ended in a fire.
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well you'll be reminded every day anyway so you might as well like true make it look like you have
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some sort of sense of humor about it it's true you can't or and then i can't if i get stay sexy
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don't get murdered when it all goes to shit i can write i didn't stay sexy they're all so they're
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so adjustable tattoos there's nothing more flexible than a tattoo um oh and then oh i wanted to read
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a corrections corner email yeah right yeah all right guess what i was wrong about stuff
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this is georgia by the way uh this is from how do you say that name let's see shaloa it's got to be better than shiloh
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shit you're right how come i can't put letters and they're correct you because you panic i have
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panicked dyslexia is that don't you think like the second you look at it and it's not immediately
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recognizable you're like you're gonna get it wrong and then you don't let yourself i also
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don't think that then i do want to say that the name siobhan the spelling is not fair i think i've
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said that before anyways you the irish name siobhan yeah no it's in spelling it looks like
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siobhan it's not fair it's insanity but that's gaelic that's like a whole different language
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as someone who can't read things it's not fair okay yeah that one's not fair first of all i
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wanted to thank you for shelly for sharing my trees's tragic story that's a couple episodes
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back that's my trees richardson a really great not great but a horrible story that's important
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okay anyways i think it's incredibly important for the public to be aware of such mishaps and
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encourage law enforcement entities to learn from these tragedies. Both of the agencies mentioned in your story have been around for a long time and have both
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wonderful triumphs and shameful pieces to their history. My correction is to bring awareness that the LAPD and the LA County Sheriff's Department
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are not the same thing. Both are two enormous departments within the county of Los Angeles and lots of people think
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that they are synonyms for each other. However, when referring to specific cases, especially when there was neglect or misuse of powers, it's important to hold the correct agency accountable.
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In your retelling of the story, you actually referred to both. However, this was entirely the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department case.
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LAPD was not involved whatsoever. Thank you, Stephen, for taking the time to read this.
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I only made the correction because I know that you have such a large audience and don't think that incorrect information, especially in such a turbulent social and political climate towards law enforcement, should be perpetuated.
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True. A small additional correction. A law enforcement officer is never trained to shoot someone simply to injure them.
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For instance, hit them in the shoulder or the leg, said Georgia. He didn't write that.
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Or she didn't write that. I said that. There are other tools at their disposal for less than lethal force, and the firearms only
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meant for one purpose. Wow. Interesting. If I can ever be of any help on any of these topics, please feel free to reach out.
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I think we needed this person in an entire episode. Yes, for sure. I am a forensic psychologist with a research background in police psychology, and I also
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have law enforcement experience. Keep up the amazing work, ladies. I love all that you do.
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Shiloh. Shiloh. Wow. Thank you so much for that email. I mean, listen. You know what's embarrassing to me about that email is I have, as I've mentioned several
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times, a lot of relatives in the San Francisco Police Department. Right. But I also have had relatives that are sheriffs.
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So I feel like if anyone should have known that very big difference, I should have at
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least said something. Should be the comedy writer? No. Why would you know that? I don't know.
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I just feel like that's something I kind of know back in the back of my mind. But I think it's because they were they do it in different areas.
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So like if you were to tell me they were synonymous, I would have been like, oh, yeah, that makes sense to me.
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That was a perfect email of telling us why we were wrong. And also information that we do really need to.
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Yeah, I'm so happy to get those in the same way that when we were told that you don't say prostitute, you say sex worker.
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We have just completely tried never to do that again. And I fucking correct people all the time in the most cocky way.
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actually dad i corrected my dad the other day don't you feel like there's nothing better
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there's nothing more quickly that you do that with new information then turn around and use
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it on somebody else like that's my favorite thing oh the second i'm gonna the second somebody says
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anything about the sheriff and the lapd i'm gonna be like i i'm sorry excuse me i don't mean to
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interrupt your dinner those are two different entities they're not synonymous and do i use
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that word um and it's because we know everything yes even even until we learn it and then from
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there on but then yeah but then we still know it and time is a flat circle so last week when we we played our live episode from indianapolis is that right and karen's
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fucking fabulous murder what was her name belganus belganus had a fucking thing in the newspaper
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asking for her husband that she was going to murder. And it said at the end, triflers need not apply.
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And we said to you guys at the show, that's our next shirt. And guess what? It is.
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Yep. Let's do birthday corner. Oh, go to myfavoritemurdershirts.com. I'm all over the place.
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I love it. Karen. Yes. When this comes out. It will be my birthday. God willing, when this comes out.
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I could be dead soon. That's true. I was thinking more that the entire world will implode and there
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In two days? No way. Off the grid, the grid will be down. That's going to take at least four more months.
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I'd say four days. So when this comes out on Thursday... Let's see, wait. Two days.
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Two days, the grid won't go down. Friday, we're fucked. But on Thursday, happy birthday.
00:24:18
Thank you kindly. I'm so excited for you. We're going to be on tour. Yep. It's a dream birthday.
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I get to be in a hotel room, which I love. I get to go do shows for our fans, which is the most fun.
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The biggest like ego boost, the most, the best way to make a living. Oh, I thought you were being sarcastic about the hotel room.
00:24:38
No, I could live in hotel rooms. There's nothing I love more. I thought you were going to get like real dark and deep of like, I'm going to be alone.
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No. I'm going to be alone. I was like, Vince and I will take you to dinner. I was like, how much do you want to be the couple that's like, no, you just make out the whole time.
00:24:54
Anyway, you guys, what TV shows do you like? I wish we had a show on your birthday.
00:25:01
That would be so fun. Just travel. The best part about touring. Can I bring you a donut on stage on Friday at the DC show?
00:25:13
Whichever one's first. Or do you not want a whole audience singing happy birthday to you?
00:25:16
You probably do. Oh, I absolutely demand it. Okay, great. Steven, what were you going to say?
00:25:20
Happy birthday? Yeah, just happy birthday. Thank you, Steven. I'm pretty excited. I mean, at my age, you stop caring about birthdays. And I know that people
00:25:28
say that it's a real mom thing to say while you throw a dish towel over your shoulder.
00:25:32
But you really just, you know, I think at 23, you stop caring about birthdays unless you're really
00:25:37
just unless you're really looking for something. Yeah. Okay, we're back. We are back. Any changes in the way you feel about birthdays since 2017?
00:25:50
I feel like any previous stance I had was deeply affected by COVID and quarantine. So any of that kind of like sour pussy, like it doesn't matter, whatever is like, I feel like in quarantine, I really had a lot of those dark nights of the soul of what if I never get to be with like eight friends in a room again?
00:26:12
And what if there's no more game night ever? Like that idea was very upsetting to me.
00:26:17
So I think I'm trying to be better about like making plans, even though it seems like a
00:26:22
whole nother job to throw a party. I've always been very firm on this thing where I have a lot of friends who don't like to
00:26:29
celebrate their birthday. They don't want to do a party. They don't want to do a thing.
00:26:32
And I always tell them it's not for you. Everyone is lonely and they need a reason to go somewhere and talk to people.
00:26:38
You're doing them a favor by letting them celebrate. Yeah. You turning 47 or whatever the fuck. That's so nice. They need a reason. Let it be you. I know it's hard. Yeah. You know what? That's such a good, that would completely work on me. And also I think maybe sometimes the people who say I don't care about my birthday, are they just the people who are like, what's that thing where you have decision fatigue or whatever? They're just like overwhelmed and they're like, I wouldn't know where to start. I don't know how to please everybody at once.
00:27:07
Oh my God, pick a bar and go to it. Literally. Pick a bar and pick a time and you're set.
00:27:13
And an outfit and you're fucking done. You just have to show up and you get to leave whenever you want. It's your birthday. You get to do whatever you want.
00:27:19
Everyone buys you drinks the whole time. Totally. Chit chatting away. You're so right about that people need to hang out. So they're like, everyone's excited for anyone's birthday because it's like, yes, give me a chance.
00:27:30
I just realized, though, that philosophy of it's not for you, it's for everyone else and let them is also the same philosophy I have about funerals.
00:27:40
You know what? They're very similar situations. It's not for you. It's not about you.
00:27:44
It's about everyone else mourning. Not you. It's not you and you don't get to decide.
00:27:50
Yeah, exactly. It's very deep. I was surprised that this was the first episode from the Podloft.
00:27:55
I thought we already did. Doesn't that feel late? Yeah. But no, but I guess not.
00:27:59
But I guess not. What is that? A year since we started? Over a year since we started.
00:28:05
Yeah. I guess it feels like so much more because so much happened. I think we finally signed some kind of contract that gave us some cash money.
00:28:15
Yeah. And I could afford a deposit on an apartment. On a fancy high ceiling department.
00:28:21
Yeah. With a fucking dishwasher. Yeah. And some delicious cold coffee anytime, day or night.
00:28:27
Oh, I have bad news. I have to tell you. Oh, no. Gus the Jacuzzi cat has gone up to the great Jacuzzi in the sky to hang out with Elvis.
00:28:38
Oh, R.I.P. Gus. I know. And George, they're all chilling around a Jacuzzi together, smoking fucking cigars.
00:28:46
George would be trying to kill those cats with every fiber of her being. No, she wouldn't. I refuse.
00:28:52
She was a very unfriendly desert dog that didn't even want to be in my house. she was not a friend to animals at all that's so funny like maybe she chilled out in heaven though
00:29:05
maybe she like everything she felt safe again yeah exactly you can put down whatever it is
00:29:11
you've been carrying yeah all your trauma from out in Hemet let it go it's okay little meth dog
00:29:18
oh and we reveal to each other that we both have tramp stamps right that was an epic moment that
00:29:24
a turning point in this podcast is like, I think so. No, we're stuck together. Yeah. This is like
00:29:29
a disgusting, a disgusting DNA reveal that we're actually like, we actually are related or something.
00:29:35
Our tramp stamps were synced. And it was like, well, now our white trash got synced up. And we're
00:29:40
just like, yeah, we're stuck. Hey, permanent fuck up. What's going on? We did. We've dedicated it.
00:29:50
We've tattooed it onto ourselves. Yeah, we touched tramp stamps in an hour. We did like a blood you know what it called A blood pact A blood pact in tramp stamps And then we reverse the luck We reverse the flunking out of every school
00:30:05
The only way to turn back into each other, ourselves, it's like Freaky Friday this whole time,
00:30:09
is to touch tramp stamps again. And fucking wrap this podcast up. That's right. Come over right now, please.
00:30:16
Get over here. Please. Yeah. Yeah, that was great. Oh, and also talking about being on the road.
00:30:21
I know. And we're fucking doing three cities a weekend. I know. Yes. That was our first tour, first real tour, right? And we're doing like drive to the next city, stop at a fucking Burger King or Waffle House if you're lucky.
00:30:36
Yeah. I just remember an Arby's stop once at the end of a weekend and I was just like, I can't. I love Arby's, but I fucking can't be more constipated right now than I already am.
00:30:48
I always think about how much I used to get at Starbucks in the morning because I'm like, as this day goes by, it's just going to be less and less all day.
00:30:55
So like, I'll get this for later. And maybe if I eat these three things, I won't be hungry until five.
00:31:01
And I won't need to eat, drink coffee from the fucking stop and come or come and go, whatever the fuck it's called.
00:31:07
Road life. It just makes me think of that. We were at a hotel that was, I'd say, mid range.
00:31:14
Yeah. But at least it had room service like all 24 hours. And I got a bowl of mac and cheese and they sprinkled goldfish on the top.
00:31:22
And I was like, this is a new low. You literally reminded me that when we got home from this tour, I said to Vince, let's start doing nice hotels, OK?
00:31:31
Because he was booking all the hotels, you know, and I'm like, we were being frugal because we didn't have the money.
00:31:36
And then I was like, you know what, if we're going to do this, we're going to stay at four stars and up, OK?
00:31:42
Yes. Well, you know what? That reminds me of, do you remember that hotel? And we've talked about it several times, but that hotel in wherever we were, Palm Beach or Miami or somewhere.
00:31:53
Yes, I was thinking of the Miami. And it literally smelled like we were inside of a pool.
00:31:57
Like it smelled like chlorine the entire hotel. I felt like that was one of the other breaking moments of like no more convenience hotels, no more mid-range hotels.
00:32:08
Like we have to be able to go somewhere and rejuvenate. Right. It has to feel like a treat to get back to the room.
00:32:16
That's really key. Exactly. Because it's enough work. Every other part of it is work.
00:32:21
It is. And that has become like one of the things I look forward to in tour from then and now
00:32:28
is like the nice hotels have nice fucking restaurants. So like, that's like one of the things that keeps me going is like making a reservation
00:32:35
at the hotel's restaurant and looking at their fucking room service menu and looking at the
00:32:41
amenities. and do they have like the last hotel we just stayed at had a infrared light sauna in the gym
00:32:47
did you go into it yeah i fucking went into it infrared light sauna like those are that's the
00:32:52
fucking top tier of like of like wellness in my mind yes that's great yeah i totally went in it
00:32:59
in my like underwear but don't tell anyone i'm gonna have to call the hotel on you i'm sorry
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Okay, great. That was our new idea of questions. My, my... It's a Q&A episode, everybody.
00:36:34
Get ready. Did you make any kind of keyboard music for the Q&A episode? Oh, Steven.
00:36:39
I got two days. Yes. Can you, do you think you lay in like keyboard exciting music?
00:36:45
Well, I just saw Guy Branum. So I'm thinking about, you know, talk show game show.
00:36:49
So I got to... Yes. Okay. Let's pause right here for Steven and put his, his music in.
00:36:53
Q&A music. oh my god steven that was amazing it's all teed up now just a baby screaming just a jeopardy theme
00:37:12
oh that's really good with a baby screaming over it that's perfect there um so here's some stats
00:37:20
400 emails in 3.5 days. Wow. And yeah, that's the only stat, I guess. And the other stat is
00:37:30
that's the only stat. So the first question I thought would be the most interesting
00:37:34
is who thought of the name My Favorite Murder and what were the... Oh, Jessica asked this.
00:37:40
And what were the other name alternatives? Oh, never any other alternatives. It came out real fast.
00:37:46
From how I remember it, uh, I was, I believe we were on the phone. No, we were, I thought we were at cafe one
00:37:55
on one in a booth. Oh, that's very possible. You mean at our, like that four hour, one
00:38:00
of our, I think it was the one where I finally was like, can we make this a podcast? And I
00:38:06
was like, meet me here. We're doing this. Okay. And then we, we like slowly came up
00:38:11
with the idea. Not slowly. I think it was like pretty rapid fire. It was pretty fast.
00:38:15
And then I think I went to pee and came back and you were like, what about this?
00:38:21
Yeah. And then I was like, yes. And that was it. Yeah. There was never any. I remember the notebook I brought and I recently went to find the page of like notes I took
00:38:31
and like what we could do. And there wasn't any because it was just like, OK, let's do that.
00:38:35
Yes. I just remember you came out with the it was like it was your idea to do it.
00:38:41
And then it was you brought the hometown murder idea. so it was almost like it just went it was like watching something lay out in front of you where
00:38:48
you're just like oh yeah this um i remember i remember pitching that but i for some reason i
00:38:55
remember being on the phone but then i also remember absolutely could have been i mean who
00:38:59
know i really i would never argue it but i do remember that night going home and because i was
00:39:05
i think i said verbally to you what if we'd had like a a kind of a dark uh true detective style
00:39:11
theme. And then I went home just to I just sat in my TV room and did what is now the actual theme.
00:39:17
One one take. It was a one take kind of example. It was supposed to be an example. That's why the
00:39:22
sound is so bad on it. I wonder if we still have the text. I still have the I still have the recording
00:39:27
you sent me because it's in all the texts on on your iPhone. Yeah. But I just want it's got to be
00:39:32
in there somewhere of like, how's the song? And I think I was like, great, let's do it. Yeah. I
00:39:35
think you recorded it after we recorded our first episode. Yes, that's right. Because the first one
00:39:40
didn't have anything right i don't know i think the first one we just needed to put it oh we put
00:39:45
it opening yeah all right is this interesting i don't know are you interested i'm interested i
00:39:52
guess i am this is fun and do you know what i love talking about ourselves totally you know what this podcast is talking about ourselves yes we're talking about other
00:40:01
stuff yeah um if if you switch bodies freaky this is from melissa yeah if you switch bodies
00:40:08
Freaky Friday style for one day, what would you do as the other person? I would touch my big boobs.
00:40:13
I'm not kidding. I'm sorry I'm touching your boobs. I just immediately was like,
00:40:20
I'd have big boobs. I would start off with your most insane outfit, like your most extreme vintage dress.
00:40:32
I know which one it is. Pre-breakfast. And I would change my clothes 25 times that that day because I have so many clothes because you have so many outfits and you have
00:40:41
so many combinations and Georgia's this thing I call I have one shirt I call it my meeting shirt
00:40:46
and every time we George and I have a meeting together I show up in the same shirt Georgia a
00:40:50
lot of meetings lately too so it's kind of been like it's pretty hilarious and I'm like I am like
00:40:54
what am I gonna wait yep and I'm like should I leave now I'm already 50 minutes late um but then
00:41:01
Georgia rolls up in clothes that I'm like I remember people wearing that in 1982 like these
00:41:06
outfits that are so rad and perfect. Thank you. I would do outfits. I have a shopping addiction.
00:41:12
It's a problem. No, but I did show up to therapy today and like my favorite like sweater and my
00:41:16
therapist almost started crying because she was like, I had that when I was in elementary school.
00:41:23
You have so many clothes that I had in elementary school. It's hilarious. That means a lot to me. I love dressing. I love outfits. This is what happens when all you have
00:41:32
as hand-me-downs when you're a kid from like boys like your older cousin boy cousins you become a
00:41:37
shopaholic and then just have all the clothes yeah and the cutest dresses thank you I touch my boobs
00:41:42
still I would oh you know what I would do too I would have cleavage that I I'd learn what it was
00:41:51
like for someone to talk at my boobs you know how like girls are like he just stared right at my
00:41:54
boobs when he like that never happened to me I think when you have big boobs well it just depends on the kind of person you are but I been the person that been like you know these are not the droids you looking for
00:42:07
I'm sorry to objectify you. No, it's okay. I'm sorry if I'm making you uncomfortable.
00:42:12
It's okay. I'm so Catholic. I've had like most basically an A cup my entire life.
00:42:17
I've always wanted to be the kind of girl that like, oh, it's a special party. I'm going to put on I'm going to get put a push up bra on and put on like this dress but my boobs
00:42:26
like in that scenario it looks rated x it's like it looks it looks it looks like it's not for public
00:42:35
consumption I also have like a sadness around showing too much skin or it's like why do I have
00:42:41
to do this in society like I get I definitely when I'll try to wear a low-cut shirt I get sad
00:42:45
yeah you know what I mean like you feel like you feel like you have to yeah like I feel objectified
00:42:51
like I'm doing to you right now. Congratulations. It's fun when your friend does it though.
00:42:54
Okay. It is, right? It's a compliment. So this is a question that we got from a lot of people,
00:43:00
but I had a question about it because isn't the first episode technically your favorite murders?
00:43:06
JonBenet and the Sacramento's East Area Rapist. Oh. Are those technically your favorite murders?
00:43:12
We get asked that a lot when it's like, what is your favorite murder? And I just don't think there's an answer.
00:43:17
No. So then my question is, has that changed since you've started doing this podcast?
00:43:24
Has what you would consider your favorites, has it changed at all since you started?
00:43:30
I would say it has changed because to me, it's the murder story. The best thing that lays out as a story is become my favorite.
00:43:43
because when it's like a person that's um say it's just like they killed a bunch of people in
00:43:49
one day at the end like it's hard to make that have legs or be you know like you have to do a
00:43:54
bunch of other research to pull that out in any way like there's a lot of murders people like i
00:43:58
wish you would do this that we just can't because there's not it's just this sad short story of
00:44:03
and there's no conclusion to it or like i've we've talked about this a couple times and there's been
00:44:07
a couple people that tweeted but the georgia moses story who is the other little 12 year old
00:44:11
girl who was murdered in my hometown who is black and so she was basically the like the uh it's the
00:44:19
opposite of poly class where poly class it was a national news story and nobody's ever heard of
00:44:24
georgia moses and when i went i told people i would do that story and when i went to research it
00:44:29
every single part of it is so depressing she was so abandoned and not taken care of and this the
00:44:37
you know not supported in any way and no one helped her no adults in her life seemed to help
00:44:43
her she was such a it's just a sad story that like I you know it's that kind of thing where
00:44:50
then I just I kind of avoid it because it's like how do I present this in a way that doesn't want
00:44:54
to make you just cry at the end yeah I think the word favorite is so I I just I love I love the
00:45:02
stories and the mysteries and the horrific circumstances behind it in a way that means
00:45:09
I fucking hate it so much that it makes me angry. Yeah. So that's what you I mean, it's just so hard to be like, Jean Benet is my favorite.
00:45:16
Jean Benet is really interesting to me because I think that it's so diabolical and insane.
00:45:21
And then I just I don't know. There's no there's too many categories. Yeah, I think to really pick one and to also I've answered that question differently every
00:45:29
time we've been asked it. Me too. And then we get asked, what was your first one that you were interested in?
00:45:34
For me, it changes all the time. We're like, I'll remember a new one and be like, oh yeah, I love that.
00:45:39
I just remember this morning that when I was 13, Jane's Addiction was my favorite band in the world.
00:45:44
And I just remembered they had a song called Ted Just Admit It that was about Ted Bundy,
00:45:48
which made me look, who the fuck is Ted Bundy? And made me look into it. It's just like, what was your first?
00:45:55
I don't know, what's your favorite? Yeah, it's hard to remember those. like there everybody has a million defining moments or a million like it I mean like mine
00:46:04
isn't even really a murder I just remember how excited I got when I went to check out
00:46:08
the Amityville horror book and my grammar school librarian sister Rita Rose who was
00:46:12
the oldest nun in the game in the world still wearing a habit and she had like gnarled old
00:46:18
fingers she looked like a character from a Stephen King novel oh my god and I went to check that book
00:46:23
out and she was so angry at me but I was like it's in the school library like it's not my fault
00:46:27
yeah um and i also checked it out multiple times but that was like a god i wonder if someone went
00:46:33
to that school right now and found that book and karen kilgariff's little name took a photo of it
00:46:38
someone please go do that but i mean you know being that it's my birthday we'll just say it
00:46:43
was fucking over 30 years ago isn't that insane it was so long ago i bet it's still there they
00:46:48
don't rip those card catalog dewey decimal shit out of the books i wonder that's facing it i can
00:46:54
get my friend Katie to go look because she works there. Katie, do it. Go do it. Uh, what was it?
00:46:59
I'm sorry. What was the question? I think we're just done. That was great. Great. Uh,
00:47:03
sorry. Mary Ecke. I don't Mary with E key. E K E S. What's the burst, the best worst reaction
00:47:15
that you've gotten from somebody, uh, who doesn't share your love of true crime?
00:47:20
well i mean there are those social media messages we get where it's like woman of satan i'll kill you or things like that that we just immediately delete and report and
00:47:34
don't pay attention to you know what i did which i know is a mistake but it ended up making me feel
00:47:38
really good is i read the comments on a thing we were in we were on the washington post we had an
00:47:45
interview and and which was so incredible and this past weekend and it was amazing and
00:47:51
it's like legit and my mom went exclamation mark and I told her about it and there were
00:47:56
I started reading the comments and there were all these people of like how dare they
00:48:00
say this and that and every single one was was commented on by a fucking murderino very eloquently
00:48:07
telling them why they were incorrect and why it was actually good and not in a dick way and it was
00:48:12
just like we don't need we don't need to respond to those things because everyone's everyone's
00:48:18
are there are bullies for us right and also the people that that stance of like the how dare you
00:48:26
stance, do you write to Keith Morrison and say, how dare you for reporting the murders
00:48:32
that you do in a salacious way on 2020 or whatever? You know what I mean? Like it's, are you bringing this to other people's doors?
00:48:39
I bet they're not. I bet they are. Keith, call us. Let us know. Can you come hang out with us?
00:48:44
You're the only one that could answer that question. Scotty asks, how much money would you have to be paid to hitchhike across the country?
00:48:51
Is that Scotty Landis? I bet it is. I think it was. Oh, no. Scotty's like, because I want to take you on a hitchhiking
00:48:57
and I want to, he's a producer, he's like that's my new show pitch for you guys The new hitchhiking show, where it shows real time
00:49:03
how killed we get And Scotty doesn't intervene when we're actually getting killed
00:49:06
He just keeps smiling Great, this is going to be a hit TV show I don't need money
00:49:13
Are we together? I don't need money I think you can set the terms of it Oh no, you have to be alone
00:49:20
and it has to be tonight We leave tonight and we have to do it alone no no so then but the well the monetary answer then would be
00:49:29
i would it minimum six million dollars i was gonna say a million god i'm cheap um i'm a cheap kill
00:49:35
yeah you gotta get that money up there what if karen you had to say you had to accept every ride
00:49:41
that stopped like you couldn't be like no pass you had well then money would matter because i
00:49:44
would definitely be dead i mean right like oh my god what but also i don't think people pick up
00:49:50
hitchhikers anymore. No, I think well, but if you're a girl, I think it's true. But if you're
00:49:55
murderable, that's different. I mean, I think me and my big tits are pretty murderable.
00:50:02
And I would definitely be wearing a V neck t shirt. Six million. Six million for Karen a million for me because I have a cuts.
00:50:09
I'm cheaper. Also, I just hate the idea of having to get into other people's cars.
00:50:14
Like, you know, when you get like, like at festivals, you get picked up by some kid.
00:50:18
it's his car and he's got weird shit hanging from the rear view mirror and stuff like that it's it's
00:50:23
not like that's a dream even when they don't want to kill you much less than when you're also feeling
00:50:29
like you're in danger i had an uber the other day that it smelled like he had put his infected feet
00:50:35
on every surface of the uber on purpose did i already tell you this no on purpose that he had
00:50:43
like singing a fucking nursery rhyme touched every oh anyways um well but worse than that for me
00:50:51
was why i kind of stopped taking umbers after a while is because the cologne or whatever was
00:50:56
happening where they were using either uh air freshener or it was cologne but i would roll the
00:51:01
windows and i'd be like the middle of the night they'd be like well are you are you hot what's do
00:51:05
you need me to turn on the air conditioner just be like i can't breathe stop it you and your axe
00:51:08
body spray are bumming me out. I don't. It's too much. It's a lot. Okay. Did we answer?
00:51:14
Thanks, Scotty Landis, for playing ball. Since starting My Favorite Murder, has anyone who's... Oh, this is from Deborah.
00:51:22
I keep forgetting to put the names. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Since starting My Favorite Murder, has anyone who has been in your life
00:51:29
for a long time told you a story that you never would have known if it wasn't for the podcast?
00:51:32
Everyone. For sure. Everyone. Or they mentioned it and now they tell you more details.
00:51:38
Or they remember another one and they're like, oh, yeah. Yes. Definitely. That's definitely happened.
00:51:43
And it's not weird when you ask them for more details. Right. Well, the best example is my cousins texting me on, was it Thanksgiving or Christmas, to
00:51:55
tell me that my cousin Marty, who is now a retired San Francisco policeman, was there
00:51:59
and found the fingerprint that broke the Night Stalker case. Amazing. And they put it together over there because my cousins listen.
00:52:07
Why would they ever tell you that? yes and he was like i was yelling at him because i was like how could you not he was like i don't
00:52:13
think anybody ever wants to talk about that bring that up with your random cousin that you see once
00:52:18
every year hey you know what i did i i have i just remember i'd say that the other day like two
00:52:24
weekends ago i was with my family having lunch and because of the you know we were talking about
00:52:30
the podcast and my uncle who i i see once every three years or something was like oh yeah i uh
00:52:37
I rented out my apartment to a mass murderer. And I, I was like, I'm sorry. Like,
00:52:44
and he and I don't, you know, he's, we don't really connect. And then we went and I was like,
00:52:49
tell me everything. And I have it on my phone recorded. Do you remember the name?
00:52:53
Of my cut of my uncle? No. Yes. I have it recorded and I feel like I should save it.
00:52:58
Yeah. Yeah. Save it. It's a good, it's a, it sounds amazing. You know, this sarin gas,
00:53:03
uh, in Japan. Yes. he was in that cult no well he rented it to that guy he rented it to the head of that cult no yep
00:53:13
the guy that wow okay should i just tell you or should i work he's such a funny guy i think i
00:53:19
should save it and let him tell you okay good yeah we'll do that okay um so yes the answer is yes
00:53:24
uh amanda asks um would you ever have a pen as a pen pal with somebody in prison no no
00:53:32
Oh, what was that? Not what we're interested in. No, thanks. No. Amber asks, what are some movies that you watched as a kid that frightened you, but you're still
00:53:43
nostalgic about? Poltergeist. Ugh. Poltergeist. The best. Arachnophobia. Oh, poor Michael.
00:53:52
I for a while was a babysitter like when I was super broke And it was right after I started having seizures so I couldn drive Uh And I kind of couldn do anything And my friend Pat Buckles God bless her soul She was like come and babysit the kids and I pay you whatever
00:54:07
She took my car. So it was like she was paying me to be the babysitter. And then she got to use my car.
00:54:11
It was perfect. But anyway, Michael at the time, who's now like in his early 20s, but he was like five
00:54:17
at the time. And we were hanging out one night and arachnophobia came on. I was like, do you want to watch this?
00:54:22
He's like, yeah. he still had like a little boy accent like this is scary like that i it scared the shit out of him
00:54:31
and pat called me later and was like really arachnophobia and i was like oh my god i'm so
00:54:35
sorry like i had to relearn how to be a normal person with children because i was like oh yeah
00:54:40
you're right that's spiders coming out of the shower head i didn't take a shower as a kid
00:54:46
for years now for uh what i still don't take shadow uh baby powder what were your movies
00:54:53
as a kid um i mean the exorcist we saw oh yeah i mean mine are older but we would always see
00:55:02
those movies that got rerun on at night standard tv so like the trilogy of terror it's not a movie
00:55:09
but it was a tv show called the trilogy of terror and anybody that was little in the 70s can tell
00:55:14
you it was the scariest fucking thing in the world and we watched it was me and my sister we
00:55:19
were probably like seven and nine then my cousin stevie was like 13 and then hit our older cousins
00:55:26
were like in their 15 16 whatever we all watched it together with the all the parents were out to
00:55:31
dinner and it's the one where it has a little the last one is this little doll and i believe it's
00:55:38
karen black is the person who owns the doll and it's like someone gave it to her uh from a you
00:55:44
know they brought it back from some different country and she gets up to take a shower and the
00:55:48
doll that's like this tall is sitting there and it's has a thing around its neck a necklace that
00:55:53
says never take this off and then the necklace drops off and the doll comes to life and it has
00:55:59
a little knife and it just tries to kill her and it's it freaked us all out so bad that like that
00:56:05
night we spent the night at my aunt jean's and my cousin stevie got up in the middle of the night
00:56:09
screaming like it was a whole event in that in in our family i mean well we don't even need movies
00:56:16
we need all the news yeah was like horrifying and they were like kids gather around yeah and look at
00:56:23
all these horrific things we're about to eat dinner check this shit out check this shit out
00:56:27
i was just watching on self mysteries the other night and it's like the the song the theme song
00:56:33
makes me want to cry yes and then um what was the one that was like twilight zone but it was newer
00:56:39
It was called, what was it, Stephen? Stephen! Amazing Story? Yes! Yes. They had some really fucking, and all the ghost shit scared the shit out of me when I was a kid.
00:56:50
I think on Amazing, were Amazing Stories based on true stories? Or was it just fiction?
00:56:54
I think so. Because I feel like that was the one, it was either the reboot of Twilight Zone,
00:56:58
or it was Amazing Stories, where there was a woman, a man picks his wife up after she has been attacked.
00:57:06
He picks her up from the hospital, remember that? and as they're driving home she goes that's him that's the man and she freaks out he gets out
00:57:12
kills him gets back in and then she does it she just keeps doing it the whole ride home and
00:57:16
suddenly he realizes he killed the wrong yeah man is that a i think that's a twilight zone
00:57:22
but it was a new one oh like it was modern yeah it wasn't the old it was great you know who we'll
00:57:29
know was um joe de rosa who was a twilight zone expert do you know so joe de rosa they he and pat
00:57:35
Walsh have a podcast that we've talked about called We'll See You in Hell. And I've met Joe DeRosa's mom and she's got this accent, like Jersey-ish accent.
00:57:46
She's like, well, when I was, I would make Joe at six years old watch these horror movies.
00:57:50
She's obsessed with horror movies. She was just talking about how she'd make Joe at, I didn't want to watch them alone.
00:57:54
So you make your five and six year old kid watch them with you. And it's like, oh, I get Joe so much better now.
00:58:00
Yeah. Because he had to watch, had to watch these movies with his mommy. Joe Okay sorry
00:58:08
Not sorry why am I sorry No never sorry Julia asks What would your What would your dream job in the true crime field be
00:58:19
Like if you could be in The true crime like I guess Hmm Going through of Go crime scene
00:58:36
analyst? Is that a thing? Can I go for people's shit? Yes. That's all I want. Crime scene analyst
00:58:44
sounds almost definitely like a real thing. I want to go to the estate sale of someone who got killed
00:58:50
with the intent of finding out why they got killed. You want to be a detective? Thank you.
00:58:57
Oh my God. I want to be a detective. You want to be a detective? Yeah. Like a straight up,
00:59:02
I don't like, You know. Yes. I don't need a fancy fucking... Office? Title? Money?
00:59:13
I'm trying to think. I feel like I would want to do something in the lab where they test things,
00:59:19
where people are waiting to see what the thing is. Really? Yeah. I like the idea of being at ground zero when you find out this is definitely his blood.
00:59:28
It's not his blood. One of those things. That's cool. I don't... That seems clean and I want to get disgusting.
00:59:37
Right. I want to get disgusting except for I want it to be like fictionally disgusting where it's interesting disgusting as opposed to regular bummer disgusting.
00:59:47
I imagine the first time I see the real really what it is, I would change my mind.
00:59:53
But I did find out that an ex worked at a morgue and would pick up the bodies Yeah And I was fucking pissed that he got to do that after breaking my heart
01:00:06
that he got to then be something fucking cool, and I didn't. Yeah. Did he appreciate it?
01:00:11
Did he know that it was... I think he did, yeah. Myra also worked for a funeral home.
01:00:18
He did. I listened to his... I think he was on Crab Feast, and he told the story.
01:00:23
I mean amazing stories But I feel like I don't even know enough about Any of it To know what my favorite thing would be
01:00:31
But I think The person who gets to call The lead detective to say We got him Sonny
01:00:39
Or whatever I want to be a true crime podcaster Oh? I don't think you're gonna I don't think that's gonna work out for you
01:00:46
That's not a job So I've been told is it getting harder to find stories for the podcast no not in the least oh my god there's
01:00:56
we have too many i have too many yeah that i'm excited about yeah the hard thing is actually
01:01:02
for me finding them for live shows suddenly the work the work of putting it together in a cohesive
01:01:09
accurate condensed way it's just like that that's going to please people and having that
01:01:18
consciousness of it and all that I think it's just the self-consciousness for live shows
01:01:21
of all of it oh is that's what's hard for me yeah it's very hard it's hard but for me it's hard but
01:01:27
rewarding and I enjoy it for our for the podcast but live shows is hard because you have you want
01:01:33
to do it somewhere near the town you're doing it at least I want I and then I realized that there's
01:01:39
certain topics that you should I shouldn't be covering in the live shows so you don't want to
01:01:43
do a bunch of child murders because then you get silence and that makes me self-conscious and weird
01:01:47
so that part is hard for me so when I do find one I get really excited but I don't have mine
01:01:53
for this weekend and it's Tuesday and oh my god we have so much time because it's so hard
01:01:59
yeah but now our tour manager is my husband and he's like are you done do you need to do it Georgia
01:02:06
no we're not going out well then he's fired do it we simply don't have to deal with that
01:02:10
he's fired from being my husband they can still be the tour manager that's right
01:02:14
oh and that was from Sarah thanks Sarah and then Allie asks she's been dying to know after
01:02:23
Miniso25 did you two go to Barnes and Noble and get mechanical pencils and a day planner we did we sure
01:02:30
did I couldn't wait and so I went and got a day planner by myself then we met up at Barnes and Noble
01:02:40
to look to and then Georgia was like, well, let's go look at day planners. And then I was like, oh, I got one already.
01:02:46
But we did that. Then we ate a bunch of sushi and we just had a good old time at the Americana.
01:02:53
Yeah. That's it. Glendale's Grove. What's up, Madewell? They love us there. What's up, Madewell?
01:02:59
What's up, Madewell? But also, sorry, Madewell, but then the J.Crew that's across from the Madewell
01:03:04
at the Grove is starting to feel very competitive because I went into the Madewell at the Grove.
01:03:09
Sorry, this is, I mean, this is asshole corner. But I went into the main well at the Grove
01:03:14
and the girl gave me a discount and we had a nice chat. And then I got a tweet later that day
01:03:21
that was like, we like you better at the J.Crew across the street. Come in. Yeah, it was really hilarious.
01:03:25
Can I do asshole corner real quick? And last night when I was at the fucking Mecca of Hipsterville
01:03:30
of the Trader Joe's in Silver Lake and one of the Trader Joe's workers who was like,
01:03:36
I feel like they're on another plane of like coolness somehow. maybe it's because I
01:03:40
filled out an application for Trader Joe's and they never hired me because I can't math so it's like
01:03:45
yeah you think you're better than me but she was stocking salads and she turns to me and just goes
01:03:50
you know that's the thing and I was just I almost started crying and I think I overdid it because she was just like great
01:03:56
and like walked away because I almost started crying and she's like this isn't what I
01:04:00
wanted from telling her this yes yeah we have nice fans yeah where to go oh Eve asks
01:04:11
a stat I've heard slash seen slash right over the years is that there are approximately
01:04:15
87 active serial killers in the US right now do you think this is accurate too high too low I just
01:04:21
read an article that said there were 40 I know I've seen lower like 30 to 40 but I mean that's too many
01:04:27
also they don't know it's all conjecture so it's like we think it's this but then when the Killing Field series
01:04:33
was on it made it seem like there were 500 act of serial killers. I mean, it was like, there's tons. A number I'm more interested in
01:04:39
is how many clandestine graves are there. Like right now, Karen, you're sitting in front of a
01:04:44
tapestry of a beautiful forest. And it's like, whenever and when we were driving,
01:04:49
we were on a road trip to a locate to do a live show. And I was staring at the window and looking
01:04:54
at the fields. And all I could think of was how many dead bodies are buried out there? Yeah,
01:04:58
because there's got to be so many. So serial killers, I don't know. Yeah, but dead bodies.
01:05:03
that's what you want to know yeah yeah it's it's an interesting there's a really good um i believe
01:05:10
it's in the sandman series by neil gaiman but if i'm wrong man are people going to be mad at me
01:05:15
but there was one of the comic books and the whole thing was about how all the serial killers were
01:05:21
meeting up at a motel for the did you read that one for them for the serial killer convention
01:05:25
that they were having that was an american gods was it no oh that was all the gods because it's
01:05:32
called American fucking yes yes similar feel but I'm pretty sure it was oh that's Sandman
01:05:38
interesting and it was I think about that all the time we're like do they know each other they hate
01:05:42
each other yeah I mean yeah because they want to be there yeah I bet they're like they're not doing
01:05:47
it right yeah wonder wonder Jordan asks so my husband got me this bluetooth whistle thing that should I blow it a text with help in my GPS location is sent to three of my contacts It keeps updating with my GPS until I check in and verify I fine My question is what do you think about this kind of technology
01:06:07
Would you guys carry one and do you think it'll be common in the future? What if it just picked whatever it was like a roulette of whatever contacts and it was like your ex-boyfriend and some guy you met at a fucking
01:06:18
Someone that you used to work with that you do not talk to anymore. I'm sorry. What help?
01:06:23
i the first thing i thought of like i love the idea of that but if in my hands like this weekend
01:06:30
i was at the bridgetown comedy festival super fun great i must have lost my glasses five times
01:06:34
and a couple of the times they were in my pocket and i was just like in the second i thought they
01:06:41
were gone i was freaking out and like i left them at the last place i would start walking back to
01:06:45
places the whole nine yards uh but so that being said what i mean is i have that thing of like i'm
01:06:53
going to be sending help to people never meaning it after a while just like the fable everyone's
01:06:58
like it's just her thing where she touches it all the time but actually i'm at the bottom of a well
01:07:02
you know it's gonna backfire on eventually we'll know eventually after three days of have you heard
01:07:08
from karen yeah but the way i am of like flaking on people and late it's gonna be like three months
01:07:14
later you're like should we check on karen oh she might be mad at me or whatever just like never come
01:07:19
over i almost got you for your birthday this like it was this like journal notebook and it just said
01:07:24
on the front uh excuses for why i can't go out but i didn't so true i mean dude i need that too
01:07:34
i mean i was like do i have a stomach ailment like this weekend was great because i was trying
01:07:39
to do a fake not a real fast and i was like i can just tell everyone that i can't go out and
01:07:44
they'll get it because we're in la yes that's right that's a classic and then i had a pretzel
01:07:48
that pretzel looks so good georgia texted me the pretzel the picture of the pretzel that was
01:07:53
breaking her fast and i wanted to reach through the phone and grab it away from her the york and
01:07:56
highland park and as i was walking back to my car where vince and i are walking across the crosswalk
01:08:02
and this couple and one of them is like a model like one of the most beautiful women
01:08:07
and she says hi georgia and i was like i absolutely don't know anyone who looks like that
01:08:12
And I said, hi. Not hi. I said, hi. But then she tweeted at me and was like, I said hi to you.
01:08:19
I'm a fan of the podcast. And I was like, I know, because I would have known that I know a model.
01:08:24
Oh, it's my model friend, Gloria. It's my model friend. Yes. Tangent. I also, the first thing I said when I got here was like, that pretzel looks amazing.
01:08:36
I just was like, oh my God. It was so big. You had it It looked like a cartoon pretzel
01:08:43
Yes, that's right York and Highland Park Shout out Yeah, well done on your pretzel game
01:08:48
Alyssa asks Do you think you guys could get away with murder? No No, I don't think
01:08:56
No I would leave my glasses there Leapold and Loeb, shout out For real I would confess
01:09:05
Yeah I think I just couldn't carry that around with me No, no, no That's Even considering it
01:09:10
makes me feel guilty like it's everything about it it is so terrible i just i can't you know i
01:09:15
wouldn't get away with it because i don't think i because in my mind i would think i couldn't get
01:09:18
away with it so i would just go insane i just couldn't do it there's no perfect crime you can't
01:09:23
do it and dna there's no i mean there's no thing that doesn't tie you back even poison it's like
01:09:30
well they can trace why where people bought this poison yes there's no way there's no way also
01:09:36
don't kill people stop it don't get life insurance policy stop it okay um uh charlotte asks um if you had a chance
01:09:46
to go back and be involved in an investigation of any serial killer or unsolved case which one would it be and why
01:09:52
oh oh like can we listen i know you didn't write this steven but i want some clarity like from the beginning
01:10:02
let's say don't look at that paper tell Steven, you're answering this. From the beginning?
01:10:09
I'm going to say, yeah, you hit the ground running. You're like first call. Well, JonBenet.
01:10:14
I'd say Zodiac. Ooh. I just recently re-watched, and I talked about it, but re-watched that movie at CineFamily.
01:10:23
Oh, cool. It's such a good movie. It's so perfectly made. A new serial killer movie, right?
01:10:29
Yep. What is it? Is it the one about the British guy? I don't know. Someone told me about it, and I got so excited.
01:10:36
I think I wrote it in my calendar. I think my friend Carlos, who is like, we've been friends for a long time.
01:10:41
But as soon as I started this, he found out about this podcast. He just sends me shit all the time about like murder.
01:10:46
That's great. And he sent me the trailer. I haven't seen it. But we watched it together, didn't we?
01:10:51
Probably. I bet we did. OK, so you're probably the person I'm talking about when I say someone told me about it.
01:10:56
We're great. I mean, our worlds are just combining. I think we saw each other every day last week.
01:11:02
We really did. like not even just as like and i was probably wearing a new vintage dress in every single one
01:11:09
and i was wearing my same meeting shirt every single day um okay that's a great one yeah that's
01:11:16
that's a hard one because i feel like john bonnet is easy it's obvious but zodiac is clues and shit
01:11:23
oh sorry i meant zodiac with mark ruffalo i just would like to be around him doing some very
01:11:29
honorable and noble police work in the 70s of San Francisco. Let's see. I think we're winding down.
01:11:39
More. I love talking about myself. If you were an inmate on death row, Julia asks,
01:11:47
this is the same Julia as before. Is she going to ask that? You want your final meal?
01:11:51
I knew that was... I love those photos. I do too. Oh man, there was a girl. who got so drunk at one of our shows that she vomited and crawled out and crawled out
01:12:04
fucking who was lovely just fists in the air to you girl turned out to be a lovely girl uh had done
01:12:11
a uh dinner party of last meals and i think she like bought 14 buckets of kfc you know like did
01:12:20
the whole thing yeah serving that stuff up i mean what would you do because i could go eat kfc right
01:12:25
now if I wanted to I'd fucking hate myself but sorry are you saying you would do just full only
01:12:30
no chicken oh gosh no or a full KFC like buffet yeah okay which remember when we were driving to
01:12:39
Philadelphia and they had a KFC buffet restaurant yes that's right my dream anyways what would yours
01:12:47
be what uh let's see i mean i guess it would i would have to do my what i call my quote unquote
01:12:57
special occasion foods that i eat constantly pretending that it's my birthday all the time
01:13:02
which is like mac and cheese from where like it has to be a place um or just like a kind is there
01:13:07
like i guess like um shit i'm trying to think of like where's a plate like a soul food restaurant
01:13:13
not mac and cheese. Probably, I guess, like, because fried chicken, soul food would,
01:13:20
like those baked beans, that kind of stuff. But also, I was going to say mac and cheese,
01:13:28
one of those soft pretzels with the cheese dip. Yeah. Something like that. Now my mouth's just watering
01:13:34
and it's gross. I know, I'm hungry. I'm glad this is ending. What was I? Oh, uh.
01:13:40
Oh. Yeah. Waffle, chicken and waffles. well oh i was gonna say we have a little road trip this weekend on our tour and there is a
01:13:48
white castle yes as far as vince is concerned or says yeah and i've never been to an actual
01:13:54
white castle restaurant i've had them frozen so many drunk times yeah and i'm really excited to
01:13:59
go to a real hot out of the bag we neither of us as california girls have ever had that experience
01:14:05
never of white castle out of the bag hoping there's a waffle house but i'm not sure if there
01:14:10
is but either way we're gonna get our white castle we're getting a white castle it's exciting
01:14:14
um lauren asks um just curious to know what your thoughts are on making a murderer
01:14:20
i loved it i watched it i think that was near the beginning of us of this podcast because i watched
01:14:27
it i started it at seven o'clock at night and stayed up all night and watched it through the
01:14:32
night and into the next morning and then i remember telling you about it after i did that
01:14:36
because I just couldn't stop watching it. It was an incredible, incredible show.
01:14:41
Yeah. With people who seemed like they were from central casting of either inept or totally corrupt politician types.
01:14:50
It was amazing. And then I went to, and you were supposed to come, to the Strand and...
01:14:56
Sturm and Drang? What was it? Strand and Dean. Yeah. Like they had a Q&A or like a talkie times.
01:15:05
Yes. It was great. They're fucking badass motherfuckers. Yeah. It was great. This question
01:15:11
comes from City Life Office. Uh-oh. They're serving us with their papers through Steven.
01:15:19
You're under arrest. It's all been a ruse. City Life Office asks, what does a day in the life of Karen and Georgia
01:15:27
look like? Oh, God. Tell me your... You want to tell me your day today? We get up
01:15:31
out of our bunk beds. Georgia slips into a vintage dress i put my meeting shirt on karen loses her fucking mind because i'm in house i panic
01:15:40
even though it's eight in the morning uh i woke up late and went to therapy yeah that's right i
01:15:49
screamed at a chair for the first time interesting in a role-playing situation yeah how'd it feel
01:15:54
hard it was really hard because it felt stupid or it was hard emotionally it felt stupid but it was
01:15:59
really hard emotionally and i fucking bawled which i don't do in therapy yeah you got to get that
01:16:03
stuff out. It felt good. I have a ton of anger. I'm just keeping inside of me. Hello. And welcome
01:16:09
to my world. Have you ever done that? I've never done it before. I don't keep it inside me. No,
01:16:13
because I don't have a problem expressing anger or crying at all. I'm right there on the edge at
01:16:19
all times of any emotion that you could name willing to serve it up with a little bit of
01:16:25
glaze on the top because we'll get ready for screamy Georgia. Is that the new your new faith?
01:16:31
yeah i'll back you up girl you guys scream it out my therapist was so happy like i could see
01:16:38
she was on the edge of her comfy sofa chair yeah and she was like honest like cheering and i was
01:16:45
like oh i'm doing this right finally after two and a half years of therapy what did you do today
01:16:49
broke you open she broke me open well and just so you know very cream egg i was then you got
01:16:55
your stuff all over there all over that chair um i was raised in a household of yellers and
01:17:02
confronters always so to me it's not only i mean i get upset when i know i when i know i'm gonna
01:17:10
upset other people or when other people are upset um which then makes me need to get mad
01:17:17
so that you don't get to have your feelings but i still get to do my thing like preemptively
01:17:22
uh like shielding yourself from what's about not even shielding yourself just like it's like
01:17:28
preparing for it oh recoil maybe whatever it just all becomes a thing but like my dad
01:17:34
just saying that because in our family my dad would answer the phone yelling so that when
01:17:40
people would be like is karen there i'd be like hold on a second and then i would pick up the
01:17:44
phone and almost like eight out of ten times my friends would go are you in trouble and i'd be
01:17:49
like, no, what are you talking about? Because the volume and the like emotion level in our
01:17:54
house was always at eight So you must have a lot of tension Yeah Oh yes I have more than my fair share of tension And also that kind of like being criticized when you criticized all the time or like teased all
01:18:07
the time, then you have a sensitivity that doesn't make sense. It'll come out and it doesn't make
01:18:12
sense to people when it's because it's kind of like a lifelong raw nerve that if it's like a
01:18:19
very random one and then if you touch it good night good night like a fucking mosquito thing
01:18:25
and there's malaria and you get the malaria and the mosquito catches on fire it's exciting um
01:18:34
mine is the a timidness so i say you don't get to fucking see my anger i'm gonna put it inside me
01:18:42
and get gastrointestinal issues because of my anger who's inside of me. Yeah. Yeah.
01:18:48
I think that's very common with women. Yeah. Because it's not, certainly not feminine,
01:18:54
considered typically feminine or in any way attractive to be angry. When I got home from therapy, I had to say to Vince,
01:19:00
is it okay that I'm mad at you, like, over this thing? Yeah. Like, I couldn't even be mad at him.
01:19:06
I had to make sure it was okay. Well, it's very scary. Yeah. There's a great book called The Dance of Anger,
01:19:11
not to be totally weird about this. No, we need a, this is a thing. Well, this is a book I read
01:19:16
and it's because it's this amazing breakdown of how people who are angry or use anger,
01:19:23
what they're actually doing. And because it's very intimidating and it's very shocking a lot of times.
01:19:28
And if you do it correctly, you can really control people with your emotions to a point.
01:19:35
Well, my mom did that for sure. Yeah. So you kind of, it's just like, that would happen in my house.
01:19:40
It's like if you had a complaint, people would just yell you down with their bigger complaint.
01:19:45
Or if you were angry, they were angrier about something else. So it was just like you could never really have the floor because that was a very threatening thing to have a problem with like the system.
01:19:55
It was like unjustified or your anger was compounded because they wouldn't listen to it.
01:20:00
Yes. It wasn't just your anger wasn't justified in someone else's eyes. Never. And also it was always I was the dramatic one.
01:20:07
So it was like, no matter what I was doing, I was being overdramatic. So yeah, that's insanely frustrating.
01:20:14
What's the book called? Oh, it's called The Dance of Anger. And it's basically like when angry people shut you down, like it's a it's the perfect
01:20:22
way to get people to stop doing whatever they're doing because you're intimidating them.
01:20:27
But if you can get through that and not be intimidated, you can get that angry person
01:20:31
to actually break open because there's you paint yourself into a corner when you're like
01:20:35
the angry shouter reactor yeah and you don't ever get a learn and grow and all this and and actually
01:20:42
like communicate what you what the real problem is well you show me that too where it's like
01:20:47
when i've gotten angry with you it's like what's what's really going on and i want to be like
01:20:51
nothing you fucked up and then it's like oh well i'm into i feel sad and intimidated over this thing
01:20:58
and i'm panicking and it's like oh my god it's really scary to be vulnerable it's horrible that
01:21:03
worked um and it's easier to be angry because that's the first it's just like the thing that
01:21:08
shoots up first you go with that maybe double down on it and then you're free and clear because
01:21:13
everyone backs away yeah but then for me and it's even harder than at that point to come back and be
01:21:18
like well no yeah you can't there's no I mean talk about like rigidity and like you really have
01:21:23
then it's like it's like 90s stand-up comedy where all we did was go like that person sucks
01:21:28
that person sucks and then suddenly you're like well then everyone's my enemy like doesn't make
01:21:32
sense it doesn't everyone's just trying why do they suck yeah um and also really because what
01:21:37
you're saying is i suck yeah crying today was really helpful and i'm really excited to go in
01:21:42
my closet and put a chair in the corner and scream at it i can't wait that's good it's gonna be great
01:21:49
that's you've got your like your elbows deep in the good stuff this is the first time she's been
01:21:53
like here we go and i'm like why have i been paying you for the past two years when you know
01:21:58
instead of telling me to scream and fucking cry because it takes that's the thing about therapy
01:22:02
like I remember in like year seven with my therapist going oh I feel like we just chip
01:22:07
something off and she's like that's right like we're just chipping away a calcified wall of bad
01:22:12
ideas that we're pretty soon we're gonna get to a door and then I'm gonna be too scared to open
01:22:18
that door what was so funny to me is last week you and I were having dinner at a place and then
01:22:24
And I was like, yeah, I think I'm going to go to every other week with my therapist.
01:22:28
I think I'm good right now. And then later I was like, yeah, my therapist said to me that next week we're going to get into the deep mom stuff.
01:22:34
And you were like, so you're going to go see her every other week, huh? It was like so obvious.
01:22:39
I was like, I can't deal with that. I'm going to go not see her anymore. And that made me be like, maybe don't not go see her every other week.
01:22:47
Maybe you really fucking need to get into the shit. Sorry, I caught you. You fucking cock blocked me so hard on not seeing my therapist.
01:22:54
Thank you. Thank you. You're welcome. It was really great today. You're welcome.
01:22:58
I'm glad. That makes me very happy to hear. Yeah. That's good. So that's basically how our days go.
01:23:02
Oh, yeah. If that's not what we're doing, it's what we're talking about. Therapy is life, man.
01:23:09
Really. And also, what I told Georgia at one point, I can't remember we got into a fight about
01:23:14
some dumb thing. Yeah. And then after we had a great talk about it. But the thing I love the most is that we always have the best talks.
01:23:21
We get further along. it makes me so happy and it makes me happy to be friends with you thank you me too um but
01:23:28
growing and learning we really are and at one point i told georgia i go right at this point i
01:23:32
feel like i'm being paid to maintain a good relationship with you like that's all we have
01:23:37
to do that's what this podcast is is making sure that what if like nobody listens and it was just
01:23:41
our therapist feeding into like they were all the twitter people and they were all the like people
01:23:46
buying tickets to the shows and just giving away for free being like god they're learning so much
01:23:50
Finally, what great therapists are really dedicated to us. Totally. That be amazing What were you going to say You were going to say that we you being paid to Oh no just that joke of like that that and also i my therapist actually said that to me she like if you can make this
01:24:06
relationship with georgia work you can make any relationship work which is of course after
01:24:10
you get a divorce you become convinced that you just simply can't do it right and so why try and
01:24:16
why uh why like why go back to you know a ground zero type situation and be like oh i guess i'll
01:24:23
do this again and fuck it up again yeah and be bad at eight months or in five years it'll
01:24:28
fucking implode yeah nope it could actually work with the right temperament and the it's like a
01:24:36
resilience a quality of resilience and a quality of being willing to say i made a mistake can we
01:24:43
fix it yeah that's all yeah you know what we're all human that's right uh that was really beautiful
01:24:52
Stephen kept putting the microphone When he thought it was over and we just kept going
01:24:57
Can I interrupt you guys Please stop Stephen was like I wasn't I'm not recording
01:25:03
We've got so many more questions Should we end on that and play Jesse's murder Or is there a really good one that you want to end with
01:25:12
There's one good one to end with And then one note Because people were asking what my favorite murder was
01:25:18
And it's Selena from episode 32 That's right That was my favorite movie. Because you remember it as a child, right?
01:25:24
Yeah, it had that same kind of impact when people talk about that thing where you saw on the TV.
01:25:29
And you grew up in a Mexican-American family? Yes, exactly. And so it's just something you talked about all the time.
01:25:35
Well, and it's so shocking. It's so... I think about that one a lot, too, where it's just so unnecessary and so tragic.
01:25:42
And so surprising, the way it happened. It wasn't a male, rabid male fan. And it was just this insanely mentally ill woman.
01:25:52
And it's so unnecessary and sad. Yeah. And at that point of the double tragedy or the extended tragedy of that,
01:26:00
she was just about to potentially cross over and kind of become this Mexican-American star that was like, suddenly it's like,
01:26:09
these are, here's another kind of music that you can get into and listen to. She was basically on that train of everybody knowing her.
01:26:19
That seemed like a wonderful person, too. Sorry, Stephen. So this question, I had to print out the email for it,
01:26:27
because it's sort of a hometown as well. The headline is, Would you marry a serial killer's son?
01:26:38
Hello, Karen, Georgia, Stephen, and Fur Babies. Love the podcast. you hold a special place in my heart.
01:26:44
I'm really curious to know what each of you would do in this situation. A relative of mine met the love of her life,
01:26:49
and after a whirlwind of romance, he sat her down for a serious chat. He said that he would love to have a future with her,
01:26:55
but before they went any further, she needed to know that his father was in jail
01:26:59
for killing and dismembering a large number of sex workers. Oh, no. My relative decided to stay with her man,
01:27:05
and they are now married with children. I guess the next thing to do is decide when to tell her children
01:27:10
about their grandfather before they can discover it online for themselves, if they choose, what would you do?
01:27:17
Oh, well, I would definitely continue a relationship with that person. They're not responsible for their father's actions
01:27:25
and the fact that they understood the severity of it enough to sit them before it was very, you know, before they were in deep,
01:27:36
let them know because understanding that that's a choice someone would make, that's very mature and i would never hold that against someone yeah i would never hold that
01:27:45
against anybody and it's that they're actually a victim as well like it's not um if there's
01:27:51
anything it would just be like how difficult that would be for a person it would almost i feel like
01:27:56
i would like to think i would have even more empathy for that person because they had gone
01:28:00
through such a serious life challenge um and their relationship and i mean everything about
01:28:07
that would be so hard for that person i would just feel such deep um sadness and empathy for
01:28:12
them that it would almost be the opposite of like i wouldn't break up with them never and as for the
01:28:17
kids i feel like you slowly introduce like you know as they understand what grandmas and grandpas
01:28:23
are and what about dad's dad where's dad you know you say he did a very bad thing and he's in jail
01:28:28
he's in prison forever for it or you know and you slowly let them know you know what i really give
01:28:34
more information to them. Yeah. Because I realized this and it's weird that I've never said this
01:28:39
before. And I in no way was holding it back. I just kind of mentally like rediscovered it recently.
01:28:47
But my mother's father died when she was 21. So I never knew him. But I found out when I was
01:28:57
a full grown adult, I think probably in my late 20s, my dad told me he was stabbed to death
01:29:02
in a bar fight holy shit that's and that's how he died that's how he died but my we were always told
01:29:10
he died of a heart attack oh and so it wasn't till much much later and i didn't like i didn't know
01:29:15
anything about it but i only recently realized where i'm like oh actually isn't that funny when
01:29:19
it's your own thing you don't it's my own thing but i also don't i have no connection to it except
01:29:24
to know like my mother never spoke about it and she never like for the story she kind of put out
01:29:31
was like he just died of a heart attack like don't worry about it and and she didn't like him
01:29:35
because he was a really bad alcoholic and he had you know he was he had a lot of problems
01:29:40
so it was almost just like that's the side of the family you don't talk about as much tragedy
01:29:45
I know it's not weird I don't know if it's my story to tell but I'll just say that Vince's
01:29:49
grandfather he never met who was a police officer who died in the line of duty and so his the grandfather he grew up with was his step grandfather And it just this like they didn talk about it either Yeah I feel like more people than you would know Yeah Like
01:30:08
if you ask people like about the tragedies in their family, you'd be shocked how many have
01:30:13
humongous ones that they just simply don't discuss because they've grown up with it as a secret or as
01:30:19
a thing and nobody will discuss it with them or yeah them wanting to know more about it is
01:30:25
they're a they're a bad person for wanting to know more about it they're opening wounds
01:30:30
or they're yeah like it's it's very it's too sensitive or yeah it's interesting it's interesting
01:30:35
um that's a good question yeah yep hope good luck with that everyone that was it yep that's the q a
01:30:43
wow that was fun that was fun I mean yeah I like let's just change the podcast questions for us
01:30:53
you guys thanks for sending 400 questions in such a short time we'll do it again sometime and get
01:31:01
for sure get other ones Stephen thank you for going through all of those were there a lot of weird ones
01:31:07
no I mean yeah these were some great questions that I liked Thank you. Good job.
01:31:14
Those were really good. Yeah, those were really good. Thank you. And we're back.
01:31:21
We were just saying what a brilliant idea we had to stop doing homework for one week and just be able to answer some questions.
01:31:30
It's like the Guy Brennan episode where it was like, oh, great. Someone else has to do the heavy lifting.
01:31:34
And in this one, it's Steven. We said ask for questions and then go find them. We didn't even have to find the questions ourselves.
01:31:40
Steven. Yep. Stephen fully arranged the entire situation. And then it was just fun because then it was like a little bit of a conversation.
01:31:48
Am I going to talk about myself? There is a moment here that has stuck with me about Stephen that's like, you know, the soft spot I have in my heart for him.
01:31:56
One of those things includes the fact that the murder of Selena is his top favorite murder and that it's the one that always stuck with him.
01:32:05
And I just like, yeah, it's so sweet. It's so sweet. it's so him it's so yeah it really is he's a beautiful angel and a great texter and it's so
01:32:16
let's both read our last text from steven open your fucking phone right now and let's be our
01:32:21
last text exchange from steven do it go hold on okay mine's from wednesday september 10th it says
01:32:26
karen i went to the opening of the jaws exhibit at the academy museum you have to go it was great
01:32:31
getting to see lots of original props and then there's a picture of fucking steven spielberg
01:32:35
speaking at a podium while it says Jaws exhibition and an orchestra. So Stephen's in the audience for
01:32:42
this incredible Jaws 50th anniversary. And before that, it was hope the tour goes well and you have
01:32:48
a great show on our first night. Okay. Love your Stephen text. I mean, it's so Stephen. It's so
01:32:54
Stephen. The audio sounds different, by the way. Yeah. We had a major Wi-Fi meltdown. Yeah. So
01:32:59
we're picking back up. It's a different day. It's a different reality, but still. Pretend it's real.
01:33:04
It sounds better. It sounds so much better. Steven sent me a photo of his cat, Penny Lane.
01:33:10
That's my last interaction with him. I said, what a sweet angel. And then he gave me an update on her new diet food and meds.
01:33:19
Can I see her picture? Yeah. That cat is so cute. She's such a cute little orange thing.
01:33:23
She's a dinky orange tabby. Yeah. I like a new segment text from Steven. I know.
01:33:28
Yeah. Rewind. Why not? With Steven's text. He always gives them. We might as well turn them into content.
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to article.com goodbye um we have a quick hometown um that i this is a murder i've always i i saw this
01:36:42
one years ago on like a dateline or some stuff that i couldn't do because it was kind of one of
01:36:49
those small ones but then i found out when i met vince that uh vince's one of vince's best friends
01:36:54
Jesse Pop was directly connected to this murder. Wow. Yeah. And so Jesse Pop, fucking hilarious
01:37:00
comedian, he just came out with his new album called I'm the Best, which is so funny. If you
01:37:05
know Jesse Pop that that's it's just so hilarious. It's him in a RoboCop costume.
01:37:10
That he actually really wore to a Halloween party at a bar. But he's like got a solo cup and he's drunk. He's just such a funny person. And I watched the live
01:37:18
taping of this comedy album. And my fucking God, he's one of the best joke writers I've ever heard.
01:37:24
He's among the comedy community. He's known as one of the best stand-ups there is.
01:37:28
Yeah. So it's an album worth buying. Yes, for sure. I'm the best. It's on iTunes and all the places you buy
01:37:34
stuff. And so here is Jesse Pops' hometown waiter. Let me put it on speaker. Okay.
01:37:44
All right. This is my hometown murder. About six, seven years ago, I was living in New York and I ran out of money.
01:37:53
So I went back home to Michigan and got a job at the local apple orchard there. I was just kind of like riding a tractor and doing shit you can do when you don't know how to farm.
01:38:05
But there was just one kid there, and I talked to him a few times. And he kind of, I mean, he wasn't, he just struck me as a little squirrely, nothing too crazy.
01:38:16
and then I asked a few people, not a few, just like shooting the shit. I was like, so, what's up with this kid?
01:38:22
They're like, oh, he's nice and all this. And it didn really stick in my mind And then you know I saved up some money went back to New York and then a year later this kid got arrested for murdering his mom I thought oh that a little crazy
01:38:35
And then it turns out what was going on is she, the mom, was schizophrenic and bipolar and also very religious
01:38:45
and wasn't taking her medicine because she thought it was sorcery. And she had gotten so far gone, she was, like,
01:38:51
stashing knives in her head toward it, but for like tracking devices in the bloodstream and all this.
01:38:57
And then also, the dad had started stepping out, and there's also like a little before the murder,
01:39:04
she'd been arrested for strangling this kid because he was trying to get her to take her medicine,
01:39:09
and then also he had a younger sister who the mom was homeschooling still for some reason,
01:39:14
so there's a lot going on. Even on the news, they'd be like, you know, the perfect family, which is not what was going on anyway.
01:39:22
This was a very grisly scene, I guess, where no one broke in, no signs of force, and she
01:39:29
didn't feel anything. Someone took a two-by-four and basically bashed her head open a bunch of times and then took
01:39:36
a knife and stabbed her in the throat a bunch of times, and there was blood and stuff.
01:39:40
And this kid said that he had been, his alibi was that he had been planting bushes for a
01:39:47
neighbor lady, which turned out not to be true, and then he punched into work, and his
01:39:51
hands were all fucked up, and he told people it was for moving pallets, which, moving pallets
01:39:57
doesn't really get your hands the way that his were. So he got arrested, and he got convicted because, you know, people were spitting him and saying
01:40:07
there's no way he did it, it's going to be so nice, but he got arrested, and he's going
01:40:13
to do at least I think 20 or 30 years or something and uh I yeah so uh take your medicine and don't
01:40:22
kill your mom nice that's exactly right Jesse take your medicine and don't kill your mom please
01:40:29
the other thing he didn't mention in that the apple orchard was his sister Jesse's sister's
01:40:34
apple orchard oh wow yeah and I've been there spicers and I had a fucking apple cider donut
01:40:39
in michigan oh my god the best this took me there in michigan and it was amazing uh so intense i
01:40:47
know did you ever see the like 2020 or 48 hours about that one it the story sounds familiar but
01:40:52
as i was listening to him tell it i was like is it familiar because he told it to me before because sometimes he wear the t the spicer apple orchard t yeah like what is is it is he an ironic hipster he like no i used to fucking work here wow um that was a great way to end a really fun question
01:41:09
wow uh next me next uh minisode hometown murder i'll play my uncle's oh yeah gas situation amazing
01:41:20
I know. I love it. Um, thanks, Jesse, that Jesse pop by his album. I'm the best. I'm the best.
01:41:26
Vince Averill. My husband put it out on his record label. What's his record label called?
01:41:31
It's called, um, capsule records. What if I fucking didn't know? I was like, Oh no,
01:41:38
motion of like, think of the t-shirt. Cut this. okay we're back are there any updates on the story there actually are so the jeffrey pine case was
01:41:52
covered on a 48 hours in an episode called the perfect family they also did a follow-up segment
01:41:58
asking if the way his mom was killed proved pre-meditation cbs news ran a series of articles
01:42:05
during his trial and after the verdict and it is such a sad case just terrible yeah and jesse
01:42:11
lived it. Yeah. Right in his world. That's like a reality shifting experience to have,
01:42:18
to know about that in childhood. Yeah. Okay. So let's talk about the title. It'll be easier.
01:42:24
Originally, this episode was called Q&T&A. But maybe if we're naming it today, based on something we've said in that episode, we would call it nothing more flexible,
01:42:34
like a tattoo. Or God willing, which is Georgia joking that it'll be my birthday
01:42:40
when this episode comes out. God willing. I love an inappropriate God willing. And then we could also do excuses
01:42:47
for why I can't go out. I love it. I mean, to this moment, to this moment. All right.
01:42:53
Well, thanks for listening. And we're going to say goodbye to you from way back in 2017
01:42:57
in the Podloft. Oh. Well, that was awesome. Thank you, Stephen, for that, doing that.
01:43:07
Yeah, and thank you guys for sending in those questions. It was so much fun. Stay sexy.
01:43:10
And don't get murdered. Bye. Bye. Elvis, you're sitting right here. Do you want a cookie?
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Goodbye!