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Hey. Today we're recapping episode 79. Oh, a little baby, which we named sharpest needle in
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the tack, which is definitely something I said. That really sounds like a Georgia-ism.
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It does. This episode came out July 27th, 2017. Okay, so let's listen to the intro of episode 79.
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hi welcome to my favorite murder this is the podcast uh where we tell you true crimes and
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um horrible things that happen to good people yeah and a little about ourselves sometimes when
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we oh just a just a touch about ourselves when we feel like going on a tangent um which is every
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single episode for a minimum 49 minutes yeah but there's it's sprinkled throughout get ready oh
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yeah. Also, we don't just keep it at the top. We'll put it in the middle and then also at the end.
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I mean, listen, look, look and listen. Okay. So we should probably start with the biggest
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announcement and the one that people constantly tweet us about and ask us about. Thank you for
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your interest. We are going on tour again and we are now going to announce the dates of our
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Australian and American tour. Are you ready to hear what we're doing? Yeah. Australia, you know, we're ready, but we're adding a couple of shows actually.
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So New Zealand, Auckland is, there's still tickets available. It's on Wednesday, September 16th.
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September 6th. Thank you. That says September 6th. Wednesday, September 6th, beginning of September.
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And then we're adding shows in Melbourne and Sydney because we have two shows in each and
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they sold out. So September 10th in Melbourne at the Comedy Theater. Melbourne. And September 12th
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in Sydney, Australia, there's another show at the fucking opera house. At the Sydney Opera House.
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Dude. Side room. Is that true? We're in the jazz room. No, I have no idea. And we're actually in
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the bathroom. We're just going to be in the bathroom. Yeah, that's right. If you want to
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come and talk to us at the Sydney Opera House, we're going to be loitering in the women's bathroom
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from nine to 11. It's actually a chamber orchestra that night, but we'll be in the bathroom. Yes.
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I'm really excited about a lot of these cities and I won't say which ones I'm, I was about to
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say which ones I'm most excited about. That would be great for you to not say what you
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aren't looking forward to. I'm not going to do that. Okay. What else do you have? You got nothing?
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No, I have a thing or two. Let's hear it. Okay. Well, it's all just like my rambling,
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but my brother was on a jury where someone died. It was like a race car guys on the street
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and they crashed into a car and killed someone. And as he was telling me, my seven-year-old nephew was like,
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yeah, and like giving me details. So I was like, okay, he knows about it. How cute would it be if I recorded him
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talking about it in hometown? And so I was like, Micah, tell me what happened. And he was just like, well, someone died.
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It was so depressing that I was like, well, I'm okay. Yeah. Not playing that. Yeah.
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That's sad. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think seven years. Last night at a show I did, someone's like, oh, my nine and 10-year-old nieces loved your show.
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And I was like, that's chilling. I don't think that's good at all. Nine and 10-year-olds turn this off.
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Yes. You can lose a couple of listeners. Some awesome murderinos that were also backstage.
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One of the guys, I'm sorry, I can't remember your name. He goes, that's around the time I started getting interested in true crime.
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And then I was like, oh, okay. Okay, then. I don't feel as bad. That's true, I guess, right?
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Yeah, I think for me, it was sixth grade. So, you know, kids are very advanced. And it's like, even though it's not true crime, it's like the revving up of it.
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The things are suddenly really interested in like scary movies and bad things. And actually, speaking of children, this girl named Sarah underscore Hall tweeted us a photo of her nine-year-old sister.
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And she said she just named her own bat. She, I guess, was in baseball. She just named her own bat Ted Bunty all on her own.
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Yeah. I was like well that fucking incredible Yeah that hilarious Yeah I mean Georgia so loves a pun I love a pun and I love a nine You know I love baseball I mean it everything you love Love everything
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If only that little girl had a vintage dress on while she did that. Lose my mind.
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Later. Well, I got a tweet that I found very interesting. And it's like, this is the kind of, you know, conversations that we like to have.
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It was the Coastal Horizons Rape Crisis Center in Wilmington, North Carolina. sent a tweet. So they basically said, Hey ladies, big fans of your podcast. However,
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we were disappointed to hear the unintentional victim blaming that took place on the 2020 episode
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re covering your drinks. The onus is never on the victim to stop an assault. We need to have
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a culture shift where instead of telling victims what to do or not to do tell perps, Hey, don't
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rape people. Yes. Also drug is the number, uh, alcohol is the number one drug used to facilitate
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sexual assault, not roofies, um, in parentheses, not saying it doesn't happen, but misinformation
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can unintentionally compound victims trauma. We are a rape crisis center in Wilmington,
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um, North Carolina. Uh, and we frequently hear victims blaming themselves because
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they quote, did everything right. My friend watched my drink, et cetera, and they are still
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assaulted. So just wanted to let you all know, love your work. Uh, which I think is such a good
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point. Totally. Um, we obviously, and we don't, it's not like we need to make excuses, but when
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we were having that conversation, we were coming from that, that point of view, which is very,
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for me, it's very eighties of like, you have to, you have to like, you have to, um,
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be on the lookout at all times kind of. Yeah. Beyond the defense and kind of like be aggressively,
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you know, aware and all that kind of stuff. But it's such a good point that it doesn't matter.
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You can be the most aware, you can be the most, you know, responsible, all these things,
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and then something can happen to you. And we never want people to feel like in any way,
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obviously that that would be our messaging. Or that they're to blame. Cause that, that,
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that hurt me so much. It made me sad of like, they come in there and feel to blame. I mean,
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they didn't cover their drink, like we're telling them to do, or, but the fact that she said,
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it's usually alcohol, not, it's just alcohol. It's not like they need to roofie you to take
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advantage or to assault you. Yeah, exactly. It's actually a very common thing that people use all
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the time that doesn't make anybody feel that worried in the beginning. And it's the, yeah.
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I think also we were having that conversation because it was around the time that that girl,
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it was that thing that happened in Santa Monica where these women saw a guy put a drug into a
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girl's drink and they basically went and got her in the bathroom and were like, we just saw this
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thing. So we were kind of going off of that in a way, but you know, thank you for the correction
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because that's a really good point. And that really is, you know, please raise your sons
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not to rape. That would be great. Yeah. That would be awesome. Um, did you see the trailer
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for the movie, my friend Dom? Yes. Holy shit. Oh my God. We're not being paid. We're not
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being paid. We should be. I want to see it today. I know it looks so great. It looks
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so good. I love that there's not, it doesn't seem like there's anything about him being an older
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person and actually committing. Is there, that's not what the book's about. I didn't, I only,
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I don't think it is. Cause I feel like I did read that comic book, the graphic novel,
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but I can't remember the end. I mean, I, it's just the story of him, but I think it's him in
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high school and basically when it all started. I think it's going on the idea that you already
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know who Dahmer is and what he's done. And then, so while you're watching the movie, you're like,
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oh, this is a thing that made it happen. This is a thing that started it. It's teenage Dahmer.
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Yeah. And it looks so creepy and so eerie. It's really ominous. One of the first shots in that trailer is kind of a wide of the front of a school.
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And it's just kids in kind of like late 70s clothing walking around. And then you just notice there's a guy just standing there staring.
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And it's really fucking creepy. It almost looks like if Napoleon Dynamite was like a scary movie.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's exactly. You change the soundtrack to Napoleon Dynamite.
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Which I love when people, I love those. I love like the Mrs. Doubtfire as a horror movie.
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Have you seen that one? Oh yeah. I fucking love them. Or the Shining as a rom-com or like a family sitcom.
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Totally. Or like a Coming Together. What's that song? Da da da da da da da. I'm Coming Home.
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Is it? Shakira? Were you singing Shakira? Probably. Hips don't lie. Yes. YMCA. I think it's the
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Peter Gabriel song, Salisbury Hill. Something like that. Salisbury Hill. Because I thought saying Salisbury was clearly going to be wrong,
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so I didn't say it. You were scared to risk it. Yeah. Steak. Got you. Salisbury steak and all that.
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You know that beautiful Peter Gabriel song? Rolling up on Salisbury steak. I love that song.
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It's so like, there's those weird, I don't know what instrument it is, but it's like,
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like he's blowing into a windpipe. Is that a thing? Or like, what was the ones you had to play it as a kid?
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A recorder. I love Peter Gabriel. There might be a recorder solo at the beginning of Salisbury Hill.
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Salisbury Steak. Salisbury Steak. All of that is misinformation. The entirety of misinformation.
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Wait, what were we talking about? Oh, Jeffrey Tomer. Fucking Napoleon Dynamite. If you're an editor, if you have the time, if you care, could you please make Napoleon Dynamite into a scary movie with a soundtrack?
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I bet you could take the trailer from Napoleon Dynamite. Just put all of this, the exact same voiceover and words from the trailer for Dahmer.
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Just put them in there Yeah So it like Napoleon Dynamite mouth is moving in that weird like his braces are still on but they not Mash it up His friend his friend is um his friend Pedro is the friend who wrote the book Like it just perfect
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It's perfect. Did you plan this? Yes, it's all written down. Oh, is it? No, it's not.
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Let me see those notes. Oh man, nothing I say is ever planned, obviously. I never plan anything.
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We absolutely assure you that almost nothing is pre-written on the show. No. Even the things that are supposed to be.
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Yeah. Like our stories. I think that's all I had. Did you have anything? I'm sure I can.
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I have other things that I just can't think of. And oh, I keep writing things that I don't like.
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I'll be like, oh, I should make a note for pre-show. And then I don't know what it means.
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So I have Yan Can Cook written down. Yan Can Cook, I feel like is from when we were talking.
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I was watching it the other night. And then I was like, I got to talk to Karen about this.
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I don't remember why I would talk to you on a murder podcast about Yang Can Cook.
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Because that guy fucking murders chicken. That guy is the best. Then I wrote embarrassing illness.
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I don't know what that means. That's probably Crohn's disease. Yeah. And then I wrote stardust equals anxiety.
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Do you mean angel dust? I don't know. And I was like, I think I wrote something wrong.
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And I was like, I'll remember. Were you on drugs or drink? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.
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Always. Well, how do we figure any of those things out? You just take some time with it?
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No, I don't think we need to. I think as long as I say them. Okay. And then everyone knows.
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Then if we're standing somewhere and a yang can't cook, whatever comes by, we're both going to be like, this is what it is.
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Yeah. And Stardust equals anxiety is probably something really interesting. Well, there's a movie called Stardust.
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Is there? Yeah. I don't know. but why would I write memories is a Woody Allen movie he would give you agita if you were yeah
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no it's not that I haven't watched that okay anxiety is it that we're all made of stardust
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and that makes you worried I think it's that yeah I think it's I think it's that uh I get
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I get anxious when I think of the entirety of the universe but I don't know how that has to
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do anything with murder well we talked about that one time we did yes because I said oh it was when
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I said, did you see that picture from the Hubble telescope that showed universes and
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balls of gas? And then you were like, please don't do this. So I must have wanted to elaborate on that. And I was, and I was on drink.
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Do you think there's a movie or something called Stardust that you saw as a child and that you
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discovered why it gives you so much anxiety? I don't know. I feel like trying, just generally
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trying to figure out worries is a fascinating podcast. Like, what are you worried? Isn't that
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a podcast? I'm being sarcastic. Oh, I got excited. Isn't there already a podcast like that?
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I think there is though. I think I'm worried about the universe. I can't remember how though.
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Yeah, I just am. I don't need to explain why. People get, everyone gets it. Sure. Well, you need to explain why if you bring it up.
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Yeah. That's really your only, the only thing. Yeah. And I did. Stardust gives me anxiety.
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That's not an explanation. The enormity of the universe gives me anxiety. Oh, okay. All right. Okay. Okay. Um, should we do this? Yeah. I mean, I want to ask Stephen
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who's going, but he's not trustworthy. Stephen just told me that he keeps getting it wrong,
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which sucks because you're a bigot. You're like, I'm like, well, Stephen knows. Oh no,
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he doesn't. I'm, I'm, I'm no longer a rock. Um, you were attacked. You were attacked by that
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Twitter account who was like, Steven, get it together. You've been wrong three times.
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Shut up. You know what it is? You know what? I realized what it is. My brain was doing to me was
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it's like, Karen, Georgia, Karen, like I'm doing that in my brain. So that's why I kept saying you
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would go first because in my mind, Georgia went last time, but she went last, last time.
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So you're not going, you're going Karen, Georgia, Karen, instead of Karen, Georgia, Georgia, Karen, Karen, Karen.
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Yeah. I'm just, my brain completely just fell apart at that moment. So what can we do to fix this going forward?
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We have two things that people have made us of how to tell. Like Twitter accounts?
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No. Remember the things they gave us at live shows? Like a large abacus. Is Steven going to drive around with that in his car?
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No, we can leave it here. Right? I mean, it's your house. Flip a coin. Do you think you have it this week?
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It's Georgia, yeah. Yes, I thought so too. I really need that. Steven wouldn't buck it up.
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I want to rake him over the coals. Steven, you have five chances. You've used three.
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I just love the idea there's a Twitter account now attacking you. What's it called again?
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Who went first last week? Who went first. Yeah. Well, there was like, they were like five days since accident or something like that.
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Oh my God. I love it. They were like keeping track and that was like this many days since.
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Oh, should I give it? Elvis isn't dead, everyone. Yes, you should definitely give that up.
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So last week I talked about how Elvis was at the vet and how scary it was. Turns out the kitten we got, Dottie, gave everyone a fucking crazy infection, upper respiratory infection.
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I really, truly thought Elvis was going to die. And I had my cry and I, you know, apologized to him and held him.
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Like, truly. And he's better now. He's on the mend. He's not going to die. But he lost his voice.
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It's so cute. Before you leave, you have to see him open his mouth to meow. And nothing comes out.
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Yeah, so maybe Dottie will have to do the sign off. Did you see the fan art that people made of Elvis
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in front of a black background, and it just says, I survived on the side? Are you And it the first time I saw it In quotes it says yeah so this kitten tried to kill me dot dot dot or something like that the first time i saw it i almost had a heart attack i was like if she sees that she gonna fucking shit a brick because he was still not out of
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right yeah right and it was hilariously awful where i was like i think i'm gonna have to ask
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these people to take it down oh well right now i think i didn't see oh my god if he died
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ever. Yeah. So thank you to everyone. Everyone was so sweet and said nice things and
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reassured me. And yeah, the vet was like, he's not going to die. Calm down. So good.
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Thanks, Village Vet. Good update. Yeah. All as well. Positive updates. Hey. And we're back. We are back.
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Hi. We announced a tour. Man, we really, to Australia. I know. It's so weird that that was so long ago and we're just gearing up for it in this episode.
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It's a very like, I know we've said this and kind of like jumbled our way through it a bunch of times,
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but it is that time as a flat circle feeling where you're just kind of like, it does not feel like 10 years.
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And then it also feels like 50 years. And when you think, I think back about Australia, it feels like that was 25 years ago.
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Like it was such an amazing memory and experience and like so great. But also so much has happened.
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It's just so weird. Isn't it crazy to think about how old those children who we were like, you should not be listening to the podcast when you're nine.
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How old they are now. Right. They're in college or close to it. Close to college.
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They're like super partying seniors. Yeah. Yeah. And that's the age when I hear someone say they have like a teenage daughter and she's rebelling or whatever.
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I always want to be like, give her our book or let her listen to the podcast, but not nine year olds.
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Nine just feels a little bit like let them have a little more of the innocent ears before they have to deal with this shit, if possible.
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Yeah. It's hard enough as an adult to fucking to like understand or to try to wrap your head around true crime.
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I know. You know. Also, this was the episode where we got corrected. Like one of the first in my memory, one of the first kind of big important moments in the actual conversation, not just you and I talking, but then getting feedback and engaging with it from the Coastal Horizon Center.
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and that whole discussion which I think unknowingly the way we engaged with that and handled it is the
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reason we did well with this podcast and basically it's like of course we did something wrong we don't
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know what we're doing we're just talking about stuff and this idea of like pointing out a thing
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that's really important in narrative setting for the way people look at these problems in society
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is so important. And, you know, it was like, you don't want anyone to think you have bad intentions,
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but then it's like, you don't have to sit in that. You can walk past that to like,
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apology and correction. And then do better moving forward. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I do really like
00:21:13
that aspect of this podcast or us, I guess, is not being like, our antiquated way is the right
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way and we will fight it to the fucking death. Like, that's not true. We're always all learning
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and growing or we should be. Yeah. Hopefully that's how you like, you know, live a better life,
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I think. And so I'm glad we did that. I'm glad that they called us out on it because it's so
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true. It's like, yeah, we're bending over backwards to like keep ourselves safe. And that isn't the
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problem. Like we're not the problem. Yes. But completely. And I think there's the thing too,
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of like the tone of like cover your drinks it was like in our desperation to feel like it was our
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job to warn people totally that's the line and then it's like yeah don't warn them so much that
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it's always their fault their responsibility on right oh you didn't cover your drink what like
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then it's somehow you're at fault for what happened which is so not the case and you know
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that's a really great example that just one person listening hears that and internalizes something
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that happened to them that they are not responsible for at all. Right. It's pretty incredible.
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Well, then we go from that to an Elvis health scare. I know. Which is just like, oh, he was so old.
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That old cat. He wasn't that old yet. He wasn't old enough yet. I remember saying to him, dude, just get me to 16.
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Wait, how old? I thought he was in his teens. Yeah, I guess it was like, I don't know.
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I think it was like 11 or 12 then. Oh. So to me, that's not that old. But Dottie, poor little sweet Dottie, just like fucking came in with influenza, the Black Death and made everyone violently ill.
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Like, no wonder Mimi fucking hates her now. She's like, bitch, you almost killed me.
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But Dottie's made out for her by being the sweetest fucking cat on the planet. Yeah, she's very sweet.
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Also, I think Mimi would have had a problem no matter what. She's just using the flu as an excuse.
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Yeah. If you're mad, you're mad. like if she had killed Elvis like could I have kept Dottie I mean it's pretty it's heavy to say
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she killed him it's like it's the way it all germs work of course and I'm totally kidding I would
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never you're kind of saying in the uh flowers in the attic way of would you have been evil to that
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cat because you would always secretly somehow blame her yeah yeah you know my friend said to
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me recently because Mimi's getting older, she's having health problems. And we were like presented
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with this really complicated way that she could be helped. And I was like, I don't, she's so
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fragile. I don't think she can deal with it. I don't think she should like go through it.
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And then my friend goes, you'd have done it for all this. Oh, like, how dare. And then she goes, however, wait, what did she say? She said, oh, you would have pet cemeteryed Elvis. So it's not really the same thing.
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I mean, there's nothing like your first pet. It's just a whole different. It's a whole different thing.
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But yeah, and I'm not not getting her taken care of. I promise you this. I'm doing everything I can.
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I feel like Mimi is just the female Elvis. Mimi's been in my I started reading the book when Elvis and Mimi were like neck and neck.
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It was just like then he it was like suddenly he was at peril and it felt like Mimi, although in a bad mood, wasn't we weren't going to lose her.
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Of course not. But he'd always been number one. Yeah, he really had. You know, I mean, look, it's your first born son.
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Well, awesome. Yeah, you know what I mean? Not that I would do anything for Mimi, but it's true.
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I would fucking pet cemetery Elvis. It's very brave of you to keep friends around her going to be that honest with you.
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She can't hear anything anymore, so it's okay. I mean, that's the thing. Old pets, God, we could talk about it forever.
00:25:04
All right. Oh, this story that I did, this episode, is just a classic. And it's so confusing.
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The Collar Bomb Heist, remember? Oh, yes, yes, yes. That's such a, like, all over the place story.
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I'm excited to hear myself cover it. Okay. Well, let's do it right now. let's get into Georgia's story about the collar bomb heist.
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00:28:57
okay awesome you don't know it i don't even really know what you just said okay it's the
00:29:03
story of the collar so a collar bomb meaning like a collar around your neck collar bomb is this a
00:29:08
woman and her daughter no okay heist um and i just want to up top say that there is an article
00:29:14
called in Wired by Rich Shapiro that has a really good overview of everything that happened.
00:29:21
So I used a lot of his information and I just wanted to give him props for that.
00:29:25
And it happened, he wrote it in 2010. So there's a little bit of an update since then.
00:29:29
Great. But so we're in Erie, Pennsylvania. I looked this up on my favorite murder email
00:29:35
to see if anyone had talked about it. And it's from their town. And a girl named Jessica A said,
00:29:40
the winters are terrible and the summers are filled with water sports on the lake
00:29:43
and lots and lots of drinking. In fact, you will find either a church or a bar at every corner,
00:29:49
which I think describes the town really well All right August 28th 2003 at 2 PM a 46 local man named Ryan Wells walks into a PNC bank in Erie and passes the teller a note
00:30:06
The note says, gather employees with access codes to the vault and work fast to fill this bag with $25,000.
00:30:15
You only have 15 minutes. Then he lifts his shirt to show the teller a handcuff-like collar attached to his neck.
00:30:23
and according to the note, it's a bomb. Oh, fuck. The bomb's like a DIY homemade device.
00:30:29
It's got a metal collar attached around Wells' neck like a handcuff and there are two,
00:30:35
there are keyholes and a combination lock as well as baking timers and two six inch pipe bombs.
00:30:41
Oh, baking timers. Yeah. You mean like the white ones that you turn that your mom's like,
00:30:47
you have five minutes sitting in that chair? I love that it's never used for banking.
00:30:51
It's for fucking punished baking. It's for punishing your children. Yes, exactly.
00:30:54
Or just being like, oh, I have to do something in 10 minutes at that timer. Nobody bakes.
00:30:59
That is, okay, how disturbing as you're that teller, you stayed up really late the night before drinking wine with your friends,
00:31:06
you roll in, you're like, I'm going to power through this day. Yeah. And I'll be fine.
00:31:10
Yeah. Because I'm going to go out drinking with my friends again. Yeah. And a guy walks up, I imagine sweating profusely.
00:31:18
Yeah. And like, if a guy walks up to you and you're a teller and passes you a note,
00:31:21
you're like fuck it's not gonna say like hey how are you next i lost my voice i'm elvis i lost my
00:31:26
voice i'm here to withdraw some cookies yeah and um no no no it's all bad always bad with a note
00:31:32
yeah um always bad with a guy that has to pull up a shirt to prove a point and he's like clearly
00:31:37
there's something bulging in his shirt collar yeah and he has he has a shirt on his neck is
00:31:44
really thick yeah it looks i bet it would look like he has a like a trache tracheotomy tracheotomy
00:31:50
kind of it kind of looked like that um and he has like two shirts on and the shirt over it and it
00:31:55
says the shirt says guests it's like a guest brand shirt no which is like fits the are you being
00:32:00
sarcastic I fucking swear to god I fucking swear stop hypothesizing and let you tell the story no
00:32:05
please that's the show just the the visual of like that but like the jerry-rigged baking timer
00:32:13
and then but there was also a couple magnetic letters from his refrigerator and I mean, you know what I mean? And a pipe cleaner and some old gum. Yeah. Stuff to the,
00:32:23
okay. Yes. I don't know who the victim is. I don't know who's guilty. And I'm saying things
00:32:26
like that. Well, it's okay. Cause here we go. Okay. Um, so the teller is only able to give
00:32:31
Brian $8,700 because there isn't a way to get into the vault at that time. Like there wasn't
00:32:37
enough people there. So the baking timer goes off and then you suddenly smell cookies.
00:32:42
second in line. Hey, excuse me. Those are mine. Pulls a cookie out of his neck handcuff. Yeah.
00:32:50
And says, thanks for doing business. But he does do, and I'm not fucking kidding.
00:32:54
He takes the money and leaves and he grabs a dum-dum lollipop on his way out. Oh,
00:32:58
puts it in his mouth. Okay. So he's not as stressed as maybe. That's what you would think.
00:33:03
Okay. Or he's really stressed and he needs something to occupy him. I relate. Doubtful
00:33:08
though. Well, I just feel like if you think you're about to blow up. Yeah. And look, I love candy.
00:33:16
I don't think it would be. You're not like, I'm going to blow up. Oh, dum-dums. Oh my God.
00:33:21
You know, when you get these for Halloween, you get like 10 of them at a time. You stuff them all
00:33:25
in your mouth at once because then it's like a real lollipop. I would just eat it fast and then
00:33:29
use the stick as a cigarette. Yeah. Just stand around fake smoking. Look how good I look smoking.
00:33:35
Guys. All right. Maybe that guy needed a cigarette. Meaning that was the closest.
00:33:40
That's what it is. And he was like, I probably can't smoke around a bomb. Those things probably don't go hand in hand.
00:33:45
There might be gasoline in this. Definitely. I don't know how bombs are made. You pour gasoline on them?
00:33:50
I don't know. About 15 minutes after he walks out, state troopers spot Brian Wells.
00:33:56
That's his name. Standing outside of his, guess what kind of car he has. If you get this right, I'm going to barf.
00:34:02
Is it a Le Mans? No, it's that. I don't know. It's like some kind of pseudo fancy car.
00:34:07
No, it's a Geo Metro. Oh, remember those? Second only to the Yugo in bad cars. It's for you young kids. It's just, it's just like the first hatchback and those aren't cool.
00:34:21
It's like a Fiat that gave up on itself. It's like an 80s hatchback. But this is 2003. I don't know.
00:34:28
Wait, he had a Geo Metro in 2003? Yeah. Maybe he was an antique shitty car collector.
00:34:33
Do you know what he actually was? What? A pizza delivery man. Oh. Yeah. Okay. So you can see a pizza delivery man having that car.
00:34:40
Yeah. But the tires have absolutely no tread on them once in a while. They're like all, what's the ones in the back?
00:34:48
Oh, like the replacement tires? Yeah, they're all replacement tires. They're all spares.
00:34:50
Yeah, they're all spares. Four spares on a Geo Metro. I'm sorry we're making fun of this guy, but it'll be okay and you'll find out why.
00:34:56
Okay. You'll find out why at the end it actually gets really fucking bad. Yeah, I bet it gets bad in the middle.
00:35:01
It gets really bad. Okay. So they apprehend him. They cut his hands behind his back.
00:35:07
And then Brian says to them that while out on a pizza delivery, he had been attacked by a group of black men,
00:35:13
because that's everyone's excuse, who claimed, who chained the bomb around his neck at gunpoint
00:35:18
and forced him to rob the bank. Yep. That's how it's done. He says, it's going to go off.
00:35:23
I'm not lying. He's like desperate at this point. It's going to go off. I'm not fucking lying.
00:35:31
Can I just say one thing? Yes, always. My first agent in this business, who was a mastermind and a genius,
00:35:39
one of the first pieces of advice she ever gave me was, whatever people explicitly state to you without you asking them is a lie.
00:35:48
Just immediately reverse it in your head. Like saying? Like if I went to a meeting at a management place and they were like look we don just take whoever and throw it all against the wall and see what happens It like oh you just take whoever Yeah Is that kind of thing where you just have to kind of why would you proclaim this to me if it were true And I didn even ask
00:36:07
you. Yeah, exactly. Or say, I'm not lying. Yes. That means I'm lying. Why would you need to tell
00:36:13
people that if you have a live bomb on your body or that just happened to you? I feel like probably
00:36:19
sociopaths say I'm not lying a lot because they don't expect people to believe. They don't expect
00:36:24
people to be smart enough to be like, I know that that's a line that people say to get them
00:36:30
like, and they just don't think anyone's smart. That's true. I would think that they would be
00:36:35
the kind of people who wouldn't say I'm not lying is almost just like a try. And I don't
00:36:39
think they try. I think they're just like so balls out. Yeah. That they're just like,
00:36:43
I'm not nervous. Therefore you're never going to ask me a question in the first place.
00:36:47
Right. And if you ask me, I'm going to tell you. Okay. You're going to believe me. All right. I'm
00:36:51
not lying. So the officers call the bomb squad and they take their positions behind their cars.
00:36:56
Their guns are drawn and they leave Brian sitting in the middle of the street cross-legged, handcuffed
00:37:02
behind his back with his bomb around his neck and he's in the middle of the road just sitting there. Okay.
00:37:08
There's a video of all this and okay. I'll tell you in a second. For 25 minutes while
00:37:14
news crews, people are filming there. He's laying in the street? He's sitting cross
00:37:20
like in the street, kind of like slumped in the street. He's kind of fidgeting and stuff.
00:37:27
So they're sitting there for 25 minutes. Then out of nowhere, the device starts to beep.
00:37:31
Uh-oh. Beep, beep. And you see him, it's all on video. You see him kind of look down and start to struggle
00:37:38
like he's trying to get away from the caller. And then it fucking goes off. No. Yeah.
00:37:43
No. There is video on this and they don't warn you that they're about to show it.
00:37:49
and so I saw it and I got really and having to look this up and look at video and news stuff I
00:37:55
I just kept having to turn my head away because it's so awful and he fucking dies that's horrifying
00:38:01
so you know this guy dies and you see this bomb go off and people really watching it live
00:38:06
and see this happen fuck I I'm so surprised yeah okay um I he he looked surprised too that it was
00:38:16
even going off, meaning I don't think he thought it was real. And it detonates a loud explosion
00:38:21
blowing into his face. He falls back onto the ground. He dies almost instantly. I believe
00:38:27
the bomb had ripped a huge hole in his chest. Three minutes later, bomb squad arrives.
00:38:34
Oh no. I know. So later the police search his car and they find handwritten notes that were addressed
00:38:41
to the bomb hostage. And they say, one of them says, there's only one way you can survive
00:38:46
and that is to cooperate completely. This powerful booby-trapped bomb can be removed only by following our instructions.
00:38:53
Act now, think later, or you will die. Sorry, handwritten notes to this guy? Yeah, so it's basically,
00:39:00
they're handwritten notes to Brian. I thought that meant his handwritten. No, yeah, someone else had written these notes to him.
00:39:06
They were in his car. So the police had caught him. It was almost like a scavenger hunt,
00:39:10
But he had to rob the bank, then go to these certain places to get the keys, give them the money, that sort of thing.
00:39:17
Right. But police had caught him in the middle of the scavenger hunt. So they tried to finish the scavenger hunt themselves and find the notes.
00:39:27
But someone had removed the remaining notes after Brian had been killed. So they found the places where they were supposed to be, but there wasn't anything else there.
00:39:35
And sorry, was that like the video you watched or whatever, was that shown live on the news?
00:39:39
It had to have been because people were talking about having watched it. Fuck. Yeah.
00:39:44
Sitting there with their kids probably. And it was like three o'clock something.
00:39:48
So there must've been kids after school watching that. A hundred percent. How traumatized are those children?
00:39:52
It's the worst. I watched it and I was, I am a little fucked up from it. No, you can't like, yeah.
00:39:57
It's that kind of shit. You have to be so careful. And paired for. Yeah. All right.
00:40:04
They trace Brian's last pizza delivery on the day of his death, which is when he said he got attacked.
00:40:09
They found that his last order was to be delivered on the outskirts of the city at a local, at a location of, it ended up being a TV transmission tower where the address was.
00:40:20
And they could tell by the scuff marks in the dirt that that's where the collar had been attached.
00:40:24
But he was supposed to be off right before that call came in to order the pizzas, which was kind of mysterious.
00:40:29
All right. Then cut to September 20th, less than a month after the bomb killed Brian, 59-year-old Bill Rothstein, who was a handyman and lifelong resident in the area, calls 911.
00:40:42
He gave the operator his address and told him there was a frozen body in his garage freezer.
00:40:49
What? Yeah. He told them that, the story, his story was that in mid-August, his ex-girlfriend, Marjorie Deal Armstrong,
00:40:56
called him and told him she had shot her live-in boyfriend, James Roden, in the back
00:41:01
with a Remington 12-gauge shotgun in a dispute over money. And then she asked him to help her clean up
00:41:07
and move the body, which he agreed to. And so the body had been in his freezer for five weeks.
00:41:14
He also melted down the gun and scattered the pieces around the county. Wow. Yeah.
00:41:19
Thorough. Thorough. How do you melt on a gun? I don't even fucking know. Power tools?
00:41:24
I think he was a handyman. Yeah. He's a handyman, so he probably knows a lot about...
00:41:29
He had some fucking welding thing or whatever. Probably put some... I don't know.
00:41:34
You know there's some powder you can probably put on something to make it flammable.
00:41:38
Oh, I think... I've seen things where if you put Diet Coke on a piece of meat...
00:41:42
Oh. Why do I... Stop it. I got so excited. Isn't that a thing? It is. but I'm sure it doesn't melt guns.
00:41:49
I'm almost positive. Let's try it. Let's see. Steven get your gun out Just shoots both of us Wouldn that be hilarious They told me I have it on tape It such a weird ending to that podcast because everyone liked Steven But it turns out he really didn like those girls
00:42:06
Was it just fictional, the whole podcast? Now we have to go back and listen again.
00:42:09
The whole thing was a play. And they used to write down all the times we yelled at Steven.
00:42:13
Slowly building the rage in Steven. And you can hear him breathing in the background
00:42:17
harder and harder every week. Meanwhile, he has both hands over his face, laughing like a little...
00:42:23
Bright red. little Japanese girl just giggling giggling. Stephen um okay so he tells them he just couldn't
00:42:34
go with the final plan which was to grind the body up so he called 911 he was afraid of what
00:42:38
she might do to him. So he says he was so distraught that he had even considered killing
00:42:44
himself rather than turning himself in and he had written a suicide note in which he said who the
00:42:49
body was in the freezer when he didn't kill him, it says, nor participate in the death.
00:42:53
And then the note ended with, this has nothing to do with the Wells case. Oh, no.
00:42:59
For no reason says that in the note because he lived behind the TV transmission spot.
00:43:06
Uh-oh. Yeah. Okay. Now look at my theory, how it's been completely reversed right in my face.
00:43:12
Which is what now? This, it's the, the first guy going, the victim saying, I'm not lying.
00:43:19
And then my theory is that's because he's lying. Well, then this guy is saying this has nothing to do with it.
00:43:24
Out of nowhere. Like he hadn't even been questioned about it. Yeah, don't bring it up.
00:43:30
No. BTW. No. So obviously what my research reveals is that there's no hard and fast rule about statements.
00:43:39
Or is there? Because we are not done yet. Oh, shit. And turns all over at that place.
00:43:45
um they made a movie 30 minutes or less yes that came out like 2011 my friend reuben fleischer
00:43:53
directed that oh nice well they think it's like loosely based on this so there'll be twists and
00:43:58
turns oh wow okay don't worry i haven't seen it so i don't really know but um all right so here's
00:44:03
a little bit about marjorie the woman who killed her uh boyfriend so in 19 she's fucking in 1984
00:44:10
she's 35 she's charged with murdering her then boyfriend robert thomas rob thomas isn't he
00:44:15
from Matchbox 20. Yeah. Like just hit me. She claims she shot him six times in self-defense.
00:44:21
As you know how you shoot someone six times in self-defense. Yes. Well, just to really finish it off.
00:44:25
Just to kill the shit out of them. She's very OCD. She wanted to finish all the bullets in the gun.
00:44:30
Right. Sorry. This is the same woman who had the body in the freezer? Yeah. This is the body in the freezer woman.
00:44:35
This is a different relationship. Yes. Okay. Years before. Okay. A jury acquits her.
00:44:40
And then four years later, her husband, Richard Armstrong, wrong, dies up to cerebral hemorrhage. Nope. Those two words together. Cerebral hemorrhage.
00:44:51
Yeah. And when he got to the hospital, he had had a head injury, but the death is still ruled
00:44:57
accidental and never followed up with by the coroner, which head injuries and cerebral
00:45:01
hemorrhaging don't go. That's not a thing. They don't go together? No. Yeah. Yeah. Cerebral
00:45:07
hemorrhaging means your brain is bleeding, which means someone hit you really fucking hard on the
00:45:11
head or something. Doesn't hemorrhaging just happen though too? Like the way when people
00:45:16
have a stroke or something like that? Oh, I do. I feel I look, look, look, listen,
00:45:23
neither of us are going to claim we're right. My assumption as a doctor is no, I just think
00:45:31
hemorrhaging can happen in any kind of a way. It's not specific to just like an aneurysm.
00:45:37
An aneurysm is when you're like a vessel in your brain explodes and then usually you die.
00:45:44
Okay. So yeah. Hemorrhaging. That sounds right. Okay. Please doctors, please tell us how to do this podcast.
00:45:50
The best way to let us know about something is to scream at us on Twitter. I just want everyone to know that's the only time we listen.
00:45:57
That's right. Is screaming on Twitter. With our hearts. We're doctors. Let's see.
00:46:03
Death is ruled accidental. So Marjorie is like extremely smart, but she suffers from bipolar disorder and she's found to be paranoid and narcissistic.
00:46:14
In 1984, they found 400 pounds of butter and more than 700 pounds of cheese rotting inside her house.
00:46:21
Sorry. This is from the Wired article. What's happening? Can I repeat this? 400.
00:46:26
So I think she was a hoarder. So 400 pounds of butter. How much is that? It's so much.
00:46:30
Well, a pound of butter is the four cubes. Okay. It's a pound of butter. So she had 400 of those and 700 pounds of cheese.
00:46:39
I mean, that's just a dream come true. I mean, what kind of cheese? If we're talking about fucking Kraft singles, I'm out.
00:46:44
If she had it stored somewhere, it's Velveeta. Cause you can, you can leave that like in a warm room for two years and nothing will happen.
00:46:50
It's plastic. Could I tell you what Vince made me for dinner last night? Because I was like, oh, I forgot to tell you this too.
00:46:55
Damn it. Can I get on a gross food tangent real quick? Okay. So last night, Vince, Vince brought home.
00:47:01
He did the thing of, I've been craving this thing from childhood. And I was like playing along, like, I'll try it with you, baby.
00:47:07
So he made me a bologna and American cheese sandwich on white bread. Yes. With mustard.
00:47:12
I used to have them every single day. It was great. We never had, like, we never got to have any of that good stuff.
00:47:18
Yeah. So I had that. Nitrates. Yeah. Sometimes he'll fry up the bologna. Wow. I know.
00:47:23
But what happened, and this is just, I'm explaining who Vince is. On like Saturday, I picked him up after a thing and we were both hungry.
00:47:29
And I was like, where should we go? and I always am like, no, I don't want to go there.
00:47:33
And like, we go where I want to go. But he was like, he was like this place, this place or this place.
00:47:38
And I was like, okay, baby, you pick which I was being nice. Like, I'm just trying to not be a fucking asshole anymore.
00:47:43
Good, good. Yeah. And that effort. Yeah. So we went to the Olive Garden for brunch on Saturday.
00:47:52
How do you feel about that? All I see is like a bunch of Italian spices mixed into shit that I don't want there. That's the first thing I think of. You are a hundred percent
00:48:04
correct. He ordered, they had a thing called an Italian margarita. He ordered it. The guy at the
00:48:10
bar was just like such a sassy, funny person. And he put it in front of the margarita, he put a
00:48:15
margarita in front of him. And then he put down a little like shot glass of amaretto and he goes,
00:48:19
that's what makes it Italian. I was just like, Oh, I love you. It was so great. But they have a nice little soup and salad deal. Anyways, at the end.
00:48:29
Don't them was breadsticks, right? Yeah. Come on. The salad's actually good. On the way out, a girl stops me and she goes,
00:48:35
don't I know you? And I did the, oh, searching for my brain. And she goes, just kidding. I'm a
00:48:39
huge fan. So she was a waiter, a waitress there. And she was just like, really cool.
00:48:46
Great. That's it. I got recognized at the Olive Garden. Hell yes. Because I was at the Olive Garden.
00:48:51
Hell yes. Because when you're there, you're family. I was family. Nice. So thank you.
00:48:56
Don't I recognize? You're my aunt. Yeah. Oh, hi. Oh my God, hi. Nice to see you.
00:49:01
Aunt Carol. Oh, all right. 700 pounds of cheese rotting inside her house. Fuck. Okay.
00:49:08
Sorry, go ahead. Yes. Because you can't even get that from a store. It's not like you can go to an Indivance
00:49:13
or whatever your local chain is called and be like, that's all the butter that they have for the month, essentially.
00:49:20
And they, yeah. What's she doing? Do you know how she got it? No. nothing about it it's rotting
00:49:26
can you imagine the smell does butter even rot? it does like it turns but it takes a long time
00:49:32
you can leave it out on the counter and it won't go bad for a while we always refrigerate our butter which I hate
00:49:38
cold butter? you can put it on a plate as long as it's covered on the counter what are we talking about?
00:49:43
I don't fucking know someone is dead so many people are so I wrote so in capital
00:49:52
because I think I knew we were going to go on this tangent. So back to the, okay.
00:49:57
In fact, when preparing to be tried in the shooting death of her first ex, psychiatrists deemed her mentally incompetent
00:50:04
seven times before they finally ruled she was allowed to be tried, which I feel like seven times means
00:50:09
you are not ever going to be mentally. And that's such a hard thing to do because everyone's like, I'm mentally ill.
00:50:15
That's why I killed this person. Oh, trying to get out of it. Yeah. And they're like, bullshit.
00:50:19
But sorry, they kept on saying she was mentally incompetent and couldn't stand trial.
00:50:23
And then they finally were like, wait, no, on the eighth time she is? She's better now.
00:50:27
Oh, got it. No, but yeah, that's ridiculous. Got it. So I wrote, so on September 21st of 2003, Marjorie Deal Armstrong is arrested for the
00:50:37
murder of her most recent ex, the freezer guy, James Roden. Okay. She pleads guilty but mentally ill, but she's still sentenced to seven to 20 years in state
00:50:45
prison for that murder. Three months after she goes to prison in April of 2005, so I might have the dates wrong, federal agents investigating the collar bomb mystery.
00:50:57
They're still like, what the fuck happened? The handwriting analysis of the fucking notes are baffled.
00:51:02
They just don't understand why this scavenger hunt was part of it. It doesn't make any sense to them.
00:51:08
They're called from the state police officer who has just met with Marjorie in prison.
00:51:15
She tells them that the murder of her most recent ex-boyfriend actually had nothing to do with money,
00:51:21
but instead was part of the collar bomb plot. So they didn't even know she was involved at this point.
00:51:26
She just came forward with that? She says, she's like, can I just exchange that piece of information for a stick of butter?
00:51:28
Yeah. Okay. I just want to put it under my pillow. They only have margarine here.
00:51:37
It's driving me insane. I need some rotten butter. Well, what she actually wants besides just butter is a transfer from the state pen where she's in to a minimum security spot much closer to Erie.
00:51:49
And if they do that, she'll tell them everything she knows. So she begins by telling them that she was not, of course, I'm not involved in any way in the plot, but she admits that she knew about it and that she supplied the kitchen timers.
00:52:03
So she's the baker or the punisher of children. When they were trying to fingerprint that kitchen timer, they were just like, there's no fingerprints, but it is coated in butter.
00:52:14
There's like so much butter all over it. We need to find the butter culprit. The butter bomber.
00:52:21
Butter bomber. It's even better. Butter. She tells them that the actual mastermind beholden the whole plot was Bill Rothstein, the dude who lived behind the TV tower who turned her in for murder.
00:52:31
but Bill Rothstein had died of lymphoma about a year earlier in July, 2004. So they can't fucking question him.
00:52:38
She also tells the feds that Brian Williams wasn't just the victim, but had been in on the planning from the beginning.
00:52:45
The guy that actually blew up in the bomb? Yeah. Okay. Twists and turns. Yeah. Keep talking.
00:52:52
So he did what he said. I'm not lying. He was lying. You were right. Oh, thank God.
00:52:57
That's why I was like, hold up. that theory was right twice. Yes. Nice. Okay. Okay.
00:53:05
So according to Marjorie, Brian Wells, the victim had agreed to rob the bank wearing what he thought was a fake collar bomb.
00:53:12
The scavenger hunt, he was told was simply a ruse to fool the cops. If he got caught,
00:53:16
he could say like, well, look at these instructions as evidence that he was only following orders.
00:53:21
But at some point, Brian Wells, and you don't hear this phrase very often is double crossed.
00:53:27
Yes. The fake bomb is switched out to be a real one, which he didn't know until it was strapped to his neck.
00:53:32
They held him down at gunpoint because when he got to the TV station with the pizzas,
00:53:36
he realized it was real and tried to run and they grabbed him and held him down at gunpoint.
00:53:40
Okay, wait. So did he not know? Is it Marjorie? Yeah. Marjorie and the guy that died of Lomboma.
00:53:48
Rothstein. He didn't know them before? He knew them. Oh, okay. They had all planned this thing and agreeing that it was going to be a fake bomb So he drove there as if it like I delivering pizzas to this place Right the whole thing is him being tricked He was in on that thinking it be a fake bomb Got it They are like it a real bomb Get over here
00:54:06
It all falls together because then that fucking dum-dum part makes perfect sense.
00:54:11
Right. Okay. And I think even when thinking, when thinking about the dum-dum, the way he
00:54:16
panicked when the beeping went off is he didn't even know that it was fake until the beeping went
00:54:20
off. That's what I think. Yes. Because you mean that it was real? Yeah. Cause even him saying,
00:54:25
I'm not lying. He's lying. He thinks it's not real. And I think they're telling him this. I
00:54:31
don't know why she's telling him this, but I don't believe that. So why? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So, um,
00:54:38
they strap it to his neck at gunpoint. The FBI had already concluded they had checked out the
00:54:43
bomb and that it was rigged. So at any attempt to remove it at all, it would have set it off.
00:54:47
So he was destined, he was going to die no matter what. Then in late 2005, a few months after Marjorie first talked to the feds, a witness comes forward
00:54:56
and says that an ex-television repairman turned crack dealer named Kenneth Barnes was also
00:55:02
involved. Barnes was already in jail on unrelated drug charges. So when threatened with more time behind bars, he agrees to a deal.
00:55:09
He would give the full account, blah, blah, blah, reduce sentence. He confirms that Marjorie was,
00:55:15
he says, which is what other people were coming forward and saying Marjorie was the mastermind
00:55:19
behind the collar bomb plot. He claims she needed the cash so she could pay him to kill her father
00:55:25
for inheritance money. Jesus Christ. I know. In Erie, Pennsylvania. She's just...
00:55:30
She's like a black widow. Yeah. So he sentenced, DeVarn's a sentence to 45 years behind bars,
00:55:38
but he agrees to testify against Marjorie. he also explains brian well's reasoning why he even got in on the plot for money um he needed
00:55:47
the money because he had developed a relationship with a sex worker and he had devised a scheme
00:55:51
where he he was like i'm gonna sell crack because i need the money to be with her i think he was like
00:55:56
in love with her um but he had fallen into debt with a crack dealer it's for love which is like
00:56:01
so sweet and then one of the articles it's like he was a drug dealer and it's like well he wasn't
00:56:05
When you call him a drug dealer, you're not, you know, explaining the intricacies, which sounds like a fucking movie.
00:56:11
Look, if you're selling crack to people, you're a drug dealer. It doesn't matter what your motives are.
00:56:16
You're correct. You can be a cold hearted snake or you can be. You are correct. You could be the most nicest romantic person.
00:56:25
If you're selling drugs. Because also it's not like he's selling pot. So he's getting 60 bucks a hit.
00:56:30
He's like probably making fucking bank. And these people who are crack addicts are ruining their lives.
00:56:36
So he's helping them ruin their lives. Yes, exactly. Aiding and abetting. And then also on top of that,
00:56:41
so that he can fuck a lady who probably doesn't give a shit one way or the other about him.
00:56:46
Right. Otherwise she wouldn't be charging him probably. One would like to think that it would go into a Julia Roberts movie kind of direction.
00:56:53
Right. Where she then does actually kiss him on the mouth. Oh my God. Why am I being romantic about this?
00:57:00
Well, you probably got involved in your reading. I'm just counterpointing. I just want to know Brian Wells more.
00:57:06
Like I feel he probably wasn't the sharpest needle in the tack. I knew I wasn't going to get that right.
00:57:14
So I just kept going with it. You know what I mean? That was like a straight up Yogi Berra style quote.
00:57:20
I took all of the things. Calling someone else dumb. Like mixing metaphors. Oh, man.
00:57:30
So yeah, I don't know. To me, he's the, he's the, he lost the most. He's not some mastermind.
00:57:36
He's not like. Yeah. He got duped pretty hard for a reason that, you know, he didn't understand was okay.
00:57:45
He also testified that Marjorie's ex, whose body was the freezer body, was also in on the crime.
00:57:51
The reason he had been killed was because he threatened to tell the feds, not because of money.
00:57:54
Oh, wow. So that's why his freezer body happened. Okay. When Marjorie took the stand on her own trial, she's fucking ranting and raving.
00:58:00
She's like, she's bananas. She's butter crazy. She's butter crazy. She claims to have never met Brian Wells in his, Brian Wells, the victim, even though
00:58:09
he testified that she had even measured his neck for the collar bomb. The jury didn't believe her.
00:58:15
She's voted guilty of armed, voted guilty of armed robbery. I wrote that, I wrote it voted guilty.
00:58:22
And I'm like, I'll figure that out once you're there. So I just read it off the paper.
00:58:26
I mean, technically you're right. They voted her. They get voted guilty. Guilty of armed bank robbery conspiracy
00:58:31
using a destructive device and a crime of violence. She died on April of this year, actually,
00:58:35
as 86 years old of natural causes. 86? Yeah, so she died in 2017 in April. Whoa.
00:58:41
Yeah, when we were just hanging out, thinking anything was whatever, and then she's dying.
00:58:47
All right, last part. And this is also from Wired. Retired FBI criminal investigators,
00:58:52
who you know are the fucking coolest people in the world. I want to have a drink with him.
00:58:55
Jim Fisher, this guy, thinks that there's no way that Marjorie planned the collar bomb heist. He, based on the FBI suspect
00:59:03
profile, which they had before anyone got in trouble for this, he thinks Bill Rothstein was
00:59:08
the mastermind. He was a handyman with the skills to create a homemade bomb. And because he, and it
00:59:14
wasn't about money, he thinks. He had never accomplished much in his life. He wanted to show
00:59:19
how brilliant he was by, quote, executing a crime that would grab headlines across the globe and
00:59:24
baffle authorities for years. He recruited conspirators he knew he could control and kept
00:59:30
crucial details of the plot from them, a tactic designed to further complicate the investigation.
00:59:34
Wow. So he thinks he was just fucking with his head. Like I kind of reminded me of the guy from
00:59:38
S-Town that they... I still haven't listened to it. Well, people who have listened to S-Town,
00:59:43
the mass, this guy was like this brilliant dude. Yeah. It kind of reminds me of that.
00:59:49
In the end, says Jim Fisher, the son of a bitch ended up winning. huh well not so much because i never heard this case before yeah but he went we are talking about it now He won by dying a free man Yes that true
01:00:05
And baffling the shit. And they still don't really understand how and what happened.
01:00:09
Which isn't a victory because that just means you went crazy. You victimized a bunch of people and it doesn't make sense why you did it.
01:00:18
That's not like to your genius credit. No, I think that's fucked up. what he specifically wanted, which again is not a genius move. It's like...
01:00:28
For me, like the kitchen timer right there proves that he's not a genius. Yeah. Like get one of those LED digital readout timers or get the fuck out of town.
01:00:37
Well, I think what he wanted to prove is he could fucking make a bomb in his whatever garage
01:00:40
out of anything. You know, those people who like to take things apart and put them back together
01:00:45
just to see how they work instead of reading a fucking book and just chilling out, take a nap.
01:00:49
yeah I guess that's true well that was fascinating I'd say look at the picture of him sitting
01:00:56
in the middle of the road go nowhere near the video of him getting blown up in fact I want you to see the picture kind of
01:01:02
Steven can you pull that up just to see it's just this like clear afternoon news story
01:01:07
of him sitting there they're not too close I can totally picture it he looks almost like a mannequin sitting there
01:01:14
it's just like this still body not dead I'm talking about when he's... He was just waiting.
01:01:20
Yeah. So was that the whole bomb squad thing? They were just waiting for the bomb squad to show up.
01:01:24
Yeah. He was just sitting on the curb. And they were calling the bomb squad, but also they weren't sure if he was even in on it.
01:01:29
So they had their guns drawn on him. Yeah, that one. Go look up the picture. It's like a bummer, obviously.
01:01:39
It looks like when someone gets stopped at a traffic thing and then they go to arrest him.
01:01:43
Yeah. It looks like that. Like he's an unruly drunk driver. Yeah. What's that? Do you know what his shirt says or what?
01:01:49
Says guess. Oh, that's the guess thing. Yeah. And they think that's part of it. It's like Bill Rothstein put a shirt on him that says guess.
01:01:57
That's fucked up. I know. Wow. That's a good one. Thank you. It's so weird because I saw this like it was from 2003.
01:02:03
I think I saw maybe a City Confidential or a 2020 like pretty immediately after it happened.
01:02:07
So no one still knew what was going on. And it just stuck with me. And it was one of those ones where I was like, everyone knows this one.
01:02:14
So I'm not going to do it. and then I was like, maybe they don't. So... I mean, the one I thought
01:02:19
it was, was there's an I survived about a woman who gets home invaded. It's her and her daughter.
01:02:25
Right. And they put a bomb on her and make her go rob a bank and they're like, if you say
01:02:29
anything, it's the same exact thing, but she really was, you know, she was a victim and survived it.
01:02:35
They ended up getting off her. Yeah. Oh, good. Yeah. I know. Okay, we're back. Are there
01:02:45
any updates on this one? I have some updates. So in Netflix four-part docuseries called Evil
01:02:50
Genius, the true story of America's most diabolical bank heist, Jessica Hoopsick, a woman who claimed
01:02:57
to be Brian Wells's friend, confessed that she set Wells up to participate in the crime by providing
01:03:03
his name and delivery schedule to one of the conspirators in exchange for money and drugs.
01:03:10
So, I mean, that's just huge. Investigators say Hoopsick was uncooperative after the deadly heist in 2003.
01:03:17
They had long suspected her involvement, but didn't have enough evidence to build a case against her.
01:03:22
So that's pretty interesting. Inside job, basically. Yeah, it makes a lot more sense now because the story was just so convoluted.
01:03:31
It was crazy. It was so shocking and insane and on video. Yeah. The video of him sitting in the middle of the intersection.
01:03:41
So bad. It's so fucking traumatizing. I mean, Jesus. It's horrible. Speaking of traumatizing, let's get into your story.
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I don't know what that voice was. This story is, I've been trying to do it for a really long time.
01:06:37
But because I've been reading an Anne Rule book about this serial killer. And, but then I think Frank ate the back half of the book.
01:06:48
It turned into a thing where then I had, I was trying to find the book again. And whatever.
01:06:53
I think we should make, for new listeners, Frank is her dog. It's not her boyfriend.
01:06:57
That's right. Who's fucking eating the best cover. I have a really nervous boyfriend named Frank.
01:07:02
He doesn't like when I learn things. He doesn't like when I leave the house. But the first chapter of this book is one of the most hook you in and you can't stop reading chapters.
01:07:14
It's Anne Rule. I know. I've been meaning to read a new one by her. Yeah. This is a great one.
01:07:19
I had bought one at the airport on the last tour. that was a bunch of different stories
01:07:25
kind of all put together. But I realized that like, that's a little bit too depressing
01:07:30
because it's just almost like the same thing over and over again. Yeah, and I like her thoughts on it and stuff.
01:07:34
Yeah, I think I enjoy like the full thing more. But the cool thing about Ann Rule
01:07:39
is that she just goes so far into the victim's lives. So you get all that information.
01:07:44
So if anybody, if this is an interesting story, Ann Rule wrote a book called Lust Killer
01:07:49
and it's about this guy. but this is the best part. So I texted Steven yesterday. I was like, can you please get me a
01:07:57
chronology of this guy so that I can get ahead on this story? And so he looked up and found
01:08:02
this chronology that was put together by some people in the department of psychology at Radford
01:08:08
University in Radford, Virginia. And those people are Mike Keefe, Audrey Mangrum, I was going to say
01:08:15
Magnum, Audrey Mangrum, Kimberly Mast, Heather McGinn, Ryan Miller, Kristen Puchot, Nicole
01:08:21
Newsom, and Vicki Tanner. A lot of ladies. So many ladies. It doesn't say if they are like
01:08:28
students. It doesn't say who they are in the department or whatever, but they put together,
01:08:32
it's like an Excel spreadsheet of the years and then the significant like moments in this guy's
01:08:39
life, which is a lifesaver for doing a show like this. I, yeah, I need that. Yeah. So many times.
01:08:46
We need it every GD week. And then you said you have to read 1800 articles to find that,
01:08:50
which is fine and fine. It's good. But then when you have a spine like this, these guys did amazing
01:08:55
work, really good. It's just very great detail work where sometimes when you're reading a story,
01:09:00
if you read two articles, the second one contradicts the first one, then you're like,
01:09:04
well, did he join the army or not? Like it's that thing. I always am like, well, the first one said
01:09:08
this so I believe it. It's just the first one I picked to read. It's not like, I'm lying about
01:09:12
this guy. Wikipedia overall. Alright. Okay, so it's Jerry Brudos, the shoe fetish
01:09:18
slayer. You've seen there's one million all true crime shows about him and there's a law and order
01:09:24
that's basically his story. So, Jerry Brudos is born January 31st, 1939. Sorry, what's his name? I didn't hear that. Jerry Brudos
01:09:32
is born on January 31st, 1939 in Webster, South Dakota. And it turns out um he was an accident and his mother wanted a girl so uh they lived on a farm when he
01:09:47
was five they moved to portland oregon and they basically move it looks like every two to five
01:09:52
years his whole childhood and into his adult life which sucks and also it doesn't say this anywhere
01:09:59
at all that my theory is his dad was an alcoholic or somebody in the family was an alcoholic where
01:10:03
they had to just keep leaving town and starting over. Right. But also they, I think he starts,
01:10:09
his dad starts out as a farmer and it might just be that they're trying to, he's trying to basically be a migrant farmer
01:10:15
and like go to the new place where you can make money. Follow the money. But every two years, it's just so disruptive.
01:10:22
Yeah. And it's fucked up. So sad. But anyway, so one day he's wandering around alone
01:10:29
at the junkyard when he's five years old. As you do. And he finds a pair of open-toed spike-heeled shoes.
01:10:37
And he is obsessed. No. Yes, this is his jam. He puts them on. He probably never sees women wearing that kind of thing
01:10:45
where he's from maybe. Like his mom probably doesn't wear shit like that. I don't know.
01:10:49
Yeah. But he goes crazy. He plays with them. He takes them home. His mom finds them and goes berserk on him
01:10:57
and is like screaming whatever and like never touch these again. you're not supposed to touch, you're not supposed to like this, whatever.
01:11:02
Which is a great way to get your kid to be really into something. Yeah. Hi. Hi, we know that.
01:11:07
So let's take a five-year-old and be like, this is forbidden. Right. And then see what happens.
01:11:11
You don't understand why it's forbidden? Yeah. Yeah. Eventually he kept finding them and she would take them away from him.
01:11:18
Finally, she burned them symbolically for him. Perfect. When he's six, they move to Riverton, California, and he's in the first grade.
01:11:30
His teacher wore high heel shoes and kept another pair in the classroom. So he tried to steal them one day
01:11:36
so he could take them home. But another kid in the class saw him and told on him.
01:11:41
So from first grade, this is like a very, very early age. He fails second grade.
01:11:49
He is diagnosed with measles, sore throat, swollen glands, laryngitis. He has frequent headaches that actually leave
01:12:00
him unable to see clearly. Oh my God. So he's got some stuff going on, but also all of those,
01:12:05
um, illnesses that he has, it makes me go like, were you not taken care of very well?
01:12:10
You're not fed well. Did you not sleep correct? You know, like, why would you just be constantly
01:12:15
sick? Um, so in 1947, when he's eight years old, the family moves to Grants Pass, Oregon,
01:12:23
and next door there's a house that has, I think it's three teenage girls. Right.
01:12:31
So they have a little brother and Jerry starts sneaking into that house with the brother to steal these girls' underwear.
01:12:41
Oh my God. First they play in the clothes, then he discovers the underwear. So it goes from shoes to undergarments.
01:12:49
a couple years later the family moves again to Wallace Pond because Jerry's father is getting back into
01:12:58
farming and when he's going through puberty his mother is disgusted by anything sexual
01:13:07
that Jerry does if he has a wet dream she makes him wash his sheets by hand there's a lot of shaming a lot of
01:13:15
sounds like verbal abuse how to create a serial killer yeah i mean uh so he starts to fantasize that he wants to capture a
01:13:27
girl and um make her obey his commands and beg for mercy uh so when he's around 16 um he steals
01:13:37
an 18 year old girl's underwear then he decides that he wants nude pictures of her so he tells her
01:13:44
that he has found out who stole her underwear and to meet her, to meet him at her, at his house.
01:13:50
So the girl goes over to his house and she is there. She's attacked by a masked man
01:13:56
who forces her to take off her clothes and takes pictures of her. And then the man runs away.
01:14:02
And then the girl gets dressed and she goes to leave and she runs into Jerry. And Jerry says,
01:14:09
I was locked in the barn this whole time. What happened? I just saw a guy running out of here in a mask.
01:14:14
The girl runs away, reports the whole thing to police. So essentially he's trying to,
01:14:19
and there was another story, but I could not find it anywhere of him doing that and coming back in and saying
01:14:24
that he was his own twin brother. Oh my God. And that really sorry. It was like one of the first times he did this.
01:14:30
He's really sorry. He basically makes a girl, a young girl his age, take off her clothes, takes pictures of her leaves.
01:14:39
changes his clothes, combs his hair differently, comes in and goes, I'm sorry about my brother,
01:14:44
Jerry. I'm his brother. What a crazy creepy, that like creeps me out. It's so creepy. And of course,
01:14:51
and I think that little girl from the story that I remember didn't report it to the police. It was
01:14:56
just like this weird fucked up thing. So anyway, I know it's, it's, it's, it's also that kind of
01:15:05
indicative of that, the sociopathic thing of I'm smarter than everybody. Like there's no way anyone's
01:15:09
going to find out my, here's my great plan. I'm going to play my own identical twin. Yeah.
01:15:14
Insane. Yeah. This is not full house. Yeah. So, okay. So, um, when he's 17, he lures a girl into his car. He drives her to a deserted farmhouse, beats her up. And by some
01:15:28
miracle, there's a couple that's like sightseeing out in the country and they stop at the same
01:15:34
abandoned farmhouse and they find they'd like walk in on what's happening and call the cops.
01:15:40
So Jerry claims that he'd also stopped to help the girl because they find him and her and she's
01:15:45
tied up. He says, no, I found her that way. I was here to help her. Police don't believe it.
01:15:51
And they finally, they talked to him long enough and he confesses. So he's arrested for assault
01:15:57
and battery and they find in his house and in his car, women's underwear, pictures and photo
01:16:04
equipment um so soon after his arrest they send him to oregon state hospital the psychiatric ward
01:16:10
for nine months um how do you think that that wasn't a fucking vacay probably no a psychiatric
01:16:16
hospital back then what year is it it's 1969 no i believe no no it's fire hose bad news time um
01:16:25
he starts talking to the doctors there about his sexual fantasies his hatred um and revenge
01:16:32
the revenge he wants to take against his mother and women in general. And he's diagnosed with schizophrenia,
01:16:39
which was actually a common thing that would happen back then that wasn't actually an accurate diagnosis.
01:16:46
Blanket diagnosis. Exactly. It was just kind of like you are, what is that called?
01:16:52
I want to say devious, but it's nothing. I was going to say deviant, devious. Yeah, deviant.
01:17:01
That's it. deviant okay i was gonna say that but then you said devious he's a deviant he's a deviant that's
01:17:07
what i was trying to say got it steven i love that you look at me like don't like that can you help
01:17:12
will you try you said the only word i was thinking okay so um so and they also they the things that
01:17:20
he's telling them that he likes they don't they don't know how to classify that there's not a thing
01:17:25
yet yeah exactly um i mean whatever they there might have been but they're basically like slap
01:17:30
schizophrenia on him and like treat him for that which is probably electric shock therapy uh he
01:17:37
still graduates with this high school class in 1957 oh so this is the late 50s it's not even the 60s
01:17:43
um so then he joins the army in 1959 he tells the army psychiatrist about these same obsessions
01:17:51
and the and the psychiatrist has him discharged from the army um so he moves back in with his parents now they live in Corvallis Oregon and he has to live in their shed They make him live out back in the shed I mean he an adult now Can we
01:18:06
please fucking treat him like a human? Or get an apartment. Yeah. I mean, yeah. So one night he's
01:18:14
running an errand and he sees a young girl walking by herself and he decides he's going to follow her.
01:18:22
And he so he basically stalks her, follows her home, attacks her, strangles her until she's unconscious and then steals her shoes.
01:18:31
And that night he slept with the shoes. Oh, my God. This is so creepy. This is nothing.
01:18:38
Oh, no. Yeah. So he becomes an electronics technician in 1961. When he's 21, he gets a job at a radio station.
01:18:47
station. And that's when he meets his future wife, 17 year old Darcy Metzler. Yeah. Darcy run.
01:18:55
Darcy. Um, of course Darcy's parents don't approve of the relationship because she's so young.
01:19:00
And because of that, they're married within a few months of meeting each other. That's how it's like, let's solve this by marrying them.
01:19:07
Yeah. Yes, exactly. Well, it's like, you want to get out of your parents' house anyway. This guy
01:19:11
comes along. Yeah. He loves underwear. You've got to get him. Tie that guy down. Right. Literally.
01:19:21
So they settle in Salem, Oregon. And Jerry's thing is he wants her to do all of her housework in the nude
01:19:29
so he can take pictures of her while she's doing it. She's like, I'm sweating. She's like, I'm swiffering.
01:19:35
Yeah. And she's so young that she's completely kind of under his control. She probably doesn't know
01:19:41
if this is normal or not. Exactly. This is now married life. She's, you know, like, I guess this is what you do
01:19:48
as a wife. And around the same time, he starts complaining that he's getting migraines so bad
01:19:54
that he's blacking out. And that the only thing that helps alleviate those symptoms
01:19:58
is going on night prowling raids to steal shoes and underwear from local women. Everyone who's been taking Advil
01:20:06
for your fucking migraines. We've got a new solution. It's a way creepier solution.
01:20:13
So he would keep all of those trophies. Trophies. Shoes and underwear in a garage that he had built.
01:20:24
It was like a sub-basement that his wife couldn't enter into until she announced her arrival on an intercom.
01:20:32
He was locked down in this basement and she'd have to be like, Honey, can I bring you some Ritz?
01:20:38
um okay so let me put this away real quick yeah he said he has it set up where it's like this is
01:20:45
my man cave you're not allowed down here um so in 1962 they have a daughter but jerry can't hold a
01:20:52
steady job um they move all the time they finally settle back in portland jerry becomes an electrician
01:20:59
in 1967 they have a son so two kids um but his wife won't let him in the delivery room when she's
01:21:05
having the baby, her second baby. And he, he's so hurt by this was what this article was saying,
01:21:15
or like it affected him so much. That's when the raping and the killing starts. Wait, isn't that normal for back then?
01:21:21
Yeah. I mean, I think it's probably, I'm assuming this is his story of him being like,
01:21:26
it pissed me off so much, you know, like that's the wife's fault. I think that's so normal. I think even when my, in the seventies, when my brother was born,
01:21:33
and my dad wasn't allowed in there. Right. But this was the wife's decision. This is what they're saying.
01:21:39
Okay. Yeah. So it makes it sound like he was allowed in for their first child and not this weird thing had happened.
01:21:47
Yeah. So that's why he... That's what he says. Yeah. Of course, it's someone else's fault.
01:21:53
Right. But also, I imagine they've now been married for six years or so. She's probably seen some weird shit
01:22:00
and she's heard some weird shit and there's a whole room she's locked out of all the time.
01:22:05
So she's probably there's, you know, like who knows what her state is. She knows him well enough
01:22:10
that he doesn't want to go in there for the miracle of his child being born. He wants to go in there for something fucking creepy.
01:22:16
Yeah, she doesn't trust it. Right. How unnerving. Oh my God. Like if I see my husband's face when I'm giving birth,
01:22:22
I'm going to cry. I will barf. Barf and cry. I'll barf, cry, and then shit on the table,
01:22:27
which is what everyone does apparently. My friend Michelle Balloon does that. No, I heard that.
01:22:32
It's terrifying. That's the most terrifying part. Okay. So shortly after the childbirth,
01:22:41
he claims that he stalked a woman in Portland, Oregon, followed her home, waited for her to fall asleep,
01:22:47
broke into her house to steal her shoes. But then when she woke up mid robbery and catches him,
01:22:54
he chokes her until she passes out, rapes her, steals her shoes, and then leaves.
01:22:58
so then in January of 1968 and this is the this is the woman who Anne Brühl's book starts with
01:23:08
oh okay I forgot about that part yeah so she starts with this the first murder victim
01:23:14
and her name was Linda Slauson she was selling encyclopedias door to door in the rain in Portland
01:23:23
at night no no no no no no this sounds like a horror movie completely the way this is written it's like she's trying to decide she hasn't had any sales
01:23:33
she's just moved out on her own gonna keep trying maybe the next one yeah she like needs the money
01:23:39
she has to eat like things are getting bad and then there's like one last house that has a light
01:23:43
on and she's like i just want to go home i'll just try this one last time back then they aren't as
01:23:48
scared as we are today and weary no weary of there were so many door-to-door salesmen and women back
01:23:54
them Yeah And you let them in your house and it was and 90 of the time nothing happened That right Just a lot of vacuum sales Right Okay So she goes up and she rings Jerry Brutus doorbell
01:24:08
He is, you see a picture of him. He looks like a cartoon. He looks like the missing friend on King of the Hill.
01:24:15
Like he's just, he looks like grown up Charlie Brown with army issue black glasses on.
01:24:20
Oh, grown up Charlie Brown. Just a big round head. Like pasty. no distinguishing features a little lumpy uh yeah kind of like almost like a bit of a snowman
01:24:30
um just round round round i love the picture in my head i never want to see what he actually
01:24:36
looks like just a vicious snowman okay um okay but he when he answers the door friendly nice low key
01:24:42
um and he brings he's oh come in i actually just was i really wanted to get a set of those
01:24:48
acts super interested then explains that his i think he said his children were sleeping i think
01:24:53
That's what his excuse was. Can you come down into the basement? Yeah. So they can talk business down there.
01:24:59
Well, she goes down and he almost immediately hits her in the head with a two by four.
01:25:07
Beats her and then strangles her to death. Oh my God. And then- Did he mean to that time, do you think?
01:25:12
Yes. Okay. That was the whole idea. Because he was strangling till they passed out before that.
01:25:17
Right. Okay. But this girl comes to his door and then he's like, the wife was out.
01:25:22
and he knew he had time to do whatever he wanted. So once before she, after she's dead and before he gets rid of the body,
01:25:34
he takes off her clothes and dresses her up in the stolen underwear that he has in his collection.
01:25:40
Then, this is bad, he cuts off her left foot and keeps it in the freezer in a high heeled shoe.
01:25:47
So it's like he has... No, I'm just processing that. Holy shit. he was crazy yeah so then when he and at some point there his wife came home and he went back
01:26:00
upstairs and like ate dinner with the family i believe i read that in the ann rule book but i
01:26:06
um i'm almost positive that that's happening he he basically had family interactions like
01:26:11
right after doing super normal well probably as normal as he is right yeah he's probably always
01:26:17
coming up from that sub-basement a little bit sweaty. So later in that night, he rolls her in a rug,
01:26:22
drives to a bridge, pulls out all this stuff to make it look like he got a flat tire
01:26:27
as almost like safety, and then dumps her body in the river. So then in July of 1968, so that was January.
01:26:37
So six months later, Stephanie Vico is reported missing from Portland. And then in November, the same year,
01:26:45
Jan Susan Whitney is reported missing from Portland. Jan's 23-year-old college student at the University of Oregon.
01:26:53
Then in March of 1969, so about six months later, a woman named Karen Sprinkler,
01:26:59
who was a 19-year-old college student, goes missing. And when the police take the eyewitness accounts
01:27:08
of Karen going missing, two young girls tell the police they saw a large man dressed as a woman
01:27:14
on the parking lot garage roof where Karen's abandoned car was found on that day.
01:27:19
Whoa. If you see a picture of this guy and then you picture him lurking around like a parking structure dressed as a woman,
01:27:30
it's very scary. It's this scary. Anyway. It sounds like Norman. Norman Bates. Yeah.
01:27:39
Just like his mom kind of a thing. Yeah. Yeah. Creepy. Because probably from a distance, you're like, oh, man, there's a woman up here on the same parking.
01:27:49
You'd feel, I think that's part of what's so sinister to me. You're lured into safety of like, oh, that's a woman just like me.
01:27:55
I'm fine. I could see myself doing that. Completely. For sure. Yeah. So a month later, a woman named Sharon Wood is attacked in a parking garage at Portland State University.
01:28:09
she fends off her attacker by biting his thumb until it bled and it of course turns out to be
01:28:19
Jerry once she does this he beats her unconscious but then a car comes so he has to run so the police
01:28:28
get the report of this make no connection to the other parking garage attack the next day after
01:28:36
that attack, Jerry sees 14-year-old Leanne Brumley. He tries to abduct her. She fights
01:28:41
him off and escapes. Good for you. Day after that, a woman named Linda Dawn Saley is reported missing. Her car's found abandoned
01:28:49
in a parking garage. The police realize now that they're dealing with a serial killer.
01:28:56
So the next month, which is May of 1969, a local fisherman discovers Linda Saley's body
01:29:01
in the Long Tom River. It was weighed down by a car transmission. And then two days after that,
01:29:08
Karen Sprinkler's body is found 50 feet away. Oh my God. So that's obviously his dumping ground.
01:29:17
Karen was also tied to an old engine, which is the reason it kept her submerged for a long time.
01:29:22
And he, this is bad. Okay. He cut off her breasts to keep his souvenirs. he also placed a bra from his collection
01:29:31
of undergarments over her mangled chest is the way they worded it so this guy is basically
01:29:40
berserking he's killing he's trying to attack women almost daily killing people and then these bodies are coming up
01:29:49
of when he it's just all going faster and faster he started and then was fucking on yes and then anytime he can you know someone gets away then he has to do try it again the very next day Right So it like Wow So the same month he starts calling dorm rooms at Oregon State University to try to arrange blind dates with the co
01:30:12
What the fuck? And it works. No. Uh-huh. What did he say? I don't know. I don't know.
01:30:20
I want to know how he. I mean I would love to know and I bet you it's in that book
01:30:26
I promise I'm going to finish reading this book I'm just wondering everyone else should read it with me
01:30:30
but yeah insane so they're now the police now are onto the pattern they're staking out places where young co-eds
01:30:41
hang out where they end up like parking structure stuff like that a female student who claims to have
01:30:49
gone on a blind date with this guy goes to police and gives his description. So now the police know what he looks like.
01:30:56
Wow. And when he contacts her a second time for a follow-up date, she calls the police and tells them.
01:31:03
So the police show up at the meeting spot. Fuck yeah. They question Jerry at the girls' residence hall.
01:31:11
Oh, no. So fucking intense at Oregon State. But he's so cooperative and he gave his ID.
01:31:18
Nothing came back. It all seemed legit. So he was not arrested. because all they had on him was you're just trying to make blind dates with people which is
01:31:27
not illegal yeah but a bummer yeah um but then the thank god the police after that interaction
01:31:34
with him go back and they look up his record they look him into him further and the blind date went
01:31:40
forward after that yeah yeah she's like once he got cleared by the cops she's like so do you like
01:31:44
roller skating um so they look into his record they decide to go to his house for some follow-up
01:31:52
questions and there they see several suspicious items in his garage in his sub-basement thing and
01:31:59
they start building a case against him because they're like they're the old classic line of cops
01:32:04
we like this guy um yeah so eventually they have enough evidence to arrest to get an arrest warrant
01:32:11
he tries to run um while they're the police are serving him with the arrest warrant
01:32:16
never do that never it's never gonna work no if the cops are there yeah you're done yeah um
01:32:24
but the warrant was for the attempted deduction of leanne brumley um from the month before yeah
01:32:30
and so then they started they get him in take him downtown whatever they started interrogating him
01:32:36
and um he tries to call he he tries to call his wife and get her to burn stuff clothing and like
01:32:46
his his underwear collection all this other evidence he's like now you can go into the
01:32:51
basement yeah exactly right uh here's the here's the best oh my god um but darcy's like
01:32:58
give fuck yourself for real Darcy Darcy's over it she's she's had it um so the investigator's
01:33:07
name was Jim Stovall and he basically gets Jerry Brudos to confess to the murders um of the two
01:33:14
recently discovered bodies as well as the murder of Linda Slauson and Jan Whitney um he's test
01:33:20
Jerry Brudos is tested by several psychologists psychiatrists sorry and um he shows average IQ
01:33:27
and cognition deemed not criminally insane, which I'm not, I don't understand. Because how can you be a serial,
01:33:34
like murder people and not be a little insane? Yeah, but I'm not sure what criminally insane
01:33:39
must have a very specific thing. Hardcore, yeah. But he is diagnosed as an antisocial personality
01:33:45
manifested by fetishism, transvesticism, exhibitionism, voyeurism, and sadism. Isn't it funny that back then transvesticism
01:33:56
is a crime yes it's insane yeah and it wasn't that long ago yeah like what is it it's 1960
01:34:03
something i lost my paper we're in like we're in the late 60s 1969 i'm sure someone's gonna tell
01:34:11
us when it went tell and it's gonna be recent yeah well i mean they just fucking passed the thing
01:34:17
And it's, yeah. Okay. So they collect all the evidence. He's eventually charged with three counts of first degree murder.
01:34:29
Jan Whitney, Linda Saley, Karen Sprinkler. He tries to plead not guilty by reason of insanity,
01:34:38
but eventually they just get him to plead guilty. And so on the same day that he pleads guilty,
01:34:44
he's sentenced to three consecutive life sentences. because he confessed. There's no death penalty in Oregon.
01:34:50
So they just give him three consecutive life sentences. He's never charged with the murder of Linda Slauson
01:34:56
because her body was never found. Oh no. Yeah. That's so sad. Now, around the time of all these murders,
01:35:05
12 women went missing in that area while he was free. Oh my God. So an investigation was ongoing
01:35:12
to attempt to uncover the whereabouts of those other missing women. And at one point, a neighbor of the Brutus's implicated Darcy in the murders, claiming that she had helped Jerry carry a body from the garage.
01:35:25
And she actually ended up going to trial for it and being acquitted. Holy shit. Yes.
01:35:31
Do you think she did? Because what a bummer to like, A, have your husband turn out to be a serial killer.
01:35:36
Yes. And B, you're implicated and you have nothing to do with it. I mean, that's what I would think.
01:35:41
I don't think someone, I don't know. Who knows? Based on what she's already done, you would think that she would testify against him for immunity if she actually knew something.
01:35:51
Right. And if she didn't burn, when he called and was like, get rid of the evidence, she's like, no way.
01:35:57
That doesn't seem like a person who's like in it. for the long haul or like his accomplice.
01:36:03
Yeah. For sure. And yeah. Anyhow, he goes to jail, but he also had piles of women's shoe catalogs in his cell.
01:36:17
He would write to the companies and ask for their catalogs. So they were, he claimed that substituted for pornography for him.
01:36:26
Holy shit. And he actually, it says he lodged countless appeals, including one in which he allegedly,
01:36:37
oh, sorry. He lodged countless appeals, including one in which he alleged that a photograph taken
01:36:43
of him with one of the corpses could not prove his guilt because it was not the body of the
01:36:50
person he was convicted of killing. So he, they found a picture of him posing with a dead body.
01:36:56
Oh, who took it? well probably him i would imagine a timer maybe yeah kitchen timer yeah
01:37:02
but so it's like that kind of thing where he's arguing like look that's not the dead body then
01:37:08
hey you can't like one else it's so insane it's a picture of you posing with a dead body yeah
01:37:14
anyway he died in prison on march 28 2006 from liver cancer he lived for a long fucking time
01:37:20
in fact at the time of his death he was the longest incarcerated inmate in the organ department
01:37:25
of corrections, a total of 37 years. Oh my God. My age is how my entire life is how long he was
01:37:33
in prison. Yeah. Holy shit. So if you want to read Lust Killer, I'm going to finish it. And then
01:37:41
we'll know all those details because I really do want to know like all that stuff at the end.
01:37:46
And I bet you it'll, it'll talk more about Darcy too. Cause I, it, I'm sure she talked to Anne
01:37:51
role. I bet you should talk to him. You think so? I would love to hear more from Darcy.
01:37:56
I'll try to finish that up pretty soon. But also thanks to those people from Radford University. Your research helped me do my thing. Thanks guys. Shout outs to fucking
01:38:07
helpers. This episode, Wired Magazine, all this. Wow. What a creep. I had never heard that one.
01:38:17
It's bad. Yeah. It's one of those ones I've been working on, but every time I go to do it,
01:38:20
I'm like, it's just, I mean, it's just, there's no, but the only thing was the two points.
01:38:27
I always look for those cinematic moments. One cinematic moment is a person dressed up like a woman hiding in a parking garage, which is the scariest, like beyond.
01:38:38
And then the other one is that as a child attacking that little girl and then being like, I'm my twin brother.
01:38:45
Where it's like, how fucking crazy are you? That's like psycho level. Yeah. Okay we back Karen do you have any updates No case updates although Jerry Brudos was featured in Mindhunter which I always thought was interesting because you know we make jokes about it being so
01:39:07
textbook, like he had such a serial killer's childhood and all those things. It's like,
01:39:12
he's so textbook. And then the idea that like in Mindhunter, they're like, yep, here's one of those
01:39:16
people. That's exactly the kind of serial killer. That's like, here's their fetish. Here's their,
01:39:21
you know, history. Yeah. And he's not as much of a well-known serial killer as the others they
01:39:27
showcased on that show. Yeah. That was interesting. It is interesting. It makes me think that, you
01:39:32
know, we think a lot like John Douglas, the FBI agent and author of Mindhunter. I mean, it's 10
01:39:37
years. We're basically FBI agents. We have earned it. Clearly, we know exactly. We've earned it. We
01:39:42
put in our hours. What is it called when you put your hours in for something? Clock in, clock out?
01:39:47
no like you pay your dues yeah something like that we've paid we've paid our dues and then some
01:39:56
we surely have all right well should we wrap this guy up with our our happy things are that
01:40:03
elvis and mimi are healthier oh no so good yeah let's wrap it up do you have a good thing for this week i have a good thing this week obviously
01:40:16
it's Elvis getting better and Mimi getting better. But now that they are better, I can,
01:40:21
I can say what was going to be last week before this happened, which is a kitten, man, a new
01:40:26
kitten. Like nothing will make it more exciting in your house. Like just watching her playing with
01:40:32
a little toy by herself is like joyous. Yes. And then at night, oh my God, at night, she nurses,
01:40:39
tries to nurse Vince's head and it drives him crazy. But it's like the cute, I like pull her away,
01:40:46
but not before I look at it for a minute. It's just so cute. And she like nuzzles and she's a real character.
01:40:52
And I like having her around. She's super cute. Yeah. And it's funny because she matches Mimi.
01:40:57
It's like they have the same jacket on, but Mimi's like, I fucking hate you. Mimi's jacket's like, obviously a little more worn in.
01:41:04
It's because it's a little lighter in color. She's washed it more and she fucking hates the kitten.
01:41:09
Yeah. Kitten's name is Dottie. She's a real doll. So what's yours? Mine is, I did a show last night at Largo.
01:41:17
It was a comedy show for Brian Posehn, who's been doing comedy for 30 years. So it was his 30 year anniversary in comedy.
01:41:26
So he asked a bunch of us to do the show with him, who he's been doing it with that long.
01:41:31
And so it was me, Blanket Patch, um Derek Sheen um Dana Gould Greg Proops and Gayo Bilem and it was such a good show like
01:41:43
idea for a show it was so fun and then so everyone was like obviously doing their act but then also
01:41:48
telling these stories and doing jokes from their act from back then wow and it was so fun and
01:41:55
everyone was so insanely solid but then it also was like at a couple moments I was it was very touching because I was like I said something about how lucky I felt to have kind of happened into this tribe that I found where it like you know when the those people in San Francisco those comics
01:42:12
that, that I met and got to be friends with that all ended, we all just moved en masse to LA together.
01:42:19
And it was just such an amazing group of talented people who were geniuses and so fun and like
01:42:25
telling stories where we're like, I had a recovered memory on stage where I was like,
01:42:28
Brian, remember when OJ ran and we were in golden Apple comics? And like, it was just like a whole thing like that where it was really, really fun.
01:42:35
That's such a nice thing to like, you know, you're going through this and you're like,
01:42:40
you've been in comedy this long and you're keeping, you're doing it and you're doing it,
01:42:43
but then to like stop and take, take stock of it. It's such a cool thing. And I really,
01:42:47
I like that you guys did that. I did too. And it takes stock in this kind of like,
01:42:52
I don't, it was almost like a high school. It had a high school feeling in, in me, like
01:42:58
meaning and the, like. You're part of, you're part of this big force and you get, you're part of it.
01:43:04
Yeah. You belong in it. And I think like when you're in that, you of course don't appreciate
01:43:09
it because you're young and an asshole. Right. Drunk all the time and kind of on pills. But
01:43:14
yeah, when you later on, when you get older, you know, just, just know that like when you have your
01:43:20
like posse of friends. It doesn't last because everyone gets married or, you know, maybe moves
01:43:25
away or whatever. Or quits comedy for whatever reason. Yeah, exactly. It's just kind of people
01:43:30
move away from each other and in ways that you kind of don't expect. And then, so I think there,
01:43:35
there was a nice kind of like reunion feel to it that I really liked. That's so awesome. Yeah.
01:43:42
It's those good feelings. Yay. And I, because I really always, I hate doing standup comedy so
01:43:47
much. And I very often cancel my sets because I'm like, there's no point. And I knew I couldn't do
01:43:51
it because I wouldn't do that to Brian. So then when I was actually doing it, I was like, oh,
01:43:56
I do like it. That's right. I do like comedy. Yeah. You got to pick the ones that mean something
01:44:02
to you, I guess. Yeah. And just like acknowledge when I'm busy. Right. And tie tie. Tired and
01:44:08
busy. I get so tight. So tired. Okay, so we're back from our wrap up. Yes. So this episode was
01:44:18
originally titled The Sharpest Needle in the Tack. One of the great Georgia quotes.
01:44:24
Thank you. But if we were changing it today, which I don't think we would, some options would be and whenever we record an episode, Molly or Pruiser comes in and gives us
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options as titles, just so you guys know of like the stupid funny things we said in the episode.
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So that's kind of what we're doing. So we wouldn't change it, but here are some options.
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It could be stardust equals anxiety, which is on my list, and I still don't know what the fuck that means.
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Maybe it's that like the universe is so vast and stardust is so that it's overwhelming.
01:44:56
That could be it. Yeah maybe you read that quote that we all made of stardust Oh yeah And it gave me anxiety You don want that in there That sounds like me You don want space rocks inside you
01:45:09
I don't want that. There's also twists and turns all over the place, which is when Georgia teased her story is unexpected and then keeps on talking about the twists and turns.
01:45:18
They do a lot of twists and turns. And then please, doctors, that we went on a tangent about what it means to have a cerebral hemorrhage.
01:45:29
God, that's a hard one to say. Yeah, it is. And Karen pleads with doctors to weigh in.
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Please, doctors, tell us how to do this podcast. I mean, it's how we've always been about this podcast.
01:45:38
We want doctors. We want the input. The guidance is appreciated. We don't always take it.
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And often you're wrong. But when you're right, you're right. We won't deny when you're right.
01:45:48
You're probably way more professional than we are. So you might as well tell us.
01:45:53
All right. So thanks, you guys, for listening. We're going to say goodbye in the original episode from 2017.
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Thanks for coming in and listening to Rewind. Well, should I see if anyone is going to talk?
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Elvis isn't. Mimi? Well, thanks for listening, everybody. I'm sorry. Thank you guys for listening.
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Yeah. And that's it. Stay sexy. Don't get murdered. Bye. Bye. Mimi, want a cookie?
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