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Hello and welcome to My Favorite Murder. Year 10. This is the 10-year freaking anniversary.
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We have done this podcast. We have said these words to you, listener, for 10 years.
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That's crazy. For a podcast? Yeah. It's unnatural. It doesn't make sense. It goes against God's will.
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God's will of podcasting. Yeah, that's George A Hardstart. That's Karen Kilgariff.
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Did you ever think that this would become what it's become? No, it's wild. Yeah.
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It's a decade of podcasting. Totally. I mean, we just kept saying yes to things and they kept happening.
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Yeah. And that's like what has brought us here today from my apartment to the pod loft to Carnegie Hall.
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Wait, we've never played Carnegie Hall. No. Ryman Hall. Yeah. Sydney Opera House.
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That's right. That fancy place in London. Oh, yeah. Very fancy. And very historical.
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Yeah. Yeah, we've done a lot of amazing things. We have. By basically chatting about our hobby.
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Yeah. It's been incredible. It's just, it's silly because I can't even put into words the way my life has changed since we started in 10 years.
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I feel so monumental and so huge and so important. And that's why I can't even begin to like fathom.
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Yeah. You know. So the actual date was the 13th of January or the 16th of January?
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It was the 16th? Yeah. I think it was the 13th. Okay. So the actual date was the 13th.
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Yeah. Do you know my mom died on the 9th? Holy shit. You started podcasting days after your mom died?
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Well, with Alzheimer's, it starts a long time before. But I only mentioned that not to be, you know, like dower.
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But my sister brought that up this morning because she's like, that's not a coincidence.
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I'm like, it's not a coincidence. I don't think so. I mean, to be woo-woo, just to kick it off in the woo-woo-est way, if anyone's watching over me and helping me make my dreams come true, it's my mom.
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Oh, my God. You know? Pat up there giving you the— Just being bossy and pushing her way to the front and just being like, sorry, I realize other people have been here a while, but we need to get some stuff taken care of.
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Wow. Because her house is going into foreclosure. Oh, my God. Right. Right. I mean, yeah.
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All the things we've done and wanted to do. And then, I mean, yeah, I feel very, very lucky and grateful to Pat.
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Yeah, to Pat, to Janet, to everybody who got us here. That's right. I have a present for you.
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For me? Yeah. I have one for you, too. See, I got you one because I thought you would because you always do it.
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I don't. It's like, shit, oh, my God, I didn't have to do it. Wait a second. I got you this beautiful ceramic coffee thing.
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I mean, it's silly. It's not like a special thing. It's just like funny and it made me laugh and I figured I might as well give it to you now.
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Great. Because I'll forget by your birthday. Okay. So happy 10 year anniversary.
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Oh my God, honey. It's so silly. It's so silly. Did I just pull it right out? Yeah.
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Let's find out about magnets. It's a vintage book that just says magnets. Yes. With two little vintage kids playing with magnets. It's like a science book.
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It's clearly an old library book. Totally. That they ripped that old check it out pocket out of.
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Isn't that incredible? A long time ago in ancient Greece. Wait, I'm going to tell you what year it's from.
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Yes. Georgia, this is the most. Oh, there's all the stickers. This is from Los Angeles City School Library.
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Let me guess. What year? 66. Ooh, 67. Shit. So close. I can't believe I got that close.
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I can. You've like doused yourself in shit like this for so long. That fucking champagne glass of Diet Coke is going over at some point.
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You're going to down the whole thing? Okay. Thank you so much. Yes. I know you love coffee table books.
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I really do. But I just thought that one was the funniest thing ever seen. I really love it.
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That's so good. Thank you so much. Happy anniversary. Happy anniversary. Here's the pen you've always wanted.
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Thank you. Can I put this here by Elvis? Absolutely With the tinfoil hat on So 10 years a decade anniversary gift is tin Is tin Or Aluminum Aluminum Which what the fuck does that that even i mean good luck couples who have to deal with that well according to brides the decade anniversary gift is
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traditionally tin or aluminum which symbolizes the strength and resilience of your marriage
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hey i mean the proof is in the pudding right i mean right it's teflon that's us that's right
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there's been a lot of and i've said this and people have said it to me too where it's like
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and you've said it's me you and I are the only ones who know what this has been like yeah in this
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way this firsthand way it's really weird because it is this very singular experience it's very
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very estranged like winning the lottery style experience but but way better yeah but then
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there's just this other person in the world that's also like yep I was there too so like you know
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Vince has been there with us the whole time and he can experience it. He has, he can, you know, talk about it, but like it being about you,
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it's so much pressure. It's, there's so much writing on you not being a stupid fucking asshole, you know,
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like it's just a lot of pressure and a lot of like big experiences and we're the only ones who know what that's exactly like.
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And there's no training for what we have experienced because, There might be now.
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Yeah, exactly. I think there is now. But in 2016, when we started doing this, there was not anything like this out there, which is fucking cool, I think.
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It's pretty cool. Well, hats off to last podcast on the left. They were the first.
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They were the original true crime comedy podcast. We definitely used them as a jumping off point of what it could be.
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But I think that idea of like, I think before that, podcasts were very niche, very like, you know, dependent on what you're into.
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But like comedy nerds, like comedy podcasts or true crime obsessives were listening to true crime.
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But this idea that like it's all going to get elevated. People are going to pay more attention.
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More people are going to come. And that means you have to be media literate. You have to be aware of what you're saying and, you know, say the facts.
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Don't spread misinformation. There's like a real responsibility that just was not there when we started and we weren't aware of.
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Right. And we kind of I think the fact that we were able to like. We adapted. Thank you.
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We did that a lot. We adapted on the fly. And I think that's really a big part of this.
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But obviously the biggest part is our listeners and you guys like sticking with us and like going on this crazy.
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Yes, I'll say it. Journey. It has been a true spiritual journey. And none of it would happen if you guys weren't listening.
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So thank you so fucking much. Yeah, that part of it to me has been the most unbelievable, mind-blowing, because the amount of people and the love and passion with which they talk to us.
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I mean, I'm just talking about the ones who have talked to us and the ones who have played along with us this whole time.
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Like, it's just an incredible gift, obviously. It's a very special, it feels like a once in a lifetime thing.
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Oh, I want to do it again, though. Differently. Can we please not? Could we never again?
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Should we get into it? Yeah, we still have to do business. Look, we're very responsible podcasters, obviously.
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So we know there's some reading to be done right now. We've had to become responsible podcasters.
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They gave us a network. It only took us a decade. That's right. So we've really built it up.
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You know, there's all kinds of podcasts on our network. Yeah. Hey, here's a couple of podcasts that are on Exactly Right Media.
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For example, Bananas, the weird news podcast. And this week over on Bananas, Kurt and Scotty review their strangest headlines of 2025.
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From a radio station that went viral for playing a harmonic on a loop for hours to Bahrain, the dog who won a downhill ski race.
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It's the kind of unhinged best of that only bananas can deliver. And over on Ghosted by Roz Hernandez, Roz is over the moon about the return of Patton Oswalt.
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They get into Australia's spookiest haunted doll, Baba Vanga's 2026 prophecy about extraterrestrial contact, and Patton's favorite conspiracy theories.
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Very fun. Very tin hat. Then on Brief Recess, Michael and Melissa are discussing the ice raids in Minneapolis.
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Then they talk to Yuya Hamasaki from RuPaul's Drag Race. This show has everything.
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Truly. And on Trust Me, Lola and Megan are joined by journalist and filmmaker David Ferrier. He talks about his reporting on Arise Church, the largest megachurch in New Zealand and their disturbing pattern of exploitation.
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David Ferrier made that documentary Tickled. Did you ever see that? Oh, my God. He is. He's amazing.
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Yeah. And when he came to record with Trust Me, he was waiting outside while I went out to get in my car.
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And I was like, that's David Ferrier. And so I was trying to figure out how to say something to him.
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I was like, hi, I'm Karen and whatever. And I was like kind of like trying to figure it out.
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And the producer of the show just stepped outside and was like, oh, David, right in here.
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And then he just went inside. I never said hello to him or anything. It's your company.
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You're going to be like, hi, welcome to my office. Hi, do you need to get in? I have a passcode.
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Like I really could have balled out. And instead, I just stood there kind of trying to figure something out.
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Good. Classic move. OK, now, due to popular demand, we were just on tour. Very fun.
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Very exciting. We had amazing tour merch that everyone loved and everyone talked about.
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And so because the people have spoken, we want to give them what they want. Our 2025 tour merch is now available in the Exactly Right store.
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It your chance to grab posters totes and apparel from our live shows I have something I have a poster I have a tote Look at this beautiful poster Oh it big This artwork for like the posters and the like tour official merch is by Daphne Sabane
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And she did such an incredible job. There was a different logo for every city. Yeah.
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And it would all have something to do with, like, the city's flower or the state flower,
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the animal that, like, went along with it. And there were all these, like, beautiful deep meanings behind them.
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Yes. It was so thoughtful. It was amazing. And then this was just the overall tour.
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So we got the cool Panthers just if you just wanted the general tour. But then like Georgia's poster there, that's the Denver specific poster.
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So all of these items are available. Plus not just that. I want that tote. The tote's good.
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I want this sweatshirt, which is just a classic. Yes. So cute. That's so simple the way you like a simple.
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And a murderino on the side. Do you dare me to wear this to Marshalls? Because I will.
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I will. I love it. What else you got? Oh, well, very exciting. We also have 10-year anniversary merch.
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That's right. So in celebration, we have brand new merch. It's the MFM Collegiate Crew Neck.
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And we have a monitor to show you pictures on. We have a monitor. There's a red flag, crew neck. It looks like you went to college at my favorite murder university.
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Yeah. So all us dropouts can now have our own college gear. gear. It's a new approach to the idea of sister schools. Now it's like the sisters who could not
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get their homework done. That's right. Come on. It's designed by our graphic designer, Vanessa
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Lilac. It's so fucking cool. Yes. It's so fucking cool. So the presale for this goes from January
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15th through the 21st. You have to order it in that time period to own it. So go to exactly
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right store dot com to see everything that's available, including the new merch and the 2025
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Also, Vanessa, aside from that main design, Vanessa designed a lot of our tour merch as well.
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So this is Vanessa's design. The little deer that says, go fuck yourself. Yeah, I think so.
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That's her. Love it. Some great stuff. Guys, it's our anniversary. We got to sell.
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We always got to sell. That's who we are. Got to keep the lights on in this office of ours.
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Yeah, goddammit. So we had this idea of a good way to celebrate our 10th anniversary would be kind of to review, to ask the listeners what, in your opinion, were the top 10 moments of the last 10 years.
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So many to choose from. Because we can't remember most of them. Yeah. And we thought, well, who could read this to us?
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We can't just read it to each other. That would be weird. That's narcissistic. So basically, we have a special guest here.
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Who is also the number 10 on the list. That's right. None other than Stephen Ray Morris.
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That's right. And he is here with us today to celebrate our 10th anniversary. Oh, my God.
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I've been unleashed from my tomb. Feels weird. I'm like not on the floor, you know.
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I didn't come with anything. Yeah, it's so surreal. Where's your spiral notebook that you're supposed to be taking your notes in?
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Unprepared. It's so nice to see you again. It's so good to see you. Oh, my gosh.
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The last time I saw you was like a whirlwind at like one in the morning and you still had to like say hi to so many people.
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Yeah, at our L.A. show. That's right. That's so funny. The applause that Steven got at our L.A. show was so beautiful.
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And so like watching you receive that where you're just kind of like, holy shit, it was so sweet.
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No, it was really fun. Those were some really fun shows. I can't. And again, it was one of those things where I was like there's like whole camera people moving around.
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But like, I don't know. It just felt like we were back in the apartment. It was crazy.
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I know. Did you get a lot of fans coming up to take pictures with you? Yeah. I got mobbed a little bit, but I was like, I think they did this on purpose.
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No, they love you. Well, they're so happy to see you. And they always, I mean, I think every mini-sode, every email you get shouted out.
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I mean, like you are a part of the show forever. Hello to everyone and Stephen. Yeah.
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I still left like my signature at the bottom, you know. They're still like writing into the email.
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Stephen will be out. Yes. Yeah. If you guys don't know, Stephen made his debut as our engineer on episode 23.
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And he was our editor, our fact checker, and my cat sitter. Yes. Oh, my gosh. And all things to all people.
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You did it all for us, Stephen. You really did. I mean, it's just so surreal. It's just what you guys have done here is amazing.
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Again, I was peeking around every corner. I have to see everything. We have an office.
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I know. Now there's not somebody playing Call of Duty downstairs from your place.
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Oh, yeah. We used to get a little bleed through Call of Duty sometimes. Fireworks, helicopters.
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Literal fires. I mean, yeah. Ghost train. Ghost train. Oh, yeah, that's right. In the loft days. Yeah, yeah.
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We saw Coyote walking back to your car one time. It's like full nature, like surreal, like we're in a movie right now.
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Yeah, it is. We have, well, if there's anyone in the world that understands what we have been through besides you and I, it is Stephen Ray Morris.
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Very true. Oh, my gosh. Are you ready to walk us through the top nine? Nine. Now the top nine.
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Yeah, you're number 10. Yeah. We narrowed it down to nine. And then, yeah, I feel like the first one, number nine, is like just talking about like combining true crime and comedy.
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I mean, obviously getting your perspective on this, but anyone I've talked to, it's like getting to hear your friends tell you a story, your cool aunts, like that kind of thing at a party, which is kind of I mean, that was how the show started, basically.
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Yeah. So surreal. Yeah. There was never like a let's report on it. It was almost like a let's just let's gossip.
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Not gossip because that's obviously it was like a darker than that thing. Or it's like, let's let's get this out of our brains where it's not doing any good to anyone.
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Well also I think we had talked about ingesting for years ingesting that same kind of media And then it like but no one ever talked about ingesting it and receiving it
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It was always like you were supposed to act like a reporter if you were going to talk about this.
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And we were basically like, we're not going to do that. We're almost going to do the opposite and see what happens because it's the conversation around what we have.
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You know, that's, you know, the conversation around the staircase. And do you, you know, how in the world could you believe in the owl theory?
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It's almost like the Halloween conversation when we first met. We just took that on to, what are these called?
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Microphones. Yes. For what's it called? A decade. It was like, was this on mic or not?
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You know, like it felt like that. Like, what was your favorite forensic file episode?
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You know, what was your favorite unsolved mystery? Like that kind of thing. It actually just reminded me, you saying it being on mic, that I think one of the biggest reasons that we got Steven and needed Steven was because I used to do a weird thing with the microphones we were using.
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Do you remember that? Where I was creating this insane sound problem because I would shake the mic sometimes when I was talking.
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And you'd be like, and I think they were your mics. Yeah. And they look like the mic you use at a school talent show.
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So it was just like I would be like making a, you know, a point or something and I'd go like that and then it would shake the bottom and the bottom was loose.
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And it was all and it was like finally was like, we need an engineer. We need someone else besides us to help us do this.
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I mean, yeah, just just like if people knew how cheap those first microphones is like one step above karaoke.
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But I mean, you know, again, it was one of those things like every Wednesday or Tuesday night or whatever, just getting together.
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I felt like to unwind from our day jobs at the time. I don't know. Yeah, for real.
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Definitely. Yeah. And I remember once there was something that was going, some drama, some big thing that you had to help us with.
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And I remember just being like, thank you so much, Stephen. And you go, hell yeah, I'm ride or die.
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And then I was like, oh, my God, that's the best. Yeah. And you really were. Yeah.
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I mean, it was my favorite thing to do every week. We actually got to like just talk.
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You guys like talked into microphones about this thing that was fascinating. And the fact that, like, again, even by the time I was helping you out, like, the show was, like, getting to number one on the podcast charts.
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It was 20. It was episode 23. So I think we had just shitty equipment because we never expected it to go beyond, like, five episodes and, like, for anyone to listen to it.
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So then it was like, oh, no, we have to actually be, like, professional. Slowly investing, you know.
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We have to do this better. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. I mean obviously that takes us like to number eight MFM and pop culture.
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I think the I mean speaking of that the Entertainment Weekly that to me was like but I mean for you for both of you like when did you feel like you're like oh this is like the biggest thing or like people you know talking about it like you see in yellow jackets I feel like was another insane.
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Oh my God I forgot about that one. That's right. We would get these emails that were like can we have permission to use your logo and we're like the logo Georgia made.
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Right. It's just like, sure, you have permission. Christina Ricci, she had like a mug, right?
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Yeah. In dollar jackets. There it is. That is the OG. Wow. That is my mock-up of what it could look at before we even started recording.
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Yeah. And I remember making that in like a cafe because I didn't have Wi-Fi at home.
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It was like that time of my life. I couldn't afford to like pay Wi-Fi. So I was in a cafe and I was supposed to be writing like a submission for like a writing job.
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Like at a food magazine, I was like, oh, I really fucking need this job. Like, what am I going to do?
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And like, I don't want to do that right now. I want to make this instead. Like the thing that's not making me any money.
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Graphic design is my passion. That's right. And like it turned out that that was the thing that I should have been working on.
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I mean, that theme song is Take Two, I believe. Like it's just like my favorite theme song, Take Two dot M4A.
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Oh my God. You know, like right off your phone. like holy shit I always thought well I remembered it this way but that makes more sense because I
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probably screwed it up the first time but I always remember it being just me sitting down being like
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here's an example of what it could sound like and then just sending it to Georgia and then it being
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like yeah and then that's what it is and that's what it remains I think there's those things like
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that where it's like that's a good piece of advice for people it's just like don't mess with things
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too much. It doesn't need to be perfect. Just like put it out there and see. Well, it felt like,
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yeah, we, the things that you were ingesting, the stories at the time, it was just like,
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all right, we get to talk about it. And then it's like fresh on Thursdays. And I feel like that was
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something that I feel like not everyone was doing, you know, it was like that. Cause you know,
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it's like, if you make a movie or a TV show or something, it takes like months or years. So,
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you know, again, working on shows where you're like in a writer's room for six months and then
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they start coming out. But it was like, oh, no, we're responding to like things in real time.
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We don't have time to make it precious and make it perfect. Or even think about should we be saying this at all? And also, you know, again, thanks to Stephen,
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because it got to be timely like that because you would leave those records and then stay up all night
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editing those shows. It's hilarious. I mean, the dedication. We were supposed to be recording on like Tuesdays. And I think at least half the time we were like,
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shit we can't record until Wednesday night not knowing how long it took to edit no nothing
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knowing nothing about it when we were neighbors so I could just walk over yeah exactly thank god
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so crazy I also really loved when you guys were in the Simpsons to me that's also like another
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you know like thing that you're you enjoy as a fan and then you get to like see it yeah I think
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that was a maybe like teary-eyed moment for me when we were yeah it was like a podcasting episode
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or a true crime podcasting episode, and they had drawn our caricatures as like podcasts,
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true crime podcasting. podcasting, you know, names and our names and faces, like Simpsons faces were on there.
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And Simpsons to me when growing up was one of the most important things in my entire life.
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Yeah. One of the reasons I think I'm slightly funny is because watching The Simpsons for as long as I did.
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Yeah. And that, so that just felt like that was something I could send to my brother and he would get it.
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I mean, I saw that picture. I just couldn't. To see yourself Simpsonified is wild. To know it's
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actually in an episode. Yeah. That was really a humbling experience. It was really
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the craziest honor. And then full circle of like somebody on our Facebook page in the,
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you know, in the comments made up the name Murderino. Right. It's stolen from The Simpsons.
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Right. So it's like, perfect. Yeah. Instead of suing us, they put us on the show.
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It's so nice of them. That was one of those, that moment and Jeopardy are two moments
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that it felt like, okay, whatever fucking happens in life historically, you can't take
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that away from me ever. You know what I mean? Like, it will always have been on Jeopardy
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and on Simpsons. So if you want to see any of these things we're talking about, go to our social media. You can see
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all those pictures, if you haven't already. Right. We're posting a lot of cute stuff for the 10-year
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anniversary this week, so check it out. I know, even just being in here, like, seeing all
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this stuff is, like, so surreal. The collection. Has that, like, appreciation of those things, is that
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do you think you're appreciated more now? Because I feel like at the time, just even remembering like the scramble for the three of us, like going through Twitter, going through Facebook, like trying to just source any of this stuff because it was just like every week we were just like, OK, let's just we need to just focus on the episode now.
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And then, yeah, I don't know. Well, it's like a living scrapbook kind of where you don't.
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And that's the thing is like I feel like scrapbook people are such future geniuses.
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like when you were talking about doing stuff for future Georgia, that it finally makes sense to me because it's like now, you know,
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you look around and you see this stuff and you're like, I remember when that person handed that to me at a live show
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or when they sent it in and were like, this is what I do for a living, but I also want to do it for you.
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Like it's such a beautiful kind of way to keep time and like to keep 10 years. It's like we have a lot of this stuff with people that wanted to play along with us.
00:26:19
Yeah. Well, and I feel like the feeling, I don't know how you felt when they recreated the pod loft in that New York, you know, like speaking of scrapbook.
00:26:28
Oh, in New York. Yeah, in New York. Yeah, yeah. At the On Air Festival. And then also at the Microsoft Theater Halloween show, they recreated the fucking pod loft.
00:26:37
I think there's so many moments from this podcast and from 10 years that I keep saying to myself that are so incredible and overwhelming.
00:26:45
And if I stopped and thought about them, I think I'd like short circuit. So they've been like, I'm going to emotionally deal with this later.
00:26:52
When I'm 67. And yes. I can't do it right now because I, you know, like if you think about how many people are listening to your voice right now, you can't fucking speak.
00:27:01
So it's just like, I'm not going to worry about it right now. In the future, as an old lady, I'm going to be like, that was pretty fucking cool.
00:27:08
Yeah. What? I'm doing a bit where that's what I'm doing to you right now. But you can't do a not speaking bit unless you're not speaking.
00:27:16
Yeah, unless you're watching, right? I mean, it is that kind of thing where I think we were very good about keeping it.
00:27:22
It's like, yeah, you can't think about those numbers and you can't think about the, you know, it's that idea.
00:27:28
I think at some point, one of the many problems that we had to all solve together.
00:27:31
And it was like, look, we're not looking for a consensus here. This isn't we're not trying to.
00:27:37
It's we didn't do something to be super popular for millions of people. We did something for each other and for ourselves.
00:27:45
and then it's like and then it went somewhere which I think is the advice if people are looking
00:27:53
for it where it's like please yourself and make yourself laugh or interest yourself because you
00:27:59
can't think of it that way or you will totally melt down no I always feel like it's like telling
00:28:04
people it's like can you have a fun conversation with somebody where I mean again back in the early
00:28:08
days it was like seeing you to make each other laugh or discovering something new was always like
00:28:13
so you know it's like that that's when i was like with my in my notebook like writing the things that
00:28:17
you guys said you know like that's the stuff where it's like if you can do that like i feel
00:28:21
like you couldn't do anything right god we took those and made them into the show titles instead
00:28:25
of using the fucking number puns i mean 79 was pretty good yeah we had a couple good ones but
00:28:33
also that just makes me think of georgia would always have either a pot of coffee or her old
00:28:39
coffee from the morning and Stephen and I would have a big old cup of like 730 coffee. Yes. And
00:28:45
just be like, yeah, let's do this thing. Supercharged. Plus Diet Coke. Yes. Whiskey for me.
00:28:51
Yeah. We're going all in different directions. I think that's what made it. We all need our own
00:28:55
special form of just lighting off the fireworks that went off one time in the middle of recording.
00:29:01
Oh, my God. And all the cats like scattered. Yeah. Wait. So then when like number seven,
00:29:06
writing the book, Stay Sexy, Don't Get Murdered. Like, was that a moment where you had to, like, actually sit down?
00:29:12
Because that was, to me, the fun and surprising thing about reading it was, like, you had to,
00:29:17
like, or when you were talking about it and getting into it, you're like, oh, we actually
00:29:19
have to, like, write about our whole life. Yeah. Yeah. Like, what was that like?
00:29:23
That was one of the hardest. I don't think we expected. Oh, hey, look. Oh, look.
00:29:28
Oh, there it is. That's a very bitter look on my face right there. I'm very angry.
00:29:33
I'm stoked because that was the fuck one of the hardest things I've ever had to do in my entire fucking life.
00:29:38
We didn't really know what it was going to be. It turned out to be like a memoir in a lot of ways of the stupid, painful things we've done and gone through that naked so that we're the people who you can trust to deliver these pieces of advice to.
00:29:54
Which means you had to like dig deep Every note I would get from Ali our incredible editor was like what did it feel like Tell me more about how hard that moment was or what how awful it was
00:30:06
It was just like, I was just, there was a lot of therapy at the time. Yeah. It was incredible. Well, and also just the opportunity. It's like,
00:30:14
everybody knows, like, if you get a popular thing, if you get over a certain number of people that
00:30:20
will pay attention to it, you'll get a book deal or you'll get a blank or you'll get a blank.
00:30:25
And when that came through, it was like, well, this could just be another perfunctory thing that gets done because that's what gets done.
00:30:34
But then it's like, but we could really do something with this. And also, we are not true crime journalists.
00:30:41
Again and again, we say. So it's like, we don't have to worry about that. It's like, we can just talk about the one thing we know.
00:30:47
like I felt I felt so much comfort in that because it's just like we don't have to pretend
00:30:52
like suddenly in the middle of all this we don't have to pretend to be something it's like we'll
00:30:57
just keep on doing what we've been doing and hopefully it'll work I think that was probably
00:31:01
the writing a book is something I've always wanted to do in my life like that was a life
00:31:05
goal I didn't know how the fuck it was going to happen because I didn't go to college yeah you
00:31:09
know same and so getting that getting that opportunity was like this is a once in a lifetime
00:31:15
thing that you've always wanted. Don't fuck it up. Like make yourself proud of it. And there are
00:31:20
times like these days, like even now, years later, sometimes I'm like, I feel lazy or I haven't done
00:31:27
anything. And then I'm like, you wrote a book. You wrote a book that cannot be taken away. It
00:31:31
was a fucking number one bestseller on fucking New York Times. That can't be taken away.
00:31:35
And I'll never forget. People will tell you they like it, but whatever. So now you've achieved this
00:31:40
dream, but maybe it's actually not good or blah, blah, blah. But the reviews were good. So I just
00:31:45
kept looking for like okay well where's the bad things so that you know i can take this all apart
00:31:50
in my negative way and it was just like couldn't do it couldn't do it and then people to this day
00:31:57
like bring it to us to sign or tell us how much it meant to us like it's incredible it's crazy
00:32:04
i'm so i'm really i do still think it's great i'm like really proud of us i really am i'm just
00:32:09
there's nothing about it that I would change. Plus you got Paul Giamatti. Paul Giamatti!
00:32:15
Paul Giamatti in the audiobook. What more do you want? I forgot. How did that even happen?
00:32:20
Because I did the running joke of like people would ask us if we were going to do like a
00:32:24
Q&A episode, people would ask us who would play you in the movie. And you said the people that people have told you you look like.
00:32:32
And then, of course, I said Paul Giamatti. And then I guess someone told Paul Giamatti that.
00:32:37
And so then he was trying to get a hold of us to be like, I listen to your podcast and I liked it or something.
00:32:43
And one day I woke up and there was an email from a random email where it's like the fact that I didn't delete it is a miracle because it'd be like, I don't know who this is from.
00:32:53
But I read it anyway and it was like, you people are harder to get a hold of. And it was written in this perfect Paul Giamatti voice.
00:32:59
And then it was like, thank you for saying nice things about me. He basically heard we were talking about him.
00:33:06
So went and listened to the podcast and was like, I like your podcast. And I was like, well, then I'm going to do the gross Hollywood thing and say, would you like to read a chapter?
00:33:16
And he was like, sure. And then I was totally sure he was going to just flake later on, just like tell me yes.
00:33:23
And he did it. He did it. What a mensch. So surreal. And then, I mean, like, again, just expanding outward because we were talking a little before, but just the, you know, the number six is touring.
00:33:38
Like, when did you decide that you were like, we have to do this? And then how did you, I mean, again, like, I think in 2019, you guys toured from January to May.
00:33:47
Yeah, don't talk about it. Yeah, we were, we just wanted to do a live show a couple.
00:33:53
There were some podcast festivals and they were fun and made sense to what we were doing.
00:33:58
So we were like, well, let's do our own live show, like outside of a podcasting event.
00:34:03
Yeah, it seemed like that's what a lot of comedy podcasters did, where it's like people go and they put up one of those folding tables.
00:34:10
And then, you know, you line up some mics and you sit there and you do your podcast and people can see you in real life.
00:34:17
So I was like, well, let's I'll call the Bell House. That's where a lot of comics that I know in New York, like do stuff like that.
00:34:24
And we'll just, you know, see what happens. and we so many people tried to buy tickets that the guy called me like what the fuck is going on
00:34:34
because we fucked up their whole day and probably their week with the amount like it sold out
00:34:38
immediately the whole thing and that was when we started to get the sense of like oh this isn't we
00:34:44
don't understand how big this is and we don't understand that it's like yeah we sold out the
00:34:49
bell house that's a big deal that's a big deal it was a huge deal to me i think this last tour
00:34:56
that we were on too was really cool because so for for our la shows i have since talked to a lot of
00:35:02
people who i i'm really close we hadn't toured in six years so there's actually people that i'm very
00:35:07
close with that i didn't know then and so hadn't seen the live shows or hadn't been to a live show
00:35:13
so they came and they're like oh i didn't understand you're always stressed i didn't
00:35:18
totally understand it until i went to a live show and heard and saw everyone like when you walked
00:35:24
out. I didn't realize what a big fucking deal it was. That same thing happened. My friend Lark,
00:35:29
who now does my hair. I invited him to come and he just told me when he was doing my roots the
00:35:34
other day, he was like that. He goes, you didn't tell me anything about what that was going to be
00:35:39
like. I thought I was going to go support you like I was going to be nice and be in the audience for
00:35:44
you. He goes, I was so embarrassed when I got to the Pasadena Civic Auditorium or whatever he is
00:35:50
that like I had no idea and you didn't tell me. And I was like I like not a detail person Yeah what do you say Like here how many listeners we have Here our numbers Please come to this show Yes You can You don do that Yeah So yeah there was definitely a lot of like oh OK this is bigger than what I thought
00:36:09
Yeah. Which is kind of rad. I mean, when we did Anaheim, I got to stand on stage where I saw Michelle Branch in high school.
00:36:15
So that was just like, oh, my God, everyone, this you have no idea. So it's so incredible.
00:36:20
That was such a good show. Georgia did the Disneyland. Yes. Oh, my God. The Deaths of Disneyland.
00:36:24
Oh, I've been wanting to do that for so long. Is there live show memories that stick out to you?
00:36:29
I think of like the person crawling in the audience because they were so drunk. The fun part about especially that first year of touring was we were out with a bunch of people who were like they were friends with us.
00:36:42
And so it really was like you just went and did a live show with all your friends in the audience where they were heckling us and they wanted to be a part of it and all of it.
00:36:51
But at the same time, that dynamic that none of us had gotten before, which is this is what happens when we do this part.
00:36:59
This is what they're doing while we do this part. Like pockets. Having a dress with pockets gets a huge round of applause.
00:37:06
What? Okay. That's our thing. Yeah. No one would understand. But it's like, but everyone understands because we're all kind of the same in that way.
00:37:14
It was, I mean, those early days. Yeah. The Portland shows were always amazing. I think my family coming to the Oakland shows and seeing me and having that same experience of we didn't understand what this was.
00:37:26
And then, of course, never forget the Arizona show. I think it was Tempe. Or In the Round.
00:37:34
Phoenix. Oh, yeah. The show in the round. The show where the stage was spinning in a circle.
00:37:40
Slowly spinning. Because I'm trying to remember, but I feel like the way you described it was just like.
00:37:44
It was almost unnoticeable until suddenly you looked up and the person you had been looking at was way back.
00:37:50
Was not there. And for that, I would say it was too fast because it was like it was almost like for people in a musical, it was perfect.
00:37:59
But for podcasting, it was insane. It was like we could only focus on each other because we're just like it was it was so crazy and so funny.
00:38:08
And no one told us that it was in the round or on a moving stage. So walking out onto stage, we were discovering all of it at the same time.
00:38:18
It was hilarious. Did you do a full rotation? I never asked. Did you do like, oh, multiple times?
00:38:23
I think it went around 20 or 30 times during the length of an hour. Oh, yeah. It was pretty good.
00:38:29
It was good fodder. It was hilarious. I mean, it was insanity. And then that show had the best hometown, I think, of all time.
00:38:37
She did an amazing job. I mean, some of those hometowns were so, people were like, even just the most recent, the LA shows,
00:38:43
Everyone is just like so excited. I forget, like, do you have like a favorite hometown person or just like, I mean, there was marriage proposals.
00:38:53
Like there was all kinds of stuff. People came on stage, guests. I mean, if it's favorite person, then I would pick our drunk friend from Washington, D.C.
00:39:02
who could only say Lorena Bobbitt 15 times. And she tried and she was there and she was loving life.
00:39:08
and you know it was just Georgia had to pick from 50 feet away and this woman was waving her hand
00:39:16
like we told her the rule you can't be too drunk maybe we made up the rule you can't be too drunk
00:39:21
after her yeah no you always framed it you're like there was a whole thing that people had to
00:39:27
pay attention we're like everyone settle down for a moment yes please stop these are the qualifications
00:39:32
now go yeah be a good storyteller know what you're doing yeah all those things but this gal
00:39:37
And I do love that, like, the kind of just unexpectedness of it all where it's just you're fucking hoping this person delivers.
00:39:45
And when they deliver, it's so – it's powerful, but it's even more so because it's not planned at all.
00:39:52
It's just so, so incredible. And sometimes it's like a person that's like, I am the city's district attorney where you're like, you're listening to this podcast.
00:40:01
Like, oh, my God. Yeah. Did the touring this time feel different? I mean, I just felt, it just felt like a gift.
00:40:08
You know what I mean? After like not doing it for so long, having it kind of be like, we don't have to do it.
00:40:14
It's not like required. And then being able to like film it. There was just a lot to it that was like, it felt very like be in this here, be in the now, right now and really love it.
00:40:26
Because it was those first, I mean, the back to back years were hard and it was the hardest version of touring.
00:40:34
multi-cities in a weekend. Yeah. Thank God for Vince. Oh, my God. I know. Vince really, yeah.
00:40:41
Yeah, he tour managed the hell out of that thing when he got in there and saved it for sure.
00:40:46
He did. It was nuts. There was that one show, maybe it was Vancouver, that it was just the best audience,
00:40:53
like the response and the stories. And I think it was Vancouver. It was, they bubble up,
00:41:00
but then like if I sat here long enough, enough I would name every single one. Well, and also I feel like over the
00:41:06
years of just like wanting to pick the stories. I mean, I was embarrassed too when we were doing Kansas City and then
00:41:12
was like looking at Kansas City Kansas murders. I was like, oh, Karen, I'm so sorry. This is Kansas City
00:41:18
Kansas, not Kansas City, Missouri. I mean, that's on them though. Like, come on.
00:41:22
What are you doing? We're supposed to... You cannot name two cities the same. No. And one that doesn't even
00:41:28
belong to the same. No. Irresponsible. was not our fault not your fault at all thank you I needed that closure yes no we're fine uh is there
00:41:37
like a story that you were glad that you did live versus doing at home the live story choosing part
00:41:42
is so hard because it has to be so many things that it can't be you know or it can't be so many
00:41:50
things that it can be when it just the two of us because you don want to bum out a whole fucking audience There just a different expectation and we had to learn it by doing it which is a tough way to learn on stage live show
00:42:08
I mean, that actually is the definition of stand-up comedy. It's kind of an awful experience,
00:42:12
but then you like the improvement and the kind of you make these little changes,
00:42:16
and you're like, okay, here's the parameter. Here's what we will talk about here.
00:42:21
And also just if we have a room full of, you know, if we're lucky 2,000 people, how are we going to maximize this experience so that we're all,
00:42:30
this is like kind of best case scenario for this city, this audience. Right. What do they want? And then, yeah, also like also to remember that when they're booing,
00:42:38
they're usually not booing us. They're booing the story. Yeah. What point were you like, OK, this is they're not booing for it?
00:42:44
Never. I'm still like, are you mad? What did I say? What did we do? That's why I used to get so angry at when they would heckle because it was like old,
00:42:53
The old me of like, if you're saying anything, that means you're against me. Yeah.
00:42:57
Where it's like, these are people that just want to talk. They finally get to talk back to you and they really want to do it.
00:43:03
And they had drinks before and a meetup. And so. Yeah. There's all kinds of reasons.
00:43:08
I mean, I also love seeing both of you meeting everybody afterwards. Yeah, the meet and greets are fucking special.
00:43:15
So fun. And people just were like, like this, like, like ready because they just had the thing.
00:43:21
Like in New Zealand, somebody had ice cream with them the whole show. Like that kind of stuff.
00:43:26
Like, do you remember any like specific gifts or like things like that? I forgot the Australian New Zealand.
00:43:31
There was amazing experiences. I got proposed to. Remember that? I got proposed to.
00:43:38
A woman brought her rugby player husband. She's like, Karen, I want you to see what a real one looks like in real life.
00:43:44
Like it was that. We had some great ones. It's so funny because after the show, you're like just completely emotionally drained.
00:43:50
It just takes a lot out of you. And then you have to do this like 100 person meet and greet.
00:43:54
But then you're also like, they're bringing me the coolest fucking gifts. And like every, you know, every other person has some like either ceramic, beautiful thing that they made for you or a fucking bag full of candy.
00:44:06
Or like a Siamese cat stuffed animal. Like it's just, it's like, then you can't sleep all night because you have so much like endorphins running through because it's just such a cool experience.
00:44:15
And then it's people getting to tell you like how long they've listened and like what you were there with them for.
00:44:20
Yeah. And that's just like you don't get that when it's just sitting in a studio recording.
00:44:25
And we hadn't had it for so long. And yeah, like we'll run into people on the street who will like say hi and introduce themselves.
00:44:31
But just that onslaught that you get when you're touring is it's life giving. Did they like when the people tell you they go back to school for that?
00:44:39
Yeah. So many like I became of this and I went back to school for that or I left this relationship because I this I went to there's so many.
00:44:48
I went to therapy because you guys talked about it. And that to me is like the fucking point of it all.
00:44:53
Yeah. So cool. Yeah. No, I had a friend who was telling me like I growing up, like I didn't think mental health was like a thing until they listened to the show.
00:45:00
That was very touching. And also I love the fact that that was just the coincidence of both you and I not giving a shit.
00:45:09
Like I was raised by a mother who's a psychiatric nurse. You were raised where therapy was very much like fine and good and a part of your life.
00:45:17
And so it was just this weird, we didn't know better. And then we were like, everybody else was interpreting it.
00:45:23
I was like, you allowed other people where we're like, no, we just love talking about ourselves.
00:45:27
I was also like, what'd you do today? I went to therapy. I'm just talking about my day.
00:45:30
And like something cool my therapist said. I didn't, and like the medication change I'm going through right now.
00:45:36
It's like just part of my life. But the fact that like, I think because of that, people didn't, you know, we made it not a big deal to talk about.
00:45:45
And so it's not a big deal. And we get credit for as if we planned it and we didn't.
00:45:51
Number five on this list is creating the podcast network. Exactly right. Like, again, this is so – this space is bigger than I think the original network studio, basically.
00:46:01
You mean the original studio where you couldn't flush the bathroom toilet while people were recording because they were five feet away from each other, if not less?
00:46:09
Yeah. Yeah. We always say, like, you know, they gave us a network and it really did start with like a deal that was being struck. And part of the deal was they want you to have your own network. So that is how it started. And we said, awesome, let's do it. But I don't think they expected us to like to do it ourselves the way we, of course, would never let anyone else fucking do it.
00:46:32
Yeah. So, I mean, yeah, I think it was that idea probably at the time they're like, well, if this true crime podcast is popular, then that'll be a network with a bunch of other true crime podcasts. And then, of course, very quickly, we found that it's like in sales, it doesn't work that way because we will eat up all of the advertising.
00:46:52
there was all the kind of business behind the logic of it and so then we were like well we have
00:46:59
plenty of hilarious friends who are not interested in true crime at all and they want their podcasters
00:47:05
and we got to the way i used to say it's very hacky but it's like we got to build our own marvel
00:47:10
universe of all the people around us where it's like everybody can't be superman you know what i
00:47:16
mean every if everybody's flying around with their laser vision it's a little boring we need everybody
00:47:20
that's like, we need an Aquaman and we need a storm. There's no way these people are all in the Marvel universe.
00:47:27
And I know there's people that are furious right now, furious that I would be cross promoting these characters.
00:47:34
Well, so yeah, I think that what happened was they thought that we were just going to churn out
00:47:39
a bunch of my favorite murders to make them a shit ton of money. And I think we pissed off a lot of fucking people
00:47:44
because we were like, that's not what we want to do. That doesn't really happen that way.
00:47:49
and like we want to do it our way. So I think- Yeah, you're picking things that resonate with you.
00:47:54
You're like, I want to listen to that. Exactly, exactly. Like this podcast will kill you or like,
00:47:58
you know, just- Any of the kind of shows like Bridger just getting to open presents and be mad about it.
00:48:04
Be super pissed all the time. Yeah. This podcast will kill you is Georgia's favorite podcast.
00:48:09
And then I remember her choose just like, I think this would work because it's thematically similar, but it's not on point where it's just like, yes, like those kinds of, you know, that's how you pick.
00:48:20
Trust me. That same thing where it's like we do podcasting because we like podcasts and we listen to podcasts.
00:48:27
So it all did make sense. But, yeah, the build of it, it was just like, how are we going to do this and how are we going to keep on doing this?
00:48:36
And it really did become its own separate job. It's crazy. Yeah, what is it like now?
00:48:42
I feel like. Well, now we have like 40 employees. I mean, it's just built and built.
00:48:48
I got lost on the way here. Yeah. I don't. Yeah, it was definitely way, way more work than we thought it would be.
00:48:55
I often wonder like if we hadn't started the network, what our lives would be like right now.
00:49:01
It definitely it turned it into a business rather than like a hobby. Yeah. And I had to step away from the CEO angle of it or running the business at all because I just don't know how and I don't want to pretend like I do.
00:49:16
I got really just overwhelmed by it all. But but I love the network. I love the podcast.
00:49:22
We get to put on it. And I think it's a special place. I think like those podcasts that come to us, I'm always like they're going to be happy and we want to make sure they're happy.
00:49:29
Yeah. You know, make it a place where everyone gets to be themselves and creative and not being like told what to do.
00:49:34
Because I don't think like nowadays my favorite murder would be picked up on a big network.
00:49:40
Like they make us change everything about it, you know, or like I wouldn't be famous enough to like host a podcast.
00:49:45
So we don't want we didn't want to do stuff like that to other people. Yeah. Yeah.
00:49:49
Well, and for years, knowing creative people, working with creative people and being around creative people, it's like, yeah, you learn, you know what you like and you know that your taste is good and you watch, you know, you know why something seems to be better than something else.
00:50:05
And it is not just it's not just chance. It's not you know what I mean? And it's not just surface.
00:50:11
It's like especially in podcasting, you have to be better, I think, and more entertaining and more compelling than the average person on TV because there's no distraction.
00:50:21
It's hyper focused on literally, yeah, this back and forth. So there is a little bit of the the magical combination that Georgia and I knew simply by going, OK, we've done this.
00:50:34
We see what's hit. We think we know why. And then, of course, I had a background in television where just like this used to be my job all the time where you're trying to put ideas together and make that magical combination hit.
00:50:47
And whether you do or not, it's a completely different business and it's also a different science.
00:50:53
So it's just like, OK, I had a little bit of that knowledge, but also all of it was a startup.
00:50:59
And I mean, and that was kind of the spirit of it, which is just like, well, let's just see what's going to happen.
00:51:03
Yeah. And then giving, I mean, Paul Holes a platform every week to be his magical self.
00:51:10
Our pleasure. I mean, thank you, sir. What was that like approaching him? Because I feel like, I mean, the Golden State Killer getting caught was so such a part of the I was unfortunately at Margaritaville when both of you found out.
00:51:22
That's right. But like even just approaching him to start something and like, I mean, he was probably used to that whole like TV world where it was very restrictive.
00:51:32
And you were like, here, here's an opportunity to get to talk about the things that you want to talk about.
00:51:36
Yeah, thank God he was a very experienced talking head before we ever talked about him.
00:51:41
But that you're right. That kind of order of how it went, whereas like Georgia and I, the Golden State Killer focus, you know, he hadn't been renamed.
00:51:51
Michelle McNamara came in, her work, her book, I'll Be Gone in the Dark, her documentary, like all these things kind of happening together, her very sudden, very shocking death.
00:52:04
And then within a year of that or so, that case gets solved. And it's like a case that had been so old and nobody, I think nobody ever thought it was going to.
00:52:17
And then suddenly it was like these changes. And it was very parallel to our experience where it was like those kinds of watching that happening change so quickly.
00:52:27
It was like I never imagined this. Now we're dealing with it. Now we're in it. And, yeah, him.
00:52:33
Then we got the craziest thing of all, which is the surprise of Paul Holes on the podcast.
00:52:38
So that went great. And then it was like the second we all left that office, I was sending him an email that was like.
00:52:44
What do you want to do? Yeah, absolutely. You are not allowed to do a podcast anywhere else.
00:52:49
It has to be with us. And he was like, I agree. Yeah, it was very cool. Yeah. And I feel like maybe there's another surprise we want to do with Paul Holes.
00:53:00
You have a Paul Holes surprise? Oh, my gosh. Karen and Georgia. Sounds like you two have gotten yourselves into a bit of a pickle.
00:53:10
Sounds like we need to have a conversation. it's going to be fun to see who flips on who
00:53:16
10 years are you kidding me i remember the first time i heard about you guys and i had filmed a investigation discovery documentary on this unsolved golden state
00:53:32
killer case it's the one where they have me running in a creek like forest gum after it was
00:53:38
released, the producer called me up and she says, Paul, you're not going to believe this.
00:53:43
Karen and George, are you talking about you? I'm like, what? Yeah. On the podcast,
00:53:48
My Favorite Murder I know what you talking about As you know I don listen to podcasts especially when I was still active But obviously fate ended up intervening if you will
00:54:05
And I blame you, too. It always happened. You know, a very special memory is when I flew down to L.A.
00:54:18
to be a surprise guest on your show. and I was hidden, in essence, in a closet at the studio where you were recording at the time.
00:54:29
And then ultimately was shoved into the room in front of a microphone. And, you know, I never had any experience talking into a microphone before,
00:54:42
especially for something called a podcast. and you know at the time Karen you and I sort of had a little bit of an online relationship going on
00:54:53
kind of miss those days but you know anyways that was an amazing experience and by the way Karen
00:55:03
Georgia was in on it the entire time I don't know if she's ever divulged that Did I tell you that?
00:55:11
She knew he was coming. I knew it. Thank you so much for all the support you've given me.
00:55:17
Thank you for supporting Buried Bones. I think it's been way too long since we have sat down together, had a drink, and just caught up.
00:55:29
And probably need to include Kate, because if we don't, she's going to kick my ass.
00:55:34
If she doesn't, our producer Alexis will definitely do that. Ten years. It's been an amazing ten years.
00:55:43
I'm looking forward to the next ten years. Please no. Thank you again. Yeah. SSTGF.
00:55:52
You guys take care. Oh my gosh. So sweet. Oh, so dear. That was really lovely. Do you know after we recorded that surprise appearance by him, we were all going to the Tam O'Shanter and after to have lunch.
00:56:10
And somehow he got put in the car with me, even though I was like, I can't drive anywhere with a cop.
00:56:16
And he was like trying to chit chat with me the whole way. But I was like so focused on not like breaking the law.
00:56:24
And I just kept going through my head of like all the things I've done that are illegal in my life.
00:56:28
Just sitting next to it. And he's like such like stoic dude, you know, and I was just like, be cool.
00:56:32
Be fucking cool. Be fucking cool. The minute we got some tam, I was like, whiskey, please.
00:56:36
Just like, I can't be alone in a car with Paul fucking holes. And like, he's gorgeous.
00:56:42
That did not help. He's a lovely man. This is the kind of lesson, as you well know, that we learned on the podcast all the time,
00:56:48
which is you say one offhand thing because it feels like you're in a private conversation with your friend that, of course, a bunch of people are actually listening to.
00:56:58
so and that happened with a bunch of stuff but with the Paul Holes thing I was just like
00:57:02
this hot guy's talking about you know whatever very whatever and then I said he looked like
00:57:07
the guy from Hunter and then all of a sudden my whole Twitter feed is like everybody adding me
00:57:14
and talking about it and talking about it and then he came in then he was and then people went crazy
00:57:18
and it was like the hot for holes movement starts it was and I'm just like sitting there looking at
00:57:24
But, like, again, we did not plan for this. We didn't do it on purpose. And then there was, like, the people who were coming in going, he's married.
00:57:32
Like, how dare you? Where I'm like, he's doing it, too. We're like, it was just so surreal.
00:57:39
Yeah, it was an incredible moment. Crazy. Well, speaking of moments, should we get into our favorite episodes, number four?
00:57:44
Yeah. Our favorite episodes? Sure. What's your favorite episode? I mean, Mary Vincent.
00:57:51
Yeah. Like, I just think that story has, like, stuck with me personally over the years.
00:57:55
And I feel like it's one of those things anytime I've run into murderinos. Besides, before you started touring again, anytime I'd run into a murderino, they're like, when are Karen and Georgia going back on tour?
00:58:04
But, like, yeah, Mary Vincent's story is just, it's an all-timer. That's the one I see.
00:58:08
Yeah, I see that one mentioned, like, online more than any other one. Or, like, I listened to that and became a murderino.
00:58:15
Like, that's totally the one. So good job. Oh, thank you kindly. I mean, honestly, the Anaheim deaths at Disneyland was just – it was unexpected.
00:58:27
And it's so fun as a surprise for me because, you know, it's a surprise for – Georgia and I don't know the stories we're about to tell each other.
00:58:34
Ever in 10 years. Yeah. We've never known. And so that one was like – because we were in Anaheim.
00:58:40
Yeah. It was like the people, the locals, the people who had to deal with Disneyland or worked at Disneyland or know all that stuff.
00:58:47
Yeah. And we were also in this funny little room that felt like a conference room at like the Hyatt that they had made into like a theater for us.
00:58:57
So at certain points, it was like rocking. Literally like the room was rocking with like the back and forth of it all.
00:59:05
And it was like that experience couldn't have happened in any other way without that story making it happen.
00:59:13
And I love that so much because and I said this about hometowns recently, too. So deaths at amusement parks have been an anxiety obsession of mine since I was a kid.
00:59:23
Like I remember the first time I heard about someone dying on Space Mountain at Disneyland as like a six-year-old and being like, what the fuck?
00:59:31
I need to know everything about this. So like this podcast that's true crime and also with hometowns where it's like, I want to know what happened in your fucking neighborhood that you can't stop thinking about because shit happened in mine.
00:59:43
And I have not been able to stop thinking about them my whole life because I have anxiety.
00:59:47
But also, like, how could you there's people who just go around places and not think about the worst things that could happen.
00:59:52
Right. Who the fuck are you? Yeah. So getting to do that story So even though it true crime deaths at Disneyland you wouldn think goes along with that And like getting to sit on stage and tell you and like whole audience that are
01:00:07
excited to hear about my biggest fears and share it and not be called names or not be like sent to
01:00:13
rehab or whatever. Like it's just so fucking incredible and special. And then the hometowns
01:00:18
too, where it's like, I used to just ask random people once in a while, you know, what happened?
01:00:22
And now we get like fucking inundated and I get to hear everyone's story. And I just like and that's my career.
01:00:29
Yeah. That's my life. Yeah. And that's why like I was able I can like help my family with money like is because of this.
01:00:36
So that's just an incredibly special, amazing thing. Yeah. It's just the it's you think you're alone or you think you're different or weird.
01:00:44
And then to have all these people be like, no, I had the exact same thought you had or I had the exact same fear you have.
01:00:51
and that or that idea of like when we're going through those deaths and this is the misunderstanding
01:00:57
that happens all the time no one likes the death part right that's not what we're doing we're
01:01:02
basically talking about those things going this happened it's so awful we're together you're not
01:01:07
alone reading this in the dark in your bed anymore like we somehow bridge this gap of that we didn't
01:01:14
realize needed to be bridged so badly of like we're going to talk about it together and it's going to
01:01:20
have all the elements not it's not just jokes it's not comedy the whole time it's comedy tragedy
01:01:27
comedy tragedy poignant moment personal moment like it hits all those buttons and not consciously
01:01:35
it's just like that's just kind of how we figured out how to do it yeah well and for you are your
01:01:41
favorite episodes of your own just the kind of rabbit holes you would have gone or you feel like
01:01:45
half the time you're like well i've already been reading about this for like a few weeks like
01:01:48
typhoid Mary or like the Galapagos stories. That was like stuff that you were already interested in.
01:01:53
Different plane crashes or bridge collapses or mothmaid. Like that just was stuff you both were already interested in.
01:01:59
I can't, when there is a day, like when we're going to record and even when things have been so fucking stressful
01:02:04
in our world and everything that's going on and I go, I can't, in my mind, I think I can't wait to tell Karen about this story.
01:02:11
I can't, like, or I'm writing, you know, putting the finishing touches on it and be like, oh, I can't, I'm going to add this
01:02:16
because Karen's going to love. Like when I'm excited to tell Karen a story, that's when I know it's going to be a good episode.
01:02:23
And whether that's on stage or just here, I mean, that's when I know it's like, so even a cold case, I'd be like, okay, I have to make this cold case worth it to tell her or she's going to be pissed.
01:02:34
So like, how do I make this the cold case story that Karen is like, okay, hearing?
01:02:38
Yeah. And that's when I know it's going to be like a good episode or a good story that I tell.
01:02:42
Yeah. We're each other's perfect audience. Yeah. Because then it's like, you're, you know, come along with me where I bring you into my British Victorian 1800s thing that you don't care about, but I'm going to make you care about it.
01:02:56
And I do now. I do. I mean, it is like, yeah, like, you know, to be totally transparent, there have been times when we have not been getting along and then we'll record and I'll go, fuck, that's so special.
01:03:08
Like, fuck, we're so good together. And it's just like undeniable. and it just softens as part of you, you know.
01:03:16
Also, to me, it's funny because I feel like the not getting along has always been,
01:03:22
oh, are you having trouble doing your gigantic business with the person you met four months ago?
01:03:29
Like every time I would be upset or frustrated or whatever, it would be like, who has ever done a situation like this well and gracefully the whole time?
01:03:38
And like with complete unity, it's like not getting along is how you get through a thing like that.
01:03:43
And it's basically saying I have you have your opinion. I have my opinion. Can we get together and decide what's best for this third thing?
01:03:51
Right. Which is not either of us. It's this thing. Which we both fucking care about so much.
01:03:57
And you can't fight over a thing you're both so passionate about. I do think both of us having older sisters was very fucking helpful for us.
01:04:03
The sister element was such a reoccurring theme in both of you having older sisters.
01:04:08
I think it's a kismet thing for sure. But it's also the worst version because no little sister wants to be older sistered by somebody else.
01:04:20
So we've gone through our whole lives being absolutely oppressed by our older sisters in some ways.
01:04:26
And so then when you start hearing the older sister tone, which I love, I know exactly how to copy my sister's voice, you know, in that thing of like, it took me way too long to realize that's exactly what Georgia doesn't want to hear.
01:04:40
So like, that's not going to convince her of anything. That's actually going to push her the other direction.
01:04:45
Or trigger me into like all my bad habits that happen when I get, you know, sister.
01:04:50
And also when it's like what we're fighting about is not who's going to drive to the party.
01:04:55
It's this thing that's highly impactful. And there's all these people waiting to see and money and pressure and decisions.
01:05:03
And it's like, yeah. And also we have to get through this. We have to get through this.
01:05:09
And it doesn't matter how bad. Every week. Every week. You still have to come meet up on a Monday and fucking tell each other stories.
01:05:16
Do it. No, there was no Christmas or New Year's off. It was like back then you had to do a podcast every week.
01:05:22
There was no like summer off. No. Nothing. Because the second you even got slightly popular.
01:05:27
Right. That's when people were like, I think we one time did it on a different day.
01:05:32
Yeah. Well, because the Golden State Killer press conference. Right. We waited to in the morning.
01:05:36
Stephen knows exactly what I'm talking about. That one very specifically I remember because we were like, no, we should watch this.
01:05:42
Right. And then we recorded it like around noon. And then I got it up like by 4 p.m. on a Thursday.
01:05:48
Right. Sure did hear about it. Yeah. No there was a I mean back in the day it was like if something was late or it was like oh God what happening Are they OK Can we do a wellness check Yes It would be me and you talking at 7 in the morning because I look at Twitter and people would be like um I don know it my automatic thing or whatever
01:06:07
And then I'd be like, Stephen, did something bad happen? Like, first watch was up.
01:06:12
Oh, I fell asleep at the computer. I'm so sorry. By the time I woke up at 11 o'clock in the morning, you guys would have fixed it for me, so I don't care.
01:06:18
Hey, how's it going, everybody? Hey, I just woke up. What's happening? And then the fighting begins.
01:06:23
Yeah. Well, but again, no physical violence. I can confirm. That's a serious. Nobody with no hair pulling, no nothing. Never, ever. We've always been able to come back to our senses in some way. I've broken some of her shit secretly. Yeah, that's right. I come home and all the mirrors in my house are broken. This is crazy.
01:06:42
Well, I mean, we're counting down. We're at three. And I feel like the catchphrases, you know, the MFM-ism, stay sexy.
01:06:48
Like, what point do you remember, like, when people were, like, saying things back at you?
01:06:53
Were you surprised by, like, what the stuff was that people were like, fuck politeness, the things that were catching on?
01:06:58
Right. That we'd end up putting on a T-shirt. Yeah. I do remember the first time someone ever yelled, stay sexy at me.
01:07:06
Out of a car in San Francisco on hate. like in the you know maybe vince and i had just gotten married or like for some reason we were in
01:07:14
california and some fucking girl yelled stay sexy driving by and i just screamed and don't get
01:07:21
murdered like in the middle of a fucking like public place so like it is still a little bit
01:07:26
like you kind of have to whisper it you know because it sounds crazy like this girl at a gym
01:07:31
recently who worked there who was so lovely she was like helping me like cancel my membership
01:07:35
because I don't go to the fucking gym. What do you mean you're at the gym? I was canceling my membership that I had paid for for six months and never gone to.
01:07:43
And she was so lovely and sweet and on the way out, she was like, stay sexy. I was like, goddammit, why didn't you tell me?
01:07:49
I had to yell, don't get murdered at a gym. So that's all. But that's a great final line.
01:07:56
Yeah. Be like, and bye, you guys. You will not see me back here. I think I've told this story a million times, but it really was very affecting
01:08:03
because having already lived in Los Angeles, you know, trying to make it in Los Angeles
01:08:09
for at that point 15 years or more and sitting, getting my nails done in Silver Lake
01:08:17
near the 99 cent store. And it was that kind of thing where it's like, I always feel so self-conscious getting my nails done
01:08:24
where I'm like, here, like whatever. Fix me, make me look pretty. And like in the middle, she was done,
01:08:32
but I was in the middle And this girl just walked up and went, stay sexy. And truly, literally ran out.
01:08:40
I was going to be like, shut the fuck up. And then I was like, this is perfect because people don't yell at me.
01:08:47
They're always like, I know you don't want to talk to me and run away. And I'm like, whatever I've done to make it be like this, this is my dream come true.
01:08:54
I get all the glory, but it's all real quiet, not embarrassing. And I think that was so cool about the book, too, is that we got because every chapter is, you know, one of our things that for some reason people held on to like fuck politeness and stay out of the forest.
01:09:08
And so like getting to write a chapter about what that means to us was so cool because there are a lot of them that, yeah, we we don't even know they're a thing until someone else makes art about it.
01:09:21
Yeah. The art that someone made for live, laugh, learn to levitate. That was the first one. It was on the Facebook page. RIP, Stephen, you did a lot of hard work for that Facebook page.
01:09:33
But that the person who made it, it was this beautiful, very modern looking, you know, very aesthetic live, laugh, learn to levitate.
01:09:41
When I first looked at it, I was like, what's this? And then it's like, oh, my God, that's George's quote.
01:09:45
And it made me laugh so hard because they did that. Like it's this goofy quote that makes no sense on a thing that looks like it's supposed to be.
01:09:54
You'd buy it home goods or something. Yes, exactly. And then it's like, oh, my God, these people get it.
01:09:59
They get it like down to the bone. They have a sense of humor. They're so funny.
01:10:04
They're so. And talented. Yeah. Like what a combination. Even like stay safe, do God's missions.
01:10:10
I feel like that became such a fun, like hearing people, like whenever we'd hear people telling the.
01:10:16
Yeah, we see that all the time. Like, yeah, it's like folklore almost. Like, what is the folklore that's come out of this podcast?
01:10:23
And it's like kind of just we wouldn't know what it is just talking about it unless someone made a fucking shirt out of it.
01:10:30
Yes, that's right. And also just because you can have Christians involved in this podcast.
01:10:36
You wouldn't think you could. But you just SSDGM in a different way. You stay saved and you do God's mission.
01:10:42
Do you remember the first time we saw Nick Terry? That was it was either I'm trying to remember.
01:10:47
It was either cocaine bear or, you know, Swiss cheese pervert. You were in it, right?
01:10:52
Like there's the Greenland shark. I think it was a Swiss cheese pervert. Yes, it was.
01:10:58
It was a Swiss cheese pervert. Because it was so funny. It was. I was speechless.
01:11:03
I mean, I still am. Every time I see one now, I'm like, like, he makes me feel so funny when I watch.
01:11:08
Like, he makes me like, wow, I'm like, I say funny shit just because Nick Terry puts, you know, hilarious animation to whatever dumb stuff we say.
01:11:17
We really lucked out with Nick Terry and his ability and willingness basically to do this with us.
01:11:24
And he has done it for so long now. If you haven't seen it, you guys go look up MFM animated.
01:11:30
It is just joyful. It's joyful. Yeah. Yeah, I feel like he captures though, even though, again, they weren't video podcasts at that time.
01:11:37
Like the one learning about the snakes in the walls and he drew you, Karen, like being like, that's what you were doing on the couch.
01:11:44
Like even Vince's beard colors are so spot on. I definitely want to get a tattoo of Vince as Nick Terry's MFM animated.
01:11:53
That's a great idea. Couples tattoos of each other. All the way down your ribs. How cute would that be?
01:11:58
That's hot. Or they got Elvis MFM. Animated Elvis. Also just a random story, but of the girl that was going into the candy shop who ends up going like this.
01:12:08
Like the way he did it. Yeah. You just have to see it. It's just magical and so fun because being a standup comic from the 90s, I was raised to at least act like I hated everything I did and judge it.
01:12:21
And you couldn't ever be braggy. That was the worst thing in the world. And just being like this, it's like Nick Terry did it.
01:12:27
I didn't do it. So just like watch this. It's so good. that it's really not really you.
01:12:31
So it's OK. Yeah, exactly. He did it. I mean, you brought up Elvis, but I mean, MFM Pets,
01:12:37
number two MFM Pets. I mean, it's a real menagerie. I mean, you both have had over the years.
01:12:43
That's right. It's so crazy that that is a part of the podcast, you know, like Elvis meowing
01:12:47
at the end of the episodes. That was like a couple episodes in even. Yeah. It's just kind of an accidental thing
01:12:54
because we needed a funny button at the end of a depressing thing. So and I feel like it's kind of a thing now to have your pet as part of the podcast.
01:13:02
Yeah. But we were just I just have always loved hearing him meow. I was like, let's end on this thing that makes me happy.
01:13:09
Yeah. But then, yeah, then all our pets now, like I have so much fan art of my animals and like it brings me so much fucking joy.
01:13:16
We have had so many beautiful renderings of our animals or hilarious renderings.
01:13:22
I just remembered there was one I wanted to get a picture of and I didn't, which is Frankenblossom currently.
01:13:28
Oh, my God. Oh, my gosh. The two bottom ones I have on my shelves in the front room.
01:13:34
I have those on my wall. I mean, it's gorgeous. That's like there's people that would pay $1,000 for that.
01:13:39
And we just had someone bring them to us. It's the look of like that is what Mimi.
01:13:44
That's the face she makes. It's not just like a cat, a calico cat. That's fucking Mimi.
01:13:48
That literally is Mimi all mad. And then George. R.I.P. I know. It's so crazy. And also then to have this gorgeous artwork of a dog that like, that's the thing about pets.
01:14:00
They're special. It's special and it's short term. And to have something like that in cartoon version and like in all these versions and people being like, here, this matters to you.
01:14:11
And this is a thing I can do. Like, oh. Yeah. These were like dolls almost. This is from Mighty Pigeon, who is like an early art.
01:14:21
My favorite murder. 2017, 2016. Very early. Like just bringing it so hard. Yeah, those were amazing.
01:14:28
I mean, I would get that tattooed if I were a tattooed person. There was one I'd love to.
01:14:32
I said once that Elvis's head smelled like a library book. And so I loved the smell of his head, which now I look back and it's like probably just cat litter smell.
01:14:41
But someone drew a picture of Elvis with a, oh, this one. That's gorgeous. This is actually huge.
01:14:48
And it's all made out of like paper mache. Those are all pieces of paper. Wow. From like a magazine.
01:14:53
That's incredible. We'll put all of these names on social media so that everyone gets there.
01:14:58
Yeah. We'll put these on social media. That is up, like when you walk in my front door, that is front and center.
01:15:04
I mean, gorgeous art. That's the other thing. It's like it truly is this gorgeous artwork.
01:15:08
I didn't think I'd ever be able to like have so much art on my walls. And it's all like, it's all murdering and stuff.
01:15:15
When we were like, oh, yeah, we should show all of the artwork that we have at home.
01:15:19
I was thinking in my head it was like oh those two like illustrations of them and there's like two more
01:15:25
there's like 11 I have so much of it around my house same yeah it's really good wait are there more
01:15:32
can we look at more oh my gosh yeah wow and what does it say can you read the description
01:15:37
I love you now fuck off that is like what so much dude it truly looks like that's coming up next
01:15:45
totally George and Frank I would watch that cartoon so good any more oh Dottie this is from Scarlet River
01:15:53
she is so I also have a plate that she like a Victorian plate that she wrote fuck politeness on
01:15:58
in my bathroom of all places but this picture of Dottie that she painted is cutest
01:16:04
I just stare at it sometimes it makes me so happy it's so good it's so good oh and then
01:16:11
that's a pillow of Dottie that someone gave me and this adorable drawing of Dottie
01:16:15
somehow Dottie is like super photogenic yeah she is Or art. I don't know. Yeah. Oh, my God.
01:16:21
It's really good. Oh, the queen. Oh, my God. This series, this is the one that's on my dad's refrigerator.
01:16:27
And it looks like Frank smoking a cigar. And it's such, such beautiful. I think it's watercolor.
01:16:33
Yeah, I think so, too. It's incredible. I love it. Like, watercolor is the hardest.
01:16:38
Yes. Oh. Wow. Look at them all together. I know. You think they'd get along? No Here in the studio Yeah just all run around If George was alive no Is there one of Blossom and Moe just so we can make sure that the new ones get a shout out too I don know I don have one of Blossom because I forgot to take the picture
01:16:57
Is there one though? It's Blossom and Frank here. And then George is in the middle wearing a halo.
01:17:03
Oh, stop it. And they have really funny eyes that are very accurate. Like Blossom's eyes looks like she's panicking.
01:17:09
And then Frank's kind of like eye roll. Do you think it also made people want to share pet stories?
01:17:15
Because I feel like that was so fun. And I think, you know, between the most heartbreaking and harrowing tales in the hometowns, we get pet hero stories.
01:17:23
Yes. And then you got a lot of Penny Lane art, too, right? Yeah. Rest in peace. Rest in peace to Penny Lane.
01:17:30
Yeah. I mean, they're all hanging out having martinis up there. That's right. You know.
01:17:33
Sounds great. George is trying to eat Penny Lane as we speak. She's not a friendly dog.
01:17:39
She's not a nice dog. I think we're at number one. Oh, my God. I mean, obviously, the Murderinos, number one, the Murderina community.
01:17:46
Come on. Come on. Hell yeah. Like, that's it. We would not be anywhere without the people that listen, not only listen to this podcast, but cared enough to send us that stuff.
01:17:59
Yeah. Be on that Facebook page every single morning. Right. Posting memes. I mean.
01:18:04
A couple of live shows. I have, like, people have asked me, like, do you get weird experiences with weird fans or whatever?
01:18:10
and I'm like, knock on wood, I maybe shouldn't be saying this. I know. I have never fucking not felt awesome after meeting a person who comes up to me in public.
01:18:19
A hundred percent. It's never been anything but fucking cool. Yeah. Do you ever experience this where somebody says hi and you're like, do I know you?
01:18:27
I know the look now. Do you know the look? A little bit, but I have to say this.
01:18:31
This was really embarrassing. Over Christmas break, I went into a store and it was freezing cold as it's been.
01:18:39
And so in some other store, I bought like a stocking cap and put it on, folded it up because I was freezing.
01:18:46
And then I went into the next store and I was like, I think they listen to the podcast.
01:18:52
And we're talking, talking and then whatever. And then I go home and I go into the bathroom and my stocking cap was standing up.
01:19:00
Like a hat in the hat? Yes, it was the tallest hat. So it was like I walked into the store like, hey, can I get a – it was Ray's Deli.
01:19:08
I was ordering a sandwich and I was like, oh, this person knows why. I mean, it's like, no, they don't.
01:19:14
Just the tallest stocking hat, like a turkey sandwich and whatever. I mean, I can tell, though.
01:19:21
Yeah. Well, I was going to say I like the experience and I feel like the relationship you've built with people when you were both right, like on a flight, like waiting to leave somewhere.
01:19:29
And some people took a selfie and like with you behind and you took a selfie back.
01:19:34
Like, just come and say hi. Don't be weird. I think we commented on it. I feel like you put people at ease all the time.
01:19:40
Like, no, we like the same stuff. We're passionate about the same things. Let's just, like, gab about that for five minutes, you know?
01:19:45
And it's like, when this stops happening, that's the problem. When people are like, I'm so sorry to bother you.
01:19:49
I'm like, you're not fucking bothering me. Like, I'm here because of you. I have what I have because of you.
01:19:55
It's just, yeah. Yeah. It's not like we were two young actresses on a hit sitcom or something like that.
01:20:02
And it's like we, first of all, you know, worked for years trying to get to a place like this.
01:20:10
Totally. Both of us. And then got it. And then I think very much kept each other aware of what we had and how lucky we were to have it.
01:20:22
And, like, I think that piece, you know, I'm grateful to you for keeping the gratitude kind of, like, front and center.
01:20:29
Because that piece of it really is like if you just start believing that this is we somehow figured out something, that's crazy because it came as surprisingly and as kind of like a wave.
01:20:42
It's just it wasn't our doing. We were doing this thing over here and they showed up, assembled themselves, started doing subgroups.
01:20:51
Oh, we're murderinos that also have really bad allergies or whatever the fuck. And people basically organized themselves.
01:20:58
meet up later after shows now are friends for life. People are best friends because of after meeting after shows.
01:21:05
Right. And they say like in the comments, like, I feel like we all accomplished this together.
01:21:09
And it totally does feel like that. Like we all, we're all a little like 10 years
01:21:15
because it's for, it's all of ours. It's not, yeah, we're not actresses. We didn't get cast to do this.
01:21:20
And then people come up to us and they say, I feel like I know you. And I'm always like,
01:21:24
you fucking do. Because we've told you literally everything about ourselves. There's nothing worse than telling a story. I told Allison and Nicole a
01:21:32
story today And as I was telling it I was like but you both know that because I told this on the show before right it like I literally have about 17 stories yeah and I told them all on this
01:21:42
goddamn podcast you know what gives me away every time having a really tall husband people see him
01:21:47
and go oh and then they're like like I get noticed because I have a really tall husband with a you
01:21:52
know distinctive beard and everything like I saw Vince and then I saw you I knew you were there I'm
01:21:58
like, I know. But it's, yeah, and you can see the face. There's a face. They make this face
01:22:02
and then... Because it's podcasting so it's not like they recognize you immediately.
01:22:08
Right. And then you go, ha, you know, there's been half as many times as someone comes up to me
01:22:12
I've said to them like, hi, you know, I've initiated it because I can tell or they have a shirt
01:22:16
on my favorite murder shirt on or something like that. And because you don't wear tall hats
01:22:19
so you know for a fact that's what the face is. Right. I'll doubt it for the rest of my life.
01:22:24
Oh my gosh. I'm trying to think there's anything else. I can't believe it. Stephen, what's your favorite memory? Do you
01:22:31
have a favorite memory? I don't know. I mean, I think just having a space where I feel like
01:22:38
being trusted so much. I mean, the idea that we, it was the three of us and it was like,
01:22:47
you let me edit this show and then put it out without anyone else looking at it.
01:22:54
It was like a lot of trust. Like I'm really grateful for that. I feel like it really, I mean, again, I feel like I've learned so much from the both of you.
01:23:01
And like that stuff that sticks with me even now, like that's a confidence boost.
01:23:05
Hey, by the way, we're going to put in such a million people. I think you'll do all right.
01:23:10
We got it. We got this. Well, yeah, it is funny. You, what we were saying before you got here, like you did actually experience all of this, the craziness in the beginning with us.
01:23:19
It's like you, us and you and Vince are the only people who are like going, what the, all of us were like, what's happening?
01:23:26
What is this? It's a very like small little special group that will never, you know, no one will ever be able to understand fully.
01:23:34
20th reunion, 30th reunion. We'll put the streamers up. We'll do prom photos. Steven, edit that out, please, right now.
01:23:43
Oh my gosh. Thank you so much for being here, Steven. I love you, Steven. I'm so grateful you guys asked me back.
01:23:48
We couldn't do it without you. Yeah. Thank you so much. You really, you gave it your all and then some, and we'll always be so grateful for the job you did for us.
01:23:58
Really. And now I go back into my slumber for another 17 years. Right. We'll call you when we meet you.
01:24:04
Yeah. Thank you. Steven. Steven Ray Morris. What a special moment that was. That really, that was really like old home week.
01:24:16
I love that. And also him being here made me remember things that I haven't thought of in so long.
01:24:22
And he remembered way more than I do. I know. Yeah, he had a different point of view.
01:24:27
Yeah. That's so awesome. Should we do our last segment? We were going to do something called Then and Now?
01:24:33
So basically because it's been 10 years, and people have been doing this in the emails that they've been sending us for hometowns and stuff,
01:24:40
where basically we've been talking about how it's been 10 years and like what's changed.
01:24:45
Yeah. So we ask people to send in basically what their life has been like these past 10 years.
01:24:51
Where were you then when you started listening and where are you now? Yeah. Go first.
01:24:55
Sure. This is from Calpy on Instagram. Then single, struggling, static, now blossoming, living, and married to the man I met at 50.
01:25:07
Ooh. I know. That's beautiful. Isn't that sweet? This one's from Elastomom417, and it says, I was in cancer treatment when I found you in 2016. Now I'm 10 years cancer free.
01:25:21
Oh, God. Oh, my God. Yeah. Wow. That's fucking incredible. That must have been so fucking scary. And it's like to be able to report that news. I hope that felt great, Elastomom.
01:25:32
Oh, my God. Marissa Rebus says, I was 21 getting out of a toxic relationship. Now I'm 27 married and a professor.
01:25:42
Oh, my God. You became a professor in the time you listened to us. No, I was a professor the whole time.
01:25:48
Oh, right. That's true. No, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Let's see. This one's from Ann M.W.M. Sun.
01:25:54
And it says, I was a polite 40-year-old then. Now I'm a 50-year-old who regularly fucks politeness.
01:26:01
Yes. Great. Love it. Zella Kell says, D1 listener. D1 listener. That says, grad school, forensic scientist for military, biologist at CDC now.
01:26:13
Whoa. We have a friend at the CDC. We've got an insider at the CDC. Fuck yeah. Hell yes.
01:26:19
This is from Kirstie JC5 And it says I was starting a new scary male work industry Now I thriving in the industry Fuck Yes Hell yes Oh rodeo clown
01:26:33
Do we have any rodeo clowns that listen? Please write in. Please write in. If you do.
01:26:38
S. Raprikins something says, I was 16 years old, just starting community college.
01:26:45
Now I'm 26-year-old professional ASL interpreter. Whoa. We have smart listeners.
01:26:51
Yeah, we do. This is from Bird.Soph. And it says, in 2016, I was a sophomore in high school.
01:26:58
Now I teach sophomores. Oh, my God. What a turn. Full circle. Always in sophomore year, though.
01:27:04
Nightmare. Maybe the worst year, arguably. Actually, well, you know, hopefully be nice to those sophomores.
01:27:11
Okay. This is from Carolyn Marie S. She says, skinny dipping in my college apartment's pool
01:27:18
versus drinking wine while hiding from my kids. This one is Christina Kay, I think.
01:27:27
And it says, in a cult versus not in a cult. What a change. Were you in a cult at any point listening to this podcast?
01:27:36
Write to us at My Favorite Murder at Gmail. We need to know everything. Please tell us everything.
01:27:40
We'll do a crossover with Trust Me. That's right. My last one could have been written by me.
01:27:44
It's by WeAmy. And it says, then normal. now perimenopausal as hell. Yep. Same. My last one is Brayden Arsky, and it says single, broke, unhappy.
01:27:56
Now I'm still broke, not as unhappy, LOL. Oh, good. We're not looking for huge changes.
01:28:03
You don't have to do jack shit in 10 years. No. Just survive. Yeah. And survive with us.
01:28:09
Yeah. And, you know, just basically listen to our tagline and try to do that. That's true.
01:28:15
We have our own then and now. Oh, yeah. Our then and now is that then we were two gals in an unconditioned apartment.
01:28:24
Unair-conditioned or with unconditioned hair? With unconditional love in our hearts.
01:28:30
No makeup, don't care about what I'm wearing, wore a lot of house dresses. Oh, my God, there's the picture.
01:28:36
There we are. That is truly what it looked like and felt like to record. Literally.
01:28:41
At Georgia's apartment. I think that the thing behind me that looks like a big machinery thing is a portable air conditioner that I tried to get to work, but I had a sliding glass door so it wouldn't work.
01:28:52
Yeah. And it was too loud to use during the fucking recording anyways. So you just put your short shorts on and you said, let's do this thing.
01:28:58
I used to be able to record in house clothes and I do. I do miss that. Just a lot of ass and a lot of feet going on and a lot of cheekbone from Karen.
01:29:07
That's right. I wasn't afraid to suck my cheeks in and take a selfie every once in a while.
01:29:11
So that was us then. Now we're here. And the exciting thing is we're on Netflix.
01:29:21
We're on fucking Netflix. This podcast as a video podcast is going to be on Netflix.
01:29:27
It's now exclusively on Netflix. It happened really fast. So I didn't really have a lot of time to absorb it.
01:29:32
And I was like, oh, we're just our videos moving to Netflix. Nothing is really changing that much.
01:29:37
But the amount of people I got that like I know that reached out that were like, Netflix, congrats.
01:29:42
And this is just like, oh, we're just moving to Netflix. We've been. People, it's like a, it's Netflix.
01:29:48
It's the only thing my dad watches. It's a very big deal. He might actually pay attention to the show from now on.
01:29:54
My stepdad sent me a photo of the graphic of us on Netflix, which he's never done.
01:30:00
I didn't even know he knew how to do that. So we're not going to be changing at all, audience.
01:30:05
No. That was a joke about being on camera for Netflix. What if I just flashed my tits?
01:30:13
Well, we're very happy to be here. And thank you to our listeners for getting us here and for being with us while we got here.
01:30:21
Yeah, we couldn't have done it without you. We appreciate you guys so fucking much.
01:30:25
So do us a favor and stay sexy. And don't get murdered. Goodbye. Elvis, do you want a cookie?
01:30:37
This has been an Exactly Right production. Our senior producer is Molly Smith, and our associate producer is Tessa Hughes.
01:30:44
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01:30:52
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01:31:02
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01:31:07
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