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For full offer details, visit BoostMobile.com. Hello. Hello. And welcome. To Rewind with Karen in Georgia.
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It's Wednesday, and that means we're recapping our old episodes with all new commentary and
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updates and insights. Today, we're looking back on episode 80. That's a great number, which we named,
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you're not going to believe this, Live at the Ram's Head Live. That can't be right.
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It's our Baltimore live show. And did we mention it was live? This episode came out August 3rd,
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2017. Yes. Let's go to Baltimore. They are true murderinos. I got so excited when I saw this.
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Let's listen to the intro of episode 80. They're everywhere. Let me do it. Let me do it.
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What's up, Baltimore? Yes. I almost forgot. You have to do it in your real voice, though.
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I don't know who my real voice is. You can do it. What's up, Baltimore? Yeah, there it is.
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There she is. I don't know. That scares me. Hey, we're at a bar and grill. What's up?
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Hi. Hi. You guys are up in the We Are the Part of the Rhythm Nation, Janet Jackson section.
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That's rad. This is fucking MTV's The Grind, am I right? Oh, for sure. Is this where they filmed it?
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Yeah, this is it. This is it. Oh, thank you so much. Whenever the bar is this close to the stage, it's always a fun show.
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We're excited. Hi, this is my favorite murder. That's Karen. I'm Georgia. Hi. I'm a year older.
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I'm much wiser. Thank you. Someone already said it. Thank you. It's too late. Your moment's over.
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They already had it. We have a special bond. You're merely redundant. I'm so much wiser now.
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Wouldn't you say, Georgia? Oh, my God. On the way over here, on the drive here from D.C., I was like, Jesus, she's so much smarter and wiser.
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She just kept giving Vince and I marriage advice. and we were like better when we got here.
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Right? Yeah. Right? Yeah. We were about to divorce and then Karen was like, boop, boop, bop, laid it down.
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Do, do, do, do, do, do that. And we're like, all right. Do you want to see the thing that I was doing?
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Because we had to travel on my actual birthday so then when we got out of the car
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in front of the hotel, we were in D.C. yesterday, I got out of the car and just for Georgia,
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I just went up to her and went, I'm 47! Like, that's as high as I can kick my leg.
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I had to kind of go back a little bit to get it up at all. I was waiting for you to fucking, I once when I was like, he was like, kick!
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And my, and there was no room and I fucking blew backwards and landed on my house.
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It was so embarrassing. And then when we got on the plane, I found Karen's seat and I went over to you.
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I think the woman was sitting there next to you already. And I did a fucking habit.
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Like, I just. Do it. Do the full dance. My what? Do the full dance of what you did.
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Okay. I just started going while you sang did I sing happy birthday? happy fucking birthday
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that's right well the very I'm positive she was a multi-millionaire middle aged Asian woman
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that was sitting next to me and the whole time sorry passing gifts across her I mean I had practiced that for months
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it was really good You could tell that you had stretched and you had choreographed.
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I'm a good dancer. You're not afraid to bust one out on a plane. Oh my God, no. I have no couth on a plane.
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Let's see, what else? What else can we tell you about, guys? You love your hotel room.
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Oh, you love your hotel room. Test with that. What? It's like you're just listing off things we've done.
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We walked down that hallway. Went ahead and got in the elevator. That was good. Oh, look, we walked these out.
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Is that you? Oh, my God. Oh. Just someone who also had a mug was like, me too. I love mugs.
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This one says fuck politeness on the front of it. So does her. We got these gifts backstage.
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and as you know, we love presents from people. This is from Ann Margaret Ceramics.
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Ann Margaret the actress also makes ceramics She doesn want to come forward This is embarrassing She like I sorry I had an affair with Paul Newman I can be out in public right now
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I am Anne Margaret. Anne Margaret? Anne Margaret Elvis' old girlfriend. Oh, well, you know everything.
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Do not fight with me in Baltimore. Do not start a fight at the Rams Head in Baltimore.
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That was legitimate. You know everything. It was more like, you know everything.
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Well, do it that way then. Well, you know everything. You have to put your hands way up high if you mean it positively.
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I didn't shave my armpits. Oh, my God. Oh, yeah. So, Baltimore, you guys have a fucking ton of murders.
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You guys. You guys. There's that applause for murder. That the bartenders are like, what the fuck is wrong with these fucking people?
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They're going to their church group tomorrow all pissed. I actually told Georgia two in the car on the way over that I'm not doing because I was like,
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I'm not doing these, but I have to tell you really fast because this is fucking insane.
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One of them I wanted to do, even though I'm almost positive it's a lie and probably like a creepypasta,
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but it's so good that I was like, maybe I'll just do it anyway and not say anything.
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Just add shit to it. Yeah, just pass it along. It was essentially the plot of Dexter, but here in Baltimore.
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so it's like if if dexter came onto the wire and there was one article about it yeah here it is
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one reporter caught it yeah and then the other one was horrifying too yeah that's fun and then
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i told you one that i didn't do too yes that's right we just you guys had so many we were like
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and they all were so horrifying and we were like it makes it sound like it was the longest uber
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ride ever. It really wasn't that far. We had time to tell all kinds of stories. We did. And we haven't
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found a White Castle yet. But we found an Arby's and that was a mistake. Vince likes Arby's.
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Yeah. He was driving, so it was his pick. He was. Oh, can everyone give it up for Steven right now?
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Steven! Thank you. He's not here. He's not here. Sorry. We're not trying to trick you he's gonna listen to this tonight like after the show he listens to every show it's pretty
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fucking sweet yeah uh he um he was watching my cats which is so great and he sends me all these
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photos and like videos and i can you know how you know your cat's expressions and like what it means
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and i was like they are so annoyed with him he doesn't know it but he was just like
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me me me me me me me me and she was just like no like can you fucking leave me alone and so i was
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worried that my dad who like doesn't like cats is staying there the rest of the weekend and then
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i'm like oh they're gonna be so glad that this guy just leaves them alone yeah so i mean win-win
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what if we go back and steven just has an eye patch and he doesn't really say anything about
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no i like it like this i don't i didn't even like my right eye it's fine me was right you can have
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an eye patch and a mustache or i guess you can i guess he can yeah you have to have a mustache with
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an eyepatch. Yeah. And then you get a poet shirt and you're a pirate and everything's
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fucking rad. Yes. It's so cool. Yeah. Should we sit down? No, no. You don't decide.
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You have to show everybody your dress. Oh, yeah. God, I always forget this. What's it called again?
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Sophisticated something. We checked the tag in her dress last night. Because I was like, it's something funny.
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And it's called the Sophisticated Miss. Yeah. Is the brand of that dress. That's what the commercial
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all it does. Yay! Sophisticated Miss! This season the Sophisticated Miss is going to
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talk about murders. It's the perfect dress. Thank you. And then you. This old thing?
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Now that I'm one year older, I like to wear things that are shapeless and odd. I actually
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this is truly the dress that I like went into a store and I was like, and then ran away and put it on.
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I was like, man, this is not doing me any favors, but whatever. We have to go on the road.
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But I was going to buy a dress at Nordstrom's the day before we left purely because it had pockets.
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Like that's the only reason I wanted to buy it. But I was looking at it and it had, it was like black, but it had like this weird high neck.
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It was almost like a mock turtleneck dress, like a Puritan flap over the side. I was like I will look like an evil dentist
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if I wear this dress I can't why don't I get to have anything however pockets I went to a vintage shop today in your town
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which is like my fucking thing when I get into town I'm like vintage shop and yelp
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and there was one not far so we walked over and I bought something only because I felt bad
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for the owner for the store it was fine but it just wasn't my style but the owner was like so
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you know the kind of like this would look good on you and you like pick up one thing and look at it
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They're like, you like 70s? And she was just like so earnest and like meant it. So I bought like two things.
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I spend a lot of money all the time. Good. And I have a very full closet. Because you pity people?
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Yeah. What a dick. Do you have anything for a sophisticated miss in here? But I bought a new house dress, so we're all good.
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Oh, nice. Oh, good. Fucking flowy as shit. Don't let me catch you. I know. Let's see what else everybody.
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That's been our show? Oh someone brought me a happy birthday balloons last night.
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Oh yeah. Yeah none of you did They were on stage with us Yeah we brought them on stage which the uh union theater uh stage hands did not like they were just like what if they get away we just like well and then when
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vince brought out the um birthday donut candle situation yeah uh they were like well we'll
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follow you out the fire extinguisher it was one candle i'm not fucking making this up yeah
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union pride everybody we fucking break the union like we're just why are we talking shit on unions
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they're great not in this day and age we should not be I feel like there was one other thing
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but then I don't know what it is so I guess we should sit down let's do it thank you
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I feel like this like this yeah on it oh I got a text today from you know the ACLU being like oh um Tuesday California has this
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voter thing don't vote for this thing because it's shitty and it's like it's like fake so the
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cops won't face any you know what is it called charges charges for anything don't but don't
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vote for it and I wrote back like okay and then I wrote uh fight the power and the guy wrote me
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back and he's like all right and like had a little fit like thing and i was like fuck yeah
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it's like a real person that's modern day activism just email your passion around to strangers
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it's going straight to the lapd and they're putting your name in a file who's trying to fight the power did you oh this is my rocky towel for when we're done
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i could wrap it around my neck throw it i don't know what to do with it I'm 47 Happy fucking birthday
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That was it Happy fucking birthday Okay This is what it's going to be like the whole time
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I'm not sure if you know that Is anyone Is anyone unsure of how this goes? You are?
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So are we I feel like these poor people over here Are like They're on like a Oh my god
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You know what's weird? if they paid $500 a seat over there. Why would you do that?
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It's like a Universal Studios ride where you get put into the thing. I know, are you guys cordoned off?
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Are those the punk rock people that just go fucking nuts? Oh, that's cool. They're just like...
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Let's sit here and only tell them the story. Wouldn't that be fun? Sorry. Sorry, everyone else.
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Sorry, Rhythm Nation. Let's get it together another time. I'm trying not to look at this
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So I don't know who your murder is. Even though I know you don't care, but I care.
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Just don't look at it then. I'm trying. But I'm so nosy. And we're back. I'm so sad we're not in a bar right now.
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A fucking cool ass bar. I mean, and a bar with like catwalks and fire escapes all around.
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It's so weird because I guess like if you've never been to a live show, we try really hard to do beautiful, old haunted looking theaters.
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That's like what works best for us. But this like first tour, we just found ourselves in this bar, which was great.
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I'm not talking shit on it at all. It was like so funny. It was amazing. It was just so different from what we did.
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It was really different. And it was also the kind of thing where it was like size wise, I think it was perfect.
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I think everything about it was perfect. But literally, it was like being in a John Jackson video.
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There was no other way to describe it. And like you normally can't see people ordering drinks at the bar or hear them.
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And that just isn't inducive to people talking at the bar, pretending they're not there for that.
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And then also Bud Light flags and just all the merch. It was nuts. It was fun and silly.
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And I think, too, because I feel like you've probably performed in places like that a lot.
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It's a comedy place. But I had never done comedy. So everywhere I've done has kind of been specifically for a show.
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Yeah, nice theaters. Nice theaters. I got real lucky. I mean, even the bars in L.A. that I did like storytelling and stuff at were nice, you know, like the Virgil and stuff were.
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Yeah. Well, they were set up for a show. Yeah. You had a nice stage. Yeah, exactly.
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So that was really fun. I don't know if you remember, but like the energy in that room was so electric and so kind of like we were in it.
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So it made everything kind of click along. And like from my experiential memory, I was just like loved it the entire time.
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I was kind of waiting to see if some crazy thing would happen because there was people standing everywhere.
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Like someone throwing a bottle at you. We're surrounded. How about next tour is called the Sticky Floors Tour.
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And we only do dive bars. Yes. With free popcorn machines. And like pre-vetted hecklers.
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Yeah. And like the drink coasters are all like wet, like reused mats that are like falling apart.
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and drunk couples having separate conversations the entire time like look at this video perfect
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and then baltimore itself is like the most scary like you know in terms of like true crime stories
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there's just it's scary so it was oh man kind of exciting to be like oh like these are the cool
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kids like they're they're not these are not the faint of heart this isn't like you know the suburbs
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no no they've seen some shit also remember that hotel we stayed in it was all old-fashioned and
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crazy. I don't remember any hotel. You remember them always. So tell me. I love a hotel. I can't
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remember like hotel to hotel. Because this was so different. It was almost like an old Victorian
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hotel or something. So I had this crazy window view and it looked like a side room. It felt
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attached but it was almost like triangular as a room It was real interesting And there was like I think a wedding there There was a big staircase Remember that It sounds beautiful It was crazy It really nice That 2017 I don
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remember this, like the hotels we've said in this last fucking tour. I know. So there's just no,
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I mean, I love hotels, but like my brain is like, can only hold so much information and hotel cities.
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The shit I hold on to and the shit I do not remember is pretty, it's pretty disturbing.
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anyway anyway let's see anyhow we had oh we had some arby's on this one we were trying to get
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white castle we were trying to really really test out the deliciousness and we couldn't
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get our hands on it i miss that this time around touring because this tour and that every other
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tour we drove from city to city so we got to go to a lot of like local eateries let's say like
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cracker barrel and um we did a lot of there's nothing but fast food i guess we have to eat it
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I guess we have to have Taco Bell. I guess we have to have Arby's. But this time we were staying in cities.
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So it's kind of like you could have one. Like I'd do like one night of fast food.
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Yeah. But you're trying to stay in places where you're like, oh, you could have a nice juice if you wanted to.
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You can't say it wasn't available. You can make any choice you want. Totally. And look at you.
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Look what you fucking did. And look what you did. Look at you. I remember this was the Arby's where they had the like meat-tacular sandwich that was just like 18 layers of different kinds of meat.
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Oh, yeah. It was called Meatnado, like the meat tornado. Yes. We were in there standing there looking at that thing and being like, we got to get it.
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I was so constipated already. I was like, I cannot eat any of this. I can't suffer through a Meatnado at this point in time.
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I can't do this. All right. Should we get into this? Yeah. So this is Georgia covering the story of Joe Pelzinski.
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Hi, you guys. All right. Back in Baltimore. Jesus. I know it's Bodymore. And then I was like,
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that's so clumsy and then I saw body more murder land today and I was like yeah that is better
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murder land yeah I like it it all came together for you yeah it was like that's it murder land
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part yeah yeah okay this is the killing spree of Joe Pelazinski oh yeah you never know yeah how everyone's gonna you know this one did you see this one I saw it a
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little bit. But I do go into it. Don't be disappointed. I'm going to be an active listener.
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Okay. So Joe Palazinski, born to... What? Why are you laughing at me? November 11th,
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68. I have an eye patch now. Ow! I'm not too far. I literally pluck your eyebrow
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eyeball. Or your eyebrow. My eyebrow? You can take the eyeball, not the eyebrow.
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You look weird without an eyebrow. So. I can always get an eyeball. Back to the murder.
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Oh, the eyeball killer guy was at our show last night. Sorry, what'd you say? The eyeball killer?
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The policeman that saw the eyeball killer murder was at our show in D.C. last night.
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And he hated us. No, he was there to yell at us. I was so scared that I was like, what did I say in that episode
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about the cops and the eyeball killer? and I was like, shit, why is he here? And then I was scared, and then his stepdaughter came,
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and I'm like, is he mad at me? She was like, no, he loves you guys. And I was like, oh, cool.
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We have to go city by city and find out if people are mad at us. That's part of what the tour is.
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Yeah, is he here because he's angry, or is he here because... He's just standing in the lobby with his arms crossed.
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You know, there's nothing we can do. All right, so Joe Palzinski, total fucking dick,
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over a span of 13 years, He lured at least seven very young women, teens, into a fantasy relationship.
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Ugh, I hate those. It's not like a fantasy suite like in Bachelor. It's like a fantasy suite, but over a span of eight months, which is like, ugh, can we just go get coffee?
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Each discovered the truth of him and his dangerously controlling personality. His mom, of course, Pam, doted on him, treated him like royalty.
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What? The way you said, of course, Pam, was like you work with Pam and you're sick of her shit.
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Of course, Pam. You know, Pam, how she is with the files. Well, she's the same way with her son.
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Dotes on him. He's like a man child. His dad commits suicide when he's younger and his sister dies in a car accident.
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And he says at that point he's just stopped fucking caring about life. Done. Yeah.
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uh amy was 15 when she met his nickname was joeby oh i know uh so i'm gonna call him joe now okay
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okay because i don't want to say that word anymore and i don't fucking have to i don't
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fucking want to it's my fucking podcast and yours um sorry there's caffeine in here
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she's drinking liquid cocaine everybody it's fun um okay she's 15 he's 18 he told her he has
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two personalities. Joe number one is calm and rational. Number two is angry and strange. You know when someone, it's like so goth to say
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I'm strange. As he's putting on black lip liner. Yeah, we're like, I get it. Also it's just a, it's a red flag if your boyfriend is like, there's two of me.
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Yeah. You'd be like, you know what, I have to go home. I'm so sorry. That's what 47 year olds say. That's right.
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15 year olds are like, eww. Oh my god, is there more? I'm gonna fix you! We're making fun of it, but it's fucking true.
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That's right. So he kept guns under his bed and in his car. Okay. And once he held a knife to Amy's throat, beat her multiple times,
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including instances when the police and other witnesses were like, Hey, what the fuck's going on here?
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And he'd be like, No, we're fine. We're good. And they would let him walk away with this woman.
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and he was beating the shit out of the child. She suffered a lot of fucking contusions and lacerations.
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Couldn't hear for months out of one ear. He was very abusive. She didn't want to press charges, because she's 15, and that's your thing.
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But her mom was like, oh, hell fucking no, you know what I mean? Because she was probably 47.
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You know what I mean? She's the opposite of Pam. She doesn't stand for shit. she works in human resources and she does not yeah
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her mother later recalls amy's mother later recalls getting a phone call from pam who's like and this is a pattern she comes up with is begging not to press charges
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against her son i'm so sorry he's gonna get help he just needs and he's had a hard childhood
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and amy's mom is like go fuck yourself again um and she said you're gonna he's gonna kill
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somebody someday. Yeah. He pleads not. That's called foreshadowing, by the way. If anybody's in the writing.
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But he never did. No, he never killed anyone. What? Yeah. This is a story about somebody
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else. Oh, shit. Oh, this is for my other podcast. He pleads not guilty by reason of insanity.
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A psychiatrist found some competent to stand trial, and he's sentenced to four years
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in prison in Hagerstown. Hagerstown. Hagerstown. It doesn't sound like anything when you do that. I know.
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Yeah! Oh, okay. We got it. We're a little hurt from last night in D.C. We got it. We had a lot of... Those names are hard.
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And we just, like... Every name was different than how it was spelled. And it was like three times as many as you, and they all were yelling the same thing.
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But this is intimate. Okay. he serves two years including time for an attempted escape
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he's getting counseling he's described as having deliberately dangerous situations, fantasies
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consistent with his identity that he thinks as like a Rambo hero he thinks he is
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and when he would like have girls page him he'd say like, or he'd page girls he'd be like, you know it's me when I page you 007
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you know what I mean I hope he gets sued for that. Sorry, that's copyright infringement.
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You're not allowed to. No. What year was this? So this is all around the early 90s.
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I wanted it to be now. He's such a loser. He has a pager. Look, you can page me.
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Yeah. Just do a 007. So when he's 22, he's released from jail in April 91. he no longer faces prosecution for beating another x years before because the judge just
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dismissed the trial because he couldn't it wasn't fair because he couldn't get a speedy trial because
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he was in prison that whole time so they were like you don't get a you're not you've been gone too
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long so we're not gonna charge you you know what i mean i'm not saying it's one of our rights
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speedy trials yeah but i don't know if that's right how we use it okay i know he goes to date
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other teenagers, charms, all of them. He's, he's like, he's hot in the like, you know, that type.
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007 way? Yeah. He's hot in that. Well, we have a photo of him, but okay. We have a photo.
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Can we put up the, I think it's a noodles is the guy who's doing it. So that's him.
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Oh, can you see it? Is he on Knott's Landing? That filter is amazing. Can we do the next one?
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That's the kind of filter I want to start using. Can we do the next one? Yeah. All right, so this is him.
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Oh, shit. Wait, check that down. Don't look at that. Is that Joby? Yeah. Joby, one, two, three, four, and five?
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It says what he did. Oh, okay. No, we haven't gotten there yet. Got it, got it. I like him in a hat, though.
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So, like, that guy. You know? That guy. He drives a Mustang. He has muscles. He has a pager.
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He has a pager. Got it. He probably wears, like, you know, the denim-washed, light-washed jeans.
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Careful. Oh. but in the 90s, so it's not ironic. Charms the shit out of them, and then he goes on to physically and sexually attack them
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for various infractions. He gave one girl a black eye and threatened her with a razor blade
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because he found birth control pills in her bedroom and was like, you can't fucking take these.
00:29:05
Like, super controlling, abusive, typical. And he's trying to get her pregnant? I don't, yeah, he's like, you can't, you know,
00:29:12
he's just controlling in a way. Wow. Yeah, it's really like classic abusive. Classic Joby.
00:29:23
So he attacks her at school and threatens to blow her brains out. But he also threatens multiple girls that he's going to kill their family and leave them alive to suffer.
00:29:32
So he thinks that he can make a girlfriend come back to him or drop charges if she's terrified what would happen if he didn't.
00:29:39
So just fucking intimidating these girls and their families. um assault and battery uh let's see standoff in 92 that lasted 16 hours with the cops and then
00:29:52
what like he just you know going around he just doing his thing now do you know what the standoff was for He got out of like jail again and then went and like assaulted a 16 13 girl
00:30:08
And I think they, like, came after him and then extradited him back here. Wow. So, let's see here.
00:30:16
He had a rifle and a magnum handgun, and he played Russian roulette, which everyone knows is the tough guy move.
00:30:22
That's the toughest thing you can do. Um, and he'd just constantly go to court after he would beat up a girl.
00:30:31
And, um, he got more and more afraid of returning to jail. And he started thinking that he would do whatever it took to force his victims to drop their charges.
00:30:38
So he's getting desperate because he's getting close to having to spend a long time in jail.
00:30:44
Um, and so he's 27 when he starts dating, um, Michelle, Michaela, who's 17. It looks like Michelle.
00:30:53
Michelle. who was seven, he's seven, she's 17, he's 27. He chokes her and slams her head against shower tiles
00:31:01
on Christmas day in 95. And let's see, he threatened to throw her off the balcony.
00:31:09
So Merry fucking Christmas. Yeah. He sent one of his girlfriend's father to the hospital
00:31:15
because he was like, stop dating my 14 year old daughter, you're 30. And he was like, I won't.
00:31:20
And she was like, I won't stop dating him. He goes to the hospital with four broken ribs and a split lip,
00:31:27
requiring stitches when the father tried to intervene with the relationship. Then he's diagnosed with schizophrenia, paranoid type,
00:31:34
and concluded that he met the criteria of legal insanity at that point. So he's found not guilty on federal weapons charges after this whole ordeal.
00:31:43
Because he pled insanity? Yeah. I don't think he was schizophrenic at all. From everything you read about him, he sounds like he was tricking the system.
00:31:52
being like, I'm crazy, and like years and years of it. Although he did think he was James Bond.
00:32:00
All right. So soon, he has a new sports car. He's out of prison, a Mazda RX-7, and he's romancing a young woman he meets
00:32:09
at where every good relationship starts, at the checkout line at a Super Fresh. Oh, my God.
00:32:17
Sometimes when people ask me how Vince and I met, I lie and tell them that's where it was,
00:32:21
because I really want it to be that. You're like, we were in line at Superfresh, and I saw his pager, and I was like, I have to talk to this guy.
00:32:29
And then when we went out and I saw his car he was driving, I was like, absolutely.
00:32:32
Yes. We're dating. Are we at seven? What is it? Yeah. Mazda. Jail 19 times? Hello?
00:32:38
Yes. Yeah, but then he'd say to the girls, like, you know, yes, I was in prison, and yes, these things happen, but my ex-girlfriend, she manipulated me.
00:32:46
She lied about me beating her up. She lied. I cheated on her, and so she got pissed at me and made all these, you know,
00:32:53
and none of it was real, and the girls were all like, oh, my God, I'm going to help him.
00:32:56
He's right, and, like, they fucking did everything for him. But they were all under 18, except Tracy Whitehead is 20, so that's who he meets in line.
00:33:05
So Tracy is still fighting an addiction to heroin when she meets Joe, and she's also working to get her kid back who she had at 15
00:33:14
and is staying with her parents while she's kicking heroin. but before long with Joe's charming help
00:33:21
she'd been drug free for a year and he would take them on outings and you know just seemed like a good guy
00:33:28
who like wanted to marry her and they moved in together but sometimes he would spit on her
00:33:33
and douse her I'm sorry, could we pause for a second? what occasion? like would he wait till Christmas came around again?
00:33:43
I mean I gleek on Vince sometimes on accident not on purpose I get excited when I tell stories and spit stuff.
00:33:50
Yeah, spittle. Yeah, but not like that. No, no, no. Spit on her, douse her soda, gave her a black eye and a split lip.
00:33:57
And once when she had slipped back into drugs, he knocked her unconscious. A few times he threatened that if she left him, he would kill her whole family, leave her alive to suffer.
00:34:07
So she had just been promoted, like she's getting her life back together. She just promoted to assistant manager at her job.
00:34:13
and she'd been drug free for a year and a half, which Joe took all the credit for.
00:34:17
Sure. And she could finally afford to live on her own and she knew she had to leave this abusive relationship.
00:34:24
So she saved up some money, found an apartment, was ready to move in and leave him,
00:34:28
but the apartment wouldn't be ready for a week. Oh, Jesus. It's like, this is exactly what they littleize.
00:34:35
This is like the plot of it. Oh, is it? Kind of. No, I mean, there's one. There's one, yes.
00:34:42
Yes. Um, so he, she has him arrested for beating her at one point and another assault conviction
00:34:49
would violate his probation and send him to jail for 20, 10 years. And he felt he had nothing left to lose at that point.
00:34:56
Yeah. That's never a good feeling. Um, she secretly, so she found her new place and she couldn't move in.
00:35:03
So her really sweet manager, 50 year old, um, glorious Shank, who had also been in a
00:35:09
bad relationship in the past was like, come stay with myself and my husband. will take care of you. You shouldn't stay there.
00:35:14
So her husband, George, they're in the community of Bollies Quarter near Middle River.
00:35:21
Oh, she said it right. Yeah. Three people live there. It's a gorgeous little place.
00:35:29
When he went to then, okay, so she's staying with them and it's George and Gloria, which actually
00:35:35
I was almost named Gloria or George was going to be my which is so creepy, right? Yeah, that's insane.
00:35:41
I guess so they're all at home the three of them they're watching no Texas Walker Texas Ranger
00:35:46
why is that the saddest part of the story I was editing this and I was like leave that in for
00:35:53
Karen like I knew you want to hear it Joe breaks into the house There an unlocked back door Lock your fucking door He gets in the house and he has his gun and he has two guns
00:36:07
and he says that demands Tracy to come with him. And she panics and freezes and, like, drops to the ground,
00:36:14
and then hears a shot and looks up, and he had shot Gloria. Oh, my God. Then he shoots George.
00:36:20
He killed them both. No way. Yeah. And then he begins his killing spree. He drags her barefoot by the hair into the night.
00:36:33
She's screaming. Their neighbor, David Myers, 42, tries to stop them, and he's shot and killed, too.
00:36:41
He shoves her into his mother's van and drives off, takes her to the woods, holds a gun to the back of her head and threatens to kill her.
00:36:48
she begs him to let her live long enough to tell her son she loved him but instead he
00:36:55
describes what he's going to do to her including blow away her arms and legs and keep her alive
00:37:01
like make her live in a wheelchair for the rest of her life like what the fuck man
00:37:05
he's fucked up fucking fuck abusive he continues to beat her until they find a camper
00:37:12
they go to sleep in the morning when they wake up His anger's gone. It was like, he was one of those people that like the next minute he could be like, can I make you dinner?
00:37:21
You know what I mean? I didn't make that up. That was really in it. And so he's not mad anymore.
00:37:28
He wakes up. He makes a little bed under a tree. And she's like, let's pray. Ask God to forgive you for what you've done.
00:37:37
And he promises, he prays and he starts crying. And he said, I brought a ring. I want to propose to you.
00:37:46
Joby? Not now. I mean, I know it's a nerve-wracking time. That's a scary thing. Oh, that's fucked.
00:38:01
Oh, I mean, to propose to someone. Maybe he just, you know, he's nervous. She's just staring at him like,
00:38:06
Are you fucking, I told you, I wanted to do this at the pier. We were going to do it at line at the Superfresh.
00:38:16
whatever it's called. Shit. That's, yeah, okay. Wow. So, I'm sorry, that means that the ring
00:38:23
was like in his pocket the whole fucking time. Like, that was his plan. Wow. And he was like,
00:38:30
I know this is a bad time. Really? And then, he gave her a necklace with a golden baby ring on it
00:38:38
and that he said it was intended for their first child. Oh, dude. That they were going to have.
00:38:45
Yeah. and he kind of knew he was going to die at the end of this whole thing so he was like I was going to do this
00:38:53
but fuck it here you go tell my mom I love her seriously so she plays along she convinces him to leave the woods
00:39:01
let's go find some food they're drinking from a hose behind a house in Chase when the owner drove up
00:39:08
Joe pulls out his gun and the man fucking takes off to the street waving down cars so he survives
00:39:14
he pushes Tracey into the homeowner's car and then at the evening of March 8th he kills his fourth victim, Jennifer McDonald
00:39:27
she's 36, he later carjacks an 81 year old woman she's not injured, and then they go to the Elrich Motel
00:39:34
on Pulaski Highway someone's just nervously laughing in the back I know. I don't know what to do with any of this.
00:39:46
It's the bartender. It's his first day. And he's like, this is not what I thought.
00:39:50
I thought the Pixies were playing tonight. God damn it. So they're in the motel and on the news,
00:39:59
they're showing pictures of the people that he had already killed. Tracy's crying.
00:40:03
He's freaking out. He says, we got to get out of here. I left the guns in the car, he realizes.
00:40:08
So they go into the parking lot and there's a police cruiser in the parking lot.
00:40:12
Tracy fucking breaks away, runs over to the police car and starts banging on the windows.
00:40:17
And Heath and Joe takes off. Wait, was there a cop inside? I think so. I hope so.
00:40:22
Okay, I do too. I assume. Yeah, okay, okay. She's banging on windows. Yeah, yeah.
00:40:26
She somehow goes to the cop. Okay, good. And so he's like freaking out, takes off,
00:40:31
and there's some woods behind him and he fucking bolts into the woods. Tracy makes it out alive.
00:40:35
Good, good, good. Yay. Wait, but there's still another page. Yeah, we're not. There's one more page.
00:40:44
But I mean, is she alive? Tracy, yeah. Okay, okay, okay. Yeah, she's alive. Okay, I think we talked about this last episode, this what happened next.
00:40:54
Okay. Wait, I don't think anyone else dies. Yay, okay. Because he randomly left certain people alive.
00:41:03
Like he'd carjack them, he carjacks a guy. Let me read it. So there's hundreds of law enforcement officers, bloodhounds, which I really want a bloodhound.
00:41:13
No, you don't. And a robot. They, like, search the woods and the storm drains. Is George part bloodhound?
00:41:22
She's half-hound. She is hound. And she's out of her fucking mind. I love hounds.
00:41:27
Are they crazy? They're insane. They can smell everything. And they're, like, really sensitive.
00:41:32
You have to walk them twice a day or they just stare at you like you're killing them.
00:41:36
And they want to like, they just want to go snuffle and shit. Yeah. Yes. And also those ones are like floppy.
00:41:42
Like if, you know, unless you love spit, I don't know. Whatever your deal is. Well, that's my deal.
00:41:50
So it becomes Baltimore County's most extensive manhunt. People are buying baseball bats and ammunition for their guns and like fucking freaking out Because he just loose in the city and everyone knows there someone just killing people Yeah loose
00:42:05
And then two days later, he goes to Virginia, kidnaps William Lewis Terrell, and orders him to transport him back to eastern Baltimore County and then releases him unharmed.
00:42:17
So it's this really weird, like depending on what mood he's in that day or it sounds, yeah.
00:42:21
On Friday, March 17th, so a fucking week later, you've got some man running around your county.
00:42:28
Can you imagine? He goes to Dundalk. Dundalk? It's pronounced... Sorry, I got that wrong.
00:42:38
I'm from... Maryland. He goes to the home of Tracy's mom now. We're with Tracy's mom.
00:42:49
Okay. Mrs. Whitehead. Wait, I thought they, who were the people who got shot? Those were the, that was her, that was her manager, her job, who, right?
00:42:59
And her husband, who had been in a bad relationship, like stay with us for a week.
00:43:02
So those weren't her parents. Okay, sorry. For some reason, no, I get it. People named George, I just assume that's the dad.
00:43:06
I don't know why. Fair enough. It's a dad name. Yeah, it is a dad name. So her, so Tracy's mother, she's like, because remember he was like, I'm going to kill your family.
00:43:17
Gets to the, gets to their house. You'd think the cops, nope, I'm not going to say it.
00:43:21
Lynn and her boyfriend, Andrew, are there. And their 12-year-old son, Bradley, are all there.
00:43:27
Bradley, like, hears a knock at the door. He's 12. He opens the door and is like, oh, I know Joe.
00:43:32
And they hadn't warned him. He comes in the fucking house. Okay. Can I just say this?
00:43:37
This is what happens when any time there's a little kid around and there's bad shit happening
00:43:42
and the kid goes, hey, what's going on? You go, I'll tell you later. I'll tell you when you're older.
00:43:46
And then that used to happen to me all the time because I was the youngest. so like one time my cousin cheryl's husband was in the kitchen i was like hi what's going on
00:43:53
where's cheryl and then he was like oh we're getting a divorce and i was like and apparently
00:43:58
had been going on for months and just they forgot to tell me so i'm on his side right now i'm really
00:44:05
mad you gotta tell 12 year old kids you've got to the worst thing and that's everyone here was told
00:44:12
like i feel like all murderinos were told the thing at 12 yeah that's right they wouldn't have
00:44:16
answered the door. Every single person in this room would have been like, fuck no.
00:44:21
Joe killed all these people. That weird guy with the Pedro, I never liked him. No.
00:44:29
Okay, so 97 hours he's holding them hostage. That's over three days. Did they get a pee?
00:44:39
Did they eat? I want to know everything. What did they do? Did they play Yotsie?
00:44:41
It was inside that house, right? Yeah. Occasionally firing shots at law enforcement
00:44:47
Who are out front Watching vigil Guard They got the visual on them They're individuals
00:44:57
They're just being themselves out there This podcast for me is Yahtzee I'm just making up words
00:45:08
Isn't that Yahtzee? Nope Which was the one where you make up words with all your words?
00:45:15
Oh, that's Scrabble. I thought you meant just like, YAPSEY! Whatever comes up. Oh, I should have fucking gone with that.
00:45:21
It's the house. Yeah, always go with it. Always pretend like you meant the bullshit you just said.
00:45:25
No, what's the one where you press the thing down and it pops and you have to...
00:45:28
That's Trouble. That's Trouble. It's Hungry Hungry Hippos. Muggle is a hard case.
00:45:34
The popping one is Trouble. Oh, I'll give you Trouble. That was the... If you pop around the back, let the face out you get back.
00:45:42
Oh, I know every fucking song. Diarrhea? Were you singing the diarrhea song? This is not the time to play.
00:45:48
I might have been singing the trouble song in the key of diarrhea. When you're sliding in a hole.
00:46:02
Again, bartenders are quitting in mass. They're just clocking the fuck out. Clock out.
00:46:09
It was garbage. They're going straight to therapy. Emergency therapy. Me too. I agree.
00:46:19
Let's all go. Okay, 97 hours. They're firing shots at each other. And then on the evening of Tuesday, March 21st,
00:46:27
Lynn and Andrew, fucking in the most badass move in fucking hostage situation...
00:46:34
History? History. Yeah. Fuck. Give him a glass of iced tea. Laced with fucking Xanax.
00:46:41
What? Yes. So, Karen. Joby, I made you some special high C. So, Karen, I took Xanax one time.
00:46:54
You've taken it, right? Wait, what? You've taken it, right? All of a sudden, I thought you said, you've done heroin, right?
00:47:01
I was like, yeah, wait. Just tell me right now. Tell me in Baltimore. No, the answer is no, everyone.
00:47:08
I took Xanax one time with my friend. We took Xanax and we watched the Food Network and drank red wine.
00:47:13
Amazing. It was. Sorry, don't do drugs. It was amazing because I had absolutely no feeling about anything at all.
00:47:22
Which was simultaneously I realized how insane I was. I was like, oh, I'm worried about many things all the time.
00:47:29
Yeah, this is usually your brain. Yes. But then also that like calm waters. That's not for me either.
00:47:36
No, thank you. Yeah. I need a little I need a little fretting everyone needs a little crazy yes
00:47:41
little bananas when you don't care about anything well I mean yeah then you become
00:47:47
Pam in HR yeah that's right oh shit well I'll get it later it doesn't matter oh Xanax yeah the first time I took it I was like on a way
00:48:00
And I was really nervous and my friend who was driving me was like, can you shut up?
00:48:03
And like gave me one. And then, and you know how I am in a car. I'm a fucking lunatic, stressed out asshole.
00:48:08
I scream at everyone. Not out, like they don't hear me. I just scream in the car.
00:48:12
And I was in the car driving with her. And then I was like, traffic's cool because you can just like see everyone and see what
00:48:18
they're doing. And then I was like, oh my God, I have bad anxiety this whole time.
00:48:25
And then I knew. And then I got a prescription. You're like, goodbye, caring. Yeah, for sure.
00:48:37
Okay, so Xanax. It fucking knocks him out, which I'm like, how much did you give him?
00:48:43
I bet you they were like, hurry, hurry, and get the other bottle. How much do you think he was mad at her?
00:48:51
I'm being sexist when she was like, I got a Xanax prescription. He's like, you don't need that shit.
00:48:57
And then she's like, aren't you fucking glad I got a Xanax? Andrew. So then Andrew's like, I'm going to peace out and get the cops.
00:49:06
But he makes a lot of noise tumbling out the window in a panic. Yet it didn't wake Pelzinski.
00:49:13
Wow. Because he was drugged like a horse. Okay. They leave. They both leave. The parents both leave.
00:49:19
And they leave the kid in the kitchen asleep next to Joe. Wait. Were they also on Xanax?
00:49:28
They're like, it'll be fine. They also put the kids to sleep. Didn't we talk about that last episode about parents leaving their kids behind when they're like, yeah.
00:49:36
I mean, OK. Sleeping on the kitchen floor. They get the fuck out. They their reasoning, which I'm sure the cops were like, yeah, fucking right.
00:49:44
Is that they were like, well, we thought if you'd wake him up, you'd be like, well, where am I?
00:49:48
What's going on? And wake up Joe. Yeah. Because kids can't fucking wake up silently.
00:49:52
That's true. Which is like, I don't believe that. And then they'd kill them all.
00:49:58
It's like, well, let's just kill your kid now. So what are you doing? They thought it was best.
00:50:04
So they got out, got the cops. The cops were like, what the fuck? There's a kid alone in there?
00:50:09
So they just were like, fuck it, and burst into the house. Wow. Because they're like, we're not fucking waiting for this, which is awesome.
00:50:18
And they say that when they did that, Joe sat up and reached for his weapons. So they shot him 27 times.
00:50:25
Oh, my. And seven of those shots were straight into the beeper. I'm sorry. I hate beepers so much.
00:50:38
I don't know why. Oh, and he died. He died. Oh, he died? He did die of 27 wounds.
00:50:44
Okay. Okay, so here's how I'm going to end it on a positive note, because my God.
00:50:50
So a year later, on Tracy's 23rd birthday, so Tracy sends in, okay. Howard Stern is like everyone send me
00:51:00
listeners send me your hardship stories I'm going to pick one and you're going to get
00:51:04
an all expense paid trip to Vegas and you're going to get one hand of blackjack to win it all like you're going to
00:51:10
I'm going to give you this much money to put on blackjack and here's how much you can win I don't remember how much it was
00:51:14
and so she sends like well here's my fucking story I win yeah and Howard Stern was like uh huh
00:51:22
yeah you fucking win she got picked? she got picked he fucking flies her out to Vegas
00:51:28
and I remember this happening because my brother was obsessed with Howard Stern back then and we would just
00:51:32
that's all we would listen to he picks her she goes there, single hand of blackjack
00:51:38
she wins $100,000 no! oh my god oh my god that's that and then she turns to the first scumbag
00:51:49
she sees hey let's get married oh you just ruined it holy shit that was crazy do we have a picture
00:52:00
is there a picture there's a standoff picture that's him he's a dick and then that's the standoff
00:52:07
the first photo is Tracy and Joe when they were hugging if you can go to the first photo
00:52:14
he can't go back you can't go back I don't need him you can tell we're not used to the visual component
00:52:22
of this podcast It's rusty. You know, indifferent. So that's Joe Palzinski, a fucking killer.
00:52:28
Oh. Wow. Yeah. That's that. All right. I just hit my teeth with the microphone. You did what?
00:52:36
Yeah. Oh, thank you. Let's hear it. Thank you. Yeah. That was big. That was a lot.
00:52:45
Now I want to get Xanax. All right. Okay, we're back. Are there any updates on this case?
00:52:53
There are no updates on this case, but we got a ton of emails from murderinos before and after
00:53:01
we covered this, whose hometown this was. And so I found a good one. Let's see. So this person
00:53:09
has a couple different contact points with this case. I'm going to read you one. And she says,
00:53:16
let's backtrack. Summer 1994, maybe 95. My cousin is six months younger than I am,
00:53:21
about 100 pounds lighter. She meets this guy at a McDonald's where all the teenage meat cutes
00:53:27
happen and they start, quote, talking. Remember when you were just talking with someone?
00:53:32
He's very braggy, a real shit talker. He's a bodybuilder. He drives nice cars, yada, yada,
00:53:37
yada. You know the type. In the process of this, two crazy things happen. My aunt does a handwriting
00:53:43
analysis on this guy and senses he's kind of off. My cousin, being the super slick blood relative of
00:53:50
that she is rifles through his wallet while he's doing the handwriting sample. In doing so she finds multiple identifications with different names in the same photo and figures out he about 10 years older than he claiming to be She asks him who are you really
00:54:05
And his super slick, manipulative asshole reply is, who do you want me to be? She's 16.
00:54:13
She told him to kick rocks. She stayed sexy and didn't get murdered. Went on to have six babies and four stepchildren.
00:54:20
She's really happy in life. I can't tell if that's sarcastic. And then during the manhunt, she says, I'm at work.
00:54:28
My dad calls me to tell me if I'm watching the news, not to be worried. My Aunt Dolly had been taken hostage by that psychopath.
00:54:37
And he took her teapot and stole her car. That's the woman in the story. Oh, my God.
00:54:42
He apparently walked into her house and she said, who the hell are you? And he said, don't you know who I am?
00:54:48
I'm on TV. Like, this has been a massive news story. And then they write, y'all, you have no idea how mean this lady was.
00:54:57
He told her to lay face down on the bed and she told him, no, if you're going to kill me,
00:55:01
I'm going to see it coming. He told her he was hungry and asked her if he could have something to eat.
00:55:06
And she told him, you can have two cookies. I mean, she's tied up and still calling out portion control.
00:55:14
Seriously, brass balls on this broad. When I was a kid, she would make me take two gingerbread cookies and I would sneak away
00:55:19
to shove them in the trash because I hated gingerbread. Her information isn't captured in the reports because, quote, she didn't have time to deal with that nonsense.
00:55:28
She stayed sexy and mean as fuck. She died of natural causes in her old age. So that is an email from Amy about a couple of connections to the story that I just.
00:55:39
I mean, to have two for one, like, yeah, lunatic like this man is insane. Yeah. And Amy's a fraud investigator.
00:55:48
So I'm like, can you be my best friend? Please, that's the coolest thing I've ever heard.
00:55:52
That is very cool. How does Amy figure it out? How does she know? Right. Oh, that's cool.
00:55:57
That's like a- Yeah, so no updates, but I thought that would be interesting. Yeah, I love that.
00:56:00
All right, so let's get into Karen's story. This is the story about Joseph Callenger.
00:56:11
Well, my guy, I mean, it's just as fucked up in so many ways. My guy is Joseph Callinger, the shoemaker.
00:56:23
Do you know that guy? All right. Let me tell you a little bit about him. He was born on December 11th, 1935.
00:56:32
And he was almost immediately given up for adoption. The father abandoned the family.
00:56:36
The mother couldn't handle raising a child by herself. So he gets put into a foster family.
00:56:42
And unluckily for him, he was placed in the worst foster family possible. It was two Austrian immigrants, Stephen and Anna Callinger, and they were both insanely abusive.
00:56:58
So they did stuff like lock him in a closet, forcing him to kneel on rocks. They starved him.
00:57:07
They whipped him. He was beaten so severely that when he was six years old, he got a hernia and he had to go get hernia surgery.
00:57:16
Oh, my God. Which is insanity for a child. And while he was in the hospital, or when he came home to recover from this surgery,
00:57:25
they told him, no, it must have been before he left, they told him the doctor was going to cut off his little bird.
00:57:32
And that basically when he came home, he wasn't going to have a penis. So fun times in the Callinger household.
00:57:39
Oh, no. So he was not on the weekends. He wasn't allowed to play. He wasn't allowed to have friends.
00:57:48
He wasn't allowed to go outside. He had to work in the family shoe shop. This was in Philly where the shoe shop was.
00:57:56
So when he was eight years old, his mother, he told his mother that he wanted to go to the zoo on a class trip.
00:58:04
So his mother hit him in the head with a hammer. Oh, my God. Yeah. on the way home that same year on the way home from school he is uh held at knife point by three
00:58:18
boys in the neighborhood and molested but he is so afraid that he's gonna get in trouble for not
00:58:25
coming straight home after school that he doesn't tell anybody no of course not right baby um but
00:58:31
that's can you imagine like you're that's how horrible this family is is that a horrible thing
00:58:36
happens and he's like oh no a way worse thing will happen if I tell my fucking parents yeah
00:58:40
so super dark uh from jump for this guy um when he was 10 years old he stole money from his parents
00:58:48
to bribe neighborhood kids to go to the movies with him I know I keep saying oh but I have a
00:58:56
feeling he ends up killing a lot of people one day yeah I mean so I don't just we're painting a
00:59:00
picture. There's a context behind it. Okay. There's reasons for things sometimes. Um,
00:59:07
when his parents caught him stealing money, they burned his fingers on the stove. Um,
00:59:13
so they would burn the demon thief out of the fingers that steal. Okay. So as a teenager,
00:59:21
he starts rebelling of course, because he's living in hell. Um, he decides at one point
00:59:26
that he wants to be a playwright and somehow he convinces his parents that he um should be get to
00:59:31
be in a play and get to go do theater so they actually let him do it um and while he's um in
00:59:37
a play he ends up meeting a woman a girl named hilda bergman um and he's 15 years old um but he
00:59:47
immediately they start dating they immediately start having a sexual relationship and two years
00:59:51
later they get married So I think he was 17 and she was a little bit younger than him So they end up having two children Jesus Yeah But Hilda leaves him because of course he viciously beat her
01:00:06
Oh. So she leaves him in 1956. He has a breakdown. He ends up going to a mental hospital.
01:00:13
When he gets out in 1958, he almost immediately gets remarried to his second wife, Elizabeth.
01:00:19
This was back before Tinder. So he must have been insanely charming. with Elizabeth he has five more children.
01:00:29
Wow, dude. And he has taken over the family shoe shop. So the shoe shop is downstairs.
01:00:35
They live in a tiny and squalid apartment space above the shoe shop. And he abuses his wife, of course, and his kids in a lot of the same ways that his foster parents abused him.
01:00:50
Can we break the cycle? I know. And not this guy. So over the next 10 years, his mental state starts to deteriorate as well.
01:00:58
So in 1958, he apparently owned a building somewhere else in town. He sets the basement of this building on fire and then collects $15,000 in insurance payout.
01:01:10
And he ends up doing that four more times over five years to this same building.
01:01:15
So first he lights the basement on fire. Then he goes ahead and lights the second floor on fire, gets a payout for that.
01:01:22
I think you had $11,000 for that. Then by the time he lights the first floor on fire, the insurance company's like, I don't know.
01:01:31
It seems in 1959, he's committed to a mental hospital after attempting suicide. In 1972, he is arrested on child abuse charges because his daughter, who was a teenager, tried to run away from home.
01:01:50
And when he caught her, he ended up branding her with an iron. Oh, shit. And so that daughter, his oldest son, Joe Jr., and their other, I think it's their other daughter, they go to the cops.
01:02:05
And they're like, our father is a fucking monster and he needs to be arrested. And they see the wounds.
01:02:11
They take the kids. They listen to their testimony. and then they take the kids to the hospital
01:02:16
and they see that all the kids have a ton of crazy proof that they've been abused
01:02:22
tons of scars and broken bones that have reset badly, it's intense so he is found
01:02:33
competent to stand trial even though he was tested and he only had an IQ of 82 and he was also diagnosed
01:02:40
as a paranoid schizophrenic so he was sentenced to 11 months in prison for the child abuse but he'd already been held
01:02:49
for seven months so he was given four months probation and released so in 1973 those three children suddenly recant the abuse charges and they come in and they sign
01:03:06
affidavits of the police to say we lied it was never true that he never abused us so from then
01:03:12
on his his record is cleared the charges are dropped and they that's as if it never happened
01:03:18
oh my god yeah so um in 1974 he begins hearing the voice of god speaking to him through what he
01:03:28
described as a disembodied head named charlie sure right we've all had that i mean i see it
01:03:35
Right now. Wait, what's he saying? Hey, you're God. You're God. Yeah. You're God.
01:03:41
You're God. What are you going to do with that power? Take a nap. Oh. Really? Because we need a ton of help out here.
01:03:52
So, well, what Charlie, the disembodied head that was the voice of God, was telling Joseph Callinger was that he needed to start killing young boys
01:04:00
and severing their penises from their bodies. Oh, no. Which, you know, in the book of John, chapter 7, verse 15.
01:04:10
Oh, no. Or is it Ecclesiastes that says? Yeah. So he enlists his 13-year-old son, Michael, to help him out.
01:04:23
He explains what the head was telling him and what the plan is. And Michael's like, sounds great.
01:04:30
I'm in. Let's get this done. Oh, my God. Can you imagine, like, if you saw a talking head named Charlie and you were like, that's fine.
01:04:38
Like, I'm a little crazy. And then he was like, kill kids and take their penises.
01:04:41
And you're like, what the fuck is wrong with you? I'm not that. Like, he didn't have to go along with that part.
01:04:47
Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah. It's horrifying. It is. Well, it turns out, I'll give it away a little bit, but it turns out that there is a chemical component to the leather treatment that they used in the shoes.
01:05:02
Because he was a shoemaker. so he's down in that shoe shop just fucking sucking up those chemicals it's like eating away
01:05:09
his brain essentially i was totally thinking that but then i was like no that's the mad hatters
01:05:13
because the glue the hatters used back then but same diff same fucking diff same diff wow it's all
01:05:18
about ventilation everybody come on get a fan buy a fucking fan open the door when it's nice out
01:05:26
light a fire that's what you like to do joe uh okay okay so it starts to get bad everybody
01:05:33
their first victim they find a 10 year old boy who's playing by himself at a playground
01:05:39
because it's 1974 can you imagine how bone chilling it would be today if you drove by a
01:05:45
playground and there was just like a little boy standing there alone you would call every authority that you could think of
01:05:52
yeah ATF Get down here okay so this boy was named Jose Colazo and Joseph and Michael lure him into an abandoned factory And there they torture him they sever his genitals and then strangle him to death
01:06:11
Oh, this isn't pretty. So his next victim is his own son, Joe Jr. The one he conned in the baby?
01:06:19
Yes. So Joe Jr., after they reported him, it turns out Joe Jr. gets sent to, basically gets sent to juvie.
01:06:30
And one of the reasons is because they found out that he was gay and he was like having an affair with an older man.
01:06:37
So they were like, oh yeah, you're a deviant. You're the one that has to go to, you know, kids jail or whatever.
01:06:43
When he gets out and comes home, Joe Sr. has taken out a life insurance policy on him.
01:06:52
Yeah, always a good sign. So Michael and Joe somehow get him to go to a demolition site with them.
01:07:07
And they end up drowning him there in a puddle of water. And then they just leave the body.
01:07:13
Dude. Yeah. And then Joe Sr. tries to collect the insurance on his son. And the insurance company is like, no fucking way.
01:07:26
And Joe Sr. is like, I didn't do it. I mean, Michael's here. He's fine. And I also took out an insurance policy on him.
01:07:35
And they were like, oh, that's an odd rationale. Two months later, Michael is found wandering the streets in a daze with multiple head wounds.
01:07:47
He's taken to the hospital and he tells police he can't remember what happened. So he basically tries to do the exact same thing to his accomplice who's been with him the whole time.
01:07:59
All right. So November 22nd, Callender and his son begin to break into homes. They basically start driving around the area.
01:08:08
And they start breaking into homes. And this is apparently he tells Michael this is part of this plan.
01:08:14
This is what God does. So they go to Lindenwald, New Jersey. And they break into the home of a woman named Joan Carty.
01:08:22
They tire her to the bed. And Joe sexually assaults her. And then two weeks later, they break into the house in Susquehanna Township.
01:08:32
And they break into a house. And five women are having a bridge game. It is so jarring.
01:08:40
When I read that, I was just like, no, not them. No. Before you tell me what awful thing happened to them,
01:08:45
what if they'd been playing trouble? What the fuck? Yeah. Some old ladies. Yahtzee?
01:08:54
Yahtzee! Okay, now tell me that they all got killed. I wanted to say that before I knew you were going to.
01:09:00
They didn't. They didn't. Woo! But they did get tied up, held hostage. They go around the house.
01:09:07
They end up collecting $20,000 worth of money, jewelry, whatever, from these ladies.
01:09:14
And they also cut one of the women's breasts before they leave. Yeah. So then, about a week later, they go to Homeland, Maryland.
01:09:28
Homeland! And they break into the home of Pamela Jaskey, and they hold her captive.
01:09:35
they forced her to perform oral sex on joseph and then um a couple days later they go and they
01:09:43
break into the home of mary rudolph and they do the exact same thing to her okay now two days later
01:09:50
this is january 8th 1975 um they go they're in leonia new jersey so what they did was they took
01:09:59
the bus into New York City. Then they went to Fort Lee, I think they said. Then they went into,
01:10:06
they just started going to different towns and they would walk around, Joseph Callender and his
01:10:10
13-year-old son. They would walk around these little towns holding hands and cuddling, is what
01:10:16
witnesses said. They were super creepy, weird behavior. And they would walk up to people's doors,
01:10:23
knock on the doors. Like they were casing the houses. They would knock on a door and they would
01:10:27
say is this where the joneses live and then if they thought a woman was home by herself they
01:10:32
would force their way in well you see a kid and i i think that would totally throw me off yeah
01:10:37
it's the perfect yeah but at some places um joe would say that they were salesmen which is
01:10:43
fucking hilarious where it's like i'm a salesman and this is a junior salesman we're here to sell you um candy okay so they finally end up at the home of Edwina Romaine
01:10:56
and her daughter Didi is there with Didi's three-year-old son Robert and their and her 90-year-old
01:11:03
grandmother is Edwina's mother so they're so what's happened is they're Edwina's husband
01:11:09
Didi's father had just had a heart attack and he's in the hospital so basically um her two younger
01:11:14
Her sisters still live in the house with Edwina, the mom. So Dee Dee's there to help take care of the family.
01:11:22
And she sees Robert and Michael Callender walking down the street holding hands, being weird.
01:11:29
She's like, I'm sorry. And then she just goes doing laundry. And then they knock on the front door.
01:11:35
And they say, is anyone else here? And as she goes to answer, Joseph pulls out a gun.
01:11:42
and they force their way in. Wow. They make her strip down and they make her three-year-old son strip down.
01:11:50
Aww. And they tie them to a bed. Now, while all this has happened, Dee Dee's middle sister, Randy, comes home.
01:11:58
And then he dies. does the same thing to her and puts her in a different room. And then their mother and their other sister,
01:12:06
Retta and their sister's boyfriend, Retta's boyfriend, Frank, they all come home.
01:12:10
Jesus, he's like... One thing, just the doorbell keeps on ringing. They were at the hospital visiting the dad.
01:12:18
So they come home and the same thing happened. They get tied up, stripped and tied up
01:12:23
and they get tape wrapped around their head. And then Joseph and Michael start searching the house for money.
01:12:30
Then there's another knock on the door, and it's their neighbor, 21-year-old Maria Fashing.
01:12:36
And she's come over because she's the nurse that's hired to take care of the 90-year-old grandmother.
01:12:42
So she comes in. Joseph forces her, strips her, and forces her and Frank, the boyfriend, to go down into the basement.
01:12:51
so once they're down there basically Joseph ties them up and then tells Maria that she has to bite Frank's penis off
01:13:05
and she's like fuck yourself what are you talking about oh my god and she basically fights him
01:13:18
says fuck off and he slits her throat. Yes. My God. So while they're hearing, they're hearing the family upstairs
01:13:27
is all tied up, but they're hearing, of course, horrible shit down in the basement.
01:13:31
So the mother, Edwina, like she basically like moves her legs around, gets the things off her.
01:13:38
Or I don't think she did actually. She was still tied up. She fucking goes out the front door,
01:13:42
crawls out the front door and starts screaming. And yeah. And the... She makes it to the neighbor's house.
01:13:51
And she's screaming, going, they're killing my family. You know, going crazy. And the neighbor's like, what are you talking about?
01:13:57
So the neighbor just, and then she's like, cut this off my legs. This whole weird thing.
01:14:02
The lady just like leaves her there and goes and calls the police. Because she's like, whatever's happening, the police need to be involved with this.
01:14:08
Oh my God. Because it's insane. Maybe she's making it up. I'm going to leave her out here for a minute.
01:14:10
I mean, who knows what, she's doing this for attention. Yeah. Her arms are tied behind her back.
01:14:16
All right, so the cops come, and they find everybody all tied up and everything.
01:14:25
They go all around the house, and then they realize that the people who have done this are no longer there, that they've run.
01:14:31
So when Edwina got outside and started screaming, Michael heard her and ran down to the basement and said,
01:14:38
somebody, there's people who are going to be coming. We have to go. So they run out the back door, and they ran to the bus.
01:14:45
And as they run to the bus stop, Joseph takes off his bloody shirt and throws it in the garbage.
01:14:52
And then they throw their weapons into the bushes. Then they get on a city bus. Sit down.
01:14:59
Topless. Topless. And sweaty. And weird. And there's still blood on you. Yeah, there's definitely blood.
01:15:08
And they're just like, okay. All right. We just killed three people. Just an hour and a half and we'll be home.
01:15:14
We'll make a new plan. So, of course, it's a tiny town. So everybody in town is like, yes, I saw them.
01:15:21
Yes, I saw them. There's a woman who watched them as they stood near the garbage can,
01:15:26
take off the shirt, watch Joseph take his shirt off and throw it away. So she was like, the shirt's right here.
01:15:32
Everybody in town is like, the gun's over here. And they all saw them together being super fucking weird
01:15:41
walking up and down the street all day. So there was tons of witnesses. And basically what happened is there was a laundry tag in that shirt, which is hilarious.
01:15:51
There was a laundry tag with the first three letters of his last name. Oh, my God.
01:15:56
So when the cops find that, they basically, they see the make, they see the laundry tag, they put it together.
01:16:02
They end up going to the dry cleaners. And the dry cleaners are like, oh, yeah, that's Joe Callender's shirt.
01:16:08
He's got the shoe shop down the street. Yeah. So Joseph and Michael are arrested.
01:16:15
And once they're in custody, Joe... Now, this is another one where this... I'm pretty sure this guy was schizophrenic.
01:16:22
And I'm sure he was insanely fucked up. But once he's in police custody, he just turns it up to 25.
01:16:30
So he starts telling the police that he's been alive for a thousand years. And mostly as a butterfly.
01:16:39
Sure, dude. Like, pick something else. That sounds crazy. It also sounds sad. Like, I'm a beautiful butterfly.
01:16:48
You're not. Actually, do we have a picture of Joe Callender? I think there's... Oh, I want to see this.
01:16:52
I'm a butterfly. Oh, no. I'm a beautiful butterfly. Oh, that's not what I was picturing.
01:16:59
I was picturing almost like Popeye. I don't know why, but it's Bluto instead. It's totally Bluto.
01:17:06
It's Bluto. It really is. Oh. Ew. Oh, Joe. Ew. Ew. Can you go to the next picture?
01:17:15
Because I think both of them are, yeah. And that's his little son, Michael, 13 years old.
01:17:20
That's Joe without a beard. I think the beard is better for him. Yeah, I agree. For the face.
01:17:25
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just want to look at that kid. I had that haircut for sure. Yeah.
01:17:31
A mop top. Yes. Yeah. It's very 80s. If he had hoop earrings, that's me in college.
01:17:38
He looks so sinister. It looks like a little brat, you know? Well, this, I mean,
01:17:45
the sad thing is too, is like, it's all these kids who are just getting like severely abused every single day.
01:17:51
So then, you know, the monster dad is like Oh you my special best friend And so even though it to go torture and rape and kill people he just like well I got picked Like it something good
01:18:05
And it's like, oh, I know what happens when you say no to dad. That's not fucking fun.
01:18:10
You get straight up killed. Okay, so he also told the cops he was on a mission to help people whose brains were malfunctioning.
01:18:25
Because they were wearing badly designed shoes. Look it. These are fucking aerosols right now.
01:18:34
I should not be wearing flats with this dress at all. Fuck it. I definitely need Joe Callender's help.
01:18:43
Okay, so he's found guilty. He's sentenced for the lesser crimes of burglary, robbery, kidnapping.
01:18:51
He's sentenced to 30 to 80 years. And the judge who sentenced him for those crimes called him an evil man who is utterly vile and depraved.
01:19:01
But then, then he is tried for Jose Colazo's murder, the little boy. And on October 14th, 1976, he's found guilty and sentenced to life in prison.
01:19:12
Yay. So, it gets, it's pretty interesting when he goes to prison. he attempts suicide one time by trying to light himself on fire.
01:19:27
Not the best way to go, I would say. No, that's not number one in my book. No. But as he lit himself on fire and also his cell on fire,
01:19:38
he also cracked an egg on his head to see if he could make it cook. What the fuck?
01:19:45
Beautiful butterfly. What are you doing? Yeah. And did it? Yeah. He made it. It was Denny's home run special.
01:19:58
Some hash browns were in there. Now I'm like, he was a psycho. That's the fucking, the butterfly thing.
01:20:05
Fine. Fair. That's just words. Yeah. But now you're getting into cooking. Now you're getting into fucking culinary, self-culinary shit.
01:20:14
Get out of here. This isn't chopped. and he also was fighting the jail guards who were trying to save his life as he burned alive
01:20:25
once they got into his cell he's like can't leave me i like eggs some people theorize that that was an attempt to get transferred because that was he was in
01:20:38
the state prison to get transferred into uh pennsylvania's fairview hospital for the mentally
01:20:43
insane. The egg was a nice touch. That's what he was doing. Yeah, right? Yeah. He got there. He's like,
01:20:49
eggs are fucking crazy and you know it. This is insane. Transfer me. Yeah. We eat the embryos of
01:20:55
another animal. What? And they're like, yeah, you're right. Eggs are crazy. Never mind. Go ahead. He's just a really irritating vegan
01:21:01
it turns out. They have feelings. Get out of here, Joe. So when he's in Fairview, he slashes the throat of a
01:21:11
fellow inmate, but that inmate survives. So then they transfer him back to state prison.
01:21:16
He chilled out for a little while while he was there, but, um, yeah, he couldn't, he couldn't
01:21:21
handle it. 10 years later in a TV interview. Um, Oh, sorry, wait, he's transferred back to state
01:21:26
prison and on March, uh, Oh no, sorry. That's the death part. So I'll say this 10 years after he's
01:21:32
in prison, he's in a TV interview and these are on YouTube. I didn't watch it because he's so
01:21:38
fucking creepy. I think he had that last picture where he's old in jail. Oh, that's sorry. That's
01:21:45
Michael. That's Michael when he got arrested. Oh no. Um, but then the next one is old Joe.
01:21:52
If you could go to the next one, knock, knock, knock. Hello? I'm here to sell you this knife.
01:22:01
so settle settle you're good now why am i getting pinched stay with me i always do that if i have something like i'm excited about to tell georgia i'm like
01:22:17
and now it was like across the room you'll just do this at me like she's got something to tell me i can tell because she'd come over here
01:22:26
Sorry, that was personal side. That's personal. Podcasting. It's an inside joke.
01:22:33
In this TV interview, he told the interviewer that he wanted to slaughter every single person on earth,
01:22:38
after which he hoped to commit suicide and then become God. What about a butterfly again?
01:22:46
Is that what God does, Joe? Kill everybody on earth? Yep. So he gets transferred back to state prison.
01:22:54
and on March 26, 1996, he had a seizure and choked to death on his own vomit in the prison infirmary.
01:23:02
Good. Yeah? That is the proper way for that guy to die. Well, here's what I like about that
01:23:08
if you think about it a little bit. He's in the prison infirmary, which means there are doctors and nurses
01:23:12
near at least within 10 feet of him and he starts choking on his vomit while he has a seizure
01:23:18
and they're like, let's just see how this plays out. We could tip him onto his side, but he's a huge piece of shit.
01:23:29
Here's what's kind of interesting as an epilogue to this. Michael was placed on probation until his 25th birthday.
01:23:37
Because once he was in the system, they realized that this monster father was just using and manipulating him in every possible way.
01:23:46
So they actually changed his name and put him into foster care, and his foster family that he went to protected him When they tried to call him for one of these like there was a bunch of um the what do you call them after the like when they try to like a parole thing or in a
01:24:09
when he's fighting at an appeal thank you very much but please don't heckle on the appeals they call the foster family and they were like he's not going to talk to you he's
01:24:20
not going to talk to anybody don't call us anymore like just don't he's he's not going back there
01:24:25
um and the defense had oh that was the that was my big i i i did the ending in the middle
01:24:34
which was the thing again at the end oh the the substance was called too lean too lean and they
01:24:43
were like they they pretty much think that he was just insane like he's fine now he's fine now
01:24:51
oh no not michael sorry that's the that's the joseph thing that i said earlier got it got it
01:24:55
we're just stumbling to an ending now okay well you can say it again yeah edit that out steven
01:25:00
okay the end thank you i have to tell you now i have to tell you a secret it's this big secret that i'm keeping from you which is that he was mostly a philly murderer
01:25:18
so i apologize for that but he did have the one um in homeland which is close by here
01:25:24
but once i i had it all finished and then i was like wait fuck this is all philly and that's why
01:25:32
i started looking up these other fucking crazy stories one of which can i just tell it really
01:25:37
quick yeah it's that it's that one no I was asking her it was that one and I think maybe you guys
01:25:44
have heard of this but I found it on this website and it's basically um that their row house in 1999
01:25:51
there was the revitalization project where they were knocking down all the row houses
01:25:55
and um when that happened they started finding bodies in the basements of those rows row houses
01:26:02
and the police were assuming that it was all from the drug wars and it was you know they assumed it
01:26:08
was all that but then they start identifying those bodies and um the one thing they all have in
01:26:14
common is they are all sex offenders pedophiles child molesters um all that had served at least
01:26:23
for at least three uh different um crimes had served time in jail and uh there were 51 in all
01:26:31
and they end up in 2004 pulling over a guy so when they do the chemical analysis
01:26:49
or whatever they figure out that they all had sodium pentothal in their system so the police put together that they think
01:26:56
that the killer ambushed them, shot them with sodium which is like a Xanax. Yes, exactly.
01:27:06
It's a local anesthetic, and then it's also a barbiturate. And then it took them into those basements, tortured them, killed them,
01:27:14
and then cut them all up. And so in 2004, they pull a guy over that is a suspicious vehicle,
01:27:24
And they find that he has two suitcases filled with surgery equipment, power drills, sodium pentothal, knives.
01:27:35
Murder kit. A murder kit of the highest order. And so they arrest him. But then they can't keep him on anything because there's no proof that he's connected to anything.
01:27:49
And he disappears. and then he goes down to Florida and then sex offenders in Florida start disappearing.
01:27:57
So I'm like, this is the fucking greatest story I've ever heard in my life. This is amazing.
01:28:02
But I can only find it on this one website, right? Twistedminds.com Which is cool.
01:28:09
There's a lot of good shit on there. But it was just this one thing. And the way it's set up is the guy that wrote it said,
01:28:16
I was told this by a freelance crime reporter. huh is that a thing um and then it said his name which was like joaquin kale something and that
01:28:28
person doesn't exist so um ultimately i think that may have been a creepypasta of some kind
01:28:35
because i can't although they were finding bodies when they knocked down those row houses there's no
01:28:40
proof that any of that other stuff ever happened so i couldn't i had it i was writing it out by hand
01:28:46
so stoked. And then I was like, well, this could probably be a lie. Like there's no way to prove
01:28:52
it. Yeah. So it's not true. Unless someone in this audience wants to start. Yeah.
01:29:01
Okay. We're back. Karen, do you have any updates? There are no updates on this case,
01:29:06
so we can just go straight into our two hometowns from the live show. Yeah. The first one is about
01:29:12
the West Virginia co-ed murders and the second is about Michael Mailey. Do we have time for a hometown? Yeah. Oh, should we do it? It's now time for one of you to tell us
01:29:28
your hometown murder. Is it her? Wait, Karen, are we going to do this one? Oh, sorry. Hold on.
01:29:33
Wait, or should we pick someone? Maybe both. Maybe both. Maybe both. All right, let's start
01:29:39
with this one because Karen and I got backstage there was two envelopes and we got invited to a wedding and she included I can hear her freaking out
01:29:51
anything she included her hometown and I was like oh fuck let do this one so it Grace Douglas are you here There she is Come here Oh and she accessible I was going to be like if you up there fuck off Vince is going to walk you up
01:30:07
Here's the thing, though. I'm not going to that wedding. Oh, no, no, no. This is a, this is a, what's it called?
01:30:13
You know, like, sorry, but here's a gift. Yeah, but I'm also, I'm not giving a gift.
01:30:18
No, this is it. Oh, this is the gift? Yeah. Wow. Hi, Grace. Hi. How are you? Oh, we have a mic for you.
01:30:26
Hi. Thank you for the invite. Let me get you a microphone. Oh, I like your shirt.
01:30:30
Thank you. Oh, here, you get your microphone. Okay. Let's go stand over here in the right so you can get scared.
01:30:36
Get in here. Send her up. All right. Say your name and your grade. So I was looking at your, thanks for the wedding invitation.
01:30:45
You're welcome. We'll take beef. And I was reading your murder and I'm like, oh, this is good.
01:30:52
It's good. Yeah, it's pretty crazy. And you didn't know about it for a while, right?
01:30:55
I didn't. Okay. Well, I'm going to let you go. Yeah. Okay. So my mom was an x-ray technician, and they did school a little differently back then.
01:31:04
She was at West Virginia University. And they... Really? They threw her into practicals right away.
01:31:13
And this was like 1970, I believe. And there were two freshman girls that had gone missing a few weeks earlier.
01:31:21
They didn't have like a transportation system at WVU and to Morgantown, so hitchhiking was common.
01:31:27
And the girls had gone in to see Oliver, I believe, and then they disappeared. The musical?
01:31:34
Yes. Okay. I thought we were supposed to know who he was. A specific person, yes.
01:31:38
And my mom had switched on-call shifts with someone for that night. And so she was just in the on-call room, and she got Paige to the morgue.
01:31:49
and she hadn't ever been to the morgue um this is the first time she was like this is weird i don't
01:31:54
know what i'm doing she grabbed the portable x-ray machine went down there and there were a bunch of
01:31:57
cops and they told her that they had found those girls and that they needed to the bodies were
01:32:03
pretty decomposed so they wanted her to x-ray for bullets um so she got in there and kind of like
01:32:11
pulled back the sheet and they had no heads so i mean we knew it was going to be bad
01:32:17
yeah no one had warned her so she's freaking out but she finished her job and then decided she was going to quit school but she didn't
01:32:26
she had a couple drinks after that yeah sure well she had to finish her on call shift so she was
01:32:32
kind of stuck there so she snuck drinks going back to paperwork yeah yeah so the story gets
01:32:39
weirder because they'd been looking to figure out what had happened to the girls and they got an
01:32:44
anonymous letter that directed them to the bodies and that's how they actually found them
01:32:50
um and so they tried to trace back where the letter came from and it led them to a religious
01:32:55
cult here in maryland um who had said that they held seances which then told them who the murderers
01:33:05
gave them descriptions of the murderers and told them where the bodies were yeah so they had sent
01:33:11
sent them another the police another letter to before they had talked to them that told them
01:33:16
where to find the heads but they never found the heads um so that's weird then they actually the
01:33:22
police looked into this cult and they cleared them all of any linkage to the murders even though
01:33:27
they knew where the bodies were i don't know no she's really mad at you i am i still think they
01:33:35
had something to do with it they never found the killer well then there was a guy who was in jail
01:33:40
for something else. I think he had raped an underage girl. And he confessed to the murders.
01:33:48
But it was like a jailhouse confession and a lot of stuff didn't add up. And he gave a very elaborate story about picking them up
01:33:56
and then chopping their heads off with his brother's machete because people just have machetes.
01:34:04
Was his brother from the jungle? Good question. And then he later recanted, though, but he was still convicted.
01:34:15
He appealed, was convicted again, and then he died in jail. And then since then, though, there was like one of the original detectives that worked on the case has never really given it up.
01:34:23
And so they have reopened the case now, and it's considered an unsolved murder. Wow.
01:34:30
Did that just happen recently? It happened a few years ago, yeah. Wow. And I looked it up because after I started listening to this, my mom had told me this just casually one day when I was in junior high.
01:34:38
She was like, oh yeah, when I was in the hospital working, you know, there were these headless bodies.
01:34:43
And so I, you know, I was like, I wonder whatever happened. Because as far as she knew, they never found the heads.
01:34:48
Although, oh, the other thing, when she was working, especially the doctors would tease her all the time.
01:34:54
They'd be like, hey, Joanne, they need you in the morgue. They found those heads.
01:34:59
Inappropriate. Fucking doctors. Yeah. No, such dicks. Yeah. Wow. Is it called something like the so-and-so murders?
01:35:07
They call it the West Virginia University co-ed murders. Look in that fucking shit out.
01:35:12
Wow. Yeah. Thank you. Grace, that was awesome. Congratulations on your wedding. Thanks for being here.
01:35:20
Thank you so much. That was good. That was good. I'll take that. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
01:35:27
That was nuts. Right? Shit, girl. Oh, my God. Should we do one more? Do you want to pick someone?
01:35:32
Yeah, can we do one more really quick? Yeah, I looked at you. I looked right at you.
01:35:37
So come up here, but do it quickly. I know, I don't either. If you go over, like there's Vince putting his hand up in the back.
01:35:47
Look straight back. That's the tall guy. There's Vince back there. There's Vince.
01:35:55
He takes care of us. Yeah, turns out. He gets us really good. Peruvian food backstage.
01:36:01
I mean, here's the thing. When you're a nurse or an x-ray technician, a part of your job can be just one day someone calls you,
01:36:07
and it's like, go down and x-ray people that don't have heads. They don't even add that part in.
01:36:13
That's just part of it. They don't have to tell you. Hi, what's your name? Hi. No, you're not.
01:36:18
Hi. I'm good. How are you? What's your name? I'm Amanda. Hi, Amanda. Amanda's here, everybody.
01:36:24
Wait, are you Amanda? Is that you? Yes. Oh, is this the one? Oh, holy shit. Holy shit.
01:36:29
She's got my name. How did we know? Yes. You said. I'm 30. Yeah. Tell us what you tweeted at us because it was hilarious.
01:36:39
Yes, that's right. I've been obnoxiously tweeting at you. I know. I know. I love it.
01:36:42
Forgive me. I don't even use Twitter. Don't even. Okay. So I dated a murderer. Oh.
01:36:48
Yeah. But wait. My mom's not happy about it. You also said I'm going to wait to get blackout drunk until after your show.
01:36:58
So pick my murderer. This is a real life story. I love it. I know you want me to be, I'm so sorry.
01:37:02
No, no, you're fine. Wait, I have to tell something really quickly. I told Georgia, there's this girl who just made the funniest joke on Twitter.
01:37:11
And then she's like, yeah, but we just got this wedding invitation. And so, and she's like, ooh, this is a good one.
01:37:17
So then we do that. Then we're like, we have another minute. I don't know, it's you.
01:37:22
I just, I'm psychic is what I'm saying. Did you see that? You're so good. Thank you.
01:37:28
Thank you. See that girl right there? That's my best friend. She just graduated college to be an RN like your mom.
01:37:34
Oh, my God. She's a badass single mom. Congratulations. Her son's, this is going to be like downer than an upper real fast.
01:37:42
Her son had cancer. Kick cancer's ass. Oh, my God. Yes. Don't try to make me cry.
01:37:49
Mother's gonna make it. I'm sorry. Okay, tell your story. Okay, so anyone here from New York?
01:37:54
Oh, my God. Yeah, girl. Okay, so. You're both going to make fun of me for this. But we bartended an outback steakhouse.
01:38:03
Nice. Fuck not making fun of that. They're great. We love that place. So I was also like a raging alcoholic around 18 to 21.
01:38:14
And this guy who owned a Quiznos thought it was cool at the time. Wanted to hang out with me.
01:38:20
So we went to a waterfront bar. Drove myself and my cousin home. And I was like, this guy's slightly creepy.
01:38:27
Yeah. And wasn't enjoying it. And I had him drop me off at a diner. Because I was like, I don't want him to know where I live.
01:38:35
So I called my stepfather. Smart. I thought it was real smart. It's very smart. I called my stepdad.
01:38:39
I was like, listen, my best friend, didn't know this guy's first name, is going to drop me off this diner.
01:38:45
Will you pick me up? He was all about it. So fast forward a couple years later a very good friend of mine who is smoking hot Like you know you have those friends that are just like real hot Sure She so hot And she starts dating him and we like that not the best idea
01:39:02
The Quiznos guy? The Quiznos guy. Okay. Can't she get anybody? She's 21. And everyone's like, you know what?
01:39:09
She's real hot. He's got a lot of money. This is a good idea. Give me a lot of money.
01:39:15
You know what? he gives me Molly on the weekends and I really like it. And I was like, go for it, girl.
01:39:21
And then she told me, she was like, you know, he got real mad at me. We ordered pizza.
01:39:27
He went to pick up the pizza and I looked in the drawer for a pen. And when I came home, he was like, you opened the drawer.
01:39:34
She was like, what are you talking about? And he was like, I taped the drawers. I know that you opened the drawer.
01:39:39
And she was like, well, that's kind of weird. This is all happening at an Outback Steakhouse.
01:39:45
very big news okay okay did she work at the steakhouse too sure did fuck yeah sure did
01:39:50
and um way too hard to work at the steakhouse I'll tell you that um and so she this is about
01:39:58
a month after that she says to me listen he went to a club last night he came home the next day and
01:40:05
he said you know there's this girl that's missing but we hung out with her all night I want to help
01:40:10
the cops. And so she was like, yeah, that's great. And the cops want to talk to you because you used
01:40:16
to hang out with him. And I was like, yeah, that's great. So we talked to the cops and they're like,
01:40:21
listen, this girl's missing. Her name's Laura Garza, which was a very, very big case in New York.
01:40:26
If anyone's heard of it, it's really beautiful girl from Texas, Hispanic girl. She was beautiful,
01:40:32
ends up missing. And so the state troopers come to our Outback Steakhouse. She's a hostess.
01:40:36
I'm a server at the time. The state troopers come in. They say, listen, your boyfriend knew this girl.
01:40:41
Can we have your cell phone? And she was like, uh, okay. But I thought he was helping you.
01:40:46
And she's like, you know, we just need your cell phone. Fine. That's great. She gives him the cell phone.
01:40:51
That night she sleeps at his house. No. Okay. She sleeps at her boyfriend's house.
01:40:56
With no cell phone? With no cell phone. Oh, shit, girl. And in the morning, he's like, my landlord's coming over.
01:41:05
My rent is due. and my lease is up. I got to clean everything, top to bottom. And I spit a little bleach on this part of the carpet.
01:41:14
So I cut a piece out of the closet and I'm going to put it right here. She helped him.
01:41:22
She goes back to work, set out back to the steakhouse and we're all there. State troopers come in and they're like,
01:41:29
bitch, you got to go. She's an accomplice, they think. Well, long story short, the dead girl was in the closet while she slept he was having sex with her and she saw a picture of super hot smoking hot lindsey and said do you have a girlfriend And he said yes And she got real upset and he strangled her Oh my God
01:41:54
Put her in the closet, got spooked, had the girlfriend stay over. She helped him bleach the apartment.
01:42:02
No, but not knowing why. Not knowing why. Okay, okay. 100% not knowing why. And it took, okay, and I live in a pretty small hamlet.
01:42:10
It's about an hour north of Manhattan, kind of west, but they were looking in the woods, in my woods, my parents' woods, everyone's woods, could not find it.
01:42:19
The mom of the girlfriend was like, listen, he came, he had dirt in his clothes, and he said he helped him to change her tire.
01:42:26
I don't know if that helps you. He had dumped the body in Pennsylvania, but it took them almost a year to find it.
01:42:33
And she, I mean, smart thinking, ended up dating a state trooper after. Nice. She did.
01:42:39
Yeah, she did. She did. Smoking hot. Lindsay got herself a cop. He dumped her. But eventually, she's got a nice boyfriend now.
01:42:47
But he. What's the name of your podcast? Because I'm going to start listening to it, girl.
01:42:53
I love Karen. But she legitimately was asleep in the apartment the entire time. That's with a body.
01:43:01
Fucking insane. And he, in court, she had to testify against him. And he said she saw a picture of you and pointed to her.
01:43:10
and said, she saw a picture of you and freaked out. So I strangled and killed her.
01:43:15
And you know, like real, I mean, we're kind of in a dumb town. People aren't very educated.
01:43:20
They're like, there's pieces of her body in Quiznos subs. Oh my God. That Quiznos got shut down.
01:43:30
Say that right now. But yes, our friend Lindsay did stay sexy. She did not get murdered.
01:43:35
Thank God. But she was real upset because the family came from Texas and camped out at our Outback Steakhouse every day to ask her for what she knew.
01:43:43
Wow. Real ox-offs. That's a lot. I feel real cool across this table. Amanda, right?
01:43:52
Yes, Karen. Amanda, that was the best hometown murder I think we've ever had. I'm sorry.
01:44:01
Lauren. That's the badass nurse mom. Grace, you were amazing. Amanda? That was great.
01:44:08
Hilarious. amazing. Thank you so much. Thank you. You have dogs and asses. I don't want to
01:44:17
take this from her. We'll see you later. Should we just let her take this? Exactly. She just keeps talking.
01:44:22
Anyway, the other thing that happened at Outback Steakhouse and a lot of crazy shit happens there,
01:44:27
let me tell you. She was fucking good. I can learn something. Here's the thing that's really irritating. When I started
01:44:35
stand-up comedy in 1990, not that many people did it and very few people were funny and not that many people were good at it And now everybody hilarious and everyone good at performing And it like the most fun thing in the world But it took me forever to get like to Amanda level
01:44:50
And it really pisses me off. Really pisses me off. I am 100% not there yet. Like, not even.
01:44:58
There's, we're gonna need it. You'll get there. You'll get, you know what you have to do?
01:45:01
You have to bartend it out back steakhouse. Oh, fuck yeah. Practicing. I'm gonna take her class.
01:45:07
okay we're back georgia do you want to give some updates on these hometowns well there's no updates
01:45:16
for the west virginia co-ed murders sadly that case remains unsolved however michael mailey was
01:45:22
sentenced to 23 years in prison and that wraps it up so this episode was originally titled live at
01:45:30
rams head live oh wait a second here's the thing it's called rams head live the actual place
01:45:35
that's what it is so we're just making the joke of live at ram said live i love it i did not get
01:45:42
that i was like i love it i know i just realized that but if we were naming it today i don't want
01:45:50
to change it but we could name it no couth on a plane about me i have gotten better about being
01:45:56
on planes and not looking like a total fucking you know victorian child who lives on the street
01:46:03
but not much, not much. But I mean, why? Also, this is such an amazing line. Georgia, Georgia.
01:46:11
Why did I say that? It's the Trouble theme song. And in the key of diarrhea, it's just.
01:46:20
Oh, that's so blue. I never say that kind of thing. It's such a live show. I just say I was constipated.
01:46:25
It's such a live show line where we're just out there. It is. We used to do live shows like we're just leaving it all out here
01:46:30
and only these people are going to hear it. Totally. And then, of course, post it.
01:46:34
Right. And then finally, we could call it ending in the middle, which is what she did, which we like to do.
01:46:43
You know, it doesn't have to be linear. These stories can end in the middle. You have to put the ending in the middle.
01:46:48
It's almost more exciting when it's that way. It really is. Well, that was our live show at the Rams Head Live.
01:46:53
Thanks for listening, you guys. Let's say goodbye from Baltimore. This is such an amazing show.
01:47:01
We love you. Thank you so much. What a great crowd you are. Thank you for listening.
01:47:09
Thank you for being a part of the Rhythm Nation. Yeah. It's so nice that you came.
01:47:17
Punk rock crew. You guys fucked it up the whole time. Thank you for being punk. Thank you.
01:47:23
And stay sexy. And do it! Bye, you guys. Thank you. Thank you.