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Hello and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia. You know, every Wednesday we recap our old shows with all new commentary and updates and insights.
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We truly do, Karen. Yeah, we really do. And today we're recapping episode 83, which is the second half of our two-part Unqualified crossover, which we succinctly titled Unqualified with Anna Faris Crossover Part 2.
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This episode came out on August 22nd, 2017. Now let's listen to the intro of episode 83.
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Sim, this is when you're supposed to talk. Well, this is part two. I'm excited that we're all back here. Thank you for showing up again.
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No problem. It's a long drive, but worth it. It's so crazy you're wearing the same...
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I know. Well, I love it, though. This is my Thursday shirt. All right, so we're going to start with Anna first.
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She's going to do her favorite murder. After that, we'll go to Georgia. You'll do yours.
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We have one more advice call, and then we're done with the show. Okay. Are we calling this my favorite unqualified?
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My favorite unqualified. I love it. Can I? I didn't mean to cut you off, Georgia.
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There was nothing else to say. I feel that way all the time. I wish you would just start.
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And we're back. We had to learn what other people's podcast engineers are like. Totally.
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Because Sim was the Stephen of Anna Faris' Unqualified. Yeah. And he was great. We were like, Stephen, step it up.
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Stephen, you're no Sim. Could you imagine if he said that? No, but it was like a different energy.
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And then we're just kind of like, we are combining podcasts right now. It's so weird.
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Very strange. Yeah. We said last episode about how incredibly wonderful Anna is and was and will be and always will be.
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And always will be forever and ever. I mean, it was interesting to meet a person that we already knew.
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And have them know us. Yeah. Separately from us directly knowing them. Right. It's not like, oh, this is a fellow podcaster.
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What's up? It's like, oh, hey, you're a fucking A-list celebrity and we're in your house right now.
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And we just found out that you somehow know who we are. Yeah. So now we're all acting chill about it.
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Why are you so pretty? It's like not fair. And tiny. I have so many questions for you, Anna.
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Yeah. All right. Well, she delivers. Yes, she does. In her story. Let's get into Anna's story about Rebecca Schaefer.
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2026. For full offer details, visit BoostMobile.com. Okay, so I have to tell you, though, I have to qualify this with, this is actually like a story that I remember very vividly and kind of has sort of haunted me throughout Hollywood and like, and the idea of sort of becoming well known, shall we say famous?
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Oh, my God, oh, my God. I think I might. Do you? Maybe. I have two ideas of what it could be.
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It's like, as all these stories are horribly tragic. Oh, I know it. You do? I bet I do.
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What? No, I'm excited. No, no, no. It's terrifying because, you know, I live here, like whatever, like in a weird home.
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Give them your address. Yeah. And anytime there's a ding dong in the back of my mind, this story comes up a little bit,
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which is Rebecca Schaefer. Oh, shit. Is that what you were going to guess? You were?
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Karen, you were going to guess it? It was either Rebecca Schaefer or Teresa Saldana is the other one.
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Yes. I was going to get Sharon Tate. Oh, I couldn't go quite there. I can never do that one.
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This is one of the most, well, they're all tragic stories, aren't they? It's so sad.
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Okay, so Rebecca was born November 6, 1967 and raised in Portland, Oregon. And she wanted to grow up being a rabbi, but when she was 14 years old, her good looks caught the attention of a cattle call.
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Which my good looks never caught the attention of a cattle call. My good looks caught the attention of a temple.
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Of a rabbi. Hey. At a local modeling agency, less than two years later in 1984, after appearing in a number of Portland area publications, she went to New York to pursue her modeling career.
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Her modeling career didn't take off due to being only five foot seven, which. Oh, poor thing.
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Gross. So she decided to focus on acting, quickly appearing in television commercials, Seventeen Magazine, Woody Allen's film, Radio Days, and One Life to Live.
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So she became very successful. She was a stunningly... Who was she in Radio Days?
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It was cut. Oh, son of a bitch. That movie's so good. In 1986, at the age of 18,
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her work caught the attention of Los Angeles casting directors. And she was cast in the CBS sitcom,
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My Sister Sam, playing the character of Patty. Sam's next door, Sam's girl next door sister.
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What the fuck? Who wrote this thing? Yeah. Okay. Anyway, now she's living in L.A.
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Rebecca was on the fast track to stardom. Can I just say that my sister and I loved my sister Sam from the second it came out?
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We loved her so much. She was just one. She looks like one of those classic all-American girls.
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Curly hair. Great face. Beautiful. But also like sweet. Yeah, you could feel her positive.
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Because I watched it too. And you could feel like her, I don't know, I hate to say positive energy.
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That sounds like a very L.A. thing to say. But a warmth. She had the Sandra Bullock feel to her.
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Where you're like, oh, I'm friends with her already. So now we have the stalker.
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The stalker comes into play. He's always a fucking stalker. Yep. Robert John Bardo.
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So he was a 19-year-old Tucson resident. Bardo repeatedly had a troubled childhood, an alcoholic mom, a mentally ill father.
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He was abused by one of his siblings and placed in foster care after he threatened to commit suicide.
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He was diagnosed with manic depression and at one time institutionalized for a month for emotional problems.
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Don't put your fucking kid in foster care if he wants to kill himself. No kidding.
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So beyond that timeline, beyond that, it says here on my info sheet, beyond that Tim time, he received professional help.
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Damn it. Beyond that Tim time, he received professional help. But, okay, back to my sweet Rebecca.
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At age 16, before stalking Rebecca, he stalked a child peace activist, which I always thought was an interesting detail.
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Is that her choice? How do you find the child peace activist? But anyway, a wonderful woman named Samantha Smith,
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who tragically died in a 1985 plane crash, which weirdly was a year of a lot of plane crashes.
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85? Yeah, 1985. Is that John Denver? I don't know. I don't know. Probably. Don't ask me too many questions.
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I've just got to read the Tim Timesheet, okay? Karen usually knows these weird obscure facts.
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I was scraping my brain. Was that the one where the rugby team ate each other? Yeah, maybe.
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That's the one. That counts for three, that one. Anyway, so this fellow, Bardo, he was lonely and he spent a lot of time watching television, believe it or not.
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He discovered Rebecca's sitcom, My Sister Sam, and he became pretty smitten. He saw her as beautiful and wholesome.
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Wholesome. God, can I say that again? Wholesome? That's like how you describe oatmeal.
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Mm-hmm. But innocent, I think, is sort of the major point that we'll get to later.
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And he collected her magazine covers and talked about her as if they were friends.
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I don't know who you talked to her about because I don't think he had a lot of friends.
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Maybe he just- The grocery store clerk. Yeah. Whoever he bought the magazine from.
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So over the course of three years he wrote a ton of letters to Rebecca And one letter was answered by an employee of Schaefer Rebecca Schaefer fan club And he was encouraged by that
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He came to Los Angeles hoping to meet her on the set of her sitcom, My Sister Sam.
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But he was turned away by Warner Brothers security. He was pissed. He returned a month later armed with a knife.
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But security guards once again prevented him from gaining access to the actress.
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I don't know why. Yeah. You can't get on to that Warner Brothers lot. You can't. Not the first time. The second time, they're like, come on in.
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I would love it if somebody was like, I got a knife. I got to see her. Oh, well, then you should have said that the last time you were here.
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Okay. So he later said that he brought the knife because he thought Rebecca was becoming too arrogant.
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The security weirdly thought that he was just harmless and lovesick. And he was never reported to the police.
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So once again, very upset. He returned to Tucson and lost focus on Schaefer for just a little while.
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His obsession shifted towards pop singers Debbie Gibson and Tiffany. Oh, I mean, mine did too, but I was a fucking psychopath.
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I mean, 85. Which voice did we have, right? They were on their mall tours. Yeah.
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So during this period, he was arrested three times on charges, including domestic violence and disorderly conduct.
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okay now we're getting to the actual tragic events and i hope our listeners know and everybody knows
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that um this it's i'm i'm simply like the scary movie one two three four actress not five too old
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wait explain that to me i did not understand that well because here's the scary movies
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But in all the scary movies. But fame is an odd thing. And I don't think that, I hope nobody comes over and does a ding dong.
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We could talk about this for half an hour. But I do, yes. But the obsession with fame is something that at times has freaked me out just a little bit.
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Not too much, because, you know, I'm simply that other one. Not like a beautiful 21-year-old who stars on a massive, well...
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Honey, it's okay. You're not going to seem arrogant. Oh, thank you. Or scared of psychopaths.
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So on June 3rd, 1989, our murderer turned his attention back to Rebecca after watching her in the black comedy Class Struggle in Beverly Hills.
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Have you seen that? Have you seen that? Yes. But is that the name of it? It's not Class Struggle in Beverly Hills.
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Is it Troop Beverly Hills? It's right. Class Struggle in Beverly Hills. Oh, do you guys want to fight?
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Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. That'd be amazing. Do it. I'm thinking of the one with Nick Nolte.
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Right. No, this was like a, I'm sure it was like a B movie. I really don't show it anymore.
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No, no, no. So she had a scene in bed with a man. And Bardo went into a jealous rage and decided that
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she should be punished for becoming another Hollywood whore. It's like an arrogant piece of shit.
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I know. He believed that she had lost her innocence. So he paid a detective agency $250 to find Schaefer's home address in California DMV records.
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No. And Bardo's brother helped him get a handgun because he was only 19. I guess maybe in Tucson you can't get a gun.
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I'm sure the laws have changed. You can get a gun now when you're nine. You actually get one automatically when you're eight years old.
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An automatic automatically. Okay, so on July 18th, 1989, he traveled to Los Angeles a third time.
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I bet. Do you think he drove? I think he took a bus, right? I remember watching a reenactment thing and he's like, do-do-do off a bus, like a greyhound.
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Like, I bet he smells. Wonderful. Okay, so he went to her apartment, which is in the Fairfax District, around 6.30 a.m.
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Oh, no. Can you imagine? So he rang the doorbell. The intercom was not working that day.
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That fucking manager. Oh my God. Manager and detective need to go on an island. Yes.
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Stay there. So Schaefer was, she was up preparing for an audition for the role in Godfather Part 3.
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Oh, she was up so early. So she answered the door. Barter showed Schaefer a letter, an autograph that she had previously sent him, probably through the agency that sends that stuff out.
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Rebecca thanked him and said she was busy and had to go. So then Bardo went to a local diner and had breakfast and he was very disappointed.
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An hour later, 10, 15 a.m., he returned to Schaefer's apartment for the second time.
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Schaefer answered the door again. This is a weird detail. I know it's weird. Wearing a black bathrobe, which maybe she looked, of course she looked incredibly hot.
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And maybe that agitated him even more. She was about to get dressed for her audition.
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He pulled a gun from a brown paper bag and shot her in the chest at point-blank range in the doorway of her apartment building.
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And Schaefer apparently became screaming, why, why? She collapsed in her doorway as Bardo fled.
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A neighbor phoned paramedics who arrived to transfer to Cedars-Sinai Medical Center, and she was pronounced dead 30 minutes after her arrival.
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And she was 21 when she died. And so anyway, he was arrested a day later in Tucson, Arizona after motorists reported a man running through traffic on the 10 and he immediately confessed to the murder.
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So in 1991, he was brought to trial and prosecuted by Marsha Clark. That's so weird.
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Yeah And during the trial Bardo claimed that the U2 song Exit was an influence in the murder The song played in the courtroom as evidence Which one is that Someone sing it to me
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I don't know that one. Every Breath. No. I swear to God, I feel like U2 would know so much trivia.
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I'm sorry. No, I don't. Yeah. Oh, boy. This is a hard one for me to talk about a little bit.
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Well, they're all hard, aren't they? They're all awful. Yeah. Yeah. So Bardo's attorneys argued that he was mentally ill, that schizophrenia had led him to commit the murder. So he was convicted of capital murder and he was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole.
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But here's the good sort of good news after all of this is that the Drivers Privacy Protection Act was enacted in 1994, which prevents the DMV from releasing private addresses.
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So there are now anti-stalking laws in every state. And in 1989, in the wake of the murder, L.A. police created the nation's first team specializing in stalking investigations.
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also California was the first state to criminalize stalking in the United States in 1990 following
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her murder in a string of other high profile assaults but also that that also came on the
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heels of Teresa Saldana so that is something that I just resonates with me just because
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of the obsession I guess with fame and how scary sometimes it can be when people feel very familiar
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with you. Yeah. Yeah. They know you. So it's not weird to them that they're coming to talk to you
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and they don't ever flip it and see that it's like something out of the blue. Also, it just kills me
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because the idea of like, you move to LA, you get a job, you get like a good apartment and you're in
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that mode. I'm sure she didn't think I'm famous because she was like, it was like, you know,
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she's on that show. Maybe she's in one, she's in one movie or whatever. But I feel like in LA,
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you get people talk to you a lot less like they know that you know and i think that people maybe
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think that um like like i imagine now like at the time she probably was making a nice
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chunk of change but probably not enough she was still living in an apartment unsecured apartment
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right and because why wouldn't she necessarily be and um i just want you two to know that i have a
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fucking ton of cameras around here. Do you? That's fucking right. So if either of you try to take me out
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I've already spray painted over half of them. I'm going to finish. Fuck you. Well, listen,
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I want to reiterate, I'm 40. That's it? That's all I got? It's not the sexiest of murders if somebody
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comes. I'll just say, to make you feel better, it took me fucking forever to find this house.
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So I think you're okay, even if they could break into it. Give them the address and be like, I bet you can't find it.
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Go ahead. Challenge. It is. I mean, it's a super sad. Sometimes those are the only highlights of when we tell our stories is stuff like that,
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where, you know, it's such a tragedy that Rebecca Schaefer had to die. But then they finally were like, oh, that's right.
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You shouldn't be able to know anyone's address. And you shouldn't be able to walk up to anybody's house.
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And you shouldn't, if you tell eight people that you're obsessed with somebody, that should count against you.
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You know, stalking is a very serious thing. That's not, that wasn't, and it's probably still not taken seriously by a lot of law enforcement officials.
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No offense. It is now. It is the point. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like you were saying that it hasn't been taken seriously because there's so much ego involved.
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Like there's a dismissal of that, especially as a woman. And having said that, if anyone out there would like to stalk me.
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No, no. Please submit your application. No, no. Let us know. Cancel, cancel. Your history of violence.
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Edit that out. Edit that out. Wow. I'm so sorry. I know. I know. So sad. But like you were saying, Karen, thankfully it's changed some things.
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Well, and also the Teresa Saldana story is so insane. I saw that as a kid on TV.
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the made for tv movie from poltergeist that's dominic dominic dunn's daughter dominique no it's
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um it was uh it was the woman who was the wife in raging bull so she was just starting her
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acting career and getting kind of amazing parts and she also had a stalker and she and he did the
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exact same thing he walked up to her apartment door and stabbed her and actually the culligan
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man was walking up delivering water to somebody else's apartment and he got I think he saved her
00:22:47
he either pulled the guy off of her or like got her like he the Culligan man saved her life and
00:22:53
she you know went on to advocate for all those laws too that's like the end of so many our stories
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are like you know the the victim's family then went on to do great things amazing that's like
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The only way I feel like you can personally survive these horrific things happening is if you try to make it worth, like make their, make their, their, their, their tragedy worth, like hopefully prevention of.
00:23:20
Right. Like we did that. We've done the, uh, Amber law, Amber alert girl. We, Amber, um, and we did, um, Megan's law.
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You know, that's why I keep the guillotine though outside the house. Warning. Just as a kind of like a simple.
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Yeah. Warning. Yeah. Come fuck with me. I'll fuck with you, dicks. Here's what I'm like.
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It's just that ex-guy standing there like, I just have some packages for you. You fucking with me?
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Yeah. Oh, you're bringing me my clothes? Yeah. All right. Oh, okay. I'll take those.
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That's fine. But don't fuck with me. Yeah. But give me my fucking boots. Oof. We're back. Karen, do we have any updates?
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The only update is that Robert John Bardo remains in prison. But we did look through the Gmail about this case and we found a hometown.
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So I'm going to read it to you now. It says, hello to my beloved MFM crew. This is not so much my hometown story as it is my mom's.
00:24:18
But I thought I would share anyway since it relates to a story that's mentioned on the show every now and then.
00:24:23
And that was covered in the crossover episode with Anna Faris. In the mid-1970s, a couple years before I was born, my mom was a graduate student in Oregon studying child psychology.
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One of her professors had a preschool-age daughter named Rebecca, who he asked my mom to babysit.
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Oh, no. She babysat this child regularly for a couple of years until she had me, and I probably never would have heard the rather unremarkable story of my mom babysitting her professor's daughter.
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But just before I began sixth grade, we were watching a television interview with the parents of a young woman who was murdered by a stalker.
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And then, oh, my God, that's Dr. Schaefer, my mom said. When she had initially heard the news, she had not yet put two and two together to realize that the Rebecca Schaefer who was murdered was the very same that she babysat about 15 years earlier.
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Oh, my God. I can't imagine how horrifying and surreal that moment of realization must have been for my mother.
00:25:18
While there truly is no silver lining to the murder of Rebecca Schaefer, it was a catalyst in getting California's first anti-stalking laws passed.
00:25:27
Also, a few years later, my mom went on to run a crisis center and domestic violence shelter where she helped victims of stalkers, abusers and human traffickers escape.
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It's still infuriating that so often it takes someone being hurt or killed to get police and lawmakers to pay attention to the situation.
00:25:44
So stay sexy and pass preventative legislation before it escalates. Miriam. That's incredible. I mean, yeah, hearing that story and how little could have even been done had anyone known.
00:25:58
Yes. To protect Rebecca, it was just so horrifying. Also, I think that is one of those, and we talk about this, but that idea that you're watching a person, you've interpreted their life this one way because they're a TV star that's been brought into your world because it's like, oh, it's a TV star.
00:26:15
And then the ending of that person's life is so horrific and tragic. And it's like a reality bending in a way because it's like, oh, no, wait, I just knew her in this ideal situation.
00:26:28
Right. This is a human being with. Yeah. And you think it's ideal, this idea of fame, this idea of like, this is what she's made it to the big time.
00:26:37
Yeah. And horrible. It's so sad. It really is. Okay, so we're going to get back into the unqualified crossover.
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00:29:27
Well, I have a serial killer I'd never, ever heard of in one of those. Like, there's this BuzzFeed or some website that I found that, like, the craziest murderer in every state.
00:29:39
And this guy was Florida. So, you know, he's fucking top notch. You know what I mean?
00:29:44
I love it that we have, like, Washington crazy serial killers. And then, like, it's a, yeah, I love it.
00:29:50
And we're doing three shows in Florida. And Florida was like when are you going to come to do a live show here And we like oh you have the best murders We coming there for three shows like no other state that we doing three shows in um all right september 15th 2004
00:30:05
um so friends of michelle jones she's a pretty vivacious 37 year old executive at the golf
00:30:13
channel in orlando were worried because they couldn't reach her which is like the beginning
00:30:18
of every murder story, right? Michelle's aunt and uncle, Charlie Brandt and Terry Helfrich
00:30:25
were staying with her for a few days because they had been evacuated from their home.
00:30:31
In a seafront villa near Key West, there was Hurricane Ivan was coming and they had to get the fuck out of there.
00:30:38
Michelle is like the niece and their very- Like the least sexy name for a hurricane, sorry.
00:30:43
Ivan, Ivan. Did you hear the thing about how hurricanes named after women kill more people?
00:30:48
Oh, no. Because they don't take them seriously. People don't take them seriously when they're named after women.
00:30:53
Anyway, she's close with her aunt and uncle. She invited them to stay with them.
00:30:59
So Michelle's mother, who was Terry, the aunt's sister, called one of Michelle's friends and was like, can you go check on her?
00:31:08
So the friend finds their mail overflowing, newspapers from days earlier on the lawn.
00:31:13
No one's answering the door when she knocks. The door's locked. She walks around to the garage, sees lights on through the windows.
00:31:19
There's cars parked in the driveway. So she calls the cops. They arrive. They enter the home and quickly run back out and vomit in the yard, horrified by what they had found inside.
00:31:32
So inside, reclining on the couch is the body of Michelle's aunt, Charlie's wife, Aunt Terry.
00:31:39
She's been stabbed seven times in the chest and then her clothes had been removed, but she hadn't been sexually assaulted.
00:31:45
In the bedroom is Michelle's body. She'd been stabbed only once. Then she had been disemboweled.
00:31:53
Her heart and organs had been removed. And she had also been decapitated. And her head was sitting next to her body.
00:32:01
I can't think you didn't lead with that part. There's a lot. She's walking us through the house.
00:32:06
We're going room by room. We're going room by room. Karen was like, should we warn people about the murders first?
00:32:10
And I was like, don't worry, mine's way fucking worse. so we should warn this um so her head's next to her body the weapons that have been used in the
00:32:19
crime were the knives from her own kitchen then in the garage uncle charlie we find in a state
00:32:27
of decomposition because of the heat uncle charlie's body is hanging from his neck by a
00:32:33
sheet from the rafters he's dead and then the investigators determine that it was a suicide
00:32:39
so there's no like it right i mean there's no suicide note and there's no way of knowing
00:32:46
exactly what happened but because of the lack of a break-in or any other explanation
00:32:50
they conclude that charlie was the murderer and it had been a murder-suicide so uncle charlie i'm gonna call him that because it's easier to remember him he's described by all
00:33:00
as a mild-mannered loving husband all-around good guy aren't they all aren't they always
00:33:05
called that. But he was known as being a bit of an oddball and eccentric. But by all accounts,
00:33:11
including Aunt Terry's best friend, Charlie loved her very deeply and the couple was inseparable.
00:33:17
No one ever detected any problems or saw a fight in the relationship or anyone's temper. In fact,
00:33:23
here's something annoying. They would make each other's lunches every morning because they said
00:33:27
that lunch made by food made by someone you love tastes better than when you make it yourself.
00:33:31
Which can you imagine that couple and you're like, can you guys shut the fuck up? And just like,
00:33:35
eat your lunch. It sounds like a great way to make your food for you. Yeah, exactly right.
00:33:43
I want a peanut butter and jelly, but I love the way it tastes when you make it so much better
00:33:47
when you do it, all the chores. When you unfreeze my chicken nuggets. When the investigators began to look into
00:33:54
the murder-suicide, Uncle Charlie's older sister Angela is like, hold up, I gotta tell you guys something.
00:34:00
This has been a secret, a family secret for 30 years. Here we go. Yep. 1971. Uncle Charlie is just 13. His father had recently killed his dog during a hunting
00:34:12
trip with Charlie. The dad says he did it on accident, but he had shot the dog twice.
00:34:20
And also Uncle Charlie is has some difficulty with school assignments, struggling to maintain
00:34:25
his grades, but he was reportedly a really bright kid. So on the evening of January 3rd, 1971,
00:34:32
While his dad, so his dad's in the bathroom shaving. His mother, who's eight months pregnant, is soaking in the bathtub.
00:34:38
Charlie gets up from his homework randomly, grabs a nine millimeter handgun from his father's nightstand, goes into the bathroom and shoots his father in the back.
00:34:48
Then he walks to his mother, who's in the bathtub. She says, no, Charlie, no. But he fires at her until there's no more bullets left.
00:34:59
This is really fucked up. I should have started with that. I'm sorry. that this is it it's it i'm just after everything else that's happened is this more or less fucked
00:35:08
up than most of your murders that you do on your shows it's exactly the same yeah it's pretty right
00:35:12
yeah um next he goes to his 15 year old sister angela's room angela's the one telling the cops
00:35:20
about this case he goes to her room points the gun at her and tries to fire he didn't even know
00:35:26
that the that the gun was empty and she said that he looked like he was in trance so he might not
00:35:30
even have been aware that this was like going on and his gun was empty. They start to wrestle.
00:35:35
Angela tries to talk Charlie down. She tells him that she loves him and will run away with him.
00:35:39
But as soon as she gets a chance, she runs to a neighbor's house screaming for help.
00:35:44
Charlie's mom dies, but his father survives. And from the hospital bed says he has no idea why his
00:35:50
son would ever commit such an act When Charlie evaluated by psychologists they see no signs of a diagnosable mental illness They can pinpoint a motive for the shooting at all By all accounts he like I loved my family I have no idea why I did this So they said they weren going to prosecute him because of that and his age because he not responsible for his actions
00:36:13
But instead, they send him to a psychiatric clinic. His father visits him very often.
00:36:18
And after a year, his dad is able to have him released to his custody and the whole family moves to Florida to get away from the town scrutiny.
00:36:29
And the murder of his mother is not spoken of again to the point where his two younger sisters who were super young when the mom was murdered didn't even know about it.
00:36:37
They thought their mom had died in a car accident until the murder suicide when Angela told the cops they didn't know a thing.
00:36:44
Charlie gets excellent grades in school He becomes a radar technician Engineer He finds the note from the BTK killer
00:36:54
In the library That was his favorite book Referencing the old episode Oh shit I forgot that
00:37:02
It's a week later Angela his sister marries a dude named Jim Finds out about the brother
00:37:08
Charlie murdering their mom Still becomes good friends with him So once Jim his brother-in-law and Angela are getting a divorce
00:37:17
on the topic of revenge Uncle Charlie says well you know the perfect revenge is you kill someone and you cut their heart
00:37:25
out and then you eat it that's the perfect revenge but Jim despite that sets Uncle Charlie
00:37:33
up with a friend of his new girlfriend this friend is Aunt Terry after six months they get married
00:37:38
can you imagine setting your fucking friend up with someone who said that no No, that's the correct answer.
00:37:46
No, absolutely not. Let's see. And we don't know if Terry knew or not about the murder of the mother.
00:37:56
And OK, so let's go back to 2004 post murder suicide. The police find out about the fucked up stuff from Charlie's past.
00:38:04
They begin to take a closer look at the murders of his wife and niece. So can I really quick ask a question?
00:38:10
Always. I just don't understand. As a kid, he kills his own mother, tries to kill his father.
00:38:16
And his sister. And his sister, but the sister lives. Yeah. So then he just goes to a psychiatric hospital for a little while. And then they're just like business as usual.
00:38:27
Yeah. Less than business as usual, like hiding stuff. And the dad is like, the way that this is speculation that could get me sued. Can I do this?
00:38:37
Of course. If I preemptively, we have a lawyer in the room. He must have been, some shit must have been going on in that household that his dad was like, nope, I want my kid out of there.
00:38:47
Everything's fine. You know what I mean? Wink, wink, nudge, nudge, molestation. So you think the dog thing was almost just like the straw that broke the camel's back, but really he was being molested.
00:38:58
Yeah. And that's why the father wouldn't turn him in because that all would come out.
00:39:01
Yeah. And then we have that thing about like, if someone's molesting, if, you know, like killing the mother as well is always like a really weird thing.
00:39:12
Because if you have an issue with your dad, why would you, you know, the mother would never step in, that kind of thing.
00:39:17
Speculation, your honor. Do you know what I mean? Mm hmm. Okay. Please approach the bench.
00:39:26
All right. Okay. So they begin to take a closer look. they note that the amputations inflicted on Michelle, the niece, were not amateur,
00:39:35
but were accomplished with skill and experience. They searched the couple's house. The couple's
00:39:40
house is still boarded up from the hurricane. And they find a bunch of fucked up stuff. They find
00:39:47
the bedroom door. So bedroom doors open. I never close my bedroom door. When they open it on the
00:39:53
back of the bedroom door is a really creepy illustration poster of the female muscular
00:39:58
and skeletal system. And she has like a bun on her head and it's like a cartoon drawing.
00:40:03
It's like so creepy. It's not just a skeleton. It's like a female skeleton with a face.
00:40:08
And muscles, you're saying. So it's like one of those weird, you know that weird-
00:40:12
Anatomy. Yeah. Oh, like a pop-up book kind of thing? Well, no, I was thinking of,
00:40:16
there was actually an art installation of a guy that was like, remember the thing?
00:40:20
And I was just like, that person is a serial killer that made this. Who would want to go and like show
00:40:26
what people look like with no skin? Like embalming someone and then putting it up as art.
00:40:31
But really just skinning them anyway. I got nauseous at that art installation, quote unquote, and had to leave.
00:40:36
It was so disturbing. Of that one of like the human body. The human anatomy. Bodies.
00:40:41
Yeah. I saw it in New York and I don't have too many regrets in life. I mean, I should.
00:40:47
I should have more. But that one is one of my regrets. Yeah. Considering how much I can read and watch and look at, I look at crime scene photos and
00:40:57
shit like that was really fucking they still had like hair well and there was all this like these
00:41:04
ethical issues of how the bodies were right who were they yeah yeah and apparently they're whatever
00:41:09
and they would do it it's so weird and they would go to it like we don't need to know that
00:41:12
well apparently charlie did um so and also despite not uh being in the medical profession of course
00:41:19
there were books on human anatomy and a bookshelf and um one of them contained a newspaper clipping
00:41:25
of a labeled illustration of the human heart. He also subscribed, here's what's fucking creepy,
00:41:31
to Victoria's Secret magazine. And it was like, or catalog, it was like in his name.
00:41:35
It wasn't to his wife. And his nickname for his niece, Michelle, who he killed, was Victoria's Secret.
00:41:41
He called her. Which is like, don't. It's not a nickname. Mm-mm. It does, it's not shorter than her name.
00:41:48
Yeah, it takes longer. It's not her name. Yeah, it's not even close. They checked out his computer.
00:41:54
There was a bunch of erotic websites related to sacrifice violence necrophilia containing photos of torture rape and violent deaths depicting female autopsies They all staged Don worry Living models made to look dead
00:42:10
And they came to the conclusion that Charlie was obsessed with his niece, Michelle, had a premeditate and had premeditated the murders and that he was also obsessed with human anatomy, especially a female humanity.
00:42:20
due to what they found in his house, as well as the observation that the murder of his wife and niece
00:42:26
seemed to be the work of a skilled and practiced killer, police began to look into previously unsolved cold cases in the area
00:42:33
and also in the areas where he would travel for work, which he did a lot because I guess engineers travel for work a lot.
00:42:42
Train engineers? Come on. Toot toot? What's the, you know. they sent out a description of the mo disemboweled decapitated clean cut surgical precision and they
00:42:56
quickly got a ton of hits from other police stations so his ties to an additional murder
00:43:02
were uncovered by not investigators but by the uh producers of the show 48 hours which is like
00:43:11
fuck yeah there's a really good episode of this on 48 hours they passed along the information to
00:43:17
the authorities. So in July 1989, off Big Pine Key, Florida, two fishermen found the body of
00:43:24
Sherry Parisho. She was 38. She lived in a small boat and had been seen riding her bike earlier
00:43:30
that day. She'd been in the water dead no longer than 12 hours. And the site her body was found at
00:43:36
was a thousand feet away from Charlie Brandt's Big Pine Key house, a thousand feet away. Her head
00:43:43
had been severed and her heart had been removed. Um, and Charlie resembled the sketch of a man
00:43:50
seen crossing the U S one near the, uh, nearby on the night of the murder. And Jim, the fucking
00:43:58
dude who set them up, who had, uh, who had set them up said, Terry told him that Charlie came
00:44:05
home that night, wet and covered with blood around the time Sherry was killed. And she was like,
00:44:10
what the fuck? And he was like, I was fishing and I killed some fish. And then in November 1995,
00:44:16
along the Miami-Dade County highway that Charlie would have had to use to get in and out of the
00:44:21
Keys, the mutilated body of Darlene Toller, she was 35. She was discovered in a plastic bag and
00:44:28
her head and heart were missing as well. So since then, 26 murders going back as far as 1973,
00:44:38
which is when his dad checked him out of the insane asylum and took him to Florida.
00:44:43
So that means he was 15 years old. They have had possible links to Charlie, but six murders have been positively identified and ascribed to Charlie.
00:44:55
So Charlie Brandt, the fucking serial killer that I had never heard of, a possibility of 26 murders going back from when he was 15 years old,
00:45:02
two years after he killed his fucking pregnant mother. That's it. the head and the heart huh the head and the heart fuck damn they named that band yeah i know
00:45:14
the head and the heart and the hunter oh no there's an actual yeah yeah oh well i've never
00:45:19
heard of that guy oh right yeah that's crazy yeah oh and he was like he looks so much like my cousin
00:45:27
it creeps me out like my cousin could play him in a movie i also feel like that lesson of like
00:45:32
if somebody just shoot gets up as a 13 year old and shoots a bunch of people in their family
00:45:36
you can pretty much assume that's not going to end there no and i think the psychiat psychologists
00:45:41
were like this is going to happen again but his dad was like nope taking him into custody wow yeah
00:45:47
it's crazy man and how could there not be one little thing that the psychologists found that
00:45:54
were like well here's like everything's fine nope he just killed his parents once but everything else
00:45:59
is fine. That's impossible. Yeah, it does feel like, I think maybe now, I like to think that there's, like, people
00:46:09
are much more aware of warning signs, but it's disturbing that even as recently as back in the 90s,
00:46:16
like, the warning signs are like, well, you know, people get better, I suppose. Yeah.
00:46:21
Let's have a positive attitude about this guy. Once he has his own apartment, he'll be fine.
00:46:26
Great. Yeah. Crazy. Well, thank you. for your latest favorite murder. There's no real way to transition
00:46:36
to a call from this. I know. Believe me. How do we do this? Our shows are so different.
00:46:41
Should we talk about our signs? Yeah. So different. I'm a Taurus. My sign is stop.
00:46:47
I'm a Gemini. Georgia, what are you? I'm a Gemini. Okay, I'm a Sag. Oh my God. I have no idea what the fuck's name is.
00:46:54
Nor do I want to. I don't either. I have no idea. You know I'm a Gemini. Are you?
00:46:58
Oh, we're so much fun. because we're fucking Bachelia. I actually saw a thing and it had a list of
00:47:04
the most well-known serial killers and most of them are Geminis. It's Gemini or Virgo.
00:47:11
Virgo? Amazing. Gemini men are particularly crazy. Gemini girls are just fun drunks.
00:47:19
I love you. When someone says that to you it's because you're crazy. You're a great person.
00:47:29
Okay, we're back. Do you have any updates? I don't have case updates, but I also have a hometown regarding the story.
00:47:37
So here we go. Greetings, pleasantries, and niceties. I grew up hearing lots of stories from my father and uncle about their adventures of misspent youth growing up on military bases,
00:47:47
stealing cars, catching venomous snakes with their bare hands, sneaking into bars underage, and hustling bikers at pool.
00:47:53
But I was still wholly unprepared for a casual text from my mom a few weeks ago that sound out your uncle Kevin's old relationship.
00:48:00
Roommate was a serial killer. Obviously, this was not an appropriate conversation to have via text.
00:48:05
So over the course of the subsequent phone call, my mom told me how my uncle had been watching
00:48:09
2020 when he heard a familiar name, the name of a man he had been close friends with while
00:48:14
working together as radar technicians in the Bahamas and then later became roommates with
00:48:20
when they moved back to central Florida, his old buddy, Charlie motherfucking Brandt.
00:48:25
Yep, the Charlie Brandt whose insane story Georgia covered in episode 83. The Charlie Brandt who seemed like a totally normal guy in an incredibly loving marriage, annoyingly so, until the day he brutally murdered his wife, Terry, and niece Michelle and then hung himself in the garage.
00:48:42
My uncle said what everyone who spent time in close proximity to a serial killer says, that he seemed totally normal, save for the one instance he told my uncle that the best way to get revenge on someone was to cut out and eat their heart.
00:48:55
This was apparently a belief he told to a handful of people, none of whom clocked it as terribly abnormal.
00:49:01
You had to think it was a joke, right? I mean, it's so extreme and insane. How do you respond to that?
00:49:07
Yeah. He had no idea what Charlie was capable of, what he had already done. Oh, that's right, because he knew him when he'd already done those things.
00:49:14
Yes. And was like, this is a completely normal person. That's the scariest. To me, that's the scariest.
00:49:19
100%. My dad and uncle are very close, and early on in my parents' relationship, they would all hang out together.
00:49:25
My mom said the same thing as my uncle. He was charming and handsome and sweet, and she had no idea what kind of monster he truly was.
00:49:33
When he left for South Florida, they all lost touch and didn't think much of him again until that episode of 2020.
00:49:38
My uncle said he didn't sleep for a month when he heard the details, and I can't blame him.
00:49:43
Stay sexy, don't drink and drive, and don't shack up with serial killers, Katie, she, her.
00:49:49
It's kind of like the other side of the first hometown I read, where it's like the victims, the experience of the victims, the loved ones of the victims.
00:49:58
And now it's the experience of the friends and supposed loved ones of the killer.
00:50:04
Yeah. Just insane. Takes all kinds. Thank you for sending in your hometowns. We always love to hear them.
00:50:09
Yeah. Send them in to myfavoritemurder at gmail.com if you have one. Yeah. And OK, so now we're going to revisit the next part of this crossover.
00:50:17
And that's where we take an advice call with Anna. Are we ready to call Leah? Leah.
00:50:24
Yeah, let's call Leah. She's in Ohio and she's 28. Aren't we all? Did you say aren't we all?
00:50:37
Hello? Hey, Leah. How are you? It's Sim. Oh, hi, Sim. How are you? I'm going to introduce you to Ana right now.
00:50:43
Hi, Leah. Hi, Ana. Thank you so much for, you know, being with us here tonight. So, Ana, can you introduce our special guests?
00:50:55
We have Karen in Georgia from My Favorite Murder, which is an awesome podcast. Hi.
00:51:02
Hi. It is. Hi. Hi, Leah. Leah, you wrote us asking if it's okay to hook up with your cheating friend's ex-husband.
00:51:13
Tell us your story. Your story is kind of, yeah, this is interesting. This is fun.
00:51:17
Start from the beginning. Okay, so two years ago, I was training a new girl at the place where I worked then.
00:51:26
And her name was Janie, and she had just moved to Ohio. And she had moved to be with her fiance.
00:51:33
and we found out that her fiance was actually one of my old friends from high school.
00:51:39
So Jamie and I, we became really close. I mean, we were doing everything together immediately.
00:51:43
We just got along so well. And so we became friends and it was really fun It was so fun to hang out with her and her fianc because you know we had a past history too
00:51:57
So, Janie and Dustin, her fiancé, they started to have some problems and I was the first person to give them advice about them.
00:52:06
We kind of lost touch, Janie and I did, when I started a new job that was kind of farther away.
00:52:12
But I would stop in every once in a while to my old job and just see her and see how she was doing.
00:52:17
So one day I stopped in and she told me that her and Dustin were getting a divorce.
00:52:22
And I told her, you know, whatever I can do to help. So the next time that I stopped in, she was there and she looked kind of nervous.
00:52:32
And I found out why soon enough. It was because her new boyfriend was there. And it was a boyfriend that she met while she and Dustin were married.
00:52:41
So they were together. and I found out she had told me then that she had cheated on Dustin.
00:52:49
She had cheated with two different guys and starting three months into their marriage.
00:52:54
They got divorced about a year later. So Dustin had gotten a hold of me because I was going through some stuff
00:53:01
and he was going through some stuff and we caught up. And we ended up starting to hook up.
00:53:07
And I've been so torn about it because I want to be a good friend. And I guess I've never been in a situation like this before.
00:53:17
So it's all kind of weird. Eventually, I thought, you know, I have to at least ask her if we can be friends.
00:53:25
And so I did. And she actually, she hasn't talked to me since. She was so mad at me for even asking.
00:53:30
Sorry, if you could be friends with Dustin? If you could be friends with Dustin, exactly.
00:53:33
Right. Yeah, if it was okay for Dustin and I to be friends. Yeah, to hang out. She got really mad, yeah.
00:53:40
And we haven't talked since. so I guess that's kind of where I'm at is number one I don't know
00:53:46
is it okay for Dustin and I to be hooking up it's the best sex that I've ever had in my life
00:53:51
so nice to me I mean like selfishly that's yeah I can't yeah so there's that and it's also
00:54:01
it's something that I would never ever do I would never hook up with a friend's ex
00:54:05
in different circumstances ever I think we don't even you know should I tell her I guess
00:54:13
we've got some answers for you you're such a sweetheart you're not a bad person no and you know what a dude would
00:54:21
never be asking these questions and women we beat ourselves up so fucking much look here's the thing she cheated
00:54:29
on him it didn't even matter what she did because you already had a relationship with him you already knew him
00:54:34
before so she was actually the new friend and then she got rid of him. So that's like
00:54:43
you, it doesn't matter what happens after that because if that relationship ends
00:54:47
you get to do whatever you want. And her being mad at you after she cheated on him and then has someone
00:54:53
else in her life to even want to be friends with him, that is insane. I think you're going by
00:54:59
her rules and you're kind of like taking her framework of the situation and going
00:55:03
is this okay because she said it isn't. It's abso-fucking-lutely okay. And it doesn't sound like someone that I would really want to be friends with anyway.
00:55:11
So you checking in with her is so sweet and generous, but not necessary. You don't owe her anything.
00:55:21
And, you know, you guys are not going to get married, maybe, but you're getting your fucking sexual healing.
00:55:27
And it has nothing to do with her in any way. And cheating on someone three months into a wedding, you know, that's probably not the marriage.
00:55:35
It's not the first time she did that, probably. It doesn matter It doesn matter what she does It doesn matter It so true Because it sounds like you know you might not value her friendship as much as you do like other friendships or relationships
00:55:53
And life is fucking short. And I don't I don't think you owe her anything. I mean, in this situation, it's I think it's interesting. The the idea that she they broke up.
00:56:08
I mean, that was over, right? So it's not, she wasn't, she didn't get, this girl didn't get cheated on by the guy that you're hooking up with.
00:56:17
So the idea that she's mad at you when she is absolutely not the victim in this situation,
00:56:22
she went and did exactly what she wanted. So why don't you get to? Because you should get to.
00:56:27
And if you want to get together with that guy, you should get to. Dude, get to know your fucking body with a man that you did.
00:56:33
He's nice to you. And I think that you. I have been so far. I think you wouldn't have called and asked this if you didn't know somewhere in your mind that something was really off about this.
00:56:45
And I did. Yeah, I felt like it was. But I was surprised the few people that I kind of ran it by.
00:56:51
I got really mixed answers. And I think that's what made me so confused about it.
00:56:55
People are answering based on their own history, not on the situation. Yeah, that's what everybody does.
00:57:01
Yeah. That's right. Yeah. If any of my girlfriends who I cared about and loved wanted to hook up with my exes who are good people, I would be so happy for them.
00:57:09
Me too. Yeah, exactly. I would too. Yeah. I think that's adult reactions. Yeah. So she might be having more of a high school weirdo reaction.
00:57:18
It's like when you get an awesome pair of boots and your friend is like, I really like this boots. Would it be OK if I also bought those?
00:57:27
And some people would be like, no, he's a mine. And other people are like, fuck yeah, I'm so glad you like these boots.
00:57:34
They're so comfortable, your feet are going to feel amazing. Yeah, and you celebrate the idea that like, oh.
00:57:41
But it's also the thing, I think it's also the thing of, it's weird to think that you can make friends with, say, a narcissist.
00:57:51
It's weird to think that you could have a good time and have a good relationship with a person who's actually deep down
00:57:57
incredibly selfish or incredibly self-serving. so I think you're having doubts because the two of you hit it off and had a good time
00:58:04
but maybe a lot of the reason you had such a good time with her is because the boyfriend
00:58:08
was there who you really liked and maybe have liked for a long time he evened it out the fact that she fucking kind of sucked
00:58:14
that's hilarious we had a lot of fun all together and I did I mean she and I got
00:58:20
really close in a different way but yeah I never even thought about that before you're not a bad person
00:58:27
just like we've been telling you But we have been talking about bad people. But you are not one of them.
00:58:34
You're nowhere near it. And the fact that you even question if you're a bad person or not based on this, I think proves to us that you're not.
00:58:41
You're a wonderful person. Yeah. And no. Yeah. Yeah. Like, enjoy yourself. I don't know.
00:58:48
Life is short. I don't think you have to. Like, I would like encourage you to distance yourself.
00:58:54
You know, you already have already from from the friend, the gal. But but also, you know, I don't know how much social media has to play in all of this, but I would also encourage like easing up on any of that because that always gets anybody into trouble.
00:59:11
But I would just like, yeah, have have I don't know. I don't know. You're in your 20s.
00:59:18
Yeah. Get your nut. Get your horse. Yeah. Well, Leah, I think this is pretty obvious here at this point.
00:59:24
Are you OK with this? Just yeah, I am. I mean, thank you. Yeah, I do. I feel a lot better.
00:59:30
Yeah. Hey Leah thank you Hey we love you Thank you Thank you so much I love you too Bye Bye Leah Bye We love you We love you too Did you say get laid
00:59:41
Yeah. Bye. And we're back. How fun is that? Can we just start doing that instead of the homework podcast?
00:59:53
I mean, we can, but we're not that good at it. I think we're great at it. I don't know.
00:59:58
Break up with him. That's my advice for everything. Seriously, walk away. Dump him.
01:00:02
Who cares? Go no contact with your mom. Okay, so this episode, we're going to get into the retitling.
01:00:10
Yeah. It was, of course, called The MFM and Unqualified with Anna Faris Crossover Part 2.
01:00:14
But if we were naming it today, maybe we would call it My Favorite Unqualified. Yes.
01:00:20
Yeah, that was George's quip. Or we could call it Tim Timesheet, which is what Anna kept saying because she should have read the word timeline and she wasn't.
01:00:28
There was a typo. What about Scary Movie 1234 Actress? So funny. Oh, she's so funny.
01:00:34
She is so great, Anna. We love you. Thank you for having us at your home seven or eight years ago.
01:00:40
Yeah, what a fun memory to look back on. Yeah. Well, that's it for this week's episode of Rewind.
01:00:45
And we'll say goodbye from Anna Faris' house. All right. We're coming to an end here.
01:00:53
I guess Sim's doing the finger. Wow, that's the wrap it up finger. He's giving us the finger.
01:00:57
Yeah. This was amazing, guys. You guys, thank you so much. Oh my God, it was so fun.
01:01:01
Thanks for being in my creepy house, in the creepy room, talking about incredibly creepy things.
01:01:06
It's such a creepy thing. And you gave amazing advice. This is a lot of fun. I mean, let's do this once a year if we can.
01:01:12
You want it? Totally, for sure. Once a week or once a year? We're going to be here next week.
01:01:15
All right, let's do it once a week. Perfect. Sounds good. Thank you so much. Thank you so much.
01:01:20
Anna, stay sexy. Oh no, let's go on. And don't get murdered. That's how we always end ours.
01:01:26
Now you go, yours. I always say, fuck you, Sim. Oh, fuck you, Sim. Fuck you, Sim.
01:01:31
Don't get murdered. Good night, everyone. Bye. Good night. We love you, listeners.
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