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It's the newest podcast, Two-Faced. John of God is out now. This is our newest limited series about a Brazilian spiritual healer
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who claimed he had the power to perform miraculous medical procedures and the dark truth behind that mission.
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And this is our first limited series presented in both English and Spanish. Hosted by journalist and Adande Media founder Martina Castro,
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the series looks at how belief, power, and silence allowed one man to control his followers for decades.
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You're about to hear episode one entitled The Last Hope. And once you're hooked on the show, episodes two and three are waiting for you over on the John of God feeds,
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Now please enjoy episode one of Exactly Right's newest podcast, Two-Faced, John of God.
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Goodbye. Please note that in this episode, there will be a graphic description of an invasive procedure.
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Listen at your own discretion. A large group of people is praying in Portuguese.
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They're all dressed in white and seem to be in the main hall of a social club or a community center.
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But this isn't a normal spiritual gathering. An invasive medical procedure is about to take place.
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This homemade video is focused on a man who's standing on a small stage. He's also dressed in white, with people huddled around him.
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He's in his late 60s, with thinning brown hair and a stocky build. There's a point where you can see his demeanor change.
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His blue eyes grow wide, and his movements get slower. He's no longer himself. He tells the crowd he's now channeling the spirit of a well-known doctor who died in the 1940s.
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The man, who I'll call the doctor, at a certain point turns to three people behind him on stage.
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They're holding metal trays and seem to be his assistants. Right next to them, there's this one guy who sticks out.
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He's standing stiff as a board up against the back wall with his eyes closed tight,
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as if he's bracing himself for something. The doctor reaches into one of the trays with his bare hand
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and picks up a long pair of surgical scissors. He uses them to grab a piece of gauze and dips it in water.
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He then goes up to his patient, the guy standing against the wall with his eyes closed.
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What happens next is as bizarre as it is disturbing. The doctor tells his patient to open his eyes and tilts his head back with his hand.
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He then shoves the scissors all the way up his patient's nose and starts twisting them,
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like he's unscrewing the top off a bottle. Twisting, twisting, twisting, sliding the scissors deeper as he continues to twist.
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All this time, the patient is grimacing, mouth wide open, but he's not making a sound.
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Then, all of a sudden, the doctor pulls the scissors out of the patient's nose, letting out a tiny stream of blood.
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The patient is placed in a metal wheelchair, and as he's whisked away, you see a smile spread across his face.
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The video you just heard is from 2009, but there are countless more online, recorded
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over the span of decades. They feature similar procedures, all performed by the same man.
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The renowned spiritual healer Jo de Deus John of God A man who claims to work miracles and heal the sick
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He says he's a faith healer, and people from all over the world flock to see him.
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He had healed the wives of ministers, presidents, and politicians, and owners of big companies.
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Even Oprah has gone to see him. Over the past four decades, John of God says he's treated millions of people.
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John of God claims to be a medium, capable of channeling spirits with tremendous powers.
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Powers that can heal cancer and help people walk again. The treatment he offers can be invasive, like putting scissors up a patient's nose or scraping their eye with a knife.
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But more often, the spirits have him conduct invisible surgeries, which he can do on many people at the same time, without ever touching them.
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This might sound crazy or very fringe, but I can assure you, it is not. Celebrities, Supreme Court judges, lawyers and doctors,
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thousands of people have traveled to see John of God at his, quote, spiritual hospital in Southeast Brazil.
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And not just from other parts of the country, but from as far as Germany, Australia and the United States.
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Desperate, that's what I was, weighing freaking 80 pounds with a child to raise.
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No doctor figuring out what was wrong with me. Nobody told me they were going to cure my father.
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No doctor, neurologist, neurosurgeon. No one say they could cure him. We went to the hospital.
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We went to multiple doctors. They couldn't figure out what was actually the problem.
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I went there. You're playing with your belief because you really want to live. All you have is faith.
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Faith. My name is Martina Castro. I've been an audio journalist for 20 years, and while reporting this story, I've meditated a lot on that word, faith, and on its power.
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I'd say I'm a spiritual person. I'm both skeptical of anything that sounds too good to be true,
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and I like to leave room for the unexplainable. If I were desperate to heal myself or something,
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someone I love, I can absolutely imagine myself getting on an airplane to the middle of nowhere
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to find a miracle cure. But what this story has gotten me to wonder is not about what gets us to
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have faith in a given thing or a given person, but how long are we willing to hold and keep that
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faith, even when we can feel something is not right. I simply thought that Juan's work was
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spiritual when I first went there. I had no idea that there was a secret behind all of this.
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Over the course of this series, you'll learn how John of God became a celebrated healer
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at the center of an international movement, all while behind the scenes, dark secrets
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started to come out. Intimidation. He would always say, Do you think they'll believe me or you?
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Fraud, sexual abuse, and mysterious deaths. It's very difficult and it's very also lonely.
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One small person against God. From Exactly Right Media and Adonde Media, This is Two-Faced, John of God.
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Episode 1, The Last Hope. Hola. Tudo bem? Hola, tudo bem. Obrigada. Eu te agradeço.
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This is me speaking broken Portuguese with a woman named Ana Paula. Despite our language barrier and spotty Zoom connection,
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Ana Paula immediately came across as vivacious, warm, and confident. She asked we only use her first name to protect her family.
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Ana Paula ended up seeing John of God out of desperation. But not for herself, for her father.
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Around 2006, Ana Paula's father was diagnosed with late-stage brain cancer. After many surgeries, doctors said there was nothing else they could do for him.
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He was in a wheelchair, in a lot of pain. He couldn't even swallow. So Ana Paula turned to their faith as a last hope.
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I've always been a spiritist my entire life. I was born in a spiritist home. And I grew up with relatives performing spiritual surgeries, healing.
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According to Ana Paula's beliefs, spirits are non-physical beings that can interact with us.
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It just so happens that Brazil is said to have the largest concentration of spiritists in the world.
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And it was this spiritual community that first introduced Ana Paula to John of God.
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People said very little about John of God, but always with a lot of respect and the certainty of a cure or some spiritual healing.
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So I remember he had written some books, and I bought them for my father. In one of those books, Ana Paula's father read about a man who John of God cured, a man who had brain cancer.
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When my father read that he said I want to be John of God next miracle My father had just become a grandfather and he wanted to see his grandson grow up
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And so we went to Abadiana. Abadiana, that's the small rural town in the middle of Brazil
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where John of God founded what he calls his spiritual hospital. Abadiana has about 17,000 residents,
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and it's an hour and a half drive from the country's capital. Brasilia. Many describe it as a town you drive through to get somewhere else. A major highway
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cuts it in half, with most of the residents and local businesses on one side, and the spiritual
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hospital, or the casa, on the other. The casa is short for Casa de Dominacio de Loyola, or House of
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Saint Ignatius of Loyola. Ana Paula's inability to heal her father through traditional medicine
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is what led her to this place, along with thousands of others. People in desperate situations, they were dying.
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And they had irrevocably fatal diseases. Then there were people like Michael Bailott.
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He first visited the Casa from the U.S. because his girlfriend at the time was very sick.
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Doctors were not able to help her. So they traveled to Brazil to see healers that Michael had read about.
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And they ended up at the Casa. That's when Michael felt like he witnessed something really incredible happening there.
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He met people who said John of God cured their cancer. After treatment, some people were able to walk again.
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After years of being in wheelchairs. Some people said their tumors disappeared. This is real.
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This guy's actually doing surgery and it's a miracle. I never believed that miracles were real until that point.
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So Michael decides to stay and live in Abadianya. When I arrived there, I'd been going through about a five-year period in my life where I was having a big spiritual awakening.
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So my frame of mind when I arrived there was very positive and very open, and it was very altruistic also.
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So the situation looked like, my God, there's nobody else in the world that's ever done this, and I want to be a part of it.
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I want to help people. Look at all the people. He's helped millions of people, and he did it for free.
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So it just sounded really enticing. Soon after moving to Abadiana, Michael became a tour guide to help other people from the U.S. travel there.
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Many people that went there and said, I have stage 4 cancer and I'm in agony every day.
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Help me. I had several clients like that. But then there was this other group of people.
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About a third of the people that came, or a quarter of them, they were just spiritual tourists.
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They'd heard about this guy and they wanted to have an experience. So a lot of people would go there and just say, can you help me on my spiritual path?
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So in this middle of nowhere town, in the middle of Brazil, you have these various groups of people coming together.
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People who are really sick and desperate for a cure. Volunteers and spiritual tourists who wanted to be part of this experience.
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and tour guides like Michael, who were helping both of those groups travel to Abadiania
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and navigate the culture, the language, and the town. They came together around John of God's mission
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to bring spiritual healing to thousands of people from around the world. I felt I was part of a very big, miraculous event
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The experience at the casa takes place three days a week. It begins when you set foot in the town.
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Ana Paula says from the moment you get there, it's impossible not to get drawn in.
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The vibe there was just a wonderful vibe. I used to say that it was a little piece of heaven on earth.
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First of all, imagine that around 7 a.m. you start to see tour buses arrive, and hundreds of people start to fill the streets, all walking toward the casa.
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Everyone there was wearing white. So white pants, white shirts, white dresses, the whole town.
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That's Tim Elliott, a journalist from Australia who went to Abadiana in 2004. He says in addition to wearing white, you'd see some people walking barefoot.
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These things were encouraged by John of God so that you could free up your energy to the spirits
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and also absorb their healing more easily. And people are blissed out. Yeah, like they're pretty stoked to be there.
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pretty happy to be walking around in his presence, you know, and about to see him.
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Tim admits he went to Abadjania feeling very sceptical about John of God. So I thought, it's going to be rubbish, right?
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But then when you get there and you have literally thousands of people in white milling around
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and everyone tells you how they've been saved by this person. After a while, I was like, well, can all these people be wrong?
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Like, is it possible? Like, maybe they're right. Maybe they have been saved. And they're all like, I'll show you my medical papers.
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I'll show you my x-rays. All that sort of stuff. The first person Tim met at the CASA was actually one of those people who claimed to have been cured.
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She was also from Australia. and she'd gone there because she had, I think she said she had some degenerative disease in her back
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and so she was finding it really hard to walk and she swore to me that she, you know,
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she was made better and that she could throw her cane away and she basically regarded it as a miracle, what had happened as a miracle
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and said to me, oh, he is pure love, you know, that's what he is, The power he radiates is like something from outer space.
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It's unbelievable. He represented a pillar of a labor of love by hundreds of thousands of people.
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Marcelo Stoduto first arrived at the casa back in 1998, much like the woman Tim just described, to seek treatment for an illness.
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In Marcelo's case, it was to treat his scoliosis. But Marcelo had another reason he wanted to meet Joao, John of God.
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He was very interested in honing his own spiritual gifts. Marcelo ended up staying at the casa to work side by side with Joao as a medium himself,
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and ended up being part of his community for almost two decades. He says the routine at the casa on visiting days was pretty much the same over the years.
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People would congregate in a big central hall that resembles an open-air church,
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where each person is given a number. Depending on whether you're a first-timer, coming for a follow-up visit,
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or requesting a physical surgery, like the scissors up the nose, you're called to a different line.
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The day starts with some announcements. Then everyone recites a series of Christian prayers,
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sometimes in three or four different languages. Marcelo says once people are told to line up,
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there are three main rooms where the treatment takes place. So the first room was the large central room.
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That was where we detoxify the pain and denser energies that everyone brought to that space.
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In this first room, everyone sits and prays, or meditates. Mediums are also sitting in this room meditating,
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mixed in with people who are waiting to see John of God. The goal is to clean everyone's energies,
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so that by the time people see Joao, it will be easier for him to diagnose and treat them.
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So it was if we were going to compare it with a car. The idea was like a car wash.
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The person goes through the first room and receives a heavier cleaning. The music and noises you hear in the background are from a homemade video
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that was filmed in the second room at the Casa. This is where you actually line up to see John of God.
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Tim Elliott, the journalist, stood in that line. There's a massive queue. I'm talking a huge queue that sort of snakes around the whole compound.
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leads into this private room that he has, he sometimes occupies. And you walk along, you shuffle along.
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He sits at the head of this room, surrounded by crystals and followers who sort of usher people toward him as you're walking there.
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All the while, hundreds of people are sitting on either side of you, meditating.
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And they're meant to be sort of harnessing this huge spiritual energy that it's kind of like spiritual base load power that, you know, Zhao can then tap into to perform these incredible, you know, these miraculous deeds that he pulls up.
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So you walk through this room and you can feel, you know, if you have hundreds of people meditating in one room, there is an energy that comes out of that.
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There's no doubt about that. So by the time you meet him, you're susceptible and primed to believe that someone has power, right?
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Sometimes I would walk in that chain of prayers on that line and it seemed like I was just in the sea.
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You know when you're walking through calm waves in the sea? I felt like I was walking in the middle of the waves.
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It was a very good thing. It was a very good feeling. It was peace. Delicious aromas, fresh air, very pleasant music and meditation music,
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like calm religious music. So it was like, it really was a little piece of heaven.
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And all of this is happening before you've even talked to John of God. It's designed to be this way.
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Because according to John of God and other spiritist leaders, your illness is essentially a manifestation of problems with your energy.
00:25:12
So, as a medium, Marcelo says he doesn't treat the illness. He treats what causes the illness.
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Because in a healing work, when it's in fact a spiritual healing work, The idea is not to make people get cured of all their physical ills.
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The idea is to make people come out profoundly more aware of themselves, more spiritualized and transformed in their way of being, feeling and acting with each other.
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And this activates the mechanisms of the person's immune, physical and spiritual system
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and all the first-time visitors have to stand in before they get their moment with John of God.
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But Tim says you can see him while you're waiting. He didn't say a lot. He was a big guy, physically a big guy.
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So he had a presence. Finally, Tim got to the front of the line, and it was his turn to meet Joao for the first time.
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So I got to the head of the room and I think I took his hand briefly and his eyes rolled back into his head and his hand fluttered.
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So at this point, John of God is channeling a spirit or entity, as they're also called.
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As a medium, his gift is to be able to embody these spirits that diagnose and treat people through him.
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So technically, in that moment, he isn't himself. He is the entity. And then you're usher on your way.
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And right, literally, you meet him for, it would have been, I don't know, 10 seconds max.
00:29:13
So in those 10 to 30 seconds, he might send you to meditate or to take a bath in a waterfall they had on the property.
00:29:20
He might send you to the third room. That's where John of God conducts invisible surgeries on a large group of people at the same time,
00:29:28
without ever touching them. If you wanted a physical surgery, you had to request one when you arrived,
00:29:34
and they happened in the middle of the day. But more commonly, John of God would scribble down a prescription for you on a piece of paper,
00:29:42
telling you how many bottles of blessed water or passionflower herbs to buy at a shop on the property.
00:29:49
All the pills were the same, but they were said to be blessed by the spirits to treat your specific problem.
00:29:58
And that's how it goes, person after person. But when Ana Paula meets John of God for the first time, it goes a little differently.
00:30:09
I would pass by the entity, and the medium would give me crystals, give me candles, give me presents and roses.
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Again, when Ana Paula says the entity, she's referring to John of God when he's in a trance.
00:30:23
When she calls him the medium, that's when he's himself, and not channeling a spirit.
00:30:29
She thinks that she and her father were treated differently from the moment they arrived in Abadiana because her father was a well and respected lawyer She could tell people were going above and beyond to make them feel comfortable
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Ana Paula and her father saw John of God many times that year. And her father actually started to get better.
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He was able to swallow again. And with the help of physical therapists, he even started taking a few steps
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after being confined for many months to a wheelchair. So she and her father decided to move to Abadiania full-time for a few months.
00:31:04
Several times I visited John of God, and he would congratulate me on my father. He would ask me to go to his office, and I would always go either with my father's assistant or with my father.
00:31:18
But I never went alone. Until one day, Ana Paula ended up at the casa by herself.
00:31:28
She sat down in the meditation room as usual to pray, and she took off her shoes, as recommended by the community there.
00:31:36
So I was there, barefoot, with my feet on the ground, feeling all that energy, the energy of the place with my eyes closed.
00:31:45
And I felt a hand on my shoulder. When I opened my eyes, it was John of God, and he called me to come to his office.
00:31:56
I've been to his office several times, never alone. He would even close the door, but this time I went alone, and as soon as I entered,
00:32:06
not only he closed it, but he locked it with a key. At that moment, I felt bad. He said that he was going to do healing work for my father.
00:32:22
Ana Paula felt uncomfortable. Something was not right. But she also wanted to believe what he told her,
00:32:31
that this was a special spiritual treatment to heal her father. So she did as she was told.
00:32:39
But what would happen in that room that day was far from the kind of spiritual experience she had hoped for.
00:32:48
No doctor, neurologist, neurosurgeon, no one said they could cure my father. But he said, I'm going to cure your father.
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You don't get it. This is a healing treatment, and it's your energy. And you represent your father.
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And I believed it. How did this happen? How did Joao gain an almost blind trust from his followers?
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In the next episode, we learn how Joao Teixeira de Faria became Joao de Deus, John of God, this almost mythical leader of extreme power and influence.
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He has always been very pleased to be the greatest healer in the world. The vanity is expressed there.
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So very quickly they learned that they had to protect him and protect the possibility of him to cure people you know to run the business It a business And everyone around him knew that they were part of the business
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And then there was a moment that was the crowning of the expansion of the movement, of course,
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when Oprah Winfrey went. Listen to Two-Faced, John of God, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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There you can also find this show en español. Just look for Dos Caras, Juan de Dios.
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Two-Faced, John of God is a production of Exactly Right Media and Adonde Media, hosted and written by myself, Martina Castro.
00:34:35
Our senior producer is Mariano Pachela, reporting and fact-checking by Eloisa Traiano.
00:34:40
Production assistance and research by Giovanna Romano-Sanchez. Sound design by Mauricio Mendoza.
00:34:46
And our mastering engineer is Martin Cruz. Original music was composed by Mariana Romano.
00:34:52
The artwork is by Vanessa Lilac. Ana Paula was interpreted by Giovanna Romano-Sanchez.
00:34:58
And Luciano Miranda by Andres Caballero. For Exactly Right Media, the executive producers are Karen Kilgareff,
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Georgia Hardstark and Danielle Kramer with consulting producer Lily Ladowig and associate
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producer Jay Elias. A special thank you to Michael Baylot for giving us permission to use audio from
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his recordings at the Casa. He recently published a book about his time there called Cult of John,
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